Giggling about bird theory, boyfriend olympics, and justice
55 min
•Apr 7, 202612 days agoSummary
Hannah and Desus discuss relationship dynamics, dating standards, and media analysis including the Lamar Odom documentary and Love on the Spectrum. They reflect on perfectionism in their 20s versus 30s, the importance of humor and compatibility in partnerships, and host an Easter gathering that becomes a case study in event hosting and social dynamics.
Insights
- Perfectionism in your 20s creates anxiety around mistakes, but entering your 30s with accumulated experience removes fear of failure and provides actual answers to life problems
- Genuine compatibility in relationships is less about shared interests and more about shared sense of humor and willingness to make fun of each other
- Women strategically weaponize rumors and social dynamics more effectively than men because they conduct research and layer narratives, making false accusations harder to counter
- The 'bird theory' (partner acknowledging your observations) serves as a proxy for emotional attunement and relationship longevity
- Hosting events successfully requires strategic feng shui, clear role boundaries, and the ability to exit conversations gracefully using plausible excuses
Trends
Dating show audiences increasingly value direct communication and genuine interest-based compatibility over traditional attractiveness metricsGenerational shift: younger women prioritizing authenticity and honest feedback in relationships over traditional gender role performanceMedia narrative bias: Kardashian family members receive disproportionate blame for relationship failures despite evidence of partner infidelity and addictionWorkplace bullying dynamics differ significantly by gender, with women using information-based social strategies versus men using direct confrontationReality TV and documentary formats driving cultural reassessment of previously vilified figures and family dynamics
Topics
Relationship compatibility and communication stylesDating standards and partner selection criteriaPerfectionism and personal development across life stagesEvent hosting and social dynamics managementDocumentary analysis and media narrative biasGender dynamics in workplace and relationship contextsHumor as relationship foundationAuthenticity versus performance in datingFamily dynamics and holiday traditionsEmotional labor in relationshipsSocial media and reputation managementReality television and documentary cultureGenerational differences in relationship expectationsVulnerability and emotional intimacySports culture and masculine identity
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People
Lamar Odom
Subject of documentary analyzed for relationship dynamics and substance abuse issues
Khloé Kardashian
Discussed as example of woman protecting unfaithful partner and receiving undeserved blame
Logan
Featured on Love on the Spectrum, praised for emotional authenticity and growth
Jason Bateman
Mentioned as star of Ozark, compared to Jennifer Aniston for consistent character portrayal
David Harbour
Co-star of Ozark, subject of humorous comparison to Lily Allen
Jessica Simpson
Discussed for business acumen in footwear and beauty product lines despite media portrayal
Quotes
"If your partner says hey look at this like hey look at that bird outside the window and if you don't look the statistics of you guys staying together dwindle."
Hannah Berner•Bird theory discussion
"I didn't date a smart man till death so just remember that. And he's like really smart. Does? Like apparently, like sometimes he knows things and you shouldn't know that stuff."
Hannah Berner•Relationship dynamics
"The relationships that have made me felt the worst are the ones where I'm like being myself and they don't acknowledge it or reciprocate it."
Hannah Berner•Relationship standards
"I'm looking around the apartment after he'd taken all his stuff away and I realized everything in the apartment was mine. The art the books the furniture the stuff I bought for my kids. Was he ever there."
Audiobook narrator (Strangers)•Documentary discussion
"These men want to be them they want their lifestyle but then they realize they can't actually put in the work to live their lifestyle."
Hannah Berner•Lamar Odom documentary analysis
Full Transcript
Saving Seekers, we hear you! Hello my god-bagool giglers, we had an incredible family weekend. This was our first holiday together. My family wasn't there. But I'm just saying like in terms of us. I feel like every day is a holiday with you. That's true. But how'd I do? You did amazing. I didn't get a good photo of my outfit so I didn't want to post it because look you guys if I get the wrong angle I didn't want you guys to get the wrong impression and you posted like the country's video perfect lighting and I didn't want people comparing me. Right. So I said I'm gonna just explain it with my words. But yeah, white capris which by the way- I love a capris. It was on my period. Wow. But it was Easter. So you were- And I said Christ has my back today. If there's any day he's looking out for me it's today. And I wore my granny panties. My tampaks. This is actually so bad especially for the like sustainable girls. But like I'll just flow and then throw that underwear away. That's what Amazon's for. Yeah like I'm just always ordering underwear and you know what? I don't care. Can I say where I am in my marriage? Hannah arrived somewhere early and I was like are you okay? Are you still married? The only explanation I could think is like she's fighting with Taz. And I was like no I'm literally on the phone with him talking about his knee right now. So I'm- you're on your period you know it's reckless and whenever you go to the bathroom it's a whole thing. And when Des and I are in a heavy you know gossip discussion you can't lose momentum and I was like really quickly I have to change my- I'm in the bathroom unplugging myself. And he came in. And he's in this bathroom. Eye contact with me as I'm unplugging and putting it back in and then in a moment I was like- He's feminist. Like he's a supportive king. He's literally handing me the tampon. He was like do you need me to wrap toilet paper around it? And another thing. No, his eyes did not move from eye contact. And I was like oh my god he loves me for me. No being able to gossip with your partner is like really important. Very important. Like if they don't- even if they don't care about what you're saying it's really important that they pretend. My favorite is when Des- cause Des is honest with me sometimes he's like the story is taking too long it better be worth it. Yeah, wrap it up lay on the plane. I feel pressure and then when I do have a crazy ending to a gossip story and I'm like never doubt me again. Cause I like details. I like building it up. I like you thinking this isn't going anywhere. Have you heard of the bird theory? Yes, I love- the bird theory is very important. I think it's extremely true. Do you want to explain? If you haven't heard of it it's if your partner says hey look at this like hey look at that bird outside the window and if you don't look the statistics of you guys staying together dwindle. Shout out to Love on the Spectrum the best show on television right now. Did you watch it? I'm watching it. You're watching it? I'm only like three episodes in but I'm like- Logan. Which one is he? With the curly hair. That were the velvet suit? Yes. I love him so much. What do you realize? No, when he said you know what? I don't need curvy haired girls to be happy. Curvy haired girls to be happy. Nobody kept saying curvy. But that's literally every man I've ever met. When they're younger they think they only like a certain type of girl and then they like meet a girl who isn't like that and they're like wait I made it up in my head what I like. This one girl goes on a date, this Mormon girl, with a very cute man. Like very cute. The second I saw him I was like I'm good, he's good, let's do this. And at the end she was like I think we should just be friends, you remind me of my dad. And in that moment I said she has valent points but I was like but you just met this guy, like you've never been on a date before, this guy's cute and that's me being a little bit that vapid and shallow which I have been in the past. I didn't date a smart man till death so just remember that. And he's like really smart. Does? Like apparently, like sometimes he knows things and you shouldn't know that stuff. I was kind of annoyed, not annoyed with her but I was like okay I feel like you have two eggs in one basket whatever the quote is. The next date she meets a guy who does the impression she likes, he's really handsome, she's laughing the whole time and I said we can learn from that. She said no to something that she knew she could have done. If I told you, if you said no to something that you're kind of accepting right now and there was something so beautiful on the other side of it, wouldn't you say no immediately? And that's what we can learn from them because they're so honest, they can't fake it. We'll lie to ourselves. You'll be like no this guy's good enough, this is what I need right now. What if I told you your dreams were on the other side? Yeah. That would be a good mental health moment to start off the pod. But also their dates are literally asking each other their favorite colors, their favorite hobbies and if they don't have the same hobbies it's like let's move on. It's the first time I've seen a man ask a question on a date. And I've watched a lot of dating shows before. I'm like this is the first time they're interested. No I'm actually watching and I turned it to Des and I'm like you've never done that. The level of romance that these guys are bringing to the table is incredible. And I like that they know instantly. Like nope not for me. The relationships that have made me felt the worst are the ones where I'm like being myself and they don't acknowledge it or reciprocate it. Don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Like not in a joking way. But when you say something earnestly that interests you and they literally could not give a fuck. Did you watch the Lamar Odom doc? Girl. Wait why did I feel like I liked him less after? Like I went in being like he's feeling bad for him. Okay. And then I was like oh no. When I was watching it I actually got so mad because I was like why aren't more people talking about this like justice for the Kardashians. It was so evident. I mean he said it. No one wants to say justice for the Kardashians. People would rather do anything than say justice for the Kardashians. It was so evident when he I mean he said it himself he was like I married her because I knew it would better my life. I knew I wanted to live the way she lived. Which if a girl ever said that they'd be like you gold digging motherfucker. Because the whole rhetoric for years has been any guy that dates one of the Kardashians like their career falls they like go crazy whatever. I would argue the Kardashians they're trying to fix these men and then they can't because you can't fix a man. Well it's so obvious that all of these men get with these women because of how disciplined they are how successful they are and also you cannot be successful without being disciplined. So all of these guys that they've dated and have married that become drug addicts like yeah they're not drug addicts so you're not going to become successful. I literally saw him say I saw her lifestyle and I realized that's the kind of lifestyle I want to live. And none of them could oh my god if I had a frickin nickel. These men want to. I'm going to say frickin. These men want to be them they want their lifestyle but then they realize they can't actually put in the work to live their lifestyle. And then because Chloe loves him she goes above and beyond to protect him. Protect this man as he embarrasses himself and her she still sticks by him. But yet she gets the hate of like well why would you protect him. And suddenly he's the hero where everyone's like justice for Lamar like save Lamar and then everyone's like fuck Chloe. Well she's the one teaching her how to speak again. I didn't realize that she was only 24 when they got married. I didn't realize that either. Something hurt me in my heart. Yeah. You know she always called him Lami. Yeah. I thought it was so cute. When he said it was weird. He goes it was weird she called me that I said what. How about she didn't want to do the spin off and he wanted to do it. Oh my god. She misses like he loved the camera. No these men that are so fame hungry. I thought our interviews were so honest. I love her. And just like not. Yeah. It's such a good mom and friend and she just seems so nice. What about the part where she said his dad came in and was like pulled the plug because he wanted the life insurance money and she was like what do you want. And he wanted a pair of sneakers in a hotel room and she was like here and I get the fuck out of here. How in that alone. You don't realize how like selfish some of these men are especially at the end when even like his kid was like I realized that my dad is like my son sometimes and he hasn't developed and stuff. I had no idea he has a full family. A full family. How about the kids being like no we're not coming to your wedding to be pawns. Yeah. Like to make you look good on a TV show when you're never around. I gave his daughter a lot of credit. And they love but they love villainizing the Kardashians a lot of time. Like what did she do. Like if you what. No they just were like what did Chloe do to him. Right. That was what they always said you don't think she did to him. And stay in the hospital for him. I didn't realize even when they got out of the hospital he lived with her and she like rehabilitated him and then she caught him doing drugs again. Like she was like you have the aware with all enough to get a phone contact a drug dealer and get drugs. Like whenever men say like oh well we're just men we don't think of these little details. That's a great example. Well you figured out how to get a phone and contact any drug dealer. I'm also still I was going to say reading the audiobook of strangers which I don't know if you should you'd be so pissed like you'd like punch a wall and break a nail which I don't want that for you. But she has this like Gwyneth Paltrow waspy monotone voice that is really good to play right before you go to sleep. So I was playing it last night. She's heartbroken by this marriage of 20 years that fell is fell apart and he just walked out for no reason. And there's more tea to it obviously which I recommend you listen on your own. But she said something incredible. She goes I'm looking around the apartment after he'd taken all his stuff away and she goes and I'd been reminded of him in so many ways and how our lives intertwined together. And then I looked around and I realized everything in the apartment was mine. The art the books the furniture the stuff I bought for my kids. She goes was he ever there. I just got chills. There's nothing. Okay. One of my this is so page coded to one of my like things that make will make me infuriated is like when we break up don't keep wearing the clothes that I picked out like that was a persona I gave you stop wearing the clothes I picked out and bought an acting like you put that outfit together enough with you like truly enough. I but shout out to my husband who I love dearly. We are having a little bit of a fight because we're really not you know this middle spring weather where it's like hot and then it's cold. You guys aren't aligned yesterday I was watching TV and suddenly I got like overstimulated and I'm like it's fucking 100 degrees. He's like what are you talking about and I'm like I'm it's hell. I'm living in hell right now and he's like what are you talking about and I go what is the temperature and I go and this motherfucker has an un-s Celsius because he's trying to confuse me. That's I would but you know my thing is I don't give a fuck what number is I know I wanted at 21 and he keeps moving into 24. I don't know what 24 means but I know it's too hot. So then I go and I see it's at 24 when I know I put it at 21 earlier in the day. So I go up to him I said yes sneaky sneaky sneak and he starts laughing he goes you don't even know what 24 is and I go I don't care. What is it? I don't know. Wait I need to know. He's putting it at 24 Celsius. Wait Nana I need to know. What is 24 Celsius because whatever it is it's too hot. What is 24? And then I put it to 21 and then I come back and he's so dramatic he puts on. 75? No. Okay that's what so then I put it to I put it to 22 and then he I come back in the room he thinks he's funny he puts on a coat and he puts on because he says I'm freezing out. Oh he'd hate my house. So this is my thing I can't sleep in the heat like that. So we're in this like war where I keep changing it and he keeps changing it and I keep changing it and he keeps changing it and pray for us. If it's over 70 I'm pre-menopausal. I think like I can't I literally I'm like I'll freak out I'm like I'm having a hot flash like I know in the middle of just watching TV I go I can't do this anymore. Well you know what happened to me I saw one time somewhere that someone said it's really good for your skin to sleep in 65 degree weather at night and so I'm 65. Yep and I'm a sweaty person. Maybe okay if I'm going to bed I'm putting it at 65 when I wake up maybe I'm pressing it up to 68 if it's a really cold day I'm going 70 but my home is never over 70 degrees. And that's how I want an Italian's home to be cold perfectly cleaned smells like Lysol. I love when we're out to eat and you say those dangerous words can I say one more thing. We'll literally talk for hours and that's why I'm so excited that bottomless apps are back for 999 at Buffalo Wild Wings and you know what that means. What does it mean? Bottomless the apps. Wait that's really cute. I know. And there's nothing we love more than talking about something that happened 10 years ago and just like recalibrating it getting new information. This literally happened yesterday I was like hey can I bring up this story that I've brought up too many times and you said that's what I'm here for. Yeah look at it from a new perspective I'm 33 now. Also I hate when you're like yapping and then you run out of food and you're yapping goes past you're yapping Buffalo Wild Wings their mozzarella sticks and their fried pickles are perfect. But at Buffalo Wild Wings they call it Mott's sticks which makes it even cuter. Cute. Before I let you eat the stick I need to make sure that it it pulls apart. It pulls apart the right way so let's see let's watch we got the camera. Yes honey. Yeah. Wait that looks so good. Sweet. Get out. Wait I need. Ugh. Like I'm sorry fried cheese yeah. Never misses. Ever. Like our conversations always hits. Now have you ever had a fried pickle before? I have. Fried pickles I think are for the girls. I love that you just immediately went for the sauce you didn't even think twice. Oh wow. Oh wow. A little kick. A little kick. If I'm going out to eat and someone says let's just do apps and share a bunch you're my friend for life. No one's someone's like could we just throw in one more app. Throw it in. Let's add one more thing to the conversation and one more app. Bottomless apps for $9.99 or back at Buffalo Wild Wings. Hell yeah. Okay let's talk some more but this time over some onion rings and chips and salsa. So crispy. Don't get me started with the chip and a salsa. We never get bored about making the same jokes because like if a joke works it's a classic. So I'm going to do it to everyone I know. Even if they're not even in on the joke. It's like an outfit if you haven't worn it in front of certain people that's a new outfit. And if they don't get it you go sorry you had to be there. You win every time. Yeah you know sometimes I go onion ring over fries. That's like your freaky side coming out. Also onions are a vegetable. Salsa's a salad. This is a bowl of salad. This is really good like the seasoning to the chef. There's so many good things about Buffalo Wild Wings besides just the wings. Right. And lastly I ordered the hatch queso and more fried pickles for you. Thank you so much. You know what I love something mini. So like when there's a mini pickle. Adorable. I'm like adorable. Get in my mouth. I could drink that. Like soda. Chug it. We also never get sick of making fun of each other. I'll make the same jokes about your small little fingers. I mean you're thin. Yeah how dare you. You're smelfing. Gorgeous fingers. And I like making fun of you about just like any shoe choice. Or just any choice. Whether it's a girls night or a double date there's always a reason to go to Buffalo Wild Wings. Bottomless apps for $9.99 are back at Buffalo Wild Wings. Limited time. Dine in only. See web or app for details. Can I be hypocrite for a second? Sure. I'm really enjoying this show that does recommend it. Now Des and I also don't. It's hard for us to align on a show that we both love on the spectrum. That's like our thing. DTF St. Louis. Yeah. When Des first brought this up to me I said this sounds like a local cop show. My brother told me to watch it. I said I don't like the title. It sounds stupid. It's on HBO. I said okay. Jason Bateman and then David Harbour who. T I love Jason Bateman. I love his humor. Jason Bateman is always playing Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman is the Jennifer. Aniston. Aniston. Of men. Yes. But I love how I've been literally saying does David Harbour mean nothing to you? No. Lily Allen. Oh Lily Allen. I go does it mean nothing to you? Wow he'd be so pissed to hear that sentence. Does David. Yeah. No. Lily Allen. But this is my thing. If the roles were reversed and Lily Allen had like cheated on him and like ruined their marriage whatever would she be starring in an HBO show like three months after the Well you have to remember that it was probably filmed before. Yes. So they're not airing it. I wonder if they like held it for it. But the only time I feel like people have standards on the internet is. With women. With women. Yeah standards is a strong word. It's more like projection. Yeah. Like nobody loves. A woman's wrong. More than a woman. More than a woman. No it's kind of crazy. Okay let's talk about my tablescape. Yeah I was waiting but anyway. We've done the niceties. Let's talk about my tablescape. Yeah. My mom. Not the non-gigglers are gone. No literally. Now that there's no non-gigglers. My mom was so proud of me. She I didn't tell her about the bunny chairs because I wanted her to be surprised and she was like very nice detail. I don't know how people host and also cook. Okay my mom. I don't know how people host also cook and then socialize. Thanksgiving is such a big deal for our family because we host a Thanksgiving Eve party which is now the count is up to like 50 people. So my mom. Is anyone who's who in Albany? It's the who's who of my dad's phone book. Okay it truly is. My mom has that catered. She has like bartenders but she stays up until everybody leaves. So at like 1 a.m. she's up. She's cleaning up from it. Then she wakes up the next morning at like 7 a.m. Starts Thanksgiving cooks all of Thanksgiving hosts another like 15 to 20 people. I was people got there at 10 a.m. I was exhausted by 11 30 page by 11 30. I was like okay let's wrap this up. Well when did you have it how did you set it up? Like what time in the morning? Tables and chairs got delivered at 8. So I decorated from like 8 to 9. And then I got ready from 9 to 10. And you got delivered at 9. You told us to come at 10 a.m. Which I thought was was early. Yes. It was early and Des and I got a little nervous. So I my alarm went off at 9. Felt like a middle of the night. I was I was it was Christmas morning. Dyson to my hair. Des was asking me about a shirt. We we were the first ones to arrive. You brought gifts. We brought gifts. You brought chocolate cover or chocolate bunnies. Yes chocolate bunnies some champagne. And I think the biggest revelation of the day was my dad falling in love with Des. I mean he offended you a couple times. My dad literally looked at Hannah and goes this guy's really funny. You should take him on tour. Hannah goes fuck you. Well he goes yeah you know Des and I just understand each other. Like they have their own little sense of humor. And I said Gary don't don't start with me right now. Don't start with me in this public gathering. But somebody at Easter came up to me and goes you have your dad's exact personality. I said how dare you how dare you come into my home and disrespect me like that. I go that guy's fucking out of his mind. They were like you look like your mom but you act like your dad. I was like get out. I'm the same way except I kind of look like my dad. But Des and I we were there to entertain. No my mom literally was like I feel like you hired Hannah. You hired two professional comedians to devil in small talk. And you guys were moving around. You were moving around the room. You were doing different jokes at different stations. Yes well people have different types of humor that we need. He was and I was telling him which stories to tell. I said Des tell this story about the time he's coming in. You guys were working off of each other. We worked. Hire Hannah and Des for your next bar. Bop mitzvah, speed 16. You had an alpha change into your pajamas. Yeah I had to. Everyone saw the look from every angle and then you went upstairs. It was like I have to take my heels off. Came back in gorgeous pajamas. Des and I left around I mean it was 10 we left at like two. Like four hours and when I tell you I didn't even pee during that time. I was yap yap yapping. I took a three hour nap. Hannah everyone was out by three. I fell asleep for like an hour. I woke up didn't know what planet I was on. I said and Des was like we were a hit. But it clearly was you took too much out of you. I woke up at 6 p.m. my mom's like hello you have a family happy Easter. No you guys did such good work. Well Kim afterwards was like you guys was so entertaining. You guys were so entertaining. I said thank you Kim that's all we wanted. No it was so fun. It was for Kim to be happy. But it was so fun because I felt like you made the perfect energy. The aura was so right. Thank you. You want to know what it was? My feng shui. Your feng shui was perfect. I felt like my feng shui everything worked. You rounded the corner you could go outside. There's drinks over here. I was really particular about the feng shui because I almost put the tables outside. But then I was like it might be too hot. What if it rains a little it's windy. So then I did it inside and I felt like it turned out. It was because it was never one place where people were too crowded. Do you enjoy hosting or was it just performative? Or both performative? Like are you like I actually like no I liked it because well Easter is fun because everything's like pink and baby blue and yellow. So I liked decorating for Easter. No I'll definitely like host more because it was fun. I don't like being stuck in a conversation for too long and when you're the host it's so easy to be like I have to go say hi to this person. I have to go check on the turkey. I have to run. I hope you can make up anything they'll believe you. Anything. Be like oh the croquettes. I'm going to start saying that when it doesn't even go. Oh sorry my croquettes are burning. At one point you had so many chachkies around the house. I literally was like you're about to be like bring out the dancing lobsters. It was so stimulating but so fun but also you had everything. Well then halfway into it I was like why the fuck didn't I hire an Easter bunny? Well Des was would have done it if we pushed him a little further. If I thought of it earlier I would have had him do it. Also holidays having like kids around makes it so much better. 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There was a moment where I was like I can't wait to have a daughter because there was a little girl at my Easter she's like four years old and I took my heels off at one point before I changed out of my dress just like popped my heels off and she looked at me and she goes um what about your heels? And I was like you know what? Fuck yeah. It was like hell yeah Georgina I need to put my goddamn heels back on this is a full outfit. Georgina fully bullied you at your own party. Yeah and with a name like that I expect you. She's got a hair on your pinkie toe. She's like gross. No Georgina is gorgeous and I love that name. Would read me to Phil. Yeah. I was trying to avoid her because I kind of don't want to. She was gonna tear me apart I was so scared of her. Talk about heels are women in STEM of the week. This is I don't have the username but now I like I'm on TikTok I'm like no that'd be a really good woman in STEM. You gotta write a tag. Because people started to tag the girls and be like did you know you were a woman in STEM of the week by Hannah Burner and they were like who is that and what's going on. Apparently there's this thing that says Jessica Simpson heels are the most comfortable heels in the game. Now I haven't bought them so I don't know and I don't want you guys just buying stuff without us testing it first but these girls are like I've worn these heels all day and I still feel good. So justice for Jessica Simpson. Trying to think if I still have any Jessica Simpson heels. Do you remember when she had her foot on all of our necks. Yeah. It's like we were. Is she a billionaire. She might be. I don't know but she do remember her edible lotion. Yes. That's what started. I feel like she was like one of she doesn't get enough credit for being one of the first celebrities to like have a shoe line have a like she did all of those things. She also is so naturally beautiful. I actually got fed on TikTok like her one of her music videos from like 2003 and when I was watching it I didn't remember it until like I was fully and I was like wait I do remember all of these scenes. I remember wanting to recreate that outfit like she was such a pivotal pop star. I chronic and it was at a time where like pretty women weren't allowed to be funny. So instead they were just like she's really dumb. She said dumb things but she was just like fucking with Nick. But in reality she's probably one of the smartest pop stars because she capitalized off of it so well. Yeah. Her just because she has everything they make jewelry they make bags. Yeah. Anywho we're big fans of her. Anyway I just just because I'm since she's going through a divorce so. Is she? I think she went through it. Yeah well she was with a hockey guy so obviously. Are you sure? Yeah I'm a hundred percent sure. Are you thinking of Carrie Underwood? I've never thought about Carrie Underwood in my life. It's never across my desk. And women's STEM of the week. Run her up. Yes. I follow all these pages about like vintage finds and stuff. It's funny that we have a woman of some of the week and then you added run her up as if we always had to run her up. We do. So she tells me like what to buy and stuff vintage online and she said you know it's the best thing to do for art. Go to thrift shops and buy kids art for like three dollars. She goes no one can tell it's kids art. Yeah. They all look like really modern and cool and I'm like that is so cool. Genius. So next time you see like kids art which is so sad though. I'm like what parent was like fuck my kids doodles. I'm selling them. Someone's trash is another woman's treasure. Not men just art. Yeah. Just art. Anyway any final thoughts on Easter. I want you to revel in this moment. I did a lot of really funny DMs from girls just being like okay love your look. It is giving Lego but I did and then I had this one girl. She's like I'm not trying to be mean but do you remember those candies when we were younger that came on like the piece of paper. Yes. And they were like the buttons. Yes. Yes. It's giving yellow like button candy. By the way those were so disgusting like it tastes like actual cardboard and we really loved it. You could taste like paper was still on it. I tasted the flavor like it tasted like yellow. Did you ever go through a phase where people said that you could eat the wrapper that gum comes in. Never mind. Okay that was that was just my middle school. Never mind actually I digress. I didn't either. You're like you neither. I mean neither. I really there were a lot of times I was like you can eat the paper. No you can't. I mean I've heard you could eat the shrimp tail. Okay. I would never. I do. I have been off shrimp for a couple of years. Really. I know the guy for the ocean. The meat of the ocean. Really. Yeah like I feel like I ate too much shrimp cocktail and then now I like really can't look at it. When were you exposed to so much shrimp cocktail that you couldn't do it anymore. Like I went through a phase where like if it was on the menu I was going to get as my appetite. And I feel like I got it like 50 times in a row and I just have. Also shrimp cocktails so cunty they're like this is going to be in a cocktail glass and we're only giving you four. Yeah and like cocktail sauce. Yeah with a little worcestershire. Yeah. How do you say it. Worcestershire. Worcestershire. Worcestershire. Kitty was so like I didn't tell her that we were having a party. Kitty was not happy. And so she was like okay like I wasn't aware that there was an assignment. Like so she was. Forgot to tell her. Yeah I didn't tell her. And so she's so my cat because when she hides she will only hide in my closet. The only place she feels comfortable is surrounded by YSL heels. You know and so she gets in like the corner of my closet. She was praying to Prada. No literally praying to Prada. She was like they'll never find me behind the long hanging dresses. And we did it. And I didn't. And then like when people left she crept out of my closet and I was like you gorgeous gorgeous girl. Kitty does love people I just want to like defend her. It's just kids energy like the kids were chasing her. And she was like okay like I don't want to be hunted down on a Sunday. She's like actually I don't want to wear a crown right now. It's the Lord's Day. The funniest thing about cats is they will literally the second they hear the door close of people leave that they don't like they come out. Yeah. They know exactly what's going on. She gets filled with energy. They know exactly who's leaving like they're like small doses with those people. She was like my mom's napping somewhere I must find her. Yes another documentary which is it's heavy. It's heavy and I don't want to I don't know how I'm going to say it without ruining what happened. By the way you guys these are documentaries I'm not giving away the ending they've happened already. Again but fast forward if you don't want to hear this it's a Netflix about untold Mora Wilson. Why do people who die? Why are they always the most spectacular people in the world? Well set the scene for us. She was a skier so and then she got injured so I felt connected to her. But she was like going to be professional. Her ACL became a biker. Of course she's like gorgeous funny probably does charity every day. Like she's perfect and she gets involved with a man. She's 25 again brain not fully formed. And the man has an on again off again girlfriend. And him and this girlfriend were known. People always said oh yeah the girl that he never introduced us to anyone. Which by the way I don't know if you've ever been that girl. I was that girl once with this guy who like thought he was the shit. Interesting. And in a group he like never introduced me. And I remember even and I'm vocal. Like never introduced you. Like when he was with his coworkers or whatever it was it was very like. You were there like invited you but wasn't like this is my girlfriend Hannah. Like they're just talking like and you're literally like oh I'm a plant. Like they are not treating you like you're human. And yes I was 25 at the time and yes I was like he was like important or something. But I remember feeling weird about it. Once I remember he brought me somewhere and I was cracking some jokes. And when we got back he goes you were pretty confident back there. Yeah. And I remember thinking like oh this is not the man for me. So this girl started seeing this guy who was an on and off girlfriend. But he's like I'm single. But then he stops responding to her. Blocks her at one point and she moves on but then he reaches out to her again. He's basically wishy washy and clearly lying to both girls. Do you have a moment when you date people that you're like there's a moment where you're like yeah I hate you. It's funny with guys I've actually dated like full on relationship. I don't I haven't really hated any of them. Yeah. Because by the time I've I've like learned who they are as people I feel like they're good guys. It's more the like situationship ones that I'm like oh you're sick. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. We're guys I've fully dated. I'm not even sad at the end because I'm like I've seen all of you and I understand this isn't right. Yeah. But situationships you're like oh I've made you into something you're not. You're actually the complete opposite and I'm at it myself for giving you the benefit of the doubt. Yeah I feel like every time I realize I hate them it's all like a similar situation and it's that. Wow you were really like talkative with the group or something or like you were really one time a guy told I asked him I forget what we were even doing and I asked him like oh was that okay to say and I remember him saying like well you just like talked over everyone and everyone noticed it and I could tell that everyone was getting really pissed and I remember being like oh my god really and then like asking someone and the girl being like what the fuck are you talking about like no no one thought that and then me realizing in that moment where I was like wow I actually fucking hate you. They're trying to make you smaller. Yeah. They're trying to make you they're trying to dim your light as I like to say. So long story short this is the part you can fast forward. She gets murdered and it's not the guy it's a girlfriend. Wait I actually stopped listening. His on and off again girlfriend murdered her. Murdered her. The old girlfriend murdered the new girlfriend. And she wasn't even a new girlfriend. It was basically like this guy was kind of lying to both of them and one of the girls was clearly not mentally well. No like I don't say it lightly picking the wrong guy can kill you. It could literally kill you. Also like there are so many studies where women get into relationships and like develop autoimmune diseases like it truly can kill you. It was funny because I was thinking about the Manuspher documentary and how they made a documentary about these men making other men hate women and then I'm like is there going to be a glee sweat documentary about how we told all the girls they're going to get autoimmune diseases if they talk to men. No because you want to know what. We're raising awareness. In any type of society there's like a oppressor and the oppressed and there's like a whole thing about if you're the oppressed you know every single thing about who's oppressing you. So us being like also we don't hate all men we like are in relationships we have sex with them like we love men. But being aware and knowing it's the whole thing of like we have to do all of these things to protect ourselves from them but we like a perfect example is like the Bonnie blue like the girl that does all the like rage bait and like has sex with a million guys in one day or whatever. Never once do is there ever an article like well who are the guys like who are the guys that are standing in line to have sex with this one girl. Also if a guy had sex with 100 women in a day he'd be literally have a sculpture. That's just like a football player. Like that's just like the captain of some team somewhere. I don't even know the Bonnie blue stuff like I again because I don't know like streamers or like any of that bullshit but I know that we've never once identified one man that's had sex with her like I'd like to see all of their pictures. Anyway I don't know how we got. I feel like this episode has gotten like kind of deep and stuff but I kind of like it so I'm going to add on to it. I was thinking about well I use the word oppressed. We can't go back we got to lean in. Lean in hashtag lean in. I'm wearing a Shakespearean top and so I felt I needed to say the word oppressor. I was thinking about how I love being in my 30s and I try to put words to why my 20s is hard so girls in their 20s listening could like be easier on themselves and I think I realize I am a perfectionist. I know I'm a tight beat perfectionist so it's weird. You're 100% a perfectionist. Thank you. Well I have a little Virgo in my chart and no one talks about it. You get very like detailed oriented. You're like what if we cut the clip two seconds. I'm like shot off. Just post it. Page like page like says yes to everything and I'm like we need to stop .01 seconds before this joke ends. Yeah. But I was thinking about as a perfectionist in my 20s every single thing that happened to me when it wouldn't go right I was so upset and down on myself and then I realized like the reason I love my 30s is because I've made all the mistakes already so I'm not scared of making the mistakes because I'm like oh I've done this and I've messed up and it's gone well so and I also know the answer to things now because I've made the mistakes. Yeah. So in your 20s you don't know the answers. Right. So as a perfectionist in your 20s when something happens to you you go I don't know this and you try calling your mom you try googling it but it takes until your 30s to be to know the answer to things and actually feel good about where your 20s you feel bad because you made mistakes. I think the biggest difference for me when I from 20s to 30s is 20s I always thought I was stupid. Like I would always just be like well obviously I'm not as smart as that person or like that person definitely knows way more than I do about whatever the situation is. Then when I got into my 30s I feel like I was like oh wait you're really you're actually the dumb one and I'm 10 times smarter than you I was just a little bit more insecure about it. Any guy that says he's smart is dumb any guy that says he's a good guy is a bad guy. Yeah. Anyone who tries to tell you there's something is the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. So true. Also like this has nothing to do with it but I'm so f***ing sick of the term girls girl. If we can never say it again that would be great. It's kind of like girls weaponizing other girls in a way. It's just like another way to be like she's actually not a girls girl actually she is a girls girl. It's like what's the definition of an event anymore like because to me it was like just being nice to girls and now it's like but actually if you go back there's like it's just I can't I hate the phrase now. Yeah. I like can't see it anymore. Yeah. And I think our podcast people who love Giggly Squad are girls who love making other girls laugh. Yeah. And love the commonality of joking and girlhood. And having things in common. And having things in common and I really realize if you don't have girls in your life that make you laugh like what do you do? Try to connect with men. That sucks. I haven't connected with them in years. If my good guy friends didn't get married I probably still I wouldn't still be friends with them I feel like. No. Like I feel like when my any like friendship I had with a male in my 20s is now such a different relationship because they're married and I am so much closer to their wives. Another thing I thought about making friends though in your 30s is you have to start the story from the beginning if that makes sense. Like it's kind of fun but when you have a new friend when you're 30s you're like which chapter do we even start on? Yeah. Like you need to get multiple drinks to like give your lore. I mean our lore is like I can't even I don't know if I can start over with someone. I need to like send them to someone to like give them the briefing before they get to me. One thing I like listening to rap music. Wow. Would it change in direction? As driven women. Yeah. Nobody talks about it like rappers about as you get successful how many people start lying about you coming for you being mean to you bullying you and like only rappers talk about it. Pop stars are like love love but rappers are like literally no one came for my neck until I started making money like that and I'm literally like the amount of lies other girls can make up about you when you're doing well is so scary and crazy so how about this? Well because girls are so smart so they're like I know that people will hate her if they think this about her and so then they say it. If a man's gonna make up a rumor about you it's gonna be like she had sex with and it's like okay like good one where like if a girl's gonna make up a rumor about you it's layered. She's done research. She's like yeah it's different. And then you you can't address it. No like bullying in an office setting is next level. Next level and even like places that you didn't think like nurses I've heard horrible stories of teachers. The nurse lore I would actually love a reality show based on nurses. That would be insane they'd be like this character is dead. Oh my god. No think about what a good like okay because people like love the pit. Yeah. They love like. Is it girl coded though? Like Grey's Anatomy. Like I also love a medical show. You like you feel smarter when you watch it. That's how I feel about law and order. I'm like I'm a lawyer. But nurses have so well nurses get such a bad rep too like oh nurses are so bitchy and like well they're tired. They haven't slept for years. And I think that they would have such a good reality show. Or even like a scripted show where it's but it's just about the nurses. But how would they do it? They'd be like producers would be like hey can you start a fight with someone and she'd be like yeah that girl needs an IV or she's gonna die. I can't like start a fight. No they don't have to start a fight but like how good would it be if they're getting into it about something. It's like okay well you didn't fill the chart out right. It's like okay well maybe I didn't have to do your work. Maybe you want to have me roll hand right. Someone's coding in the other room. They're like we'll get back to this. We'll get back to this. Yeah and then it's a cliffhanger. Next episode does she live or die. Yeah. And I think there's like hierarchy in nurses. Yeah there is. The new one. Yeah. The new nurse. Well we watched that whole thing about the documentary about how all the nurses try to blame one of the nurses for like killing people. Oh that baby. Yeah. When we watched that oh yeah. Yeah that was dark. In British. In British. In British. Was it in England? Oh yeah it was in England. They were speaking in British. I can't believe you know we've never been to England together. Is that crazy? Or Italy. The only time we've been outside of the country together is Canada. We've never been on a vacation together. Well vacation was never a thing. We've never vacationed together. I mean every day with you is a vacation. But I actually was thinking about how I want to go to Sicily with you. Yeah I would love that. Let's talk to Kim about it. You don't have to come but Kim and I are going. Why don't you just come on our... That is one thing I will say about my family. My holidays and my vacations are like just come. Like anyone. You guys are very welcoming. Like we've met that you guys three times come on our vacation. My mom has always been really big on like each holiday is unique. Like not every holiday is going to be the same. It's not going to always be the same people. So like random holidays we will have random people and they might not come next year and they might not have been there the year before. But my Italy trip has truly turned into... If you're in Italy come have dinner with us. As if we're like like Taylor is coming on my trip. Sierra came last summer and probably again this summer. You've had many... Lucho is coming on my trip this year. Random boys in and out. My dad loved when I brought guys to like Shelter Island because he would do the boyfriend Olympics. Yeah. And you think it's a joke it's not. He would just at one point be like you want to throw a ball outside and the guy would be like okay and they'd start with football and then they'd throw a baseball round. And then next you know they're doing time sprints. They're doing jumping verticals. He's bring him to the beach. They're racing. Then they're throwing the Frisbee in the water. Sorry for doing a decathlon. They're doing a full decathlon. And then my dad is literally like he made it or he didn't. And some of the... It's like well are you going to be able to protect my daughter of the world then? Yes or no? Let's find out in the backyard. It's like this is also why I love like big men is because I can throw a football. And I cannot explain to you guys how it feels to... I don't know how it feels to be with a man who can't throw a ball farther than you. But it's annoying. Have you ever dated a guy that doesn't like sports? No. Even when I dated a musician he was like he was like an athlete too. But I'm annoying like I'm I really am annoying with the sports guys. Okay. I've never dated a poet. I don't date fucking. I don't date any... Where are there just poets running around? I don't know Brooklyn and Brooklyn. I've never dated... I don't date the skinny like artsy dudes. I've never dated a guy who was like tatted up unless it was like cool for his sport. Or like he had a random cross because he like needed to win the football game. I've dated a couple guys that don't watch sports and... What do they talk about? Not to sound like misogynistic. I really don't. I do prefer a guy that watches sports. There's something about like their brain needs to be focused on something of structure. Or their philanderers. Well it's kind of like it's kind of like baby setting. Where you're like there's a game on tonight. Perfect. Oh my god. He's going to be occupied. The Mets are starting. The Mets are starting. 7 to 9.30. The Mets are four hours. And it's literally like he puts himself in the room. Yeah. I'm like what if we turned on the game and I got you a snack. Put him down. He sat down and we were just quiet. Turned on the game put him down and he's good. I don't want you to have a lot in common with me. It's less important that you have things in common. More important that you have the same sense of humor about it. Yeah. That's the T. I need someone that's not afraid to make fun of me. A lot of my boyfriends are scared of me. So I'm like I need someone who's not afraid to be like you. Why do I feel like I need to sit them down and tell them how to like rip you to shreds. Yeah. Like that's in a charming way. Like God forbid. God forbid we had a little back and forth. I don't remember a moment that I didn't make fun of you. Like I'm like the first day I met you. Because it's like do you even care about me if you're not making fun of me. Like no because it's at a level of comfortability where it's like yeah I can say that to her. Obviously she's not going to get offended by it. Also it takes me knowing about you and remembering details about you to make fun of you which means I care. Period. Yes. Done. That's what it is. Can I say one thing about football is going to piss you off. Fine. This girl on TikTok said that football games are actually only 11 to 18 minutes of actual playing. And the rest is commercials and just like fucking around because they need to give people enough time to make bets and to just like consume like to eat food and to order stuff and to watch commercials. These guys are I mean yes it is like they're getting hit by a car all the time and they're never going to be able to like think the same because they have CD but it's really 11 to 18 minutes of actual play. And they actually they're just saving the world. And not to shout out to tennis but like these men are playing three out of five sets just out there for five hours. Even like baseball is like eight million hours long. But they're not really moving a lot soccer. They just add random time at the end of the game because like you guys haven't ran enough. You're still more minutes to just go. Wow that's very interesting about football. Very interesting. So it's all just to sell things during the game. I mean if you think about it if you ever go to like a stadium it's all ads all the way around. It's all capitalism. It's all capitalism. I want to apologize to the Academy because I actually am really annoying about talking about this this episode. I never do this if you're a non-gaker like enough with this guy. I never do this but he has a really funny joke that I need to tell and I'm going to butcher it but he talks about how. I'm going to butcher it. OK going down on a girl is kind of like the end of a basketball game like when she says she's about to come. It's like a basketball game saying there's only two minutes left. There's actually not two minutes left and it's going to take forever. So shout out to men in sports and men in the bedroom. I hope you give women actual orgasms. Wait I was talking to one of my girlfriends. Actually she's not she's one of my girlfriends girlfriends. Important. Yeah so she's like my friend in law. Girls girl. She was my friend in law. So I like I don't really know her but I was with one of my friends and she was there whatever. And she was talking about she had just recently broken up with her boyfriend. I was like oh my god like what just like asking normal questions about it. And I don't know how one does but we got on the topic of like well how is your sex. Like was it good or not. And she was like no like I never came not once like I used to fake it a lot. Mind you this girl is I think she was maybe like 26 25 26 whatever. And I didn't know literally. And I was like oh my god like did you ever talk to him about it or like did you ever have conversations. Like did he know you weren't coming or did he know you were ever faking it. And she was like yes one time I didn't fake it. And he and I was like oh I didn't come or something. And he said yeah all my girlfriends like have a really hard time coming. And I was like the gas lighter of the century. God like for some reason I'm attracted to girls that don't know how to come. Yeah he like put it all out. He was like yeah something weird happens and like they have a really hard and I was like why would he say that. Why would he admit that. He ever hooked up with a guy and immediately when he's like yeah I had a girlfriend for like six years and you're like oh you never made her come. Yeah. And in your 20s at least like it's less embarrassing to be like hey that's my thigh. Once you stop moving but when a guy's in his 30s you start to be like holy shit like no girl somehow girls. When you get to the point where you're closing your eyes and picturing someone else yeah. Yeah. Like maybe you should leave. Or you're just like hey let mama handle this. You're like mentally I have to shift into a new stratosphere right now because this continuum. It's like look some kind of effect is happening but I have to leave my present body. Go somewhere else. I'll be back in three seconds. What's it called they say that you could like. Levitate. You can go to a different realm or something that's what girls do all the time. Your friends especially your best friends boyfriend or husband. That is your coworker. That is so fucking true. And he works for Moe. Not only is he my coworker. You don't know what he does. You've heard from her what he's like in the office. But you're not in meetings with him. We're not yeah we're not missing you. You see him at the water at the water. At the water fountain. Fountain. You see him passing like going to the bathroom. You can tell if he's like in a mood or not but that's pretty much it. And then when you leave the company you never speak to him again. He's also like kind of similar to like your aunt's husband that she divorced but still comes to holidays. Like he's also kind of like that family member. Where it's like we don't see him a lot but he's part of our family but not blood related. Yes. And you know that he can get fired at any moment. Yeah. And that's. And if you've never saw him again or talked to him. Would it affect anything. Okay. Yes. Yeah. 100%. 100%. Well I'm glad we figured that out. You guys thank you so much for digging with us. I have my last weekend of tour. Going to North Carolina. I know this weekend North Carolina. Two more shows. If you're in North Carolina I'll see you there. Just North Carolina. Just North Carolina. Okay. How are you? Bye. 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