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It put a whole new spin on vintage. To hold something that old and to know what it's gone through, it's kind of an enlightening experience that I feel like is a holy sh- moment. Welcome to the Collector Nation podcast here on the Collector Nation Network. Whether you're chasing grills or calling bluffs, you take you inside the hobby. Here's your host, Ryan Alford. When people think of collectibles, they usually think modern sneakers, modern cards, and memorabilia. I know I did. But some of the most collectible objects in the world are thousands of years old. Today's guest works with ancient coins that aren't just rare. Their historical artifacts tied to empires, rulers, and moments that shaped civilization. Being Kinsers, the founder and president of Kinser Coins and a leading voice in making ancient coin collecting accessible to modern collectors. And he's even an avid baseball card collector. We'll talk about all that. We're talking about what makes ancient coins collectible, how provenance and story drive value, and why this corner of the hobby might be a one most overlooked. Dean, welcome to Collector Nation. Thanks. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Big fan, big fan. I like it, man. I'm going to get the cat out of the bag early. I have not been a coin collector in my life. I've appreciated them at times. I remember my dad occasionally having like a buffalo nickel or something in a coin jar or like things that he had. But that's about where it ended. And then a little package showed up from Dean. And I got a way to say these are very collectible. Beautiful cases, which we'll talk about. But yeah, man, excited to talk about what you're doing and it became crystal clear. Yeah. Well, you know, I started out. My dad was probably the biggest influence on me in collecting. I would say that he was eclectic at best, probably the world's largest organized hoarder. And he collected all kinds of weird things. I always mention this because people always get a kick out of it. He collected cars, but not the cars that you would think of. He liked oddball stuff. So he had fiat and sobs. He had 13 Ugoes, literally 13 Ugos and one Ugo convertible, the one Ugo convertible that made it across the pond into the United States. He was a very serious collector. So that reached out to baseball cards, football cards, coins, all of that kind of stuff. And he was an avid dealer of baseball cards and coins for a long time, as long as I grew up and before that, certainly. And those used to two, back then, those two were kind of married together. Coins and cards, the shows used to be a little, they would be both. And so it wouldn't be totally unique to go to a baseball card show and pick out some coins by Spursa. And that's really kind of how I started the collecting side. I spent my teenage years or, you know, young adult years, very interested in baseball cards. As my dad got older, he started to get sick. And then we have this large store of 13 Ugos and baseball cards by the 5,000 card box and all kinds of stuff that we had to kind of parcel out. And one of the things that really struck me was he had a collection of ancient coins. He was a very spiritual Christian person. Most of them were tied to his religion. So he had shuckles of tire, which are directly mentioned in the Bible. Widow's mites, you've got one of those. And then Tribute pennies, which is a coin that's mentioned in the Bible, render under Caesar, what is Caesar. And so as I'm going through his kind of collection, I was like, boy, this is really hard to say, is this something that people collect in large? And I started doing some research and I couldn't part with them. It didn't make sense to me. It was easier to part with the other stuff than it was with the ancient coins and they stuck with me. And so I just kind of started running into that community and starting to be starting to learn. And I didn't know a lot about ancient history. And so I started picking up, started learning, meeting with groups and all kinds of stuff. And I'm just blown away by it. I mean, it is really one of the most unique collectibles that I have ever run into. And it's probably the most satisfying in all of my experience. And that's why I like to talk about. Dean, not only do I think about the collectibility when I open the package, I, it don't want me a few things. How old in the history that is here and how much of a learning lesson could be had through this in an interesting way. I've never been, look, I mean, I was having interest in history. I'm kind of a guy that doesn't have review mirrors. I kind of don't like to look back. You know, like that's kind of like my mantra in life. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't study history. I'm just saying, like, but I am kind of a forward facing. But then I was like, this is really fascinating. And then the little cards that came with it. And I'll do justice by talking. I mean, I'm just going right in. It was the sweetest part of this. Dean was so nice to send us these. And I'm hauling them up so you need to be watching the YouTube. But seeing how old they were, it made me go, okay, this is an accessible way to own a piece of history. Because, you know, like, I mean, I don't know, but I do know like a work of art or a, you know, a gold statue. Stuff like that that has like millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands or whatever. And I know coins can get up there too, by the way. I'm sure we'll talk about that. Sure. But it felt like an accessible way to own a piece of history and a really cool way to learn about it. Absolutely. So what you're holding in your hand are three, what I would call common cards or coins that are very collectible. I would say that all three of those are about $50 each. Okay. And we're literally you're holding in your hand, Constantine the Great, who legalized Christianity, who strengthened the Roman Empire and probably caused it to be around another 150 years after him. A widow's might from the Bible, which, you know, is where the widow dedicated all of the money she had, which was two of those, as opposed to the rich person who turned in his silver, but only a small portion of his wealth. And the third one is at bronze from Alexander the Great, history's most important guy, the guy who conquered the known world. And each one of those are very affordable. I would say that they're probably in good condition, you know, or better condition than you might expect given or at least the Constantine the Great might be better than you expect. And just, you know, that's an entry level point that tells a huge story that you can add to. The great thing about the Roman Empire was they changed it, emperors like they changed underwear. So you could collect a lot of emperors, right? You could say every emperor from 300 to 400 AD and collect 30 or 40 of those emperors, right? You know, there's a lot of collectibility in there. And they're fantastic. Yeah, I was looking, I mean, just just so one knows, 40 BC, if I'm reading that correct. This is a, all right, it put a whole new spin on vintage. That's baseball cards. I think 70, 60s now are kind of universally vintage. This is 40 BC. I don't know, when does vintage start coins? Well, I mean, I went to a lot of antique shops. I still go to antique shops all the time, but it has a new meaning now that I have ancient coins. Antique is not really antique. It's just a few years old. Yeah, that's antique. I know. And so they're in these cases, MGC cases. What do these cases like, you know, a lot of our listeners are card collectors, your card collector, you know, comparable to those like grading authenticity. What are these cases doing for the cards? I mean, I see the names and things, but what is this? An authentication case is a grading case. So it's a grading case. MGC is a new, automatic guarantee corporation. They've been around for a long time. It had been working in coins. They are really the primary greater when it comes to ancients. There's not really any competition in that. But they use a pretty understandable grading scale one through five and almost baseball card-esque grades. And so they they have probably a handful of some of the smartest people in ancient coins in the world. And they go through and look at and identify and validate what they believe to be authentic and then put in the slab. They do not guarantee authenticity, but we trust we know because we have experience that this is a good way to collect those coins, especially if you have concerns about buying something. If you work in university maintenance, Granger considers you an MVP, because your playbook ensures your arena is always ready for tip-off. And Granger is your trusted partner offering the products you need all in one place from HVAC and plumbing supplies to lighting and more and all delivered with plenty of time left on the clock. So your team always gets the win. Call 1-800-GRANJER-VISIT-GRANJER.COM or just out by Granger for the ones who get it done. When you manage procurement for multiple facilities, every order matters. But when it's for a hospital system, they matter even more. Granger gets it and knows there's no time for managing multiple suppliers and no room for shipping delays. That's why Granger offers millions of products and fast, dependable delivery. So you can keep your facilities stocked, safe, and running smoothly. Call 1-800-GRANJER-VISIT-GRANJER.COM or just stop by. Granger for the ones who get it done. That might be counterfeit. How much does this kind of grading cost on the coin? I think if you went directly to NGC just as an average guy, I think it's like 70 bucks. I think there might be less if you reduce what the ask is, if you want just a simple grenade or whatever, I think it might be half of that. So it's a affordable way to put a coin in a slab. I don't know what baseball cards are like for grading. How much that costs? I have 25 to thousands. It depends on the value of the card and the speed with which you want it. Yeah, that's right. That's kind of what it comes down to. So it sounds like fairly comparable. This is fascinating to me how you said maybe 50 bucks each. But from 330, almost that there were coins worth more than that. They're like 50, 60, 75 years old. What determines the value of these things? Well, the interesting thing about American coins is you know the exact vintage. That's all documented and understood. A lot less understandable in ancient times. They didn't keep as detailed the records. But to me, again, I think you and I have kind of the same thought process around it. If an American coin from 1804 is worth $10 million, why isn't it going with Julius Caesar's face on it, which there are? We're at $10 million. And that's part of the reason because I know collectibles. I know how expensive they can get based on rarity and demand. And I feel like these coins are a valuable collectible. Yeah. Is it? How many of these are there? I mean, are there just more than I realize of these like widows might? Oh, yeah. So like the widows might, you know, is a common coin to the tunes of a lot of I mean, there's there's probably hundreds of thousands of them. There's a lot of them. Yeah. And so, you know, it's not impossible to think that as many people have wanted one, could have one. All right. Yeah. And so it's not so scarce. And that's why they're relatively affordable. Okay. Is that the tag of all three of these fairly much? Are they all sort of like? Yeah, I would say hundreds of thousands of each. Yeah. I mean, how did they press that many back in that day? That's like an impressive like, you know, minting back in the day. It's I mean, they had, I mean, they had the actual mentors and then slaves, right? And so that would probably help get a lot of the work done, you know, when you weren't necessarily interested in doing it. Yeah. But yeah, no, I mean, they minted bronze coins like it was going out of style. I mean, there are bulk coins that you combine bronze, you can buy ungraded unidentified ancient coins that you can, you know, clean up and take a look at. So there, there is a lot of bronze ancient coins and there's a lot of silver. So, I've been for my people mind, walk me through how old the oldest coin I'm holding is. How many thousand, how many year old is it from now? So Alexander the great, you have a bronze of his coin. So he ruled from 336 BC to 323 BC. So that would be what 20, 24, 100 years ago. I have to, I wanted you to say it out loud, Dean, because like I want our audience to sort of take a pause. You're listening to a podcast. This is a long form. We've got your attention, hopefully. You know, it's in a short video. I want you to think about like literally 2,400 plus years ago. It's hard for me to, you know, and I think about, okay, I'm 48, okay, I'm 2400 years ago. I mean, unbelievable. I think we're so sophisticated. We're doing these things and we are in technology crazy. AI is great, but they were minting some coins 2400 years ago. The Greeks, you know, obviously people will know a lot about ancient Greece or know something about ancient Greece that some of the artwork is, you know, masterful and beautiful. Well, they translate it onto coins. Yeah. Some of the coins from ancient Greece from as far back as 600 BC and newer are artistic and beautiful. They have faces of emperors, faces are faces of kings, faces of animals, faces of gods. They're absolutely works of art. And to me, just absolutely beautiful. And a lot of times, I think people think that we come from a point in the world where everything before us was less, that people, the technology, the understanding of the world, the management of things like this, was less. But actually, if you look at ancient coins from beginning to modern, the coins got worse over time. The coins from the beginning in ancient Greece and ancient Rome are beautiful, ancient Persia. But as you go into the late Roman period and into the dark ages and medieval times, they're just little flat and pieces of silver with very little detail and very little artistry to them. So it's almost like you go from a very fantastic, you know, kind of manufacturing point to a really not good one to back to where we are now. It's kind of a lesson in how the world has worked over time. It's fascinating to me how, you know, things like you just said, the story, the rulers, the historical moments matter more than just condition and scarcity, you know. And, I mean, value is another thing. But it's the amount of history involved in some of these things that went into what created, you know, the value system at the time, the rulers at the time, the structure of the time. And you know, we put this, you know, I always, you know, my reference is baseball cards, you know, and it's a sport or football cards or basketball, you know, like trading cards, sports trading cards. And it matters. But not quite as great as the history of the moment and the time in on earth as these. And so it's obviously to me, that's my, I mean, if everybody does and has more interest, but it goes, it's almost validates some of my own belief, which is just, you know, sporting and past time stuff holds a special place in our heart. You know, absolutely. Interesting. But yeah, well, I will tell you that you, you can be a sports fan in an ancient coin collector as well, because there's a lot of sports themes. The ancient Greeks were very serious about their, their Olympics and their athletes. I actually brought this out. It's not going to come out very well. But do you see what's on there? This is true. Yes, that looks like. Is that wrestlers? Yes, it is. So that's from 400 or the fourth century BC, 300s BC, from a city state in Greek, or in Greece, where they were so proud of their Olympic wrestlers or their wrestlers that they put them on all of their coins. On the reverse side, their other athletes were slingers. And so they were so proud of, they have both sides of their coin dedicated to sport. There are, I don't know, I can't think of the name and I'm really just pointing myself. Ancient Romans and ancient Greeks used a certain type of boxing glove that was actually a lead bar over their knuckles. And then they covered that. And I can't think of the name of it. But there are coins with that on there. So you can actually hold the piece of boxing history from 2,300 years ago that is a ancestor of what we watch now in fighting. So if you like sports or if you like music, there's music instruments like a quid throw, which is a predecessor to the guitar. There are a lot of different avenues in ancient coins that you can collect and have interest in even sport. Was Russell Crowe? Oh, the coin. The gladiator. Russell Crowe. Was he gladiator? One of them. So he was a meet-up character. But you can actually get a coin of Marcus Aurelius, Comedist, Sarmicisters, very affordable. I enjoy this. I know it's a glamorize for Hollywood and everything. But there is some brutality to all of it. I'm sure it was probably less sophisticated than maybe. But is it to the death or are we just wrestling for a pin? Yeah, that's a whole other interesting area of kind of. But yeah, for sure. There are gladiators that there's a whole story behind that there are, I would consider, I think it's glamorized to make it seem like they fought to the death every time. You think of them like prize fighters, right? I mean, if you're most expensive, most talented guy got killed in the ring, you'd be pretty upset, right? And so would people who follow him. So less often than not, did somebody die in the arena because they didn't want to lose their investment or maybe if the emperor said, hey, what's that he probably would. Right. Probably with Dean Kinzer, he's the founder of Kinzer Coins. Let's talk Providence authenticity trust. How do we and how our is trust built with collectors in this space? Well, I think in my personal opinion, the slabs help out a lot because they've those coins have been inspected and validated for grading and for as best as they know authenticity. So I feel good about that. I actually know a handful of the graders. They're very talented, very smart guys. Ancient coin collecting has been around since ancient times. Agustus was an ancient coin collector, but also what's John Quincy Adams was an ancient coin collector. You can get coins from his collections if you if you get lucky at the right time. And so there's enough history to understand what was minted, how it was minted. And so a person can look at these coins and say, this is authentic. This is from the time this represents the kind of imagery that they have. And the method, you know, the hammering, the strike, the silver, the content further assist that in its validation. So there is a strong trust in the authenticity of these coins. The key is buying them from the right person. So as a dealer, I believe so much in the authenticity of my coins that at any point you buy it from me six months, sell it to the next guy. I guarantee authenticity all the way through. So until the coin until I pass away, that's how serious I am about what I believe. And really good dealers will do that. People that don't necessarily do that, I would caution or stay away from. But this level of understanding about ancient coins has been going on. They've been collecting them in Europe since the Middle Ages and before. There's records of that. So very, very well understood, very well documented hobby that is prone to fakes, right? It's the first coin that was minted. It was probably the next day that the first counterfeit was minted. I'm trying copy that store of wealth. And so there was a there's always been counterfeiting. You can actually collect counterfeit coins from the era. Contemporary for it. That's a layer. Yes, so they'll be like they'll look silver, but they'll have something different on the inside and you can kind of peel them apart to see. So you can collect contemporary forgeries. And then obviously they still mint forgeries and people outside of what they're supposed to be doing. But a great way to protect yourself against that kind of stuff is learn, connect to a community and talk to dealers who are protect their product all the way through its lifespan. Provenants, you mentioned I didn't add that in. A lot of these coins have provenances back into the 1800s. A lot of the ownership is tied to that. And I think JP Morgan was also a collector of ancient coins. His collection I think is in a number of libraries and museums and stuff. But that's the kind of person. That's the kind of person that was interested in those at those time. So every time it went to auction, it was documented. So you can you can have coins that have provenances way back into the 1800s documented or into the 1900s where there's actual photos of the coins being sold at auction. So their provenance adds a lot. And a lot of times the person that owned it are as interesting as the coin itself. I just sold a Marcus Aralius to somebody who was it was a provenance was owned by a gentleman who worked on the redistribution of German property and material after World War II. He was a judge. So he was kind of dibbing up Nazi stuff that they had taken. So this guy was an ancient coin collector too. And so his provenance is really neat because that's an important person in history beyond just the coin itself. That's interesting. I mean it makes well. So we talked about selling that coin. If you don't mind sharing Dean, like what's your favorite coin or most valuable coin? Would it surprise us? No, it's pretty run in the mill. So if you give me one minute, I'll talk you through the story. All right. So Romans took their coinage really from the Carthaginians and the Greeks. They took their designs and all that kind of stuff. One of the things the Romans were very anti was anti-king. They had kings at the beginning of their existence in 753 BC onto about 500. And they threw them out. They were done with them. They would not have kings. And so they kind of adopted early on that they would not put a live human person on the front side of their coin absolutely against the rules because that spot is reserved for gods. And the reverse is generally dedicated to whatever kind of propaganda they have or were winning or whatever. But the Overs never had a human being on it that was a live person because they felt like that was a representation that belonged to the gods. Fast forward, lots of stuff transpired. We get to a gentleman that we all know by the name of Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar crosses the Rubicon, enters Rome, defeats a bunch of his enemies all across the Mediterranean, comes back in 45 BC towards the end of 45 BC and into 44 BC. He begins minting coins. And he has minted coins in the past. They've had elephants on the Overs. They've had gods, Venus, all these kinds of people on the coins. But he decides to put his face on the coin. And not only that, along with his face on the coin, he puts an inscription. He was made dictator for life by the senate. So you have a face of Julius Caesar surrounded by the words dictator for life. So what do you think that meant to people who were Romans, right? This guy's representative himself as a god. This guy is thinking that he's above the republic. And a lot of people feel like doing that is a leading or a part of a reason why he got killed. And there's even articles about the coins that killed Caesar. So I love personally any portrait of Julius Caesar because that's a definitive marking point in history. Because after that, all of the emperors had their face on coinage. So that all of the emperors followed his suit. And that really changed the dynamic of coinage, right? After that, everybody did it. And that was very common practice. So a big demarcation, a coin that's very important. But also, I would say still pretty affordable, still pretty affordable for what it is. I mean, you're in the thousands and then nice ones go way up from that. But I can think of a handful of cards off the top of my head that are in that price range. And I kind of weigh it out in my head, which is more important, which one means more to me. So that's kind of the takeaway from that. But that's definitely my favorite coin. That's a good story. And for some reason, I was thinking if he's a dictator for life, all the other emperors have no clothes. I don't know why it was like, as the saying goes, I don't know why that hit her in my head. But nonetheless, I'll put their heads. That's right until it was his turn, unfortunately. The dictator for life. I don't know if I would go over these days. No, that was. The sun shining birds are singing and all feels right in the world. Until the season changes and suddenly you lose your motivation to get out of bed. In fact, one in five people experience some form of depression no matter the season or time of year. At the American Psychiatric Association Foundation, our vision is to build a mentally healthy nation for all because we want you to live your best life and be your best you all year round. Please visit mentallyhealthynation.org to learn more. What's your priority, Dean? I mean, in the industry. Obviously, you're collecting and you're selling and you're doing these things. What becomes a tipping point for coins? I mean, obviously, hey, I'm going to collect your nation. We're getting the word out, baby. But that's just a good start. But in all seriousness, what do you think unlocks that? Is it just another mega star getting into it and Logan Paul deciding he's interested or is having another heart? But what is that tipping point? I am trying. I mean, I've tried a bunch of different ways. I don't know if you saw, but my friend was on Sean Ryan's podcast. He gave coins to Sean Ryan. So I feel like I've done some navigating through. I think it'll be a combination of things. But I think that this is a thing that people need to pay attention to. Ancient history is not really a subject that's really well covered in American schools. It leaves a lot of blanks thinking that our history starts at 1776 and that there's not a lot that can be gained besides that. And I feel like there is so much that you can learn these coins were minted by people 2,000 years ago. And you're being able to read their message. They're telling you something. They're telling you why you should look at them, why it's important, why you should know about them. Those are important messages. And they've experienced, they experienced over time a lot of the trials and tribulations that we still experience today. And I think a lot can be learned from that. And I cannot imagine, you know, I mean, I can't go to the Coliseum in Rome and chip off a piece of it and bring it back and say, hey, I got this piece of the Coliseum. But you can buy a coin. You know, I mean, you can own a piece from the time period. And really, I mean, the most fun comes from, you know, when people like our huge fans of Marcus Aurelius, there's a stoicism is a big thing, you know, and people care very much about that. But a lot of times people will buy a coin from me. We'll put it in appended so it doesn't get damaged. They'll wear it. And you can't imagine the number of questions and interest people get where like, what is that? Is that Marcus Aurelius? Yeah, this is a coin from his lifetime. And think about the stories you can share with people about that. That's such an ad that's a re-side of it. You're putting these coins into jewelry. That could possibly be something that unlocks it a little bit. Because I mean, how cool would that be? I mean, I didn't think about some of these pieces. You know, like you sent me, like if you had a necklace or something with, I mean, you know, and literally can point to it because I mean, people buy jewelry that's, you know, this crap for $350 bucks. I mean, you get a $2, you know, like plated chain or something and put in one of these 50 BC widow's mites. It'd be great. It's a powerful story, right? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So I know you do the ancient coin hour talk about that. So just kind of my overall package is really, you know, teaching people, right? Because I think that's the biggest barrier for people is anxiety. They don't know anything about it. They're not well versed in the Roman Empire, so they don't know a lot of these emperors. All of my, you know, social media, all of my effort is towards the education of people towards these. So you can understand and see how it relates to today. Yeah. Yeah. The ancient coin hour is just a podcast with me and my friend. He's actually a numismatist slash opera singer. He's actually one of gang planning for doing that. His name's Josh Benavento, but we basically, both him and I have worked in this area for a long time. We know kind of the people, the people you can trust, the people you can buy from, and what we look for, what we understand about the hobby and where it's going. So it's purely educational. We don't sponsor it. We don't do any of that kind of stuff. It's just two ancient coin guys talking about what we think is safe. What we think is a good place for people to start collecting. And we try to encourage people to participate so we can help them along their journey. And that's really the whole mission. I love it. Talk to me as we close out here, Dean. If someone's wanting to get started in coin collecting, what's something palatable like a good way to start? And, you know, obviously education will tell them the go listen to the ancient coin hour for that and follow Dean and everything he's doing. But how does someone sort of test the waters here? Well, so in my page specifically, and I'm not advocating that you just buy from me, but in my page specifically, I have a collection called I'm New to Ancients. And it's really kind of what I sent you, which are kind of the entry points, right? You know, after you do a little bit of reading and a little bit of research, grab a constant LRB that's 40 bucks in a slab. And see what you think of it. See if it's something that's powerful to you. Late Roman Bronze is there's a ton of those. It's not a huge expenditure. It's not a huge risk. It's not buying a $5,000 coin and hoping. It's a fairly common coin that's very affordable in a case that you feel like makes you very secure about the purchase, which I totally agree with. So late Roman Bronze are very affordable, very interesting. There's a ton of really affordable coins that I think people would get a great kick out of. But yeah, so you know, look up Constantine the Great, look up Julie in the second, look up some of the Emperor's from the third century or the fourth century, very affordable and even ones that we talked about earlier, like Commodus is a affordable emperor, mostly because his name comes comes from Komode or whatever. But yeah, very affordable and reach out, become a part of the community, right? There's tons of groups, there's tons of clubs just like with baseball cards. And we certainly welcome new members because we think this is a very important hobby. I enjoyed this Dean. Maybe drop the locations for where they can find everything, find you online, etc. So on also some media, I'm at Kinser Coins. I do spend I post probably one to three times a day, some kind of educational content. So you can learn a little bit the ancient coin hour on YouTube and then Kinser Coins.com. And I recommend I have a frequently asked questions page. I have the specifics or NGC grading, all kinds of information to make you feel more comfortable about making that that plunge. But I really think it's worth a worthwhile plunge and I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think it was. Dean, really appreciate your time and look forward to continuing our connection, appreciate your willingness to send the coins here. We'll have pictures of these on social and all the videos and stuff. And thank you so much. Yeah, hopefully next time or we can talk about a little bit of baseball cards. Yeah, let's do that. We'll make it a regular Dean. I enjoyed having you, real spoken and fun interview. I'm this learning. So I'm I'm asking questions that I think people would have. So I think we'll we'll get people started. So thank you for coming on. You know where to find us, thecollectorNation.com. You'll find the full episode here links to all of Dean's stuff. And of course, links to the app and everything we have going on behind the scenes. If someone adds their first ancient coin to their collection after hearing this episode, what do you hope they look for? Not just on the coin, but in the story behind it, Dean. What do I hope they yeah behind it? What do you hope it for? Let me be like two words like what are we hoping for? Once they get going. I probably holy s word, right? Yeah, you know, I think if you get one, it's it's such a mind blowing experience, right? And I think to hold something that old and to know what it's gone through, how many hands it's held been held by, you know, it's just a it's kind of an enlightening experience that I feel like, you know, it's a holy moment, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, I love it. There you go. We'll see you next time on Clector Nation. Thanks for tuning into the show. Be sure to follow us on your go-to podcast platform and catch the full video episode over on YouTube. Visit us at collectornation.com and follow Ryan on Instagram at RyanAlford. 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