#4646 Zen Koanheads

You're a single guy, aren't you? Uh, yeah. Yeah, okay. What I'm getting at is I would assume that you don't have a lot of experience or didn't have a lot of experience handling babies. No. I had no experience handling babies. So what was that like for you when you had to start picking up the babies and all that? It was bizarre. It was...it was... Because there were eight babies and there were eight stage mothers to go with them and the babies were crying and the stage mothers were giving them a lot of pain. The stage mothers were giving me militant glares and telling me what to do and, can you hold a baby? And then there were all these different angles going on and babies to me are very strange because they don't appear human to me. They're sort of...they've got their own way of thinking. You know, they're sort of alien and I respect them for it. But I know that someday they will grow up and be humans. TVTL! We are super fun here and I promise I won't stop until this little guy's leaping and laughing like the other kids. I don't know what exactly the attachment is. I think they're cute but kind of funny looking. I saw a woman psychiatrist and she said I was OCD, one cool dude and she understands the way I think right now. And everything's cool, everything's gopacetic, everybody's happy and I'm happy too. Okay. Are you a connoisseur of art? I had a painted turtle when I was a kid. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell them. That was the silly goose police. You need to turn yourself in. Police clap. Alright, hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Wednesday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. What is this? Only my favorite podcast of all time. My name is Luke Burbank, I'm your host. Hi everybody! Coming to you from the Madronahill Studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia. Bring it back home, baby. Bring it back home. Where it is an absolutely beautiful January day, except... Oh ma, pa, it's just beautiful. It is real cold and I just got back here moments ago. I drove straight here from the airport to present this show to you all and it is... It is, it's pretty cold here in the Madronahill Studio. I've got a space heater directly pointed at my tootsies and my feet. So hopefully that'll keep me going here through episode 4646 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Speaking of being extremely cool... Guess where you just got into Cool Guy's Zone? I saw that Emmanuel Macron, the leader of France, was at Davos and then he was giving a speech and he had on aviators. And I was like, why is this guy being so cool right now? And then I read the actual story and it really humanized me, him to me and it really made me feel connected to him. So we'll get into that. Also speaking of politicians, Zaron Mamdani is pushing for something related to he and his wife moving into Gracie Mansion in New York. When was the last time you sh** your pants? Been a while? And it's, well it's, for me, I would consider it to be hope and change. So we'll get into that too and we will talk to this guy, the longest running cobro of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall shoes. He's got wrists, like he just does. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning my friend. And I can say that today. That's right, it is still morning. That's right, good morning, good afternoon. Good morning. Do you remember the silly goose phase of TikTok? That little tape we played in the intro. I just, I grabbed that and I'm looking here. I grabbed that in February of 2023. Sometimes that shocks me. I don't know if this is relatable to the audience. Hey audience, when you're grabbing your audio drops, do you sometimes look at the date you grabbed it and think, wow, I can't believe that was two years ago. And when he said that, that shocked me. As a new drop. That was two years ago. And that was part of a wave of silly goose jeepery, right? Yeah, yeah, that was a kind of a thing. Which I still find to be charming. Yeah. I'm not going to like probably fall on the floor laughing, but I don't find it. It's not like some of the other things that have become, became so central to internet life. That then kind of like, wore a little thin for me. Now here's where, here's where I was, and I'm pretty proud of myself, Andrew. And this maybe just speaks to how, how sort of aligned you and I are now in terms of our imaginary radio making. Now, this morning when I was flying home from California, I was looking up things on the computer. And I happened upon that Nicholas Cage tape that we started with. And that's him doing an interview about the movie Raising Arizona. Where if you remember, H.I. is, I also had this thought, man, I wonder how those, because those were, I think that, were those babies really like all from the same family. In the movie, they have like eight babies, octuplets or whatever that would be. I wonder, I wonder what's gone on for all those Raising Arizona babies, what they've grown up. Ooh, Mel magazine, were you around still? You could do that article. But anyway, I sent you that tape and then this morning, because you again had some extra time waiting for me as I was getting back home, you put a brand new intro package together. That was by the way, top notch, top shelf. But I didn't know, I was also, I didn't have eyes on you, not that this would have helped me, but I was, I was listening to that with fresh ears. So think about this, I don't know when the intro package ends, when the little pieces of tape stop talking and it's time for me to start talking. And I just had to like, and that silly goose tape has like a very long pause in it. And so it was like, I was like, there's gotta be, there's probably one more thing, there's probably one more thing. And then after the silly goose thing ended, I was like, not yet. Not, I was like Ricky Tickey Tave. I was like, hold fast in a very scary voice, which as I've talked about on the show, terrified me as a kid that Ricky Tickey Tave, Road Yard Kipling, like cartoon adaptation of that. I only know it is a Donovan song and I'm not joking. It's way too scary for kids. Like, I mean, I'm sure that the Road Yard Kipling book, I think, is he the one that wrote that? Maybe not. Anyway, the book Ricky Tickey Tave about this mongoose that's gotta fight Cobra's in India, I think, somewhere in the subcontinent, they made it into a cartoon, like a kind of a cartoon movie and it was, the stakes were way too high for kids to be watching. Because it's not like, you know, I don't know, a Cobra is a very terrifying enemy. Even as a kid, you know that. But anyways, I was like Ricky Tickey Tave. I was holding fast because I thought maybe there's one more thing. And there was, there was a Jed, please clap. And then when I heard that, I was like, this is what Andrew has put at the end. This is the end. But also, I knew it. But also, because it's funny, as I was putting that together, I sort of had these thoughts too. Now, this was by some count, the count in my catalog here. That was intro number 1023. Now, obviously, we've done way more shows than that, but they don't all have intros. We reused some of these intros. But at some point, I started making them, I think before I was even officially on the show and I just started with intro number one. So that was intro number 1023. But they all, the music will always swell at the end. That's what I was also listening for. That's the other thing too. Like, it's not gonna just trinkle on. You're gonna, and I was actually thinking, no joke, in the back of my head, we did not have this conversation off air. But as I was making this by myself, before you dialed up, I was thinking, well, he knows, because those long pauses, because both you have the long pauses in the silly goose thing, but then also the Jed tape is interesting because it begins with a long pause. For me, the funniest part of the Jed tape is the sigh. Please clap. Totally. The big intake of breath. And so I thought it was a little bit weird, but I knew that you would know because you don't talk until it swells. Okay, the woman's psychiatrist. That helps. Also, we both had, what's that wrestler's name? Randy Macho Man Savage. But you were gonna play some Macho Man. I was like, you can't. I already have that in my intro. It's the year of our lord 2026 and the hoser arguing about who gets to play the Macho Man tape. That was the silly goose police. But then you listen here, you wait for the swell. Then you start to come. You need to turn yourself in. Please clap. There it is. And that's what I was waiting for. You gotta wait for that. But listen, I was and I did and it worked. But I'm just saying that takes, you know, I don't know, 4,000 times doing this show together. Yes. To just sort of know the rhythm. For it to be intuitive. For it to be, for it to just make sonic sense. I just think you throw someone else in this chair, even your frigging beloved Genevieve, who everyone thinks should be the new co-bro of the show. I don't think that she instinctively would know to wait for the swell. Would she instinctively know that I'm going to be pulling up Sundanov and singing Ricky Ticket Heavy? It's not bad, right? It is Rudyard Kipling, by the way. I'm just happy that I pulled that one out of my back of my brain. I have a question for you, Andrew. And Andrew? Yes, no. Have you considered Andrew? I have and I will. I got two stories for you that have occurred since the, we last spoke, which was probably 17 hours ago. One involves, like, I wouldn't even call it a TikTok fight, but a disagreement, like a thing that I posted on, not a thing I posted on TikTok, but a comment I left on someone's TikTok page that I feel like there was some pushback on. Or a conversation that revealed more about the life of my Uber driver than I was expecting this morning at about 5.30 a.m. in Burbank, California. Well, not that they're not both intriguing in their own way, but I'm especially drawn towards internet altercations and awkwardness. In this case, then, I'm going to have to... This is going to be hard because it's going to involve me trying to find some audio and play it on the floor. You did give me a choice. You gave me a choice and now it sounds like I chose incorrectly. I didn't give you all of the context. Okay. You didn't make the wrong choice, but it does mean I'm going to have to try to SNL, like, food, skit. Okay. So, there was a... Let's see. Maybe what we call it. I can fill here and give you an update on an argument that Genevieve and I just reopened yesterday regarding my internet behavior. Maybe that gave you enough time. Okay. I'll just... Do you remember on the show, I think it was maybe before the holidays? Yeah, it was around the holiday season, though. I told you how some guy posted a joke on his blue sky account. That was the exact same joke. So I got this frame that said to you. That's how you can tell your story. I just wanted to bring a little Billy Bob into it. Boring. We'll get into that. I'm looking forward to that. I forgot to separate facts from fertilizer this morning, my friend. Don't make me open a can of whoop-up. I apologize to you and everyone else. But it sounds like you're about ready to go. But you remember that guy who basically just took a joke that went viral, like kind of a holiday-themed, somewhat horny joke that went, or not horny, just I guess somewhat blue joke or something, that went viral a year earlier and just rewrote the thing on his own blue sky account. And I came across it. And I was like, oh. And I wrote underneath, are you the same person who posted this on X last year? Genevieve just will not accept that I wrote that in good faith. It came up either, I can't remember for a recording. She's like, you did not write that expecting him to do anything but block you, or that you only wrote it to aggravate. So I'm like, no, I truly, truly thought, because you and I had just gone through something similar with joke accidental stealing. I was just like, no, I truly did not write that just to. I wasn't just being passive aggressive. I truly was thinking, you might be the same person on a different platform. Or maybe you didn't realize that a really funny joke from a year ago got stuck in your brain and you were reissuing it. And so I was shocked when this guy just blocked me. I don't even care about the blocking or whatever. That's not the argument. I'm looking to reopen up. But Genevieve just does not think that I did that in good faith. And I just keep telling her, no, I truly, truly wrote that question as a question. It sounded to me when you were describing it, and we talked about it. I believed that it was a good faith because of the whole setup that you gave me. So I don't want to undermine your home life. But OK, I found the time. You did. You've bound me enough time for the beginning of this. OK, so there was a sketch on Saturday Night Live, I don't maybe in the most recent show, or a very recent show. And it is one of the main guys from Stranger Things. The aforementioned Finn Wolfhardt. And it's a pretty funny premise. And it's basically like, imagine a Dune or Star Wars type of situation where you've got, and then the guy from Stranger Things, who's in his early 20s, is this kind of coddled sort of almost like a Prince Joffrey type. And the people, the various other life forms from the galaxy that he is like, that are under his boot, are coming to supplicate to him and to try to plead their case in the sort of royal galactic court. But Mikey Day, who we remember from What the F. And also he was one of the skeletons that danced with David S. Pumpkins. He plays like kind of like the weird side guy who's supposed to feed, who's constantly feeding the sort of spoiled space prince. You know how there's like the other, somebody over on the side who's like, try, this is the most elegant, such and such, from across the galaxy, right? So I'm going to play you this. Hopefully this won't take too long, but that's the scene. People are, again, people are saying to the Finn Wolfhardt, the prince, we need help with things. And he's, Mikey Day is feeding him these exotic things from around the galaxy. Chancellor Snooks from Cram 9 requests an audience with his grace. Ah, Chancellor, have you come to grovel at your emperor's feet? You are no emperor, Zeb. Yet here I sit, atop a throne surrounded by servants, a life woman to kneel at my side. I am blessed to be your floor girl, my lord. A muscled fool to fan my brow. I would fan you even in death, emperor. And a snack man, Shegan, whose only job is to feed me delicious delights. Yes, an endless array of galactic goodies to swell your belly, indulge Sire in these jellied moonballs from Fub. Yes. Feeding him a, feeding him like a marshmallow ball thing. Delicious indeed. So now, now they're going to go back to like space business. It's really cute. Does it pain you? Does it pain you to be, again? Another one. So like right as you're trying to get back to the thing, just giving him another one. I'm not going to watch you chew. I think I'm good on those. Are you sure, Sire? Yes, I think I'm now going to, I need to get back to business. Yes, Sire. Stay to your business, Chancellor. I have come to persuade you to lift your blockade on my planet's trade routes. Without solar seeds, our soil starts and soon so will my people. Ironic, isn't it? Your people waste away while my gullet is stuffed with Shegan's delights. Yes, indulge my ease on this split jelly sphere from dark. Big bite, my lady. He's feeding him this next thing. And now Finn Wolfhard is like, kind of can't swallow it. He's pushing him away. He looks like he's going to throw up maybe. And basically the way that the rest of the sketch unfolds is kind of how you would imagine, which is like every time, every time this guy is trying to get back to the space business, the guy is putting more weird foods in his mouth and he's kind of like, look, I don't want any more of that. That's actually gross. Please stop. I feel sick. It's very live. I feel like the humor is based on the fact that it's kind of live too, right? Yes, it's totally. I mean, first of all, everyone, this kid Finn Wolfhard, I call him the kiddies in his early 20s. I don't think there was one sketch that I happened to see him in, which, you know, how the internet works now. I've seen half of the sketches from this episode. I don't think there's one that he didn't break up in. It must be really hard to be 23 years old and like in this, on this set with these people that are pretty funny, kind of doing all this stuff. So part of it, you're right. He's cracking up. Mikey Day is cracking. Everyone's laughing because this is like preposterous what's happening. But the premise, I want to be clear about this. The premise of the sketch is spoiled space emperor, Brat, who's getting fed all of this crazy food. But then as the thing goes on, he does not want the food. He keeps saying to Mikey Day, like stop with the food, no more of the food. He is anti the food. I don't want any more delights. Leave me alone. That's the premise of the sketch. So then I was like scrolling around on TikTok, probably last night, probably at my hotel. And this is what I can't locate at the very moment. I see a guy on TikTok and he says basically like, he goes, does anyone else realize that that sketch where the space food sketch or whatever you call it from this week, it's totally, they're recycling a sketch from 15 years ago. He goes, I don't even like, I don't even dislike the sketch, but I just feel like somebody should be calling us out. Is anybody else noticing this? And then he includes a clip of what he considers to be the sketch that they're recycling. And for that one, I'm going to have to just, I guess, describe it for you because although I don't know, it's the cone heads. Actually, the cone heads do, what do they consume? Mass quantities as my dad. Yes, they do actually. You know what? I was trying to think of the opposite type of sketch, but I guess over eating is a bit. So here's, okay, so let me see. I don't know why, okay, I don't know why this is so difficult to locate, but there is a sketch. It's very funny. And what it is, is it is like set in more like the days of Caligula, okay? So you have Will Forte is like a spoiled Caligulan. And you have Ashton Kutcher is the person who's supposed to feed him grapes. Okay. And it's people, it's similar in that people are coming in, you know, same thing with business to sort of entreat the spoiled emperor again. But the difference in this sketch is that Will Forte is obsessed with eating the grapes and loves the grapes and wants more of the grapes and is telling the grape feeder, give me more grapes. He keeps stopping to have more grapes because he cannot get enough grapes. And in fact, he literally says, I just can't have enough of these grapes. He also mentions on the size of Ashton Kutcher's characters. Foul is at one point, it's clear there's some kind of sexual dynamic to the relationship. But basically, to me, the joke of that sketch is Will Forte, the emperor cannot get enough of these grapes is demanding more grapes and the premise of the sketch that I just played you is Finn Wolfhart's character does not want any more delights. It's too many delights. The guy feeding the delights is overly zealous. If anything, the guy feeding Will Forte, Ashton Kutcher, is underzealous because Ashton Kutcher's, or sorry, Will Forte's character keeps going, give me more grapes. Like he keeps calling on him to give him more grapes. So I wrote a comment. So now we're back to the TikTok post, which is like, I can't believe that they recycled this sketch and no one's noticing it. And I said, they have, and I'm paraphrasing here, but I said something to the effect of they have totally, the premises, I said they have totally different premises. They're literally making the opposite joke. And nobody seems to agree with me on that because I don't even, I don't even know how to go back and check comments. What I know is if I go on TikTok and someone has responded to my comment, it just shows up at the top of my little TikTok page and I just see it for a minute and then it disappears. I don't even know how to get back to where it is. But what I've noticed is that there's been three comments that have popped up and they've all disagreed with me. So I guess I'm in the wrong here. I mean, again, you didn't get the full experience, but does that sound like they're recycling a sketch to you? Having just heard my description of it, which granted is my, my perspective, but I have given you an accurate description of what's happening in these sketches. Well, I guess my problem with this whole thing is, and I'm actually going to see if I can help you. If I'm wrong with this whole thing is, I haven't been paying attention. Is this something people care about? No. But I, I don't know what the joke, I mean, I, I guess I'm, I'm a little bit stuck on like, what is the joke of either one? It's like both of them are funny premises, I guess. You know, like I was even going to ask you, I didn't want to belabor it, but like, and maybe it's just unimportant, but like, how do they get out of the new sketch? Like it just seemed, it just seems long. It just seems really, really long. They keep taking the drag off of his cigarette. Yeah. I don't think I've made it to the end of an SNL sketch in a long time, sir. Right, right. So I don't know what you're saying though. What you're saying actually ultimately supports the people who are nagging me, which is it's not so much that there's a specific joke here, but that there's a kind of a set of circumstances. And like you were absolutely right when you said that this joke. Don't worry about it. I'm opening up Tiktok. I want to see if I can help you get to these comments. I think that like it, I think it comes down to the fact that like these were both like, I wish I could play the Will Forte one because really what sells the Will Forte one is he is just being a great A weirdo as the emperor. Every time he eats a grape, he goes, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo. And he buries the amount of whoo, whoo he does based on how much he's enjoying the grapes. But that's just like, is that a joke or is that just Will Forte being a very funny person in the world? Yeah. And like, by the way, this Finn Wolfheart kid, he's not up quite up to the Will Forte tasking of it. He's just sitting there getting food crammed into his face and it's funny because the food's making a mess. So in, I guess I am, I was too hung up potentially on the, the idea that in one case the person being force fed did not want to be force fed anymore. And in the other case, the person very much wanted to be fed more. I saw that as the joke. Yeah. That's why I was like, one joke is you give me less food. The joke is that Mikey Day is overzealous in how he feeds his his emperor. And then the other one, the joke was this emperor can't get enough grapes. And to me, the difference in that approach from the two characters made it a different sketch to me. It did not feel recycled. But the fact that, that didn't come through makes me think I'm probably wrong on this. Well, I, well, I just, I'm confused why the person would take the time to even create a TikTok. Well, I mean, why would anybody take the time to do anything? I mean, the stuff I put, you know, I was talking on the show earlier this week, like I'm obsessed with my little VHS tapes. And I've started like uploading some weird finds from my VHS tapes to TikTok. I've really been enjoying it. You can consider Tony Danza and Christopher Lloyd looking like absolute smoke shows on a golf cart. Weird content then. OK, sign me up. Two Zaddies, one cart. Absolutely. But they will think that we're talking about ourselves. And I'm not against it. Yeah. Cart in this case being pod cart. But I'm interested in what the, so first of all, I do want to see if I can help you get to find, find these comments. I can. Just go to your TikTok, open up your TikTok and near the bottom, you'll see four buttons, one that says home, one that says friends, one that has a plus button if you want to upload your own. Oh, by the way, and I'm going to dock you here. If anybody's looking to follow Luke on TikTok, I believe his, his username is 1x2z904. You sent me something the other day and it's from this morning. It's a burner account. It's a burner account. It's so that I can be snarkier on the Internet then I think is good for America. I mean, that's honestly what it is. It's like, so I can do the kind of your, your correction that I don't really stand by, but that I sometimes I'm in the mood for. They're there. They're there. You're your. So I think along the bottom, you should have four, five options, home, friends, plus button means adding new content. And then inbox. And if you hit inbox, are you seeing activity or anything? Yeah, I have a new follower. Oh, somebody really? Somebody followed your burner account? It wasn't me. Although I should follow you, see if I can get into these comments. It looks like a bot probably just based on the profile picture. Yeah. Anyway, I don't see, there's nothing here that like, oh no, no, messages, message requests of three new messages. Whoa. No, I just have three. These are all, these are all like bots. I don't think I've ever commented on a TikTok before. So I don't know for sure where to find this, but I thought it would be under your inbox, but I would have assumed too. I would think it'd be a message. That's probably something how I have it set up. And honestly, it's probably fine because like, again, what I was able to, what I was able to, and you know, here's what I will say about the discourse. It wasn't like, it was fairly civil. So like I said, I didn't go like, what an idiot. I just said, I go, these premises are totally different. They're literally making the opposite joke. I said, so I'm disagreeing, but I'm not like, hopefully I'm not making it personal. And then I think maybe the guy who's posted was said something like, oh shoot. Now this is why I wish I could see it because he was like, something like, are you familiar with the term different? Oh God, I want to see this so bad. I'll work on it. And you can search, like you can't find original videos on TikTok. Like I can't just type in like, SNL comparison sketch, great. You might be able to. You think so? I mean, I don't know what the, but like, he said something like, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't mean. It was more like, I was like, okay, this guy's actually pretty smart. I don't necessarily agree with him. It was something like the detail that doesn't define the difference. I don't know, it was some kind of a thing that it was again, it wasn't mean though. It was just kind of like, this is what I think it is. And then somebody else was kind of like, I forget what they said, but it done of it again, for the nano second that I caught these, these responses to my comment pop up, that nobody seemed like they were like really going over the line or losing their mind. It was, we just, you know, reasonable people can disagree without being unreasonable. Yeah. And I guess, like, I guess I don't agree or disagree with anybody. I would just weigh in to say that it's a, it's not like there is a joke. It's more like there's a funny premise for both of these. And the funny premise does sound similar, but it's just people being weird and showcasing it. And in a show, like if we were talking about the state, which I think only made like, this is a sketch show from MTV, from the nineties that ended up like kind of giving a lot of the people in the state are comedic, I don't know, household names, alt comedy household names, at least for me and you. But they only made like, I don't know, 16 episodes or something over the course of two or three seasons, you know, like they, if they were repeating a premise, then I would understand being like, what do you, what are you doing here? Thomas Lennon, I think he was in the state, right? But it's SNL, they've been cranking this stuff out for, and you're going back and saying, oh, they're doing, not you. One is going back and making a TikTok saying, man, they're making the same joke they made 15 years ago in a show that has to crank out a live episode, you know, once a week for half a year, however long their seasons are, it's just sort of like, what a weird, what a weird takedown for a show that's been around for 50 years. Right, well, I, okay, I got back to it, Andrew, I found it. I said, so I said, the premise could not be more different, literally making the opposite joke. And then the guy who posted the thing said, are you familiar with the phrase distinction without a difference? That was his response to me, fair, okay, by the way, 16 hearts for my comment. 16 hearts for your comment, how many hearts are his response? Zero. Okay. And then somebody named Branding said, yeah, and it seems like you don't know what it is. Your type of reasoning would be like saying that every premise that contains a cat is actually the same premise, and then calling it a distinction without a difference. When people, when people point out that the actual plot and jokes are completely different. So it would seem that someone's coming to my defense. Then someone called carpet blanket says it's the exact same premise, but the weird character is the eater, not the feeder. It's extremely similar. So that's guys in the category of the guy posted it. Now someone called tiktoker, which seems like a very general name to have on this web app. Seems like a very important person. And that is this the original tiktoker? Yeah, is this the Jack Dorsey of tiktok? Holy cow. He responds to the person who said it's the exact same premise. So this person says, no, the joke in the Finn one is that the food is disruptive to the negotiation. And in the Forte skit, the food is desired over the negotiation. It's also different source material, Dune versus some historical ancient Roman movie that was out at the time. Okay. See, that's interesting to almost a mad magazine approach to what SNL is doing. Like we're responding to what's in pop culture right now and they were two different premises. And then I don't know what this one means because again, I'm this is the first that I've ever dealt in the comments of other than posting the occasional hit and run. Yeah, I don't really know how these goes. But then what's weird is so the person, possibly the person in charge of tiktok tiktoker who just basically made my argument, then a response again. I wonder if I can't see this. He's responding. So he writes that whole thing that I just read to you about Dune versus historical ancient Roman movie. And then there's he's responding to the guy again, but I can't see what the guy wrote. No, all I can see is him. The next thing I see is tiktoker saying to the guy who posted the whole thing. Are you familiar with grass? Oh my gosh. And I don't know what that's a ref. I don't get what that's a reference to. Is that like touch the grass? Is this like somebody making fun of somebody? I don't know. I'm just asking is this like, you know, go touch grass like, like when people want to end an argument, but both of them seem guilty. Everybody is guilty in this conversation of not touching grass in this particular moment. So that's sort of weird. Maybe me at the highest level of non grass touching. Let me ask you this. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I'm just saying it's me. It's me like hold up in a hotel room, looking at tiktok, sending a, I don't know if it's snarky or not, but like a non positive response. And then then coming here and talking about it on my podcast, I feel like I haven't touched grass in a minute. What would be this is this is the stupidest question I've ever asked you. And I don't think it gets us any closer to the truth. But now that I have it formed in my head, I want to ask it. What would be the opposite of Tunis' the driving cat? So let's just say that this conversation started with that premise. Like would it be a dog driving a car? Tunis is the driving dog. No, I don't think so. It would be a cat preventing people from driving. It would be no, it would be a cat. Well, in my mind, it would be maybe a dog that is an excellent driver. A dog that's an excellent driver. Tunis is terrible. Every Tunis the driving cat episodes with the car going over, it ends with a car going over a cliff or whatever. Like that's the joke being boy, this cat would be bad at driving. And so to me, the joke is Tunis the cat is horrible at driving. So if we had Tunis the dog, who is F1, he's racing against Brad Pitt in F1 race and he's doing well. That to me, just because you had an animal in a car that was going fast, would not be recycling Tunis. It would be a new, I guess, premise or maybe it would be a new joke anyway that the dog's a really good driver. That's like a Zen cone thing. It's like a Zen cone head. Mass quantities of boring content being created by yours truly because of my lack of grass touching. All right, let's thank some donors. These wonderful, generous people are making TBTEL possible with their donations. Just a reminder, if you are somebody who's donating at a dazzling level, those emails are going out. And if you are so inclined that you wanted to send us a message that we can read as a thank you for your dazzling donation, please, again, check your inbox for that. Maybe check your spam folder. I know we've been having some issues around here with our connectivity, so particularly if you have Gmail, make sure that you're looking for that. In the meantime, we got to thank Melody Pfeiffer of Spokane, Washington. Thank you, Melody. I bet you it's chilly. If it's chilly here on the west side, I bet you it is quite cold in Spokane, Washington where Melody is. Hope you're staying warm, Mel. It's beautiful here. I even opened up my window a little bit, but then when I opened my window, I was like, whoa, it is cold outside, but it's just so nice when it's sunny like that. I just love getting a little bit of air. I'm starting to get that point of the winter where it's kind of like, we need to open some windows, you know, just generally speaking. You just, no matter how cold it is, like, you need air in the house. Totally. That's very European of you, too, particularly very sort of like Scandinavian or region Germanic. They love that move, which is the, like, particularly at night, it's like you open the window. The bedroom is like negative 20 degrees, but you're under a big feather down comforter, which is honestly, even as I'm just saying that, pretty damn cozy. What was your reaction to? I'm going to talk about a scene in Pluribus. It's really not a spoiler. It honestly is not, so, but warning anyway, I guess I'm going to describe a scene in Pluribus, but there's a scene where the main character and her partner, it's a flashback scene to the normal times. And they're visiting what northern country would that have been? I'm going to say Iceland, but maybe not. I might have been in Sweden. Or even Greenland, maybe? But it's the basic... I don't know about that. In the before times when we could go to Greenland, I guess, or in the future when it's, you know, you don't even need a passport. Why did I bring up Greenland? Anyway, it's some very icy country. Very, very icy place. And they're on some, you know, and they have money. She's a very famous popular novelist. And so they're on this very fancy vacation, but basically they are staying in a room that is completely made of ice. It's an ice tunnel and it's beautiful, but it's a bed made of ice. It's a bench made of ice. It's ice and they just have to say bundled up the whole time. And you could tell, like, it's the, in a certain way it's the height of luxury and adventure, but it also was just kind of like, you can miss it. You can miss me with that. Looked absolutely terrible. Like, and they look up and they see the Northern Lights. Remember? Yeah. Through the skylight or whatever. And I thought there ain't enough, there ain't enough Aurora Borealis for me to sleep on a block of ice. Yeah. Like I felt like, and by the way, that was referenced as like a Rick Steves recommendation. Oh, that's right. They name drop Rick Steves a couple of times in that show. Yeah. That was one of the times that he comes up that it was like recommended by Rick Steves. And I was like, okay. As a close personal friend, that was my Bill Maher. Okay. New rules. No, as a close personal friend who was recently stood up by Rick Steves after Livewire, I can say that I don't think he would recommend that place necessarily because it would be way too expensive in bougie. And like what Rick Steves would be saying is if you were going to go to whatever country that is that they're in, here are the, here are the ways that you can see the most of this country if in your like five days of doing this. Mm-hmm. So it actually, to my mind, doesn't seem like the place that he's not going like, you've got to go glamping when you're at such and such place. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's a good thing. If you go on safari, go to this place where like a bunch of locals, you know, build you this crazy tent and bring you all kinds of space food that they force feed you or whatever. Like that's not his vibe. So I thought it was kind of funny that they threw that in. That's interesting. But to your question, absolutely not. Like that looked so cold. Like I was like, you, there's not, I don't care that you're in a blanket, you're on a block of ice. Also, how, how hard is that ice? Right. Well, that, I think it's supposed to be Norway. I think it's supposed to represent Norway, Norwegian ice hotel. Gotcha. So, first of all, I think that's really interesting about the Rick Steves thing. As somebody who does not read travel writing, I had no idea. Like that, that, that distinction that you just brought up is actually really interesting. I think I think that's his move, which to be honest with you, I didn't even know till the like most recent time I was interviewing him on Livewire. He was saying that, you know, because I've read his books before, but I wasn't, you know, when I'm traveling and stuff, but I wasn't picking up on this ethos, which is like, he said something like most Americans get, I forget the numbers, like most Americans get 14 days off a year. And if they're going to spend 10 of those in some European country, I want them to get the absolute most return on that investment of their time versus like go all the way out to the hinterlands and find this one monastery that has the most incredible art on the ceiling, because that's going to kill two of your days. And which I kind of found that refreshing. Like that was to me a very like, I don't know, it was an unprecious approach to traveling. He's just like, Hey, it's a thing that I people should do and let's try to get the most out of it that we can. Man, it's just reminding me that I still haven't finished that Bill Bryson book that I started reading about Australia before we left Australia. The Big Burn or something? Down Under. I just had to look it up here. I guess it's just called Down Under that I thought I had a different name as well. So many people recommended that book and I never even cracked it. I got it. I think maybe somebody sent it to me or I got it. Maybe I just started reading it digitally. I don't know. But like I'm such a slow reader and also I just don't read nonfiction that much. Like I just think I really need a plot to get me to opposite. I know, I know it really does seem like that's a real divide. I mean, obviously big readers will read all kinds of stuff. But man, I am drawn to like something that gets me to turn the page a little bit more usually than, you know, a collection of humorous, interesting essays by Bill Bryson. It's just like, I don't know. But God, so many books that I have started and never finished. Luckily Eric Swalding of Sharpneck Stockholm, Sweden, Andrew. Look at that. I know. I saw that. I know that's not Norway, but it's pretty close. That's right. It's a lot closer than we are. And Eric was just hanging out. I was going to say, thankfully Eric does finish what he started because at some point he thought, I should donate to TBTL and then he did and he followed through. Please don't say finish when you're talking about somebody in Sweden. Absolutely not. But Eric, thank you. I mean, that was so apropos. And then this one is slightly less so, but still kind of amazing. Did you get that joke and not like it? Or did you not get it? No, I didn't get it. I was thinking, I was thinking of Finland. I was thinking, I just wanted to be clear what I was going for there. Not arguing that it was funny, but as sort of like making it sound like you were calling Eric finish instead of Swedish. Well, what you heard in my voice was me going, did I call him finish? Oh, no, you just said finish when he started. Because it was very possible. Yeah. No, but I was, I was like, oh man, did I, because, you know, I'm going to be honest with you. I do have a difficult time separating out some of these countries that are close to each other in, you know, I guess we would say sort of Scandinavia broadly. I have been to Finland. I've been to Espoo Finland and it was really, I went to a Nokia, like the Nokia headquarters, Nokia phone headquarters. Just for a Microsoft gig. Oh yeah. Right before. And it would. Never mind. What's that? I just have feelings about that. They basically acquired this, this proud national, like this company that was sort of a proud face of a country and they just destroyed it in what, two years? They just destroyed Nokia. Yeah, and it was so, it was a very weird, like it was, it was a, you know. So what's going on? I just thought you might want to hear that. What's the Nokia ringtone? Oh. Back in the day. I saw you looking for something and then I really thought something went off the rails there. No, that was actually, sadly, my friend, that was intentional. That was the joke. Anyway. No, you're absolutely right. I mean, that was such a strange play by Microsoft. I mean, I think the issue was they were losing to like the iPhone in the devices department. They didn't, they didn't, the phones, they were the physical phones, the hardware they were building wasn't catching on. The Windows phone. And so the Windows phone wasn't doing it. And so they thought, well, what we'll just do is we'll just go ahead and buy up a company that is successfully making the hardware, Nokia. And then I guess, I don't, I can't imagine that they paid all this money for Nokia with the plans of shutting it down. I think that they just, it was a bad idea. You know what I mean? So they effectively would happen was they bought this company and then they, and then they just stopped doing it. And in fact, and I've told this story before, one of the weirdest things was, you know, we went to make these, these video pieces and we went to Hungary as well. We went to a place called Comorom Hungary where I spent a day or two in this facility where they kind of, I think they fabricated and boxed up and sent out Nokia phones. I got to hang out with these really lovely people in Hungary. Wait, Hungary? I think it was Hungary. It wasn't Finland. I could, that, those are far enough geographically that I think I know the difference. But anyway, and then we got home and I think, I even think maybe the whole thing had been edited and that was when somebody sent an email that said, oh, no, no, no, we closed that down too. That was close. And this was before like the broad shutting down of the Nokia thing. It was just like, oh yeah, actually that place with all those nice people that you spent a couple days at that. That doesn't even like, we're not even doing that anymore. That's closed down. And that should have my first indication that this thing was going to go sideways. I don't know how any of this relates to Austria, Andrew, other than the fact that Julia Eimann is in. I'm going to go with Vien, Austria. I'm going to swap the V for the W. Although we call Vienna Vienna. We don't call it Vienna. Oh, yeah. Here, let's see if I can get any answers. But we would call like a, we would call a German wine a Gewürzdominer, but is that the V or the W? Oh, you know what this is? I think this is the local spelling for Vienna. I could be wrong, but when you type in, yes, it's spelled Vienna. So when I said Vienna, it was kind of, sort of on the right path, not quite, but thank you for that. Julia's in Vienna. I think. Or they make the fingers. I think it's exactly where I got mine. God, this is such an international show. We are such men of the world. We're kind of the Rick Steves of podcasting. I'll see you at the Mensa meeting later. Thank you, Julia. Thanks also to Seralia Pollock, who's in Cedar Park, Texas. Bringing it back home to the United States. That's right. Bringing it back home, baby, back to a place that provides less confusion for me. Thank you, Seralia. Thanks also to James and Eric. I think it's James, maybe James Bugle and Eric Hamilton. Oh, yes. Who are in Madison, Wisconsin. Yes. James and Eric, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Beautiful Madison. Also, I think extremely cold right now. Oh, my gosh. Can I look it up before we move on? It's about to be, oh, my God. There's about to be a cold wave that's going to sweep across the middle part of the United States. And I'm thinking about everybody who's out there, including Andrew, including... Oh, yeah, buddy. Our next donor, the one, the only, the Stubot, our friend, Steve Newman in St. Paul, Minnesota. I would be unsurprised if this misses Steve, because I feel like he's up to stuff. Like a lot of our friends are in the Twin Cities trying to take care of their neighbors and stay out there and mutually aid each other and themselves stay safe. There's a lot going on for folks out there, and we are thinking of all of you, including one of my favorite people in the world, the one, the only, the Stubot. Yeah, oh, yeah, buddy. Thank you. I like him so much that I'm deciding to play the drop that also then goes into his next drop. That's how you keep hearing it cut off at the end. I'm going to play this in all of its glory, starting with, yeah, oh, yeah, buddy. Yeah, oh, yeah, buddy. In Soviet Russia, coronavirus gets you. Why do you have those meldons together? He's left eye because I thought they're not. They just are in order. Oh, I see. I'm flying around the keyboard here, and I was searching for Steve Newman. And so when I found, like, basically, there's a couple of Steve Newman drops that are just, they come up under the search terms of that. But hey, Stubot, thanks, man. We love you. I hope you and Mandy are staying safe out there, and that, yeah, you're doing okay. Thanks to all of our donors. Thanks for making TBChill possible. Now more than ever, really and truly, like, community really matters. So thanks for this community. It wouldn't exist without all of you. So thank you. Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right, Ali. I kind of mentioned this a little bit already, but, you know, with all this stuff that's going on in Davos, which is, you know, a bunch of world leaders getting together, and Trump is over there and stuff. I saw, I didn't hear what he said, but I saw, like, a video, I guess, or maybe just photographs of Macron, the leader of France, wearing aviator sunglasses. And then I saw a piece in The New York Times explain, and I was like, is that a meme? Did somebody, like, this is how confusing the internet is now. Was it just a normal picture of him and then somebody superimposed aviators on to make him look more badass? Because he's inside. He's at the, like, the podium that all of the world leaders are taking their turns coming up and making their, you know, comments. And I thought, like, that can't be really how he looked indoors. That has to be something that someone's just trying to be like, he's a badass. He's giving Trump the business or something. But, uh... So, Sora, what is the AI generated? Yeah, Sora, good memory. You thought it was Sora, yeah. I thought it was, although, you know, they've now made it so that, like, you can get rid of that little watermark, and it's very small to it, bounces around in the corner, and kind of comes in and out. Like, that's a law that I would support, which is, like, AI, show yourself. Yeah. Like, you can't make it so subtle, because that's the idea, is like, they're kind of being, I'm now talking about Sora. Sorry. They're being, like... Suddenly. But you know what I mean? Sora. Sora, not Sora. I think Sora, not Sora, is also a good shot up. But, like, they totally, like... They have this little watermark that is there to let you know that this is an AI generated video, but they also make it extremely subtle, and very easy to miss. Um, but anyway, this wasn't Sora. This was actually Macron wearing these sunglasses. The New York Times. Why was Macron wearing sunglasses at Davos? An eye condition. Not a style choice. Prompted President Emmanuel Macron of France to Don Aviators to address the World Economic Forum. This is Francesca Regalato writing in the New York Times. Now, I would say it is true what they've said in the sub-headline, an eye condition. Not a style choice. But when I read that, my first thought was, oh, he has light sensitivity. Something is going on with his eyes, and it's causing light sensitivity. And, um, okay. That reminds me. I just made this reference a week or two ago, but I'm always reminded of the one-time Chicago Bears quarterback, Jim McMahon, who was the OG badass back in the 80s. He was, like, always getting in trouble with the commissioner of football for writing stuff on his headbands and being a wild man, and he wore sunglasses all the time. And the reason, uh, the story was that he had injured his eye. I try to say this in a way that's not too, sort of, uh, awful to consider, but when he was a kid, he was supposedly trying to get a knot undone on his shoes, and he was trying to use a fork to do it. Oh, God, okay. Enough. And that slipped, and he injured himself. That's the story. Who knows. I bet you if we went back, it could be something else. But he allegedly had light sensitivity, and what that meant was he wore sunglasses all the time, including inside. And I'll be honest with you, it was friggin' badass. So I thought, well, okay, maybe Macron's got light sensitivity. What I was kind of surprised as I read further into the article, well, first of all, when Macron goes up at this, the, uh, the World Economic Forum stage at Davos, or at the Davos stage, uh, Mr. Macron did not acknowledge his unconventional choice of spectacles during his 18-minute speech, which is like, that's also kind of a flex. Like, can you imagine, like, going up on that stage with fully tinted aviators and going, like, just not even saying, like, here's why I have these glasses on or whatever, just doing your whole presentation? Like, that takes a lot of confidence. Well, I haven't read this past the headline, and so while you were setting it up there, I was actually thinking that exact thing. I was thinking, well, if I were up there, or certain people were up there, you'd say, you know, sorry for the informal sunglasses, I'm, you know, I'm dealing with a condition. Got an eye condition. I feel like I would do that, but it's also like, I don't, I don't know if you know this. I've never been to the World Economic Forum before. I call it Weef, by the way. I'm trying to get that started. Yeah. Meet me at the Weef. I've got t-shirts made. I'm ready. I'm ready for next year, by the way. Hey, what's the, what's the Weef router in this place? The Weefy. Anyway, so, but I was just like, well, maybe it's just such a formal place that you're not going to start with a personal observation or like, you know what I mean? Like, maybe an explanation or anything personal. Anything about your, anything about your appearance, maybe that would be beneath. Maybe it's just such a, yeah, serious sort of thing, but I feel like other people, you know, I mean, Trump is speaking right now. Like, I'm sure he is saying things that are much worse than sorry for wearing informal eyewear. Exactly. Well, this is again, and this may be another, this may be another sort of parsing or a sort of a, another example of where I am on the wrong side of this, you might say, very mild disagreement with this reporter. But the reporter says, a medical issue, however, not the dictates of fashion prompted Mr. Macron to take the stage in Davos in a pair of blue tinted aviator style glasses. Didn't acknowledge them. The sunglasses made their first appearance last Thursday when he sported an inflamed right eye during a New Year's speech to France's armed forces. Please pardon, this is now Macron is talking to the armed forces of France. Please pardon the unsightly appearance of my eye, he told the troops, after removing the glasses for the speech, adding that the condition was, quote, completely harmless. So what we're talking about is a guy who's got an embarrassing kind of red eye condition. It is harmless to him and harmless to other people. It's, it's something medically that's described as sub conjunctivivial hemorrhage. So he's got some kind of redening in his eye. The reason that this felt so relatable to me is because I am constantly, even yesterday when I was doing that TV shoot dealing with something going on with my general head region. Including your eye for a long time. Including my eye for months and months. I see you just arch on this show. Exactly. And like, I, again, I completely related to the idea that he was like, one of my eyes is kind of red and looks weird. Or I don't want to say weird, but like, I don't like, here's what it really is. I can just imagine being a manual macron and being backstage or maybe more likely being at the hotel and being like, of all the days for this eye to be doing this, I got to go on stage at Davos. And what is the least bad version of this? Is it to go out there with just my eye? Is it to go out with one of those kind of pirate eye covers on that eye? Is it for me to just hold that eye closed? Is it for me to try to angle that eye away from everyone while still talking to the microphone? Is it for me to wear aviators and not comment on it? I have, again, I've also not been to Davos, Andrew, and I've never been in anything as this public or as important, but man, do I relate to trying to make the least bad thing happen out of no great options when it comes to having your face in front of a bunch of people. But I am confused about what your, do you feel like the word condition is being misused here? What did the reporter do that you feel like is one? I feel like the setup to this makes it sound like when they're talking about a medical, well, medical issue, okay, I'll allow that, but it reads to me, and I condition, not a style choice prompted, it was a style choice. The style choice was, I don't want people to see my red ass eye, and so I'm styling it by covering them with very tinted blue aviators. To me, that's the ultimate style choice. Like, if he had light sensitivity and his eyes could not handle the bright lights of the stage at Davos, that to me would be the medical condition dictating what he was doing. I think this was an aesthetic choice, because again, I can totally relate to being like, what is going to play the least embarrassing to me in this situation? And I think this is, to me, a style choice. He wanted to feel less embarrassed, which I totally understand. And so he thought this was going to be the thing that would feel the least embarrassing to him, which to me feels like a style choice, not a medical choice. Okay, so you have no issue with calling it a medical condition, because it is a medical condition. It is technically a medical condition, I don't have a problem with that. Yes, so medical and condition are fine. It's just the words not a style choice, because I mean, I guess that's what's hanging me up. You could say, well, I could just, as you like to say, and I don't like to say, I could just raw dog this. I could just raw dog this and just like not wear any glasses at all. Every now and then we get an email from somebody that's like, do you know the origin of that? Do you know what that means? Yes, don't further traumatize yourself. I got a 31 year old example of it in Los Angeles, California. Okay, now I don't like that. Soon to be 32. Okay, so anyway, he could just go without the glasses. He could wear a patch. He could wear like a pirate looking patch or he could just wear the kind of, when I was two years, pre two years old, I had to wear little patches over my eye because I had a lazy eye. And before I had glasses, I had to wear a patch over my eye, but I'm pretty sure just like a big like bandage or something like that, which probably was not very flattering. But whatever you're using to cover this up or not cover it up is some sort of a, I guess, sartorial choice for lack of a better word. I don't know if sartorial makes sense when you're talking about eyewear, but I guess I'm, I guess I can go along with you on that. It just doesn't bother me that much. I mean, the whole article is still worthwhile to say like, why was he wearing these glasses? Yes, 100% But you're just saying it wasn't a style choice. It's like, well, no, it was a style choice that was in reaction to something. True. Yes, well put. And I don't like, I don't have a, I don't, of course I don't have any problem with what Macron did. And I don't really have a huge problem with the article. I guess what I'm describing is my surprise based on the headline and everything else. When I got down to the point where I learned, oh, he's just embarrassed about his eye, you know, like, because that's a whole, that's a move that I really know. I know well. And I just, it's, it's, we don't usually, so I had this, like I had sort of nicked myself shaving a couple of days ago. Right under my nose. There's actually a term for that, that little divot. That's so funny. In your upper lip. I was watching Larry Sand, like old episodes of the Larry Sander show and they had a whole conversation about what do you call this area right here? And somebody said the cleft. And he's like, no, that's the chin. I literally heard this conversation like two days ago. And I always want to call it like the frenulum, but I think that's more down in the, that's down in the basement. Down in the basement, yeah. I think that's down in the basement maybe. But I cut myself shaving and then it wouldn't, well, it healed. It scabbed over, but then when I took a shower, so then I got up yesterday morning and the scab, the scab fell off, but it wasn't fully healed if that makes any sense. And so if, because if you have a little scab or something, you can, I have a little makeup and stuff I can put over it, which you can't cover up as something that is still injured. Yeah, something that's going to open to the air. Yeah, I don't want to be gross, but you can't, like, believe me, I've spent many years. In hotel bathroom staring going like, how do I cover this, this kind of mildly open sore up because the top of it is, it's not healed yet. Let's just say it doesn't have a scab over it. So yeah, the scab like washed off in the shower, but then what was under it was still needing to heal more. And so I spent all of yesterday on this shoot trying to like put a little bit of cover up on it, but not so much cover up that it looked. I couldn't figure out what was the like, what's the, what's the more, what's the more noticeable thing here? Too much makeup caked under my nose or no makeup and just like a kind of an obvious injury. And then I just kept going around and around on it. You don't have a fake mustache that you keep in your like kit. Well, here's the thing. I really was thinking, God, I wish, I mean, I wouldn't have known to grow a mustache in time, but I was really jealous of everyone who had facial hair. Cause I was like, I wouldn't even have to think about this if I had facial hair. It's not like a major thing. You would never even see it if I had a mustache. And I thought, man, there is so much stuff. If I could grow a beard like you, Andrew, there is so much stuff that's going on down here. I had no idea what's going on under this thing, man. I'm scared. We're talking about couch cushions yesterday. Imagine what's happening under this beard. I don't want to know. Why is there a crayon and four goldfish crackers down here? Is this a broken Lego? That was the last time you shaved. Right. I was like, I mean, you know, we've got the whole song here. My beard is a face hider. I guess I hadn't really fully considered it until I was looking around yesterday and feeling, and the thing too is, hey, I'm a particularly vain and also insecure person. Those are probably kind of related. The way that I tend to get myself out of that and what I was telling myself yesterday was no one is looking at you as closely as you are thinking they are. It's kind of a good way to think about ego death. No one is thinking about you as much as you think they are thinking about you, whether it's your appearance, whether it's just... And there's a relief in that. I was literally having to tell myself that in my mind yesterday as I was walking around doing these interviews with all these producers and actors and people. And it's like, you know, it's just... Because I can get so in my head, it's so... And the only thing I can think about. And then I'm trying to angle myself away from the camera, but the camera guy, Scott, is like, hey, Luke, can you scoot back over? Like, it looks more weird than I'm trying to talk to the camera. You know we need you on camera for this, right? I'm like, do we? Do we? So, anyway, all that is to say, I somehow feel even more... And I already felt deeply connected to Macron, but now I feel even more connected to him. I have been wondering, because aviator sunglasses are a very specific style. Yeah, sunglasses are a choice anyway. And I'm trying to think now, I'm somebody who never wears sunglasses. A couple of times in my adult life, I've tried getting prescription sunglasses. I think because maybe you and I were doing... Did you get some Ray-Bans that were prescription or something? No, see, that's the way to go. Ray-Ban would be the style frame to get... I did have some Ray-Bans that... Are these Ray-Bans? No, I had some Ray-Ban branded... Oh yeah, these that I'm wearing now happen to be Ray-Bans, but they're not that classic Ray-Ban sunglasses look. Waitfarer. Or just like whatever. Oh, is that the style, the Wayfarer? That's the name for that kind of real classic one. Just very iconic, obviously. But it's almost like sunglasses are such a statement that any sunglasses that you would choose to wear, especially in this particular situation, would be notable. But I do think there's some... I mean aviators really say kind of... And maybe that's good. You go on and think like, what is... I want to project an image of strength or whatever. So maybe it is the right choice. And of course, like Biden would wear those things. But they really are such a specific... I don't... I cannot even imagine me wearing them. I mean, is there anything more funny? Well, sure, there's a lot of funny things in the world. But like, imagine how ridiculous I would look with aviators on. I don't even know what kind of sunglasses I would put on. I don't think that's true, by the way, at all. I could see that on you. I mean, aviators... Aviators? Sure. Top gun style. That was one of the comparisons people were making to Macron, by the way. Yeah. They were calling him Tom Cruise. He kept saying, you're dangerous. No way. That was Iceman who said that. Never mind. I think you could pull those off. Honestly, like, the thing... It's already sort of too late for me, although I really... Well, that's not true. I have pretty much committed, I would say, for the last 15, 20 years, even though I was... What you hear me going around and around on is, I pretty much have committed to the Ray-Bans, the Wayfarers. But I've had some moments. Remember when I was really into those persoles that Steve McQueen wore in Bullet, and then an ex of mine said that they look like Batman sunglasses? I think we're all together. I remember the conversation on the show. I think we're at a Mariners game or the race of the horse track or something. But I don't remember what they look like. I've been trying to really stick with the Ray-Ban Wayfarers throughout my adult life, because whether the aviators, the Wayfarers, anything else, it feels like the key is, you just got to commit, and then it becomes like your thing, becomes your look. The other thing that I could have seen Macron doing, I don't know if he needs to wear any kind of prescription glasses, but he could have worn glasses that were more like prescription glasses that just happened to be tinted. Like happened to be, I guess that would be transition lenses. You don't want that. That is such no offense. That inside is a worse look than the aviators. That sort of in between that they can sometimes get stuck on or whatever, like a slight tint to glasses, I think is a really bad look. I think you have to go full sun glasses or clear glasses. I think that I would gravitate towards, you and I would not be able to hang out together, because I think I'd have to gravitate towards that Ray-Ban. Hey, we could be Ray-Ban buddies. You say, see Farer Wayfarer? Wayfarer. What about, what if you had worn, It's in like the Don Henley song, Boys of Summer. Wayfarer's on, baby. Oh really, he name drops them, really? I believe he does. What if he had come out, what if he had come out wearing like 2026 New Year's Eve glasses? How were they making those this year, by the way? I'm trying to think like, what were the... There's still 2026's. What were the holes? Yeah, what were the holes? Was it the... Oh, I bet you that you looked for the six. Oh, in the six, obviously. Oh, in the six, yeah. So they were just sort of off-centered, maybe, driving off your face like a train. 2027, he's just trying to get it started early. Yeah. Trying to think of, yeah, some of the things he could have done that would have been more distracting. He's got the Elton John type glasses on or something. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he did... The thing about those... The aviators that he had on is that they're so Biden-coded for me. Yeah. And maybe it's because my brain wants to go back to the like, what I can hold onto as the like, one or two positive images of Joe Biden at this point. The moments before the fall. Like kind of, like the kind of moments of like, when I was still, not to get political, but when I was still like many people thinking like, you know, he's more on the ball, or at least he's... There was something about him and the aviators, again, before things really publicly fell apart for him, where it was like, it was like kind of a fun, cool guy move, and it was kind of fun to feel like it's sort of trolling the ride a little bit, you know, just like, I liked that he liked aviators. And he wore those... Now, I would say he wore those though. I'm pretty sure his whole, at least, public life, right? Sure. So I don't even feel like it was much of his trolling thing. I think he wore those kind of pre-trolling culture. I think that's just how he looks, you know? No, you're right. But I don't think he was trolling them. But what, as, again, in this weird kind of time from when the rumors started that he was not fully, you know, doing particularly well, or I don't know, I don't even know how to describe what was real and not real at that time. It was full. Yeah, exactly. Because I also think he was still, I still think he was capable of being the president of the country. And I would take him in whatever state he's in right now. But that being said, there started to be this memification of him in the sunglasses on the right. I mean, sorry, on the left as a kind of like, Joe's got it. Yeah, that's right. And like, there'd be kind of like a funny thing where somebody would do something and then they kind of cut to like that image of Joe Biden. So I don't even mean he was doing it to troll. Yeah. But it was like the last time I felt like, oh yeah, maybe we got him. It was like many, now many, many years ago. But Joe Biden, maybe that's why I would see someone in Aviators and they're not Tom Cruise or they're not Goose or they're not, is everybody in Top Gun wearing Aviators? Probably because they're Aviators. That's what they do, they aviate. They aviate. The last thing I'll throw in today in the show is that Zaron Mamdani has announced the new mayor of New York that his aspiration, as he put it, is to put Bidets in Gracie Mansion, the home of the New York City mayor. And this article in The New York Times, by the way, is absolutely packed with data about what's going on with Bidets. And it's surprising. America is a real outlier. America is very slow to adopt the practice. And I guess I'm in a Bidet bubble because I am very into it and I think some of the people that I talk to, not you, Andrew, but others are also. But yeah, this New York Times article was talking about, I don't have it right in front of me now, but it was talking about basically how a lot of other countries, it's obviously been a big thing in Europe for a lot of years and other places, but that America is really, really slow to adopt this and in fact may never fully come around to it because it is one of those things if you don't grow up around it, it seems very weird to you. So I guess in a weird way, Andrew, I've thought of your pushback on it as being close-minded and frankly upsetting, but you are in the vast majority of people in this country. I am the weirdo and you are not the weirdo when it comes to this. Jen had installed one of those upstairs, but she's got a little bathroom that she mostly uses herself, so I don't even use that one. I don't even like to, since it's been installed, I don't even use that anymore. Well, that's what's happened here at my house, unfortunately, when people visit is nobody wants to go in the bathrooms with the weird toilet. It just seems very private. Like I said, there's something about sharing that device. I know that it's not rational. We share toilets, right? Like I understand there's probably more contact there, but I'm just saying it just seems like even if I were to use one, it would be like a red solo cup that I wrote my name on. Well, here's what I would say also, if you're ever in a pinch, if there's something going on at the other bathrooms in your house or if you're here at my house, Andrew, you don't have to use the bed... Just because a toilet has a bidet, it does not mean you have to use the bidet. It is a totally normally functioning toilet that flushes like normal and doesn't have to do anything to your frenulum if you don't want it to. So just so you know, it is... I wouldn't even hold it that close to my face. I'm mostly saying this to my family members that might be over here and who are now afraid to come to my house. But like a bidet toilet is just a regular... It's like an escalator that stopped moving. It's just stairs now. It's still stairs. You could just go to the bathroom about it and then wipe your backside or pee into it standing up or whatever your plan was that you would do with a normal toilet. You could still do that. You never even have to see that little wand. Never even have to come out. I just remembered that I was going to share with you a quick comment that I saw. We'll do that as an email segment in a second. But while we're sort of here in a little bit of the Badlands... Actually, do you have the Badlands? A lot of the Badlands, I sure do, my friend. The Badlands The Badlands Mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah Eee-aww Um, before we get into any kind of feedback from the listeners, I wanted to ask you what your plans are for this Sunday's NFL football game, the matchup between the Rams of Los Angeles and the Seattle Seahawks, because it's a big one. It's like dating Squiggy from. It is difficult. I will be in Miami, Florida with Becca. Oh, great. This is going early Saturday morning. So Friday night, doing live wire at the Reeser Theater in Beaverton. Everyone, please come see us. Lots of seats still available. Guy Branham, fun night. First thing Saturday morning, because tomorrow is actually Becca's birthday. So first thing Friday morning, or excuse me, Saturday morning, getting up, taking a very early flight from Portland to Miami, and then hanging out there a little bit on Saturday by the time we get there, and then Sunday, and then that game is going to be Sunday at 6.30 Miami time. And so when I say it's difficult, I don't really mean that. I mean, it is complicated for me because, first of all, Becca is obviously fine with me watching the game, but I don't have a cohort of people there. And I am a little bit... Saturday night when we watched it at the Eagles, it was so great because the game was never in question. It just... it removed all of the kind of weird, stressed energy around a game. In fact, very soon into the game, the main thing became what's Der's saying? Everyone looking on their phone to see if this had even caused even Der's is to feel happy about this whole game. That was right away because with the opening... First play. With the opening touchdown and the opening kickoff, everybody was like, is Der's complaining about this? I was joking. He says that we scored too early end of an era. Right. But, yeah. So Sunday night, I'm going to be either at like a sports bar in Miami with Bex, or I will be like in our hotel room, maybe whatever seems more fun to her, the thing is that I'm going to have to be working on. This is the complicated part, is like not becoming a monster human. And not having to be the last thing you do for the evening, I suppose, too, or knowing that you can be in an okay mindset, because I sort of think Saturday night, if you're taking this trip and you're going to be there early next week too, but you're doing some work from there, so you're real... And if this is a birthday trip specifically, there's probably some pressure, I would say probably some healthy pressure to optimize the weekend for birthday times. And it's totally actually self-generated, truthfully. Like it's not even like Becca's not like being a major bummer or being like, you better make this weekend fun. I just have this sense of like, I don't want Sunday night, I don't want to be in a pissy mood because they lost, or I don't want to be yelling things at the TV that I regret or being kind of like in the hotel room, it's actually an Airbnb technically, in the Airbnb pacing around like a monster. Well, if I can, I feel comfortable quoting my brother in what was a private conversation. He said to our text chain this morning, I'm on the hunt for a good place to watch the game. My wife has told me I can't watch it at home because I quote, stress her the fuck out. I saw that was one of the reasons I was on my mind, because I was like, well, you came up here last weekend for the game because of other reasons. But I was like, well, if your brothers might be joining us at the Eagles, could we have a repeat appearance? I would love that. That would be the biggest gathering in person of the fun loving criminals in a really long time. If we were able to kind of get Camaro there and Rodin there again. Rodin, Camaro, you, me. We could even maybe get Durs. Although Durs, I don't think we'll watch any important games at the Eagles because every time we go to watch a game at the Eagles, it's a bad outcome, which I felt that curse for a while too, but luckily that has turned around for me. But I don't know that we would be able to, I would actually honestly, just because of the whole, I would actually say Durs don't come to the Eagles because I would just worry about us actually affecting the outcome of the game as ridiculous as it sounds. Yes, whatever. I mean, honestly, everybody needs to do whatever we did last week, and I'm already violating that rule. Yeah, you are. I'm getting, because we're in the Badlands and because we haven't really debriefed on that game, the game against the Niners. It's very weird because leading up to the 49ers game, I was very stressed out about the fact that everybody was saying that the Seahawks were a major favorite. That was stressing me out, and now this week I'm stressed out because a lot of people think that the Rams are better than the Seahawks. Yeah. In other words, there is no sort of particular kind of speculation that causes me to not feel super nervous about the game. Yeah, I kind of, we didn't even really talk too much, or maybe at all, about Saturday's game with our Seahawks. But honestly, coming out of the weekend, and I need to be careful here because there's still probably some pretty raw feelings in Chicago. Like, I almost feel like that Bears loss was more, maybe because of the style of the game and the way the game ended and everything, and then going into overtime as opposed to a game that literally had a touchdown on kickoff, and then the team never looked back. That was a heartbreaker, and it was such a weird thing to root for because I was so, so heavily invested in the Bears winning because I just wanted the Bears to win. I was just rooting for them as a likable team. But then also because I was like the wolf in little red riding hood, just thinking like, yes, and the Bears are way. Well, right. Much rather, no offense, but like, I wanted the Bears to win just because I wanted them to win. But also, I just think that the matchup between the Bears and the Seahawks was way more favorable to the Seahawks compared to, I'm not saying that it was an easy matchup, but compared to facing the Rams. But on the other hand, if you're just going to sort of judge this from like almost like try to back away from the personal feelings we have rooting for our hometown team, it almost feels like this had to happen, right? A rubber match between the Rams and the Seahawks, the NFC West meetup again. Like it sort of feels like this was always meant to be, but man, did I prefer to face the Bears. Yes, and I kept saying to people, I was like talking to folks, because I was in Chicago last week doing Wait, Wait. And I was talking to a lot of Bears fans and folks that are associated with like the show. And I kept saying, look, and I was saying this to our Pal, television's Chris Hayes too, it was like, if we could get to a Bears Seahawks NFC championship matchup and the Bears did beat us, I would be so bummed, but I would be so happy the Bears were moving on. It would be sort of a balm. And I wouldn't have taken as much pleasure in beating the Bears because I like that franchise and I like a lot of people up and be Bears fans. And it's just like the stakes are just so incredibly high for this game because I don't like the Rams and I don't wish them well in particular. That's not true. I don't have, I'm, I'm, I don't feel as warmly towards them as I do the Bears and them beating us would just straight up suck. There would be no upside to it. The Bears getting to go to the Super Bowl, there would be some upside. A lot of people I really like would be super happy and the city I really like would be super happy. I don't feel that way about us and the Rams. So that just means, but if we win by the way that the other side of that coin is it's even more, it's even more delicious. It's more delicious. But, but as far as the sort of how I feel about the game itself, obviously losing Charbonne is not a great development. Although, you know, Ken Walker, the third has been looking very, very, very good. And if he can continue to run that hard and they just have to lean on him more and also this guy, George Hulani, which I don't even know if he's activated, but we had this guy, George Hulani, who was really good in the preseason. Like he was an exciting player. He's a running back and he can do a lot on the field. I think he's just been lower on the depth track. Well, and I think he was injured, but also I think it just, I mean, that's why people kept saying like, well, who, who will the Seahawks use for their second running back? I don't know whoever the third running back was put him in there like run Ken Walker, the third initially soften up the defense. And then I mean, running back, there's a reason that I don't want to take anything away from Ken Walker, the third or Charbonne, but like there's a reason why the position of running back in the NFL is underpaid and undervalued these days compared to how it used to be. And it's because if you have a good blocking scheme and a good passing game, which kind of opens it up for the running back, there are a lot of people that can run for a lot of yards in the NFL. It's kind of seen to a degree, unless you're Derek Henry or somebody truly special, like named five running backs in the league. It's hard to do because it's a workman like position now. It's the person who gets the ball and runs really hard into the, into where the small gap has been opened up by your blockers. And if they've done a good job, you get some yards and if they haven't, you don't. But like it's not the way that it used to be in the, in the days that I was coming up where the running back was like the quarterback was maybe the most important and then the running back, maybe the running back was more important than the quarterback. For some reason, the league has shifted. All that is to say, I don't feel great about the Charbonne thing, but I also don't feel like that's, that's not like us losing Donald. And I just think our defense is phenomenal. And I think our defense is, I mean, we really shut Matt Stafford down the first game. We held him pretty well in check the second game. We did win the second game because of a total fluke, speaking of Charbonne, that weird two point conversion that got picked up. If that doesn't happen, we don't tie the game. We don't win the game. But also, also wasn't that sort of a game that really, really was on the back of those two running backs though? Am I misremembering that? Wasn't our last matchup with, didn't we like run a lot? Didn't we take the ball out of Donald's hands a lot with that game? Yes. And I think we, I think we've been kind of doing that. I think we've been doing that actively for the last six games or something. I think that there was like a decision that was made probably when Donald started getting more turnovers with Clint Kubiak. That was like, look, our defense, and also, by the way, our defense is like improved every single week. It's just getting better and faster and scarier. And like, also there is this sort of saying, but I think it's probably kind of true, which is like defense wins championships. Like, we have the best defense in the NFL and that's, I guess I would just say like as nervous as I am about the Rams, I'd still rather be the Seahawks at home with our defense than the Rams coming in to play us. Which doesn't mean I'm like feeling super confident, but I'd rather be us than them. Well, let's go back to your personal life if we can here for a second because that's where things are real good. Real juicy. Yes. Did you, and it's okay if you don't want to say, but did you say what city you're going to? Miami. Miami. Okay, Miami. So have you thought about going, you mentioned that you could stay at the Airbnb and watch it or maybe go to a sports bar. Have you done any looking into like actual Seahawks bar so that if it is a loss, you're around a bunch of other people who are basically kind of in the same mood as you. I sort of feel like that's a place where you can sort of absorb your feelings a little bit and then move on with your evening. I'm doing this had literally not occurred to me. I think because Andrew, Miami is geographically almost as far as you can go in the contiguous United States from the Seahawks. That it even occurred to me that there might actually be a Seahawks bar, but I should look that up. I'm kind of doing a little quick. I think almost every because I think almost every city has them because like I, you know, found my Browns bar here in Seattle when I was in LA. I found the Seahawks bars. I know that there's geographically not well. Oh, sorry. Keep going. No, go ahead. What would you find? I'm seeing somebody called Queen Diva on Instagram said there's not an official Seahawks bar in Miami, but we're making one tonight. And that's from three days ago. Okay. That would have been. Okay. So let's see here. But it doesn't, I may have to DM. I have to slide into Queen Diva's DMs to go, where did you make it? The official Seahawks bar because it doesn't say it just says it's like a photograph of her and someone else. And they're wearing Seahawks stuff and it says not an official Seahawks bar in Miami, but we're making one tonight. Go Hawks 12 for life baby. But it doesn't say what the bar is. This is interesting. Yeah, because I'm looking now the Seahawks on their actual website. They have a link to all the official bar, all the official Seahawks bars, but they're all like kind of in Washington state. Yes, I was, I was already surfing that one and not seeing anything like so. I don't know. I mean, the other thing about like a team like Cleveland, they've been around so long and they got so many diehard fans over the years that I do. I would imagine there's a Cleveland bar in every major city in America. I believe it or not could see a world in which there's not a Seahawks bar in Miami. And then also again, it comes down to kind of, I don't know, the scene that Becca is going to have the most fun. And maybe that's we go to a bar and watch it. Where, of course, what do you think the chance are there's going to be a bunch of Rams poseurs in a Miami bar versus a bunch of Seahawks fan? I feel like there's going to be a lot of Rams. You feel like you're going to be more Ram country. I did find a list from, but this, this isn't looking super promising, but this is the Seahawks subreddit. I can't tell what year this was posted. Oh, this is just their wiki. So that means they probably keep this somewhat up to date. And it's just a list of a whole bunch of different states and cities and where the Seahawks bars are. And the one that is listed for Miami, and this is going to take more, like I want to research this for you because I did this for myself and other states, is a bowling alley called Splitsville. But it looks like it's kind of more of a hipster modern bowling alley. Yeah, one of those lucky strike deals. The imagery on its website is very like kind of leaning into the classic vibe of old school bowling. But to have this style and design, you can tell that there's somebody who's embracing it from a more modern standpoint sort of, you know, but it says, not your typical bowling alley menu. They have pizza and burgers or whatever. And I'm looking to see under events, are they, let's see here, they might not even be in Miami anymore. I think they need to update their thing. I'm only saying what I could do. We could go to Key West. Tampa. Okay. All the way down to Key West. And then if we lose, I could just get in the water and start swimming towards Cuba. It's only like 60 miles. They've got a sign. That would be interesting. Well, the funny part Andrew is I've watched a Seahawks game in Miami within the last like four and a half weeks. I watched it at the Clevelander. Remember. Oh, that's right. Yeah. But it wasn't, that was a weird game. Well, first of all, they had like, there was like 10 games going because it wasn't the playoffs. And I wasn't wearing any Seahawks gear. I was just at a table by myself eating fish tacos, watching that on one of like 50 screens. There didn't seem, there was mostly playing regga-tone music. It didn't feel, it didn't feel almost like they had the games on, but it almost wasn't like the emphasis of what was going on in the place. So, I mean, it's also the chance. I mean, our Airbnb is like an apartment. It has a balcony. It's got a kitchen and stuff. It's presumably got like a TV. Like it's, so that would also not be the craziest thing to just like maybe get some food or make some football snacks and kind of watch it there. Again, what I've just got to, A, I've got to check in with Becca about what sounds fun to her. And B, I've got to really, really keep my sort of keep my behavior in check so that I don't, A, let the, let the outcome, if it's not great, ruin my, my week and my weekend. And I also need to not like, not just become energetically someone who's very kind of unfun to be around. You know, just even in the watching of the game. Like I can't just be like screaming and yelling because like, I know what that's like. Like you pick up, I don't like it when the housekeeping person knocks too sharply on my door. You know, it doesn't take much. So that's, you know, and where we, like, where we hear, you know, in the Portland area, probably it'd be a thing where I was just going to watch it here by myself or maybe I'd go to a sports bar in Portland. But it's like, it's not watching the Seahawks is not a thing that Becca and I particularly feel the need to do together. But now here we are, we're going to be in the 305 together when the Seahawks are playing the most meaningful game of the last, what, 10 years for them or something. You know what, you know what, I have a whole new outlook on this. So we, I got too obsessed with the idea of finding a, finding a Seattle Seahawks bar specifically. And I thought, well, that way, like if it's the worst case scenario, you don't have to, Elyon Gonzalez, or, reverse Elyon Gonzalez myself. Elyon Gonzalez yourself. A classic reverse Elyon. Shout out to the 20 people who get that reference. But I, but you know, it is a game, this isn't regular season. This is a game that will be the only football game on. This will be the only thing on any TV and any bar that has televisions, most likely. So what you're going to do is now I'm actually getting jealous. Now I'm actually wondering if me and David should just go meet you in Miami. I don't think I've ever been to Miami before. And I really do like Florida. Easy six and a half hour. But just go to a beach bar, go to a bar that is kind of half inside, half outside. If Becca's not super into the game, she can have a table, maybe even a Shays long or something. I don't know how to say that. Just say lounge, probably Shays lounge. And just like, you know, some frozen cocktails, you can kind of stay in the more shadowy area underneath the roof, the thatched roof, and like you can be rooting on the team. This is what you want. This is what I want. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. Now, the only bummer is it's like that, the play, that Cleveland or that I went to and everything along that strip, which is like, like South Beach, you know, right in the heart of South Beach, the only, I love what you're saying here. The problem is it has real like college bar vibes. You know what I mean? It has real kind of like, you can definitely order some kind of drink that they bring out in like a plastic cup that has some kind of light in it. That's lighting up the cup while someone's blowing a whistle and giving in like, the waitress is wearing a very tight fitting outfit kind of a vibe, like kind of sticky floors. Not like, I wish there was something that was like a fun and you know what, I just need to do my research, but I'm sure there's got to be a fun beach bar that's not that because that's what the Clevelander was. And I was like, no, thanks. No. A more grown up fun beach bar. You're right though. Like I hear what you're saying, which is like it in a way, in a really healthy way, de-emphasizes the Seahawks just enough. I can see the game. I can see what's going on, but I can be reminded that there is life after Seahawks. And that we have the Atlantic Ocean right over there. And that might also not be the least, that might be a nice thing for Becca to have other kind of interesting things to go on. Maybe she takes a stroll up or down Collins or Ocean or whichever one of the streets we end up on. But yeah, maybe just making it a beachfront experience where hopefully now, you know, the last time, oh my gosh, this takes me back. I watched the Seahawks lose to the Niners when we got stoned on the one yard line. I don't remember this game. I don't know. And I was in Tulum, Mexico, and I was watching it and there was the only people, and this was either a playoff game or it might have been the last game of the season that stopped us from going to the playoffs. It was like this at the end of this game, things were over for us, but we still had Russell, of course, I believe, I think. And the game ended on fourth in goal and us trying to go to the goal and the Niners stopping us on the one yard line. I think I want to say on a quarterback sneak or a pass across the middle. And I will tell you, I think it helped to be in Tulum, Mexico. I think it took the edge off. Like I think it like, because then I just like, well, I guess I'll run a motor scooter and go drive down to a cenote. So maybe that's, yeah, I've got actually some history of watching these games because of the time of year they happen. I've got some history of watching them in tropical places and maybe that's the way to go. Maybe that's the reason I'm getting so excited for now my trip to Miami when I meet you down there because now it's a little bit different because Genevieve likes football more than Becca does. And so Genevieve will get into this too. For the record, Becca is not anti-football. No, no, no, but Genevieve likes... It just kind of like doesn't have a strong opinion. But Genevieve would get excited for it, you know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm not trying to disrespect anyone, but Genevieve likes... So I remember she and I were in Mexico for some, you know, it must have been some Sunday and this is going back probably 10 years as well. And I don't remember the details of the game at all. What I remember is getting a bucket of beer and like there are so few occurrences in my life, even while on vacation, that getting a bucket of beer makes sense, especially if it's just the two of us. But there's something so nice and I do believe this was like an outdoor bar, but that was totally covered, you know, like again with some sort of a... How do you describe the grass? A palapa? Is that a palapa or whatever? So you can totally see the TVs, tons of TVs, but we're also like outside and you're parking yourself there for three hours. So would we like a bucket of mini-coronas or full-size-coronas or whatever it was? Yes, please. Mm-hmm. Porfavor. I'm looking... I don't remember how to say it in Spanish. I nailed it. I'm on the map here and I'm just looking at like where the Airbnb is and what's kind of what's walkable, what's going to be near us. And this is, yeah, this is going to be a mission. I'm going to definitely... Because also we're not staying exactly... Well, we're not very far at all. In fact, we're very close walking distance to all that stuff I was near last time. But yeah, you know what, Andrew, I think we've actually... We've done some important work here. Not so much for the listeners, but for me and for Becca, which is that's the move probably more so than like... Because I mean, there's already going to be enough me being in the Airbnb room talking into this microphone to you and to Livewire and stuff like that. Like, we've got to cut down on the time when that's happening. Just being outside in the world, enjoying the world is... Mm-hmm. ...the world of Miami. Particularly because Sunday is also... Now, granted, the game doesn't start till 6.30, which actually that's a... That's a lucky... It's a lucky thing because like... We... There's one really nice day on the calendar and it's Sunday. And if like somehow the game was at like 1pm on Sunday... No. Now, I guess we could do the beach bar idea, but you know what I mean? Like, if the one reliably beautiful afternoon was me like pacing back and forth indoors where I could see a TV, that would also really play poorly. Yeah, then it's an evening game on the East Coast, which is really nice. It's an evening game out there in Miami. It's 6.30. Yeah. And then it's like, well, the sun will have set. It'll be... It'll be, you know, it'll be manageable, I guess. That actually sounds really great. I'm excited for you. Find the right place. This could be manageable. Yeah. Well, we'll get a full update on Monday. Nice. It'll be like... I'll probably get photos of Paradise. I think you will. And depending on how the game goes, the text either of the very angry or the very jubilant kind, or maybe both within the same game. That seems like the move. Do me a favor. I know we're running long. Just hit that. I'm gonna make this real fast. I got the sound effect ready to go, bro. I hate it. I hate it. Oh, once again, with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female. All right. We've got a message from a listener. This is just... Of one kind or another. It's more of a question than a comment. More of a comment than a question. No. I just saw something on the TBTL Slack, which by the way, if you ever... That's kind of where a lot of social media conversations about and with TBTL happen these days. You can go to tbtl.net and look for the Slack link on our Contact Us page. The Facebook page has been absolutely... It's gone deep. It's on deep cover these days. Yeah, it is. I literally can't... You can't find it. I don't think I know how to get on it. Like sometimes when I'm doing that jogging thing for the thaw, and I have to try to refine... I have to ask permission again. I mean, peace and love, whatever's going on over there, you know, hey, we don't run that thing. It must be dark. It must get dark. What are they doing? It is impossible to get to the Stens page anymore if you're not already on there. I guess who knows why or what. But yeah, so the Slack is a place where people who aren't already on the Stens page can't interact if you're wondering where the listeners be. I saw a note here from listener Karen that I'm going to share with you in a moment, but it also brought something to my attention, and I thought as a long time public radio nerd this would hit you where it hurts as well. Did you know that Dr. Zorba Pastors show was canceled on Wisconsin Public Radio about six months ago? And were you not a D'Zorba pastor not Ring of Bell to you? No, I don't know the Dr. Zorba pastor lore. I don't know much about it either. I wasn't a regular listener to it, but I just think of it as one of those old school Midwest public radio shows that was produced out of Wisconsin, and then you could hear it depending on which stations around the country happened to carry it, but it was distributed and you would hear it, I don't know, on a Saturday at some weird time. I can't remember what it was called right now. It was like something with Dr. Zorba pastor or something. Yeah, it was called Zorba pastor on your health. On your health, exactly. For your health. For your health. Speaking of faith. Wow, what happened? What did the listener say? I think budget stuff. I think so anyway, but there are notes. So anyway, Dr. Zorba pastor is not one to stay down and is now podcasting independently, I believe. Oh yeah, I mean stay well with Dr. Zorba pastor. Stay well with Dr. Zorba pastor. So anyway, Karen says, now this is how it comes back to us. On a recent episode of a different podcast, Dr. Zorba pastor's new one for any Wisconsin public radio listeners, Zorba said that he likes to listen to an old tiny radio show about an insurance adjuster. Oh my God, Johnny Dollar. And I knew it was going to be Johnny Dollar before he even said it. We have kindred spirits in the good dock says Karen. We can get him on. We can do it. We're always talking about cross promotion on this show. It should be really fun. It should be fun. I'm not super familiar with the Marvel Cinematic Zorba verse, but I would get familiarize myself with it. Absolutely. And Lord knows I don't go to the real doctor enough. I mean by that I mean my physician. Yeah. I just found out something that we have all kinds of like acupuncture and massage that I supposedly can get the executive director of Livewire. It was like, hey, everyone make sure you're availing yourselves of basically our insurance is it's such a big part of the budget of the show. They're like, if we're paying for this, everyone try to go to this. Okay. Right. And I was like, I should do that. I should do that. Get yourself a massage. There's one right around the corner. There's actually a couple right in my neighborhood that you might want to check out. Oh, sure. Yeah. Are those in my plan? Kaiser? I don't know. Healing hands. Take Kaiser. I'm not sure. Get you a foot massage too if you're so inclined. Critically does Zorba Pastor give massage? I mean, I don't know if that's part of his sort of education. And I know that he and his wife have been involved in the independent independence movement since the 1960s. That's all on the men. Zorba Pastor's got a robust Wikipedia page too. Yeah. And I don't know Zorba Pastor's age. I truly don't. I don't even know what Zorba Pastor looks like. But if you were doing a radio show- That's exactly like you would imagine Zorba Pastor would look. So my guess, I was sort of thinking like 35 years on the radio. And I think that I saw it was budget cuts. I don't think it was him walking away from his radio show. You could see yourself retiring, right? But he is drawn to the microphone. I'm just sort of assuming that he's retirement age. He has, Andrew, maybe the most intense Cisco Morris vibes you've ever seen. You have ever seen. He's got a beautiful mustache. Yes, he does. It looks like he's a relatively spry yet somewhat diminutive guy with a beautiful stash and an obvious charisma. Like he seems like the Cisco of medicine in the Midwest. Oh la la. I love that. The Cisco. Yes, it's beautiful. Beautiful purple balls. People call in about that sometimes to doctors or the pastor. That's right. Yeah. Does this look infected? He goes, oh, you've got beautiful purple balls. Which is one of the reasons. He was pulled from the air, if I understand it correctly. They just tried to save his dignity by calling a budget thing. No, I don't want to joke about this too much. But it looks like he wrote a very, very nice sort of farewell note to his listeners about six months ago that I'm filming now. My guess is that he's doing this and still doing it for the love of the game. The guy's been a physician for many years. I'm guessing that he, at his age, could, I think about 78, it looks like, probably has worked a hard, a long life of working diligently and probably financially is able to retire but has yet to, at least from this stuff, because he loves doing it, which is very, very different than me. Yes, exactly. You just want your bag, as they say. I will never be able to retire. In the words of the Tiger King, I will never financially recover from this. Let's get out of here. All right. Hey, thanks for listening, everybody. We are going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. So please join us for that. I want to talk about aspirational clutter tomorrow. Has this made it onto spotless yet? No, but interesting concept. I tried to read the article that you sent me, but it's behind a paywall, so I couldn't. But I'm really interested in hearing about it, and it may relate to something that is now sitting in the middle of our dining room table that I like and thought it was accidental decoration that I was ready to keep. But Genevieve thinks I'm out of my gourd. Uh-huh. When I thought of you, not because I think that you have a lot of aspirational stuff, but I know you talk about your attachment sometimes to things and knickknacks. So we'll talk aspirational clutter tomorrow, and we'll do some blurs days. And whatever else comes into our little brains. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, everybody have a great Wednesday. Stay safe thinking of all of our friends in the great state of Minnesota. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. Oh, hey guys. It's Joel in Chicago, a long time and first time, anything, or, um, and I was inspired listening to last episode to do this. I wake up in the morning and I roll out of bed. I consider shaving, but there's too much space on my head. Cause my beard is a face hider. My beard hides my face. My beard is a face hider. My beard hides my face. There you go. There's your death cap. Be your face. Power out.