S2E30: The Story That Chose Her

Hi everyone, I'm Kai Dickens and welcome back to the Talk Tracks. Today we have an incredible story about a creative download or some would say Big Magic. If you haven't listened to Season 2 Episode 3 about the consciousness of creativity and how ideas choose us, I really encourage you to start there. But today you're going to meet Pilar Flynn, a producer and now a director in the animation space, and hear one of the most remarkable Big Magic creativity choosing us stories I've heard in a long time. So Pilar, welcome to the Talk Tracks. Hi everyone, I'm Kai Dickens and welcome to the Talk Tracks, brought to you weekly from TTT Media. In this series, we explore the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, consciousness, and yes, even unexplained phenomena like psyabilities. We examine the mysteries that sit just beyond the edge of what science can currently explain alongside researchers, thinkers, families, and experiencers. 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And when I say the term big magic, people who listen to season two remember that that was a book written by a very famous prolific American writer, Elizabeth Gilbert, who wrote Eat, Pray, Love, and she really loves her. She's wonderful. And this idea that creativity comes to us, chooses with us, engages with us, especially if we're working in ready and a willing recipient. But why don't we start by you just introducing yourself? Who are you? What do you do? Well, my name is Bilal Flynn, and I've been in the animation industry for over two decades. I'm originally from South America, from Chile and Ecuador. So I grew up mostly in countries in South America and some of Europe. And I guess the reason I'm here in LA to begin with is because at five years old, I went to the theater for the first time to see my first movie. And in that moment, when I looked around at the audience and saw how connected everyone was, how they were all feeling the same emotions, I knew from that second that what I wanted to do is come to LA and tell stories. And from that day, I would just tell my family, I'm going to grow up and move to Hollywood, and I'm going to make movies. And of course, being a little girl that only spoke Spanish, living in Latin America, they were like, okay, Mi jita, good luck with that, great dream. But I was so determined, there was just something in me that knew. I just didn't question it. And lo and behold, everything in my life ended up almost magically lining up so that I ended up coming to the States, going there for college, meeting my now husband in college. And I actually landed in animation, which is something I never quite expected, because I didn't think animation was the thing you could actually do. But realize that animation was the perfect way for me to tell stories, because it had the greatest impact reaching children and making a change. And just to make people feel like they were watching something profound, meaningful, and connective, was something that meant so much to me. Love it. So what have you been up to recently? Like if you were to fast forward to the past few years, where has your career taken you? Yeah, so I've gone all over the map to almost every studio in animation, from big studios to small studio. But the most recent was my stint at Disney. I was there for nine years. And I worked on two of the shows that meant the most to me, my family, my kids, which were Elena of Avalor, which was Disney's first ever Latina Princess in a TV series, and Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, which was of course Marvel's first ever black teen girl superhero. And her best friend was Latina. And so for me to see myself represented on screen like that, and for my girls to grow up seeing that meant everything. It was a true work of heart. Yeah, beautiful. Okay, so why don't you talk about or introduce us to Isabel, for those people who don't know her, and how she was significant to you growing up, maybe who she is, what she's known for, especially in Latin America. And yeah, take us on that journey. Yeah, Isabel Elena is pretty much literary royalty to the Spanish language world. She is incredible. She's a feminist, a journalist. She has written books that have sold over 80 million copies around the world in over 42 different languages. She was part of, you know, when Chile in Latin America was going through a lot of political upheaval in the 70s, she was a beacon of hope for a lot of people, and especially women. And her books have always been about strong, powerful women and people and the supernatural and magical realism. She's actually one of the creators of magical realism. And throughout her life, she's told stories about herself personally, but also about people, you know, either in Latin America or different countries. And she even won the Presidential Medal of Honor that Barack Obama gave her. So yeah, she is literally, yeah, the queen. And growing up in Latin America, as most kids will tell you, she was taught in schools. And House of the Spirits is one of the most famous of her works. But she's got so many novels. And to this day, she just turned, I think 81, 82, and she just put out two more books, you know, in these kind of in this last year and a half. So she's incredibly prolific and has not slowed down despite her age, which is such an inspiration. Magical realism, that's what you said she's known for, correct? So can you talk about that? I mean, she's one of the most prolific writers in the world. She's beloved. What is magical realism? And how do you understand that Isabel engages with the world? Like what is her philosophy? Just to let everybody know that Riel García Marquez was also the founder of magical realism. And so they both kind of were the founders of this beautiful literary term, which basically means that their stories and their characters live in a very grounded world with very grounded chapters and stories, but the supernatural and magic just happens all around them naturally. So nobody questions it. It's just there. So say we're sitting here and a ghost might join us and sit next to me and I might just nod to them and keep going or, you know, some of the characters have magical powers that just are. And so I find that so beautiful because honestly, I think that does exist. And to them, they just bring something that people question to the forefront. And especially in Latin American culture, I think a lot more than culture here, we just accept the supernatural as part of everyday life. I remember growing up, my nana used to call her my nanny. She'd be tucking me in a bed and whenever she'd hear an owl hoot, she'd go, oh, well, that means someone's dying tonight. Well, goodnight, mijita. And it was just like, you know, just something you just kind of said and just was and you lived with. So a lot of her novels feature that. And like I say, House of the Spirits is the most famous that was known for that, that included ghosts and magical powers and premonitions. And I've always found that so fascinating and beautiful because, yeah, I believe in all those things. Yeah, I love that. What a different perspective. And liberating as well. And it seems and tell me if I'm wrong, but I think the way that Liz Gilbert plays with creativity and sees the world as this non physical thing engaging with us, making its own creativity, making its own will manifest through us seems almost like almost identical to how Isabella goes through the world. Would you agree with that? Yes, I think so because I know she said she sits down and the story comes to her and she feels like a vessel for this story. So a story that's kind of waiting in line or ready to be told. She's kind of there ready with her pen and paper and here it comes. And she allows it to just roll through her, you know, as it wishes to kind of live. Yes. And now your, it's just so amazing. Your life has now intersected with her in an amazing way around an amazing short story, which is so crazy. And I to this day, I have to pinch myself. I can't even believe because growing up and seeing her such an inspiration and light for me to be crossing over in any way with her, especially in this way has been such an honor. I can't even begin to tell you. So what happened? Because I just think the story is so beautiful and just shows that anything can happen. Yes. And kind of like you say, definitely was not expected, never thought I'd be sitting here, you know, talking about this or this having come to me. So the way it started was I just finished Elena Vavilor and Mungrel and Devil Dinosaur at Disney. And like I was saying to you, those two shows meant so much to me. And even though the stories we were telling the characters were something that I truly held close to my heart, they weren't stories that I had created. And when they were over, I just had the sense of, well, now what? I'm like, I've put those helped put those out into the world. And now there's something still left in me that I just felt like was dying to come out. And I didn't know what. So I'd finished the shows. And the longer I thought about it, the more I started getting this feeling inside me that felt like I was vibrating on a cellular level. And I couldn't shake it. It was almost like something was shaking me from the inside out, telling me to pay attention. And I was like, what? What is it? Like, what, what is this thing? And it was so funny because it was almost like this weird internal itch, you know, even though, you know, it didn't hurt in any way, it was just kind of like, just really like sitting with me. And I finally decided to just put it out into the world because I was like, what is this feeling? Why can't I shake it? What am I supposed to be paying attention to? But I also put it out to my family, my friends, I told my husband, I told all my girlfriends, you know, who I have a group of amazing girlfriends that are so supportive and that I tell everything to. And I just said, there's something in me and I don't know what it is. And I feel like I need to be centered to figure it out, help me like, what am I supposed to do? And after I put that call out, one magical girlfriend, my friend Amanda, really heard me. And she called one day and she said, I've been thinking about what you said. And I think I have a solution. And I was like, what? What is it? And she lives in Northern California near the Redwoods. And she said, why don't you and some of our friends come up, stay with me. I know this awesome little area that has cabins in the middle of the Redwoods. Why don't we just have a weekend, you know, get away from the kids, jobs, the city, and just sit and be together in nature. And when she said that to me, just something in me lit up, and I was like, yes, yeah, that's, that's exactly what I need. So even though it was this crazy time of year, dropped everything, went up there, and it was five of us. And the second I got there, I just started feeling centered. It was almost like all of my cells and whatever was shaking and signing started aligning. And we got to the cabin area and Amanda led us in and it was so beautiful. It was just these little rustic cabins in the middle of the woods, like nothing around. And we settled in and I'm looking at these giant, beautiful ancient trees. And so of course, we started packing everything. And then Amanda comes over to us and she's like, Pilar, I have another surprise for you. She said, I've set up the front porch so that we can have a really deep meditation. And so we can just take the afternoon to meditate and be together and commune with the energy of the trees. And I was like, who is this friend? This friend is amazing. She is amazing. And of course, my first thought was like, okay, the sounds kind of woo, like, what are you talking about? What do you mean we're going to sit and meditate and commune with the tree? But then another part of me, not my brain, my spirit, my heart was like, yes, that sounds amazing. Let's do that. So okay, so this isn't something you normally do with her as I go into the trees and meditate. Never. These are all people that are kind of in animation, we're professionals. You know, we love spiritual stuff and talking about it, but never something this intentional. And I guess that's what was the difference is she was like, I heard you, I'm going to help you. I'm going to set something up intentional for you to talk within yourself. So it wasn't like it was anything this big or magical. And that's what was so beautiful about it was so normal in a way, but her speaking those words and saying, we're intentionally going to sit. You're surrounded by people you love, you're away from all the noise, you're communing with these trees in nature. By her intentionally saying that to me, it kind of just realigned me from the inside out. It was incredible. So cool. So we all sat there and we just sat together and at first we started talking and we drank our tea and we had crystals and it was the age and everything. And then we just kind of had a moment of silent meditation and it was so silent and beautiful and all of a sudden as I was sitting there and for a lot of my girlfriends, things were coming up, especially because we felt safe, invulnerable. 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And she just kind of nodded and I got up and I walked past and I went to the backyard and I see this beautiful, you know, I say beautiful, but it was actually just this like plastic lawn chair. But in the moment, you know, everything looks so beautiful. So this plastic lawn chair that you were climbing on was just sitting in the middle of these trees. So I go and I lay down on them and I look up and I suddenly realize that right above me is the circle of giant ancient redwoods just looking down on me. And it almost looked like ancient ancestral kind of, you know, grandparents, I want to say, abuelos, you know, looking down and right in the center above them was this beautiful kind of space where you could see the stars, the stars were starting to come out. So I was laying there looking at them and I was just marveling at the beauty. So I took it in for a while. And then finally, again, I kind of surrendered and I said, okay, I'm here. I'm intentionally here. What is it? What is it I'm supposed to know? What is it I'm supposed to be doing? Because I knew it was something that I was meant to do. And all of a sudden, I heard back, you know what you're supposed to be doing. And I was like, whoa, what I was like, what was that? And it was crystal clear. And I heard it in my mind almost telepathically, but it wasn't like a thought it was a voice. And the best way to describe the voice was, it was almost a mixture of what felt like ancestors and guides and the trees, it was all like one in the same. But it was crystal clear. And I said, well, what do you mean? And they said, think about it. And I thought, okay, am I what are they trying to say? And I said, okay, I know the feeling of what I'm supposed to do. I definitely know I'm supposed to be doing something. And they said, no, you know. And so I just took a step back, I guess, you know, laying there. And all of a sudden, it was almost like a beautiful mind moment where all these weird puzzle pieces started coming together. And what I heard was, you know, you're supposed to take all the knowledge that you've spent all this time acquiring all the people that you've connected with, you're meant to put together an animated short film with a story by Isabella Yende, and you're meant to put together a team of incredible Latino creators. And you're meant to, by the way, put an Oscar campaign together and create an incredible film. And I was like, what? And it was just like such a clear, oddly specific download that I was kind of in shock. But at the same time, it made perfect sense, which was equally shocking. And then I heard myself saying, I know, but I'm so scared. And then they said to me, okay, you have fears, what are they? And so all of a sudden, I started launching in on, I'm afraid of people laughing at me for wanting to be a director, I'm afraid of what if it's not good, what if Isabelle doesn't give me the rights to one of her stories, what if I can't get funding, what if it sucks, what if, you know, and I'm just like, what if, what if, what if my family is mad at me for doing this? And I just started kind of vomiting up all these and I just started kind of vomiting up all these fears. And then when they were all out of me, I looked back up at them. And I could just feel them looking, looking down at me with amusement almost. And they were like, okay, those are your fears. So what? And in that moment, it was almost hysterical because in the next millisecond, I got this incredible download realizing how much my ancestors had gone through, how much my family had gone through, how much I had gone through in this life, to go through all these obstacles, all these challenges for me to be sitting in this lawn chair, talking about this film I wanted to make, and realizing that it was achievable, that I could do it. And the only thing that was stopping me was all these ridiculous fears, because now they seem so small compared to what all these incredible ancestors have gone through. And I suddenly realized, oh my God, you're right. So what? And in that moment, actually, I realized I had tears running down my cheeks because it was such a beautiful like aha moment. And, you know, I lay there for a little longer kind of communing, you know, with them and speaking to them because it was just such an incredible connection. And you were like sober, like you weren't on any of us psychedelic or anything. No, we'd gone through this kind of just deep meditation and tea, and it was more, I just felt so connected to myself, to nature, to my girlfriends. That was a really important part of it, I realized. It was almost like a little coven we'd created right there of safety and vulnerability. So yeah, it was just so wildly incredible and shocking that this had just happened, that I almost couldn't believe it. And honestly, to this day, I don't know if I would believe it, it wasn't for my four girlfriends being there and hearing all this the second after it happened, and now them seeing how everything has come together after that. So after I had gotten up, you know, wipe my tears, went back down. The first thing I did was I went to my bedroom, I grabbed my phone. And because what had happened was, in the vision and in the puzzle pieces that had come, I had literally seen everybody that was meant to be a part of this. And so the first thing I did was I reached out to the first person I saw in my vision, which was a writing partner that I'd had, Rafael Agustín, where it worked on one thing together, but he was extremely busy. We'd never like really professionally collaborated other than this one small thing we'd done. And I texted him and I said, Rafa, I'm in the Redwoods. I just communed with, I think our ancestors, he's from Ecuador. And I got this vision that we're meant to do this, Isabel Allende animated short film together, and we're supposed to create an Oscar campaign, and I'm supposed to do this with you. And I hit send. And I waited a few minutes thinking, what the hell am I doing? And I saw the three little dots come up and I was like, okay, he's either going to block me forever or like, I don't know what. And I suddenly get his message back. And he writes, Oh my God, this is the craziest thing I've ever read. I don't know what you're talking about or what you're on. But I love every word of it. I am so in. And from that moment on, I was off to the races. And every single person in my vision that I've come to or gone to and asked to be a part of it from then on, including Isabel Allende has said yes. And so I want to talk about some of the pragmatic fears you had, because obviously nothing has stood in the way of this project wanting to get into the world. Yes. First one, have you ever directed anything? Never. Other than in college. Yeah. And so I just want the audience to know, like it is hard to get people to fund anything as a first time director, especially high level. Yes. And then Isabel Allende, I mean, it must be so expensive to option her book. She's one of the most famous writers in the world. So talk to me about how on earth you went about this and what happened? Yes. Well, what happened was, and actually, before that, let me just insert the fear part and the Oscar part because I don't want to forget to tell you this part. So what's amazing is the last little button of, and by the way, you're going to be putting together an Oscar campaign for this because of what you said, because of never having directed. It just sounded so audacious, so wildly like egotistically crazy to be like, I'm going to put together an Oscar campaign for something I don't even have the rights to or own. And as I've gone through this journey, I've realized that that last little bit was not about winning an Oscar, winning a statue. It was about telling myself because I am worthy of it. And those words were almost like the present day, this world, password to say, I'm worthy of this, I'm worthy of the best. And everybody I've brought onto the project telling them that, and by the way, we're going after an Oscar campaign has been a way to tell them because I think you're worth it. And one thing that I really realized is, as Latinos, and especially in this industry, the only thing that holds us back, not talent, not knowledge, not storytelling, not having each other, it's that fear that we're not worthy and that other people will not find as worthy. So those few words was just the, I found the very quick and easy way to tell people when I was pitching this, yeah, I'm standing here and I believe in myself, I'm worthy, you should believe in myself too, which is crazy because I would never, I'm such a humble person that to have those words come out of my mouth was almost the first challenge that they gave me. But that has kind of made me feel like, yeah, I can do this and you can all do this with me. So anyway, back to your question. Yeah, because I think like one, getting the rights, you know, to tell a story to a book from one of the most famous prolific, you know, bestselling authors in the world is no easy feat. And then fundraising is no easy feat. And I would imagine one of the most difficult things to fundraise for outside of documentaries, it's like, is short animated films. Animation is so crazy expensive, not to mention nowadays, animation is in a total slump. It's so hard to get anything made, even the big studios can barely find money to get anything done. So when I first went about this, to be crazy enough to want to bring this into the world and an disability and the story into the world, not even something that's for kids, and to get it funded and to make it 15 minutes long, it's like most people would have thought, including myself, by the way, before this vision came to me, that I was crazy. But what's funny is I didn't even know what story the vision was about. I had no idea. I didn't even know she had written short stories. I'd never read any of them. I'd only read her novels. So the first thing I did after Rafa said, I'm in, I got home, I was dying to get back home, I get in, and I immediately start googling, has Isabella again, they've written any short stories? And it turns out she's only written one book of compilations of short stories. And it was based on her novel, Eva Luna, and the short story compilation is called cuentos de valuna, basically stories of Eva Luna. And so the second I saw that I bought the digital copy because I could not wait for the hardcovered to come, bought the digital copy, started reading it right then and there. And the very first story I read was called dos baloras, two words. And I read the story, and as soon as I finished reading it, and it's just the short little story I knew with every cell of my being, oh my God, that, that is the story I meant to tell. And I knew so profoundly that I started reading the other stories. And it was weird. It was almost like my body was rejecting them because I didn't want to waste time. I was like, why am I wasting time? I know this is a story. I just trust the intuition. And so I immediately emailed Rafa, I took screen caps of it, sent them to him, I was like, this is it, this is the story we're meant to do. And he was just on board, you know, he was like, okay, that's the story we're meant to do now what? And I was like, okay, now, I guess we figure out who has the rights. So we write her a letter and actually Rafa wrote her the letter about me, which was so beautiful and humbling, because he put all his favors that he could possibly muster into this letter to her about me wanting to do the story and the why he writes her this letter. And then we wait. And about two weeks later, we hear back from the agents, and they kind of said, Oh, my God, yeah, those words. Yeah, that that happens to be her most beloved short story she's ever written. She wrote it in 1989. She's been asked for the rights by multiple people. And she has said no to every single one of them. They're like, so good luck. And we were like, okay. And the funny thing is most people would have been deterred by that and thought, Oh, my God, she doesn't give the rights to anyone. But all I could think was no one has the rights. That means it's possible. And then a couple weeks later, we get a call back from the agents and they're like, Oh, my God, this, this is crazy. We don't even know what's happening. This is so weird and rare. She read the letter. And she said, Yes, she said, yes, you can have the rights. And then we said, Okay, so we'll need the shopping rights, you know, for a year, because we're going to have to gather the funds first. And they said, Well, how much, how much do you want to give for the shopping rights? 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She said, yeah, she'll give you the shopping rights for a year for free and we were like, and I tell you, Kai, the moment the contract came in and her signature was on the contract next to my signature, I showed, the first person I showed was my mom. She burst into tears and she said, oh my God, your abuelitos would have been so proud to see this. And all I could think was, yeah, they see this, they help make this happen. And it was just so profoundly beautiful, you know. Because they would have known her too, I mean, growing up right now forever. Everybody, ask anybody in Latin America, yes, they know her. She's as famous as Stephen King. It's like Stephen King giving the rights to his most beloved short story to someone he's never met for nothing. Like, when does that ever happen? Never. But when that happened to me, I thought, okay, I have been given this precious gift, this beautiful baby that wants to be brought to life and somehow it's found its way to me and I'm going to do everything in my power to bring it up and bring it out into the world. And so then the next challenge, you have to Yes. You need to find money. So then have the shopping rights, now we need to have money, don't have much time. So I started, again, I first started reaching out to friends of mine that were artists that I admire hugely, mostly Latinos, some not, all of them immediately, resoundingly said yes. But the biggest part of the puzzle I had to put together was who the production company was going to be and or how I was going to get the money to hire a production company. And there's a yearly festival that's the biggest film festival for the animation industry in France called the Anise Film Festival. And one morning I just woke up and I thought, I have to go there. I meant to go to France and find what I'm looking for there, which sounds absolutely crazy. I was out of work. So was my husband at the time. And so to spend money to drop everything, leave our kids behind and go all the way to France, just sounded insane. But I just knew I had to do it. And so I booked it, we fly out there. And one of the companies I met with was Icon Creative Studio, I pitched them the story. And the most amazing thing happened. They said to me, Pilar, we can make this happen. And of course we want to do this with you. And I was like, wait, what? Whoa. I mean, usually to do a short, I mean, it can sometimes cost millions, you know, to make something, especially the quality I was going for. And here they were going, yeah, we can do this for you. And they reminded me that when they first got their start in the industry, I was one of the biggest advocates of theirs. And I helped them get their first job at Disney. And they said, don't you remember? You were our biggest supporter when we first started. Now we want to do this for you. And but I somehow knew I had to fly all the way to France, sit with them, look them in the eye, have this physical energy exchange for us to be on that same wavelength to then move forward with this giant gamble on both of our parts, mostly theirs, honestly. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty wild to go all the way to France. And that's like a big, bold swing when you are out of work. How to work at a supporting family. It's a huge swing when you're out of work. That would terrify me. So where are things at now? Is it out of production? Are you doing an Oscar campaign? What's the status? Yeah. So now we go into production next month. We already have the animatic pretty much locked and done. We've done our cast auditions, but it has just been in such beautiful flow. It has all just come together. And I have to say in directing this project, I've never felt more in flow, centered, feeling like it was something I was meant to be doing. Like everything has just felt so right all along the way. Even the words I use when I'm launching my artists or talking to them. And it's funny because this is a story about the power of words and the magic of words, but it's also a story about female empowerment and kind of the divine feminine. And sometimes, dudes that have nothing to do with this that have never heard of Isabelle Yen, then me talking to them about magical realism and her hair flows upside down because it's meant to symbolize water flowing upwards. For the first time in my life, I haven't held myself back as far as how I describe it or how I let it pour out of kind of my inner being. And I found that is absolutely been the way to go for all this. For people who feel like they have a download like this, a creative download that feels impossible. They've never directed anything. They don't have the option. They don't find the money. I mean, those are obstacles that I think turn people completely away from chasing their dreams. What would be your advice? My advice would be that it is partly believing in yourself, but the other huge part is doing the work and putting in the work. And I think there's a balance. One cannot exist without the other. And, you know, at the stage of my career, I feel like I couldn't have done this. I couldn't have told the story or taken on this responsibility at the beginning of my career. So I feel like I had to go on this journey to get to this point where, yes, A, I believe in myself, but B, know how to do it. And so bringing both of those things together is what is bringing this to life. So I would say to anybody that has a dream that wants to follow it, it's equal parts. You make it happen as much as the universe does. And you're kind of one in the same. So when I felt that calling, I could have pushed it aside, but I did the work to ask the universe, what is it to tell my friends, help me find it, to fly myself outplaces and look for it. And I almost feel like those were obstacles or challenges that were put in front of me to prove to myself that I was serious, that I really was committed to this story that was precious enough to choose me. And had I not chosen to do those things or intuitively follow that. Yeah, I think it would have kind of easily dissolved or left or gone to someone else. But one thing I feel strongly, it's that this story wants to be told now, it needs to be told, it wants to come to life. And I almost just feel like it's vessel and it's, I'm kind of following its lead, not the other way around. So whatever points me to or whatever I intuitively feel it's putting in my path, I've just wholeheartedly said yes and grabbed on and followed it as best I could. Can you just briefly in like two lines tell us what the story is about for those who don't know the short story? Those palabras, which means two words, is a story about the magic of words. And it's the story of a woman named Belisa Cripusculario, who comes from nothing. And in her journey, discovers that words make their way around us in the world. And that anyone, absolutely anyone with a little cleverness or you know, the mania we say in Spanish, which is kind of like the want, can grab a hold of them and create something magical. But it's also a story about our intention with those words, and that we have the power to bring those words to life. And we can use them for either darkness and tyranny or for love and inspiration. And it's truly what's within us and what our intention is that brings those words to full life. It's such, I mean, I just love that a story that is truly about big magic, the creative muse, existing around us, being wanting to be made manifest. That is the story that came and shows you through that exact same, I mean, it's like the story is mirroring your story. It's just so unbelievable, which is why I love this so much is when you hear what the story is about. The fact that it shows you the way it did. Yeah, I mean, I'm getting full body chills, you know, you just saying that because yeah, that's what I marvel at almost every day. And what's funny is that I was a little girl who wanted so badly to tell stories, but growing up, I actually was really afraid to speak. I was incredibly shy. And I was one of those little girls that was afraid to talk to anyone, even people I knew, I used to make my brother answer the phone when it rang, because I was so afraid to talk to anybody on the other line. And so speaking words, you know, into being with something I was terrified of growing up. And then to become a producer, I guess in this industry was a shock to me as well, because as a producer, you have to speak, you know, in so many meetings, you have to rally so many of the troops per se. And actually something I always tell so many of my young girl mentees is that you don't have to be the loudest person in the room. You don't have to be the one with the strongest words, you just have to be the one to listen and then repeat the words back with your strongest intent. And that is what I think makes the best creatives, the best producers is someone who leads by listening. And then repeating back the words that you hear, whether from your own intuition or from the intuition of others around you. Well, it's an incredible story. When can people expect to finally see it? Do you think? We're hoping to be done this year. And so to start the Film Festival route next year, which again is super fast in the world of animation. It's crazy that we could be done in a year, but that's our goal. So hopefully 27 slash 28 will have those polares be out in full magical, beautiful realism in the world. And have you talked to Isabel lately? Like, do you give her updates on things? We've sent her kind of images and what we've been doing. And I think we're going to hopefully get together with her soon. We have a press release coming out. She's given us a quote for so I'm super excited to have that press release out and to feel like it's real and that we're all partners. Now, and I'm just every part of my being is just so excited to have bring this story that is clearly wanting and dying to be out into the world at this time and to make it a reality about stories that are wanting and dying to be out in the world. I mean, that's what's so amazing about this circle. And in an animated form, during a time where animation is dying. And at a time when Isabella Yandas books, even though she's written so many, not one of them, which I can't believe has ever been translated to animation, even though she's one of the founders of magical realism, which is another thing that's just crazy to me. It's amazing. It's a brilliant story. Thank you so much for coming and sharing it. The first time I heard it from you, it was just like, this is, it's truly the big magic moment that so many creatives work for and want. Yes. But you're right. It's about effort and surrender. And thank you for asking me about it because. Beautiful. Yeah, it's been something really special to me. So thank you, Kai. I really appreciate it. Of course. Thank you, Pilar. That was awesome. Thank you, Kai. That's it for this episode of the Talk Tracks. But new episodes will be released every Wednesday. So stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones, that knit together our reality. 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