DISGRACELAND

Bonus Episode: Underrated and Influential Women From Music History, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees, and our Inductee Picks

45 min
Mar 19, 20262 months ago
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Summary

This Disgraceland bonus episode examines criminally underrated female rock stars, analyzes their absence from major music industry lists like Rolling Stone's top 100, and discusses the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's historical underrepresentation of women in rock history. The host critiques how institutions fail to recognize influential female musicians while previewing upcoming episodes on Chrissy Hyne, Pete Doherty, and Patty Smith.

Insights
  • Major music industry publications systematically underrank female artists—Rolling Stone's 2010 top 100 list features only one woman in the top 10 and requires dropping to #36 for the second female artist, indicating structural bias in music criticism and canonization
  • The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's induction decisions often contradict their own nomination criteria, as evidenced by Chrissy Hyne's 2005 induction despite her exclusion from Rolling Stone's authoritative rankings, suggesting inconsistent standards across institutions
  • Female artists who broke barriers (The Go-Go's writing their own #1 hit, Patty Smith pioneering punk) are systematically undervalued compared to male contemporaries, with their cultural impact minimized in retrospective rankings and historical narratives
  • Listener engagement reveals strong generational consensus on underrated female rock artists (Nina Hagen, Joan Jett, Wendy O. Williams, Kim Gordon, Suzy Quattro), suggesting audience awareness exceeds institutional recognition of women's contributions to rock history
  • The podcast format enables direct audience participation in music history discourse, with listeners providing primary sources (e.g., John Wayne Gacy pen pal correspondence) and corrections to mainstream narratives that traditional media overlooks
Trends
Institutional bias in music canonization—major publications systematically underrank female artists in definitive 'greatest of all time' lists despite their cultural impactAudience-driven music history correction—podcast listeners actively challenge and supplement official narratives with primary sources and overlooked artist contributionsFemale artist rediscovery movement—growing listener interest in underrated women rockers (Nina Hagen, Suzy Quattro, Wendy O. Williams) indicates demand for alternative music history narrativesTrue crime integration in music history—combining criminal/transgressive narratives with artist profiles attracts engaged audiences interested in untold storiesMulti-platform content strategy—video podcasts, exclusive Patreon content, and cross-feed promotion (Disgraceland/Hollywoodland) create ecosystem for deeper audience engagementSouth by Southwest as industry networking hub—podcasters using major events to reconnect with peers and announce major projects, suggesting podcast industry consolidation around key eventsListener-generated content value—voicemails, texts, and emails from audience provide primary sources and alternative perspectives that enhance editorial credibility
Topics
Female rock musicians underrepresentation in music industry rankingsRolling Stone magazine's 2010 top 100 artists list bias against womenRock and Roll Hall of Fame induction criteria and gender disparitiesChrissy Hyne and The Pretenders' cultural impact and cool factor in 1980sPatty Smith's pioneering role in punk rock and door-breaking artistryThe Go-Go's as first all-female group with self-written #1 recordNina Hagen as godmother of punk rockJoan Jett's consistency and authenticity in rock and rollWendy O. Williams' badass persona and influenceKim Gordon and Sonic Youth's cultural significanceSuzy Quattro's force of nature impact on rock musicPete Doherty and Mark Blanco death mystery investigationSouth by Southwest music festival experiences and networkingPodcast community building and listener engagement strategiesMusic history narrative correction through podcast format
Companies
Rolling Stone
Host critiques their 2010 '100 Greatest Artists' list for systematically underranking female musicians, with only one...
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Discussed for inducting Chrissy Hyne/The Pretenders in 2005 while they were excluded from Rolling Stone's authoritati...
MTV
Referenced as platform where Chrissy Hyne and The Pretenders achieved mainstream visibility in 1980s with music videos
Spotify
Mentioned as podcast distribution platform where listeners leave reviews and engage with Disgraceland content
Apple Podcasts
Primary podcast platform where Disgraceland episodes are distributed and reviewed by listeners
Five Hour Energy
Sponsor of sports rants segment, offering fruity rainbow flavor caffeine shots
People
Chrissy Hyne
Subject of full episode; nearly joined The Clash, Sex Pistols, and The Damned; inducted into Rock and Roll Hall of Fa...
Patty Smith
Discussed as godmother of punk who busted down doors; upcoming episode planned for early April; ranked too low on Rol...
Pete Doherty
Subject of upcoming episode examining alleged connection to playwright Mark Blanco's death; described as underreporte...
Mark Blanco
Death initially reported as suicide, then accident; suspected murder; central to Pete Doherty episode investigation
Nina Hagen
Listener-nominated as godmother of punk rock; still performing; marked for future Disgraceland episode
Joan Jett
Listener-nominated as badass female rocker; consistent to her roots since 1970s; featured in 'Light of Day' film
Wendy O. Williams
Multiple listeners nominated as supremely badass; marked for Disgraceland episode in coming months
Kim Gordon
Listener-nominated as potentially top badass female artist; member of Sonic Youth; collaborated with Chuck D
Suzy Quattro
Detroit musician; listener recommendation for episode; still performing; marked for future Disgraceland coverage
Nora Jones
Performed intimate set with St. Vincent at South by Southwest; host witnessed performance
Annie Clark
Performed with Nora Jones at South by Southwest; host attended intimate set
Alanis Morissette
Performed at South by Southwest; host experienced FOMO for missing her show after seeing clips
John Wayne Gacy
Listener revealed being pen pal; Gacy listed Elton John as favorite music in questionnaire response
Blaze Foley
Subject of 2018 film 'Blaze' directed by Ethan Hawk; inspired host's Townes Van Zandt episode
Townes Van Zandt
Subject of recent Disgraceland episode; described as genius and poet; featured in 'Blaze' film
Charlie Sexton
Portrayed Townes Van Zandt in 'Blaze' film; host observed him on street in New York; described as looking badass
Ethan Hawk
Directed 2018 film 'Blaze' about Blaze Foley; recommended by listener Karen Curtin
Aretha Franklin
Only woman in Rolling Stone top 10 at #9; host believes she deserves top 10 ranking
Madonna
Ranked #37 on Rolling Stone list; host argues she's way too low; wouldn't exist without Patty Smith and The Go-Go's
Quotes
"Chrissy Hyne from the Pretenders, their singer that she was also nearly a member of the Clash. She was also nearly a member of the Sex Pistols and of the Damned."
HostEarly in episode
"Who was cooler than Chrissy Hyne at that time? Who? No one. No one. That's who."
HostMid-episode discussion
"The hall of fame like this Rolling Stone list is fucking lame and called it out as a lame example of establishment back slapping and just said that it has nothing to do with rock and roll."
Host, referencing Chrissy HyneRock and Roll Hall of Fame discussion
"It is no easy task. Now if you haven't heard our full episode on Chrissy Hyne, you're about to get some spoilers here."
HostEpisode introduction
"Nina Hagen is beyond amazing. She has been around. She's still here. She's still performing and she is amazing. She's the godmother of punk rock and she will be forever."
Amy from Milwaukee (listener voicemail)Listener segment
Full Transcript
Double Elvis Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode, we discuss criminally underrated female rock stars, get your thoughts on the most influential women from music history preview next week's episode on the libertines, Pete Dougherty and the murder he is alleged by some to have been a part of. And in the exclusive section, we dive into this year's rock and roll hall of fame nominees and let you know who we think is going to be inducted plus get into your emails, comments, DMs and as always a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. Alright Discos, let's get into it. Okay in this week's episode of Disgraceland, we cover the incredible early career of Chrissy Hyne from the Pretenders, a woman who charged through all of the obstacles that were set before her and didn't stop until she got what she wanted, which wasn't just rock stardom, it was really she wanted to be free. She wanted freedom. She wanted freedom from her suburban surroundings. She wanted something bigger from this life and liberation through art through rock and roll, which I don't care what era we are talking about guys. It is no easy task. Now if you haven't heard our full episode on Chrissy Hyne, you're about to get some spoilers here, so I encourage you to go back just one story in the feed and check that episode out. But if you have already heard it, then you know that Chrissy Hyne from the Pretenders, their singer that she was also nearly a member of the Clash. She was also nearly a member of the Sex Pistols and of the Damned. This blew my mind. Another fun fact, her and Pretenders guitar player James Honeyman Scott discovered the violent fems. Chrissy Hyne as we outline in our story overcame violent attacks in London bullets at Kent State and way more to eventually create the Pretenders, the Pretenders, the Pretenders, a great rock and roll band with a front woman who sported one of the most badass, indelible and identifiable images in rock history. Seriously in the 1980s, when the Pretenders started hitting the charts for real showing up on MTV with their early hits back on the chain gang, middle of the road, I ask you this in all sincerity, who was cooler than Chrissy Hyne at that time? Who? No one. No one. That's who. She had those low black bangs, super dark eyeliner. She's like a bizarro world Debbie Harry in Ohio, Tom Petty by way of London. Chrissy Hyne anyways from the Pretenders defined effortless cool and artistry. This week's full episode on Chrissy, I asked the question, who is the coolest, most badass influential female musician from rock and roll history? This is not an easy question. Super hard question. We're going to try to answer today with your voicemails, your texts and your emails coming up. I thought we'd look at what the experts think because guys, newsflash, the experts, they usually don't know shit. Before we dive in, I should mention though that I'm putting this episode together here in Austin, Texas at South by Southwest where most of the great music I saw over these last few nights was or days and nights I should say was from women. I saw an intimate set with Nora Jones and Annie from St. Vincent performing. They're performing together. It was amazing. It was a scorching set by accident at the San Jose Hotel by Sana Sana. I don't really like San Jose, but I suffered severe FOMO and I'm suffering severe FOMO. I should say I could have gone to see a Linus Morissette and I didn't. I went back to my hotel and then I was talking to all my friends the next day who went and they were all blown away. It was an incredible show. I've since seen Rolling Stone, had clips on Instagram and I fucked up. I should have gone to the Linus show, but I did not. But anyways, all to say, this week's question of the week is top of mind to say the least. Anyway, to who the so-called experts believe is the quote unquote greatest most badass influential female musician from rock history. Now, of course, there's no list that indicates such, but there are many lists that we could consult that are vaguely related to this, that we could consult for this exercise. There's lots of lists ticking off the accolades of women in rock and women from music history and their contributions to culture. But I think it makes more sense to look at lists of both men and women, of both women and men. For example, Rolling Stone, they're kind of the authority. Like it or not, there's no more spin really. Cream doesn't compete. Alternative press is just too narrowly focused. Mojo, I didn't look at Mojo though, but Mojo is kind of an authority as well. But Rolling Stone is kind of the authority. So Rolling Stone magazine is a list of 100 greatest artists from rock and roll history that they put together in 2010. There's one woman in the top 10 on this list of 100. There's one woman, she comes in at number nine. Then we have to go way down to number 36 for the next woman on the list. And it's Madonna. Only two more women are in the top 50. That's Janice Joplin at 46 and Patty Smith at 47, which is way too low for Patty Smith. Way too low. Way higher than Janice, I believe. Now unbelievably, Tina Turner doesn't even make the list by herself. She makes it as a member of her abusive psychopathic husband's duo, Ike and Tina Turner. And they're at number 61, which is way too low, both for the duo, for Ike Turner individually, and for Tina Turner individually. And then they're at number 62. It feels like they kind of bunched the women together here. They've got Janice Jannis at 46 and Patty Smith at 47. And they've got Tina Turner at 61 and Edda James at 62. It's almost like they get down the list and they go, shit, we forgot. We don't have any chicks on here, man. What are we going to do? And then they just bunched a couple together back to back. Anyhow, Tina Turner is at 61. Edda James is at 62. The Shurels, 76. Martha and the Vandals, 86. Diana Ross and the Supremes at 87. Chrissy Hyne and the Pretenders, they don't even sniff this list. This list blows, okay? Aretha Franklin is the artist at number nine that I didn't mention earlier. I didn't mention the name of the artist. She's the only woman in the top 10. And I think she should be in the top 10 for sure. Top 10 is tight, I gotta say. Here it is, numbers eight through one in reverse order. Little Richard, James Brown, Jimmy Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Rolling Stones at four, Elvis Presley at three, Bob Dylan at two, and the Beatles at one. We could spend all episode discussing those top three. Elvis three, Bob Dylan two, Beatles at one, and what the right configuration is. But I'm not gonna do that. We're having a different conversation right now. It's hard though to argue with the list overall, the top nine, okay? Again, Aretha in reverse order. Aretha, Little Richard, James Brown, Jimmy Hendrix, Chuck Berry, the Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Bob Dylan, and the Beatles. Number 10, by the way, is Ray Charles. I actually think Ray Charles is too low. I think he could be higher. I think Ray Charles should be higher than Little Richard. Whoa! I'm not gonna get into why. I'm not gonna derail this conversation. I wanna keep it focused. Okay, but Madonna, the next most influential female artist, Madonna, way down at 37 as well, that's just wrong. First of all, forget about Madonna for a second. We don't get, actually don't forget about Madonna, because we don't get Madonna without Patty Smith. I would say we don't even get Madonna without the go-go's. Hear me out. Patty Smith busted down doors that we didn't even know were there. Okay? You're gonna hear about that in our Patty Smith episode coming up in a couple weeks, like two weeks, I think, three weeks, three weeks, April, early April. But Patty Smith should be higher, man, way higher, like top 20. And the go-go's. Now, I know the go-go's are basically contemporaries of Madonna. They kinda hit around the same time. Go-go's broke through on MTV just a little bit earlier. But most importantly, go-go's broke through. They wrote their own songs. They were the first group of female musicians to have a number one record with songs they themselves wrote. Okay? And this is after everybody told them that they couldn't do this. Basically told them they couldn't write their own songs. It's insane that they're not on this list at all. It makes absolutely no sense. And so does the exclusion of the pretenders. Because in a way, Chrissy Hyde defied what rock and roll looked and sounded like for a minute there in the 1980s. I mean, really, she really did. I was there. I remember. Okay? But, like I said, what do the experts know? Typically nothing. Chrissy Hyde, however, was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame with the pretenders five years before this Rolling Stone list came out. Okay? So look, they go ahead and they make the list. Chrissy Hyde's in the rock and roll hall of fame and they leave her off the list. It doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying take off, you know, the Charelles or Diana. But I mean, come on. Anyhow, when she's inducted in 2005, Chrissy was cool enough to recognize that the hall of fame like this Rolling Stone list is fucking lame and called it out as a lame example of establishment back slapping and just said that it has nothing to do with rock and roll. They're absolutely right. Despite how hard they try, they will forever be the antithesis of rock and roll. That said, if they want to induct me as the first podcaster, I will fucking buy my own my own travel fare. Kidding. No, no. Anyhow, she was right. Patty Smith is right. Excuse me, Chrissy Hyde was right. Patty Smith is right too, but a lot of things. But Chrissy Hyde is who we're talking about and she was right. And anyways, I'm looking forward to hearing your takes on not only Chrissy Hyde, but on our question of the week on the greatest female musicians from music history. And that's going to come up in a minute. All right, we're going to get to that. Your voicemails, your texts, your emails, going to hear from you guys. Now, speaking, however, of the rock and roll hall of fame, the nominees were announced a couple of weeks ago. We got a lot going on over here at Double Love of Sick. You probably might not be able to tell. Maybe you can, but there's been a lot going on. And we didn't even mention the rock and roll hall of fame nominations, which we typically have some fun with. There's a brief little conversation in the Patreon chat, but we haven't spent much time on the subject, but we will be spending time on it today in the exclusive section of this after party. And I'm not going to be discussing what we think of this here as nominees and who we think is going to get inducted. It's just a wild list. It's almost impossible to predict who gets in or why they're even nominated. And we all kind of have our own ideas of what warrants a nomination, never mind an induction. Anyways, that's going on in the exclusive section of this after party coming up. Go to discracehanpod.com to sign up to become an all access member. You want to get in there with the other discos and the Patreon chat, chop it up about wild stories from music history, whatever's going on in music at the moment. Again, go to discracehanpod.com to sign up for exclusive content like this conversation Seth and I are going to be having as well as ad free content. Okay, but before, before all that, before we get into the exclusive section and before your voicemails and texts and emails, a quick rundown of what is happening in Disgrace Land this week. Like I said, we've got our Chrissy Hyne episode that's available for you. All right, we've got coming up next right after this here bonus episode, we have our rewind episode, which we do every week, which you guys know, dip into the archive of over 200 and G's on our 65 episodes by now. And we pull one out of a hat this week. It's Wayland Jennings. We got Wayland Jennings, the original outlaw. Well, I don't know about the original, but he's kind of the avatar for outlaw country. Wayland Jennings is coming up in a rewind slot this week right after this. And the next Tuesday, brand new episode on Mr. Cape Moss, that would be Pete Doherty of the Libertines. It's hard to describe this Pete Doherty story. I believe that it's one of the most under reported stories in rock and roll. The story of the rock star Pete Doherty and the death of the playwright, Mark Blanco, first reported as a suicide, then an accident and suspected by many to be a murder. Now, when you're listening to this episode, be thinking about how Mark Blanco died. And let me know if you think he died by accident as authorities claim, or if he was murdered and by who or whom, which is who are murdered by whom. Do you believe Pete Doherty had anything to do with his death? Let me know. 617-9066-638. Call me and text me with your answers. Email, disgracelandpod at gmail.com. And you might hear your answer on next week's Disgrace Land bonus episode coming up. Your answers to this week's question of the week on Chrissy Hyne, on which female artists are the most influential from rock and music history. Coming up, your answers to this week's question of the week on Chrissy Hyne. I tried to say that like Terry Gress. I didn't do it well. Anyways, back in the flash. It is not hard to destroy a college. Last season, the podcast Campus Files brought you stories of fraternity drug rings, stolen body parts, campus cults and more. And now Campus Files is back for another season. There's a guy screaming into his phone. He's like, I just saw Charlie Kirkus assassinated right in front of me. Every week is a new episode and a new story. It's OK. I like it's almost like a university on a siege. Listen to and follow Campus Files available now wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back, guys. Oh, man. What a couple of days. Awesome couple of days. I'll talk about it more later. I want to get into your stuff here. I've been talking too much. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text question of the week. We're trying to answer which female artists from music history are the most bad ass, the most influential, the most consequential. Let's check out this voicemail from the four one four. Hey, Jake, this is Amy from Milwaukee. I'm calling to respond to who's the most bad ass woman in rock. That is Nina Hagen. Nina Hagen is beyond amazing. She has been around. She's still here. She's still performing and she is amazing. She's the godmother of punk rock and she will be forever. Bye. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Amy. Wait a minute. I just did about a week and a half's worth of research on Patty Smith. And I was told that Patty Smith is the godmother of punk. I actually think Patty Smith has a different title. We're going to get into that in the Patty Smith episode, but I want to know more about Nina Hagen. I know a little bit about her, not much. And I'm super interested to know what kind of crimey little juicy, true crime details there might be from Nina Hagen's past that might warrant an episode on her and a way for me to kind of dive in and learn more about her myself and hopefully bring her story to all the discos. Get at me, Amy. Get back. If you don't want to call, just send me a text. Let me know what you know about Nina Hagen. All right. 617-906-6638. The 251 calls in with this message. Hi, Jake. This is Andrew from Brooklyn. Most badass female musician. Got to be Wendy O. Williams. Thank you. Bye-bye. No, thank you, Andrew. Appreciate the call. Wendy O. Williams. I hear you. Supremely badass. Another one that I'm not super familiar with and I'm excited to start researching. We've got her on the list for an episode coming up in a couple of months. So Wendy O. Williams will be coming your way in Disgrace Land shortly. Andrew, thank you for the call. Let's dig into the 724. Hey, Jake, this is Clint. 724, Western Pennsylvania in response to your baddest ass to female rock, rock and roll. Got to be Joan Jett. He's been true to her roots from the time she started out as a minor in the 70s. She's been through the, been through the ringer, stuck to her attitude, stuck to her rock and roll. Got to be Joan Jett, bro. All right. Hey, thanks for the show. You do a great job. Appreciate you out there in Western Pennsylvania. Can't argue with Joan Jett. I hope you dug our Runaways episode. Also, Clint, let me know if you've seen the light of day. Fun, fun fact. The light of day, Joan Jett, Michael J. Fox film came out in the 80s. The first show I ever played on tour with my band was in Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio, at the Euclid Tavern where they filmed Light of Day. We drove straight from Queens. Castner and I can still shoot all crammed into one van. And it was, uh, gotta say it was a lot of fun. There's about four people there, but hey, we didn't care. We thought we were like black flag in the 80s out there grinding. We kind of were in our own little way. Anyway, shout out to the Euclid Tavern and Joan Jett, Light of Day. Pretty good movie. Haven't seen it since it came out. I don't know. 7-8-1. Let's check out what they get to say. What up, Jake? It's your boy, Ben. It's just checking in. I just wanted to call you and tell you I was having a shit morning and I was listening to the bonus episode, what music do serial killers listen to and the part about John Wayne Gacy running around in this clown outfit? Listen to Benny Hill. I mean, thank you. Thank you so much, bro. Like you just put a smile on my face and made my commute better. I hope all is well. Keep up the good work and just fucking disco. Ish, my man. Love this call. I think you just, you just play the Benny Hill music and you just, you can't help but feel good. You can't help but laugh. Matt, Matt, give us a little Benny Hill. See, now we all feel a little better, don't we? We do. It's just, it's magic. I don't know what it is. It's so dumb, especially when you're thinking of John Wayne Gacy running around, listening to, listening to it and his clown get, I, yeah, yeah, this is just kind of the gift that keeps on giving. 617-906-6638 guys, voicemail and text. Don't forget, hit me about next week's question of the week. We're going to be getting into this topic of Pete D'Arty and the murder mystery. Again, super underreported story. And I've been coming across a lot of these lately where it's just like, it's a type of story where I don't think it's unfinished. I think there's a lot left to be uncovered there. Super true, crimey. Uh, and again, the question is after you hear our episode, do you think that, uh, do you think that Mark Blanco, uh, that his death. At that party with Pete for the libertines was an accident or do you think he was murdered? Hit me up and let me know. 617-906-6638 voicemail. You can also text me if you want. You don't feel like talking into the talkie talk box. You can just send a text. Lots of people text. We got the five, four, one here texting in. Hey, Jake, Tom from the five, four, one here. Excellent job on the Chrissy Hynd episode. She's one of my all time favorites and the most badass, but there are many others here or a few. Joan Jett Brody Dahl from the decilers, Kathleen Hannah, Bikini, kill Carrie Brownstein, Slater, Kenny, Kim Gordon, Sonic youth. So many more, but I'll leave it, leave it there. Peace. Yeah. Kim Gordon from Sonic youth might be tops on my list. Supremely badass. Cool thing. The way she's talking to Chuck D and that song. That was originally written for L Cool J, but he wouldn't do it. Just so awesome. And Carrie Brownstein. Yeah. I was walking into a hotel one night in New York and it was really late. And I noticed that I was sort of walking in with Carrie Brownstein. And I wanted to say something, but I didn't because it would have been fucking weird. It was like two in the morning, but she just looks so badass. She looked like way more rockstar than, than she does on Portlandia, of course. But even on stage, she just kind of had this aura tour that was just super fucking cool. And I was just kind of like, yeah, respect you go. All right, I dig that. Brody doll. Yeah. Bad ass, super badass and awesome, by the way, too. Great, great. Just a fucking great musician. Love the distillers. Tough to fuck with Kathleen Hannah here. You got a great list. Great list, Tom in the five, four, one. Appreciate you. Nine oh four, right. And never received the shirt. Listen, nine oh four. That shirt's coming. I shouldn't say shirt. It's merch. It's merch. I know I mentioned you a couple of weeks back on the bonus episode, but here's the deal. I mail these out once a month. I can't be going to the post office every week or even every two weeks. If I'm lucky, I get there once a month. I try to get there once a month. So it will come. Some of you might be listening and I know you're like, what do you mean? Who, who, who did you miss? Who, what, what are you sending? Well, I send merch to people who leave reviews for disgrace land that I end up reading not everyone leaves a review, but if you leave a leave a review on Apple podcasts or Spotify and I select it and I read it here in the podcast and you get in touch with me. If you text me 617 906 6 6 3 8, like the nine oh four here and I read your, your review and you text me and you give me like a shirt size or something. Then I will send some awesomeness your way as a little thank you. All right. Now, not everybody leaves a review gets one, but most, well, not most. A lot of people do. Your chances aren't, aren't none is what I'm saying. I just ask you to be patient. It's a common speaking reviews. We've got this one on an Apple podcast from DW 155 DW DW gives five stars as amazing shows. I love these podcasts. I've listened to every available episode of both disgrace land and Hollywood land. And I just want to say how important these shows have become to me. I was recently interviewed for a spotlight in my company's newsletter and social media. And I knew they were going to ask me for podcast movie or music recommendations because it was mentioned in the pre interview email, but during the actual interview podcast never came up. So when she asked at the end, if I had anything else to add, I made a point to mention how big a fan I am with these shows. If you're on the fence about listening, stop reading this and just hit play. It's amazing. Yo DW 155 DW hit us up, man. 617 906 6 6 6 3 8. I said man, but I don't know if you're a man or a woman, whatever you are, get at us. And we will get you some merch for that wonderful positive review. G ward two on Spotify and in Nancy Wilson of heart are the best female rockers in my mind. Just listen to Barracuda. And then of course, Janice Joplin, I look forward to every episode from disgrace land and Hollywood land, the after party, et cetera. Keep them coming from Jeanette. Jeanette, get in touch with a 617 906 6 6 6 3 8. Jeanette's kind of combining a review there with the question of the week with her answer. You can do that. You can do whatever you want. Five, three, oh Texan biggest bad ass female. Another one clearly Wendy Williams. That's what they're saying. Lots of people with the Wendy, Wendy Williams. You guys are going to love this episode 949 Texan in regards to our conversation last week about serial killers and the music that they listened to. John Wayne, Gacy listened to Elton John. How do I know this? I was a pen pal of his. Gacy had a questionnaire he would send to people who wrote to him. And when he sent me the questionnaire, I said, I'd complete one if he would too. And he did. One of the questions on it was about music that we both listened to and Elton John as a favorite. Oh my. Wow. I'm just, uh, yo, nine four nine. Thank you. Also, I hope you're good nine four nine. Appreciate you. I was talking to a friend the other night and, uh, I decided you mentioned pen pals. I decided I'm going to become pen pals with Tom Hanks because it's not hard. I know how to do this. I don't know Tom Hanks, but I know how to become a pen pal of his. I'm not going to give it away, but, uh, a friend of mine does know Tom Hanks a little bit, doesn't know him. I don't want to oversell his connection to him, but he basically, my friend of mine is in a band and Tom's a fan of his band and they hung out about a year ago. So the whole nature of my, my pen pal correspondence that I'm going to take up with Tom Hanks, I'm just going to talk shit about my friend. That he knows. And, uh, I'm very excited about this. Actually, I have to get a couple of props together. I don't want to give too much away, but I'm looking forward to this. It's going to be fun. 617-906-6638 at the disgrace lamp on the socials as well. If you want to hit me up there on Instagram or Tik Tok, that's really where I'm going to respond to you. Maybe Facebook, probably not X. It's hard. It's hard to keep all the correspondence going on all the damn channels, man. Lee writes in, Hey, Jake, I hope you check out the killing. It's intense and fantastic. Be well. Lee, were we talking about that last week, the killing? Cause the killing has been on my mind and I mentioned it because I, it's one of Patty Smith's favorites and that came up in the, in the research. I think so. I think so. I haven't checked it out yet, but I'm excited to. I got to get through love story first. I got to get through, uh, John, John and C-Caroline Bissette. Got pretty, got pretty rocky this last week for Carolyn. God, this show is trash, but I love it. I do. I just fucking love it, but I'm excited to get into the killing. Not going to lie. Karen Curtin sends us an email. She says, thanks, many, many thanks for profiling Towns Van Zandt. He was a genius and a poet for his and our times. If you haven't seen it, I recommend the 2018 film, Blaze, directed by Ethan Hawk, based on the life of Blaze Foley. Towns Van Zandt is portrayed by Charlie Sexton. Brilliant. Female rocker series, me and, uh, Bestie are headed to London next month to see Suzy Quattro Detroit's finest. She's going to perform and she can still bring it. I scrolled through back episodes of disgrace land and didn't see an episode. Just a suggestion. She was a force of nature, a relatively new listener, bringing more converts to your podcast, KC and SLC. KC writing down here, Nina Hagen from that earlier correspondence and Suzy Quattro because neither are on our list and I'm going to put them on there. Guess who I saw a couple of days ago. Just, uh, you know, walking on the street. One Charlie Sexton who you bring out, who you can imagine looks cool. AF still to this day. Guys been on the scene since I don't know. He's like 17. He's always looked badass and cool. And yeah, I did see Blaze. It's amazing. It's incredible. It's actually what made me want to do the towns, Vanzant episode. We will do a blaze Foley episode at some point in addition to Suzy Quattro. Thanks for getting at us. Karen Curtin, appreciate you. Disgrace and pot at gmail.com guys. You want to email me like Karen, you want to get in touch about anything. Go for it. I'll be back in the flash. Think you know Sherlock Holmes. This is the full case file. All 60 stories brought to life by BBC Radio 4 with a cinematic cast and edge of your seat storytelling. Footprints. Footprints. And man's or a woman's. Mr. Holmes. They were the footprints of a gigantic hound. Start listening to Sherlock Holmes, the complete BBC collection on Spotify now. That's what a war does. I had two sons. Now I've got one. Hi, I'm Brian Cranston and I play Joe Cump. And I'm Marianne Jean-Baptiste and I play Kate Keller in All My Sons. And we'd like to invite you to watch this production of All My Sons by Arthur Miller coming the 16th of April to the cinema. You can get your tickets at ntlive.com. All right, I'm back back in the saddle today. I started putting my thoughts together for this episode when I was in Austin at South by Southwest and I'm recording today. I'm back home and I had a great time. I really did. I think I had the best time at South by Southwest that I've had in about a decade. I've been going to South by South for a long time. I've been going to South by Southwest for a long time. I've been going to South by Southwest since 2003 when I was in bands and playing solo and hanging out. But at a certain point it just got to be work. And I went a couple of years ago and I really didn't want to go. And I was trying to remember the last time I was excited to go to South by Southwest and I couldn't. I was telling my wife before I went. I was like, you know, I'm really excited this time. She was like, what? Because for those who haven't gone, it sounds, I'm sure it sounds great, but it is overwhelming and it has become like this bohemath of an event that just, you got to kind of, you're like, it can suck you in. It's like a, it'll suck you in like a washing machine and just spin you around. You'll come out all wet and twist it up. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just it's just, it can do that to you. By I guess age or something, I know how to do it now. And I just, I saw a bunch of friends I haven't seen in a really, really long time. And I just realized how, how long it's been since, since I got out there and just, you know, kind of did the thing. And I did the thing and I had a great time reconnecting with people. I saw, I did a little performance with some friends that you'll hear about soon. We've got a big announcement we're going to make in relation to that big, big, big, huge, the huge kind of once in every couple of years kind, kind of announcement and connected, like I said, with a bunch of friends. Saw some good live podcasts, saw some good live music, went to the award show, supported some of my friends. It was just great. It was fun. It was a blast. Travel sucked on the way back, but I didn't care. I was watching the big Lebowski on the plane last night. Was supposed to watch it last week. Didn't get to it. Got to it on the plane though. And I didn't have plane tears. You know, that's the thing. I had plane laughs though. I was laughing my ass off. Guy next to me knew why and he understood. He understood. I think he was like a pro ballplayer or something. Guy was huge. He just looked like a baseball player. I don't know what that one's talking about though. He could have been anything, could have been a fireman. Anyhow, he was telling me that his dad is, this is his favorite movie. And I told him I saw it in the theaters when it came out. And then I felt old because I realized like probably could have been this guy's dad. Um, he's a full grown man. Anyhow, the movie, I was watching it not just because it's fantastic and I love it. I was watching it because Zeth and I are profiling it in this film. It should be played loud and we are going to film that tomorrow, that podcast. The fourth installment of our video podcast, this film should be played loud, which you can hear exclusively on the Patreon app where we focus on the great, tremendous culture defining music from our favorite movies. Big Lebowski, like I said, is our fourth installment. We've previously covered Boogie Nights, Trainspotting and Goodfellas. And if you want to watch any of those, I gotta say first, they're fucking hysterical. Second, super informative. You're gonna get information on this music that you probably didn't know or have, relative to the movie of course, but just in general. And, um, they're just really fun. I just have this such a best, such, such the best time. I have the best time. I have such a great time making these and putting them together with Zeth. And really, I've said this before, the convergence of music and movies coming together. It's, it's, you know, aside from my kids and family and all that stuff, it might be my favorite thing on the planet. It's really tremendous. You know, if God was like, Hey, you can have one thing to entertain yourself with for the rest of your life. It can only be one thing. Is it going to be like records? Is it going to be books? Is it going to be movies? It'll be movies and music. I would just be like, give me, give me movies with great soundtracks. That's what I want. Great needle drops. That's the thing. And now we're bringing that thing to you guys. You gotta be a Patreon member though. Go to discraseleampod.com to sign up to cop that. Super easy. You're also going to get ad-free listening, all kinds of stuff. And I mentioned, I do this, I do this with Zeth. I do a lot with Zeth. Zeth's in the exclusive section of this podcast coming up in a minute. And Zeth is sort of behind the, he's helming, not sort of, he is absolutely helming the Hollywoodland podcast feed these days. We have the archive episodes in there that hit once a week. And then we build, we build a little theme around that for the week and in what we're calling the wrap party episode with Zeth in the screening room episode as well. And the wrap party talks about the subject of that week's full episode. And the screening room hits on that and previews whatever film we're all going to be watching together that weekend. And then we're going to come back top of the week in the wrap party and, you know, keep it all going again. Move on to the next movie subject. That's how we do. And there's a true crime angle to all of it. It's important. It's what makes it different. It's what makes it special. It's what makes it Hollywoodland. It's what makes it double Elvis. We're not just giving you the same, same rote Hollywood history that you've heard a gazillion times. You can get anywhere else. We're giving it to you through the lens of true crime and the transgression of the actors, actresses, directors, movie moguls, whomever. Okay. That's Hollywoodland. Make sure you're subscribed on Apple podcast. I heart radio app Spotify, wherever. All right. Get that for you. It's going to make you feel better. Trust me. All right. You know what time it is now. It is time for the sports rants sponsored by five hour energy and their fruity rainbow flavor treat your taste buds to an explosion of fruity candy flavor with a tasty caffeine kick. Get candy flavor chaos with fruity rainbow five hour energy shots online at www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. So I'm a baseball nerd, baseball nut. I coach my kids baseball team. I just love it. I still in the back of my head feel like I can play. I can't, but I feel like I can. And I tried joining like a men's softball team, but I didn't really try that hard and I never kind of got through the sign ups. And it just, why are there, why is there no like podcaster softball league? Okay. All right. Why, why doesn't this exist? You know, we need to start this and it can be a travel league. It's not hard. We all come together. We do a little tournament like once twice a year. Got the double Elvis disgrace land team, the stuff you should know team, the tender foot team. And here's why I'm at this event, South by Southwest. And like every time I get to see my fellow podcasters, it's always in these sort of just like strictly industry things, which is cool. I'm not complaining. I'm not complaining, but I'm saying we need other, other events. Okay. Or perhaps maybe at these events, we create this super fun thing to do like the Eagles, the band Eagles fucking hate the Eagles. Man, you know what I'm talking about. They used to have their own little softball tournament. They used to be the, the rock and jock MTV era of softball tournaments. Remember that? That's what I'm talking about. You could do something like that for podcasting. I know I have, I know I have friends out there who listen to this show who make podcasts, get in touch and let me know what you think. I'm lamenting the fact that this does not exist, which I guess that technically makes this a rant. But I don't know. It's sportsy. It's ranty. And that's why it's here in the sports rant. Matt, how did I do? Did I nail the 60 second sports rant and under 30 seconds or the 30 second sports rant and under 60 seconds? I can't remember what the hell we're talking about. Either way, that was the sports rant sponsored by five hour energies, fruity rainbow flavor. Treat yourself to a candy like flavor explosion and satisfy your sweet tooth with the zero sugar treat. Once again, you can get in on the candy flavored chaos online at www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon today. Listen to the exclusive section of this after party. It's not going to listen to itself. All right, me and Zeth talking about this year's rock and roll nominees and who we think is going to get inducted in a couple weeks. If you are not an all access member of Disgrace Sam, now is the time www.disgracampod.com to sign up and get in here. Back in the flash. All right, guys, we are back and I mentioned so many artists today. I'm going to keep it short though. I can Tina Turner, the go-go's Madonna. Those are the archive episodes you want to listen to if you have not listened to them yet. Matt Bowden from Double Elvis will have the episode information in the show notes section of this bonus episode so that you can easily navigate your way. Like I said, I continue to turn the go-go's and Madonna three of my favorite episodes right there. I put those episodes up against any other episode in the history of podcasts. Okay, I love those three episodes. You're going to love them too. If you haven't heard them, go check them out. All right, three caps. Shall we? This week we've got our new episode on Chrissy Hyne from The Pretenders. That's available for you right now. We are rewinding into the archive tomorrow with our rewind episode on Wayland Jennings. Next week we get into our new episode on Pete Daugherty and the murder mystery surrounding Mark Blanco that's coming on Tuesday. That's over in that Hollywoodland feed right now with his Hollywood and true crime takes. Get over there and subscribe if you are not subscribed already. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast is available on Patreon. This is graysanpod.com to sign up. We've got a new episode coming on The Big Lebowski next week. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice, it keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Nina Hagen, Suzy Quattro, duly noted guys. All right, 1DO Williams as well. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do and that is a disgrace. All right, on May 14th, 2005, that was the day that the pretenders along with Chrissy Hyne, of course, were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And here's what America was listening to on that day according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Holla Back Girl, Gwen Stefani. Last week, one, Peak Position, one, Weeks on Chart, seven. Number two, hate it or love it, the games featuring 50 Cent. Last week, two, Peak Position, two, Weeks on Chart, 14. Number three, oh, Sierra featuring Ludacris. Last week, five, Peak Position, three, Weeks on Chart, eight. Number four, Lonely, Acon, last week, four. Peak Position, four. Weeks on Chart, 12. Number five, just a little bit, 50 Cent. Last week, 14. Peak Position, five. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut.