#587 - Kane Brown on Losing $10M, Family Trauma & Picking His Top 5 Songs

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. I just not redid my deal to make it kind of fair, like just now. No way. How much money do you think you've given away that you probably shouldn't have had to give away? Ten million. The guest on today's Bobby cast is Cain Brown. I love Cain known him for a while. He's got so many massive songs. Heaven, what ifs, one Mississippi. He's got 13 number ones. He's got new music on the way. He's got a song called Woman that just came out. I hope you check that out. He's got a bar on Broadway here in Nashville called Cain Brown's on Broadway. We talk about that. He's even acting. And so his first movie, the token groomsman with Taylor Lautner, which is pretty cool, considering he first blew up posting cover songs on Facebook. He's a husband, a dad of three. He's a friend of mine. Here he is. Cain Brown. All right. Good to see you, buddy. Good to see you. Couple things. Did you eat a trace megos when you were a kid? I love tracing megos. Yeah, I've heard it's pretty good. One of my my friends here was like, first thing I want you to ask Cain, did he eat trace megos as a kid? As I thought, is tracing megos not only a Chattanooga thing? I don't know. I never seen Trace Megos. So yeah, they must be from Chattanooga. Is that that's the only place I've seen it, but it's fire. Was it a frequent for you? Yeah, it's pretty much like after every football, baseball game or practice, we would go to trace megos. Now we're in the middle of the episode, but I do hear your manager outside. Yeah. She's the only one I would let come in during a recording. Come in. Come in. And they left. Oh, she's calling me now. The answer, we're on. We're we're live here. We've never. Hello. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Did you just walk in? Yeah. Bobby said you're the only person that he would let walk in. So during a live, during the live. Yeah. So come in. Yeah. There she is. We hear you. Come on in. Come in. We're in the middle. Come in. You're here. We're in the middle of the episode. Yeah. Sit down. I promise you, I literally said to Cain and we usually sometimes we don't even allow people in here. But I said, you're the only person I would ever allow to come in mid episode. So. How are we doing? Sorry, I totally ruined the entire flow of the entire. This is the flow. You have not ruined anything. We are still rolling. Everybody watching on Netflix is like, what's happening? I want to ask you a question about your manager. Okay. Because I think this is interesting because I think I didn't know what a manager did until I moved here and was like, had stuff happening in there like you need a manager. Yeah. And I'm like, what does that even mean? Like what does a manager do for you? What doesn't she do? She does everything. Yeah. I mean, literally everything, everything other than create the music. So you're not in like witness protection, right? Okay. Well, what's your manager's name? Martha Earls. And so how did you meet Martha? So I met Martha through this guy. Well, I met it through Jay Frank, who has passed away now, but he originally found me, well, this other guy, Sean Pace, found me on Facebook and he worked for Jay Frank. It's a crazy story. I was about to have a falling out with him. I told him, they basically gave up on me. And I told him, I'm about to leave. Yada, yada, yada. And they were like, what can we do to get you to stay? And he had introduced me to Martha at one point. And I said, the only way that I will stay with you is if I work with Martha. So he transferred me to Martha and we've been working together ever since. But what does that then mean? Because was she at this big fancy manager with with huge clients? No, no, she she had worked with an artist before and she's so weird. That she's right there. I know, but she deserves. She came in late. So we were openly going. But she had been in the business for a long time. She knew a lot of people in the industry. She was so sweet when I first met her. I didn't know anything about her whenever I said I wanted to work with her. She just seemed engaged. And if Jay Frank was also well known in Nashville. So I was like, if he's introducing me to her, she's obviously can do something. And then our careers just been thriving ever since. So is that like the early strategy of how to make you a legitimate recording artist? Did you have a label? Like, was she involved in that process? Does the manager help do that? I said, I was that's another thing. I was kind of forced to sign on my label and also nobody knows this either. Yeah, I can go down a rabbit hole with you. I make just for all the holes. Netflix. Yeah, I've been waiting. You know, I'm just now starting to feel comfortable about talking about things. No, I mean, I feel like I know you and love you outside of this. But yeah, I don't know this. So I'll sit back and enjoy the show. All right, let's get it. So just normal kid trying to make it on Facebook, eventually go viral. Sean Pace, the guy I was just talking about, eventually finds me. I don't remember what comes first. He signs me to I'm just going to say his name. He signs me to or he introduces me to. So I'm sleeping in my car and all kinds of stuff just to work with this guy. Where? Where? Where? Where's Atlanta? So he's down there. Yeah, I'm sleeping in my Honda. I'm driving all the way down there. I'm living in an apartment up here. So still I was making iTunes money, but I couldn't afford to just get a hotel and all that stuff. So going back and forth, the introduce me to Jay Frank. I signed a management deal with Jay, but I'm still going down to see just to work on music and stuff because he wants to. He's hungry. Anyway, he signs me to a deal and it's 50 50. But I was just so excited to get signed. That I couldn't wait. I didn't have anybody. I didn't have my mom and have my dad on my side. So I just signed a 50 50 deal. Now, explain why that's not typical. You 50 50. What's a normal deal? I honestly, I couldn't even tell you. I couldn't even tell you. I just what is a normal deal? It's like, yeah, it's like 85 15, right? Yeah, but for him, I don't even I don't even know what I signed for him, though. I just know he was in the industry. Yeah, it was terrible. It feels like one of the boyband deals from back in the 90s when they didn't know what they were signing. Yeah, honestly, it was awful. And it literally killed my career, like tens of millions of dollars that I have not got. Well, how did how so because because he's he's he got it for so long. Like I was forced to sign to Sony. So you're even forced to sign with the label because was he like attached to the label? He was attached to L.A. Reed. L.A. Reed said no to me whenever he. So once I saw him start shopping me around to different labels. Once I went viral, every label I wasn't viral yet. When I saw I had like I was getting five thousand, ten thousand likes. Literally something when I signed with him, like the next day, my socials just blew up. Blew up. He even thought he was like, bro, you're buying these. These are fake. I said, I promise you, this is not fake. So then every label New York, L.A. Nashville, everybody's coming at me. He showed me the L.A. Reed. L.A. Reed said no. So he thinks it's free game. Well, his contract that he has with L.A. Reed says L.A. Reed gets first look. So then once I actually went viral, L.A. Reed came back and said, no, you have to sign him. But he already said no. Yeah, you already said no, but. But now it's yes. Yeah, now because there's some virility to your your art. Yeah. So now you you're stuck. You're with that label. Yes. And I love Sony. I'm not. This is not against Sony. I love Sony. I was forced to sign with Sony. They've been good to me, but they've also it's just been it's been so long. I just now I'm just now getting I just now read did my deal to make it kind of fair, like just now. No way. That's why I've been worried my whole career, because I'm like, I'm not getting what I should. And if it was to go away today, I think I could be fine. But I don't have what I think a lot of people think that I have. How much money do you think you've given away that you probably shouldn't have had to give away? Ten million. I asked my business manager. I've got screwed out of that. How do you not stay angry at that? Because I'm blessed of what I have. And I could be still a FedEx. I can support my family. We would be living a little bit different life. I would be able to give a little bit more away, you know, but. It is what it is. God's got a plan for me. I'd have to do a lot of praying. I'd have to do a lot of praying for a lot of like forgiveness or forget. Because I because everybody knew what was happening because you were a kid from a small town and I hope you take this right way. You didn't know what you were doing. Yeah, I didn't have no idea. I was just excited. And they knew you didn't know what you were doing. They were taking advantage of somebody who didn't know what they were doing. That's what it seems like to me. Oh, yeah, of course. A million percent. And then it wasn't it wasn't really it wasn't necessarily Sony's fault. You know, I mean, they had an artist that was, you know, popping at the time that. Yeah, I was forced to sign with them. But how do you say, I mean, honestly, I have the kind of heart that I'd be like, no, you don't. You don't have to. You can make a choice. But it's it's it's a business at the end of the day. At the beginning and was your first viral? Was it George Strait? Was that the one that? Yeah, that's the one that was the check. Yes or no. Yeah. So that thing pops. Did they go, hey, you're your country or were they like, what were they thinking you were? Who? Anybody after you went viral, were they going this year for sure? You should stay in the country lane or were they like you should you should be, you know? Oh, no, no, no, that was just what I was. That was my goal. When you're making music in Atlanta, were you were you making country music? So they were showing me to they were showing me to what's his name, Timbaland. And what's really cool about this, and this is the other reason I can't get mad, because if I wouldn't have sign with I wouldn't have my family. I wouldn't know my wife. I wouldn't have my kids. Like what's that correlation then? How do you know your wife because of him? She used to work with him. He introduced us. So was she a performer, like an artist? Yes, she was working with him. So she was managed by Johnny Wright, which is I mean, he had Britney Spears. He's still has Justin Timberlake. I think he had the Backstreet Boys. Like he's massive. So she would go to the studio and I was supposed to be in her music video a year before we had actually met. But I had my first show, so I couldn't be the guy in the music video. So that's why I always look at it. If I wouldn't have done this, then I wouldn't have my family. You were going to be the hot guy in a music video. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I was like, generally, you're the hot guy in a video. Yes, she said she said he asked me and I was like, what she looked like. And then he told he told her to use me. She said, what's he look like? And then I don't know, just it hit off. You're a pretty happy guy. Just generally speaking, I had no idea that you had been finagled out of that money. Yeah, I've kept it on the down low. It was funny though. He just saw me. I don't really know what he's doing now, but I was saying, if they read on Facebook live for the longest and had everybody messaging me saying like, you can't do that. You can't do that. I was like, screw it. I'm just a kid from Chattanooga on Facebook. What you mean? I can't do it. Were you using that recently? Oh, I was going to say, yeah, you will die. Yeah. Yeah, I got it. Got it. There's like a replacement cane brown in here now. You know how they say they kill people and then put a little. That's been creeping me out too. But yeah, well, Jim Carrey. Yeah, it's dude. I went down a rabbit hole with that. Well, that's me on my theory. I'll take it. That's what I was really excited to come in here and just go left and right and just talk to them. Then I'll go for a minute. So I am a massive Andy Kaufman fan. And for those that don't know Andy Kaufman, he's dead now, but he was a performance artist, someone say comedian, but performance artist. He also ended up acting a little bit in the seventies sitcom taxi. He played Latka and he would be like, thank you very much. He was like that guy. He'd probably know a picture of him if you saw him, but he died. There's a movie about him. That's my favorite movie ever where Jim Carrey played him. The movie is called Man on the Moon. Thing about Andy Kaufman was everything was performance art. It was to the point where people, his family would get so mad at him because he was always like doing really wild things just to get reaction in his live shows, for example, he would set up a tent and the crowd will be full because they knew him from TV. He a bit resented his TV character because it made him famous in a way that he didn't really want, but he would set up a tent on stage and he'd just go into the tent and go to sleep. And that was his act. And he'd just see how many people would stay like it was just or he would, you know, have a war and peace the book. And he'd say, thank you for coming and just read the whole book for hours. Just because for his performance art was for him. He wanted to see if people would stay and watch him read the book. So all this happens. It's my favorite performer ever. Jim Carrey's favorite performer. As you know, Jim Carrey is very, very animated, physical comedy. Jim Carrey recently has been saying a lot of stuff over the past few years in regards to like entities in Hollywood and I retire. I'm never coming back. And so, you know, you saw Jim Carrey and they're like, is that even a real Jim Carrey? Yeah. My theory is, is that that guy was not Jim Carrey, but Jim Carrey is not dead. Jim Carrey was a part of putting someone in a Jim Carrey mask. And then Jim Carrey got to enjoy the person impersonating Jim Carrey and then watching all that was happening around it as a bit of performance art. Yeah. Even Jim Carrey's family was with him, with with him, that the guy that was supposedly Jim Carrey in Paris. But I think they knew about it. My theory is Jim Carrey was in on the joke that that wasn't Jim Carrey, but Jim Carrey hasn't been abducted and killed and replaced by somebody just being Jim Carrey. Yeah. Yeah, I did think that that dude was another. The only thing that was throwing me off was his voice. Because I mean, if that's the case, he's got a great impersonation. Yes, it is a good Jim Carrey voice. But what does Jim Carrey sound like in his 60s? Kind of like Jim Carrey in his 40s, because I said the same thing and listen to it. And it does sound like Jim Carrey, but somebody who can. I can't do impressions at all. I can't do it. I can do a Kane Brown impression. Can you? Yeah. I see it. I got a Lamborghini. All right. How about that one? Yeah. You know what? And I've only talked about this a couple of times. You know this. I don't know much about cars, but I bought a Lamborghini after our conversation about Lamborghinis. Because there's a lot of things that happened in your life growing up that are very similar to things that happened in my life growing up. And I've always really admired where you come from, which could also be a bit me admiring where I come from, because I'm like, that dude did it. But really, I'm like, man, I did it too. You know, so there are a lot of parallels between how we grew up. And you were talking about a Lamborghini, but you were talking about it not in the way of like, I got a Lamborghini. Look at me. I'm rich. You're like, man, I've earned a Lamborghini. I'm driving it. Yeah. And you said, if you ever want to drive, you just come over to the house and drive it. And I was like, I will never drive your Lamborghini. I don't want to wreck your Lamborghini. I never even thought about having a Lamborghini. And so my wife and I were driving around. I don't see very well. I hit way too many potholes and I had a couple of nice cars. My dream car was a Bentley and I bought one and it was crazy. It was awesome. But then I was like, I'm driving like an old person car. Like, and I'm hitting potholes. And it was like, I was driving like this. And we were looking, my wife says, you need to get an SUV because you can't see. And maybe if you're up higher, you won't hit as many potholes. You and I just had a conversation and we drove by the Lamborghini place. And I was like, you know, when pouring out for a cane, I'm going to look at the Lamborghinis and you didn't die yet. But still, I went in, didn't think I was going to get one. And I got, and I saw the SUV and I was like, man, I don't know. And I got in it and I was like, I think I'm going to do it. And I didn't feel bad about it because when you were talking about it, you weren't bragging about it. You were just like, I always wanted this and I've worked hard and I've got it. And so I bought one at Texas. You know, I was like, I got one, but it's the, I even felt weird telling you. I was like, it's the lame one. It's the, it's the SUV. And you're like, you're like, dude, that's a euros. That's cool. And I was like, all right, maybe it is cool. But like, I have mine now. And this is the most unrelatable thing to talk about. But I feel like it's okay because I feel like it's okay because you were talking about it. And you didn't make me feel like you were talking about it to brag that you had one. But to kind of show, hey, if I come from here and can get this, I think anybody can do the work to come from there and get this. But that's why I got mine. Although you did drive yours here. What did I say before we started recording? Kind of sit in it. I was like, I sit in it whenever we go out there. I think you'll be, you'll really like your, your pick of getting the euros. Cause like, if I, if I wouldn't have went and I think I told you this before, if I wouldn't have modified mine, I would have been bored with it already. Why, what's boring about it? I like to, I like to drive fast. I don't. Yeah. Yeah. I hold up traffic. Kind of a thing. Like people know I'm around. If the cars are backed up like 10 deep, they're like, oh, Bobby must be up there. Yeah. I always, I also feel like the one that I have doesn't stick out. I'm cool with that. The color sticks out. Color is beautiful. It's a beautiful color. I'm so colorblind. Are you? Oh yeah. And I know it's blue. Yeah. But I'm so colorblind that it's. Well, it's a beautiful color. Yeah. Wow. Yours looks awesome. Well, thank you. I'm just mad black. It, but I would probably hit potholes in yours though. I do all the time and I scrape and we lowered it even lower. Why? Just to make it look better, but it's so not practical. Can you drive that as your regular car? I shouldn't, but I do. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause I'm so, I'm not selling it. I'm to the point I've had, I've had people try to buy it from me. Really? I'm like, man, this is my first and only Lambo I'm ever going to buy. Like I want to give this to my kids one day. Kingsley's about to be seven and she's, she's dying for it. She's like, I want it so bad. And then now I'm like, I don't know what if I have to get a crew? Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. And we're back on the Bobby cast. I'm going to ask you a question about kids. Give me the stages like very baby to like, what am I about to experience here? Cause also I'm not 19 or 22. Like I'm older. Yeah. My fear growing up always was I don't want to have a kid cause I don't want a kid to be poor. Like I was poor. It was my greatest fear was raising a kid without the means to feed the kid. Cause I didn't always have food. And so that was so scary to me. I don't have that fear anymore. Now it's dude, I've only held one baby in my life ever. Like even held anybody else's and that was by accident. Yeah. I think so. I'll tell you when you, when I tell you when it's here, you're probably going to be very nervous. You're going to, Thomas Red said it best. You're going to feel like it's glass, but it's made of what's not made of rubber, but it's more like rubber. And I think the going to sleep, definitely get a night nurse. Cause you, you're, we are privileged enough that you can get a night nurse. I will save your, your mental state. I think the hardest part for me and it's going to be for you too. Since we both came from the same background, my kids are very privileged. I already have that conversation with my wife. It's like, how do I create adversity? And she's like, it's not born yet. Yeah. And so I, so we just shot a music video for woman. And so my kids, when we go to Disney, we go, they don't have to wait in lines. They get the VIP treatment. They go to the back. They get to hop right on the ride. They can ride it again if they want to. They get anything they want. I'm like, stop buying toys, you know, Christmas. I'm like, that's too many toys. If they go, if they hear the word target, they get a toy. It's ridiculous. And it drives me nuts. And I don't think my wife, I don't think she realizes it drives me that nuts. But so when we shot this music video, I didn't get to go on the rides because I was working. So my nanny had to take Kingsley on the rides. They gave us just like a day pass to go. And so she got to the, she got to the line and she looked up to my nanny. She says, why are we waiting in line? And I was like, yes. And I was like, yes. Like, I loved it. She had to walk around the whole park. She didn't get golf carted. She didn't get a drove around. So the time she got back to us, she was exhausted. She was asleep. They had to carry her to the to the room. And I was like, finally, just that. Little bit of how I grew. I showed her the other day, I had to show her a trailer. I go to trailers. That's what I grew up in. Oh, yeah, not a movie trailer, like a like a trailer trailer part. Yeah, trailer part. Yeah. So I showed it to her and she said, you lived in that. And I said, yes. And I'm showing you this in our second house in Florida. I'm like, you little privilege. No, like so it's that's probably my biggest pet peeve. And my advice to you is just that's probably going to be something that since we both struggled and that's probably going to be something you'll have to worry about. What is your earliest memory? My earliest memory. Straight up earliest memory. Being thrown across the room. Like first thing in mind. By my stepdad. Like abuse type. I pee the bed. Oh, yeah, that sucks. Not that you pee the bed because I pee the bed, but I'm saying you were thrown across the room for that. Yeah. Yeah. Man, that's a memory. That's your first memory, huh? It's that that trauma is set in so deep. Yeah. Well, and also it probably doesn't help that normal interviews. People found out about it. And that's just like, what if I think that my brain might just be programmed to just what do you mean? Normal interviews. People find out. Like if I have interviews and like, especially coming up, like everybody wants to know the sad stuff. So I was like, that's just, I mean, that's just been repeated in my head the last 10 years. Because you've had to come up with something. So that's the first thing you can remember from this ad stuff. Just keep it just. Yeah. It's just like in my life now. My grandma raised me for a lot of my life, adopted me. Your grandma was important in your life. What was you guys's relationship and when did that happen? My nano, she was awesome. And when did what do you mean, the B7? No, I'm talking about this in general, like your grandma, my grandma was like my rock, the only rock that I had. Yes. My nano, she was, she was awesome. So I'll go this to me and my little brother. This has never been told either. So me and my little brother was almost put up for adoption when we were small. And some things have been hidden from us. I don't know exactly everything, but my nano. Was part of it at one point I was told and then she wasn't. And so then it was like, I had flipped the switch on her, you know, just being from Georgia and a white family and, you know, me being biracial. So then she ended up just loving me and I just remember her, you know, egg sandwiches she used to make me the best in the world. And so as your Nana. Nana's what you call yours, right? I might call my grandma. Was she your biological grandmother? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I never met my dad's side of the family until I was 16. Found out I had five brothers and sisters outside of my dad, but I never met him. When you were 16. So I was 16. I didn't meet my older middle brother until I was 24 and I was touring. Did they know you existed? No. They once, once. So my dad reached out to me. He wrote me a letter in the mail. I got it. My freshman year of high school. And then fast forward met. So my sister Ariel, Heidi and Brian are all living in Chattanooga and Mikey was living in Iowa. So that's why I didn't meet him until I was 24. But I started hanging out with all of them. And yeah, the rest of it, I mean, that's a whole nother situation too. Did dad leave? No, my dad's been in prison. Got it. My dad left at six and I was writing a book and the whole book was about basically like, if I can do it, you can do it. But I did it with very practical techniques like show up on time, just like basic building blocks of success. And I wrote this book and I was like, man, I feel like such a freaking loser. And I'm a hypocrite because I've not done the one thing that really scares me. And let's go track down my biological dad. And so that's what I did. Oh man. And so I didn't know when he left when I was six. I had fallen off a house and had surgery and almost died. And then when I was in the hospital, he used that as a, he jumped. And so I never saw him again. So I think there's probably a lot of guilt in me. When I was a kid thinking, well, since I'm hurt, I made him go away. As I got to be an adult, I kind of just realized, but my mom was 15 when she got pregnant, he was 17. So there's also some of that too, where you realize their kids and kids don't generally make good decisions. But again, a lot to unpack, but I, I messaged a cousin and was like, how do I get ahold of, and I don't call him my dad, but for the sake of this, my dad, um, how I get ahold of them, got his number, text him. And I was like, Hey, this is your son. And then I was like, I better write my name. Even if I write son, I better write. Like this is your son, Bobby, I'm going to be in town in Arkansas. And I wasn't going to be in town, but I knew if I could just set that time, it gave us a point. And I went and met him. Dude, it was so weird to see somebody that looked like me. Really? I, cause I'd never in my life had a conversation with a parent. My mom was an addict and she died in her forties and she was there, but we never had like an adult conversation. So when I met my biological father, it was the first like real life conversation. And I was 32. It was the first conversation I'd ever had with a parent. But what I remember thinking is I look like this human. It's crazy because no, there was no genetics in my life. Yeah. Because I had no family that I was near. And so it's, dude, our lives are crazy similar. What's your version of that? Well, I mean, you said you didn't look like nobody. I lived, I lived on the white side of my family. You know what I mean? I didn't, I didn't have no color in my family till I was 16. And then we need you to just talk about your mom. I didn't know about that either. I'm sorry about that. But my mom went down the same rabbit hole, same with my little brother. And so I got kicked out when I was 17. And so everybody was like, why aren't you helping your mom or whatever? I'm like, I am helping my mom. I got her apartment and paying for all the utilities. I can't just give her money. You know what I mean? Cause if I just give her money, then she's just going to go and buy the stuff that's hurting her. So I could not find out how to do it. So I just got her apartment and helped it that way. Cause if you, if you take work away from her, like she even tells me, me and my little brother were her, were her, um, what do you call it? Uh, purpose is when we grew up and moved out. Well, it's her purpose now. You know what I mean? She's not married. She has no boyfriend. So I'm just, I mean, she's just doing whatever she can in the house. Is she alive now? Yeah. And she's so much better now. Love you mom. Yeah. So much better now. Um, but that, and I got her house. Did she have to hit a certain bottom to understand what was happening with her before she figured it out? I don't know what the breaking point was. I just, I told her I want my mom back. I felt like it was just, it was hard. I had no family up here. Like we, like it was tough. I mean, I have my Nana luckily and then my aunt. Um, I don't know what her breaking point was. The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the Bobby cast. I love that version of that story because very similarly when I started to have some success and not to the success I have now, because my mom never got to see me be really successful. But successful to me was having more than $20 in a checking account. Like that was this first real success where I could actually get gas and I have to worry about it, you know, um, but I did this, I bought my mom a trailer and I bought her two acres of land. And because I thought if I could stop her, if I could make life easier for her, she would stop using, which is what she was doing. And where I come from, opioids, like crazy and homemade meth. Like there were trailers blowing up all over the place because they're making meth inside of these places. And I thought if I can make, and I'd put in rehab a couple of times, but she's an adult, she would check herself out. And I thought, if I can just buy her this, it'll work. Why I'm so happy about that. Your version is it didn't, it didn't get my mom to a good place. I think I enabled her. She died. I mean, she died because I was just like, let me give you money. And I learned that it was a very, very hard lesson. So I just thought I could pay away her problems. And that now when I talk about it, it's like the hardest thing is to let them do it themselves whenever you have the ability to do it for them. Because doing it for them actually does just the opposite. That's the same with my little brother. My little brother ended up getting arrested and I got him out already. And then he ended up going back. And I said, I'm not getting you out this time. So I'm going to leave you in there at least for six months. So it gets out of your system. And then I ended up standing there for a year. But when he got out, he said, thank you for leaving me in there. It's very hard though to leave him in there because it's you love him. And you think, well, if I love him, I should just give them stuff and help them. Man, I'm so happy to hear that about your mom that you guys have a good relationship. Yeah, relationship. No, yeah, I'm excited. She's back. She texts me. She loves me all the time. It's like, it feels good. So you're biracial. Were you white or black growing up? I don't know what I was. I was just walking. I didn't know like really anything about races. But okay, but what friends did you have? I had one black friend and I know it sounds crazy, but I just thought he stayed in the sun longer than me. I didn't. Come on. I promise you. Come on. I swear. That's not true. Because if I don't go in the sun, I get super pale. I guess. So I was like, okay, cool. And then when I get in the sun, I get super dark. I said, I, and yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but I mean, I'm in, uh, it was weak here. So I'm like, I might be eight years old. And I didn't find out I was, I didn't find out of another race until I got called to N word in middle school. And then I went back home and said, what is that? And my mom told me and took my little brother to tell me that I was, uh, half black. So you didn't know, but I guess it was never met my dad. And then my granddad was my mom's dad. My, uh, I called him pop. He was with me every day. And he's just a white man. So that was, I did. I never asked. I never, I don't know what it was. I like, he never got brought up. My family, it was like my family just tried to completely ignore the fact. And I'm a kid. So I'm not going to sit there and be like, where's my dad? Cause my pops right there. And then not to mention, I had my stepdad in the picture too, which was my little brother's dad and he was, he was with my mom. So it wasn't like a, there wasn't a man that wasn't in the house. So it wasn't necessarily me saying, where's my dad? Do you know your biological father now? Do you have a relationship with him? No, that's another, this is probably going to get brought up. It's going to bring some stuff up too. But yeah, I do not. He's been in prison since 96. And that's, that just goes to my, that side of the family for me is kind of crazy. Love them. I've helped them out many times, but all they do is you'll help them out. Then they talk crap about you on social media when you don't. And it's like, I'm not, I'm not doing that. I've gave you, I've gave all of them multiple thousands of dollars. I've helped multiple, multiple get into houses that they needed to. I've paid rent. I've done so much. And then after, if I don't, they just talk shit on Facebook and say, I have all this money and don't help no family members, but I'm all about family. I have a cousin. It's from that side of the family. I have, I have a jail side. Everybody's been in jail on that side. Yeah. And five or six years ago, maybe more than that now, because COVID kind of messes with my brain. I saw a news story and I saw him escape prison on TV. He escaped. Dude, is the craziest thing. What are you doing? You're like, go, go, go. No, because they, they were, people were calling me like that. Like the FBI was calling me. So it showed, and it was like a big story because he and his mom had helped him. I think she was waiting in a car outside and there was like a little hole that you can like hand in. So he was on the phone, jumped through the hole and then he ran all through states. They tracked them for like two, they couldn't find them. So they started to call me and he was, they were like, do you know where your cousin is? He escaped prison. And he's in that side of the family. And I'm close to two of my cousins that haven't been to prison, but pretty much everybody else has. Now it was like a man hunt for two weeks and they were like, are you hiding your cousin? I'm like, I don't know my cousin, but it was crazy because it was good morning. America was covering it. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like it's the craziest video to watch him like squeeze out of there. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like I, I root for you because I, again, I know your story, but also like you as a person. When I first met you, I didn't like you that much. I know. Yeah. No, I just think it was, it's just confusion of impression confusion. Yeah. It was a social media, you know? And I mean, you just had to see me. I don't know. And I, and I also, I was shy. I was quiet, which probably came off. Very, um, a-holish to a lot of people when I got in the industry, but like for what I've been through in my life, you know, I just, I wouldn't just let people in. I had to get to know them. I think that is exactly it. And I think I'm so insecure that people don't like me that I'm going, oh, if that person doesn't like me, I don't like them. Like immediately for some of those same reasons. But I was like, oh, he doesn't talk. Oh, he thinks he's too good. And then yeah, but we had like a minute on social media where we were like K in each other. Hey, I got a, we need to do it again. I got a lot of followers. It was just like, K, K. And so, but now it's like, if you needed a kidney, I'd give you one. You know, so yeah, I get jealous though, watching you play ball. I think that's the one thing I get jealous of. Just it, yeah, you're just good at stuff. No. Like as a, no, people, no, there's, I've, I've, I've watched you with my own eyeball. I didn't see you strike out one, slow pitch, softball, but then I watched you at a home run right after that. No, but then I'll watch you at a home run right after that. And you had a in the park home run. I got it. The MVP belt up there. But I only got that because you made the play at the end of the game to save the freaking game. Yeah, but you were diving all over the field. So yeah, but you got it. Yeah. I'm jealous to watch somebody that, because when you, you're really a basketball player. I'm okay. No, I'm saying this and I've, I've tried to invite you a couple times, but you go to bed earlier than you play ball. I need to do one during the morning sometime. Like if you do it in the morning, morning, I'm working. I got a very small. Yeah. One, two. Like how, how much basketball do you play? I actually quit, but I'm trying to get, I'm in shape now where I would love to do it more. We used to play every Monday. Um, yeah, we got to get it back though. They keep asking me. You have a trainer now. Jared. Great. The greatest. Here's my guy for five years. I don't know what he says about me, like weak, lazy. No, no, no. I mean, he's worked with everybody. Yeah. So he's still on the road with me. Like he was like, he's awesome. Yeah. He goes out with me now. I think, I mean, he's, he's been with Tyler, uh, who's out with him. And then I told, I was just with Lauren, the other day, Lana, and she found, she was like, you look great. I said, Jared, she goes, God, I got to get him back out. So he's been with everybody. Are you still as hyper focused on health? Oh yeah. I don't think it's, but you still had to force it. Now it's just in my nature. Well, you texted me. Hey, do you want to get in good shape? And I'm like, bro, I remember the texts and my feelings a little bit hurt. And you were like, no, just excited. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you hit me. And you said, Hey man, you're looking to get in good shape. And I'm like, bro, I just lost like 11 pounds. I'm more shredded than I've ever been. And you're telling me I don't look good. Like, and then I said that back to you and you're like, okay, my bad. And that was it. No, I can't. I'm not going to look like you. You can. I don't. First of all, you're like, you're like younger than him. You're larger than I am. No, it's from sandwich. You can get ripped. Yeah, I get me a pretty good shape, but you're naturally. Oh, I don't, because I'm a people, if people tell me, Hey, like, you're talented. I get offended because I don't feel like I'm talented. I work hard, but you're just naturally a better athlete than I am. Thank you for not, thank you for not agreeing. Thank you for not agreeing so wholeheartedly. Yeah. What's up with the bar you're opening? Um, dude, it's crazy. We've had that bar for two years. Um, and it's funny because after everybody's been open in a bar, you just see comments. It's like, Oh, great. Another bar opening. I was like, they're going to be saying that about me. Um, but we, we've had two years and, uh, we've been going to each bar and seeing like what works and what doesn't work for the other artists. Um, instead of just throwing our name up there and we got to pick out the finishes. Kate's really good at, uh, like interior decorating. So I want to make it look really cool, but make it different. Um, just because my music is all over the place. So instead of just having your, like, we're going to have the traditional live band on the first floor, but then as you go up, we're going to have another bar or another like speakeasy called dusk. Excuse me. And that's going to be like the, it's going to feel like a Miami vibe. We picked like Miami type of colors. Um, which I don't think anything on Broadway feels like that. And then, uh, yes, it's going to be cool. And then we're going to have like cool art and decorated pieces throughout the whole bar. What is that opening? Memorial Day weekend. Do you have a deal where you're going to play a few times a year there? I don't know. As our state, are you going to show up and just, no, no. I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to be showing up. I'm going to be there, um, buying bar shots and, you know, randomly singing every now and then, but it's not in a deal. It's just going to be what I, what I do with it. And if I go in, you know, to any kind of brand thing that I wanted to, I want to give it my all and let them know that I'm enjoying this. I want y'all here. Do you feel comfortable in your skin now as an artist and that you feel, if you do anything, it's okay now? Uh, no, not, you mean anything? Well, anything you want to do. Like, do you feel like, because again, you're, some of your music at times has been a little more rock. It's still country, but still a little more rock landing at times. Uh, different sonic elements. I think you've had versions, different versions. Like, do you feel like it doesn't matter what you put out? Like you're, you don't have to like maintain some sort of country music standard anymore. Um, yeah, I feel a little bit more freely of, um, I can just be me, but I, I think it's just not happening this year, which is crazy. I know I've released some stuff back in the day. Um, I mean, even like miles on it, uh, one thing, right? My song grand that are, you know, completely left field. Um, but they worked. And so for me, it was a, it was, I was nervous releasing those. Um, but the fans showed me that I shouldn't be. And so now, uh, this year was going through therapy and just being older, I guess, and maturing. It's just, I'm really excited for the record I'm working on now. What are your five best songs? One through five. Couldn't tell you. You have to though. I know. And mostly someone would say that and be like, all right, we'll pivot off, but I'm really going to hold you to this right now. Today. What are your five favorite King Brown songs? Number one. I'm just going to, I'm just going to do like what I like to perform live, I guess. Um, love performing miles on it. I don't know if it's just because it's fresh still to everybody. Um, uh, uh, uh, bear me Georgia. Thank God. I really want to say learning. Then why don't you? I'm going to say learning just because I feel like that's the most, my most story. Um, five would be five. I think of, I'm going to say one thing right because I had the most to do with that song. And I think that was my first time reaching outside of the genre to another artist and really my first boundary push. When you and your wife did the song together, did she have any trepidation? Was she nervous about doing that? Or was she nervous about what people would say? Oh, it's just Kane Brown's wife. I don't know how you're nervous with a voice like that. No, no, no doubt she can sing. I just think some people didn't know she could sing until. Yeah. I don't think she had a problem with that. She was, she was nervous to get in the studio because she hadn't been in the studio for so long. And then, and then when we did get in the studio, it was just me, her and Dan Huff, which is a massive producer. Um, but such a sweetheart. So he really got her through it. But I think that was the only thing she was nervous about. She's, she's more nervous of just the performance on stage because she has really bad anxiety. Um, so it's, it's really sweet, but it's funny because a lot of times people be like, God, they have such good chemistry on stage and she's just holding on to me so she doesn't pass out. But, um, no, it's just, it's, it is so cool. Uh, that just she gets to do that, um, with me and the fans love it. And, uh, fun fact, we are, uh, and I don't, I don't really like facts like this, but we're the only other couple to have, uh, a number one at country radio other than Tim and faith. Really? Yeah. Um, my question was going to be about that because you record it. That's cool. Big deal goes on a record. Big deal. But then when you make it the single, that's a really big deal because then it exists and there's an effort to make it a, a number one song by your label. And it was a number one song easily, but then you have to go perform it. Like all of that happens. Like, was that a conversation with her? Like, do you want to be a part of a single? Yeah. I mean, I think it wasn't a conversation. I just told her, like, yo, this, once you do this, it's going to radio. And then, um, I think she was okay with it. She might have been nervous, but she didn't like it. Uh, I think her most thing is just getting ready for one song because she, it takes like two hours to get ready. I swear to God, I was thinking about that watching a video once. I said, I was like, I feel so bad for, for Caitlin because I think she's getting ready and she goes in, does one song on stage and has to come off. And then, but she looks great, but it takes a, and closer expensive. That's always what I think. She does a whole stylist for it and everything. Um, she looks amazing though, but that's why I'm trying to get, we're trying to get more music. We had a body talk come out. So we did do two songs and then we, we have a third one that we just hadn't added to the set. So I'm trying to get another, another song for, um, on this album. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. And we're back on the Bobby cast. What's in your algorithm? Um, right now. Yeah. Like, uh, boxing, uh, a lot of comedy stuff. Hey, who's the funniest person? I just had this conversation. I'll go first to give you time to think. Now, because I'm hogging it, but I'm going to ask the question. I'll go first. Sometimes people yell at me. I'm like, you talk too much. It's like, no, I want them to have a time to think of a good answer. So that's what I'm going to do. If you were to do your Mount Rushmore of the funniest people alive, who would it be? It's hard. I'm going to give you mine, but you pay no attention to what I'm saying. I give you time to think of yours. On my list, I have Ricky Gervais. He created the original office, British office, obviously the American office, but he is so cuttingly funny and does not DGAF at all. I think he's hilarious. At number two, my favorite all time standup comic is Chris Rock. Like to watch those old specials, it made me wish I was black so I could laugh harder because I thought it was, I was like, this is the gr... This is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Chris Rock to me, the funniest. Doing comedy music, Adam Sandler, because when I was a kid and I heard the comedy music records, I was like, this is... You can do this. And then Mark Norman, who's a comedian now, who is so freaking funny. I found him on TikTok, but he's a big comedian, got an Netflix special. That guy makes me laugh so hard because again, he's one of these guys who you can't cancel on because he doesn't have an entity that he works for. And that to me is funny. So that would be my Mount Rushmore of the funniest people that I feel right now. I filled some space. Hopefully you now have the four funniest people alive. Four funniest people. I don't even know. I would say, gotta put Will Ferrell in there. Ever met him? Never. I'm going to put Gary Owens. That guy's so funny. I love Gary Owens. I can say why he's funny, right? Because he's a white guy doing mostly black humor. Yeah, he's a black guy basically. Yeah, it's so funny. And I grew up in a town that wasn't all white. And so that guy doing that makes me laugh so hard because there were guys on my high school that was like that. And everybody was like, yeah, cool. All good. Yeah, he's funny. He's so funny to me. I'm going to say, I'll say Jim Carrey and I need one more. I love, I mean, I guess it's just my time. It's between Eddie Murphy and probably Kevin Hart. Kevin's just in my time right now. Do you know Kevin Hart? No. I've walked past him a couple of times. He was like the president walked past me. It was crazy. Eight security guards, like nuts. Ever met Michael Jordan? Yeah, yeah. So I go and play his course for my birthday every year for a birthday trip. So we've got to the point where he just comes up to him and dabs me up and I was pretty crazy. That's pretty crazy. My friend Kenny, he said, he can't wait to say, what's up, can't have a birthday, shook my hand. My boy Kenny ran over right after he drove off and just started grabbing my hand and touching it. One degree. He touched Michael Jordan one degree. What's on your mind? What's on my mind? Yeah, it's on your mind. Man, I'm just happy. I'm excited. I feel like the last four years is kind of like a shell for me. What do you mean by that? Like just, like I didn't know if I wanted music anymore. Were you getting burnt out? Not necessarily burnt out. I think I was just like, I was just trying to please the wrong people. I wasn't doing anything for me. I was doing it just to people pleaser. I'm like, I don't want to do that no more. Just need to worry about my fans, which is what I did like day one and have fun. And I got to this point where I was just like, I have a name now, Kane Brown, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like you can't post anything that makes you look not cool. And so that's why if you go look at all my social media posts now, I'm generally having fun posting and they're working. So just getting back to me, feeling myself. But this is my first year ever talking to a therapist as well. And he made me sit down and find my inner child that I was like protecting. Dude, I broke down. It was crazy. Have you done the thing where you put a picture of yourself up as a kid and talk to it? So same concept, but instead he made me pick a stuffed animal, which I, it's going to sound kind of crazy, but I picked a monkey and put it in front of me and I don't know what it was. It was just like this energy. And then he made me switch seats and he said, now as a kid, what would you tell your older self now? And bro, I lost it. I was like, you're doing great, man. You're doing great. I did the same thing. Same exact thing happened. I don't know how you are in private. I don't, I don't cry really a lot in public or personal and not because it's a, to me, it's not a masculine anything. It's a vulnerability thing. Cause coming from where I come from, you couldn't be weak. I couldn't be weak. I got to get out. I got to protect. I got to find. So it's never like I'm a dude or can't cry. It's like, I have to be strong. I can't be weak. Yeah. If I'm weak, I lose. That's how I felt. I'm breaking that cycle now. But put up a picture of me as a kid, did the same thing. I thought it was stupid for about, I don't know, eight to 10 seconds until I lost it. I did too. And then I was like, there's no way I'm going to cry. And then I do the thing where if and when I cry, like I physically, I start doing that. I can't even talk. My face gets red. That was it. And then I switched seats. And then I just now recently start to feel like if I were a kid, I would think I was cool. And I think that's real for me. I think that's real growth because there's a lot of times I think I've really hated myself for a long time for many reasons. But now I think if I met a 12 year old me, I think that kid would think I was cool. Yeah. And I like that about me. Do you think that about you? Yeah. Yeah. And then another, just sitting here talking to you, this is really good for us, by the way. You know what I'm saying? Why are you saying that? I'm just saying, I feel like because we started out on a rocky edge. Yeah, but we've been friends a long since then. Yeah, but we still haven't had, got to sit down and have a conversation. That's fair. You know what I mean? So I'm like, come in and talk about a single, yada, yada. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. I'm going to learn about you. That's not true though because I've had to pay you money from golf and you've had to hold up a golf. We had on the golf course together, but I guess you really don't. You didn't talk. You're right, because there are other guys around. Yeah. And I just remember looking at you thinking, I sure would like to hug them, but I didn't because there are other people around. Yeah. Yeah. This is nice. That is nice. All right, go ahead. So where were we? You were talking about how good looking I am. And I appreciated that. Yeah, I'm not really a model, not known as a model, but for you to say that. No, we're talking therapy. And I said, I thought that me as a kid would think I'm cool. Yeah, cool. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if I was a kid, I would think I was cool. But for me, oh yeah, that's what I was going to say. So as talking to you, for me, I don't, I've been people are like, oh, you're Cain Brown. Like you should be so happy and yada, yada, yada. It's like, for me, I kind of don't, I beat myself up more than the worst hater could. You know what I mean? I'm a perfectionist. So every time I walk off stage, I'm like, it wasn't good enough. And I always, you know, ask my team, like, how was it? And I used to not, which is good, which is, it's now it's good to me because that I back, cares back for the longest or the last four years. I've just been whatever, whatever happens, happens. So that's why I really like this year and hopefully moving forward. I can keep it like this because I'm to a point now where I care. Do you like yourself? Yeah. I like myself a lot. But when I, you know, for the reading comments makes me feel like I'm the biggest douchebag in the world, you know, it's, I did, I swear to God, I'm so happy you say that I was just saying to someone recently who's in a space similar to what we are. I said, if it weren't for my brain, I would think I was the most hated person on earth. Yeah. Because everything that I possibly could read about me is bad. It makes me feel like everybody hates me. Like I, if I were just going by what I consumed and like what my feelings were, I feel like everybody hates me. It takes my brain to, to weigh in and go, Hey man, here's, let's look at the data. Yeah. Because if not, like I can spiral into nobody likes me, what I do, and I'm not worthy. And luckily I have a wife now that will say all of this stuff as much as it matters, it doesn't matter. Meaning all the, this cameras and microphones and she's, you know, with her, it's been a, there are things that matter and your career matters and you got you out of a bad place and you've been able to help a lot of others because of that. But when it comes to what you're valuing at times, she's been able to write me on, I think I value at times, like what sentiment is towards me, which isn't even right by the way. But she, but it's been a real reality check of what matters and what doesn't like human. Because I didn't have like humans that I would allow to like get into me until I met my wife. I wonder if you had that. Yeah. You sound like you just kind of like shut down. Yeah, that or I just, I didn't, I didn't have like a real relationship with a human. Yeah. I didn't either. I just now kind of started to this past year, just like people in my life, they'd walk in my house, my wife, you know, all chipper, hi, good to see you. I wouldn't say, hey, I wouldn't say bye. I wouldn't say anything. So other than like my friends from high school. Then you're going to Twitter fight with them. The next thing you know, man, I'm glad to hear you're in like a healthy place. Cause I'm in a healthy place. Good. And I really like it. Like as a person, cause this isn't recording. We were just like warming up. We're about to start now and we're going to start first question. I like that song. I love country music. Wouldn't you write that one? Yeah, right. I do like that song though. That song. Yeah. That song is cool. Are we talking about that song now? We don't have to. I just, I played it the other day. I was doing like a thing on the air. Like that song is fun because it just, like that's fun. You don't like that one? Love it. That's what we started the show with this year. Oh yeah. That's a good one. Keep that one. Yeah. I like that one. You didn't put that in your top five though. Well, that one, that one, I will say just real quick. That one, I had that song and it just disappeared for two years. And then I was going through music and we had cut it and I heard the demo. The live, the version that we cut, we just, it wasn't, it didn't hit the same as the demo. So we went back and then it ended up making the album a year or two years later. When it disappears, what does that mean? You know, you got, we write so much music that eventually just gets down in the bottom of the barrel. If it don't do nothing for me, I forget about it. Specifically song wise, you mentioned it earlier, but tell me about woman. Yeah. So woman, man. So the, normally when you think of a song, you write it down immediately. And this one was not one of those and it hit me twice. So I was on my back porch and we have this, we have glass doors on the back porch and you can see in our kitchen and our living room. So my boys on the back porch for me and they're like, we're bored. It's nine o'clock. Like we should go to bars downtown. I said, well, I like going to the bars, man. And they said, let's just go, just do it. And my one friend is single. He's like, yeah, man, I need a girlfriend anyway, blah, blah, blah. So I looked through my back window and I see Kate in the kitchen and she's just cleaning up, getting ready for bed. And I thought to myself, man, I'm sitting here talking about girls, but I got a woman. Fast forward a couple of months later, I'm doing a writing retreat and we, we've wrote like seven songs and I'm, we're in that seventh song and I just get just like exhausted. I'm like, I'm checked out of this song. I don't want to finish it. So they, I'm going to warm up my food just to kill time and hope they finish this last line. And as I'm, as, as I'm eating my food up, it hit me again. I'm like, they talking about girls, but I got a woman. And so I walked in and I told us, I think I got our next song to write. And it was actually Gordly and Ben Johnson, Taylor Phillips and John Byron. And I just, I told them that line and they said, bro, where did this come from? I said, I was just warming up my turkey and it hit me. And we wrote that song and afterwards Ashley was like, yo, we're not writing anymore today. And once we got the song back from demo, I said, this is, this is it. This is my single. And when I, when I first got started, I followed my gut. Like my gut is what got me where I'm at today. And that I haven't felt it in those, all those years I've been telling you, but I just lost it. I couldn't find it. It hit me with that song and it just gave me the, the fire back under me to start writing again and just to get my creativeness out of, I've been like for the last 10 years, I haven't got been able to get my creativeness out because people have been limiting what I can do. Because I've been in this, this no offense love country music, but I've been in this country box. And I know I have released outside of that stuff, but that's limited to me wanting to dance, me wanting to bring dancers. That stuff's not done in country music, but just imagine if it was and I got to be who I want to be. I've been, I've been trying to protect myself from what people want to say. So that's why I'm really excited for this album in 2026 and 2027, because I'm just whatever I'm just doing it. When the album's ready, let's do it again. Yeah. I'm excited. It'll be a while, right? Yeah. Summer, fall. My mom's birthday. Doesn't make good, man. Like seriously. Yeah. And also I want to go see your car, so we're going to cut this. Let's go. All right, there he is. The lovely Cain Brown.