Shakur Stevenson calls out Ryan Garcia & Devin Haney, talks dominant performance vs. Teofimo Lopez

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Number three, pal for pal, greatest fighter in the world. Undefeated professional record. Multi-division world title. Hottest young fighter on the planet. Fucking right. Just made history in the world's greatest arena. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Shakur Stevenson. Yeah. What up, what up, what up? Welcome to the Joe with Jane, the show, my brother. You put on a hell of a spectacular performance. Now, I've been a, I've been, we fan of boxers. We fancy yours. We had Eddie Earned all year. And after speaking to him and having him on the interview, he may be looking to fight in a different way. But, you know, people love boxing for different things. Some people want to see an excited fight. Some people want to see some crazy stuff happen, this, that. But that, if you learn about the sport, you can learn the difference in different boxes. I was already a fan of yours. When he broke down, what you do and how you do, and if you was to just be you in that fight, what was going to happen? And everything he said, I was in my crib going, holy shit, this is fucking crazy. with is like it made them look like a summa cum laude of boxing. And you put on a spectacular. No, I mean, it's not going to be he's going to be born, but he's is not going to get hit. He's going to meet the other guy and everything. I'm like, yo, this is fucking amazing. How he said, no, I mean, that's maybe that's why he's in his profession. and we do what we do. But congratulations. There's nothing but... Did you play that out just the way it went in your head? I knew it was a tough fight. Like, I knew he was a good fighter. But every time I sat there and watched him, I'm like, shit, he makes so much mistakes to it. I'm going to capitalize off of every mistake. So, honestly, everything I seen on film and how luckily what I was going to do, it happened on fight, man. everything like from first round of 12 I knew like how I was going to be but he a good fighter I give him respect and I appreciate him for the opportunity so respect him but you know I always got out with you he gets tired of being saying the same story all the time famous fight Floyd Mayweather one of the greatest of all time maybe Grace he was losing this fight to some Mexican guy and about the 6 rounds he switched up the whole shit on him and won it at the end when he won he started talking about the old video tooth jack dempsey this dad i had to switch it up like this and this and that where you going there if you play it out of your head suppose he switched up the whole shit on you what would how would you have adjusted to him switching up his own because if i was a boss i would have switched up the whole shit i would have been like okay okay i know he got my number like this i gotta do something different. If I'm being real with you, it's nothing he could have did that night that was going to change the outcome of what I was doing. I already had my mindset on me dominating this fight, me winning this fight. So it didn't matter what he did. I was going to be me. I was going to be coming that night. I thought the way I always think about it, right? I used to say back in the days, the guy was Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson to put you to sleep quick. Yeah. And I always say, yo, if I have to fight Mike Tyson, like, in the street, club, whatever, I got the hook on him so fast that hopefully get lucky. Yo. Nah, I ain't gonna lie. No. That wasn't the best bet. Oh, no, he's gonna knock me out. But if I try to fight with him on box or something like this, I'm done. So, like, the problem with Tia Fimo, right, who's a great boxer, besides his father. His father's a whole problem. It's real talk. His father is not... He got to go. Pop's got to go. Pop's got to go. He was in the corner. I watched the fight. He's in the corner. Yo, fight back. Dude, that's not a plan. I'm saying, no. I'm saying, I'm saying. It's possible to say I'm crazy and shit. See, he was in the other corner, so you probably... No, no, but he's watching. You can't relit. You watching that whole fight. I noticed that about you. No, you watching the corner. His dad was saying the craziest things to him. You're losing. Fight. You're losing. Fight. What the fuck is that? I need somebody to say, left jab, cross. Body, bro. What the fuck is that? My only thing about this, though, when he been doing this, his dad been doing this. T.O.'s been just good enough to be able to get away with this shit. No, no, no. with somebody like you, it had to be, he had to respect somebody's opinion and he had to have a real coach with a game plan. I'm not gonna lie. It wasn't gonna make a difference. I know, but you gotta guarantee anybody. You gotta understand. At least it would have been something because the problem that happened with Tia Fimo, right? He got his ass. Hold up. they gassed him right so he was ring fighter number one fighter in the world he wasn't gassed though he was a good fighter listen to what I'm saying no they gassed him and called him number one he was a good fighter you number one he's thinking he's going jab for jab move for move technique for technique that's what he got it all that's what happened with you fabulous on that versus we never talk about that Fab tried to go in there and put freestyles and all that where he should have just been doing the fucking hit mania he went to your game plan you understand what I'm saying so with you he tried to prove that he believed it yo I got enough skills Shakur Stevenson I could go jab for jab he fucked up he should have went in there and tried to like rough you up or something but he's used to having enough skills to where he fight guys and he's in control like he's used to doing things stats like he's well every now and then you gotta elevate just like we gotta elevate every now and then you gotta look at yourself him I'm hoping he's a he's a great fighter he can look at it whether he can't fuck with you or not he gotta he gotta look at his corner and he needs to step up that every now and then fuck that you gotta let him finish too what's up with Bud how important was Bud to you for this fight and your career, period. Yo, it's crazy. He kind of gave me like... I ain't going to say he gave me the gameplay, but he kind of texted me something that kind of helped. That's official. So when he texted to me and I looked at what he said, but I've been watching him and I already was thinking the same thing, it kind of confirmed what I knew. So I'm like, okay, just stick with this. Stick with this on fight night and it's going to bother him. And then on fight Nate, when I did that shit, I'm like, damn, this shit is fucking him up. He cannot stop this shit. This shit is bad. He didn't know what to do. Like, his mind just went into a hole. I'm going to tell you how you really fuck me. Then you land the most amount of jabs. I don't know. I'm going to tell you where to fuck me up. If I was Tia Fimo, I'd tell you where to fuck me up. You smiling the whole. That shit would have had me. Dumb type. you smiling on shit like that I would have been I would have had to bring the machete out in the ring fuck it, the whole place is going down in that bitch that shit, you smiling at him busting his ass now with with a fight, like it's no it's not a he landed 252 jacks holy shit somebody make some noise for that I thought I landed that most in my last fight it was 230 something street fight 230 something 232 jabs I don't believe that it's a long ass I believe you raced cocky car up the block faster than the 230 jabs you know I once beat up a karate king you see your man I'm not saying that. You're kidding me? I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. No, no, no. I put some niggas down, too. Knock them out. Yo, Yonkers. I touched the pavement. What were you talking about? Yo, you on your shit today. He must have smoked some shit. He still got Cali. I'm fasting. He still got Cali weed. I'm fasting, brother. You fasting? I love you. Man, that's great. Man, I fast, too. I fast. You ever seen Fat Fat Joe? 500 pounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the real fucking fucking looking like the kingpin. Lean back. Yeah, I lost all that shit fast once a week, Keto. You know, I'm pitching the shutout, man. No glizzies. I'm doing just fine. What's going to hit at the game tonight? Tuna fish salad. I'm not in. Oh, thanks for going for that. Go diet Pepsi? Maybe. Yeah, yeah. I snuck in the diet, sunk just here too. That's part of the, I'm leaning back. I'm going light, but I'm getting back on the stuff. It's bad. But, you know, I'm working on it. You know, you see, I'm drinking water. You know what I'm saying? In any case, I seen something and we know it. I don't care where it's at, where you go, whatever. When a Puerto Rican see that flag somewhere, I don't care if I'm driving in the highway and there's a flag out the project window. It's something. It's like the Batman side. Ask the brother, why did you put the Puerto Rican flag on your shorts? See, I put it on my shorts because people don't realize I am. That's my blood. You're Puerto Rican. Yeah, that's my blood. Yes! Stop! But let me explain it, though. Nah let me explain it though Let me explain it though My dad Knew you had that Where did he Let me explain My dad is Puerto Rican So I never really But I never really got to really be around him Like my entire life He wasn't in my life So forget it It was hard to like really Claim that I'm Puerto Rican Or even say it Cause like I really am But I don't know my dad But when I got to meet him then I got to like build a relationship with him he died so it was like I never really kind of you feel me so for me it was hard to really like have that like just embrace it but now I'm like fuck it it is what it is part of my blood is part of who I am and let it be known and we popping B fuck talking you got a new cousin right here you know we in the fluidity cap nah let me tell you something man I was so proud of that flag on there But sometimes you got black boxes that grew up with so many Puerto Ricans that when you go to the gym, they'll have a Puerto Rican flag. Like even Floyd used to have the Puerto Rican flag, Rihanna, but he wasn't Puerto Rican. But when I seen that, I said, man, I got to see what this about right here because we need that in the system. You know, we, you know, Puerto Ricans, my moms and pops, my moms used to throw a party if it rains. Yeah. My projects? It raining OK bring out the penning It all out here Salsa Wednesdays Like them niggas They throw a party for everything But in a similar way my father Cuban Yeah But I grew up with the Puerto Ricans up here My Cuban family was more in Miami. Yeah. And so a lot of Cuban fans be like, yo, you say you Cuban now, but you wasn't really, you was like 100% Puerto Rican. I always knew my Cuban family, but I grew up with my Puerto Ricans, say 90% of my life, 95. Like me? Yeah, like you. but we proud of you brother either way man you are pound for pound the best in the game and the only guy I would compare to be the best in the game would be Bud and he retired and I don't feel like you ducking nobody I see you you start smiling at him you ducking him what so with Conor Ben oh man is he good or is he hype cause he look mean nah I think it's hype he's not like no skillful fighter he's not he don't know shit his knowledge is limited his game plan will be to just use size like use size and bully me or some shit but like as far as knowledge and skill and all of the shit that I've been working on since fucking Yeha he don't have that he don't know what that is it's a cool fight but it's levels Let me tell you. Levels. He always say, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I knew you was going to be something special. I seen a clip of you young. Yeah. You lost. Yeah. The ladies interviewing you, you answering, but your past you was like. Kind. Yeah. I'm like, this thing, you know, this, he got a different type of, he's a different type of animal, though, from a little, from a young'un like that. it was so passionate to him like he's gonna be the chance he's gonna be one of them ones yeah for sure when it meant so much to you at that age you knew what winning was that's why you're here with you right now I appreciate that I felt something you know all the great ones I ain't gonna lie you had um you walked a fighter out that I fought and I remember I'm in the ring and your song came on, that shit came out of fire. I was nervous as hell. I'm like, oh! It was Jamel Henry. Oh, yeah. He walked out and I forgot what song you play. I'm like, the arena went crazy. It didn't work out well. Nah, I whooped his ass. But I was nervous. I'm like, oh, shit. They came out like... So actually, that plays a part in the psyche. Nah, it don't really play a part. But at that moment, it felt like damn he kind of outdid me right now like you know we the first rappers to ever bring a boxer in the ring we ever ever ever me and big pump we brought out felix trinidad against delahoya ever damn i ain't even know that and so we performed dead in the middle of little lip me and big pump when we came out we seen the eyes in that arena they was like yo at the time we the most popping we got the you know he's still my idol uh philix trinidad and man what a fucking honor that shit was so anyway huh he beat he beat de la hoia you know de la hoia do a lot of weird shit now but he he ain't duck nobody and he was a great champion and so we gotta salute him but now he's like you know he's like all the gangster niggas like i watched instagram and all of gangsta niggas I used to respect look crazy on the Instagram. You be like, yo, I thought this was the realest ever. This nigga looking like a dodo bird right now. I didn't feel bringing YFN Luchi out. Oh, nah, it was amazing. I love that. Because like his story and shit, like, I think it was more so like the respect level was kind of there. And I fuck with him, actually. I like when I meet people like y'all, like, y'all famous, but y'all like level-headed. Regular people, like, I'm gonna have a conversation with y'all type shit. I can. What you mean? No, no, like any nigga or girl that think they too much. Yeah. I'm allergic. Yeah. If I go to, if I go Bruno Mars, Bruno Mars half Puerto Rican. When I went to him, I went up to the... Fuck Bruno, man. Fuck Bruno. He's like, fuck, man. You touch the motherfucking nerve. I went up to him like, yo, we at the war show I'm like yo you Puerto Rican he was like yo I'm a real Puerto Rican don't ever ask me no shit my dad from Bushwick this and that he got up he definitely was high like on some other shit and I waited my whole life to meet Bruno Mars cause he's half Puerto Rican and that man let me down so bad and I seen Julie Greenwald she tried to check me like you know he signed to them and she was like yo Joe I said you know that boy must have been on some shit because I'm telling you what he did. Yeah. I ain't going to get up here and tell you what Bruno Mars did and he ain't do it. That motherfucker, he bugged out. But, um... Nah, that's like, Luccio, Luccio was a good person. Like, y'all kind of remind me of, like, that energy. I don't do it. And if somebody's full of shit and all that, I walk the other way, I look the other way, I don't even want to be on the line. Yeah, I don't fuck with them niggas. So we go on that, we go All-Star weekend, and we going into the game and some celebrities who think, yo, I don't know what y'all think. Let me tell you something. We all human. Yeah. God is the greatest. Yep. And we, you know, if you like me, you came from shit. Fact. From nothing. Welfare. Rich. Rich. So we can't, you can't tell me about my struggle and your struggle. All right, fine. We all the same kind of people. If you, I tell people all the time, I be like, yo, Joe, you humble. I'm like, how am I supposed to be? Yeah. Because I don't know how to be another way. I don't even like people like that. I don't like celebrities that treat people like shit. I don't like celebrities that think they better than everybody. That shit there is the biggest turn off I've ever seen in the world. You would be the most beautiful girl in the world. You think your shit don't stink. Go over there. Don't come by this smelling great guy. Yo, what's up with the side war trumps? fire fire fire nah it was a great collab and I enjoyed doing business with them I actually got to meet them they came by the hotel and they showed a lot of love so I appreciate them too we put together a great fit for this fight and as the fights go on I'm gonna keep getting better with my fits and everything so hopefully bring kiss out oh you wanna come out now you was fucking performing for Darren Grant he got his ass knocked through the fucking rope he got his ass knocked through the rope fuck around Darren Grant let me tell you something nah the man come out he gotta come out with that shit you pussy you did your cousins when you come out for him you gotta do that one right there it's national TV it's a fan that's great shout out my brother Edgar Balanga that's my brother right there man that's my brother he always try to come out to my lifestyle and the TV always say he can't do it I got a song called y'all wanna it's too gangster oh and they won't let him no sir because you gotta send the lyrics right no sir they won't let him nah they wouldn't let him they wouldn't let him he tried 20 fights to come out to my lifestyle they be like nah we can't it's too much killing and shit it's Edgar my dog though I ain't gonna lie that's my dog how important is giving back to the community shit that shit mean everything um I enjoy like the kids that's like coming up in a situation that I'm coming up with like for me I had like bought tickets for them and they kind of got publicized I usually don't do it it's to do it publicly do it I usually I done been doing this like for years and years but um now for me where it's like with the kids it's like I just want to show them like it's possible And that's my main thing, showing them like, you come from nothing. You come from the slums, but you still can get out of that situation with hard work and dedication. And I try to show them me right there in front and see like, OK, yeah. This is hope. This is live. I'm not sure if he's a Hall of Famer, but Dave Winfield from the Yankees. Shout out Dave Winfield. We used to get in Yankee Stadium with the Dave Winfield Foundation. I seen that man. It was at a Jordan party in L.A. and I dove on his car. I was like, yo, Dave Winfield. He knew who I was too. He is a Hall of Famer. I dove on his car. Yo, I used to go to Yankee game because of you. Did you fuck his car? No. But what I'm trying to tell you, we talking about, it was one of the most humbling things I ever did because I lost my mind. This man used to give us tickets to our community center to go to Yankee Stadium. For us, Yankee Stadium was like just winning, seeing green grass. The Bronx ain't got green grass. We got the brown shit. You go on Yankee Stadium, that shit. Bronx ain't got green grass. Yeah, I got that same shit. The brown shit. The brown shit. You go on Yankee Stadium, that shit green. It's a vibe in there. So, you know, shout out to all the athletes that do that. You know, it's crazy. I was just with the philanthropy team. I'm working on something really, really big. And you know what's crazy is just now I was walking over here. I just met with the Mike Brinkley note and I And I said to myself, walking over here, I said, this is why God bless you. Because you're always thinking about the community. You're always thinking about the people. And there is no price tag. There is nothing. You know what I'm saying? If we could definitely help and feed people in our community and all that, that's the biggest thing you could do in the world. Yeah, that was my thing with it, too. It's like I never really had nobody to come back to Newark and like stand in front of me and see like, like I always heard of like, and there's no disrespect to Shaq. I fuck with Shaq. He from Newark. But I always heard about Shaq being from Newark. And I heard about his, I used to go to his movie theater and all that shit. But I never really got to see him like up close and personal to be like, okay, it's possible. Like I could keep doing what I'm doing. but now for me it's like shit I gotta do that for the kids like I got to like that's my main objective in life like let them know like you can get up out of there like and that's where it's at you know you pass away God willing 150 years from you and the pastor's gonna say all your achievements in the ring but they really gonna talk about how you help the people yeah motivate the people give back to the people they're not gonna say yo he had a rose voice they're not gonna talk all that shit. And you're going to talk about what you do for the people, how you inspired the community, how you helped the people, how you gave back. That right there to me is everything. You know, I've been doing that. I've been rapping, what, 30-something years? A little bit longer. I've been doing this for a while. And whether it's a little thing like giving computers to school or giving whatever, I lend a hand in all the time. I've got something real big coming in this year, philanthropy really big coming. How the hell did you get into pickleball? Oh, man. Marty Supreme. Is that Marty Supreme pickleball? Nah, I tell you how I got into pickleball. Huh? That's ping pong, man. Nah, nah, nah. I got into it with J. Prince. Oh, word? No count. J. Prince. OG's nice and pickleball. He nice, I swear to God. But he introduced me to pickleball. When he introduced it to me, I'm like, it's aight but then I kept playing I'm like man I gotta get better at this shit I don't like how he better than me like he older and he way better than me so much shit I kinda got like a little obsessive about it and I started playing like for my free time and shit but it's actually a fun ass game yo today's show is brought to you by our presented sponsor Hard Rock Bet Florida Sportsbook you know what I mean I know it's tough out here with no football, but don't worry, we gonna make. With Hard Rock Bet, there's always something to bet on every night. Hoops, hockey, and so much more. Plus, all the great same-game parlay action, live betting, and the player prop options you already know and love. Yo, did you even know Hard Rock Bet, the official sport betting partner of the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic? I knew that. So they know their basketball like we know the streets. 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From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch, and Visit Myrtle Beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How do you get tight with Jay Prince, coming from Newark and he's from out in Texas? really Andre Ward cause you know Andre Ward Andre Ward was my favorite boxer so I used to go to his training camps and shit but he was managing I mean J Prince was managing Andre Ward at the time and I met him through him but then it's another guy Antonio Leonard that's like my family now and he introduced me to J for real for like outside of Oakland we went to Houston I met him in a club and I got actually yo it's crazy I probably was like, what, 17, 18. I'm not supposed to be in the club. But I go through there and they like, shit, you good. You with J Prince. And they take me to a back room and shit. He in a back playing pool with one hand. I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there. He cool as hell and shit. But then I just got to conversate with him. And as I got to meet him more and more, like he a real nigga. Like that's a real nigga. Like I fuck with that nigga. legend. He sure is. That's my family for real. He's a legend. He's super real. He opened many doors and he got his own island. Oh yeah, I done for sure I done been there. I use it. I tell them all the time. I don't get jealous. I get inspired. For sure. So when people that look like us get to certain levels, I look at that like, I'll tell you the truth. I'm going to admit something. I don't know if I can ever own an island. Yo, owning an island Ludacris on the island, too. Yeah, that nigga. I see the rat All-Star. He said, man, you're always blowing me up. He on the island. How you on the island? J Prince on the island, man. Yeah. That's crazy, though. Like, think about it. I don't own a lot of things. I don't know. God willing, God bless. I don't know if I'm on an island. Like, an island is like, that's crazy. No, for sure. Boxers, you said Andre Ward inspired you. Who's some other boxers that inspired you? And they ain't got to be your way of fighting, just boxes that you always looked up to. Floyd Mayweather, Terrence Crawford, Pennell Whitaker, Shigure Leonard. Man, I fuck with Usyk. I like Usyk right now. Like Usyk, Bavar. I like them overseas dudes. they kind of know boxing at a different level kind of shit. You know, I'm the Tyson Fury of hip hop. You the Tyson? Oh, yeah, Tyson Fury. You know, I'm flabby. You know, I ain't got no muscles, but I knock you out. Like, don't play with me. See, the biggest misconception with Fat Joe is Fat Joe, you think he going to bear hug you? No, I'm coming with the fluidity. I'm coming with that diddy bop on you, boy. I'm like a fat skinny guy. I'm not going to grab you. we just gonna go pound for pound toe to toe. Anybody touch the canvas, you lost. So you got hands. I used to have hands. I'm not gonna front like I got hands now. I had hands. He got a bad leg. We go project against project. Okay? Project against project. They say bring out your best guy. I'm not lying to you. They bring out Fat Joe. And then they bring out some cock diesel guy from the other product. I'm like, yo, I'm just fat. Why I got to fight this guy? You got a motherfucker six backed up. I got him every time. Let me tell you, I had that fluidity. You was undefeated? Huh? You was undefeated? No, I got my ass whipped a million times. Are you crazy? But that's why I don't want to stand. Right? I don't want to stand. I knew this guy. Fake gangster guy. Huh? Talking to Tom and Fallon. Let me tell you, I'm a street guy. real street guy respected by the legends in the street only thing I did was rap right and there's some guys that people respected and they were gangsters did a little time whatever and they was running around here like they tough they got they ass whipped one time and never came back outside I don't know where that happens I used to come outside every day with black eyes big nose big I don't give a fuck these guys retired like so called like so-called tough guys. They acting like you know who you are. You got your ass whipped. You ain't come back outside. You pussy. Nah, we can't. We making too many legends out there because you making me call bum niggas out and giving them a name in the street. And they're like, yeah. You know niggas is famous for getting their ass whipped by Fat Joe, too. You walking. Rich player there. There's places. Look, I love all of you. I respect all the legends, all the street guys. but there's places where the old school street guys go you know it's like cheers where yo this is taco 147 this the god jayim still to this day there's bars that you could go and everybody who has something going on go and any given sunday you walk in there and be like yo that's uh andy the guy fat joe beat the shit out of and he press charges on him there's always one and every one of those joints you walk in wrist player walked in it was like yo don't look now the guy who told on Joey when he beat him up. You know, that was 30 years ago, Rich. Please don't stare at him. This, this, that. You know, it's people you beat up. And, you know, they become legends because you beat them up. Who's the toughest fighter you ever fought? Toughest fighter I ever fought? Probably, uh, Williams Zepeda. Williams Zepeda. The Mexican that I fought on the card with Edgar. That night, yeah. Dude. Yeah, I see. He was fighting you. Dude was tough. I ain't going to lie. That was a tough fight. He was willing to do whatever it took to win a fight. So, that let me know, like, yeah, you was tough. But, I mean, I dominated, but shit. It was me. Other niggas, they'll feel like niggas. Like, they going to understand that that nigga, he a real gangster. Like, no bullshit. He coming in there. He stepping. I don't care who it is. He coming with that shit. What's the next? outside the ring for you? Outside the ring? Nah, I be messing with my young fighters. So, shout out to Zay Quinn Moses and Emmanuel Chance. My little cousin. Not my little blood brother, but like my little brother. But they fighting in April. And that's going to be next. That's what I'm really going to be focused on. Helping them get ready for their fights and making sure they well prepared that night. No doubt. That's fine. I met Tank like he was 12. He was down with Floyd Mayweather. Yeah. He was a baby. Yeah. And he was like, yo, that's going to be the one that's going to be the one. And he mentored him up to, you know, he became the man. Why are you looking at me like that, Jaden? I'm just looking at you, my brother. This guy, he's a funny dude, bro. Let me tell you something. So that was your toughest fight. is there any breakage you're out to to break? Is there anything that you got your eye on that you like yo I gotta have that? That's something I need to do? They fucked up what I really could have did but I was I was gonna have two belts in one weight class and I wanted to be able to like go really do what I wanted but they stripped me out of my belt at 135 pounds really for no reason but Is that like a money? Is that like some fake extortion shit going on? Yeah, it is. It is. It is. It's like. Break that down. Both of y'all break it down because I'm confused. When you win a belt. I got to learn. I'm trying to learn. When you win a belt, you got to pay to be able to keep your belt. So I paid. Not in free. Not in free. Then keep one more. Yeah, yeah. No, what they did to me is fucked up because when I fought Williams to pay for the 135 title, I paid them after the fight. After that, I got moved up for the Teofimo fight at 140 pounds. They belt don't got nothing to do with that fight. But they're asking me for double of what I paid them after my last fight. You won that fight. For me to go up to 140 pounds and keep my belt. I got to pay double. That shit don't need. But they really got mad at Terrence Crawford. They had a real beef with them and then they tried to take it out on me. But I really don't even like speaking on that shit. It is what it is. Yeah, yeah. It's similar to the Hollywood Walker Fink breaking news, guys. I hate to tell you how you pay for that, guys. You request. Can I get the star? You pay. I don't know the fence. I don't know the father's shots. You know when you get a star? You don't. It ain't like you won the Grammy. You copped it. It ain't like you didn't know that. How to time a felon. They ain't teach you that. You got to pay for the star. Then you got to pay a housekeeper to keep your shit up the bar. you can't come through and sign your own star for no reason by the way you buy that shit so when they be like oh I'm surprised how did I ever win the star and you gotta pay more taxes on hell nah they gonna get mad at me cause it ain't like you pull up you know you pull up and you be like oh my god they be acting like that let's go half on one fuck that does somebody wanna sponsor my star out there Let's go have one to start. On the Joe and Jada star, can someone... You know we legendary, by the way. I don't know if you know fuck rap. You need to start. This show right here is killing these people. Like, they want to commit suicide. We should hand out Razor Blades and Sinai to the other podcasters. They're getting their ass whipped. This shit is turnkey. We open the door, and now, look, Shakur's season, A$AP Ferg was just on. Dr. J was on. the game. It's standing room only. In fact, we have a list of people we love and we respect. I heard other podcasters say, yo, it's hard to get on. Well, we don't. We have a list of A1 celebrities standing by. Like, put me in, coach. Put me in the game. If me and him got it, yeah, he's cool. I only heard him say one time, hell no. That was my man, too. I ain't gonna say it. You want me to say it? You want me to say it? Oh, you don't want me to say it. That motherfucker was like, hell no. I was almost like, oh, my God. What did he do to Kiss? It was a rapper? Yeah. Then he's just like, he's not coming on. I said, whoa. Damn. Kiss ain't fucking with him. Let me just chill. I guess it's... No, Kelly's great. We got to give her props. She just left. no you kiss man he not being realistic and listen let me tell you something I'm proud of everybody on this staff and the contributions y'all bring to the game because if me and kiss just did this on our own we definitely wouldn't have had this kind of fluidity no matter what we could have hired cameraman we could have this this whatever but the way that shit coming in, like I said, turnkey. You guys, this, at first they was trying to compete, now they like, yo, let them have it. This shit out of control. Like, these guys, we might bring the Pope on this shit. This shit out of control right here. Well, you was with Obama, so you're going to make that happen first. Let me tell you about the Obama. Okay? Obama don't know how many Spanish people I made vote for Obama before he was famous. okay when Obama's coming up I'm out there in every Spanish community vota por Obama Obama buena gente this this this I went beyond beyond he will ever know trying to get the Spanish the Latino community to vote for I know his wife I met her 10 times I never met Obama I wanted if you go to any rich person house I don give a fuck who the real rich the minute you walk in they got Ronald Reagan they got Trump they got Clinton they got that's the biggest flex in any 20 million plus mansion they got a president picture with them right there I got a bunch of presidents I got Bill Clinton with the T.S.'s on. He's in a little bit of an island scandal. But we chilling. We took him off the wall for now. Right? Yo, yo, yo! Yo, yo, yo! But Obama always wanted that pick. The moral to the story is, I ain't gonna lie to you. Puerto Ricans are really black. Maybe. Puerto Ricans are all black. I'll break that down to you. That's a fact. There's black people that speak Spanish. Paul Mooney said the best. Google this clip. Paul Mooney said they really niggas that talk Spanish that's all it is for sure that's it and so I go up to I said when I'm when I'm checking in they go Obama in there I don't give a fuck if they have 500 I was getting that pick with Obama I don't give a fuck I don't know nothing I just had to walk up with the fluidity the secret service all the niggas moved out the way like hey Joe how are you I said yeah I said Mr. President His wife embraced me. Yo, he's our guy, Fat Joe. I don't even know him. Obama knew who Fat Joe was like that. Miss Obama was putting in like, yo, he's our guy. Right? Thank you, Miss Obama. Yo, let's take a pick. By the time I turned around, Obama kept trying to smile for a pick. Every basketball seven-footer was jumping right away. Hey, Mr. President. Hey, I mean, it was their shit. About 10 of them, it turned into rich play. had to like start like yo my mans y'all don't move the fuck out the way like we got to get this pic it was only a second before the secret service was like yo enough enough like and I wasn't gonna get my pic every seven foot it jumped in front of me like I was like yo what type of shit everybody wanted that joint but I got it I got it you know what I'm saying I waited 20 years for that but I was definitely going straight in that oh Garcia versus body oats. He looking like he back in his bag a little, right? Yeah, tell him get in his bag so we can fight. And you want to fight him? I want to fight all these guys. You name him, I fight him. Yeah, I think we can make a fight happen. I think that might be next, but Ryan... People would love to see that. Man, it's the same fucking shit that y'all already know. Take away the fucking left hook. You take away his left hook, he's cooked. Move this way. Just take it away. You know, last time I had to fucking dude up, I said, yo, I'm talking shit. Ryan Garcia and my man, let me ask you the question. Let me ask you the question. What's my man and I'm a fan of his, right? You got to know his name. You know, I don't know shit, man. What the fuck is your problem? You know, I'll explain him and you'll tell me who, but I know him. Devin Haney, right? Yeah. Ever since he got touched, he been fighting scared. That is not a lie. That is not nothing he's doing. He's still so talented to beat these guys, but he been, somebody rung his belt to where the man not the same. He not the same after, even though he won the belt, even though he won the last two, three fights, even though this, he's fighting scared. I don't like that. I don't, what do you think about Devin Haney? I think that a scared man is a man that's kind of hard to beat sometimes. Damn. Because when they scared, their scariness can help them out in the ring. So, I mean, I think he's a solid fighter. He's not a bad fighter. So, he definitely knows what he's doing. His dad going to make sure he comes in shape. So, if they want to make it happen, I'm down. But I know for that. Oh, shit. I didn't know we was out here brokering fights. Hard Rock Bet. Yo, Devin Haney, what's up? Hard Rock Bet. Yo, Devin Haney. But it got to... You been called out, beloved. It got to make sense. So as long as the business and everything makes sense with it, we can make the fight happen. Now I don't respect your answer because I think you want to fight him for the big payday. Nah, it ain't the payday. It's the fact that at the end of the day, me and him is not at the same weight class. So it got to make sense. I would have to go up You gotta come down Oh really Cause now people Kinda overrate That big fights Need belts And big fights Don't need belts Sometimes you can meet In the middle so I ain't never I would love I would love to see that Canelo and Floyd I respect that fight Canelo and Floyd They fought at 152 Music What music motivates you Give me a little Five playlist It ain't gotta be The greatest of all time You in the locker room You getting ready For prime time You got I don't give a fuck what they say. They big on MMA. They acted like boxing fell off, but when boxing got a fight, it's must-see TV. Every barn, every bar, every gym, I don't give a fuck. Where you at, you watching that shit. As much as you try to diss boxing, what are you playing in your headphones or in your locker room? I'm probably playing like some Meek or probably some 50. Oh, Jay-Z. Tupac Kiss Hurt I'll be going to do different kind of music so last time I knocked the nigga out I was playing Nori what what what what what what what what what what what what we driving up to the one on one what what what what yo I told a story I had to fight a guy. He was on America's Most Wanted. So we had to... Man, come on. He's not lying. He's not lying. He's not lying. I got a hundred... He's telling it. There's no flag. It's real shit. He was on America's Most Wanted. He ain't lying. Fat Joe out of shape. I had to fight this guy to eliminate the... You know, the real... You know what I'm saying? So they was like, yo, you got to fight him. The guy was cocked, diesel, and shaped and everything. Man, I pulled up with that. you fucking with Joe Craig man I don't want to violate cause he was the perfect gentleman about it he was a perfect gentleman about it but I pulled up he saw Rich lately and he said yo man I like you he didn't say my name but you know what it takes to fight a guy on America's Most Wanted and you're a famous rapper imagine if I got my ass whooped that shit would have went beyond violence you would have been on America's you knocked him up i beat him up bad like bad right it was just the boy my fluidity was a little bit you know but i thought i was gonna lose how about that oh yeah that's how it go i come from my brother anybody i know we too old for somebody who grew up with us no i wasn't i'm never scared ever ever ever ever one time i had an argument with a promoter in in Paris and he brought in like 10 African dudes they locked the door like I'm locked up I got up and was like yo let's get in poppin my DJ always tell me that story he said yo crack the dudes came up in there with the gloves and all that and all I remember is you got up and you was like yo so what we doing let's get it poppin in this bitch I've been fighting my whole life the point is I thought he was gonna win cause he's in perfect shape I'm really fat fat joke. But I come from watching my brother and my brother. I got a story for y'all. I can't tell a story. Gotta finish this one. I come from whoever gets knocked out gets knocked out. So I stand toe to toe. You knock me out. Nothing I can do. Congratulations. I knock you out. It is what it is. That's it. Toe to toe. I used to watch my brother fight guys toe to toe. Whoever got knocked out got knocked out. It wasn't no bullshit. I'll tell you a funny story. So nobody believes me, right? Nobody believes me. I keep trying to tell them. We was the wildest kids in our age group, but we had no money. So the kingpins at the time, before I became kingpin, kingpins at the time used to come and get fat Joey to beat up the guys they had beef with. So they'll come and be like, yo, we got a Pele for you. We got three pair Jordans. We need you to put it on these guys, right? So this one kingpin who was like ahead of his time, he used to wear Hermes boots, all type of shit. He'd come get me. He'd say, yo, Joe, I got a problem. I'm going to buy you a Pele. That was a cheap hire too. It was like three pair Jordans, a Pele. Come on. And I never cared. I really never cared about human. I really didn't care, right? So I'm with him. I go over and I'm going to tell you that, Av, y'all. It was 182nd and Creston. And little did I know. Dope, blah. No, no, big dope. So I go over there. He start arguing with the guy. Now, sometimes, no matter how kingpin, no matter how much dudes you kill, my man Stacey in jail still for 37 years because they knew he was a killer, but they fronted on him in this building and he couldn't take it. So he went over there, emptied it out on his own hood. Sometimes you don't want to do that to the guy you grew up with and they take advantage of that. So I go over there and I'm like, this guy's such a kingpin. I'm like, he could just kill this guy. Why is he even arguing with him? But he's from that block. So the guy's talking to him. The guy don't even think about me. He's not even looking my way. He's like, yo, this, this, that arguing with him. And I punched that guy in his chin so hard. He went up. Fluidity on the floor, over the bike. Boom! I'm like, I'm flubby fat, Joe. I'm like this. he fall over the bike I knock him out lucky I'm gonna give it to y'all now 180 second I'm breaking the myth hold up lucky I knock him out so the guy I go with is pushing me like Joe let's go Joe let's go yo Joe let's go he's taking me to the concourse and I'm still trying to front he's like let's go he throw me in the cab I get out of there little do I know that this guy was four-time Golden Glove champ. The guy I knocked out. Damn. And the man for 20 years been sending me, I mean, he's old now, but he was sending me messages to tell Fat Joey, you owe me the fair one. Tell Fat Joey, yo, did he throw his shit up? No, I snuffed him. Oh, you got him. Blindsided. Cheated. Whatever the fuck you want. Over there, they was like, in his hood? Yo, but Fat Joe got his. He knocked out. Stock on 137. The man is a four-time fat joke. All squared up one-on-one. They was telling... I got a question for y'all. He begged every human being that knew me for 20 years, like, please. I got a question for y'all. Do y'all still be going to the studio nowadays? He does. He there every day. I'm going after this. Okay, nah. I just was asking because I know once I'm done boxing, I don't know if it's going to be hard and shit to stay out of the gym. Nah, you're going to go. this is their lifestyle it's their lifestyle yeah you know bust around stay in the fucking studio every day for the rest of his life I don't know how to explain it to you yeah the studio is $3,000 a night shit like that you don't own your own studio yeah he got his own studio yeah yeah it's like talk that shit there's got a fireplace you know what I'm like in it yeah yeah you got your own I don't have a studio the next generation or like yeah yeah yeah I hope no actually in the work to do one of the labels want me to start you know developing some of the young talent yeah I think that's the smartest shit job in my portfolio about that I think I think that would be great yeah now you know you get them to kick that shit yo we appreciate you brother this ain't that that ain't this it's cracking kiss make some noise for Shakur Stevenson baby bye y'all buddy the face of boxing jersey in the building shout out to Newark shout out to H-Town too shout out to the Soul Food Joint Pixie Meals I've been watching them they got the turkey chops out there in Newark they got the turkey boy this is the biggest night in podcasting the countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart podcast Awards. 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