Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Bachelorette Lawsuits, Mormon Wives Move to CA with Zack Peter

91 min
Mar 24, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Heather McDonald and guest Zack Peter discuss the Taylor Frankie Paul domestic violence scandal involving her arrest, the cancellation of her Bachelorette season, and the fallout affecting the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives franchise. The episode covers legal implications, the release of bodycam footage, and the cast's decision to halt filming, alongside broader reality TV industry trends including Vanderpump Rules restaurant sales and Real Housewives casting changes.

Insights
  • Reality TV networks face increasing liability when casting individuals with known legal issues; ABC's decision to cast Taylor despite her probation status and prior domestic violence conviction demonstrates how fame and audience potential can override standard vetting protocols.
  • The strategic release of bodycam footage by Dakota appears designed to prevent the Bachelorette episode from airing rather than seeking justice, highlighting how social media dynamics and personal vendettas can weaponize evidence in domestic disputes.
  • Cast members' collective decision to stop filming demonstrates growing power of ensemble casts to negotiate working conditions and safety standards, forcing networks to address serious allegations rather than proceeding with production.
  • The franchise is shifting from Utah-based Mormon Wives content to Los Angeles-based expansion, suggesting networks are abandoning struggling regional shows in favor of relocating established talent to higher-profile markets.
  • Reality TV's business model is becoming unsustainable for legacy franchises like Vanderpump Rules and Real Housewives, with declining viewership forcing networks to either reimagine formats or accept obsolescence.
Trends
Domestic violence in reality TV: Networks increasingly face scrutiny for casting and retaining talent with documented abuse histories, forcing clearer morality clause enforcementCast power consolidation: Ensemble casts using collective action to halt production and negotiate safety standards, shifting power dynamics from networks to talentFranchise geographic migration: Established reality TV shows relocating from original markets (Utah to LA, Beverly Hills saturation) to find fresh audiences and reduce production costsBodycam footage as weaponization: Evidence from legal proceedings being strategically released to social media to influence public opinion and prevent content from airingReality TV audience fatigue: Declining viewership for legacy franchises (Vanderpump Rules, Real Housewives) despite increased production and cast changes, suggesting format exhaustionCross-platform talent leverage: Reality stars using multiple platforms (TikTok, podcasts, Instagram) to maintain relevance independent of network content, reducing network controlMorality clause litigation: Increasing legal disputes over whether networks can withhold payment based on pre-existing criminal records versus new allegationsMental health disclosure in reality TV: Participants increasingly citing mental health conditions and chemical imbalances as context for abusive behavior, complicating accountability narrativesPatreon/direct-to-fan models: Speculation that reality TV networks should move controversial content to subscription platforms to bypass broadcast standardsCelebrity entourage dynamics: Security and staff behavior reflecting celebrity preferences without explicit instruction, creating plausible deniability for problematic conduct
Topics
Domestic Violence in Reality TV ProductionBachelorette Franchise Cancellation and Legal LiabilityBodycam Footage Release and Evidence WeaponizationReality TV Cast Collective Bargaining and Production HaltsMorality Clause Enforcement and Breach of Contract DisputesSecret Lives of Mormon Wives Franchise RelocationReal Housewives of Beverly Hills Casting and Viewership DeclineVanderpump Rules Restaurant Sales and Brand ObsolescenceReality TV Mental Health Disclosure and AccountabilityCelebrity Security and Entourage Conduct ManagementReal Housewives of Salt Lake City Reboot StrategyBachelor in Paradise Contingency PlanningReality TV Cross-Platform Talent StrategyOzempic and Body Image in Celebrity CultureNetflix Reality Content ROI and Cancellations
Companies
ABC/Disney
Network that cast Taylor Frankie Paul as Bachelorette despite her probation status; cancelled the season after bodyca...
Hulu
Streaming home of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives; cast halted filming due to Taylor's domestic violence allegations and...
Bravo
Network producing Real Housewives franchises experiencing declining viewership; attempting reimagined casts and cross...
Netflix
Meghan Markle's production deal reportedly resulted in millions in losses with no return on investment for the Archew...
TMZ
Received and published bodycam footage of Taylor Frankie Paul's domestic violence incident, triggering the scandal an...
Peacock
Streaming platform hosting Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with extended episode counts; part of NBC/Comcast ecosystem.
Ladder
Fitness coaching app with AI-powered personalized training plans; sponsored the episode with free trial offer.
Quince
Direct-to-consumer clothing brand emphasizing quality and ethical manufacturing; offered free shipping and extended r...
Nutraful
Hair growth supplement brand; offered 10% discount and free shipping to podcast listeners.
Shopify
E-commerce platform for small business operations; promoted as all-in-one solution for inventory, payments, and analy...
What Not
Live shopping app featuring real-time product demonstrations and deals; offered free shipping on first orders.
Advantage Chewable
Pet flea and tick prevention product; advertised as monthly chewable tablet alternative to traditional treatments.
People
Heather McDonald
Host of the podcast discussing reality TV scandals, legal issues, and industry trends with guest Zack Peter.
Zack Peter
Guest discussing Taylor Frankie Paul scandal, Mormon Wives franchise changes, and reality TV industry dynamics.
Taylor Frankie Paul
Central figure in domestic violence scandal; arrested for assaulting baby daddy Dakota; cast as Bachelorette then can...
Dakota
Taylor's ex-partner; released bodycam footage of domestic violence incident; obtained restraining order and custody r...
Whitney Leavitt
Cast member who moved to New York for Broadway performance; only franchise member with standalone audience appeal.
Jude Law
Mentioned for having seven children with four different women; discussed as example of celebrity relationship patterns.
Charli XCX
Discussed for alleged rude treatment of fan's daughter at Brazilian hotel; security incident sparked social media con...
Justin Timberlake
DUI arrest bodycam footage released; negotiated redaction of certain footage portions before public release.
Lisa Vanderpump
Listing Tom Tom restaurant for sale; pivoting to Vegas-based ventures; franchise losing cultural relevance.
Kyle Richards
Cast member of RHOBH; discussed in context of franchise viewership decline and casting changes.
Garcelle Beauvais
Discussed in context of RHOBH cast dynamics and franchise changes.
Dorit Kemsley
Cast member involved in Italy filming drama; accused of leaving cast stranded.
Durrett
New cast member on RHOBH; criticized for chronic lateness affecting production schedule.
Ramona Singer
Discussed celebrating with cast in Palm Beach; franchise revival showing promise with original cast.
Dorinda Medley
Reuniting with original RHONY cast for Palm Beach-based Golden Wives revival.
Sonja Morgan
Part of original RHONY cast reuniting for Golden Wives revival in Palm Beach.
Kelly Dodd
Participating in Golden Wives revival with original RHONY cast members.
Lizzo
Released music video featuring AI-generated version of herself; discussed weight loss and body image transformation.
Kelly Osbourne
Engagement to Cid Wilson ended allegedly due to her dramatic weight loss; discussed celebrity body transformation tre...
Meghan Markle
Netflix production deal reportedly resulted in millions in losses; content failed to attract viewership.
Quotes
"She was throwing metal little bar stools that would be on like a kitchen island. Yeah. She was playing wack-a-mole with him."
Heather McDonaldEarly in episode
"I predict they will not air this. There's just no way."
Heather McDonaldDiscussing Bachelorette cancellation prediction
"There's no playbook to what she's going through. She didn't say the n-word. No one retrieved an old tweet."
Zack PeterDiscussing Taylor's response to scandal
"If you're not in a mood to be out in public and you're just not in a mood then don't go out because if you're a bitch, we will know about it."
Heather McDonaldDiscussing Charli XCX hotel incident
"I think housewives is dying. I think it'll be done in a few years. I think it's just kind of growing obsolete."
Heather McDonaldDiscussing Real Housewives franchise decline
Full Transcript
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So of course, we all know what has happened with Taylor Frankie Paul from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. She was the bachelorette. They had filmed the whole season. It was supposed to air this Sunday. Then the, she got in a wicked fight with her baby daddy, number two, Dakota, which came out a cup a week or half ago. It was an incident that happened February 24th. It started to bubble up. Oh my God, what is it? Then they stopped filming on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. We were like, wow, like did some other physical thing happen? Yeah. Then, I'm just catching everyone up. Then TMZ received the video on Thursday of her incident that did get her arrested. It was a felony, which then I think was downgraded to a misdemeanor. We know and had ever seen this video of when she was physically attacking Dakota baby daddy, number two. She was throwing metal little bar stools that would be on like a kitchen island. Yeah. She was playing wack-a-mole with him. I mean, he was like dodging. He was like the Matrix dodging the bullets. He's got his phone on. He's filming it. In throwing the second chair that we saw, it hit her daughter who appeared to be off the camera, but on a couch. In the report, it does say that the little girl had a goose egg on her head. And we knew all about that. That is how the series began. Yeah. That was the opening scene of, you know, that she was arrested. They go on to have sex, not have sex, be together, be jealous, be cheating, da, da, da, da. And I mean, I'm watching the show and she has already agreed to be on The Bachelorette. Yeah. In around episode four of season four. She also meets this cute guy on TikTok that she picks up. By the way, I just thought that was, like, there is something weird. You're picking up a guy you've never met before. You're also filming a show. Yeah. And like she had not a speckle of makeup on, not that she needs a lot. But she's wearing like baggy sweats and like an ill-fitting t-shirt. That's her style. I know. It's kind of interesting. I'm not into that style. But it's kind of interesting. I mean, I guess. I don't even know if she was really into the dude or it was just for the cloud and the TikTok and the story. Yeah. But yeah, it's. So then she brings, so then she finds out that he slept with somebody while the dad talk people went and did a episode of the new villa that's coming out where they're in England. And she gets on the phone with him and she's screaming at him and she's crying and she's like, did you finish? Did you come? Did you? And then later on, she's in another episode, she's telling the girls, I like to hear it. I, it turns me on to hear all the different positions you put the girl in and I'm like, what sick? So then that's what they choose for the bachelorette. Yeah. And they do it. And I'm like, once I saw the video I did, I put out an Instagram and TikTok video where I was like, I predict they will not air this. There's just no way. And later in the day, they said, we're not airing it. They, there's video of them guys climbing up in Hollywood and taking down the sign of her. And so much else has come out. I mean, what was your initial thought? And we'll just walk through all the news articles. Yeah. I think people are getting confused because they're like, well, this was 2023. This happened a long time ago. We heard about it. We saw it on the show, but it's the fact that there are new allegations that came out. So it was the, and it was actually two nights that she had allegedly assaulted him. It was the 23rd and the 24th. Okay. What do you know about that? So I, I'm assuming it had to do with custody of their son ever and like transfer of custody of like, okay, it's your turn or whatever. I don't know if they were sleeping together or back together or whatever, but they had contact and it was, I believe the 23rd that they first got into a fight. He then allegedly tried to call the cops. She told him, no, no, no, I'm so sorry. I love you. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. But as of right now there there hasn't been an arrest or any charges that have been filed She's still currently on probation from 2023. So there were multiple charges that were brought against her back in 2023 for that incident Mm-hmm, and then They she took a plea agreement So she took a plea deal to reduce it from a felony to a misdemeanor contingent on her Completing her probation which was supposed to be lifted this August So she was so close to being off probation had she just continued good behavior But that's why I think ABC moved forward with her because she's on probation, but she was able to film in La for all those months. I always thought probation kind of meant you had to kind of stay in the air But maybe not well, I think I'm thinking of house I think it depends on the actual crime and what your probation terms are Whereas her she can argue that work takes her into different states. Yeah, but so ABC. Yes was aware of all this But I think her team went to ABC and was like she's on probation She's not gonna do she hasn't done anything the last two and a half years She's not gonna do anything to jeopardize losing her kids or violating her probation Because then it goes back to a felony if she doesn't complete her probation Which was set to be up in August the whole season would have aired and everything and all she had to do was just stay with you know not abusing anybody Allegedly until August, but I mean whatever happened between the two of them and their toxic cycle clearly she Did it again and so that's what then so it was news of her Assaulting him again, and then I guess the wives the other Mormon wives They then told Hulu were not filming anymore Whatever the details that they heard from that incident were and it did happen in front of their son ever Similar to like what happened in 2023 in front of her daughter this time It was in front of the Sun and so the other wives are like we don't want to film right now until they figure out What's happening with the two of them if there's gonna be an arrest if they're gonna be charges So they all called and and I think they had a meeting with the Disney executives and said we're not filming until this gets resolved Well, that's what then prompted everybody to dig up the 2023 arrest and recirculate all of that So of course everybody was like you know that our team Taylor is like Dakota is a narcissist He's also this thing called Darvo, which is like Deflect attack, I don't know what all the words mean But like basically it's you know how to push your buttons Yeah, and I just that really pissed me off because I feel that's very gender-bias. Yeah, if a woman You know is in a domestic violence situation You know what because you told your husband get a job you deserve to be hit Yeah, you know like what are you talking about? You know what and so what did he filmed it? Do you know that Nicole Brown Simpson had those? Polaroids of her abuse that she put in a safety deposit pot because she was like I'm too scared to tell anybody now Yeah, but maybe one day so the fact that he if he did release it to a friend Yeah, TMZ or whatever and he decided then to do it. It wasn't just shine. I don't think you can think he's piece of shit I don't think it was I I'm jealous that she slept with 24 men or whatever he thinks I know I don't want I wanted this to ruin her Reputation I think what happened was the incident on the 23rd and the 24th happened and he was You know, he's thirsty. This is his job. He's reading all of it and people were still Defending her and going after him. He knows how to push her buttons. He's awful. He's making her crazy Da-da-da and I think because of that. Yeah, he was like it's time somehow This video gets out either he gave his friend now the friend wrote something saying we did not give it to TMZ Yeah, but there's a TMZ watermark on it meaning unlike the footage they have which we'll get into about Justin Timberlake Yeah, that they don't own that of Justin Timberlake being pulled over correct technically they own this now So that tells me someone gave it to them gave them the rights to it. Yeah, maybe there's some money exchanged And if he did I don't know he's I don't know You know, I'm other women would probably do the same in that position. I think it's unfair to judge I think it's it's strange that people are judging the release of the footage more than they're judging the behavior on the footage That's my issue because everybody that's defending Taylor and I get it They have their theories and their speculation of like well, we don't know what he did beforehand and we don't know which oh Like oh remember P. Diddy puff daddy said it Cassie accused him of cheating and took all of his clothes and that's why he had to go in the hallway with just a towel on and Beat the shit out of her to get his bag of clothes. Yeah, that's what she allegedly did before So do we think that she deserved that? You know like who cares if it of what he said or did before She was it wasn't one time. Yeah, he was stop stop stop and she would not stop Yeah, she would not calm down and even when the daughter Cry yeah, she wasn't like oh my god. I didn't even know my daughter was in the room with the fuck is wrong I think she wasn't she didn't tend to the daughter. She didn't say I'm sorry baby. She didn't call the cops She didn't call a doctor. She didn't get an ice pack She was in this rage and whether that rage can be helped with you know mental facilities or drugs or whatever she needs to do but The thing like are you kidding me with that? Well, not only that but every I get everyone has their like theories about what he could have done or whatever But just sticking to the facts of what happened that night because we have video evidence of it We have body cam footage of them that night and they're telling of what happened that night And yes, she does say that he pushed her he pushed her into some toys or at some point in the night But there was a police investigation There were there was an arrest there were charges and she Before a judge pleaded guilty to doing this and not only that but has since gone on several other podcast interviews Talking about it and saying I was the I was the aggressor and the evidence showed that in court Those are things that she has admitted so even if you want to ignore what the with the video shows and the objective evidence of what actually happened that night but then Hashtag believe women believe her when she says I'm guilty and I'm the aggressor right? She does say this on this one particular podcast that That this person puts together cats chat She says as we know I was trying to attack him and I assaulted him End of quote next quote There was enough evidence there that I was like the aggressor and I was Like yeah, I was she also says she also went on Another podcast sitting there crying explaining on all saying it's not like I you know It's not like It was all him like I was guilty of it like she very and I think that's why people do love her because She does she tells everything she is honest and vulnerable and everything and So they knew all this I mean When you go on one of these shows whether you're going to be the host a contestant or the bachelor bachelorette They look into everything and this one guy said they found a time that I got a jaywalking ticket in college going to a bar You know, certainly there's been times where Producers have missed something whether it's a 90-day fiance person something and they're like, oh my god We realized his former girlfriend had a restraining order against him. So they make sure there's none of that But she's such a commodity Bringing the new audience of secret wives of Mormon wives lives to it all the Her demographic her, you know, no other bachelor. It was going to bring eight million You know followers and all this other stuff. So they obviously I don't think they ever saw this video because he had it Yeah, so they did go off of the reports and then it was doubted and listen when we watched it I didn't think that she was throwing Chairs not to that degree. I thought I thought they got in a wicked fight. They may be through some stuff at each other and You know, that's really bad and then and the daughter somehow was present I never thought it was that and I mean this happens with men, you know, and it's like an nfl player gets accused of You know gets arrested for hitting his wife or whatever and he gets You know, there's been cases. Okay, you can't play in the next two games and then the video comes out Yeah, where you're throwing her across a room with a baby in the corner and it's like a rag doll Well, guess what now you're not playing anymore. You know, it's like video. You just can't Deny it, but I'm I'm like, you know, now there's so much going on with This this girl this was like on like thursday night of friday her names jay the fade and she said I don't think they even shot the bachelor. They did shoot the bachelor bachelor at She was kind of like there was a time where everyone was going crazy and she was like I don't even know because they were showing some of the Some of the the dates and stuff that she actually did go on Yeah, they filmed it. Yeah, like she went and went to a football game with her guy one of her dates And you know, they did a chip and nails thing in las vegas And then she picked a guy and then she picked this guy dug Who is And now he's like a singer. He's a singer Our friend Unpopular Jacques he He posted that, you know uh he Obviously he they got engaged He like wished her well before the video came out. He's like, oh, I wish her well and then They obviously broke up. Yeah, I think they broke up like a month after filming And then I was in the airport because I was on my way to salt lake city this weekend I mean the blessings that I got to be doing stand-up in salt lake city four shows, which was so fun Thank you for everybody who came I'm to be able to like talk about this on stage as it was happening um Because it just was so juicy, but I saw this use the cover of us weekly Now I have not bought a magazine in years. It was 7.99 and only 60 pages Wow, that's expensive. I remember they mean like 4.99. Anyway, I bought it. Okay, and I read it And obviously this was an interview that she did probably over the phone prior to this scandal And she's They all knew like everybody there one of her questions was They said, oh you talk about your mental health a lot. How is that and she goes? Yeah, it's like a chemical imbalance thing and it doesn't have to do with anything that's going on It can just happen and that's the hard part about it So I was like, oh my god And then there was another part how to you know, are you in love now or something? She's like or someone they ask and she's like, well, let's just say it ends in a very tailor way So, you know that she's not with the guy and then she's back with the coda and then she's fighting with the coda and I thought it was amazing and I don't have the quote here But the first quote that she did after the video came out Where she was like, thank you. I'm not going to stay silent any longer women in my position need to know what it's like When you're dealing with a narcissist and blah blah blah. I'm like silent You've been on tiktok for five years. You have the biggest platform. You've told everything. Yeah, you have not you've done multiple guests Spots on podcasts telling your story. You've never remained silent ever so now Like some quiet victim that's been not telling on dakota like you just saw it But that's what people actually appreciated and liked about taylor frankie paul is she was so open and honest and transparent And she did take accountability She downplayed a lot of the details when you look back at some of those interviews now and her and the mom are like My daughter was never injured and like you can clearly see the chair hits a little girl Like the chair flies in the girl's direction and then she started screaming crying right after that Or they're like, oh the charges were dropped But it's like some of the charges were dropped, but it's because you took a plea deal so they're they downplayed some of the The claims but she does take accountability Which is why it was so jarring when she then issued that statement where she's suddenly a victim who's like not going to be silent anymore It's like you're right. She's never been silent and she's never owned the victim narrative She's constantly referred to herself as the aggressor and again. She pleaded guilty before a judge. She's on probation so it just to me It's conflicting and nobody likes when you lean into the victim hood narrative After we see the footage of what actually happened and I think a lot of people including the Mormon wives I think they all knew details because some people are like, oh well if you watch episode one season one you'll see Whitney says something about throwing chairs and how we're not all like that and And she does make a comment because they address the scandal, but I'm like, I don't think the girl I think the girls knew the details the same way like we kind of knew details But I don't think any of them saw that footage until recently. I think that had been buried in evidence for a long time There is a scene with Demi Talking to her and she's like, oh, yes Why don't you stop hurting people and she's like what and she's like, you know exactly what I'm talking about talk to Dakota So it's like kind of putting it out there um you know it reminded me of the season of real half-horses of Beverly Hills when Camille Grammer Says to Taylor your husband hits you and now we've said it. Yeah, and I always feel like Camille saved Taylor's life. Yeah She put it out there It forced Taylor to face it to get divorced Yeah, and kept her away from him when he got to a place where he ended his own life Yeah, who knows if she would have stayed with him And I'm not saying that's what Taylor is, you know capable of but Sharing it and telling it and putting it out there is the right thing to do because it's like And I get why the bachelor corporate people bachelor at were like You know excited about this. Yeah, you know It makes for a horrible potential Mate someone that has her background makes her life on social media was a swinger has Three kids and two baby daddies and she's not even 30 yet You know all of it, but it makes for great tv And that's what it is. We all know it's for great tv It's not are you here for the right reason none of nobody's there for the right reasons One of the things when it comes to exercise that I am focusing on right now is muscle building muscle Maintaining it and that comes with strength training But I really didn't know what kind of exercise is to do And I also get bored and that is why I'm so excited that I found ladder. 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I don't even know how you 150 150 150 total Oh, and this is all one night. Yeah, that was just back to back in that. Do we know what day this was? No I'm guessing this must have been Something that involved that he was like I am going to show the video or something Because her other her husband Who has she has a two kids with yeah, he said I never saw that video I if I had it would have changed everything He since has gone to the court and gotten a restraining order and asking for full child support dakota has ever their child together the two-year-old boy and I think Tell like hearing comes april 7th. She can't see him at all until april 7th And you know, but he's posting videos of him being dad of the year And it's like dude. Yeah, just stop Just you don't need to prove that you can make your son laugh Like let the kid just be with you like he doesn't need a camera shoved in his face a phone While he's not seeing his mom like Yeah, and like He's not a great guy. Dakota is done a number of terrible awful things on the show We've seen his pattern of behavior, but like right now. What are all the awful things just cheating? Yeah, he's like cheat and you can see like when they argue like he he he does know how to antagonize her And he does know what buttons to push to get her fired up because I think that like turns him on I think they get turned on by how feisty they can make each other get Um, and so and we've seen this toxic pattern of behavior and he's a womanizer and he lies and he slept with the mom's friend And like he's done all yeah, he's done. He's not Also, they end up in bed together and the cameras catching right before she's about to do the bachelor Yeah, and then supposedly then she comes back from doing the bachelor where she was engaged And then what I think happened is she got with him because you know you have these the other thing about it There was photos of she meeting with Doug Before they canceled it all together. Yeah, and That is very suspicious to me on the networked part because in the past It is so unlocking key who won whatever that they go to some secret air b&b Maybe once or twice during the time so that they can spend time together And I remember there was one bachelorette or bachelor where They like broke up or something while they were at this like air b&b and they like had to bring in the cameras and it was just like Of what happened and it was juicy But anyway, they cannot be seen out together at all and the fact that somebody caught them hanging out I just thought they were like I don't know what their plan was but they the network was obviously scrambling to either Keep our interest still run it. I don't know but normally in the history of All of the bachelor bachelorettes no one's ever caught the winner and the person together prior to the show airing ever Well, also you have to factor and nobody's ever Held the position of bachelor bachelorette that like the public has cared about where she's the first like famous Person to hold that that could be more believable that the paparazzi may catch her even though I don't think many paparazzi are following taylor frankie paul in utah, but um They are now they are now they are yeah, I um So I thought that was really interesting of now of course, uh people are saying um The bachelor up men are being considered for the bachelor in paradise That's what they told them and they had a big zoom call when they said interesting. We have something to tell you It's now we're gonna air and but Stay nice. Yeah, because you might be get to go on bachelor in paradise. You're just on pause could go I mean all these guys obviously You know, they went to go Be thirst buckets. Yeah, they went to go have a part of the other thing that said in that us weekly magazine is that You know, normally when we watch the bachelor in matriarch, it's always like well You live in north carolina and I live in california, but I've always wanted to be a southern girl, you know That's a few and I are dating and there's the talk of like well Where would you live and sometimes they break up because they can't decide on a place to live? Yeah In this article she tells the reporter of us weekly all the men knew That if they ended with me They 100 have to move to utah because I have three kids and two baby daddies So all of these guys knew the end result was to go to utah And get on dad talk Yeah, and be on secret lives more and wise and start their supplement company and launch their album their ep Their ep and also their personal training stuff. Yeah, whatever it is whatever they're into doing Having a detailed car business. I don't know but that's what they were going to do and so The thought is okay. Well, maybe we'll use you for something else, but then The bachelorettes uh devon straiter and sam m are beefing him and taylor frankies paul fallout I don't know. I guess we're fighting about something, but I also people are like are are they getting ready? Could they sue well? There was a report that there are I think five guys that are banding together that are considering suing abc for a toxic work environment and then there was a report that She's trying to sue or she's considering what option she has to sue the network for because How these shows typically work for somebody in taylor's position, right? Where they I'm sure promised her a chunk of money for doing the show But they usually give you a piece in advance and then they give you the remainder after the show airs Because like when there's a cash prize um For a show like you typically don't get paid out until after the show airs um so I'm Assuming and we heard the abc was probably going to sue her for breach of contract for violating her morality clause But now there was a report that came out that says her team is fighting back against that saying that she didn't violate her morality clause because All of the the video included even though nobody had ever seen the video All of the details about the contents of the video were publicly accessible There was no skeleton in the clause that there was no nothing that she had hidden from the network Like they had already known about all this domestic violence again in february would violate it Yes, but their argument to that is those are currently being that there's no charge right and there's no arrest They're unsubstantiated claims that they pulled the show too early because she's claiming that he was the one that was abusing her Well, I mean, I think they have the right to pull the show no matter what She should get her full payment. No matter what they hired her. She took that time away from her family um, you know because our kids come first, right? Uh, and So there I don't think there's any claim there. I don't think there's any claim for the mend Who are on it because the whole point was You to find love. Yeah If you were there for the right reasons you didn't find love. What do you care if it never airs or not? You know, of course they were there. No, they're suing for Toxic work environment because they're saying that their safety was jeopardized by allowing her to be on the set with them Not because they couldn't get their extra hundred thousand followers and get a um, but I I think that this could be the real, you know, reality reckoning that bethany frankel was trying to get us to buy into because That too. Yeah, because I mean look at what happened to ultimate girls trip and look at what's happening to housewives right now With the lea mix we need lawsuit in the caroline manzo lawsuit and the lea mix we need lawsuit is about to get real juicy Now that it's moving into discovery and now like all the Blake and taylor text messages the andico and text messages are coming next That's now that he's a defendant in this All that discovery is going to get pulled out and if he we thought you know the andico and diaries was juicy We're going to get to See emails and text messages Because that it's all going to be hashed out in public. So that'll hit the wonder which housewife will be redacted Real blackmark and you'll be able to see wait, how long is that name? You know Um, no it'd be like new york out, right? Uh, right. Yeah It's like they're the footage that you know, we wanted people are like, please I would die to see this footage of the show There's also reports that it actually was a boring season Morocco no no bachelorette. Oh bachelorette. Yes. I've heard that too But then I saw an interview with uh, the host jesse prior to it being counsel prior to the scandal And he was like well, this is she's like no other bachelorette we've ever had because she's an experienced reality star But also she doesn't really know how the show works because she wasn't a contestant that came from it And I mean they promoted it to be she doesn't take any crap And then she's like, I'm not giving anyone a rose. Oh, I'm pissed at him and you know, so she Was playing it up and I think you know people were gonna watch and people would have watched and I think they waited until the final Hour, I mean they literally they were good had the video not come out. Yeah, it was gonna air So that's why some people think maybe dakota knew that I have to put it out because I don't want this to air because maybe Which could make sense Maybe she even talked more poorly about him on this show that we would have seen, you know, as she's opening up to A guy, you know, maybe she maybe who was afraid she was gonna say I was an abusive relationship and you know, he hit me or whatever she was gonna say And he didn't want that shut down, but it got out there And it's amazing that you know, people are like, oh, you're um still on your phone and she's still posting and she's dancing She's still like, oh, yeah, oh been through this before and she's like doing these dances and I'm like I don't know. I'm like in first. I was fascinated and I'm like, you know, there's no playbook To what she's going through. Sure. She didn't say the n-word. No she like while singing a song No one retrieved an old tweet. Yeah, it wasn't anything like that. It It's domestic abuse abuse on a that a woman did we've seen it with men. Yeah So it's like she's like The damage is done I'm gonna keep being famous and I'm gonna keep going and I'm gonna just keep being me and Yeah, she's not saying sorry and I don't know. Maybe that is the right thing for her to do. It's not what I would do I mean, but listen, she's got the internet in a chokehold. I mean all the people that are online right now Defending her and being you know, rah-rah for taylor like it's Wild especially because her new victim narrative really contradicts the accountability she took for this before right and even like people are like Well, dakota was just filming that so that he could get back at her and ruin her life And it's like you have to remember this was 2023 This is before secret lives of Mormon wives was even a thing like they weren't even officially filming production Like she wasn't the bachelor. He wasn't filming it because she was famous on hulu She was just some girl on tick tock that like he didn't think that this was gonna blow up She didn't have the fame that she has now She didn't have much fame back then aside from being a niche little tick tock dancer. I mean to throw a mom talk She was an ensemble a metal Like look you can see one right there a metal. Yeah bar stool that three of them that that thing could like hit you in the eye It's not I don't know how you could prove it's not like what did he say before Throw some of those bar stools at me and see if you can hit me a dumb bitch I mean, what are you saying like it wasn't it if she was even just kidding him like just Hit trying to slap his face or wrestling with him and he was holding a wrist I think we'd be like, okay, maybe yeah, that'd be someone understandable It's the actual picking up of the items of a furniture It's like she threw like what three chairs I mean I think she I don't think tv is ever gonna water, but you know what things go so quickly. Yeah, I mean gypsy rosely Gypsy rose lantern got a tv show. I well, did you see her? She's on tiktok down. She was she made a joke about killing her mom Yeah, I saw that that that was crazy So now we get into Is abc going to cancel taylor freaky paul's season of the bachelor if they're going to which they did hulu Should do the same for dakota when he went on the van or prom villa There's no evidence of him beating anybody up. I say no, I mean we've already they've already hulu disney has already lost the bachelor There's no reason why they wouldn't show that episode and that show The villa needs that boost. So they're like no, we're gonna show the dog the dad talk people coming There's no evidence of him being physically abusive to anybody. Like there's no reason they would pull Like his behavior is the same behavior. Everybody's been watching on secret lives and Mormon wives for the last four seasons Yeah, so there's nothing that he has done recently now if it comes out that there's evidence that he was physically abusive towards her on that February 23rd 24th, you know those two incidents and that does change things But like there's no evidence to support that yeah and then um So Then jesse who's the girl who does the huge hair empire? She has this awful husband named jordan And they've had a lot of issues in their marriage. He has filed for divorce She already The story is that she was going to do it anyway and then he beat her to it But then you said that he just filed for a restraining order against her Yeah, so he filed for divorce and then filed for a temporary restraining order She filed to oppose it, but I don't think a judge has made a decision on it as of yet So that's a big mess. I don't think dad talk can survive this No, dad talk was already falling apart this season dad talk was already on its last leg. It's done and then uh secret lives updates let us know that zack aflac who is married to um, gen aflac who is One of the girls on mom talk who did dancing with stars. They have three kids They have moved to the new port beach area I think so has mackayla She's moving to la and then who else is there? They they were already we already saw um them looking to cast Mormon wives That live in southern california. Yeah, they wanted to do so kellen nashville. Yes And so I think that they found a couple girls And then this let's get the fuck out of utah Let's this way we have a clean break from dakota and from Taylor and we'll take the top girls that are willing to move Bring them to la which they they love and they want to be here And we'll bring in three or four other girls That are already established warmans in new port that are thirst buckets too. Yeah, and then together we have a new show Yeah, it was well. This was before all of before taylor even got the bachelorette It was I think going to be gen Whitney and demi that were supposed to be the stars of this news new one And then obviously demi fell apart with the group and like she's off doing she's like singing her and her husband They're putting an album out together. I like your true colors shining through It was so cringe and like nobody knew why they were singing like there was no context to the scene Tom santa vol To me the most extras this is our basically it's scant of all. Yeah as far as the As far as the frenzy of talking about it. Yeah, um in our zeitgeist of life but totally different And way sadder and darker. Yeah because it involved abuse and a child and Uh these poor kids. I mean just like yeah the poor kids like not only is your whole life Is being on tv and on tech talk and phones in your face and your whole life And that's what pays for your family and everything but then You know your multiple men in your life and and they're fighting with you and you're all And the little girl in that article said she wrote me a note I hope you find your person mommy while she's on their bachelorette another person. We've already had she's already had two people Yeah, now a third one. I'm just like obviously She wasn't gonna turn down an opportunity to be on the bachelor right but like the last thing this girl needs to do Is date and find a new love. Yeah the last thing like If she really wanted to get her shit together, she should be like i'm not dating a soul for like two years Let's be real everybody wants Thicker healthier shinier hair Sometimes when we age our hair goes through changes too. 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She does sound baths now Yeah, so listen she's living her life but for her she's like engaged She's someone that she did that, you know, bethany made her do a podcast and she got rid of the podcast She found literally a rocket scientist that she's engaged to she does her sound bath thing She's still on social media, but like she really Really Removed herself, but what's also good about her situation is the show she was on also went away. Yeah, it all It all went away. So it's like it's kind of an easier break. I think now I don't think I don't know how they move this has to be the last season of the salt lake city version I think it is and I think they scrape that's why they stop filming because they're like, let's cut our losses Yeah, let's stop paying all the cameraman Let's have them get rid of their apartments Producers wanted the show to keep filming, but it was the cast that said we're not filming anymore, right? And now I think that's why they're like, okay. Well, let's just move everything to la which we need more filming in la So I'm okay with it. Yes, southern california But I don't know if this cast outside of taylor and whitney like if they want to save the franchise They need to build a show around whitney levit in new york because she was supposed to be part of this la spin-off with Jen and demi and then demi fell off from the group and then whitney got Roxy hard and so she moved to new york, but she moved her whole family there because it's become a more permanent one Does that end? Oh, it's they just extended it And so because she like broke box office records in like the last 29 years she's had sold out shows non-stop And so she's like and listen if anybody can save that franchise It's whitney even though she's had her own like problem. Remember she was like dancing in the n i c Yeah, yeah, that was that had she not danced to her child in the nikkyu And and taylor not admitting to sucking her best friend's husband's dick. Yeah, no, she would not be dancing I mean, she's good, but i'm saying no one would have known about her. I mean, it's like oh, oh She's a good dancer Whitney's a good dancer and you know and whitney and you know, she had a she she can do it I mean, but a lot of people can do that role. I'm sorry to say Yeah, I mean a lot of people have done the role the role is about a girl who wants to be famous So they always like to pick a reality star somebody who's thirsty, but she definitely has executed it But the the reason she's selling out is because every all these young girls watch the show And so they want to see when they do their fun trip with their mom to new york That's the show they want to see yeah So and I don't think there's a lot of Mormons in uh new york city that she can do her own version of that or whatever But I mean it could just be a show anchored around her and her family. I feel like sorry. I don't think there's enough there I wouldn't watch it I would just say of all of the cast members. She's the only one That can pull an audience. Nobody wants to watch gen aflech Nobody wants to watch macaela and her skin issues like nobody wants to watch and she's now getting divorce And she just posted a thing about like is she getting divorced or not? She's like teasing her this morning. She posted a video about I'm getting divorced What it means because I'm really in love with talk about not my husband So she's teasing the fact that they've had marital issues and their marital issues are weirdly sad Because she met him when she was 16 and he was 21. Yeah, and so you wonder like And then she's like, oh, I don't always feel sexy. So you wonder if there are there in a weird religious thing Or like she their women are sort of taught to never turn their husband down sexually and I mean, it's just yeah, I agree I don't think I don't think any of them can hold the show Without taylor and whitney Yeah, but I think for whitney Just fine. I I don't need to see her daily life of doing the same show every night With the three kids it can be like secret lives off broadway Secret lives of broadway wives Yeah, maybe maybe but maybe should i get tired of doing the play too like after like Six months, she might be like i'm ready to go to la and join you guys Which I think at any time she could just like I do think taylor could providing the show Is doing well or it's not doing that well and needs a boost they would welcome them back whitney is going to be ariana She's like fuck you guys. I'm never talking to any of you ever again And she's moving on with her life like she doesn't want to fuck with any of these girls Yeah, that's why she's like she she thought she was better than them from the beginning and now she can really be like Screw this i'm out. She's not going to come to la and and film a scene with gen like poor gen can't even hold a scene Yeah, so then we finally we got the video switching gears to justin timberlake Bye bye bye. No, is that the world tour? Yeah, that's his song. I always get the tim in the back side and sexy back So he was got a d.y. Last year or two years ago And he fought to get the cam footage being released, but somehow it was released He agreed to release it as long as they redacted parts of it So there were pieces of the footage that did not get released to the public and that was the agreement he made Why does he have to agree to it because he was suing them He was trying to block it He was suing them to prevent them from releasing it and then they came to an agreement where they settled and he said Okay, as long as you cut these parts out you can leave the rest of the parts in so he gets arrested and I mean of all that of all the celebrities who have been arrested for a d.y. Very nice Like he was great. He was not bad. He wasn't re's witherspoon. He didn't want to go. Yeah, he wasn't like, do you know who I am? And that wasn't even Reese witherspoon. It was her husband who got arrested and she was the yappity wife making it worse and I mean she's since divorced that guy. So we forgive her but anyway um Yeah, we've seen a lot worse d.y. Cam footage and then he had this like friend with him this female friend who I think is Probably just like an assistant or something and she was the star of the show because she's just like What stop you can't come on officer You got to tell me you love his music and start singing it. Yeah She's like do me a favor just because you love bye bye bye and and say sexy back and then he's like and then the cop is like, um Yeah, you okay to drive home. She's like what? Yeah And I'm like, I don't think she is and then he goes have you had anything to drink? She goes, oh like a glass of wine and he's like, yeah, you seem fine. I'm like, I don't think I don't think she was fine at all She looked lit herself Oh my god. So this okay. So years ago. I'm like at the the comedy story the improv or something and I'm hanging out with this comic. I mean he kind of liked me whatever We're driving home and he gets pulled over and he gets arrested for a d.y And he was driving me home And we weren't gonna do anything. He didn't know that but I just wanted to ride this is before uber You know, it's like hard to get a ride home and I was like so then I I did not ask to drive the car home. I didn't I'm like I barely knew this guy. He got arrested I Somehow I guess got a cab back in those days and went home My sister kind of helped because she was a criminal defense attorney, but he was he was so pissed. He was like, it's all because of you I have no idea who he was never made it or anything But he was like basically blaming me like if I wouldn't have been driving you home. I'm like dude like whatever but It's a pretty awful that but but it was just like that like if I tried to go wait, hold on. Let me get there like ma'am Step back. You could not talk to him. You could not and I was like So I think I almost want to say they I think they drove me to the police station They left the car there They drove me to the police station and then I think my sister then picked me up or something and then the next day he got out hated me and I don't know what happened to you in his comedy career I don't know but it's like the dy was the scandal that ended his career. Yeah. So I thought that was I don't think it's gonna hurt him at all. No, I mean he was he was very I mean, he's lit. He's totally lit. He's high I think he may have like taken a gummy or something because he he said he only had one martini And she only had one glass of wine, but they both look pretty blitz and more importantly sunburned. Yeah when you You were sunburned And you've been drinking all day. It just does not help. It's like your eye. Yeah, your eyes are bloodshot matching your burned face It's a beautiful day in sag harbor like I mean it wasn't good I want to talk about this so chaperone so there's Jude law they brought up jude law because it's one of his Children he has seven kids with four different women And then I looked up wait, who did he cheat with the nanny? He cheated so he was engaged to sienna miller There was a nanny for his first or second wife That nanny he cheated with Sienna broke up with them and they got back together then they got never got married But anyway, he has seven kids with four different women. So he should be the bachelor and he um So his daughter and he has a famous stepfather Yeah, who is a famous brazilian soccer player who's absolutely gorgeous And the little girl was 11 and they're at a beautiful hotel. I think in brazil. I'm not sure. Yeah, it was in brazil and Chaperone was there having breakfast and the little girl gets all excited and is like, I think it's her mom I think it's her So she just walked by and then she comes back to the mom and she's like, oh my god It is her. I think it's her and then security Who the mom says she believes was part of her entourage comes over and says You know some mean brazilian man is like You can't do that. Don't look at her and you should teach your daughter better Behavioring and then she was like well, then she should be eating in her in her hotel room Because this is a public place and we can look at people when you're sitting in a public place Then uh, the stepdad wrote a horrible thing about what a bitch she was On social media and then chaperone is in her bed and bothers to a video and was like look That wasn't my security out of that hotel security or what I didn't tell him to do it. I do love my fans I never even saw this girl or your mom like I don't know what you're talking about and then the mom of the little girl is like Again, not true. This is what happened And if this person isn't your security or if they're representing you then you should fire them because this is what they did And it doesn't look well on you No, here's the thing I think he may have been hotel security or restaurant security But he would not have made Chaperone a priority if he was not instructed to make chaperone a priority and I think wherever she goes Listen, she's known to be a bitch and she hates her fans. Like that's just those are objective Facts that we've all come to accept. Well, I mean I I the things that I've seen is that yeah I don't think she likes the fandom at all. I don't think she's this A person that when someone walks up to them and is like you got me through cancer I don't think it's a story she wants to hear. No, she doesn't care and It could just be she doesn't care. It could be that Not everybody Likes that part of being famous not everybody famous Right, not everybody likes to do the meet and greets like you and me not everybody likes it Like I I would take people out to eat Like when I would be doing shows because I was like lonely on a saturday and I was like, let me like treat The you know, I like to meet my fans. That's me But I remember even when I was doing that there'd be times where I'd be at a comedy club and they'd be like Wow, you there's a lot of comedians that are like actually introverts and when the show ends They don't want to talk to anybody. They don't so I'm like but again if that is your deal And you don't feel like being recognized or approached Then go eat your breakfast in your room. I agree with the mom like don't If you're not in a mood to be out in public and you and you're just not in a mood Then don't go out because if you're a bitch, we will know about it. Here's the she still goes to fashion week She still walks the red carpets and does her photos and then hates the paparazzi She still puts herself in these situations where she's going to encounter these types of interactions And that's just part of like it's like saying I want to be in the nfl and then I get mad when I spray my ankle on the field It's like, you know the casualties of the job that you're signing up for right If you don't want to do that then I don't know being assistant coach for the nfl and then you're in it But you're not on the field and you still get to feel like you're a part of the action Like you get to pick and choose which pieces you want to be a part of But that comes with the territory that you're going to be stepping on and she She listen she can go back to playing her little guitar on Santa Monica Boulevard Like she used to do we've seen all the videos of when she was a struggling artist and then she blew up and she's become famous and Continues to do all the award shows just like the reality stars. I mean just like taylor The blow up is so fast when it's so fast when it's not a traditional You know even with some reality stuff even with the van or pump kids. Yeah, it was a slow burn to get to scantable It was 11 years to get to you know, send it to daryl moments. Yeah, like this was so fast For taylor and and as a performer I mean even madonna had I mean madonna blew up But even her it was like still a blow up blow up, you know to a place It was still a little bit of time like oh, who is this girl like when her first album came out because of the time it was I thought she was black I remember her saw her music. She sounded like a black woman to me. I thought she was black I was like holiday. Yeah, she would you know like it's I imagined and then I was like wait like that Like already it was a song and we didn't know what she looks like now in this day and age. It's like All right, right away if it's you know the video, you know this is this you're instantly like so famous And she became famous so fast. She did but she wanted to become famous. Yeah, she knew what that was She was aspiring to be that pop star And even now she can do things to prevent access to the public like there are celebrities that you never look at Secondly in order to caprio, right? You never see him. He always has his face covered. He hates the paparazzi He wants no part of any of it and we know nothing about his personal life He knows how to keep his life on locking key and and only interact when he needs to interact with that He doesn't really walk red carpets like he goes to the award shows he doesn't engage like he does his thing So she can very much do that thing But she's the type of person that wants to have her cake and eat it too and it's all about her boundaries and her aura And you have to respect her space and this security guard I'm sure was given some strict rules as to what to do when chapel ron is in the room And whether that came from her directly or that came from her team because her team knows how difficult she is And they wanted to prevent some sort of issue So they made sure they give the hotel the instructions ahead of time But that security guard didn't do that out of the kindness of his heart because he was trying to protect chapel ron's aura I mean sometimes when there's some sometimes what I've gone places and they're like And do you want to do the secret backway walk or do you want to and I'm like what? Yeah, no, I want to walk out in front. Let people see me. Yeah Speaking of van or pump lisa van or pump has listed tom tom. So um The tom wait so the tom job which is next to the pump pump is still not sold yet. We only have sir left pump is sold Pump is sold sorry pump is sold but next door is tom tom and that was still going but now it has been listed And this guy posted it um sess on Seth on the Anyway, thank you for doing that and it's a celebrity back night life investment is how they said it It's kind of cute. Is that single? Yeah, maybe it looks like he knows about real estate um Yeah, Seth on the scene What have you guys bought tom tom together? So anyway, um Well, I mean, are we surprised? No, we're not. They're not. I don't think they're two tomtoms are not part of it anymore They only had five percent tom Schwartz was still like he would still do brunch and he would like show up and like be the face I think because lisa was like come and entertain the guest. I think so Well, we know he's gonna be on the valley. Yes, but tom santa ball is not correct And you know he wants to and so and now this is over with I don't know I mean unless the show is on and the show is featuring the restaurant and also like I don't think like nobody's watching this Vanderpump reboot like what what losers like nobody cares about them. They're but I don't even know if like when people come out Like a lot of people are coming out for my show in may um may 9th And they're like, well, what are we what should we you know? What else could we do and if this was like two years ago? It would absolutely be sir pump tom tom one night her sandwiches Yes, it would be all of that and it's just like that's just not relevant because we're not watching it anymore Nobody I don't I'm not going to be gaslighted into believing that this Vanderpump reboot is the breakout show of the year I don't know a single person that's genuinely watching it and well just like The guys second season do you think it's because so did new york? They're bringing they're bringing it back for a third time and they're trying so hard to shove it down our throats this new york Rony reboot with scy and erin and I like erin like some of the girls that they at least picked and just like I get it But like nobody's watching that show. I mean it's still very expensive to do a show even if you're paying the talent two dollars It hasn't been renewed yet Vanderpump was no Alex paskin came out and said it was pretty much that that report came out prematurely and that it had not officially been greenlit by The network I didn't even know the other day. I was doing my hair and I was like Did they have a reunion? They did a three-part reunion, right? A two-part. Oh, okay It was a little bit of a smaller space because it was in sir, wasn't it? Yeah, they said this is where we did the first one for the original. Yeah, and I mean I hadn't watched it. So it's like I didn't know what was going on. I just watched like a little bit of it just to see and I'm just saying like Absolutely, no buzz nothing. So I'm like I'd be shocked if it did go And I don't know and I think she's good to walk away I think she's like I'm ready to sell all the restaurants Do the villa and and do the Las Vegas stuff Vegas is where she's at and listen She's smart to do that because Vegas is about novelty, right? So if you're gonna do novelty and lean into that, it's not going to be on Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood Like it's done. Yeah, like move to Vegas because that's where everybody goes because they want to go see the m&m store and they want to go to You know all the different it's the most genius thing. It doesn't I don't think it needs to have a full kitchen It's just apps and then and then you get a $25 drink and you're gone in an hour next people come in Turn over turn over turn over. Yeah, and and she can become the name in because like they all have they all build like Who's it? Hell's Kitchen? They did their own like spin off different restaurants and stuff And she can do that and I think that that's smart. She doesn't need tom tom. She doesn't need pomp I don't know why she's keeping she's keeping sir alive for the show Uh, but just I think that's an ego thing of like they can't let the franchise die even though nobody cares It's like got zero cultural impact like nobody cares about these people and so She but but she has villa which villa is at least someone interested thanks to the mom talk because of dad talk You better believe we're gonna watch it because of dad talk. We want to know who dakota fucked. Yeah, so And that's one thing that hulu is doing very smart is Cross-pollinating all their shows they're putting the Mormon wives on on dancy with the stars And then they try to bring taylor and the bachelor But that was like an epic fail But like they're trying to circulate everyone stasi's getting her own show and she's on vander pabula and like You know, they're being smart about that. I mean, that's why they kept nick vial a part of that world because he came from the bachelor world Like they're smart to cross pollinate whereas they think bravo is really bad at that And they try to gate keep everything but in a way that like just isn't modern um That like they're Gaslighting us into thinking this vander pump rules reboot is a success and i'm just like nobody's that stupid. Yeah Well, r.r.p. Tom tom getting on to real house of salt lake city since I was there this weekend Yeah for the party the girls uh were in san francisco So they did not make my show which is fine because I could talk about them on stage, but anyway, they um Were in san francisco and brawn when brought her new boyfriend Which she had told me about when I went to the white party at kyle's And you know, she told me it was like a 32 year old model And I don't know how secretive it was going to be but now it's not a secret. How does she she's still young, right? She's like 30 at 40 or something. Yeah, so she's not that far. Oh, no, this is great. Yeah I mean imagine going from todd which basically looked like the god the old man and up. Yeah to This guy, I mean I will say when there's but some people could think that you know Bravo has ruined women's lives and some lives they've ruined lia McSweeney would say that she was you know Had a great life before she was on the show or whatever. I don't know what her case is going to be But in the case of brawn when I don't think there has been a better trajectory Of getting out of an like basically a transactional marriage to start where you're a much younger woman And you are you needed someone to support you and your daughter You know and you had that for a few years But he was a motherfucker and you didn't enjoy him and he didn't like him get on a tv show Now you have the fame in the career And you get to fuck a 32 year old and you get to bring him on the show and parade him around heather gag Who's been single for five years who's never had a boyfriend? I know no is that because getting her fucked? Erica jane this was supposed to be her trajectory. She was supposed to leave town She got divorced and then boom the whole legal scandal crumbled right before her eyes Listen brawn one's doing it right and she's young and listen. I think housewives is dying I think it'll be done in a few years. I think it's just kind of growing obsolete and bravo needs to find ways to keep Re you know reimagined and they're trying right they did like the hotel show and ultimate girl's trip was great until caroline manzo fucked it all up and then I've been seeing these You've probably seen these videos since it's not I did not create the idea but it was funny where it's like What footage would you most like to see that we'll never see which is the ultimate girls trip or rocco where brandy glanville allegedly You know did something with caroline The other one was the um the van with kathy hilton and lisa ranna the aspen Yeah post when they didn't play michael jackson at the dj and she was cursing the dj in a sexuality on the way home And then what was the other one? I think I did see there was like there was like two other ones of like things Oh the plain footage of meredith and britney that there's no footage of that But there's we're not sure there's any footage there but there was like two other ones where I was like, yeah, you're right Anyway, good for her. I would love to I think we may get morocco Unintentionally if caroline's if what happens with liya's lawsuit happens with caroline's lawsuit The issue with caroline's lawsuit is they're fighting over jurisdiction because it happened in morocco and like it's It's tricky. Um But I mean listen if there's anything blake lively taught us it's that none of your text messages are safe None of the footage is safe and all of the morocco anything ever happens with bravo. They really go they just need to start a patreon And then people would pay so much and it's like all of this stuff and they're like I'm done. Yeah Done i'll pay for it. Andy Cohen. Yeah, Andy Cohen's patreon But I think we may so they from my understanding of the caroline manzo lawsuit They have all of the footage all the episodes edited They have the masters and then they have like the raw footage all of which was has been submitted in court It's just currently under seal But like liya mix we knew was able to push her lawsuit to go to trial now And it's going to be played out publicly. So i'm hoping caroline pushes a little harder because if we if they're not going to air it For us then at least drop it on the docket where that's going What's happening with it with the caroline and uh brandy it's still in hold. Yeah, they're still trying to So this was just in kelly osborne is engaged to This guy cid wilson. He's a singer. I think they've been together a long time because they have a child who was born in 2022 But they were engaged and now the engagement is off Because she lost too much weight I mean, of course, you know after her dramatic weight loss a lot of people criticize that that was from new york post It said kelly osborne and fiance cid wilson new reportedly split after her dramatic weight loss. Well, she's been I mean pretty skinny for a while um You know, who knows why people break up. I looked at her love life I mean she's had a lot of significant others throughout her 40 years of life or whatever she is um I don't know it is dramatic. It's really dramatic in her face. That's what I think people kind of like freak out about Yeah, it's very gone. Um, but I want to talk about a little bit about real housewives of brevely hill So I was following amanda the manifestation queen Yes, and so she told a story on her instagram that I thought was kind of interesting and she's like I want to talk about when you celebrate the haters So I was going to get some aside bowls for my children in bretwood and I had several kids in the car And I left them in the car now I'm hoping that there was a nanny in the car because no one talked about that in the comments But I was like and I went I was like I need whatever her little kids names are I need one aside bowl for this one and the other and when I walked in The girl working there was on the phone and she didn't immediately get off the phone to help us And when I worked at all my multiple jobs before I was a billionaire I would always know that the person in front of you is who you give attention to not the one on the phone So finally I said I just wanted a side bowl with just strawberries and chocolate and she said do you want the granola? And I'm like I told you I wanted just with the strawberries and chocolate It was taking a really long time So then I had to go back and check on my kids and then when I came back I said Could I just get a little more of the the cocoa chunks or chocolate or whatever? And she said that's going to cost four more dollars. I said fine fine And then what I did I tipped her a hundred dollars Because that's what you do I was like, okay, wait a minute. Are you like blood first of all the girls don't hate her She's a young gen zir who's working at a place for minimum wage You're agreeing to overpay for a 25 dollar breakfast for your kid every day They they knew where to put this place in your neighborhood because you dumb bitches on your way to drop off We'll spend that kind of money. Yeah, and this young girl is working there and no no one trained her What do you want? She's doesn't she's not hating on you. She's fucking waiting on you and she's told If she does another scoop and there's cameras everywhere, she's got to charge your ass four dollars So I do think it's nice that you gave her a hundred dollars because that hundred dollars is going to mean a lot to her A lot more than it would to you But it doesn't even go to her it goes to the collective pot of all of the the of the iPad register. Yeah, I guess you're right Well, then everybody got it and since no one saw it and made a video make sure you go home and let the world know that you're a good tipper because Otherwise it doesn't go in the universe. I guess unless you say it and may I take make a tick talk about it? She should film herself passing out hundred dollar bills down skid row Boom You manifested money you manifested money Yeah, but I mean she is the only kind of interesting thing about the show and I will say that they were So they weren't italy. Did you watch it? I did And what did you think of the episode? There was a little action at the end. I'm trying to remember what happened with that girl Who's that girl? They put that random lady on the show every time I see that random lady. I'm like, who's this damn lady that lied She lied about the bows and the mask thing. That was such a dumb conversation that I was like You know on a watcher. I'm live. They they were all like, oh, yeah, it was just it was a misunderstanding It's all fine But you know nothing's happening in Italy except for them shopping So I know the producer probably had to go up to kyle and go make a bigger deal out of the fact that That the new girl said Oh, everyone has masks. Who's Pinocchio? I mean, who's the liar and then And then bows goes. I don't know Amanda. Ha ha ha. That was it like bows wasn't thinking of like it was so She's like what? Oh god. I guess we have to make a big deal out of this and then Amanda's like Maybe Oh my god, I thought that was an earthquake. It was the air conditioning I Was the show once when we caught an earthquake and it was when I had the desk and I got under the desk Oh my god, I hate it. It was like a total news moment like I totally anyway, so she um She's like well, I'm from a generation that has boundaries and I'm like when you say when you if people If people younger women really do feel about like that, but I don't think it's a whole generational But I'm like then the show can't exist You know and it's like but It is kind of interesting and they're just like what we we have to like fight and talk shit about each other this show is I couldn't believe it. I went to go Look for the episode and on my peacock. It's a 26 episodes. I go wait what and then I realized Oh, no watch items lives in it too, but still We're on like 13 episodes Of not a lot happening but like well Well, well, it's at the end though because they just filmed the reunion it is at the end So there's only like four there should only be like four or five episodes left But even so like what's left in the four episodes and we've been waiting for the I went to the party What party? I didn't even know they'd be I did not know they were filming they asked me to go to a party to celebrate niki hilton's jewelry line And I had been to stuff at niki's house that was not filmed where she'd have like pop-up stuff So I just thought it was another like cute pop-up thing and then I was like, oh They're filming like the filming the show Anyway, they then called me and because they I guess never got a release So I said, yeah, of course like like I'm not gonna be no cut me out of the scene Blur my face. Yeah, and so anyway once again, it's just like where's waldo like thirsty heather in the background of a party, but anyway They did Get into it Was this the finale? I think this was to be the finale. I think this is the finale something else happens in italy that we're gonna see yeah, and then Because they were fighting about italy with dureet at this table and i'm holding back and watching it with kade hudson manager of britney He's really good fun with niki hilden and we're both just like Like we're just watching it and I could hear it and it was just a lot of yelling at dureet Like it sounded like dureet like left them stranded in italy. I don't know something happened where like I don't know It's not like she's in charge of a jet. So I don't know how she left anybody when you've got camera crews It's not like anyone could be left. Yeah, all of a sudden when you're not gonna get in the van like what you know um, but they were just Mad at her, you know, I and they kind of allude like they're getting annoyed that she's late for everything and yeah I mean she is a little she's like That's my personality not okay I understand it's a job. Yeah, and that's why they're mad. They're not just mad if we weren't filming And we were having dinner and i'm like god, you know zack you're always late Which you are the most non-late person neither am I but like you know, whatever It's like no, we all had to be here on time like I'd be ready I don't know then she talks about how you know, she's they're gonna sell the house On watch from live. She said he's bringing the the foreclosure up and then they're gonna sell it And then she and the kids will find something else Which is again, it's sad because you know, she's gonna end up renting Because she's gonna want to live in a glamorous place instead of buying a house and You know here you've been on the show for all these years And what will you have to show for it? If you don't even like end up owning a home at the end of a 13-year marriage Being on a show for 10 years and I mean essentially that's shanab ador Yeah started off in a 16 million dollar house And is you know on the show for 17 years or whatever it is and still just renting a house that's 60 years old It's like what it's all and then the amount of stuff they bought All of them buying stuff but but they go and all the I don't know what he's saying these words right because I don't buy that Yeah, Dari was just buying stuff And the most she's like I bought four Gucci purses Gucci really you need four Gucci purses. What are you doing? When you're going through divorce, I agree with Kyle. What the fuck are you doing? I agree with Amanda. Stop fucking talking about him. He's your source of income. You don't want to piss him off You want to be generous not only that but if she's gonna try to prove in court that she's dependent on his money Then she can't be saying yes, I bought a kelly bag with my book advance Like she can't be flexing about having her own money and then blowing it on all of these things If she's gonna prove that she had some sort of financial hardship as to why she deserves spell sale support Like there are certain things you don't thinking of is do you make is it a better deal to buy in europe all this shit? Like is the dollar that much better or worse? I don't think it's that much. I still don't think you need four Gucci bags No, but and I don't think the price is that It's not like it would be 10,000 here and it's like 4,000 there The only reason I know you buy that type of stuff in another country is because there are different items available there that they might not Be here because all of the items are limited like with Birkenbags Like they're so rare and limited like that's why you have to like source them and go, you know Get them from here or there. I feel like that like I where is that? Who cares? Yeah So yeah, I don't think she needs four Gucci bags and all the clothes that she like she's just She's a spender but that's gonna come back to bite her because god forbid she loses housewives Then what is she gonna do? Yeah, or just make sure it's insured in case she gets robbed Oh, yeah, again again, and then Yeah, so let's hope not okay, um, Teresa did a beautiful post with melissa with the songs of Birds of a feather we belong together Happy birthday melissa a k sister-in-law lol. Why is that funny? We've truly been through it all and somehow always find our way back to each other Thanks to the show. Yeah The show brought you apart. Yeah, tore you apart, but it also brought you back together Yeah, I hope your day is filled with much so much happiness and love. I'm really grateful that we're back in the I'm grateful for that too. Yeah, your family the cousins all of it Who can I like I'm not mad about it. No, I do love who is it not good for them Antonia is that melissa's daughter's name? Yeah, she's on tiktok and she's watching all the old seasons of jersey That's fun to see because she's watching like the christening for the first time and she's um, it's Crazy to think that they're like old enough to do tiktoks and watch it now Good for her though. She's in college and that's a really smart thing to do That's a really interesting thing to do is to see people are hooked on it Yeah, because they don't know because they didn't watch it back and they were just used to it's like a person in the corner with a camera They still lived their life and all the kids on all seven of their kids the three gorgas and the four girls Are lovely. Yeah, and seem to be raised really really great. Yeah, so I think that's You know, they're Italian roots. Yeah, and so the story the rumor is them and Dolores. Yeah And then what four new people I guess Yeah, it's like no food. Uh, no, what's yet? What was the other girls? No margaret. Who is danielle? No danielle no gen aiden No gen festler. I'm good without gen festler honestly Yeah, I don't think anyone's clamoring or what's the other one gold finder? Oh jackie gold schneider Yeah, yeah, no, I don't think I don't think anyone cares, but that's a good one um This one I saw reality tv fan said that there's supposedly a new show. I've seen a few reports on this That's gonna be like an ultimate girls trip, but for different reality stars So it's like a traitors where they mix a lot of reality stars But it's a girls trip and supposedly it's tomorrow from the you know tomorrow braxton kim's olsiac Kenya margaret from new jersey christine from selling sunset britney from the valley in van der pump katlyn bristow From bachelor gen from bachelor. I don't know who she is halaria You know bald win julie christly and savannah christly That's too many girls. There's too many. I think this is someone just made this up and they're well taking a shit I don't think this is Yeah, this is too. No, it's too rare and like how do you know how many people like how do you have you could make three shows out of that? You only need like Like I think the ultimate number for something is like five or six Yeah, because you just got to have enough where one could be ostracized Yeah, and and you could batty up with like one person Yeah, like unless these are all in consideration and the cast hasn't been finalized But like in what world do you see britney and margaret joseph's? Yeah taking shots together on the beach when they go on trips It's true. I've been on a girls trip before and you you need about five or six people to have fun to have a little bit of drama and then The funnest trips are when one girl is kind of like fucking annoying everybody And then you're like let's go for a walk and then you're like i'm so annoyed like it does kind of bond you together It does kind of make it fun um Anyway, uh, lizzo stripped down To meter form herself. It was a little confusing It's a photo of lizzo with dark hair and lizzo with blonde hair But the blonde hair and lizzo is the new lizzo, you know, she's lost a lot of weight And it's like she did a video with i don't know with ai made like another naked version of herself Is it ai or is it like a wax figure? I think it's like ai. I think it's like in post they probably just did it but it's a music video So it's a music video. So they're moving around. So she just had like a green square for a green screen Yeah, and then she's getting fucked in the ass by the old lizzo No, I think it's like a mannequin Is she wearing skims? Maybe I don't know and the new lizzo I don't know. What do you think? I thought it was really funny when you talked about um Your I died laughing at that one video you said about jillian michaels. Oh, yeah was doing explain it So she did a jubilee video where they like sit you down and they have like 20 people that you like do a debate with And so she was debating like 20 jillian michaels is a fitness person from biggest loser, right? I just remember so, um She sat down and she was debating 20 body positivity activists Okay, and so it's everything from like Well, so apparently I learned that they you're not allowed to call them obese anymore And so now they prefer to be called fat bodied which don't ever call me that like as somebody that used to be fat bodied I when I was in high school I was very thick and I would never like that is an assault on on my soul to call me fat bodied But so they're fighting with jillian michaels about like don't use the word obese You have to be called fat bodied and like that's the term that they're embracing and you have like Therapists who are like we have to call it the o word and like it's just so weird because then and then on the other hand Everybody's obsessed with kelly osborne. Yes. Like I think the new era just needs to be Listen body positivity this a story. No body positivity used to be a thing until ozempic came and then nobody cared about Like and I don't care what like what happened to calling them brave like let's just say like Let's just say everybody and just do your thing. Just do your thing like just love yourself Remember when there was a time where you're like you had to be secretive about ozempic Otherwise they were gonna like knock on your door and like burn you to the and now everyone can be on it or not Who cares? Yeah, like who cares? But like lizzo is a perfect example of that of like she went from body positivity to ozempic But then I feel like she kind of lost something. So that's why I think she's doing this controversial Well, I mean it gets us talking about it. Well, she had that lawsuit against her remember Yeah, she had the like dancers said she was mean she was mean and she like sexually harassed them or something Yeah, but I think now she wants to get back into music Yeah, and she has a new song coming out and so she's like why I asked my dancers when I can harass myself I can harass a former version of myself um I mean I always loved her music. So like I don't care what you look like lizzo. It's like make some good songs I can jam out too um Okay, megan markel has left Netflix millions of dollars in the hole with the severed as ever deal. They never saw a return What do we think is going to happen to her? I mean did they think they were gonna see a return? She's also Boring her. Oh, she has a luxury flower thing She was doing something where she's like show like talking to her She was doing something and then the child comes in but we don't get to see a little bit And because she like comes in the perfect angle like it's hidden So it's like she put her camera there and she's like yes my love Okay, I think you can do that and then it's like oh We got a glimpse of little bits hair or whatever Listen the kids are going to be on the camera when She's holding the kids out as her final final thing Eventually she will have some type of reality show or ensemble And that's when we'll see the reveal That's when that's when the kids will start talking. She's running out of tricks everything she tries just keeps flopping Did you watch the show the I watched I watched a little of it with love megan Yeah, and then nobody watched any of it after that everyone watched like the first episode or two and then like No, it was so boring. It was really boring and unless you were Making content about how boring it was you like there no one was just like unless you're going to get a video out of it Or something like no one was watching it for actual tips. No What to do because it was so unrealistic It's like let me go into my backyard with all of my bees and let me get the honey And then we're going to extract the honey to make candles out of it And it was like who has time to spend four days making a candle You can just go to home goods like there's no point in that it was so stupid It was the one that I saw she was doing the sourdough bread And even she was like getting annoyed at it by the end. She was like wow, this is taking like four days Like I had to leave it over here with like a wet cheese towel on or however you make sourdough bread and I'm just like I mean there was an expression back in the day where people were like greatest things since sliced bread because You don't want to make your own bread. It was a huge. It was a huge pain when I went to Pompeii Okay, it was the best thing I did in Italy. You can walk through like where the town of like before Jesus Okay The lava came over and then they found the town so you like walking through They actually had bakeries back then even back then before Jesus came people were like, I don't want to make my own fucking bread Yeah, I want to go to the bakery and get a little much work I mean, I know sourdough bread is like a thing people do now, but like I don't know anybody that's like Truly enjoying that I did buy some sourdough bread from some girls Yeah, they look real christian. What is the thing with sourdough bread right now? Everyone's so into the sourdough I don't know. It does taste good, but it is good. Um last thing before we go Ramona was lit over the weekend. I love a lit Ramona. Thank you to Jen to chris Jenner's secrets who caught this moment And she's filming the show The eaveshow uh-huh Golden wives the gold golden life a golden life. Yes, and she comes back and she is lit and she does a video she's like She's like well, I just had the best time with my girls It was lu and and it was dorinda and it was sonia and kelly and a couple other people and Avery and it was I just love my life I love my life in palm beach and I got my girls. I'm just having a great time and I had a great night. Good night That's gonna be good. I miss them. So I first I was kind of over it when they fired jill and I was like I don't care about anymore But now that we're seeing little bits of them hanging out together and we're seeing it all again like bravo Really fumbled the ball by letting them go Yes, I think it's gonna be a hit I think you know, it'll open the door to other things and You know, maybe give ea second life. Maybe give ea second life. Oh bgm e they also did this thing about the price is right with bob barker and I have not watched it, but they I guess he was had an intimate relationship with one of the girls and And then this one said, um holly holster call says bob barker forced her into an early retirement over the show scandals She said I hate that man and she tells a story the clip that I saw that one of the girls. I think, um, who was it? I can't remember which one her name was this beautiful blonde, but She said they got in a fight like a screaming fight in in his dressing room And she goes and someone chases her and is like you have to apologize to bob barker You have to apologize public and she turns around in front of the whole set and she said Something to the effect of trying to think what she said it was like I've sucked that man's dick so many times. I'm not gonna now start kissing his ass No, yeah, it was even better that she goes. I'm not gonna start kissing his ass now. That was it. Oh man And so that I was like I saw that clip from that's a documentary on e And yeah, that he was just a misogynistic dick who I guess had relationships with the women and but he always made sure those dogs Were spayed and neutered. That's what he always said at the end Um, Zach you've got so much going on in your life and you give us so much content and joy How could people find more zack in their life? Zach peter all over the internet and watch novils with zack peter five days a week Go to heatherbickdonald.net for me for the patreon for everything else Thank you