What Are We Doing In Venezuela?

Hey everybody and welcome to 2026. It is five days old. We hope you got some rest. You know, got some time with your loved ones because the news certainly didn't stop and lots of crazy stuff happened since the new year, which we're going to just dive into because it's going to take a long time to get through. So I think we're going to start with Venezuela, of course. So over the weekend at well, like 2 a.m. 1 a.m. Eastern time. Trump ordered the well, depending on who you're talking to, the arrest or the kidnapping of the Venezuelan president. Bedurro and his wife who are now in New York with me, I guess, actually in Brooklyn, some actually know where they are. House, not in my house. I am not, I am not storing any Narco terrorists. He's calling me. I know. Well, I guess I guess he would call me a socialist. So maybe that in their minds, I would try to free him, I guess, I don't know. But anyways, I do not like him. So this is set off a wave of shock across the country and the world. And Trump has also been threatening. I think it's up to, I think it's six other countries as well since he has done this. And the ridiculous greenland stuff has come back. So we talked a little bit. We had a live the other night when this happened on Saturday. If you want to check it out on our YouTube channel with some experts, but we're going to we're going to wagon here. What is going on? What what was the goal? What are we doing? Is Marco Rubio, the new president of Venezuela? Like what the hell is going on? Pete Hegseth is co president with Rubio. So yeah, because Donald Trump during the press conference announced that it was those two were going to be running Venezuela. If you look at Rubio's poker face, which is not great, you can see that Rubio was very surprised by that idea. President Rubio is president a Rubio. How would they say? I'll president. You know, you knew that the question was coming when he's they sent him to meet the press to talk about this. And he had to have known the question was coming 24 hours after Trump says we're going to run Venezuela. And he's the secretary of state. And and this and this has been like his pet cause. It's important to Florida. He should have been able to see this question coming and should have had a very well rehearsed response to it when he was asked by Kristen Welker. What that meant that we were going to run Venezuela his the first words out of his mouth were, yeah, I mean I keep people fixating on that. Which what none of those that's coherent none of those words together make sense contextually together. They're also like I know he's trying to say people keep fixating on that. I'm like well the president did say it after after kidnapping a president like a sitting. So we have the right to ask that into fixate on it. But yeah, I mean keep. Yeah, I mean I keep people fixating on that. And then after that he says we would love to see changes in Venezuela changes long term short term. We'd love to see all kinds of changes. Like you guys really thought through this. I mean, the most non-committal thing of all time. I would love to see changes in my diet. Like long term short term all kinds of changes. I mean the crazy part to me is like Trump got so much popularity on the right for like going against this old like Neocon. We're going to change and all of a sudden he's like now fuck that. We're going to end. We're all in road. It's the most incoherent shift I've ever seen. I don't understand it. And only Marjorie Taylor Green apparently has a problem with it. She is the only Republican who's been like speaking out. The Tom. The Tom. That's he not say anything. Was he all about this? Well, no, you're right. Tom. That he was also like well, you know, if if these were lich if this was legitimate. Like they wouldn't be coming up with gun charges in New York, which are not relevant in Venezuela. Yeah. One of my favorite cocaine. He wouldn't have fucking gotten the Honduran president. Well, that's what I was just going to bring up was that a few weeks ago, Donald Trump pardoned the former president of Honduras for essentially the exact same charges. Yes, that they are now putting in front of Maduro. So like it's obviously not about the drugs guys. No, no shit. So what what happens if like there's a big campaign like there is for Luigi about jury jury nullification where like people get onto the jury who just refused to convict. What what happens if Maduro doesn't get convicted, right? What what the fuck does Trump do then? I don't know. He just he just fucking kidnapped somebody. I don't know if we've taken someone from another country and sent them to another country though. This is a this is a landmark pivot. It's pretty exciting. I mean, what the comparison with with the Honduran Hernandez, J.O.H. I think it's initials from from Honduras. I mean, it's truly shocking. This dude was like proven in the past. In an American court to have been part of smuggling or of trafficking 400 tons. I heard 500 tons of cocaine from Honduras into the United States. He was getting paid the entire time while Honduras was collecting American taxes. In an American court to have been part of smuggling or of trafficking 400 tons. I heard 500 tons of cocaine from Honduras into the United States. He was getting paid the entire time while Honduras was collecting American tax dollars in aid for anti narcotics campaigns in Honduras. So he Honduras during Trump's first term. I looked it up got over a hundred million dollars in aid for anti narcotics campaigns and for security and military aid for Hernandez. This is all during 2017 to 2021. It was Biden's justice department that that that got it done that got him convicted and then of course Trump lets him off. Because they what they they don't even have oil like what is it in it for you just it's like it's never 3d chess or 40 chess or whatever they call it. It's always just like oh he has grievances like me. Well, so and he was nice to me once. So I'm going to like sure I'm going to pardon him. It wasn't even that with this one. They asked him about it. And he was like I have no idea who he is. I don't know what it was. People that people very good people around me told me that he was wrong. Which by the way wrong means that an American jury. Right. And he's like oh no this was wrong and they were like but like you didn't you don't know him. But it goes back to like we have seen reports that partens are being sold for like a million dollars a pop. And that that like Trump and everyone in Trump world keeps making a big deal about Biden and the auto pen. And if Trump just figured out what an auto pen is in 2024 2025. Like clearly some shit's been getting signed without him because that has been happening. And and be like if you don't know who you're pardoning which is like one of the most exclusive powers of the presidency. Like is anything that you're signing legitimate. If you don't know what you're signing if you're if you're freeing Narco Narco terrorists with big air quotes. Yeah. Is anything that you're signing legit because I think the argument about the auto pen is is idiotic when you you are signing the documents but you don't know what the fuck they are or you don't know what they mean. Also hearing as this whole strategy. Yeah. Everything they're doing is just pure incoherence that I just I I it used to be you could follow a thread of like why they're doing and now I'm just like what what is happening like it's such an it's like they're flooding the fucking air waves with bullshit just to be like well don't talk about the house. That's probably speaking of which speaking of which all Elon posted a nice picture of him in the presidential couple I guess with a we had a nice dinner at Mar-a-Lago together which is so like fucking ridiculous to me because he posted that whole thing he's still who fucking kick this shit off. Yeah with the Epstein files tweet yeah like so you just cool them being a pedophile then like if that's the truth he doesn't care. It's fucking crazy. No because he's getting what he wants from Trump right all of this AI you know these data centers that are being built across the country with basically no oversight whatsoever in our one of the things that are actually you know sort of I don't say artificially boosting the economy because it is boosting it but like it's a temporary thing as they're being. Well it will because it makes it seem like it's better than it is and so yeah these guys are all a marriage of convenience right it's just they don't like each other they just like they need things from each other and you know I mean a good example is on they asked Trump you know did he notify Congress about the raid before it happened to the answer was no but when they asked him if he asked the oil companies before the raid he said yes which is which is all a gark shit. I mean it's the only thing I look at and I'm like you know what this is like he's so transparent that it's actually it's the one thing like he's not to get out of purpose but like he's just saying the quiet part out loud me like yes for oil I mean like it's not like where is Bush what's like let's just fucking pretend all this other shit is important actually like this. He said oil 21 times during that press conference he said democracy zero exactly right very very clear where is head was that. He was asked if they're going to have elections and he was like elections yeah I don't know like this is the first time someone in the room regarding Venezuela in four months has talked about who's going to lead the country after that. I want Mr. Global on because I don't fucking understand the oil implications like that's the part where I get it versus refined. He's not a few videos that I saw came across my feed and by the way he's a good friend of the show and essentially it's baffling to him too because all of the they have been asking you American oil companies if you could go back into Venezuela do you want to and all of them all of them have said no so now could Trump make it so that like a basically the American taxpayer is covering all of the you know the construction and repairs. And then add repairs of the of the oil facilities that they have in Venezuela sure but like no one has been clamoring to go down there so and Mr. Global's actually said the Venezuelan oil is some of the lowest quality in the in the world so it's I don't know if Donald Trump's just like he had a dream and he that he was back in the eighties and it was like cool to like invade Latin American countries like we used to do all the time or what but like you know the other thing the same thing. The other thing to scary though is that he's also I look you are how many countries did he threaten since since in 30 seconds six and 30 minutes so he said Cuba better watch out or something like that he brought the Greenland thing back up which he's also appointed the governor of Louisiana to be the special envoy to Greenland because he has some sort of experience with Nordic countries yeah or not and but he is from a state that has a lot of oil and gas stuff but you know this is he's threatening all kinds of people and what happened to no new wars right the whole thing is just that I I was thinking about the other day the only thing I can think of that makes any sense is that Venezuela also has a tremendous amount of other natural resources like minerals and that is where we're getting fucked by China because of his dog shit terror policies and this terrible deals that he's made with China so maybe this is all just him trying to fucking go around that awful set of circumstances built in China and guard I'll just take over his other country that has a tremendous amount of minerals and there we go and I just make it seem like it's about oil but actually it's about minerals I don't know it seems like a plausible I you're you're giving him too much of the benefit of the doubt yeah this is already a better plan than anything they've discussed like exact concept to be those deal it in 45 seconds that came up with better foreign Paul like at least a mere like half of Americans would be like okay okay I'm I'm I'm tracking to this they would have said that they would have said something true what they're going to find out is and I was just reading this morning like there's the essentially the leader of the national police and the leader of the military of the two people who since um who was the famous dictator who left the socialist dictator from from Venezuela and like 2012 or 13 oh oh the famous one the predecessor to right right right I'm completely blanking listeners can shame me for this in the comments oh they will they will I mean I'm still just an idiot I remind people of this daily but like got to set the bar super low but the it's the military in the police that have that have protected power and maintained power the whole time the people who are like in charge you know they they are either serving or being served by the military it's always hand in hand and I think what Trump is going to find out is what everyone else is found out is like yeah you can go into a developing nation or a place with a military dictatorship you can like the head the beast but then you know six other beasts pop up and so if he's got a plan to what invade and dismantle their military and the police like then we're talking about a full on war invasion and nation building and obviously that's not going to happen because they can't even like they can't even do this part of it let alone that part of it and that would look a lot worse there are so many layers of irony here yeah that it's hard to pick just one like Trump went in and arrested a man who stole an election and and he is supporting the socialist government the socialist government that was run by that socialist Maduro so he's supporting the vice president who stole an election and is a socialist and he's giving the cold shoulder to the the right wing person who apparently did win the last election who's living in exile who who dedicated her Nobel Peace Prize to Donald Trump to try to get his attention and support so instead of supporting the far right government and installing that not saying that's a good idea he's supporting a socialist government well I actually said that and I don't know is the president like she she well right well and when I heard it I don't know if this is true or not but was that one of the reasons that Trump soured on her is because she won the Nobel Peace Prize and he has a woman one of the other doesn't make any sense right why would I mean I guess that I guess the logic is that they found and this is this was of the times this weekend I think but was that they they felt that the vice president was more willing to play ball with them than Maduro and look I think everybody here agrees that Maduro is a terrible terrible human being and like should not be in power anywhere that's not what we're discussing but like also I heard this warning that I don't know if it's Rubio or Hegseth or somebody that said well we're not actually going to run the country we're going to give them a list of things which is you know a demands that they must do to so that they don't get bombed I think was the term so it's like a nap so it's like yeah hey VP you you are in charge as long as you do these things right and that is the that's the plan like drop the double bag full of cash in the dumpster by the YMCA at 2 a.m. and you'll get Maduro back no you go Travis but he goes out of us that's what it was so he's question because I'm not embedded in any of this shit you guys might know better than I do I mean you're not better decided but you probably might know the reaction what is the MAGA reaction to the like obviously they're gonna try to support what the fuck he's doing in matter what he does so what are they latching on to and going oh no he's right we should do this like I can't I mean I'm sure there's something but like what are they hanging on to here because it seems like really out of the realm of what he pitched so I did a video that was I will I won't lie was a bit antagonistic on Facebook which is got 400,000 views so I guess I did it right yeah see I can I can do it I can wrap it up every once so I can't I don't have the same adding average looking at that pump them up okay well everybody will follow me on Facebook on my yeah the bull this my willhouse right so but the the comments obviously it's like a war back and forth you kind of like like the match and like leave it and then it like the thing takes off but the the cognizant the dissonance is real right they're just saying like well it was very easy to go get him well so why wouldn't we do it and then you say well what about the Honduran president and then they're like there you go again there's always lips like it's like it's just they don't it's a it's a they're not just because there's nothing to justify right no but he did one thing here they excited about like do they see the benefit like is there a benefit to that oh they're pretending they're pretending that that they care about the Venezuelans because the Venezuelans rightly we're cheering in the street for him gone like I understand that that totally makes sense but they don't like they just see it as Trump wow we just went in there and we fucking got him and like I mean we got to with the M60s yeah like even though 40 people did die which this is all been sort of that number's 80 now Tim oh it's 80 so like we like citizens or is it just military personnel I don't know I've seen both I mean probably both right like I mean there there were explosions that we saw like I mean I don't know but like this originally this was projected as a smash and grab right oh no big deal we just winning but 80 people did die and like you know I mean look there's going to be collateral damage in conflicts if this guy really was posing a threat which he wasn't like that's a different scenario right like I you know but but yeah no so there there is no logical justification other than Trump is the best right and everything he does is great and you just need to trust the process well that's their answer and shut up live tard you know they've also been asking like where was I because I've been posting about this they're like where were you during operation just cause first of all that in 1989 I was and oh you're about Panama and second of all you still have to be or the Facebook did exist right so I'm sorry if I couldn't you know take my contemporaneous notes and and translate them to face it's it's it's so fucking the the mental gymnastics that these people go through to be like oh this is consistent with what we've done in the past and this is why it's not just legal but it was the smart thing to do as it's like dude I I participated in one of those easy wars three years after it was supposed to be oh right like I know how the shit goes right it's not good it's not it's not there is no shortcut to to fix it as as the one person in this group that was old enough to probably barely remember 89 I was 11 10 and I remember watching it and like it was you know because I was like 10 I'd probably watch die hard I was like oh wow we're going in and get in this guy but but Manuel Noriega was our friend until he wasn't right like this is the problem with interventionist is like the second that somebody is nowhere longer useful to the United States we we pull our resources which is exactly what we did with Osama bin Laden in the 80s when he was he was a very helpful dangerous person keeping the Soviets at the time to bog down in afghanistan and basically using up all their resources so they couldn't go other places you would have thought we would have learned from that but like I guess not then we pulled our then we pulled all of our funding and our arms to him and then shit happened some pretty bad shit happened 10 years later and like especially Republicans seem to conveniently forget that these incursions never actually work out no it doesn't never and like I mean think about it one example I've got one example well the best example is what we want to we rock right it's the best one to one example ISIS is what happened because of Iraq yeah like ISIS was created because of the power vacuum that we left in Iran but we didn't solve shit like if you would like more ISIS keep on going down that path you know but I got so stupid I got one there is one successful one of these that I can point to and it wasn't a Republican it was Yugoslavia and Kosovo during the Clinton administration which you guys probably well some of you were not alive for the Clinton administration where we told slow but I'm a locivich to stop or we were going to bomb the shit out of them and so we did bomb the shit out of them we got him out of Kosovo Kosovo is now an independent country Milosevic eventually got caught and Radavan Kravich or whatever's name was also caught we actually and we did that without losing a single life yeah and we did bring democracy but it was Bill Clinton it wasn't a bush neither bush no or Trump or Reagan the patron saint who invaded Grenada for whatever reason and you know like so there is one but it was a Democrat yeah it takes uh what's the value like that's the like in the end it's right what do we give a shit if Kosovo is a democracy or not well like same thing with even if it was Iraq what the fuck do we care it's not our country like you know unless they're out there doing like Kim Jong Un shit I don't care like let's focus on home where it's tragically terrible yeah I think that's one of the things that they are kicking off right now now now Maduro's rule over Venezuela had already created a migration crisis yeah Venezuela has lost millions of citizens because of the conditions that that country is in if that continues to deteriorate that destabilizes not just Venezuela but the entire region yeah so what does that do that creates more migration not just from Venezuela but all of the surrounding countries that get destabilized by this power vacuum they come north now Trump has this invasion army you know at the at the gates you know down in the southern border and that gives him the political capital in the minds of all these mega folks to turn ice which now has a larger budget than the Marine Corps into an even more militarized force yeah so the things that they are doing with with foreign policy I think Donald Trump doesn't have a strategic bone in his body but Stephen Miller does and I think that Stephen Miller understands that and first of all he wanted to do this to Mexico right not not just Venezuela but I think Stephen Miller understands that if he creates enough crises or worsens crises enough in Latin America it's going to make them it's going to give him an opportunity to further militarize policing in the United States yeah I mean I think it's worth repeating that Stephen Miller's this was reported again this weekend also that his original plan was he wanted to do this to the cartels in Mexico because as we know we've talked about the show several times if you're talking about drugs coming to the United States especially fentanyl which is the our biggest problem right now it all comes from Mexico with with the Nassist from China so like he wanted to go into there but I guess the brain trust was at least had enough brain capacity to look and go well that's a terrible idea but maybe we can achieve some of these goals mostly PR related if we go snatch Maduro and Venezuela which let's be honest like those guys are pozos and like clearly like we just kind of rolled in and snatched him and they kind of went huh like they didn't they weren't you know these were not the best and brightest that we were dealing with right but it's terrifying to think that there are discussions in this administration about attacking cartels inside Mexico yeah which is a without Mexico being involved without them on track right right right Mexico was part of it I'd be like fucking different idea let's do that but yeah no without Mexico agreeing to it we're just treating their sovereignty it's fucking Zach I want to go back because your your question like how is Maga responding Washington Post they did publish an article this morning that was we texted a thousand Americans about us actions in Venezuela and then they published the result and it's the the top line stuff is probably about what you'd expect 42% disapprove of the Maduro action specifically 40% approve 18% are unsure so it's like yeah it's kind of split which is I think that's that's okay Maduro's a piece of shit like yeah if a little torn like well sure we want him gone but like there's 150 things above the list you know above him on the list of things that matter to me as an American right now before we get to Maduro but then when you start getting down which are you saying that you're America first I mean I think that's what I'm getting here yeah I mean if you're going to push me to say it I will say it but then when you get down in the survey it gets significantly more fascinating and worth noting independence were eight points against the Maduro thing and so you know so it's it's still not best case scenario it's not looking good but then once you get you get down into it and you look at okay well what about like Venezuela as a whole Republicans and I'm trying to find the number most people are saying no it's a bad idea 45% oppose United States taking control of Venezuela only 24% support so three out of four people don't want us to have anything to do with the future of Venezuela and then and then when you get down even further into like who should decide the future leadership of Venezuela 94% of people said Venezuelan people and six percent said the United States including like 91% of Republicans said the Venezuelan people should decide the future of Venezuela so so this is right well doesn't work otherwise understand that this is a bad idea it's just the bad idea hasn't become reality just yet and so everybody's kind of like waiting around for their opinion to solidify yeah I mean the other piece of this too that I'm thinking about now and I'm again probably giving them too much credit but like they're also facing a democratic party that's shifting more towards democratic socialism so attacking stuff even though this Venezuela is in no way shape of reform reminiscent of what democratic socialism is the word socialism is in both and having that sort of PR approach of like we're dismantling socialist countries do you really want to bring it here to America and get strengthened by this kind of shit too so there's like all these levers they're pulling that are like I don't know if they're doing it on purpose but they could use it to their advantage well I will tell you as the person that now lives in Mim Donna Stan you know I have already I have already been instructed on how to do my morning prayers I have the rug or did you have to buy the rug yourself oh that what socials and they give it to you so that's the benefit you get that yeah and then we have mandatory Quran learning sessions right in the afternoon and then of course we are all under what we call you know schwarma law here because some idiot said that online and meant to say Sharia but no guess what guys he's been mayor for five days I still buy things right like I'm not no one's hand no one's male got given me anything free like I you know and honestly what is actually interesting is that you know I'm curious what you guys think there were a lot of people who were very upset with Democrats over the weekend because they felt that their response was sort of and it was actually Mim Donna who went out and like it was like I actually called the president to voice my displeasure on this and I mean these are performative acts but like in a in a world in which Democrats hold no power like performative acts are sort of you know raising hell about it and making people understand is the best thing and you know this guy who is apparently in the minds of mega the same type of socialist as Maduro like I guess he was defending him not being arrested so maybe that I'm I'm making a bad argument but you know he's actually actually no I mean it's ridiculous no but like they're they're not even remotely the same if you can't tell the difference between democratic socials and socials and then I know I don't really have I don't tell you like pick up a book right this is what this is what this is what like you can you can look this up and people if you're if you're rabbit holding on political science you can find these these charts but it's not left versus right there's a lot of there are many dimensions to this and the most notable is less left versus right or right versus left I don't know how my screen is going to show up but left versus right on the political spectrum but then you've also got you know anarchy to status them on the vertical axis and so you know people like Maduro they are statists who are on the left yeah Trump is a statist who is on the right yeah Hernandez and and Honduras is a statist who is on the right um statism is generally bad authoritarianism is what we're talking about is generally bad if you're on the left but you're more uh you know in the middle to maybe even a little more on the sort of the anarchy the free market like freedom side of things I think that's where the United States needs to land and that's where you look at Bernie Sanders and you look at Zora and Mamdani like their ideas are not statists they they're they they generally want to use tax dollars to fund private businesses and private organizations to do the things that need to be done not take over the organizations and then make us all go work for them like under fear of imprisonment which is like true communism that that we just nobody even wants that here let alone like is arguing well did you see the one thing that Mamdani said in his um anogoral address that freaked out the right was that he we I don't want to get the quote wrong but basically it was like we're going to get rid of the uh rugged individuality uh on my more towards collectivism and people lost their fucking minds they were like rugged individualism is what built this country first of all no it's not it's not like that is a Republican myth that they have talked about forever it was built off of cheap Chinese labor slavery like all like you know all of these things that are not good it wasn't pulling people up by their bootstraps it was giving white people really cheap resources to build wealth I mean if you really want to like talk about every asshole who said some shit about that never gets to drive on another road never get to call the police firefighters don't come to your fucking house if it burns down don't go to hospital god damn thing go drink the water and flint yeah yeah yeah yeah how about the flint's water might be good but like 20 years ago you know or 10 years ago like I don't know I don't want to disparage the friend of the show Joe Walsh is is wonderful the dumbest shit I've ever seen the publicans who who was like fuck collectivism and you know I I like Joe but he's a friend of the show but not friend of Luke well he and legally enforced collectivism is one thing collectivism as a system of things that you can benefit from like Medicaid Medicare so that's collectivism disability the clean water act voting rights act every 40 hour work week every single one of these things oh sure these are all this is all collectivism like right so real clever I think of of collectivism versus individualism in kind of I had a transformative experience in in basic training now I joined the army when the slogan was army of one which was the dumbest and most harmful slogan that the military has has ever used or at least the army growing up it was be all you all you can be right that was like the the the idea that I don't like be all you can be right but the army of one idea created this this myth that anyone joins the army and this this is like a myth that I subscribe to that anyone joins the army and you're just like you're you're there to be the toughest and the greatest but not a member of a team but the in practice when you join the military every it is a fucking team sport like that is why the the most elite forces they call each other team guys because they are expert team players the rugged individualism idea it it is it is so misinformed like like Tim said it's slavery it's cheap labor out of China that's the kind of rugged individualism that makes people successful it's it's taking advantage of other people what I think that mom Donnie meant is is not collectivism in the government sense but collectivism as an ideology that is not government enforced it's simply looking out for your neighbor the way that the bible says that you should I mean it's not an all or nothing thing to like I think that people look at this issue is so black and white where it's like it's socialism or it's capitalism it's like you can do both at the elements of both you can use at the same time like you can build out all these healthcare systems like medicated Medicare and still be individuals who start businesses and thrive in a capitalist culture like they're not mutually exclusive concepts at fucking all and people develop well well where is the when you look at the happiest countries on earth which I would argue is the metric that is the most important right in our lives like if we don't have to get existential but like you know you should like the the goal is to be happy in your life right because they're all democratic socialist countries or socialist countries Norway Denmark Sweden and they I mean they're smaller and in Norway as oil so there's some benefits like that that you know they have a sovereign wealth fund that's massive but right you like to pay for it we still have to pay for it right you still have to work and pay yeah yeah and they're not and they're not like perfect they have immigration issues like all these things and but like those all the countries who do what Maldonnie is talking about are the ones that are where the high where there is the highest quality of life yes and here's the other element if people never consider it's such an important element is those countries don't have like very consumerist culture like we do like we're very focused on consumers in America and if but that's a good thing because in the end all the money that stays in the pockets of people here that they're not paying for healthcare and other things will go into the economy and buster the companies that are afraid they're going to lose money like the upper 1% will fucking make money off of universal healthcare they won't lose it like on the surface you think oh taxes and they're going to have a payroll tax is 7.5% whatever it's going to lose my wrong they're going to fucking make money not only for people's fucking health insurance but their company will make more money because more people have money to spend it's not the same in Norway they don't have the same culture here it would be a benefit and also the thing that keeps getting missed is that Medicare and Medicaid have about a 2 to 3% overhead and insurance companies have a 20 what is it 20 25% overhead like the government is I know it's going to blow everyone's minds every Ronald Reagan myth but like the government is far more efficient at delivering healthcare than these insurance companies so what why why are we doing this also if you want a small business boom in America pass universal healthcare because that allows people to quit their jobs and start new businesses I've talked about this before I wouldn't have been able to start my company without the fact of my wife had insurance and I ended up hiring five people now magnify that across 50 states and 340 million people like it's it is a no-brainer but the insurance industry sure loves themselves some Republicans and Democrats some Democrats and many Democrats too you know I so I looked this up because I was like wait it's not just us that would be saving money employers cover in this is the most recent number 74% yeah of health insurance premiums in the United States I think it was something like 600 to 800 billion dollars that employers paid out every year just in the premiums not including all of the other shit the the medications they're covering and all that it came to something like an estimated 1.5 to 2 trillion dollars in annual expenses between employers and individuals that would be just taken off these are the payments for the services these aren't like the services would still be there it's just who is paying for it and so you take the the cost off of the individual you take the cost off of the employers every every business that has a large workforce with benefits is going to see their margins go up by like three to five 10% possibly changing nothing else and then you add in the fact that people can come and go and you can change jobs more easily and people are just happier because you're not fucking working scared for your health insurance you're able to just work because you love it it I got I got myself started I was gonna say don't get me started I got myself started but this is not just a socialist win for people who don't want to work or but if this is any massive win right for business owners right but I share holders it's I just say I but I think that I think Democrats have been going all about it wrong it I mean yes I agree with what they've been saying but like that like this is good for people human right and all these things but like we are not converting any independence Republicans to that but the but and we should tell Democrats that stuff but like we should be telling like selling independence and and right leaning independence or or moderate Republicans this is a business it's like like the play investment in private sectors yes yes that's why haven't we said that because we're stupid because we don't know how to sell anything very very very bad parts are bigger than our brains right that's the thing it's like it's great congratulations it's also a gigantic fucking boon for these one percent it's an incredible value because like I did this I did a video on this stuff that you're talking about rich and it was like I did the math on yeah they'll have a payroll tax that'll cover all this stuff so they're gonna you know in the end they'll have some shifting there's shifting but the payroll tax is less than it currently cost them to cover these costs out of pocket by far like it will save the money so like yes there is a company it's really in the end it comes down to a central thing well two central things one is you know people fucking lobbying to keep it the same way but it's also fear people are just afraid of a change yeah where it's this systemic and you know it's very hard to be the person who takes that risk but somebody's got to because it's just a better fucking system there's no question yeah you know who actually could probably do it but won't Donald Trump yep I literally I that don't know like I don't he won't he won't because he's garbage but like there is enough of mega that if he just if he called it something else just made up a name I bet I bet the majority of him be like yeah man yeah Trump care like yeah that's so this is the repeal in place and like he could probably do it he can like he could sell it support it and I would just get it configured correctly which like that's a that's a that's a big big if but well here's an interesting here's an interesting scenario so we are now thank God one year almost through this administration so after the midterms there is going to be because we're already talking about JD vance running and Mark of rubios trying to position himself with all this shit to is there a world in which if all the Republicans ignore Donald Trump that Donald Trump all the sudden starts to try to make deals with Democrats at the end you think that's at all possible I mean I'm kind of like people are probably like to him if you've been drinking today which I have not but you know if he loses the attention does like is there a world that that good I think he's going to spend the last two years of his presidency knocking the shit out of any Republican who tries to run the president yeah I think that is all his attention like the country could be in shambles we could have another like covid level pandemic that shuts the country he will give a shit about nothing except someone coming in and trying to be number 48 yep yep that's that's the one thing he'll care about for two years I think it's back around in the midterms he'll be worried about impeachment too yeah he'll he'll he'll be fighting I mean the government shutdowns the impeachment like what kinds of bills I mean it all depends on the margins but if we see a 30 to 40 seats swing like we should and I think probably will in the house if we can I mean I refuse to accept that the Senate is out of reach if clobuchar has to go in Minnesota which we haven't talked about this yet hopefully those are all easily saved seats and we don't have to spend a bunch of money but if we can get the Senate and all of Congress can be against and we won't have a veto proof majority I don't think we certainly won't have a filibuster proof majority that's not even like possible I think no we can we can send him all sorts of things that will just he'll have to still either not sign and explain or he'll have to sign and make deals because a whole bunch of impeachment hearings and just ruining the last two years of his of his term he'll get real pissed about that and post a lot about on true social but after a couple of months of that I think he'll start to be like I want to have a better legacy think of think I mean I think that the ceiling for Democrats is probably 52 and and that would be that would be a ridiculous and that's Susan Collins has gone that's even Iowa maybe like that's a bunch of shit I mean here and sucks let's go take that see I mean I'm all for it but you know that state has not been treating us well lately but like if Democrats are a 52 I bet they could find eights eight Republicans to go along with stuff I mean you know the castes of the world and uh Lisa Murkowski and Bill Moran brought maybe in Kansas maybe and by the way these are not good people I'm just saying people that would maybe could you come with Trump I just want their vote I don't care but the house where I think 30 to 40 seats is is entirely doable yeah and so we could have a 30 seat majority which means we can pass a bunch progressive progressive shit and not make our board moderates vote for them and protect them it opens up a lot of opportunities if Donald Trump is feeling vengeful which is the only emotion that he has yeah yep yep and he's going to hate being not the most important person in the Republican party which will be over three years from January 20th I mean it's it's already it's already true he's just fighting it you know he's trying to stay as relevant as possible he's constantly moving the camera moving the microphone he's trying he's doing every single thing he can to keep people from recognizing what we've talked about you know many times is that he's a lame duck president and he's never going to be on the ballot again and so everybody who's running for election in 26 and 28 they're going to have to do this on their own they're going to have to win on their own records and it's a lot different when there's not somebody on the top of the ballot that you're really excited to vote for and instead you've got shady vans or mark the ruby like I don't cruise these things are the straight based dead crew Rafael cruise Tim canadian canadian is on James Donald Bowman or or Rafael cruise are the two you know the two names on the ballot then you're then you're like well now vote for all the state senators and the representatives underneath that I know it just doesn't it just doesn't get it done and they're all going to have to come to grips with that so there we're going to see a lot of people start to distancing yeah distance themselves well this year I think regardless of if the if the Democrats take the house and or the Senate they someone needs to bite the bullet and just be the person who just constantly harasses Trump and tries to include as a rider on every bill that they're going to rename the the ballroom at the White House the Epstein Trump ball every single bill every piece of love a lot of legislation must pass legislations veteran veterans health care benefits when when the VA I'm for gets gets reauthorized with the defense budget the Trump class boats are going to be the Trump the Epstein Trump because Trump's name has to come second that's right I love it and more the Trump class boats need to be named the Epstein Trump class well Chris now you've got the next question for any members of Congress to come on if they are willing to do that I could think Ted Lou would be a good choice Eric Swalwell would probably love to do it there's a I think we could find to be or some freshman or two or sophomore members that want to get a name for themselves they could toss that stuff in there but I I think it's great because it's time to start fucking with them the way they do with us just get Thomas Massey and Rokhan are to cosine that a day for every single thing I mean they're the ones who just discharge petition for everything let's go I mean the the powers of Congress are are pretty great if they want to flex it I don't think that there's anything to stop them from passing a law that everywhere that the word Trump appears on a government document Epstein needs to come before they can do that Trump has the new the Trump gold card visa it should be the Epstein Trump visa because Trump comes second just like after he finishes with Bubba did you guys know Bubba is a horse by the way yeah what did their Bill Clinton or it's a horse so wait like are you so the Epstein the Epstein estate I believe clarified that Bubba is a horse so interesting just so you know okay yeah okay I thought you were but anyway back to harassing Trump which I think is extremely important for for democratic strategy and absolutely every single thing like he he is creating these new visas the Trump gold gold card it needs to be the Epstein and he's got his face on it I think we should put Epstein's face right there just like that still that's like one over like kind of one over the other one in Epstein's in the front Trump Trump's like remember the 90s those hologram cards like on everything we are a flea baseball cards I think I want just billion of them oh yeah just have those hologram cards everywhere that Trump's image exists he's on the Department of Labor he's got those like communist style of shiny banners of his face would and Congress needs to pass a law that everywhere that his face is on the Department of Labor we got a giant fucking holographic sign that turns him into you know you know what presidential candidate that's I mean he's going to run that would do that Gavin Newsom we got to but that's after the Noah guy who has lined to that office yeah sorry I don't know you know so a good question for you guys I want to see honestly vote would you support putting Trump on the $100 bill if they also changed it to say in Epstein we trust across the top of it yes yes yes yes yes oh easy I have no problem with that we've been a key so we shop all questions but not a hundred dollar bill we should bring back the penny because the the destruction of the penny without any warning without any plan was actually was actually very dumb so we should bring back the penny so our lowest denomination is the Trump Epstein penny well maybe could we get Mexico to do it on the peso because that's the worth even less right we can just like find everybody just mock and wherever it goes well we only have a few minutes left but I want to get us some real real quick because it's also about what we do but we we just got the news today that Tim Walls has decided to not run for a third term for a few reasons one I think that well I personally believe governors probably shouldn't run for more than two terms because it is a grueling job but there were some sagging poll numbers and then obviously this completely and this is the part I want to talk about this Nick whatever's name is surely video which is all bullshit has blown up on the right wing and I think yet again it shows how the right has a very sophisticated strong obnoxious but strong communications apparatus digital communications press whatever and essentially we're able to make this a thing to the point where mainstream media was is talking about his discoveries of fraud which is not true and so guys this is why we are doing what we are doing but we need more people on our side because this is what happens when there isn't enough pushback on blatant lies it becomes truth or partial truths and you know I think Tim Walls is a good guy but resigning probably ends his chances at running for president or any other office and by all accounts is a great person and has been investigating this since 2019 so this isn't like he didn't know it was going on but it's just a frustrating yeah I mean it's so and let's be real clear he's not resigning he's not resigning I just not running sorry and I don't I don't even remember if he said that but I was even thinking that myself he still has a year left so he's not he's not resigning from you know as governor he's just not running for reelection he's so he can focus on you know getting this I think behind him getting everything back in order personally though like I might rate I do I'm fucking I rate this is like the most democratic thing like where we hold ourselves to different standards if if if if he was negligent in this sure if if he like hired a bunch of people who were administering fraud sure these are all conversations we can have but when you're the one who is overseeing trying to make the community better and then some pieces of shit take advantage of it in the process and then your people are the also the ones who figure it out and are prosecuting it like nobody said that with the right governor the right president you just don't have crime anymore people are shitty people are fucking losers man there's like 0.1% of people or maybe even like 4% of people who are just pieces of shit they just commit fraud they take money when it's in front of them if they get if they're given a chance Trump knows a lot of these people it turns out and that's not going to stop regardless of who's governor so I think I would have wanted to see him throw some punches reclaim the narrative by pointing out that he's the one who's driving the investigation he's the one who's seeing through the convictions and getting restitution I think that would have been a much better angle now I I'm speaking out of ignorance here I haven't gotten to read the the coverage of his decision not to run but I feel like it would him choosing to drop out now over this story that is like three days old I don't buy that that is the thing that that made this decision for him I think what is much more likely is that his family has paid a real serious cost I think that's true I think that's not true like I I haven't you know had the opportunity to speak to walls in many years at this point but from the way that I knew him as a member of congress I think that his family is the reason that he's leaving his family has been getting harassed relentlessly since since he was you know got the VP nomination and my suspicion is that this this Minnesota you know racist conspiracy theory thing it has nothing to do with his decision at all well hope hope walls his daughter has posted videos talking about how it sucks because by the way if people didn't know republicans and mega folks have been driving by the governor's mansion in Minnesota screaming the R word out their car window as they drive by because these guys are all 12 and it is one of the most pathetic sad things that I'm seeing like grown-ass men taking their families to go do this like I cannot think of much of a lower stupid immature thing to do also on American thing to do then to go yell a slur at first of all at a at a building 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