Episode 157: Every Piece in Place

Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. As I'm sure you're aware by now, I typically ask people about themselves and their backstory in all the interviews that you hear on the show. To me, it's a very important part of understanding where somebody's coming from, and it also occasionally produces some really unexpected details. This episode features probably the wildest backstory that I've ever encountered while making this show. It comes from a guy named Vincent, and he did not mention anything about his upbringing in the original email he sent us. So when I asked him those basic questions at the start of the interview, it really took me by surprise. In fact, it was so surprising that at some point while I was listening to his backstory, I completely forgot that I was supposed to be talking to him about seeing an alien. Like I said, this story comes from a guy named Vincent. It's a really wild one that I think speaks for itself, and he does a great job telling it. The title is Every Piece in Place, and You're Listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue with. I'm worried about all the science. Up in the sky. It's almost frustrating that it's happening. I'm going to die. I'll bug you. Its limbs were just like wrong. Everybody moves back into their life, even if it takes them a bit. My name is Vince. I currently live in Chandler, Arizona, from a small town called Superior, Arizona. my whole life has been kind of like uh i wouldn't say a series of unfortunate events because they kind of made me who i am so to a normal person they're unfortunate but to me it's just you know if any one of those little things didn't happen you know my whole life would be totally different right now so with that being said i currently live in chandler i've heard people refer to it the Silicon Valley of Arizona because there's Intel. All the chip companies are here. There's space companies here. There's a lot of tax money, a lot of rich people. A lot of the athletes live down here. So it's a super nice area. And that is where I currently live. But the main story is from my hometown, Superior. And I grew up there. Originally, I lived with my mom. She had me and my younger sister with her, and we actually lived in a train car because we were homeless. I'm not sure what part of the train it is, but there was just like a little office in the back. I don't know if it would have been like the little break room for the conductors or engineers or whatever the person who drives the train is called. But it's retired, and it's kind of a display piece near a park. they put a train track down and put it on there um but it was not visited i mean no one went there no one cared it's just in the back of this park there's just a random giant train caboose on tracks just next to a park it had zero business being there zero historical um relevance to the town or anything so i have no idea why i was there just a big red train car caboose thing. And we just lived in it. And up until about seven years old, we were homeless. And my oldest brother, at the time, there were three of us. My oldest brother lived with my grandparents because they were able to get custody of him. And then my mom had us too. We lived with her in a train car, just homeless. And then police officers would bring us food, which now when I look back, I'm like, there were kids homeless in a train car and you were taking them food. I appreciate it, but I feel like there probably should have been another step after that, like maybe called child services or something. But either way, I'm grateful. For me, it was kind of fun until our mom started getting into some pretty bad drugs and our mom would get like super high on math or heroin or something and she would just pass out and my younger sister she's like a year and a half younger than me she would just be crying and I'm just like holding my mom and you know I got used to knowing that she was gonna wake up obviously when I was young I didn't know like overdoses were a thing or anything like that but she always would just get high and then like fall asleep and was just essentially like in a coma we couldn't wake her up or anything we just kind of waited it out. So that was our life up until about seven. I was seven. And then finally, my grandparents were able to get custody of me and my sister. And then my mom kidnapped us from my grandparents like a few months later. And we were on the run. And I still remember that we were driving through the desert in some pickup truck and we were driving to California and me and my sister in the middle and we're having fun and we're eating. And to this day, those like mushy, chewy, like chips, ahoy chips in like the red container. Oh, I love those. I hate the, like the, the crunchy chips. Um, so we're sitting there and I'm so little, like I can't even really see over the dash and me and my sister in the middle and my mom and my dad they were like fighting so my mom's in the passenger seat dad's driving to me and her just sitting in the middle on the little bench and then we're eating and we're loving these cookies then all of a sudden he like loses control and we crash like going under like an underpass of like a train bridge or something and we lost control and crashed I mean my sister fly out of the seat because obviously there's no safety we have no seat belts and the cookies go flying and we're crying and they're just screaming at us like that we crashed into a ditch like it wasn't like totaled the truck or anything so he just kind of like fixed the situation got all of us back into our seats and then he kind of got the truck out of the ditch and then we get all the way to California and we're like living in this shack and I remember our dad leaves I think he just dropped us off so my mom she needs money and she's trying to get her drugs and she takes us with her and I'd never really told my sister this part of the story because it would kind of break her heart but we met with this drug dealer and me and my sister were just like tagging along with my mom and she offers my sister to the drug dealer for money like saying he can just have her here you can have my daughter if you give me like all these drugs or something and um and I just grabbed my sister I was like no you can't do that and you know I was young and I already knew that that was a bad thing and the drug dealer was like no i'm absolutely not i'm not doing that i don't know how many drug dealers in the world have a good heart but this one he called the police because he knew where we were staying and he called the police and they kind of like raided it and then once we said like oh our mom kidnapped us by the way we're from arizona i was like what like yeah we're from Arizona and she kidnapped us and she told us not to say anything because you know like when you're a kid and you just say everything you have no filter so they arrested my mom and then they put us like in this van and they drove us all the way back and then we met with like the local sheriff and then our grandparents picked us back up and things kind of calmed down. Did your mom go to jail like what happened to her? So I don't really have a sense of time back then so she was always kind of in and out of jail I don't know if it was like a long stint of jail I think it was more of like, I don't know, she got arrested and then we didn't really see her because then they put like an order of protection on her. They're like, you kidnapped her, you kidnapped the kids, you can't go back to that house until like things are settled and you're off drugs and things like that. Then my mom got clean. My grandparents released the order of protection. Then my mom would come around. At this point, she already had another daughter. But after my younger sister, when she tried to give away she got her tubes tied and apparently that's not like super perfect because she had a child which is my youngest sister and my mom was on every single drug pretty much drank a bunch of alcohol just did all these bad things like everything they tell you not to do while pregnant she did so my sister was born she was born at like two pounds super premature her, had fetal alcohol syndrome, everything wrong with her. She was in the hospital forever. And then finally, my grandparents were able to get custody of her as well because my mom was still on pretty bad drugs and honestly didn't really want her. So she came to live with us. And then once my mom got clean, she would come over and visit all of us. And then my younger sister, she would die all the time. I know that sounds weird, but her heart would just stop. I think it happened like four or five times and i don't know how it never happened at night because obviously if we were sleeping when it happened she would have just died but it happened like if she was playing or something and then she would just collapse and then my grandpa would like give her cpr and then just bring her back to life and then they would like medevac her and stabilize her and then she'd come back and then you know a few months later she would just die again her heart would stop we all get a little older my sister essentially stops dying her heart i think got a little stronger and stuff like that and things kind of settled down and we didn't really see our mom as much and one day we were driving to walmart which is like a 30 minute drive our town is kind of secluded it's in the middle of nowhere me and my brother i'm riding with him and we look over because there's a big police presence on the side of the highway. And we see the coroner picking up a body bag. And I was kind of a little confused, like, oh, that's a body bag. That means, you know, he just told me that that means there's a dead body in there. And he was just saying how horrible that is that they found, you know, a dead person on the side of the road. Anyway, you know, we don't really care. You know, it's crazy to see. But, you know, our day goes on. We go to Walmart. we come home and just life goes on a week or two later my grandma was like we haven't heard from your mom in a while because usually she would call you know either from jail or just calling maybe once or twice a week just to see how the kids are doing or ask for money or a handout or food or something but she hadn't called in a while so I think my grandmother called to make a missing person's report and they asked for some identifiers like any tattoos she had and and like well actually those tattoos you just described to us kind of match someone we found recently so she my grandpa and my older brother went to uh i guess the coroner and yeah they identified the body and it was our mom. Our mom was dead. For me, I was kind of in shock, I guess. More, I don't know, confused. I guess a normal person, if their mother dies, they would be super upset, crying about it. But I think we just had so many things go wrong with her and stuff like that that I never really felt like she was my mom. Obviously, my grandparents raised us. So So they were and then they ended up adopting us illegally. They were my mom and dad. But I never really felt like my mom was my mom. So when she died, I almost felt relieved because I was always afraid that she was going to come back and try to do something to us. And I know that is a horrible thought. But when you go through being kidnapped and like your own mother trying to like give away your sister, it's just you don't know what she's capable of. and then soon after my dad died which he was never really in the picture so getting into teenagehood parents are dead and honestly other than all that I actually had a great childhood we grew up in a small town in the desert there was mountains all around us super beautiful my grandfather he owned a body shop collision work custom paint stuff like that so since I was a kid to keep us out of trouble we would you know go out there and help him sand the cars or clean them or everything was just like so perfect we didn't have a lot of money we didn't have a lot of things but we were all in the house and we just, I don't know, we just had so much fun. We're always like riding bikes outside. We live next to a little Creek, which had water. It was just like always something. I go to school, get out of school, go play all day until the, until it got dark. And then I'd come home. I don't know. I love my childhood. And then I got a little older. I graduated high school a little early. I graduated as a junior at 17. And then the local mine, which they offered scholarships to students in the high school. And I ended up getting one of the scholarships and going to college And during my breaks I come home stay at my grandparents house and work at the mine as an intern just doing like basic intern stuff and this is when the story happened i gotta say that this is probably one of the wildest intros anybody's given in terms of backstory in the podcast thus far. The story I'm about to tell is crazy. We haven't even gotten to the weird part yet. So now I'm in college. It's my second year of college. My girlfriend from my hometown, she moved up there with me, and we got a little apartment. And I loved walking my dog at night. And it was super high elevation. It was in a city called Prescott. and at night you could just see a crazy amount of stars from our apartment because I would walk kind of out and behind it into like the woods and there was like a clearing way far away and then there was like a little picnic area and I'll just go out there and walk my dog and look at the stars but one night I was playing fetch with my dog and she was just playing around and I was like I just went to a little picnic bench that was there, and I laid down on the bench to look at the stars, and it was gorgeous. And my dog's just relaxing next to me, just kind of – she's a little wore out, so she kind of lays down in the grass. And I'm laying on this bench, and I'm just looking up, and the amount of stars you can see, it was – and my eyes were already adjusted to the night. So it's just like it was it just looked like TV static, almost just white dots everywhere. And I'm just looking. I'm just in awe. And I'm remembering I'm like, man, those are each each of those is a star. And I'm just thinking to myself, I'm just looking at each one. I'm thinking each one of those is a star and each one of those has a planet. That's crazy. What if imagine how many of them have life at them or on the planets or something? so I'm just staring at him and all of a sudden I just start getting like where my eyes relax I'm just staring at the star that my eyes are just that is just like in front of my eyes and I'm just staring and staring and just like in a trance at it and I just started thinking like if there's someone there can you show yourself to me or can you talk to me and I was just like talking to a star right and then I look over and I'm looking at another star and I'm just like talking to it and I'm just like looking around and and what I'm visualizing is I don't know if you've ever seen the videos where they show like the size of the earth and it pans out then it shows the size of the sun then it pans out I'm just like visualizing myself zooming into there like I'm traveling through space and I see the star and I'm there and I see the planets around and I find a planet with life and like I'm just like visualizing these weird things just just a crazy imagination right so I'm just looking and I'm just imagining like what would these lives look like like would they would it be like cows like what would it look like and I'm just talking to it like if there's someone there can you please show yourself can you please talk to me and I'm doing this to all these stars and it's getting late and then I'm just kind of like relaxed and I'm like okay this is ridiculous so I get up with the dog I almost chuckle it off I mean I would like to say an alien ship popped up but nothing happened heck the stars didn't even twinkle at me I mean I nothing happened so I get up get my dog we walk back and I mean it's nothing special so like that wasn't on my mind and then life goes on a couple weeks later the semester ends and it's the winter semester and I go back home and the winter semester is about a month long. So I'm going to live at my grandparents' house in my hometown. So I'm going to the mine there as an intern since I'm on scholarship and just working, hanging out with friends, childhood friends. And then one night, nothing special about that night or the day beforehand i just wake up and i just have this urge i just feel wide awake and i have this urge to go outside so my mind is not thinking why i just get up and do it like i have this urge and i just do it like almost like if you want to drink water you just get up and go do you don't contemplate it you just get up and do it so I just got up walked and I can like feel the coldness of the tile under my feet like I could I'm in my room first you know I feel the carpet that the texture of the carpet and I walk immediately in the hallway and there's tile and I feel the cold towel on my feet and I'm just walking just walking walking and you know it's kind of chilly i know it's winter in arizona but at night it was still only like 50 at that time um and i get to the door and i'm about to just go outside and when i open the door standing in front of me was two typical what you would describe just as gray aliens standing on the other side of the screen door and they were both standing side by side and the way you get to the screen is there's like a ledge almost like a mini porch and when i say porch it's just the foundation of the house that protrudes like three feet from the house so they're just like standing up on this concrete next to each other and they're i would like to say they were little but they weren't really maybe slightly shorter than me maybe like five four it didn't feel like i was looking at like i don't know like et like something really like three feet tall or something i can see that they are wearing like something i don't know if it's like a one-piece suit or a two-piece but it's all very similar to their skin color I don't know if it's like silver or gray. It just, it wasn't contrasting enough from their skin to really even take notice. I know they were wearing something because I could like see the outline of like clothing on them. It looked like a suit, but it was just so close to their color. And immediately I kind of snap out of this urge to walk outside and immediately my heart is pumping adrenaline at 100 like i don't know anyone in the world who can see a gray alien and just not know that that is an alien because it is so typical and almost embarrassing to say that that's i wish it was something crazier than a gray alien that i saw just because it's almost embarrassing to say it because everyone's like oh sure you saw a gray alien whatever um but i see it and immediately i know it's an alien like immediately i know there's two of them man if i was any older i probably would have had a heart attack like it was the most scared i've been through a lot of things in my life and this was the most scared i've ever been and all of it hits me at once and within like maybe a second or two it like stops like a freight train all that emotion just stopped like gone and i've never had my adrenaline going and like when i when that situation stops and is no longer a scary situation like your heart's still speeding up and it's slowly going down you know you're slowly coming down off of it this was like immediate it like just a flip of the switch just turned off um and immediately i lock eyes with one and then i just feel like like almost like they're pouring like warm butter over me just warm and like loving it went from the most fear i've ever had to instantly loved imagine like your favorite uncle coming to visit you like your favorite family member that you don't see a lot and you open the door and just the excitement you see as a kid you're just so happy to see him and you just feel this love that's immediately what went over me this is all within 10 seconds this may sound like a long time but it's maybe two seconds of adrenaline and then instantly happy and then I'm just I'm just staring at them and then I cannot look away like I'm forced to almost look in their eyes so I'm just locked eyes with them well with the one on the left and I can't look away like even if I wanted to look around I can't like it feels like I'm just stuck looking at it and um all of a sudden I just hear in my head in my own voice which is kind of weird but I kind of think I know why in my voice but in my voice I hear we're not going to affect you or something like that I just remember I specifically remember the word affect and I just knew that they weren't going to hurt me or do anything to me. And the reason I think they were talking in my voice would be because honestly, if they talked to me in like a different voice, I probably would have been afraid. And then they say, come outside with us. And any normal adult would probably slam the door and run screaming, but I couldn't. I basically just open the screen and just follow them. They turn around and I'm like, they weren't afraid of me. Like they weren't like walking, like making sure their back wasn't towards me. They just turned around, stepped off. And we had this little brick floor, like a brick walkway up. So we have a long front yard from the road to the door is probably like 30 feet and but to walk from the road to the door there's like a a little red brick pathway we made so i step out i'm barefoot i feel the really it's the floor is really cold it's obviously winter in arizona it only gets to maybe 40s but that the ground is still very cold at that when when you were just in a warm comfy bed and your feet are warm and you go to step on that 40 degree concrete um so what i thought was funny was that it didn't bother me like i knew it was cold and i knew it was like the ground would normally be really cold so i don't care about the cold which is weird like it was almost like i had no choice but to walk but i do remember with each step i was careful not to hurt my foot on like the uneven bricks and i feel the coldness i feel everything and i'm just walking behind him and i'm just staring at the back of the head of the one on the left. And I don't know if I ever really looked at the one on the right while we were walking. I just was just like in a trance and I'm just following it. And there's a gray craft in the road and they walk me to it and we're maybe 10 feet from it. And we get up to it and they kind of stand in a way and turn to like present me to it and as soon as we get there cars would kind of come down towards our house but they would turn before they get to our house because there was a street nearby and I see these lights coming around the corner and I look over and I immediately say oh they're gonna see us and I don't know if I thought that maybe I'd get in trouble or something but I felt like they're not supposed to see us in my head I just hear you say oh don't worry about it or no they won't or something along those lines and then all of a sudden it gets like the air gets like super staticky all the hair on my body standing up like goosebumps like the most static I've ever felt and like my vision got kind of blurry-ish but I don't know if it was actually my vision it felt like the way I would describe it it almost looked like glitter falling in the air by us and I don't know if it was I honestly I have no idea it wasn't like particles falling but it looked like glitter falling because like it was sparkling a little bit and the air was super tingly and then the car drives past and then all of that immediately goes away like it's there wasn't like glitter on the floor or anything like there's there was nothing from that so I feel like they weren't able to see us but i was still there and i was able to see us and everything was fine like it's not like we got under a cloak and i couldn't see anything or like you know it just seemed fine and then as soon as the car drove past i looked at the ship and normally i probably wouldn't have looked at the ship because if there's a ship and two aliens i think most people would focus on the aliens and not the ship per se but it felt like it like they forced me to look at the ship and i'm just staring at it and it's like the size of like maybe a small school bus like one of those short yellow school buses but it the way i describe it looked like a fuel tanker like round smooth like in that proportion it looked like like a big water tank or something but it was perfectly smooth like reflective and like silvery but it wasn't like mirrored it just looked like new aluminum and when I was staring at it I don't remember if there were like legs I was just staring at like the upper two-thirds of it like I couldn't look away from that like imagine you're looking at the at the ship centered but like up towards the top of the and I was just staring and staring and then all of a sudden it felt like I was connected to it. And when I felt that connection, then all of a sudden I had this knowing in me It wasn a feeling or like a thought maybe I can do something to it But a knowing popped up in my head that if I really wanted to I could change the shape of it And I don't know why. Like it wasn't communicated. They weren't, they didn't say like, hey, you know, this was yours. You could change the shape of it. It was just like a knowing. I just knew I could. And like, it felt like it was alive. It's like when you go to the zoo and you see like a tiger for the first time and you're just in awe because this thing that you see in books or something is finally right there. And you're just in awe, just like admiring it. Even if it's like the tiger's just laying there, you're just admiring it. Like this ship, I'm just, it just feels like I'm looking at like an animal or like a living thing. And then immediately once I knew I could change the shape and I felt like I knew the ship, my whole consciousness like turned towards the aliens and I couldn't focus on the ship anymore. So they're standing to my right and the ship is kind of like in front of me. So I turned my whole body and I'm just standing there staring at the one on the left again. And the one on the left said, do you have any questions for us? And again, this is all in my mind. there is zero facial movements and I'm just locked in on their eyes and their face looks just like an I hate to say it but it looks just like a typical what you would think like the big black eyes smaller lower portion of the face like I really wish I could say it didn't look like that because I feel like it would be more believable but it just looked like a normal gray alien so I'm just staring at the one on the left in the eyes. And it says in my head again, in my voice, do you have any questions? And the first thing I ask is, am I dreaming? And he said, no, like almost like I was being silly, like, no, like, why would you think you're dreaming? Like that type of no. So said, do you have any questions? And the weird thing about the questions, I can still feel like my mouth was moving and I asked a question I know I asked a question imagine you're trying to think of a song or someone's name and it's like right there on the tip of your tongue and you know you know it but all it takes is like something to like click and you're like oh yeah yeah this is the song name like you you know it but you just can't say it. You just cannot remember it. It bothers you so bad. That is the feeling that I have. I know what I asked. I remember moving my mouth and in my mind, I felt curious. I asked a question. If you're ever talking with someone and a question pops up, your mood kind of changes because you want to ask a question. Then you ask the question and then when they answer it, that questioning feeling goes away. Like they just answered your questions and they replied. And I know they did because immediately that feeling in me of like having a question was gone. Like I was satisfied. And then another one happened and then another one. So I just remember that happened three times. So I know I asked three questions at first and then I can remember I, the next thing I asked is, is God real? And I very clearly remember that. And they said, we can't tell you that. I said, oh, okay, well, let me tone it back a little bit. I'm sorry. I think the first three were maybe basic questions that they could answer. And I don't know why I can't remember, but or why I'm not allowed to remember or something. And then the next question I asked, what happens when we die? And they said, we can't answer that. I said, okay. And then I said, how big is outer space. And they also said, we can't answer that. The last thing I remember that they answered, I asked, how can I talk to you again? And they said, all you got to do is ask. And I said, well, how do I ask? And they said, well, the way you asked the first time. And so I was like, okay, I don't know. I don't remember asking, but whatever. All right, we'll be right back after this quick break. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Sometimes it can feel like everybody else has their relationships perfectly figured out, but that's rarely true. Whether you're married, dating, single, or somewhere in between, we're all still learning as we go. Therapy can be a really helpful way to remind yourself that you're not behind and that progress doesn't have to be perfect. Therapy helps you explore what's weighing your relationships down and find ways to lighten that load on your own or with a partner. BetterHelp makes it simple to start by matching you with a fully licensed therapist based on your needs. And if you want to switch therapists, you can do so at any time. BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform with over 30,000 therapists and an average of 4.9 out of 5 rating from millions of sessions. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com slash otherworld. That's betterhelp.com slash otherworld. Hi, I'm Katie Ring and welcome to Crime House 24-7. Throughout the day, we bring you up-to-the-minute crime coverage as stories break with daytime episodes hosted by Vanessa Richardson, keeping you informed on the cases unfolding right now. And at night, I take you deeper with Nightwatch episodes, examining the facts, the evidence, the people at the center of today's biggest cases. New episodes of Crime House 24-7 drop every weekday. Listen to and follow Crime House 24-7, available now wherever you get your podcasts. The weird thing after those questions, it felt like I was receiving information, almost like I had a spiritual conversation. I feel like I can sense what the conversations are about or how serious it is. And I was just super happy with what I was hearing. And I don't understand why they would allow me to ask questions if I wasn't allowed to know. like why would they give me the ability to ask questions and then redact the most important ones and then none of the other experience was redacted from looking at the ship from being exposed to that weird static from seeing them from staring in their eyes and i've almost considered going to like a regression therapist or something if that would work if i can get the answers out of it but after the conversation basically my consciousness like shifted towards just going back inside like I knew we were done they didn't say okay go back inside it's just the best way I could say is like robotic like like being controlled I just turned away from them and just started walking straight towards the front door of my house. And I think anyone would look back or see if they fly away or see how fast the ship is or see how they got in. But I wasn't able to do that. So as I'm walking forward, it didn't feel like I could turn around and look. I was just being steered into the house, like as if like a puppet almost. I opened the screen, walked in, closed it, walked straight to my bed, sat down. As soon as my butt touched the bed, I just blinked and like snapped out of it. I'm controlling my body. I'm in my right mind now. I'm no longer level-headed like the whole experience. I was just excited. Like, what just happened? Like, what the fuck was that? Was that real? And the weird part, I mean, I'm still cold. Like if you're ever like in bed under your blankets and you're all warm and you get like your body's warm. I was cold like I was just outside. I was just so excited to just run back outside. So I just run back down the hall, fling the front door open and run out and nothing is there. if i would have just got out of bed and all that was a dream out of my warm bed run outside i would have like got the shock of the cold hitting me but i was out there and i was like already acclimated to the temperature my feet weren't like reacting to the cold everything is how it was like it wasn't morning it wasn't like earlier or later it was exactly what it felt like same temperature same feeling on my feet like I just felt like I was just out there like the smells were the same the air was the same you know and I'm it just totally acclimated so I'm just so confused just looking around wondering was that real and that's when I'm just starting to like think and I'm like looking at my feet moving them I was like looking around I'm like I was just out here Like I know I was like, there's like, my body is still acclimated. Like the excitement is still there. Like this was real. What now? Like, what do you do? Like, how do you, do you all lay down and sleep? Like I, I was just so confused. Like, well, and I was just remembering what they said, like, ask us to come back. And I'm like, hello, hello, come back. Hello. Like just, I'm just so confused and excited. excited and kind of, I just didn't know what to do. So I just walked back inside and I'm just looking around and I just kind of sit on the couch and I'm like, like, what do I do? Wake up my grandparents and tell them I didn't, I don't know. I didn't think anyone believed me. So I just go lay down and honestly, I don't remember. It was probably like four in the morning and I get maybe an hour and a half of sleep. If I even fell asleep, I think I laid there with my eyes closed and like tried to sleep, but everything was just racing my mind over and over and over and over. And I'm trying to just remember everything. I could have sat there for hours, just replaying this in my head over and over and over. And then I had to go to work. And the first thing I do is I tell my boss, she, I want to say a crazy lady, but you could tell the lady anything. And she'd be like, oh yeah, that's real yep yep that happened and i'm telling her the whole thing and she is just in shock and i'm just telling her everything and she says that was real first of all and you need to write it down so you don't forget it and then i kind of sat there and she's like she gave me a notebook and a pen and said write that all down now and then after i write it down and just go throughout my day, that's pretty much it. And then obviously I've told the story a few times to some friends. Life went on. I met my wife, got married. So forward 10 years, you know, just kind of doing the married thing, moving around. I got two kids and we are in this house and I'm home alone. So my wife is out shopping. My daughter is with her mom, which I had my daughter with another woman. And so I'm just home alone. I'm just scrolling through a streaming app and just trying to find something to watch because I'm bored. And I come across an interesting documentary. And the documentary is about how to summon aliens. And so I'm like, okay, whatever, let's watch this. I mean, I used to watch Ancient Aliens. I don't care. I find everything entertaining. I'll watch anything. So I watch it and then it gets to the end and they're showing all the proof and they, they talk about an app that they have and they say, Oh yeah, you know, just if you don't believe us, just get the app and do it. So, all right. I download the app on my phone and there's like a meditation sequence. There's all these other things you do. You play these tones and do all these things. And I do all that. And I'm expecting something cool to happen. I'm in my living room. Like, I don't know if I expect an alien to walk in the door or I didn't even go outside and just nothing happened. And I'm like, you kind of like send your consciousness out into the sky almost. And like you are pinpointing where you are. So you're, you're imagining you are zooming out from you. You see your street and then you see your city, then you see your state, then your country, then your planet, and then all this, and you're giving your location. Almost like when I was on that park bench a long time ago, when I was kind of like zooming in on those planets saying, come show yourself to me. I'm doing all this. I'm doing all these things. I'm following it to the T, and then it's over and nothing, whatever. I don't know what I expected to show up in my house. So I go to the next show, and I end up eating a snack later, and the night goes on and my wife gets home and she doesn't care about any of this stuff. She doesn't even watch TV. She's never on her phone. You can't even get a call out of her. She doesn't care about the shows I watch or anything like that. And as the night went on, we hung out for a bit. She was doing her things around the house. I never brought it up. Honestly, it wasn't even on my mind at all anyway. It was just a stupid thing I did from an app and whatever. hours went on and I just totally forgot that even happened so that night we go to sleep and probably 2 a.m maybe a little earlier maybe a little later I hear a scream and I turn over and I said what what and my wife says there's an alien in the bathroom and immediately I just think there's an there's just someone in our house I didn't revert back to that show. I didn't, like, my fight or flight just goes on and I just run over there to see if there's someone in the house So like I turn the corner and nothing in there and I looking around so I turn the light on and there still just nothing in there I like what There nothing in here She like there was an alien in there I was like no what what do you what do you mean Were you dreaming? She's like, no. She said, I woke up and saw a red light on the wall, like floating across the wall. And she kind of followed it. And then like, she couldn't yell. she couldn't talk like she was just like following it and when the red light went into the restroom she sees fingers come around the wall and like grab the edge of the wall and then a face come out like as if they like pulled themselves out like and she just sees an alien face and she's just gets incredibly scared and then it goes back and then it takes its fingers back and as soon as it's out of her like visual, like she's able to scream with no hesitation. She just like, she's like, I didn't close my eyes. I didn't go back to sleep. I just screamed. There was no, there was no sort of time lapse. There was no, I didn't fall asleep and then woke up and remember it was just no blink in between. Just the red light was gone. The alien went behind the wall and she just that same moment, she just screamed. So from the scream, maybe three seconds later, I was in the bathroom. And within that time, everything was just gone. And she swears it was real. She can describe it way better than me. Well, my name is Hunter. So this day, completely normal, you know, nothing out of the ordinary, just hung out in the evening with the husband and went to sleep. So I woke up in the middle of the night and I kind of rolled over to the other side and I was then facing the big open doorway to my restroom. And the whole room was illuminated with this faint red light, like red glow. Our shower back then had one of those very thin windows along the ceiling and it looked like there was a red light outside that was bright enough to illuminate the room. I could move and I had freedom of my body, but I felt like I couldn't speak and I kind of just stayed still, just sort of looking at that light. And then from around the corner of this same entrance to the bathroom, I saw these fingers very slowly come outward from behind the wall and just sort of one by one wrap onto that corner. And a figure pulled its head out from there, like pulling itself so that I could see it. It didn't really look any different from what you might expect just based on, I guess, sci-fi. And, you know, I didn't see any ridiculous green skin tones or anything like that, but it was really the head shape was very standard to what I would have imagined. It was terrifying. And so I just kind of stayed and just looked at it. And I had to have just been staring at me for, it felt like two, three minutes. It could have been less, but it felt like such a long time of just making eye contact with this thing um and then just like its hands had wrapped on one by one one by one it looked like it was removing them and putting itself back and then looked very much like stereotypical oblong headed alien figure um the room was dark aside from that red light and at that angle that it was at it was almost silhouetted but i could see that it had you know a darker skin tone it just it was so so creepy it was very very thin um obviously i only saw a hand's head, little tiny bit of the neck. The fingers were elongated and creepy. There were four of them on each hand. I mean, I'm sure there were thumbs on the other end, but it was just the most odd and terrifying sensation. It was the energy that was so terrifying. the just watching for a moment and the slow movement that was what really really freaked me out and after it had I guess retracted and the light then disappeared soon after I just I started screaming I went ballistic husband woke up he didn't know what was going on I told him and then he told me that he did something for summoning aliens earlier that day when I wasn't home and I was furious and terrified and he just did the very like oh well tell me about it and after a little bit just went back to sleep I was so mad it's very like him to do something like that you know he he loves paranormal he loves aliens he he's really interested in every one of those topics and i am as well but kind of on a very surface level where i enjoy hearing him talk about it and get excited but i'm not doing any research on my own so it's very like him to um seek out some sort of connection like that with aliens. There is nobody in this entire world that could convince me that that was a dream. I had full range of motion. I didn't, you know, have this moment where my eyes opened up and I started screaming. It was, I was fully conscious for the entire thing. And there's absolutely no convincing me that I was asleep for that. It was just the strangest, most terrifying experience of my entire life. And he knows that. And he was very apologetic because he didn't know that that was actually going to happen. but I was very very very upset with him I still am I hope he is not still doing stuff like that she was incredibly mad like like I have never really seen her that mad and she was like you did this to me like she was she went through something traumatic and it was my fault like she was like you did this you are never do that ever again don't just scolding me and yeah to this day she still brings it up and i told my buddies about it and i went camping with some buddies and i jokingly told them that i'm gonna they know the story and i was like well i'm gonna do the meditation right now they're like no you better not in our tent overall i think i accidentally summoned that alien that she saw we talk about it and we reflect on it and it's just she knows it was real i know it is just too coincidental like if that happened before the show or like weeks after but it was hours after i don't know i think like i just asked that night for the aliens to come, the first story. And this night with my wife, I asked and they came again. So I just focused all of my intention and all I wanted was something or someone to show themselves to me. And that is, I think when they say, all you have to do is ask, I think that is how you have to ask is you have to want it more than anything. I would say it is the most eye-opening, the most spiritually thing that happened to me. And I wouldn't say it's bad because I mean, it's literally what I asked for. They just gave me what I asked for. I can't be mad now. But out of everything that's ever happened to me, this is one thing that changed my mind to also think more positive because maybe I used to think hey when I die I just close my eyes and I'm just I just cease to exist now I'm pretty sure there's probably more than that because if aliens are possible then why can't other things be possible you know maybe we die and go to a different frequency I don't know I hope there's something more but in all my life I've had a lot of death around me a lot of negative things and this is one thing that in the moment could have been seen as negative to someone who was in their own mind and not like in a trance almost and I'm kind of thankful they put me in a trance because I don't know if I would have been able to control my emotions but this is the only thing in my life that has been crazy, that is giving me like a deeper, happy feeling. Those are the first times in my life that I immediately got the good out of a weird situation, whether that rather than, you know, I've been in a horrific situation and then trying to find the good this, I already know what the good is. And it's, you know, it's spiritually enlightened me a bit. And it let me live I'm not afraid of death because I mean maybe there is something more now I'm just I don't know I just it just solved some curiosities for me that I have always been there like there is more to life there is more to the universe there like there is something I saw it like I don't care what anyone tells me I saw something that night I mean, I'm 32 and I feel like I'm like 60 and all the experiences I've had. But looking back on everything, again, I wouldn't change anything that's ever happened to me. You take one of those experiences away. I'm not here being the person I am. You take away that alien experience. I'd be a totally different person. And, you know, my whole mindset changed. Everything changed. Every little thing led me to today, to this moment. Thank you to Vincent and also his wife Hunter for speaking to me. Obviously, this whole story is really wild. But what struck me the most is how mad Vincent's wife was with him after finding out about all of this. Which is totally understandable, by the way. I would be just as mad. he told me that she was as upset as she would be if he had invited a burglar or an intruder into the house which in a way he kind of did and that is a really validating detail for me in this story and I think it was for Vincent as well even though it seems like it might have landed him in the doghouse for a little bit with that being said maybe no more summoning from now on Vincent at least not in the house. What's especially unique about this story is that this alien encounter or whatever it was might not even be the most extreme thing to have happened to Vincent in his life. I've been thinking a lot about what he told me about his childhood, living in a boxcar, and there was even some more things that we didn't have time to discuss, things he just hinted at. I wanted to hear more about that side of Vincent's life. If you want to hear more as well, I think I'm going to have him on the Patreon this week to chat about it and talk about some things we didn't have time to get to. This episode was called Every Piece in Place, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our producers are Theo Schaefer, Theo Krantz, Hayley Pearson, and Nikki Kate Delgado. Our theme song is by Coberman. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans and Juice Jackal. Our artwork is by Cul-de-sac Studios. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about the show. 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