Ep 584 - The Buzz Man (feat. Marcus King)

Wow Wow West hey welcome everybody Marcus King what's going on? What's up? You're just telling me about the big mighty band Yeah, we got the whole crew coming down for tomorrow. Yeah, that's awesome. It should be out tomorrow actually Yeah, the the non cost-effective Group yeah, yeah the wall of sound got the horns BGV strings Thanks, you got to move every so you just fly every single person down for sure I never really thought about that. Yeah, I think the strings and the BGVs are local cool But my fiddle players coming down from Nashville and my horns are flying in That's awesome. It's gonna be fun. It's gotta feel powerful to know you have a bunch of like What do they call Trump not Trump? What is a horn player called like a hornist or like? Horniest yeah, what do they call it? I guess a trumpet here. We just call him horn players Horn players there you go my bad show my fucking ass already The saxophonist my thing is knowing if I knew I was like moving brass players through the sky I would feel pretty powerful about that. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a nice feeling. It's awesome All right. Well, I thought it's cool Now that's awesome dude, I'm fucking stoked for you so you just released the the album darling blue. Yeah, the album's out It's nice on him and I was blasting in my house. Good. Thanks. Yeah, it's awesome dude fucking rips I you might be one of the biggest ax man currently right now Man, I mean who else can tread like you I'm sure there's plenty That's true. There's a lot of but you know, I mean I guess yeah There's a lot of quiet guys just kind of noodling in their room just like myself, but dude Billy you you and Billy are fucking Billy's really playing some some wild stuff. Yeah, Billy's been studying like almost like classical. Yeah style with his Scientologist Yeah, Billy takes guitar lessons and yeah, it's he studies from a Scientologist who kind of like just peppers in a little Scientology every now and again on him. I mean, that's the way to do it like Chick-a-rea was a Scientologist really and my keyboard player was like a big Chick-a-rea fan When he went to go see him, you know, he said he hit him with a little just a little dab Just a little dab of Scientology at the end there. I'm so scared I'm so scared of Scientology. Yeah, it freaks me out. Yeah, I feel like the better you do in this industry like It's it's kind of looming Scientology. It's around the corner. Yeah The only thing I would like about it is just kind of making my wife do it with me Yeah, be kind of fun. Just like now we're scientists. She's like really to go to church now And I could just completely dash her Christian dreams with New World Satanism so It'd be pretty nice Dude, like what if instead of all this being nice stuff? He just became as successful as possible and forgot all this shit. I mean I should do that Actually make a read fucking science fiction from the 1950s. Yeah, this is what we're into now True get both my daughter's clear dude. Yeah Dude, we're going clear Have you do you know any people have have you ever been approached with the yes or no? No, I've been asked about some other weird shit like what? Just been invited to like Like get togethers like out in the redwoods. Whoa, I'm like I'm cool What's a get the kid? What do you mean? I could get like a Like a naked, you know Kenny Loggins allegedly played live from the Redwoods to agate the naked crowd to a naked crowd I could just be folklore, but that's what I've heard We call it Kenny Loggins on the road like me and my keyboard player like You know when you're on the road like food is It's always kind of sporadic what you're putting in your body And like if you're drinking a lot too, so like if we're having like solid dumps, we'll call it. We call those Kenny Loggins But if you if you're not then it's called the Messina So you're either logins or Messina on any given day But yeah, my I I can fly For one day and eat one meal if as soon as I hit the road instant diary, it's every time instant diarrhea My ass is a mess. I have baby wipes in my school bag that I always forget about Yeah, and I get home and I like go to I always I get the check from the comedy club I give it to my wife and every time I open up for the check I go fuck I had baby wipes this whole time right could have used those but Tour bus must be crazy just a bunch of bros bunch of bros it starts smelling about two days in It's a it's a weird combo of smells and you could never really Track it down to one person so it's hard to go to somebody and be like hey man, you know your hygiene's a problem Yeah, because there's 12 bonks. So it's like 12 combinations of odor So you gotta walk by each one and kind of well it just kind of the whole collective Have you ever confronted somebody for their hygiene on the bus? I have How does that go? I usually do it in a more passive way I had a keyboard player one time. I just bought deodorant for I was just like hey man. I got you this He just kind of you know lightly approach it. Yeah, that's that's how yeah, you handled you handled the keyboard player like a teenage daughter kind of Yeah, I got you some deodorant. Yeah You're so beautiful, but You might want to you might want to try this starting to funk That's kind of tight. So how's this uh How's this run been versus other runs in terms of the tour? Do you ever like get back to a city and just realize like Maybe how much you've grown as a person since the last time you've been to a place Man, yeah, this tour has been Especially like that we can really feel it and like this half of the year has been mostly like Like we were talking about like our b markets like tertiary markets to use an industry term tertiary's nice Tertiary markets tertiary's be minus. I guess Tertiary's so nice. Yeah, we're gonna put you on. Yeah, we're gonna be doing mostly tertiary markets So, uh, you know, it's not gonna be cost effective first do it this way Yeah, and I just kind of give you the whole rig them a roll. Yeah, but um It's interesting because we haven't really done it like this before We kind of already had a tour planned and then we moved the record release up So the first leg of the album release tour ended up being only tertiary markets Which is kind of nice because it gives us like six to nine months To build the to build the roll out for like our a plus markets Within the same, you know wind of Release. Yeah, which is kind of cool That makes sense and you say build. What do you mean by build it up? I mean just more time to promote the shows Yeah, that that makes sense. I think it's like work on the I guess you already have the album done because that's yeah That's kind of unfortunately in the tertiary markets a lot a lot of figuring it out. Yeah, it's a lot of like Hey guys, I'm gonna figure this out in front of you. Sorry. I'm gonna do a really good show in Chicago, but Ted's voice is getting the crap gonna be great, man, but uh Madison, indiana, you're gonna get fucked No horn players for you. We're filling some things up Yeah, it's like the no horn players and a lot of times what I recognize now is like, you know A lot of dudes bring their wives and their wives are like where's briley? Which is my wife because she sings with us sometimes and uh, she doesn't come out all the time got you but When she's not there, I've seen some some real Disappointed lady folks. Yeah in the crowd. No, that's true with trucker hats. Just just waiting for unhappy I've ever thought of just kind of like faking them out Yeah, just Look, oh, she'll be right back guys Yeah No, brittany gets my wife gets uh She'll go to shows every now now she'll get like recognized and it's kind of funny to like see that and see like people like brittany What's going on? That's awesome. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I don't I don't know how she feels about it I think she loves it deep down, but she gets kind of like she's freaked out four-time w NBA superstar Yeah, the first three weeks of that were really like She was shell shocked because she would just she didn't realize Neither of us really did how big how like wide that went how far that went She would just like go out to get coffee and it'd be like four people like wm. Yeah, dude She'd be like, uh, uh, that sports crowd is like a whole other thing I know when you tap into that market like those fans are buck wild it's dude, it's the I would argue it's like the biggest thing honestly. It's like a religion like people feel really like, uh You know okay to like fight about that. Yeah, or just kind of like I was just at a birthday party recently and it was you know, there's nothing wrong with it The guy was just like, oh, it must be like an Eagles fan And it's just so disappointing when you're in a group of dudes somewhere and you go Yeah, I don't really care. I like I yeah, I like support them in spirit, but I don't really care to watch it I don't know anything about it and they're just watching them go Oh, fuck man. I don't know what we're gonna talk about now Dude, like sorry brother. That's my whole life. Yeah, no sports. Yeah, like, uh, especially like briley's friends Or like any of our small town friends like when like I'm sure you've been in a situation where you got to meet other husbands And they're like, yeah, man, well, you know, you know like, uh Hurricanes are looking good this year. Yeah, or like, uh, whatever the fuck else they're talking about Um, and I'm like, I don't really yeah, I don't really watch sports, man It's a bummer dude. It's a bummer But I try but that's almost worse when you try to engage And then they start hitting you with facts that really go over your head Yeah, and then you gotta say, I'm just bullshitting man Yeah I'll I'll try to get although too. I feel like in those sports combos you can be like I'll fake the funk too. I'll be like, yeah, man. I like we won the Super Bowl last year So, you know how that is and then they'll be like, they'll be like, what do you what do you think? What do you think about the big man? And I'm like, damn, I don't know who the fucking big man is They're all they show my ass. I'll be like, which who the big man is they're talking about the team I'm supposed to be a fan of they're not even from the city. I'm like, you're the big man you speak of Donovan McNabb perhaps. I don't know Yeah, it's it's a bummer. I've gotten more I've like just gotten more upfront with it my lack of sports knowledge and interest but it is like You know, just disappointing because they're like damn, dude, we could have like bonded over this but I've tried, you know My wife walked in one day and I was watching football and I was like actively trying to engage and watch it and she just laughed at me Did she laugh and she's like, what the hell are you doing? Are you watching football? I'm trying to And I just really didn't enjoy it. Yeah, I if it's on like It's cool, but I have to be somewhere With someone else and it happens to be on if that makes sense that I can watch it But like to I would feel insane. I think I've tried it to myself like I'm gonna sit down and watch the game I'm gonna be a real guy and then I sat down. It's just like Oh, dude, this is so fucking long dude. I wish I could do something else right now. It's so fucking boring We watched the world series the other night and that was fun Our tour managers from Toronto. So he had a lot You know on the line and he was very excited And uh and crushed. Yeah, we all really wanted to see him uh We wanted to see the blue jays lose just because we knew he was gonna be insufferable if they won But man when they lost like it was actually really sad for him. Yeah, and we all immediately felt bad That was a tough one for everybody because people were torn between Patriotism and how much everyone hates la. Yeah, so a lot of people I talked to like fuck the Dodgers I don't want the fucking Dodgers to win. They were just root pretty much against their country. Yeah It was it was an interesting one. That's pretty that's pretty true. Everyone. I know it's kind of like fuck the Dodgers I'd rather see canada win Not on our bus. Yeah, we're rooting team usa baby team usa. I can support that. I was Again just spineless like usual. I was like, oh, yeah, I could see canada winning and then like your dodgers start winning I'm like, oh, that's good too. But that's good too. I I'd never want to empower canada. That is true I do feel that way as well No, me neither man And I feel like being against the Dodgers as a lot of these guys the these guys are I think it's kind of anti-semitic To be against the Dodgers. So I think you guys should really think about that Yeah, I think you're I think you're a hatred of the Dodgers was really charged by your anti-semitic Stop Asian hate man. You gotta support the Dodgers Um Did you do that on purpose? Yeah, that's hilarious Saying anti-semitic stop Asian hates very funny Master I've been I've been to basketball games. I've been like I've been in football games and like hockey games Um, I like hockey a little bit But like when I'm at the game like at a basketball game, I'm like, I'm really I'm gonna get into this I'm a basketball guy now And then it just never sticks No, as soon as well, dude, I like I think Nate you probably did you check stats and shit Yeah, see that's where like I'm going. I like I can watch I know I have friends that are like I thought the same thing I'm gonna start watching. I'm gonna follow. He's like I just see him like googling stats from all the players I'm like, bro. What I always feel like I'm so behind Yeah It's weird This episode is brought to you by zip recruiter I'm constantly looking for My keys And my chapstick my glasses headphones and charger, etc I lose them almost every day and the longest time I've spent looking for something is about 17 minutes I'll tell you what it'd be nice if we had a superpower that helped us find exactly what we need right at that moment Which I have it's called a wife. Luckily my hiring managers for my hiring managers out there You've at least got the next best thing zip recruiter try it free at zip recruiter.com Slash mssp There's a reason zip recruiter continues to be named the number one hiring site based on get this g2 And that's because it does most of the work for you using its powerful matching technology To scan through thousands of resumes and to connect you with top talent almost instantly Want to know right away how many qualified candidates are in your area? 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I only saw the clip the catch Yeah, or just get really into sports gambling Oh, yeah, right that could that'll help you pay attention It just get really deep into gambling that was the one time I've ever been able to pay attention when I try to become a bookie in college and I actually know even then I didn't watch the games I did one game and I'm like, I see the allure. This is great. And then I was like, all right I'm gonna check my voicemail later and see and people Yeah, they took advantage of the fact I wasn't watching because they kept just being like double down double down double down and eventually I was like, fuck They would hit I never got into gambling man. I was I've been pretty much addicted to everything else. But but gambling by gambling Yeah, that's a good one though. Gambling is the one that really kind of can get you and it's also like I would say it's the lamest addiction drugs it's like there is kind of like a fucking It's kind of sick on some level right it can kill you. It's very dangerous. Yeah sex Kind of sick as well. Hell, yeah gambling is just pathetic when you're like, I just thought these guys would win everything's ruined my life's ruined It's interesting to be addicted to something that takes like a little bit of skill and like knowledge and like a little bit of Planning true, which I guess drug use takes a little planning as well Yeah, but I was always addicted to things that allowed me to let go of everything and not feel anything Well, apparently I and the more I've read about it gambling does do that for some people for me It's just I just have anxiety the whole time until I either win and become euphoric or lose and feel like a loser But there's people with gambling who like it's more so just that time in between like hands or like during the game Or they get into a flow state where it's just like It's not even that from what I've heard about it. It's like it's not even about winning or losing It's about you're just kind of like you're fully on while you don't know what's going to happen They get addicted to that feeling Wow. Yeah, it's kind of fucked up, but still lame Still a lame way to go out. It's pretty lame But I think I I think the lamest would be uh, I was uh, I had a problem with laxatives What? Yeah, and then I realized like a doctor was tell a doctor told me that like it's a form of like bulimia Yeah, because I I did like when I was like 1920 like I used to throw up all my meals and stuff. Okay. It was a it was a Shitty time, but then like I started taking laxatives, which is like a different form of it. I guess. Yeah, I would say the better Yeah, I would say it's it's a better. It's an improvement. How'd you get busted with the lax? Dude, I shit my pants in japan Damn, I just got like completely hammered drunk and like one sneeze sent me over the edge And my drummer's birthday dinner I was like you're drinking on the lax. Yeah, I was drinking on the lax. We got into japan and like You know, we had this great big dinner and I was like just got completely hammered and like you know speaking The little bit of japanese I know and just being really loud. Fuck and uh, yeah Well, it's just really funny the thing of a restaurant full of like old japanese people being like, you know They're probably shit talking americans. Like they're so unruly and they're fine. Then you stand up and give a speech Would you do how'd you like how'd you because it's tough It's one thing if you shit your pants from your sober you're kind of tactical about it. You're drunk It's like it's a tough. That's you're on your back foot for sure I'll say like I thought I could save it. You know, I went I went to the bathroom and like I was like, you know The boxer briefs are done for so they they went in the garbage And then I went back and I mean we were having dinner at the hotel. We were staying in. You know, I could have called it tonight I went back to the dinner and sat down again and like started drinking more and Raging more and then I shit my pants again And then I was like, all right There's the first time you shit you're all you shit. You're underwear the first time. Yeah, then you finally shout your pants Oh my god And once that happens, you just got it. You got to call it a night and uh, my boy My boy kyle walked me back up to the room and I was just like You know when you're drunk, you know, everything's a lot bigger And I was like I've always been wanting to kind of like get ahead of the story So I was walking through the lobby like hey, how's everybody doing? I shit my pants I was just but nobody spoke english and they were and I was just yelling in people's faces But it's probably good that I quit drinking. Yeah, I would say how long do you how long did you drink for? Dude like my whole life, man. I started drinking and smoking when I was like 11. Yeah and uh You know, it was just like part of the biz For me, but I feel a lot better without it I still encourage people to get drunk around me. Yeah, true Because drinking was always this thing to like lower that like You know visions. Yeah, plus you lower theirs. That's actually kind of nice. Everybody else does it and then you're just kind of You know, yeah, you look at these drunk idiots. Yeah, it's kind of nice actually. Yeah, that's uh, that's kind of nice You tell everyone like yeah, because that's I guess if you don't drink I yeah, I would worry people are like not drinking on my account. It's like, yeah, you want people to live their lives That's the worst. Yeah, that's I would do that. I would if I know someone sober, I like won't drink on purpose and I yeah, it's a good uncomfortable thing But I knew someone before who did that where I was like all prepared to have like a super sober weekend with them and they just Fucking got after it. I was like, oh, yeah, this isn't good Yeah But turned out not to be It's always a it's a good feeling when that tide really turns though And you do lock in and you start and you start drinking Oh when you say that's a fun feeling when you just say fuck it. Yeah, I do that with bird krisher once I just got hammered. I just got hammered like I fell off the wagon Uh after like a nine month stint. I fell off the wagon in san diego and then I went up Um, and I had the bird cast the next day And I was I was hungover when I got to birds house And it was the first time he and I had met so this a couple years ago And when I walked in we just immediately just Locked in, you know, yeah, he he was like starting a sober journey I was hungover. I was like, I'm hurting and then we just we really got after it And if you if you watch that, it's so sick. You knocked him off his wagon. We knocked each other off And we're both waiting around in the deep end And then the next day I had to speak at a sober nation event. Oh, how'd that feel? It felt really bad So for that's so funny. It was really sober for the sober nation though. I was hungover Oh, and I had to speak at this like panel this discussion about sobriety and music How did you handle that one? I just had to be honest, uh, you know, yeah, first thing I said was like You know the thing about the wagon is you fall off the wagon you get back on Which was true and I I really I really had to finesse that because I I felt a little judgment. Um, yeah, I bet my management was uh, they were pretty terrified horrified They didn't really want me to do it. Yeah I was like, look, no, I got this Because really that is the thing about sobriety that I think scares a lot of people about it like I think one day of sobriety is just as good as 10 years because you're just as close to fucking it up Yeah, true. It doesn't really matter Dude, I've been trying. I mean, it's you know, obviously not the same. I've been trying to get off of coffee and that was like Just fucking impossible because I can like take or leave drinking or whatever coffee was one like it's so fucking hard Caffeine in general. It's so hard to get off of that. Yeah. So like you're saying the longer I go the more likely I'm gonna be like I'm gonna fucking cup of coffee. That's just not a big deal. Yeah better and uh, and again, it's not like drinking but It's just tough man. I don't know how people quit heroin. I'm like, how It's impossible. Yeah, I can hardly quit caffeine. I'm like, how do you how do you quit heroin? That's one that I never got after but that's good. I think I'd really like it. Yeah, probably You're fucking sick. Yeah, you're fucking awesome, dude I got family members that got into the opiates and They said it's pretty great. Yeah, but they also said Makes you a little constipated. Yes So I said you got the cure for that. I can't do that. You got the cure. I do have the cure I guess I could supplement that. Yeah Yeah, a lot of people too a lot of the opiate people got in meth made a big Like it rose in the east coast pretty hard with following the heroin Yeah, so a lot of people I knew who got into the opiates the meth came around like late stage Opiate addiction that was kind of interesting What's funny about meth is like Like my dad he was he's a he's a boomer generation guy. So like in the 80s meth was uh More like casually used. Yeah, you know and He would just like Casually do meth now like with a snorting it snort it. Okay When you start smoking and that's the problem and like I actually have a friend In georgia and her aunt Aunt patty. She's the shit and uh, she's like a massive kid rock fan. She's so awesome And uh, she has like 15 instagram accounts and she just like Because she forgets her password and she just makes a new one and she signs everything aunt patty Or patty poo, but she's like man. I wake up in morning to do a line and clean the house It's like recreational and it's As long as you snort it though. Yeah. Oh, I thought I thought I burned really badly when you snorted it I mean canamine burns pretty bad when you snort it. What is canamine? Okay, that burnt pretty bad. I'm just a giant pussy. I'm over here talking about quitting caffeine It's like, yeah, I hear you about sorority. I've quit caffeine for four days I couldn't quit caffeine It's hard a quick break from the show for a special segment called more or less and it's brought to you by prize picks No matter the season the action never stops on prize picks whether it's baseball basketball football or anything in between You can mix and match your favorite players pick more or less on their stats and play for your shot to win Up to 2,000 times your cash prize picks keeps the game going all year long So so let's get into it. Thank you players from what sports are we looking at? I've been looking at basketball. 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It was like an every day all day thing or just kind of like when you did drink it was a disaster Yeah, I think I think too like it was in combination with like antidepressants and Benzo dies a pen oh boy, so like in In combination with those other drugs and then I just enjoyed drinking so that's where I really started enjoying like cocaine because It just resets it just brings you back But it's fake. Yeah, and then you keep drinking And then you can do that like two or three times in an evening until you just can't anymore And you're like pissing yourself drunk. Yeah, and then like six or seven in the morning comes around and somebody has to take care of you um And you know I did that for a while And I think the the thing that really well, I mean my wife was really the thing that motivated me to Um Change it up, but even then like I thought that I could drink like a gentleman, you know So I tried to do that for like a year like a different glass and like Yeah, I was like I can have a nice glass of whiskey and then that would always turn into like You know 18 beers um And I just you know, I thought I'm happy now I can drink but it just There's something deep in me something deeply rooted that just wants it to go completely off the rails Get tore out the frame. That makes sense So after yeah, I see we're saying so you pretty much have a couple drinks and the this the train starts fucking rolling It's like, all right. Yeah, once I break the seal man. I'm ready to go for like two or three days. Yeah It's kind of sick though. Yeah, I mean it was fun That's the other thing too. It's like I had a good time. Yeah, it was fun. I had a lot of good times I had a lot of bad times but like those few bad times were bad enough to uh You know outweigh the good times. I guess. Yeah, well also too. I feel like there's a thing with aging where it's like It is fun and then the older you get you're like, dude, like I have to either fully pursue this and become like an old drinker or just like Stop basically or like really lighten it down. Like I really I I don't even like like drinking that much anymore. Like it's it's like obviously I do like if you give me three drinks I'll I'm like, I love this. Yeah, put me out in the sunlight on the beach. I mean, this is amazing But like just like as a daily or even like a semi-frequent thing It's just like dude after you stop for a while and you start again You really feel shitty even after only like three or four drinks the next day. I'm just like, yeah Feel terrible and like three or four drinks and no one I'm gonna feel bad. Like that's just Exactly. It's kind of the worst. You might as well not do it or might as well just really do it dial in Yeah Get not on and off it It would be nice to hire like a team of people who could really manage getting off and on the wagon Stay with you at every moment like pull you down. Yeah, as soon as you grab coke, they're like smack it out of your hand Yeah, or they test it. Yeah. Yeah test it for you calling hookers. They had like ma'am. He's drunk right now. He can't just hang up Thank you team Like take your phone from you At that point, wouldn't be fun I know because it is like like you said about the gambling. It's like the danger element of it. Yeah, it's like This guy's got a bag of heat. She might kill me Or it might be a good night Might have baby laxative in it, which yeah, that's a big thing coke a lot of laxative and coke laxative and coke Is that how you got into the lax maybe? Maybe You were chasing the dragon lax with the coke the lax dragon the lax dragon It always made me laugh the coke the baby laxative and coke was always so funny Because I knew guys who shipped themselves at work from coke They'd be like, ah, the shitty fucking baby laxative. They was go buy more coke that day and I'm like, bro Slow down Yeah, I mean that's that's when it really got off the rails for me. I had a guy In Nashville that sold vintage clothing and sold cocaine. It's hilarious. It's like two of my favorite things. Yeah, sure and um You know, he was looking me up with like really pure stuff And that's when it got to where I was like I would keep a little corner of a bag to get me going the next day If I had meetings or writing sessions and stuff and that was no good Um, couldn't even use that like a gentleman. No, I couldn't I've talked to people who try to claim coke gentlemen And I've yet to see it. I've seen it. You've seen go down and I always thought that I could do it Like they have like the nice like Like silver platters with like lines and they're drinking wine and listening to like records and shit And uh, I was always really into that idea. Yeah, it looks very charming. Yeah, it does It would always turn into like three four guys in a bathroom Huddled around a toilet. You see the fucking Chargers game. Yeah talking about sports Yeah, I've heard people try to say that like well actually in like columbia. They like don't even use coffee They just do like a little bit of coke every morning. This is like, how's that going? Are they chew on it? Yeah the leaves. Yeah But it's it's kind of like And like in this business, especially like in the arts community like you recognize like Wealthy people there's like like super low brow folks like do drugs and smoke cigarettes and in middle class like kind of Boycotts that whole lifestyle and then the upper ash they do it too. Oh, yeah You know people were that was what I was really surprised by was like the amount of people doing casual coke and people smoking cigs I still rip cigs, but yeah, yeah, I mean the caffeine cig combo is the it's the best Yeah, kind of you can really get by on that honestly. That's what that's that's me right now Yeah, I was a big nicotine caffeine guy before I gave both up four days ago But uh, I fell I fell to a little those little things not the pouches the like little they're like a tablet that dissolve Oh, yeah, yeah, I would do them but I have such a sensitive system I would have like a coffee and then I sometimes those nicotine tablets would turn on me And it's just like the head rush from too much nicotine too fast is like Yeah, I'm again. I'm just being a giant pussy right now, but those those zinn parts is giving me hiccups Yeah, oh, yeah, no, I almost threw up in front of my family I was walking I was at the airport I was with Sean and I was just trying to be a bad just started doing the little nicotine tabs and I'll be honest I felt so fucking cool Like when I was doing like, you know, like when you're a kid you're like cigs are fucking cool I had the nicotine patch I just something about keeping something in your bottom lip just strikes me as so macho Yeah, and I was so happy to be like, dude, this is sick. I'm with my kids and with Sean So I'm through the airport with my thing sticking out of my lip and then uh, we got to baggage claim and I was like And I almost fucking found I didn't take it out to throw it on the ground. I was like, Sean, I'm about to throw the fuck out That's tight. Yeah, I'm a giant bitch, but But yeah, there there is something to it though, man of like Because I do have that just desire to constantly Like minisculely alter my consciousness. I always want to do something like and I've noticed it when I Without like caffeine now. I'm kind of like I should have one drink before bed Like there's always some kind of shit that I want to do like just even a little bit the mushroom micro doses So I've been trying to just like oh, yeah, which I'm not against them at all But there is something in my head where I'm like, I should get a little bit fucked up today Now me and my dad talk about it all the time because my dad's like that. Yeah and like He just he really especially like going before playing a show. He's like I Don't know what to do because I need something Yeah to alter my state of mind before I go and do this. I just want to feel good Because especially he's got like arthritis and like he's like just he's 72. So he's tired He's like he's aging and he doesn't like it and he wants to feel something. Yeah, so he's like, yeah, you know, I have like Maybe I could do like one drink I'm like, it's probably not a good idea. He's like this guy wanted to give me a yager bomb. You think that would be good? I was like no I try I try to get him to do this guy by the way. Yeah, this guy being like a 70 year old. Here's a yager bomb That's what I'm saying like people have like no inhibitions. Yeah when there's like Getting fucked up. They want to drag somebody else down 17 year old man. It's slow hanging fruit He's with the bomb. We'll bring this guy down with me. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, my my dad quit drinking when I was Probably like fourth or fifth grade and I remember but he dude He would drink like 60 ounces of coffee a day not exaggerating. He would drink two 24s and then a 16 And I remember asking like dude like what's up with because I would like go to work with him and try to even drink One 24 ounce cup and I you know, I'd be fucking spinning out I'm like, why do you drink so much coffee in yours like Dude, I quit drinking. You got to abuse something man. He's like you gotta He's held it down like that now. He's like slow. He had some atrial fibrillation. So he chilled He doesn't do as much coffee, but now it's just like four cigars a day What was he gonna he's gotta get he's addicted to the buzz. I might be I'm a bit of a buzz man myself I just need I just want the buzz. I don't want to get super fucked up But I do need the buzz bit of a buzz man myself Bit of a buzz aldrin Was it I can't remember if it was you or your brother that said uh One of my favorite quotes all the time. I think was from your dad was like I need you from the neck down That's my dad hit me with that. That's so tight. It's such a dickhead. That's a great line though Yeah, I was working I was working demolition with him and I was like trying to give I was like eventually I went to college and became a man. I was still doing demolition with him Yeah, I was like, what if we did this and yeah, you hit me with I just need you from the neck down today But I don't need any thoughts for you. I need you to move those rocks from a to b That's so good That's too good Yeah, you fucking killed me. Yeah That was I really loved working with him though because I was so bad at that kind of like I was Demolition was okay because it doesn't take as much like it's not carpentry where I got to like note line stuff up But there is just something really fun because I would always be like I talked about it my first special I'd be Just like so stoned at work with my dad and we'd be like in like a trench down in like the ground It's like in like the dirt and I was just like be high like damn. This is so sick me and my dad are Five feet on the ground right now. It's fucking so tight That's awesome. It was tight. He every chance he got he'd be like, bro. You got to figure something This is not this kind of work is now for you and I'm like right on right on right on He could tell I was kind of a space kid it yeah, I'm trying to get my dad on like Like my my pre-show buzz is like I'll smoke a joint. I call it a carolina speedball That's not bad smoke a joint and drink like two red bulls sugar-free red bulls and then because Like my anxiety my stage fright all that is like You're tired. You should go to bed. That's really that's what my anxiety does to me like right before I have to do something important It's like no, you're actually really tired because it's like a defense mechanism. It's a fight or flight kind of thing so I supplement that with like red bull and It's not the best but again to your point, you know, I got to abuse something Yeah, well, I dude. I here's my thing. I've I've tried I had big dreams of being like cup of coffee hit the stage kind of guy Panic attack. You had panic attack. Oh big time. I've had him. I've had a 50 on stage But this was a this was a big one where I was like Oh, my I was telling me not me and Nate were this is kind of cracking me up but uh slightly unrelated but last week we were in Tulsa and um One of our friends out there gave us some really nice weed that he grew. It was fucking phenomenal So we did the shows because I know enough because if I if I get high before I do stand up Is this just like so many words involved? I took a nightmare for me to get stoned But we did the we did the shows and we're going to do the meet and greet after the show So after the second show we smoked this guy left his baseball bat of a joint We smoked half of it and we started doing the meet and greet and I almost I was so high that I almost Pulled the plug on the meet and greet which would have been a total disaster To get like seven people in to have like 30 people left to be like guys. I'm sorry. I'm too fucking high I gotta get out of here or just like make up some bullshit. Yeah, dude. There's pictures. I have a picture of my phone It's it's my eyes are crazy. Just like But yeah, that was uh, I was talking to my friend del Kahlo. He's like you should just stop every single person Strict their hand. I'm like, sorry. I'm canceling the meet and greet. I'm too high Oh john del Kahlo. Yeah. Yeah, he's fucking hilarious. He's so funny. He's actually here. He's here right now. But yeah, yeah, that was Yeah for me, I used to when I asked you earlier about the Go to different cities and you're like, wow years have passed and I just feel like a different person I had that in Buffalo the first one of the first headlining things I did was in Buffalo Just an absolute nervous wreck of being like I shouldn't be here. This is fucked up. I'm gonna fuck this up I'm gonna ruin it was just non-stop and then I got there This year and I just felt great and I was like, damn, I was fucked up. I didn't realize how fucked that was like three years ago It's pretty cool. It's fun when you go to a new city and You know, you can feel that growth. Yeah Um, yeah, but I was too high on stage the other night actually and you got two stones in little rock No, yeah, and it was halloween. So I was dressed like an asshole and I was too high And I saw a video on myself and I was just looking at my eyes and like But on stage what was happening was like I get so high that I have like this like outer body You know like You know, I can kind of see what's happening like and then I'll come back to and I'm like, I'm singing right now That's wild. I'm singing. I'm yelling at these people Dang through a migravan is crazy. Do you so is that a good you feel good when you go out of body like that? Or no, okay, I was gonna say it's not I I've done that through a stand-up And I'm like, I I'm glad you enjoy that because I don't like that at all I completely leave my body and I'm speaking in my brain. I can hear other words in my brain It's not good. No, that's that's why I can't I can't smoke we need to do stand-up. I can Maybe a little bit, but if it's like a Like a show where I've sold tickets or anything It's like I because I would like when people would happen to me is like I would I used to be I wanted to be one of those guys to like get blazed and go to stand up and like People would laugh and while people were laughing. I would just like almost forget what I was doing. I'd be like All right, I have to keep talking now. This is weird. I'm eliciting this like primal response from them. It's just not it's not good I was thinking about it last night like actually playing a show like because You know what I'm playing I've worked really hard to try to be as present as possible And try to be in the moment as I can But sometimes you just can't help but like have outside thoughts that come in. Yeah, it's like transcendental meditation. You got to just try to find your Your happy place again But one of my thoughts last night was like How willing I am to believe that somebody would buy a ticket just to come and stand in the front row and laugh at me You know, so that was that was that was a brain worm. You had a brain worm had brain worm. Oh Oh, okay, man It slips in there and it was like these guys are laughing at you right now What I don't know why I came into my brain, but it got in there and I was like I just battled that I was like No, there's no way they're laughing at me. That would be I would never even think it for a second. Yeah, it's really weird No, I get it though, dude. Well, I mean with me at least with music. It's like People can talk while you're playing you're not like expecting them staring ahead silently Oh, yeah, stand up if I see someone even whisper to their friend. I'm like They hate me it's all over and it's like I'm watching it go down or I'll see people's faces And I'm like because if someone if you're playing music and someone's just staring normal Are you like what the fuck why is that person not smiling or anything or you just play? I mean we played a festival the other day. It was like the worst crowd of the of the whole tour really um, we were on like right before riley green and Riley green has a pretty specific fan base and everybody and like the You know the vip pit it's the worst when they have like the vip pit and then the g a's in the back Because like all my people are about there. Yeah, they're like we're spending $30 for a ticket You know like we're not headlining. So I get it all my people are back there So i'm trying to keep that in mind, but everybody up here just doesn't give a shit so hard that it's it's You know offensive. Yeah, that sucks people are like leaning on the rail like texting or like scrolling on instagram And like i'm just watching these people just like yawning and just like sitting down And like talking to each other like full volume to talk over what i'm doing But um, it pissed me off But the asl lady was like super into it at that festival and that kept me going Oh, you had a sign language lady there. Yeah, she was rocking. What? She was doing your lyrics. Yeah, that's kind of nice. I never thought about that always fun to watch But we did like a last minute set list change And I wanted to go ask her like what she did for that because we added a song to the set that we didn't like Brief her about she was able to just kind of let it fly like on the flies. I like What is she saying like is she is she saying it like Like after I say it she says it because obviously she can't do it at the same time Yeah, true because I didn't tell her this song So like is she kind of like bullshitting the the folks in the crowd? She's like he's saying this right now, but I actually said it on the last verse I can't get over the thought of just a guy going to one of your shows and then the middle is being like Ha ha ha ha and laughing that'd be crazy. Yeah, that'd be crazy It is crazy That's all I want. I would love that's the 20 year old nightmare. I'm going like dude. That's my best case scenario You know like this guy's a fucking dumbass And just laughing at me. So I'm like perfect. Yeah, that's funny. Well, I would say I've like I've I talked to people who do music and they're like, I don't know stand-ups harder And I don't know I've played music before live and it's like Getting the instant feedback with stand-up helps big time. But like that was my big thing You've done a song and you're like, I don't know if they I'm like, I don't know if people like this or not That like kind of fucked me up We try to we try to do our set Like where there's not any dead space. Yeah, there's no no moment for a lull. Yeah, because that's the part where you started to feel Any kind of hesitation? Yeah, like how do you battle through that again with stand-up? It's like you get laughs or you don't So you're very clear. You're like, I'm doing great. I'm doing bad whatever But yeah with music it was just kind of people just like staring at you talking and Listening and then afterwards you get like you're smattering of applause. But it's interesting because you you come around to like When you have a when you have a house full of people who all came to see you That's when you get like the real like reciprocation and you can tell you're doing something right but you do have to go through like A number of like stinkers, you know, yeah And when you have like two or three of those in a row Which is which was kind of the case this last week was like two or three in a row where the crowd was just like Not great. Yeah, and like it's nothing to do with them. Like sometimes it could just be like It's a thursday night. Everybody worked all day um The show goes to like 11 o'clock people are tired, you know, whatever it is Yeah, you can get in your head about it But then you finally get to a show where everybody's locked in it's a weekend Everybody's happy to be there and they really give you that reciprocation. That's what that's what we're hunting. Yeah, true. That makes sense That was I remember I had uh With with acting I was always like well with acting like you just can't tell if you do good or not like Stand up people laugh acting you just do it and that's just it and I had that in my head where it was kind of like Just me coping like he's never know then I was on a set and everyone Someone finished their scene the whole set burst out in applause and I was like Fuck god damn it. Yeah, there is a metric for acting. I've just never gotten Oh man, that's a tough realization acting's weird because it's like You're just like you do your best and they go. All right. That's good. Move on and you're like what the fuck is it good or not? They're like, yeah, we'll figure it out. You're like, fuck It's kind of like that in the studio when you're recording. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess you do have someone there It's like, all right. I will we'll mash it together. 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I believe it's sold out, but I think I added A early saturday show so madison wisconsin get on that if you wish And then 12 19 12 20 funny bone comedy club syracuse new york get out there guys You can go to matt mccusker.com for tickets Uh and tonight the day this comes out november 4th come see me lamere and shawna at octomonakas at creak in the cave And there's another one november 18th That's another tuesday second first and third tuesday every month come see me lamere and shawna. Thank you so much You do the chappelle show Back to the show have you uh, I guess you sit in like Audition tapes I did one before that's a pretty terrible feeling. Oh, it's pretty horrible. I sent one in I sent one in for uh This netflix thing Did you yeah, I sent one in guess what I sent one in I just My one connection in their life. I happened to know the producer of the show No callback I thought I was gonna finally get the nepo baby out. I was like dude. I know the producer Slight little family, you know little family action. I was like here we go I was I was I would have taken in a fucking heartbeat. I don't care, but yeah, no call back Damn ncb and then I met I was on a plane with somebody who was working I saw they had like a bag. They're on that show I should have just pressed her. I mean like yeah, what the fuck what the fuck what's going on the fucks. Do you know who my cousin's uncle is We're gonna get kicked off this flight You mean to do who my cousin's uncle is who I've met once I did I actually got a call back when I was out of the country. Oh really filming. Yeah Good for you But what you're doing some acting I thought about it, man They called they called me because they wanted me to do this part and like oh dude. Yeah, you had a you were You're I kind of had a but it was like it was a small part but still yeah mine was miniscule Yeah, no call and cb. NCB sending the tape bro It feels although I've gotten better with that like the I've gotten out of my head about a lot of that shit where it's like Just do it man. Who cares? Yeah, just show your fucking ass I just like have you ever seen like People's like audition tapes when they like get Out there. They're like here's an audition tape. It's like they're always so embarrassing. It's totally embarrassing So I'm really worried about that. There's one of me now flowing around fucking stinks And I just yeah, but I again, I've just learned to just be like whatever I don't I'm just gonna let it kind of rip and right. Yeah, you know, I don't I really Don't worry too much about humiliation that much as much as I used to I know man and I and I don't either I try not to I think honestly like like micro does and helped a lot with that. Yeah It helped with my panic attacks Like even now when I get too high, I'm like Just enjoy it because it's gonna be over Just let this be an experience True. I just look at my drummer like That is okay if you're too high you do have to tell a person you gotta tell somebody If you don't tell anyone it gets worse and worse and worse I I fucked myself recently on an edible and I like I held it in for the longest time that I eventually just told one person instantly I feel so much better. Oh dude, I quoted you on halloween. Actually. I got on the mic. I was like we're through the worst of it now I really did they thought I had acid figured out of my guys This was three hours in it's 12 hours We're through the worst of it now And I said that to the audience What are you talking about? And I almost broke that fourth wall and told him like I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I'm way too high to do this But you can't say that I feel like they would like it. They would enjoy it. I think so. I'll tell them next As long as you're not at the sober nation, dude, but guys gotta be honest. I'm way too fucking high for this Yeah, sober nation. They wouldn't appreciate it Yeah, that uh, yeah weed for me is uh It's an interesting one. I I that was when I started early I at 19 years old I was like this is the answer to literally all my problems And then I started just bugging me out at like my mid 20s late 20s every there's like a guaranteed panic attack and now Now it's the same thing like if I stifled bugged out so many times and I just look at my like watching I'm like, all right. Well, I'm gonna bug out now for an hour and then you know, it'll be over and then That's it. Yeah, so sometimes I do wonder like why do I even do this? But Well, I feel like I need a little bit of thc in my brain I think it fully leaves my system. I can feel it and I feel like weird It's interesting feel like serious. Yeah when I swear to god when the thc when it all goes I get real fucking Like I'm like, I'm gonna go to fucking confession and fucking go to confession. Yeah, I get like really serious I'm gonna start practicing this circumstance. Wow Or just whatever other stuff too. That's sick. Yeah, we come like a 1950s father Oh, wow, dude, you know what I mean? I just feel like I don't know. It's a weird feeling start tugging your shirt in I I want to talk my shirt in so bad. I'm too fucking coward to chicken shit I like the feeling of having my shirt tucked in Man, like I genuinely really enjoy it and I'm just too much of a coward to pull the trigger all the time When I started wearing my pants high and tight, you know, bro and my true waistline tug of my shirt and I felt like a real You feel amazing. Yeah, you feel amazing ready to talk about sports Fuck I'm gonna so I'm gonna talk I I I'll get a good day where I'll be tucked in and then I'll just So I'll just doubt myself. Yeah, I want to talk but that's kind of where I'm at right now It's a nice talk. Yeah What do you guys think? Man, well, dude, this is your second time here, dude, you're a fucking Yeah, you're one of the best guests. I think we've ever gotten. Thank you. I'm telling you next time it's in the cards Third time around we'll get the big Shane. You'll be in the beautiful guest chair Next time it'll be nice. That's my theory of podcast is more than Marrior Whatever Shane's like we have a guest. I'm like, yes. Yeah. Now we have three brains You guys you guys make it easy. It's just a it's a fun. It's a fun way to do it. Yeah, it is. I did notice that when I did my Little like press thing a lot of podcasts do you have a lot of formulas? Yeah, we don't have any so We have a formula here if we run out of material or stuff to talk about we turn on Sean LaMaire and they We start to attack them very personally And uh, and if that and if that fails then we just make basically Nate LaMaire do stuff from their podcast on here Like do that thing you do on your podcast so we like then we do that. So that's our formula Talk as much as we can turn on them So what's next man, what's uh, what do you got going forward? You got the album out Man the album fucking rules. I'm dead serious. I was blessing that thing. It's awesome. Thanks, man. So We had the b-sides coming out which uh There's a song on the record called no room for blue. Yeah, we're calling like the uh, the b-sides release like the deluxe edition We're calling it no room for blue. There's all the songs we didn't have room for. Oh, that's cool Yeah, and there's a bunch of tunes on there that we were excited about but that's kind of the deal with like making a record is like You work really really hard and then the labels like Not yet, you know go back in do some more We don't really hear anything yet And then all the stuff that you really like you get opportunity to release it on like the b-sides So that's what's happening on uh black friday. It'll be out. Oh nice for record store day and you can get that in our physical copy Um, but we'll be releasing it digitally in april on record store day in april um I don't know if I was supposed to say that But we can always believe it if you can. Yeah, it's all good though. I don't care. Um Yeah, but tonight We're rehearsing for austin city limits So we're doing austin city limits tomorrow taping that at the moody theater Um, that'd be a good good opportunity for us to play all these songs Live with the strings and the horns and the background vocals and Um, finish up this run man. I'm going out to la doing a residency out there with chris dave and kory henry at the blue note Then uh off for the holidays. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, how's the residency work? You just get the chill there for like how long I think we're doing uh Four nights two shows a night sick. Yeah, it'd be fun. It's kind of post up in la um It's a good opportunity to get together with folks. You don't get to see that often. Yeah, yeah, you know, that's cool And it's also it's a different thing. It's like a different We play like jazz fusion So we just kind of let everything go that's cool. Everything hang out. It's kind of fuck around. Yeah, nice, man Well, hell yeah, yeah, well dude Marcus. Thank you for coming man. Thanks for having me, bro You bought me another week now I can survive for one more week And figure it out anytime brother. Dude. Thank you, man. Thank you later Watch new episodes of matt and shane secret podcast on spotify do it Olivia loves a challenge it's why she lifts heavy weights and likes complicated recipes But for booking her trip to paris, Olivia chose the easy way with xpedia She bundled her flight with a hotel to save more. Of course, she still climbed all 674 steps to the top of the Eiffel Tower You were made to take the easy route we were made to easily package your trip Expedia made to travel flight inclusive packages are at all protected