She Just Can’t Help It

Welcome back to Hulu's Tell Me Lies official podcast. I'm your host, Stassi Schroeder. So each week, I take you inside the episode, share the stories you didn't see on screen, and hang out with the cast and crew of season three of Tell Me Lies, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. And today, I'm thrilled to have two of the show's leading ladies on the podcast, Grace Van Patten and Catherine Missel, are here to catch us up on all the things Lucy and Brie. And Teela Dunn is here to help me sort through this week's chaos. But first, if you haven't seen it yet, here's a recap of episode four. Diana tries to schedule an abortion and runs into Molly, who immediately spreads the news. Stephen finds out and throws a fit to his bros. And can we please just take a moment for Wrigley in this scene? She's making a huge decision without consulting me first. I mean, what would she consult you about? I don't think she needs your permission. It's kind of up to her. Steven plots to use Diana's pregnancy to get back in with her dad, which is completely unhinged. But she obviously sees right through his plan and tells him that she can't wait to abort his baby. For the second time, Lucy gets called into the dean's office, this time with Katie and Marianne, who encourage Lucy to officially report that Chris sexually assaulted her. She just wants this all to be over instead, but then someone makes a Facebook page called Chris is a Rapist. Brie is invited to exhibit her photographs, but her joy is soon squashed when Oliver pulls her into his office and gaslights her. Wrigley, meanwhile, is stoked for Brie and assures her that she's not the insecure, needy girl Oliver said she was. Pippa has resorted to lying to Wrigley so she can sneak off to see Diana, and Lucy also turns to Diana, but for very different reasons. She's looking for support against the terror Stephen is unleashing on her. They actually have a sort of girl power bonding moment, but it's marred by the reminder that Stephen's holding Lucy's taped confession over her. Fast forward to 2015, we're back at the wedding, where Stephen figures out Brie and Wrigley's secret. Can I call you Kat? Because I hear that everyone calls you Kat and I want to feel like I'm in the crew. Yes, please call me Kat. I'm dying. Grace, Kat, Lucy, Brace. What's up? I'm fangirling so hard. I'm trying to keep it cool. But when I look at you two, I literally see me. I see me in my past. Y'all have triggered me in ways that I just... No, it's actually kind of like watching. It's like therapy to go through watching Tell Me Lies. But y'all are exceptional actors. And just the way that you've brought this to life is just so incredible. And I just wanted to just do that real fast. Thank you so much. Thank you. So let's just ask some fun questions first. Would you rather be Miley Stewart or Hannah Montana? Miley. Miley. But I'm Miley. You're Hannah. What? It's fun. I'll be Hannah. You know, I've never seen Hannah Montana. I'm older than you guys. You gotta watch. What was your show growing up? Lizzie McGuire. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, me too, by the way. Classic. Lizzie McGuire, Until I Die. Mine was Wizards of Waverly Place. Yeah. Oh, okay. I was, like, obsessed. Obsessed. That was Disney, right? Yeah. Two? Yeah, I'm older than you guys. There's a Disney kid. But, like, that's okay. Whatever. Barely. Would you rather date Shrek or the old man from Up? I don't know I feel like this one's easy the old man from Up I don't remember the old man from Up Shrek is true Shrek's a monster but we'd have to be a monster then we'd be Fiona and we'd have a cute little cottage what if their cottage is cute yeah on the swamp with donkey the cottage makes sense okay fine cottagecore cottagecore wait i'm a cottagecore girly like my whole tiktok so cute so much cottagecore dark academia cottagecore like no it's oh my god okay so shrek we're all moving into that cottage can i ask you what is your tiktok algorithms i don't have i don't have one talk i have pinterest rare breed we don't what do you do ever when you lay down in bed tv yeah Facebook Marketplace. Facebook Marketplace is such a good. Venmo. You guys are like 89. I know. I know. I don't even know what Facebook Marketplace is. You like buy furniture. We're both kind of like, well, I'm decorating my house. You're always like decorating. Yeah. So I feel like that's, you can get really great stuff. This is fascinating. Yeah. You don't have TikTok. I know. Do you guys regularly use your Instagram or is it mainly just for your jobs? Job for me. I'm trying to get better, though. We're always trying to get better at social media. I'm really bad at it. It gives me anxiety. Same. I don't have it on my phone. Like, it's not downloaded and it hasn't been for months. And, like, I'm supposed to post things and I have to get on there. I actually have to redownload it, like, for that. You will once the show comes out. Oh, I love this. We all help each other. You guys go and you get tucked into your beds and she scrolls on Pinterest. You scroll on Facebook Marketplace. You guys are just so pure. I know. Aw. Aw. That's so cute. Okay. What on-screen female duos inspire how you play Brie and Lucy? Have y'all ever talked about this? Are there any on-screen duos that you're like, Brie and Lucy? Miley and Lily. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. That's funny. Bree Gance Lily, for sure. Way. Totally. Way. I mean, like, I want to say Thelma and Louise. Not that they've ever been involved in a... Maybe, like, OC vibes, like Marissa Cooper. Oh, totally. That's a really great answer. Those two? Yes. Like, we give that a bit. Yes. That's a really great answer. And One Tree Hill. I watched both those shows before shooting the series. You did? Yeah. Actually, that makes sense to watch that for research. Yeah. Yeah. A group of toxic friends. Yeah. You know? And like the music definitely hits too. Like those old throwbacks. Yeah. I feel like. Okay. How do you feel like your character's relationship together has evolved over the years? Season one seems like so long ago. And I do think like everyone, every character has evolved so much and has been through so much in such a short amount of time. but I do feel like they've they found their groove more than ever this season like first season it's very much like everyone's kind of in it for themselves they're in a new school it's like this chance to reinvent themselves and they're yeah they all have these new relationships and they're kind of like taking the the female friendships for granted I feel like yeah and then second season we were like each other's confidants and like we totally held each other's secrets and I feel like that built such a trust. Yeah I feel like too they're they're trauma bonded but for reasons they might not even like understand from each other totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No I can totally see that and I mean this season you choose Brie over Steven. Like that you have always only ever chosen Steven. Yeah, that's true. That is just, to me, seeing female friendship is always just like my fucking favorite part. I don't know. Yeah, I agree. And yeah, I was proud of Lucy in that moment. Reading it, I was like, not expecting her to choose a girl over Steven. It's like, she has not made those decisions. What do you think Brie and Lucy understand about each other that makes them such close friends? I know you said the trauma-bonded thing. I think there's a darkness to both of them maybe like underneath the surface. I mean a repressed sense. Repression. Yeah. I think they're both bottled up in a certain way that like maybe because of that they feel safe with each other or something. And I mean it's like anyone who's been through hell together. It's like is it a true bond or is it trauma bond? And, you know, you see in the future that they still have that deep friendship. But there's also so much guilt involved. Like, Lucy is— So much guilt. It's so much overcompensation to, like, make Brie believe that Lucy is there for her. But she's really just feeling so incredibly guilty all the time for sleeping with a man. Do you think all college kids are going through this? Is this happening everywhere? I hope not. I really hope not. Because it's like, it's my experience that it is. And then I watching this and I like oh it happening on TV too Now I don want to send my kids to school It scary Yeah I think it does happen unfortunately But I don't know. Also, are kids just on TikTok now? Are they even engaging with each other? Okay, my kids aren't old enough to do that yet. I'm trying to stay away. So why do you think, though, Lucy chose Brie over Steven? I think she finally, I mean, I think Lucy's been fed up a million times, but just doesn't ever listen to her intuition, which is part of the problem. Like, I don't, I believe that Lucy knows Stephen is wrong for her. She just can't help it. It's like she's addicted to him. He is a drug to her. And whenever she breaks from it, it's like she's somehow pulled back to him. And I think this was just one of the many opportunities she's had to like listen to her intuition and her gut. And she did for a hot second. Do you feel like any of it is partly like a win for Lucy as well? Like a power move? Does she feel validated when she gets that back? I think so. I do think so. And I think they both like feed off of each other's like weakness. So like when Lucy sees Steven be a little weak, she leans in and vice versa, which is so messed up. It's all dark and fucking twisted. Well, we see this week that Lucy turns to Diana. It's like of all people. I also love when that happens. You know what I mean? It's really sweet. How did it feel to see that Lucy and Diana started to see eye to eye? I loved it. I thought I was waiting for that to happen because it's such a good opportunity to show. like these two girls bonding over what they've been. They've dealt with the same issues and the same person just trying to ruin their lives for years. I know, you guys should be best friends. I know. Like you would think. You would think. You know, you're obviously similar because Stephen. He's drawn to some aspect. Yes, drawn to both of you. Yeah, yeah. And now you can also trauma bond. I mean, I feel like I've done that with all my exes, ex-girlfriends. I think it's underrated. It is underrated. I do. We might need to ask a professional about whether that's right or not. I think it depends what the intention is. Yes, yeah. I just feel like it's trauma bonding. It's fun to be like, he did this to you. He did this to you. Cool, cool. It's validating. You're smart. You're hot. I'm smart. I'm hot. See, we're just cool, smart, hot girls that went through the same thing. Yeah, and the guy is the stupid one. Yeah. Yeah. It's always the guy. I would say it's healthy. It is always the guy. Yeah. I said it. It's always the guy. what about the female friendships on this show do you feel like are most personal to you guys I know it's a deep question well we're friends in real life like all of us bonded a lot over filming and so I think that like a lot of that chemistry is just you can see it on screen because it's real yeah and there's no we don't have to try and feel close and it's also like because we're so close like in scenes where Kat is upset or Sonia is upset it like truly really makes me so upset we're like oh my god don't cry please don't cry it really feels real was it like that from the beginning I mean we all instantly connected and like got along but like it totally we only get closer and closer that's so lucky because I feel like I hear about casts all the time just like hating going to work because they don't get along with their coworkers. Yeah. And then you guys all seem... I know. It is rare. It's lucky. It's really lucky. We're really lucky. Thanks. Well, Oliver... I so fucking hate Oliver. Oh, God. The worst. Oliver and Marianne, they have this, like, weirdly strong, like, hold over both of you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Why? Both of you. She's such a powerful woman. so they've powerful women have a lot of you know power power um i mean i think for lucy it was like lucy really saw marianne as like a motherly figure i think which she lacks hardcore so when this woman was like taking care of her and like trying to see her and understand her i think the heartbreak of like realizing how messed up she is was like really really alarming for lucy um and also but before that having to like protect brie in the situation because lucy didn't want to hurt mary it was just a very uncomfortable situation in general very twisted so bad i know it's the same with with brie like i think she seeks a motherly figure out of Marianne and a fatherly figure out of all of her. That's so crazy. She needs a whole family. How does Brie want the world to see her? And how do you think she sees herself? Well, I think when we see her, especially like this season, she's fresh off of like this toxic, toxic relationship. And so she's like just been manipulated and she's really insecure. and um i think she's aware of her insecurity and like trying her hardest all the time to overcome it and um like she kind of never does that she never really gets to a secure place and she looks for security within her relationships within her friendships and her friends aren't very secure people. But then, you know, with Evan, like he's got that bit of security for her. So I think she feels safe with him. And, you know, there's that, that back and forth with them. I just want to say Brie is not needy. Like when Oliver says that to Brie, no, she's fucking not. Well, she was just like gaslit. That was a shit ton of gaslighting. People who aren't loved enough during childhood don't know how to function in adult relationships. That was crazy. That was an insane scene to watch. I feel like these people really exist. And I'm like getting too wrapped up. And I'm like, I'm getting really upset. It makes me stress. I get why people like are so stressed watching it. Yeah, like visceral response. Yeah. Stressful. Okay, well, also your character, I would say, has the most life experience, like out of the whole group. yet at times she feels like she's the most naive I think she's just had a different life experience to everyone like just maybe not the most relatable life experience like you know she's gone through shit but like so have has everyone and I think she just a lot of times like puts on the blinders because she just wants things to work out the way that she pictures them. And maybe she sees the cracks and sees the bad but just keeps going because that's what she's always known to do. It's kind of sad. It is sad. I know. Okay, I'll lighten the mood and just ask a fun question. What was your favorite scene to film together? I liked the finales. Oh, that was the best. Yeah, the finale was really fun. And we can't give anything away, but it is great. Have you ever seen Legally Blonde? Of course. You know the part where she goes to get the alibi and she comes back and she has it and he's like, so what is it? She's like, I can't tell you. It's really, really good. Yeah. That's what I feel like. Okay, tell me about a scene that made you really proud of Brie and Lucy. Is there one that you're just like, oh my gosh, that was so much like hashtag growth for both of us. This goes back to the last question of favorite scenes to film. and we're dancing and we're on MDMA. That was really fun and really cute. And crazy as well. Crazy. But it really set the tone for their closeness this season, I feel like. Drugs will do that to you. That's true. Drugs and trauma. And they have both. And it just really, I feel like they're kind of sharing a world this whole season with like Alex and Brie doesn't know it, but like Lucy's whole, you know, Brie over Stephen thing. The Evan thing even. Evan, like they're very intertwined in this way that like it's not like they even necessarily speak about it a lot. It's just like it's interesting to see like are they staying close and like being there for each other? Is it 1000% genuine? Like it's really hard to understand, but I don't think they even know. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But it's cool to watch and be like, what are everyone's intentions here? Mm-hmm. You know? Y are the cutest little friend duo Okay Also in this week episode Brie beats Steven at his own game at the wedding okay what it like to see him finally losing we at the bar and i kind of yeah i make a couple comments but really like does steven ever lose does he lose ever what's winning to steven He doesn't know what happiness is. He's lost. That's true. I think so. That's what I would tell myself if I was one of his victims. Yeah. I'd be like, he will never know true happiness. Yeah. That's very true. But in that moment, when you do say, I'm not going to let one little thing ruin the rest of my life, and then he's just kind of, what? Yeah. Like, first of all, what a loser to be holding on to, like, an audio message for eight years. Drive for loser. That's so lame. I know. Also at the wedding, he puts the pieces together about Wrigley and Brie. How did you react when you saw that in the script? Oh, my God. I was like, what happens next? What happens next? I loved reading that. The end of four, it was just like, it felt like a puzzle. It was like Clue. And you're like, everyone's looking at each other and finding. It was, I love, that's one of my favorite endings of an episode, I think. Yeah. the dancing and right it's the dancing they're dancing and steven's like seeing them look at each other and he goes through his phone you know what the wriggly thing came out of nowhere and then it became my favorite relationship and i was like sweet this is genius and i fucking love it yeah yeah i i agree i think they're both like sweethearts you know at the end of the day yeah it's like they both would be they both would be different people if they weren't surrounded by like the rest of us. It's like they have the most potential, I feel like. Yes. Okay, when you guys aren't working, like what is a typical day like? Ooh. If you have the day off, what is like, oh, this is my like average day. This is what I do. I want to know what the girls of Tell Me Lies are doing. I'm still figuring it out. That's my problem. I'm like, okay, let's see. If I wake up and have like nothing to do, I usually like a walk. We live in the same area. so you know it's like good for walks yeah we just found out we're neighbors we're neighbors and i've seen stassi on the street and i've been too nervous to go up to her so and i feel so cool but now i will i saw you at the little like the town christmas party where they go oh my god and you were holding your baby and i literally was with jackson and i'm like that's stassi that's he's like go up and say i'm like what did i even say and it was a whole i think we sat there for like 10 minutes and then I that was so long ago yeah my baby is two now oh my god like he was just a few months old I remember that and I was like what is this weird thing that our neighborhood staring at me that is wild what do you do well I have two kids okay so that's so I don't really get to planned out do whatever I want every day is different in a different way yeah you know what I mean, but this also isn't about me. Sorry, I'm just having a normal conversation. This is just really fun. Okay, I promise I will wrap this up now. You guys, that was so much fun to have you here. It was amazing. Thank you. Seriously, you guys have made like the best show. And I love both of you guys. After the break, me and Tila Dunn get into this week's episode. Okay, Tila. I know you are like Tell Me Lies number one fan. Genuinely. We're going to do episode 304. But before we get into Tell Me Lies stuff, I just wanted to ask you some random questions. I would love nothing more. Okay. Are you a TikTok early? I am. What's one thing you've posted and immediately regretted but left up anyway? Oh, probably any of my, not any, but like anything that has to do with like my relationships growing up on the internet. I used to like vlog a lot on YouTube when I was like 18, 19, 20, 21. And, you know, I'm a very honest person on the Internet. I show the good, the bad, the ugly. But, you know, I was just like a young little girl in love. And so I would do these like boyfriend tags and like vlog with date night and all this stuff and like show my relationships in such crazy depths that like, yeah, they would get a lot of views. But it also just was just TMI. Just certain things should not be on the Internet. Wait, which character do you think would most want to be an influencer? Ooh, that's hard. Honestly, I feel like Lucy. Because Lucy, if you think about it, she just tries so hard to be liked. And she wears a lot of hats that I feel like she would want to be an influencer. Yeah, I just don't feel like she ever really fully commits to anything. And trust, you know, it's hard to be an influencer. It is. You got to hustle and you got to keep at it. And like, yeah, I could see her drive. I could so see Lucy being like an influencer that does like a little bit of everything and then like quits. Like she would be like, oh, my God, like I'm, you know, look at me. I'm doing DIYs. And she's like, oh, I hate this. Oh, my God. Like I'm a fitness influencer. Oh, this is so annoying. Oh, my God. I'm doing a makeup tutorial. And then she just goes for a year. I could so see that. You're so valid. I mean, it happens to the best of us. But I guess out of all of them, it would be Lucy. I don't see that for Diana. Not at all. Too private. Yeah. I don't see that for Brie. At all. I don't see that for Pippa. Definitely not Pippa. No. Pippa would be like, I feel like Pippa would be like cursing people out online. Yeah, totally. She'd be on like TikTok live like, leave me alone. Yes. You're so right. So that would never work. Okay. What character or moment could you talk about for hours with your friend group? Which I have a feeling you're like, all of it, bitch. All of it. All of it. I mean, it depends on like what category. Are we talking more toxic? Are we talking more sexy? because there's a lot of sexy scenes. I remember the one scene where I was like, oh my goodness, what show is this? I'm hooked. Was when Lucy was studying and her and Stefan were kind of like, I don't know, Stephen? Stephen. Stephen. You can't forget the name of the devil. I know. He literally is. He shall not be named, honestly. They were arguing and bickering or whatever and she was studying and all this stuff and then they just started hooking up. It was so hot in her dorm. I was like, oh my God. But then there's so, I don't know, there's so many scenes. I would just say, like, Stephen fascinates me because he's such a, first of all, amazing actor. Like, kind of scary how great at acting he is. Yes. But his character just fascinates me so much because he's so complex. He's such a master manipulator. And I feel like he blackmails a lot. Like, he loves to just get in there. He loves a good blackmail. He loves holding on to shit for eight years. Yeah, and he just loves to hold on to every little piece and thing that Lucy does and then hold it over, honestly, any person that he dates. He holds it over their heads. So I feel like just any scene where you really get to see his true self come out, especially his dynamic with his sister, how he likes to manipulate Diana's dad. Just a lot of, I don't know. It's fascinating watching him because it's like watching a serial killer. Yes, I would agree with you that Steven is the main character that I feel like I talk about the most. I debrief the most about him with my friends because I'm like, oh my God, what did he do? I feel personally attacked by Steven. Me too. At all times. Me too. And I put myself in Lucy's shoes. I'm like, oh my God, if I was like this young, like 19 year old or 18 year old, I don't know, freshman in college, however, you know, starting out and like this guy just seemed like he was so perfect and so lovey-dovey and then master manipulates me, I'm just like, I don't know how I would handle it. Yeah. But if you come at me like that now, maybe you're being blocked, reported, and sued. Trust. Would you rather have your DMs be leaked to your mom or your search history be leaked to your friends? I'm such an open book. I don't really care either. Wait, I feel the same way. I'm like, I would love if my mom looked through my DMs. Like, I have nothing to hide. I don't care if anyone sees my DMs and my search history. I would be afraid to see my own DMs because some people DM me crazy things. things but I'm not dming anybody anything crazy yeah and I'm so close to my mom I'm my best friend so like I wouldn't care and also I'm so close with my friends that are like group chats either way I don't care yeah and the search search history would probably be like everyone's is weird I know if your search history isn't weird then you're weird then you're weird yes also my search history is just like me like I don't know looking at directions I thought you were just gonna say my search history is just like me. Like you just Google yourself. Oh no, no, no, not that. But like, I don't know. My search history sometimes is like looking up celebrities' heights. Because after I watch a show, I'm like, oh my god, they look so tall. I wonder how tall they are. I look up everyone's ages. Oh, that too. Yeah. And like a lot of IMDb's because I'm an actress as well and I love like looking at that. I don't know. I have nothing to hide. That's how I feel about Wikipedia. I never land on IMDb. But bet your ass anytime I'm watching a show I'm landing on that person's Wikipedia. Yeah, I'm a big IMDb girl. Okay, let's get into the tell me lies stuff. If you could have one of the characters as a best friend in your group, who would it be? Ooh Ooh It definitely wouldn be Lucy I so sorry It like as much as I love Lucy I have like a soft spot for her and I was Lucy at a point in my life I think everyone was Like I was Lucy but like You don need that as a ride or die And she does try. You know what I mean? Like she tries to be ride or die, but in her good intentions, she's always making mistakes. Always. And she's pretty, when you really buckle it down, she's kind of selfish when it really, you know, I mean, she's so messy in her own life. How can she help anybody else? Yeah. And I feel like that goes for anybody, too. It's like if you are going through so much chaos in your life, how can you be there for anybody else when you can't even be there for yourself? Yeah. I feel like Diana. Me, too. I love her. I think we have the same opinion on almost everything in this show. I agree. Yes. I love her. Diana, I see no issues with her. Neither do I. So even when I wanted to throw my phone at the wall when she walked down with Stephen, I was like, well, Stephen was hers first. Yeah, I know. So it's like, do we really hate her? No. Yeah. Don't hate the player. hate the game. No, I know. She got the prize first. So in this episode Molly finds out that Diana is pregnant and suddenly everyone knows. Which like, fuck Molly. I get so mad thinking about that. She had one job and that was to just keep this secret. Yeah. Like just like she literally said, Diana said, don't tell. And then Molly just went and told. See, Molly's problematic because I had a friend like this growing up. I'd say between the ages of 18 to like 23. one of my most toxic girl friendships ever. But this was like, she was like the ringleader, you know? She thought that she was like, she was basically like Regina George, if you will. And when I first became friends with her, I was like, oh my God, she's just taking me under her wing. She was a little older than me. She seemed so cool, so nice. The more I got to know her, I realized she told me every freaking secret about all of her best friends that I never met. That's a huge red flag. dangerous person. That is a dangerous person. You are correct. And then, because I was so young, I realized, oh my god, you think, because you're best friends with that person, they're never going to do that to me. She's just telling me this because she trusts me. No, she's a gossiper who spreads everybody's information. I didn't know these people and suddenly I knew every little crazy secrets that to this day I'm like, oh my god, I feel so bad that I know this about this person that I shouldn't know. And then she started doing that with me when we became not friends anymore. Duh. Like, duh. Yeah. So, like, Molly is a dangerous woman because I don't, like, if somebody confides in you with something that is very vulnerable and they really trust you, it's so rude to do that. So I don't trust Molly. No. Molly, get the heck out of here. Straight to jail. Molly, mm-mm. Have you ever had the rumor about you spread, like, wildfire? Absolutely. Where do I begin? Oh. I will say. The floor is yours. Let's talk about a really funny rumor. The other ones are just, like, so dumb. but okay I was on this podcast like two years ago and I was just reminiscing on like we're just talking about dating stories and all these things and I casually dated a child actor can you tell me which one um okay no I see this hesitation love him down he's in a new relationship now it didn't work out great guy he wasn't my match and I broke up with him we move on there's nothing wrong with though but I never said who the guy was on the podcast suddenly everyone in the comments like the video actually blew up on TikTok like the clip of the podcast got like millions of views and then the search bar turned into this rumor and all of the comments were like oh my god I can't believe Tila and the guy who played Hannah Montana's older brother like fully dated and are fully dating I think his name is Jason Earl people fully think that I had a full-blown relationship with the guy who played Hannah Montana's older brother. Mind you, never met him. I think he's like 40 with children. I think I'm taller than him. Like, where did we get this? Everybody's like, oh my God, Teal and Jason are all like, oh my God. This is the second time Hannah Montana has come up in this Tell Me Lies podcast. Really? Yes. It all goes back to that. It all comes back to Hannah Montana. Yeah. But that's really wild. And mind you, never met him. Not like we follow each other on the internet. And I've met a lot of actors in my life. I've never been in the same room as this man. So like if you ever ran into him would you be like I'm really sorry that was so fucking weird. No if I ran into him tomorrow I would milk it. I would be like we have to take a photo together. The internet thinks that you're my ex. And he would be like okay cool. I'm pretty sure he's like 40 with kids. Okay I need to google him. It's so funny. He's like this really like short tiny like old white man. So random. And he's just like he could be married with kids. I don't know. I've never seen this. Like I've never met this man. But yeah, it just snowballed. And like, God bless him. Okay, well, also in this episode, Lucy gets called into the dean's office again. Were you a good student or were you the kind that got in trouble? I grew up being such a goody-goody. Like, I was not rebellious at all. There was like no rebellious teen. I've never been no— Never snuck out. I never like lied to my parents. No. I didn't have a boyfriend until I was almost 19 years old. Wait, don't be the same person. Wait, like, are we looking in the mirror right now? No, this is kind of crazy. Yeah. Like I was, I was a boring teenager. Everything you're saying. I just made good grades, did what I had to do and like chilled out on the weekends with like just my friends. That's it. And like my mom liked my friends and like she knew about it. It was no like lying, sneaking out, like, which there's nothing wrong with that. If that's what you want to do. I was just like way too much of a goody goody to ever do that. No, it didn't even like cross my mind. I was just like, I don't know. I'm pretty chill and happy. Yeah. You're like, oh, well to this day, like call me corny. Rule follower. Rule follower. There's a reason the world works. Yes. Because we put rules in place. And when you don't, if you don't have rules, it's dysfunction. Yes. Why do you think Lucy's unhinged? Thank you. She doesn't follow anything. Yes. If you don't have structure, you just fall apart. This is why you built a proper foundation. I'm sorry. I'm super type A. I might sound boring. I'm definitely not boring. Trust me. I'm a lot of fun. But I'm such a rule follower. To this day, like, never got in trouble with the law. like never like got a speeding ticket never like had any run-ins with the cops never been to jail never like i don't do anything like that ever i've never stole like i don't know i've never had to i've never been sent to get detention ever in my life mind you i have gone to normal schools till the fifth grade and then i was homeschooled but still like i never that's okay you are a good girl you're a rule follower i am as am i with that let's talk about that there's no that's We're making the world go around. A better place. We're making the world a better place. We're making the world a better place. Not everything has to be unhinged. Yes. My gosh. It's stressful. And final Tell Me Lies question. So, Stephen figures out that Brie and Wrigley are a thing when he sees them give each other the look at the wedding. So, like, they're dancing. Okay? Evan and Brie, Wrigley and Pippa. but they're like they're accidentally making eyes with each other but also trying not to and like there's anger between them or whatever and Steven fully sees it have you ever gotten that kind of longing stare? Absolutely. You have? I don't feel like anyone's tried to stare at me. I don't know if I've gotten reciprocated the stare. I have like, you have pretty big eyes too. I have very like animated big eyes so if i'm like i'm a bold person if i'm interested in a person i will make that eye contact and i'm also very bold i don't really i don't think there's anything wrong with like introducing yourself to someone because like what's the worst that can happen you didn't even know who the person you didn't even know that person existed yeah it's like who cares um but yeah there's been times in my past where i've made the eyes and then that person just walks right up to me and they're like who are you and i'm like hi have you ever made the eyes and had someone no no that's good for you which is great that's cool for you but i also everything i don't like to make the eyes at anybody where i feel like they'd be like unapproachable or like i don't know i like to feel it out i haven't made eyes in like 15 years why well i'm married oh period and i don't like let's just say like i had to make eyes at someone i wouldn't even know how Yeah, you're like, what? No, I should probably practice more on my husband. Wait, how did you two meet? Through mutual friends that were trying to set us up. But like, you know, I'm sure I made some sort of eyes back then. Oh, you need to make that, make those eyes to your husband for sure. I think he'd be like, what's wrong? What's wrong with you? Yeah. Do you have something in your eye? Are you okay? Yeah, he'd be like, why are you doing that? Why are you doing this to your eye? He'll be like, you're scaring me. No, I'm just kidding. No. You have beautiful eyes, by the way. Thank you. But I don't think it would translate into making the flirty eyes. Okay. Yeah. I love them. The ship has sailed. The flirty ice ship has sailed for me. She said no hard eyes here. No hard eyes. Anyway, thank you so much for being here. That's it for now. And thank you for listening. And stay tuned for next week's episode of the Tell Me Lies official podcast. 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