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The Best Housewife Tipper, Porsha's New Chapter, & Slaying Drag Race AND Traitors Ft. Monét X Change

35 min
Apr 7, 202611 days ago
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Summary

Monét X Change discusses her evolution from New York nightlife queen to television personality, covering her experiences on Drag Race, The Traitors, and her current stand-up comedy tour. The conversation explores reality TV production, the changing landscape of drag culture, and her approach to authenticity across different entertainment mediums.

Insights
  • The professionalization of drag has shifted from grinding in local venues to bedroom queens entering the industry with high rates, reducing the work ethic foundation that built the art form
  • Reality TV production is far more complex than viewers perceive—Survivor uses 20+ cameras and drones while maintaining the illusion of isolation, whereas Drag Race's visible production doesn't break immersion
  • Authenticity on television is the differentiator; audiences can detect performative behavior, making genuine personality more valuable than calculated character choices
  • Cross-platform success requires commitment to craft—Monét treats stand-up comedy as a serious art form requiring years of material development, not just a side hustle for entertainment personalities
  • Legacy franchises like Real Housewives and Survivor maintain relevance through casting evolution and format adaptation, though longtime fans often resist change
Trends
Reality TV casting increasingly includes entertainment personalities and influencers rather than civilians, changing competitive dynamics and audience expectationsDrag performers are diversifying into acting, comedy, and mainstream television roles, establishing drag as a launchpad rather than a terminal careerAuthenticity and vulnerability in entertainment are becoming more valued than polished personas or calculated villain editsStand-up comedy is experiencing a resurgence among entertainment personalities, with emphasis on legitimate craft development over celebrity novelty actsReality TV production transparency is increasing—audiences now understand the behind-the-scenes complexity, affecting how they consume and critique showsLGBTQ+ representation in mainstream reality television has normalized, shifting from novelty to expected inclusion across franchisesNostalgia marketing and retro aesthetics (2016 Instagram, early reality TV formats) are resonating with audiences fatigued by constant platform changesThe Real Housewives franchise continues to evolve cast composition and storylines to maintain relevance, with mixed reception from longtime viewers
Companies
RuPaul's Drag Race
Monét discusses her experience competing on the show and how it launched her career into mainstream television
The Traitors
Monét competed as a Faithful on the reality competition show, discussing production scale and her experience on set
Survivor
Monét participated in a Survivor influencer experience and discusses the show's production complexity and potential f...
Real Housewives of Atlanta
Monét is a longtime viewer and superfan, discussing cast changes, franchise evolution, and upcoming seasons
Netflix
Mentioned as a streaming platform where Survivor seasons are available for viewing
Instagram
Discussed regarding platform changes, UI updates, and nostalgia for 2016-era design and functionality
MTV
Referenced for producing Jersey Shore and Flora Bama reality television shows
America's Next Top Model
Monét discusses watching the show as a young gay viewer and its cultural impact on her formative years
People
Monét X Change
Guest discussing her career evolution from NYC nightlife to mainstream television and stand-up comedy
RuPaul
Mentioned as the host of Drag Race; Monét references his advice about being authentic on television
Bob the Drag Queen
Monét's friend and fellow Drag Race winner who also competed on The Traitors; gave her advice about authenticity
Porsha Williams
Cast member on The Traitors whom Monét was excited to meet; discussed her evolution and coming out as lesbian
Erica Jane
Housewife who tipped Monét over $1,000 at a drag show in 2015-2016 before Drag Race fame
Alan Cumming
Host of The Traitors who assigned Monét as a Faithful rather than a Traitor, which she felt was a missed opportunity
Candice Warner
Cast member on The Traitors who made an observation about the show's focus on Traitors over Faithfuls
Natalie Anderson
Survivor winner who appeared on The Traitors cast; Monét was excited to meet her as a Survivor fan
Tyra Banks
Host of ANTM; Monét discusses her theatrical personality and recent Santa Mica appearance
Mateo Lane
Friend of Monét's who is a purist about stand-up comedy; influences her approach to the craft
Nicole Byer
Friend of Monét's who is deeply committed to stand-up comedy as a serious art form
Maura Higgins
The Traitors cast member known for creative wig styling solutions during the competition
Kenya Moore
RHOA cast member whose departure was discussed; speculation about potential return to the franchise
Kandi Burruss
Upcoming cast member joining RHOA; Monét had her on her talk show and praised her warmth and professionalism
Brittany Erica
Departing RHOA cast member whom Monét describes as toxic and is happy to see leave the franchise
Quotes
"I basically like the cities I have, but they have good dick in them. Do you have the good dick and the good cheeseburgers?"
Monét X ChangeOpening segment
"I do kind of miss those days because there is, to me, there is nothing like the grit and the professionalism that it taught me to be a New York City working queen."
Monét X ChangeMid-episode
"I'm not trying to go on TV and be the villain or be the bad guy or be the funny girl or be this, I'm just going on stage to be on stage on TV to be Monet. And I think that who you are will always shine through."
Monét X ChangeMid-episode
"I would never want to come behind those fierce friends and half ass comedy. I'm doing it for real. I'm really proud of it."
Monét X ChangeLate episode
"The show is called Traders. It's not called Faithfuls. What's going to be a Faithful? Traders are the stars."
Candice Warner (quoted by Monét)Mid-episode
Full Transcript
Do you have like favorite places that you go on tour that you've been back to a bunch now? Yes, I love Portland. Great Dick in Portland. Okay. I basically like the cities I have, but they have good dick in them. Basically. Do you have the good dick and the good cheeseburgers? It's like the the tour manager is like, okay, we got to go to these markets. Rio de Janeiro, please. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the mentioned at all podcast. I am so excited to be joined today by an iconic guest, you know, Monet exchange from drag race, from traders, from, from this dot and the other thing. And I'm excited to get into it. Hello Monet. Hello. I thought we were recording all that time before we had such good conversation already. You know, good. Roll it. They could chop it up from the top. It's like, if you said anything you didn't want, then we wouldn't use it. But, you know, you never know. You know, anytime I go into a building, I just assume from the, from, I, for the time I walk into the door, I'm being recorded. Well, where were you stopping the housewives in here? And sometimes, you know, they'll be talking like the real shit. And then they're like, oh, sorry, we're not. Gaggy. You know, I just met Erica Jane again for the, at least Serena had a thing in her home. Yes. Her book launching and Erica Jane was there. And I was like, Erica, I don't know if you remember me. She was like, I know you from traders. I was like, no, no, no bitch. We met before. She was like, when she was like, one night I was doing before drag race. I was doing my show at industry bar. Yes. And she walked in, this was like 2015, 2016. And she walked in with some girlfriends and Erica Jane came on that stage and made it, she took me over $1,000. She just was just every, every number. 100. 100. 100. Because this was in the days when Erica was rolling in it. Girl. And I was like, girl, come back every week. I paid my rent on time that month. At industry too. I feel like you're like, okay, like we got a, you know, a dollar, please. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She made it rain. I love that. Because I feel like industry is where the tourists go who don't know that they are supposed to tip a queen. And so it's like, they'll be sitting not watching like it's golf. This is not golf girl. This is a drag show. Engage, laugh, smile, tip. It's fun to think about those times now when before drag race and everything, to think of you just like hosting an industry on a random night. A random night, honey. It was the it night, honey. I was Tuesday night. That was Bad Dread Queens on Tuesday night. And I used to pack industry out. You hear me? And then the Hannity, I think Holly Box brings it. She then she tanked the show and she got fired. So do you ever, do you ever miss those days when you were like really having to hustle to like, to make it happen for yourself? You know, I do kind of miss those days because there is, to me, there is nothing like the grit and the professionalism that it taught me to be a New York City working queen, right? Yes. Like going from doing three bars, going from literally on Sundays, I would go from Intermezzo brunch, go home, take off the bottom half of my face, take a little nap, go down to hardware from my 10 o'clock show with Ms. Cracker, then go do the monster at 1am, look queen. So like, and that taught me just to work hard. Like I think a lot of these new girls, they come and they're these bedroom queens, then they pop out their bedroom talking about my book and fees 150. Where? Where? Why are my paying you 150 dollars? Have you ever even hustled? You haven't grinded to earn that 150. I feel like when you, when you came on Drag Race for the first time, it felt like it was at sort of a little bit of a turning point where a lot of the people that were coming on the show had, before were these like career queens who had really worked and been in the industry. And then it was like, then it was people who had watched Drag Race and said, oh, I want to do that. Yeah. How can I get there? Yeah. And it's, yeah, it's, I mean, it's so many talented people and, you know, in every era, but it's, yeah, it's definitely changed. Yeah, I think so too. Like back then, you know, like, you know, in my, like my era, you know, you had, you know, before Ms. Peppermint and you had Bob, Bianca, like people who were like working New York and also in cities around the country. Yeah. Aja O'Hara used to do the Rose Room. That was her gig. Like a lot of queens worked in, there was steeped in Nightlife and Drag. And now you're seeing queens who were inspired by that. I think the next evolution of the show is they need to bring in the good old, like the Mimi Marks, the, the, the, the Jackie Beats, the Cherry Vine, give us like the queens who were before the ones that were the Golden Era Drag Race and like give us those because I want to see that. I want to see how, how, how can this cane is going to react to an acting challenge. I want to see, it will be revolutionary. It'll be amazing. These 22 year olds aren't going to know why I hit them. Yeah. It would be, it'll be iconic. It'll be fierce. It is. I mean, it's, it's been such an amazing, you know, evolution to watch over the last, you know, many years now of Drag Race and how much it's become central in culture. And I mean, seeing you on Traders earlier this year, you and Bob have done it now. And I feel like that's just like another, another thing to add to the pyramid of like, y'all can do anything. Yeah. You know, I love being on television. I love hearing myself talk. I think I have interesting things to say. I think I'm a fun person to be on TV. And, you know, I think some people, like a lot of people, because Traders, they're doing the civilian season now. Yes. And they're like, you know, I do shows and sometimes I do a Q and A or advice at the end of the show, like for 10, 15 minutes, people was like, I audition for Traders. Like what advice do you have? And my advice is always when you go on these shows, I think it was the best thing that Bob's, the only good thing he's ever said to me was when I went to season 10, I was like, okay, girl, like, give me advice. So the only advice I have to use to be yourself is like, don't go on TV trying to do this, trying to be that, just be you. And that's going to be more than enough. And I think that's why I work on television. I'm not trying to go on TV and be the villain or be the bad guy or be the funny girl or be this, I'm just going on stage to be on stage on TV to be Monet. And I think that who you are will always shine through. If you go on TV to try to be something you're not, the audience, we, when we watch TV, we can smell that shit a mile away and we reject it. So I just like to go on TV and be myself. And for the good, bad and ugly, right? Sometimes it's worked out for me. Sometimes it hasn't. And you'd love to just follow what they may. What was it? I mean, you've done so many things in the last, you know, 10 years, but what was it like doing traders, which you've done competition, obviously, in the drag space a lot, but going onto a show where you're competing in a completely different way. It's not about your your drag talent or what you're bringing to that table. It's about doing missions and social strategy and all that. What was that like, kind of shifting the mental gear a little bit? You know what? I love those kind of strategy games. I play strategy games at the house. Maybe I play strategy games with my fiance at home. Like him not putting the dishwasher, putting dishwasher on and putting it that I'm doing mental gymnastics there, trying to make convince him to do that in a way that's authentic to him. So I'm always strategizing throughout life. So I think when I got the chance to go on traders, I was so excited to like do it for real because I love survivor. I love big brother. I was a panor trader since season one. I watched it when it was back in three seasons, like in real time. So I love, love, love the show. So it was like a no brainer. As soon as they call, as soon as I got the call, I was like, yes. And you know, I wanted to be a trader, but Alan Cummings made me a faithful. And I think he did himself in the franchise of the service because the world deserves to see one exchange play the traders as a traitor. Also, Candice said, she said this in an interview, and I was like, that is so right. She was like, the show is called traders. It's not called fatefuls. What's going to be a faithful? He was like, traders are the stars. I'm like, yeah, that's what I want to be. I want to be a star in the show. I think it's so strange when somebody goes on there and they're like, oh, I just don't think I could be a trader. It would be. I'm like, right there. They want you there. Go over and make some cookies with your grandchildren or something, Brenda. Like, no, like come play. Play the game of traders. It's so fun. It's so fun. And I know, I mean, you're a reality TV fan watching housewives, things like that. Were you excited to find out who you were going to be doing it with? Oh, yeah, I was super excited about the cast. I mean, the number one person I was excited for was Portia Williams. I am obsessed with Portia. The one I just wanted to see her ass in real life, and it did not disappoint. Portia would walk through the door. I was taking notes. I mean, the wind that she creates, her ass moving through that gas is just, it's magnificent. She has her own breeze that follows her. So I was excited to meet Portia. I was excited to meet Natalie Anderson, because I'm a big fan of Survivor. And who else was I excited when I saw them? IRL. Like, no shade. I've never seen, I've never watched Potomac. So I didn't really know about Candice, love her now. And Lisa, I like, I knew about Lisa on socials, but I never watched Beverly Hills either. I only watched Atlanta. So I would have been excited to see like anyone from Atlanta. Portia, Neenie, oh God, it massive Neenie was the next cast. I feel like every year people are like, so I heard a rumor that Neenie might be there. It's like, I don't think. But here's the thing though, I think a lot of people, a lot of Housewives are deterred from the show because you have to do your own glam. People don't realize that. You have to do your own glam. And like Portia was like, yeah, bitch, I sat on my makeup artist down and like for two weeks, and he taught me how to like beat my face. So I could do it because you don't get to, you don't have hair, you don't have makeup. You have to, these women are waking up at the crack of dawn and doing their own glam themselves. Well, I had respect for Maura Higgins that just was like wigs. We're doing wigs. Wigs and hats, wigs and hats. Cause I was watching, I was on threads and people were like, I can't believe how Maura is able to style her hair. So yeah. And she had to give herself a haircut on, it's sober. I'm like, bitch, a hair, it is a wig and a box girl. Maura is going like this. Wake up and putting the next one on. What do you mean she's cutting her hair on TV? Like what? So thank you. So it's longer, it's shorter and then it's longer. But y'all, the logic, where is the intelligence? Open the schools, please. It is so, I feel like there is still like a corner of America that just doesn't realize like half of the things that exist in our world. They're like, oh, you could just, you know, does she have hair? I know, it's crazy. What was it like with Drag Race, you go in having to get ready for all of these different themes and runways and challenges for traders? Fashion is a part of it, but it's so choose your own adventure. It is. Well, so when I, I was like, you know, I want to go on it because I think someone who is not talked about for their fashion enough on traders and granted, he wasn't there a very long time, but he was sickening Bob Iver with his like Tom Brown. Everything was Tom Brown, the house on the booze, like Tom Brown for head to toe. So I was like, I was taking him as my inspo. I was like, if I want to go into the castle, I want to mirror what he did and like take some pages from his book. So my titleist, my titleist, not right now, not like Maura, my titleist, um, my stylist, Hala O'Rear, we were like, we got together and we just came together, came up with like 12 looks to have for the show that I was going to do. And I was like, I know I wanted to have some tart in there, but still feel like Monay and I love Elin Tiaga. So we just found really dope ways. I'm so sad. They were like four or five office. I really wanted to show off that I didn't get to, including the banquet. But you know, that's just more excuses for Alan to bring me back for traders all star. We need like, um, like Michelle Visage, what you packing? Alan comes to the room. He's like, show me all the clothes. I've said people we don't want to see what they were packing. Right. We don't need it every week. Yeah, not everybody. What? Yeah. No, it was, I was bummed to not get to see you and Portia have a little more time together. I feel like we got to get you down to Atlanta and you can, you can hang out with the girls. Could I be like a friend, a friend of the, what would it call them? A friend of the wise? A friend of the whatever the. Yeah. I love Porsches so much. And she's a big old lesbian now. Obsessed. Yes. Portia is eating plus. I'm obsessed with that. It is wild. The, the evolution we have seen of. Right. Miss Portia Williams. She went for like a preacher's wife. Cordell is not perfect by far. To a preacher's wife. To trying to ride the underground railroad. To a divorcee and now a full blown lesbian. Honestly, Portia is a new, she's one of the newest members inducted into the LGBTQIA plus community. I sent her a welcome package and she's reading up. She's learning. She's getting all the language and everything. There's gonna be a quiz. She's gonna be a quiz at the end of the year. And so I just love that for her. We were sitting, we were sitting together on the couch at the, at the reunion. I was like, I was like, Portia, are you a lesbian now? She's like, yes. She is actually like, I love it. I love it. I was like, good, good for you. I love that for her. I do too. Growth. Let me tell you something. I cursed the day that my mother gave birth to me and I realized that I like dick, right? I hate that I like dick. I hate men. I hate that I like that. I wish I was straight just so I could be with women. That's the only reason I want to be straight because I being attracted to men and loving men is a, it is the most toxic thing about me. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. But then being a straight man, I know, but if I was a straight man, I'll be the gayest straight man ever. You know what I mean? I would be like, uh, uh, I would be like the Liberace of the straights. Like I will be so faggy, but straight. Like I would, you know, and my wife would have just have to, his imaginary wife. It was up for her. But I mean, would she wrap up that? Then would she win with that or something like, bro? You know what I mean? Right, right, right. We can like have fun together. Do you, do you go like all the way back with the Atlanta Housewives? Like what's the, what was the starting point for you? Oh baby, season one, episode one. Okay. I is, I have watched every single season from season one, episode one to current. I think in my humble opinion, and I know there is a lot of people like, like Atlanta has gone down. You know, every season has its ebbs and flows. It all goes up and down, but I enjoy Atlanta every season. I love all the dolls. I'm so f**king happy that Britt E.D. is not coming back. She is an awful toxic person. And so I'm happy she's not coming back and I can't, I can't wait for this next season. I, that was, it was such a disappointing way that that worked out where it was like, you pulled, you pulled this big move of getting Kenya out of there and then to just, I know, couldn't back it up for s**t. I know. I hope that, do you think that they're going to bring Kenya back? Maybe, maybe not this season, maybe in a year or two, a year or two, right? Cause they got, came Michelle coming on this year. I know, which I love. So I had came a show when I had my talk show exchange rate. She's got some exchange rate and she, I'm, she was the sweetest cause sometimes you know, when I would have the show, sometimes these guests would come in and they were very country and you know, and I would meet all the guests before in the green room and chat and talk whatever. And she was just so warm and so lovely. You know, especially I was just some new person. I just, I'd just been on drag race and no one really knew me and she was just so lovely and so sweet. So I'm excited to see on the show. It's always interesting when somebody who's been kind of the, the top dog in one space, then it's like, okay, I'll try something new. Yeah. I think she's going to bring it. I love Cambridge. I mean, I feel like people sometimes like, I guess fans of any franchise can be really like negative about what changes, what's happening. You know, is this, is it going to live up as the glory days over? And it's like, just enjoy it. Yeah. I say that every girl. Every time Instagram change a form and I'd be pissed off. I'm like, why is the button down here? You know, what gets me now is the DMs and the feed you have to swipe through the reels tab. Yes. And so it's the sound every time. It's awful. I mean, Instagram, they're not going to listen to us, but no, if you guys open the feedback, we would like to keep things as they are. We do not need to change things every two years. Please. We are, I am in my late mid thirties. Okay. I cannot keep up with the changing pace of social media. I can't. I need things how they are. It was so funny a couple of months ago when the like 2016 photos was trending. Oh God. And it was like, oh, we were doing squares on Instagram. Yes, squares with the heavy filter. It's like, you know, I was a late bloomer to survive right only to watch it in the pandemic. Okay. And then so they had all the seasons on, I think Netflix or one of the streaming apps. I was back and watch it and I was like, oh, let me watch it from the beginning. Baby, I said, we don't watch from the beginning back. That's filmed on a Nokia. Literally. So I found the first season that they filmed in Technicolor. Like, like, like the Wizard of Oz when we're starting there, I'm not going back to the to the square. It is wild to watch some of those shows that don't feel that old, like in, in life. And then you're like, Oh, this looks like dog shit. I know. What's also the how crazy, how we've just adjusted to like, like what life is not like, I can't even fathom how they were watching TV. Like how are they watching? How are people watching that on television? It looks like it's something like 240p. Like this podcast is an HD. I know it looks better than a survivor. Although I will say I would go for if they did like a retro if Instagram in the new in the next update. Okay. And they go back to 2000, like the back 2016 Instagram where it was like the blue and I will go for like a retro. I will say I think the adding the making the carousels 20 photos was a mistake. I agree too much because people are I don't need all I don't need all 20. You don't gag next year when we get 40. They went to you on there just for a whole day just swiping through like God damn, we're gonna be over. Please. No. Did you hold it? Yeah. 30. Okay. So you so you didn't survive dial up internet? Yeah, you have. Yeah, you have dial up internet. Wow. Not really. Wow. Like I like I know what it is. You know what? But I've heard the noise. Girl, you know, you do not know the struggle of going on Napster or Lime Wire downloading your music and you and you like at 40% through right at 60% then your sister pick up the phone upstairs to call her draggy best friend and then she crashed your whole shit. So now you have to wait two more days to download the song and it finishes downloading and you're like, okay, Aliyah rock the boat. I can finally listen to it. Let me listen to it. And then you two and a half minutes in and you hear this is a well music you like now I got a little raggedy ass coffee. Like it was a shrug. You couldn't just download something in two seconds to have it. It was a journey to get. Oh my god, the little like tags in all the legal song. Yes. Crazy. Yes, girl. I I'm wondering for you growing up like 90s 2000s what was the first reality show that you remember watching and being into? Oh, okay. First reality show I remember watching was real world New Orleans. Okay. With the girl from BYU. The girl she was from the Mormon girl. Yeah. I think that's the one. I think there was a there was a gay guy on there and I remember being like, Oh my god, a gay person on television. Yeah. I was like, I can't tell anyone the gay person. But I liked real world because like it was like seeing like a gay person living their life on TV. I don't remember who I don't remember the name of the person, but it was I think it was a black guy. Danny Roberts. So he was no, he's a white guy with like, yes, the white guy was like the spiky here. Yeah. Uh huh. Wow. Yeah. I remember Danny on on on on on on New Orleans. So that was like the first reality reality show. Like I remember like watching real world those old see it's crazy because they really just like, okay, live in a house. Yeah. Like I'm trouble. What was the premise just living there wasn't really what they were there for like months too. I think it was a long time. Did they have like a job they had to do? I think they would work. Well, you remember like Jersey Shore in the in the original seasons, they were working at the t-shirt shop. I had a t-shirt. I feel like now it's like we can't we can't pretend these people have a job. Yeah. Also, I came up with the Jersey Shore. They still do seasons. They just announced they're doing like a last season. What the fuck are we watching them do now? What's crazy though is with Housewives, these shows have been on for 10, 20 years, but new people come and people leave Jersey Shore. It's the same cast like I haven't watched in years. I've watched in years. I even know that they had some new some new girls. There was some like Deanne Angelina Angelina. I was like, when did she come into the picture? So I think I watched like the first two, maybe three seasons and then I fell off. It's Dress Me Out. Yeah. Then it tried to do, remember Flora Bama, the MTV tried to do Flora Bama, which I don't think that was successful. I think there was something racist happened on, are you shocked in Flora Bama? Am I shocked? No. Flora Bama, it wasn't like the fucking Panhandle of Florida. Nothing good happens in the Panhandle of Florida. Nothing good can come from that. I did one of my first gigs I ever did was before I got on Drag Race, this club Splash Bar in Panama City Beach. They brought me down before Drag Race. They flew me down as my first like pay gig ever. And I was like, oh, wow, this how they live down here. This is a very interesting place. Yeah. And now, and now do we go there on tour? You know, I have not been back to the next tour. Not this one, but the next one. Maybe I'll go back to Flora Bama. You know, there's always time. That'll make, when you're doing like the hundred city tour, that'll make the list. Yeah, it's a hundred city tour. When I'm in my era's era. So you were like real world Atlanta. I know you were like top model. Top model. Okay. I'm going to say something controversial. Okay. I know when we are analyzing top model with a 2026 lens, we can look back and be like, that was awful. I cannot believe they did that to those girls. But when I young, what top model was 2001, when 11 year old in the closet, Faggity, Kevin Burton, it came on exchange was was after I finished my math homework. And I was watching top model in real time and seeing these fierce women being models and posing and looking at the photo shoots and seeing Mr. J and his fierce platinum here and Mr. J and her sickening legs and her like struggling on the runway. I was living my best life. I felt like, like, I don't think that fashion was for me because I've never been like a fashion girl. But I mean, as a little gay boy, we love that shit. Like I was living for it. I know what you mean. Because I think it was less about the less about the world of fashion and like modeling. And it was more about feeling like you were being exposed to like this like essence of fabulousness. Yeah, I agree. That wasn't in every other survivor didn't have it. American Idol didn't have it. Exactly. Exactly. It was something, a sensibility. It really was. And were they doing some crazy shit with those girls? Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. We can all acknowledge that. But being a little querkin watching it, I was living. And very theatrical. Totally. The way that Tyra, you know, the clip that always goes around of her like pretending to faint and they're like, Tyra, no! Tyra is so camp. Did you see her this year doing Santa's Mies? Yes. With that yellow wig. And the ice cream. And the ice cream, the hot ice cream. Tyra has always been one for the theatrics and she was not the board of them on top model. It was Did you watch the documentary? Not the one that's on E, the one that was on Netflix. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard because when you're looking back at something 20 years later, it is really easy to say like, okay, that's problematic. That's problematic. But yeah, in the moment, it worked for a reason. I agree. Just like we look back at like how fucking awful all these interviewers and stuff were to Lindsey and Brittany and we can look back at like, but in real time, everyone was in Houston. Like in real time, we all were like, I mean, I was what, that was what 17, 18 when the whole 2000 in Brittany happened. So like we all in real time were like, that's crazy. She's blah, blah, blah. But now we look back and we're like, we were all awful to her. And this one was just trying to live her life. And with the crazy microscope of what celebrity was, I mean, celebrity is still crazy now, but back then it was like crazy paparazzi was in your pussy, just taking pictures like paparazzi was like in these people, you know what I mean? So it was, it was a different time where we can look back and apologize and realize we fucked up. Having worked on, you know, in the industry so much and done all these different reality shows and things, like, do you feel like from the other side, you have different perspective on, I don't know, like how the how the sausage gets made? Oh, yeah, like being on these shows and like being like, good, especially when I did, I did a the survivor influence. Yes, they brought eight of us down there and you know, seeing like how robust it is behind the camera, it is crazy. Like to give you like a thing like drag race films with it, I think there are six cameras in the room. Right? Rupaul, a couple of producers, sound lighting and six cameras, right? Survivor, minimum, I should have asked the question, but I think minimum you were looking at like on this is a, this is like a lower end. I would say you have about 20 cameras and you have like three drones and you have like three jibs and you have like all it's like, it's like you're looking at like wall, like this is like a wall of just like media. So seeing how all that happens and they let us watch the filming of the first day of season 49 and we're like seeing like how like the mathematics of like planning, of moving the contestants around and filming this challenge and all that, it's just such a, it's so wild to see it get made. You're like, oh wow. And I think the fact that watching the show from home, they're so meticulous that you never see any of that. You don't think about it. Whereas, you know, on a lot of shows, like in drag race, it's like, if you saw a camera in the workroom, you're like, yeah, it's not, it's not going to take me out of it. Yeah, exactly. But on survivor, it's like, no, they, the attention to detail of like keeping that fantasy alive, that they're like alone on the island. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It really is crazy. It really, because, because, yeah, you watch the show, you feel like, yeah, they're alone on an island. No, it's like 19 cameras on them. So now you're watching season 50 and you're like, oh, there's six people watching his pants. That was crazy. I'm like, what happened there? Was it a sneeze that went awry? Was it like, wow, they ate some bad coconut? Your pants on television is crazy. That's tough. It's tough. How do you recover? But he's so charming, though, that I'm like, we, I, you know, I get it. But I'm like, I would have to, I would drown myself. Having done traders, having done the survivor influencer experience, would you do a real season of survivor? Oh, I totally would. I would absolutely do a real season survivor. I think the competitive nature of it is very appealing to me. And I think that, um, yeah, I just, I want to do it more so it's approved to myself than I can. And I think, and I think that I can, you know, the influencer, I don't know, was only 48 hours. But in that we, like, it was a real thing. Like they didn't skip out on any of the survivor of it all. Like we really, they gave us a, what they give the actual contestants, they get like a crash course of like a few hours to learn how to like weave palm fronds and make fire and stuff like that. And we had that where we successful at it. No. But, and we had this crazy thunderstorm that they hadn't had in years. It rained on us for, from like three o'clock in the afternoon to like five o'clock in the morning. And I was like, Oh, they're going to like get us like little raincoats or something. No, no, no, they left us on the beach to be wet and cold and shivering for all those hours. And I'm like, that's just a dip into what the actual thing is. And I think, I think I could really do it. The downtime is what would actually get me though. That's what I always think about. I'm like, we watch one hour a week that's edited together. Yeah. You're only spending, you know, 10 minutes of time with each tribe. And I'm like, Oh, what do you do? Hours ago. That's hours. You're gonna bring a Kindle. Like, you don't have a phone or anything. So like your concept of time, you kind of lose it because you don't really like all you have to go by is the sun is the sunrise and sunset. And I'm not no optometrists. That's the real thing. I don't know how to study the sun going. So I don't know what fucking time it is. I know the sunset. I'm like, is that when the sun sets in winter in LA, it's fucking two o'clock in the afternoon. Right. And I don't, I have no idea. So you just don't know until you see that boat coming. That's when you know there's action. Other than that, you're just sitting on this hot, sweaty beach with sand in places you never knew could go. Okay. Well, maybe, maybe survivor for you in a year or two, but right now you're on tour. Yeah. High heels, bad knees. High heels, bad knees, girl. What are you loving about this tour? I'm loving about this tour is this is like my first like real tour doing material I've really worked on. So I did a special years ago. But you know, I did it in a very backwards way. I did an hour. I wrote, I wrote, wrote down an hour, performed the ones that recorded a special, which is not the way you do stand up comedy. That is the most backwards where you can do standard comedy. Comedians normally work on material for years. Yeah. Then record a special. You got five minutes here, five minutes there. Yeah. And then you, and you, you work the material and you find new things, you massage and you get new stuff. So I've been able to do this. I've been doing this material for about a year and a half now. And it feels really good. It truly is some of the funniest shit I've come up with. And I'm just really proud of it because I've been doing stand up comedy now for four and a half years now and four years now. And so it just feels really good. I love stand up. And it's just a way to just to be on stage and just having the trust of the audience because no, I think, you know, they have a lot of girls, um, trying to come on here and do stand up, some of the draggers girls. And I think they try to paint us with the all with the same brush. I'm like, no, baby, I'm true to this. I am Greg really like about it. I'm doing like time is places spots in New York and I'm like really working material. I'm not just coming on here and saying a tongue pop and laugh. No, I'm like, I have material to, to, to, to, right. It's not like, let's get this roast to cook in. Yeah. I mean, it's not like, I'm like, it's real like a comedy I'm really excited about. So I think that's, yeah, I think that's a good point. Cause when you come off a show like drag race, there's so many different lanes and some people music dancing, you know, performing active. There's so many different things and to really figure out like, no, this is something I want to like really do. Yeah, totally. And then like when I, you know, when I have, when I work with other comedians and, um, or like I do these weekends at these comedy clubs and then the owner, the owner of the magic company like, you really fucking good. I'm like, motherfucker, what did you expect? What do you, what do you, what do you think is going to happen? Yeah. I went, oh, oh, cause you had, oh, okay. Yeah. I'm not that bad. I'm, I'm, I'm actually out here to try to do this comedy thing for real. And because also I don't want to bastardize standup comedy. Standup comedy is such, it's, it is a dope art form. I've, there are so many, there are millions of standup comics, some who like really do the thing of like, especially like people like my friend, Mateo Lane, right? Mateo, yeah, did comedy. Like he's very, he's a, he's a purist in that way. I mean, he's like, you got to like do the seller and the diss into that and do seven standup things at night and work the material. Like, so when I know I have friends like him and Nicole Byer and to share and Bob who like are really steeped in comedy, I don't, I would never want to come behind those fierce friends and half ass comedy. I'm doing it for real. I'm really proud of it. Well, everybody should go see. Absolutely. I do it for real. Yow. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. It's just so fun. Of course. So thanks everyone for watching. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe and until next time be cool. Don't be all like uncool.