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Extreme Makeover: Packers 2026 Offseason Edition

33 min
Apr 12, 20267 days ago
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Summary

Andy Herman analyzes the Green Bay Packers' 2026 offseason roster turnover, examining how despite losing 7,836 total snaps of production across offense, defense, and special teams, the team's starting lineup remains largely unchanged. He explores whether this significant player movement was intentional roster purging driven by leadership frustration or natural NFL offseason attrition, while assessing the team's net roster improvement.

Insights
  • Despite substantial roster turnover (14+ departed players), the Packers' 24-player starting lineup remains 22 returning players, suggesting change was more about depth/role dissatisfaction than core roster overhaul
  • Leadership frustration (GM Brian Gutekunst and HC Matt LaFleur) appears to stem from underperformance and player role dissatisfaction affecting on-field execution, not just injury circumstances
  • The team's net snap loss (5,121 snaps unrecovered) creates significant depth risk, mitigated only by returning injured players (Zach Tom, Devontae Wyatt, Tucker Kraft, Micah Parsons) and young receiver development
  • Strategic reinvestment in coaching staff continuity (Gutekunst, Ball, LaFleur retained) and veteran additions (Hargrave, Franklin) suggests targeted culture reset rather than wholesale rebuild
  • Defensive line and offensive line received minimal reinforcement despite being identified as problem areas, indicating either confidence in young depth or incomplete offseason strategy
Trends
NFL teams using coordinated player departures and coaching staff changes to address locker room culture issues without full roster reconstructionEmphasis on veteran defensive free agent acquisitions (Hargrave, Franklin) as stabilizing forces alongside young player developmentSalary cap constraints limiting draft pick usage, forcing teams to trade depth players rather than acquire via draft or free agencyBackup quarterback depth becoming critical asset after Malik Willis departure, exposing vulnerability in injury contingency planningSpecial teams coordinator turnover (Rich Bassashi departure) indicating potential special teams performance issues in prior seasonYoung wide receiver room (Watson, Reed, Golden, Williams) expected to absorb snaps from departed veterans (Dobbs, Wicks), creating development pressureOffensive line instability with two starters departed (Walker, Jenkins) and no direct replacements, relying on internal developmentRole dissatisfaction as documented locker room issue, suggesting organizational communication or depth chart clarity problemsAddition-by-subtraction strategy targeting specific player attitudes rather than pure talent evaluationDefensive coordinator change (Jeff Hafley departure) alongside defensive line restructuring indicating scheme or personnel fit adjustments
Companies
Green Bay Packers
Subject of episode analysis covering 2026 offseason roster moves, coaching changes, and strategic direction
Miami Dolphins
Acquired backup QB Malik Willis with significant contract after Packers departure
Indianapolis Colts
Zaire Franklin's prior team before trade acquisition by Packers; played 1,112 defensive snaps
Minnesota Vikings
Javon Hargrave's prior team; played 537 snaps before Packers acquisition
Cleveland Browns
Signed Elton Jenkins to play center position after Packers departure
Las Vegas Raiders
Signed Quay Walker to contract that Packers deemed too expensive vs. Franklin alternative
Carolina Panthers
Signed Rashid Walker to 'ultra cheap' deal after Packers released him
San Francisco 49ers
Signed cornerback Nate Hobbs to contract after Packers cut him
People
Andy Herman
Podcast host analyzing Packers 2026 offseason roster and coaching changes
Brian Gutekunst
GM whose frustration with 2025 season performance drove offseason roster decisions and player departures
Matt LaFleur
HC who identified player role dissatisfaction as factor affecting on-field performance in 2025
Russ Ball
Salary cap expert retained by Gutekunst; managed cap gymnastics including Aaron Banks restructure
Jeff Hafley
Departed defensive coordinator; replacement part of offseason coaching staff restructuring
Rich Bassashi
Departed special teams coordinator; departure indicates potential special teams performance issues
Jordan Love
Starting QB returning for 2026; missed time both prior years requiring backup QB depth
Malik Willis
Departed backup QB who earned starting opportunity with Dolphins after integral role with Packers
Micah Parsons
Returning linebacker expected to recover from injury and contribute to snap recovery in 2026
Zaire Franklin
Acquired from Colts as replacement for Quay Walker; played 1,112 snaps for Indianapolis in 2025
Javon Hargrave
Acquired from Vikings; primary defensive line addition to offset Gary and Niggabari departures
Rashawn Gary
Traded for fourth-round pick; inconsistent effort plays and contract situation drove departure
Colby Wooden
Traded to Colts for Zaire Franklin; increased role in 2025 but not retained long-term
Quay Walker
Departed linebacker; contract cost deemed prohibitive vs. Zaire Franklin alternative
Aaron Banks
Restructured for job security and guaranteed money; retained despite opportunity to move on
Jordan Morgan
Promoted to starting left tackle; Rashid Walker departure driven by Morgan's elevation
Christian Watson
Returning WR expected to increase snap count; ACL recovery impacts wide receiver depth
Jaden Reed
Returning WR expected to increase snaps; missed playing time in 2025 due to injury
Matthew Golden
Young WR expected to take significant step and absorb snaps from departed veterans
Elton Jenkins
Departed OL; contract situation and frustration drove release; signed with Browns as center
Quotes
"He was pissed. He was not happy. He was very frustrated with how things went in 2025."
Andy Herman~8:00
"Players were unhappy with their roles, and not only just unhappy with their roles, but that it affected their play at the end of the year."
Andy Herman (referencing Matt LaFleur)~9:00
"In front of our eyes, against sort of in plain sight, the Packers have made over this roster in a somewhat significant way, but also in a rather insignificant way."
Andy Herman~12:00
"If you were a GM of any team, would you trade all of those players for Javon Hargrave and Zair Franklin? No, you wouldn't."
Andy Herman~45:00
"There has been quite a bit of change over both in the roster and in the coaching staff as well."
Andy Herman~55:00
Full Transcript
What is up everybody? Happy Sunday. Welcome into an all new episode of the Packaday Podcast. I'm your host, Andy Herman. You can follow me on Twitter at Andy Herman NFL and the podcast Thank you as always for joining me. Of course, we got you covered 365 days a year for all things Green Bay Packers. So make sure to like, subscribe, comment, give those five star reviews, tell a friend about the show. Anything you can do to interact is always, always appreciated. I hope your weekend's going great. For those of you who are big golf aficionados, hopefully you are enjoying your master's weekend. I'm not a huge golf guy. I certainly don't play it. I do watch from time to time, but Sunday Masters is one that I usually will not use. I think always will have on pretty much probably today in the background as I'm probably grading through some draft prospects and things like that. But it seems like it's going to be a good finish. So certainly looking forward to that. And for those of you who I know our die hards out there, hope the heck that you're enjoying it. And it should be a really incredible ending. Hopefully fingers crossed, but we've got a lot to get into that is not golf related. Of course, today we're going to be going over the makeover of this Packers roster. It's been a really interesting thing, the sort of keep track of it's sort of one of those things that everything that happened along the way, none of it really came as a surprise, other than maybe actually getting a fourth round pick for Rashawn Gary. That was a little bit of a surprise. Not that they traded them, not that they got rid of them, but getting that fourth round pick in return was a very, very pleasant surprise. Nothing that happened with any of the moves that were made were really like, Oh my God, I can't believe that happened. The Colby Wooden for Zyre Franklin one was certainly not one that anybody had on their radar, but it wasn't super shocking that they were trying to find a replacement for Kway Walker. Slightly surprising that Colby Wooden was the piece that they used to get it, but not like a stunning shocking development this off season. But like every move along the way was logical. It made sense. For the most part, you made squabble with or disagree with a move here or there, but none of it came out of left field. Yet as you get to this point in the off season, you sort of take a time out and a pause and say, Holy crap, there is a lot of turnover on this roster in totality. Dantavian Wicks being the latest example of that. And so I want to look at today just how much of this change was predicated, how much of it was necessary, how much of it was a foregone conclusion, and just where Green Bay stands now that they've lost something, by the way, at every single position, every position group now has some sort of loss this off season. Now they've replaced some of that. They have not replaced a lot of it. But it is sort of interesting to look at, as we're here on April 12th, looking at where does this roster stand right now, and what's actually happened. And I think the whole context of this conversation is going back to Brian Utikin's at the press conference. It was interesting. Last year, if you remember, we were talking the entire off season of how Goody said it's time to start winning championships. That was the thing that, you know, rung over and over throughout the entire year was like, Oh, it's time to start winning championships. We played that or talked about it all the time. This year, I don't know that there was that that phrase from Goody, but my takeaway from that press conference this year was he was pissed. He was not happy. He was very frustrated with how things went in 2025. And I'm sure there was some injury related frustration to that. But it felt a whole heck of a lot more than that. That even with the players that they still had on the roster, that he felt that they could have achieved much more, and they didn't. And then of course, you get Matt LaFleur talking about players were unhappy with their roles, and not only just unhappy with their roles, but that it affected their play at the end of the year. As I've talked about, that is that is legitimate signs of frustration, decay, cracks in the foundation. If you have players that aren't either playing as hard, or can't get to the level that they need to, because of frustration with their role in the team, that is a cause for concern. And so sort of right before our eyes, against sort of in plain sight, the Packers have made over this roster in a somewhat significant way, but also in a rather insignificant way. What does that mean? This is where I sort of have trouble reconciling everything that they've done so far. Because if you look at their roster right now, their starting roster, all right, and I'm going to actually say 24 players here, because I'm going to go 12 on offense, 12 on defense, right? Because sometimes they're an 11, sometimes they're in 12. Those are kind of their two main formations on defense, or either going to be base or they're a nickel. But we're going to talk about all of those starters. On offense, you've got Jordan Love at quarterback, Josh Jacobs at running back, Watson, Reed, Golden at wide receiver, Tucker Kraft, if it's a 12 formation, probably Luke Musgrave, even if it's not Musgrave, it's Josh Wiley, right? You've got it left tackle. You're going to have Jordan Morgan at left guard, Aaron Banks at center. You're going to have Sean Ryan, right guard, Anthony Belton, right tackle, Zach Tom. Sorry, if I think I said Josh Jacobs, but in case I didn't, Josh Jacobs as well. All 12 of those players are players that were on the team a year ago, and some of them much longer than that. But they're all returnees. Nobody is new in that group of 12. On defense, if you were putting your starting lineup together right now, Hardgrave is probably just by default going to have to be your nose tackle. He's new. But Carl Brooks and Devontae Wyatt next to him. I'm going to say Parsons, if Parsons is heard, it's probably like Baron Sorrell, Bretton Cox, one of those right now. Either way, it's a returnie, LVN on the other side, Zyre Franklin's new, Edger and Cooper next to him. Kishon and I think you could honestly say right now, Carrington Valentine, probably the player opposite Kishon, St. Juicester to be in that conversation, but I would probably lean Valentine at the moment, Bullard in the slot, Evan Williams and Zaver McKinney at safety. You have two that are new of those 12. So 10 of 12 are returning. So 12 of 12 returning on offense, 10 out of 12 returning on defense and kicker, punter and long snapper are all returning as well. So in a offseason that has had a ton of turnover has lost a lot of players. You only have as of now to maybe three, if you want to put St. Justin as another starting corner opposite Kishon Nixon or something like that, maybe three. But I would argue probably two corners at the moment, or sorry, two defensive players at the moment, two starters at the moment that are new to the team. Everyone else is a returning. So it's tough to say that there's been this entire makeover. Look at all the new pieces that are on this team. When it's like it's the it's the same, it's pretty much the same with the additions of Franklin and Hargrave to the starting lineup. But at the same time, as I mentioned earlier, every single position group has a loss to it in some way, shape, or form. And most of them have some rather significant loss to it. A quarterback, you have Malik Willis who is gone. It is the backup, right? So hopefully that's not a huge thing. But Jordan Love is missed time both the last two years and Malik Willis has been integral to the team's success when Love has been out. Now he only played 97 snaps a year ago. But we have seen how important his snaps have been to this team. So important in fact that it earned him a starting job with the Miami Dolphins and a pretty significant contract. At running back, Emmanuel Wilson is gone. 340 snaps on offense, also 30 snaps on special teams for Emmanuel Wilson. At wide receiver, Romeo Dobbs had 831 offensive snaps a year ago, fourth most of anybody on the team and 38 special team snaps, including being the primary punt returner for a good chunk of the year. Sontavian Wicks played 409 snaps, also played one special team snap. And Malik Keith, who was not a moved player this off season, he obviously got cut during the year last year. But even if you're looking at players who are no longer back, that was 211 snaps on offense for Malik Keith a season ago, including 26 on special teams. At tight end, John Fitzpatrick played 335 offensive snaps. He's gone. He also played 40 special team snaps. Tight, sorry, offensive tackle, Rashid Walker. 1057 offensive snaps, more than anybody else on the team. He also played 82 special team snaps. Elton Jenkins 538 offensive snaps, actually 10th most on the team, despite missing, was it probably half if not over half the season? He also played 26 special team snaps. Those were all of your players on offense that are no longer with the team. It's not exactly a starting lineup, but Malik Wilson, Emmanuel Wilson, Dobbs, Wicks, Heath, Fitzpatrick, Rashid Walker, Elton Jenkins pretty good core of a team for an offense. They're all gone. On defense, Rashon Gary played 697 snaps, ninth most on the team. He also played eight snaps on defense or on special teams. My goodness. Sorry. Kingsley Nighbarry played 521 snaps on defense 13th most on the team and 159 snaps on special teams. Colby Wooden played 622 snaps this past year 11th most on the team 76 on special teams. Koi Walker played 978 snaps on defense fifth most 63 on teams. Then at corner, you've got Nate Hobbs with 358 snaps and 29 on teams. Trayvon Diggs, I guess as well 34 snaps to special teams. Really only one of those was real in a playoff game. The rest were in that meaningless game against Minnesota. Zane Anderson, only 22 snaps at safety and not really a huge loss there, but 206 snaps on special teams was one of their core special teams players. Those were all of the players that had some sort of significant playing time that you lost from last year going into this year. Again, Malik Willis at quarterback Emmanuel Wilson at running back. Dobbs Wix and Heath at receiver Fitzpatrick at tight end Rashid and Elton on the offensive line. Gary Nighbarry at edge Wooden on the interior defensive line. Koi Walker at linebacker Nate Hobbs and Trayvon Diggs at corner Zane Anderson at safety more primarily special teams. And then it's not just players either. You also lost Jeff Hathley as your defensive coordinator and Rich Bassashi as your special special teams coach and lost a bunch of your coaches as well that you really put into new position or hired new people into new positions this off season. Like I said, in front of our eyes, there has been a ton of turnover coaching staff, coordinators, players on offense, defense and special teams. And by the way, if you count those snaps up, they lost 3818 snaps on offense, 3232 snaps on defense and 786 snaps on special teams. That is a total of 7,836 snaps from a season ago that are no longer on this team. Now if you're saying yes, Andy, but they also picked up some guys. Okay. Now some of these players could play more or less than they did a season ago. But if you're just looking at what they played a season ago, Jaffa and Hargrave played 537 snaps for the Vikings, none on special teams. Zaire Franklin played 1112 on defense, 92 on special teams, so he played a ton for the Colts. Skymore played 129 snaps on offense, 159 on special teams. Benjamin St. Juice played 378 at corner and 308 on special teams. So he was actually a pretty core special teamer. Even if you count all of those up, you add 129 snaps on offense, 2027 on defense, that's good. 559 on special teams, you are still 5121 snaps shy. That is again, a ton of snaps to have to make up. We'll be right back. Now, of course, you have players coming back from injuries. Well, Zach Tom, Devonte Wyatt, Tucker Craft, Micah Parsons, those players are going to be able to pick up some of the slack Christian Watson missed part of the year with ACL last year, Jaden Reed missed a bunch of playing time, like you are going to inherently have some players Matthew Golden's ready to take a step and play way more snaps than he did a year ago. So those those snaps are ready to be taken. There's a lot of those that are going to fill in naturally, not to mention you still have a full draft class and they could still add some players in free agency after the draft as well. This is not done by any stretch of the imagination. But it just goes to show you just how many players left and how many snaps Green Bay lost. That again, I think a lot were expected, none were surprising. But when you add them all up together, you start looking at it, you're like, man, that is a lot of players that this team has lost. And what I kind of want to look at is how much of this was intentional? How much of this was Green Bay really truly decided that they wanted to go in a different direction? Because I think when with you know, with Goody being ticked off, and with Matt saying, Hey, guys, you know, we're not playing to their level because they were unhappy with their roles and things like that. What you're hoping is that they're cutting that off at the head and maybe purging some of that frustration and anger and things that would cause the team to decline and maybe getting that sort of cancer out of out of the team, cutting it out, and you're going to be healthier both physically, mentally, and the team is going to be in a better spot next year. So the the players that they moved on from with some level of intention, they traded Rashawn Gary, fourth round pick they get in return. Could they have kept Rashawn? Yes. Could they have kept him at that price? No. We talked about it, you know, before free agency started and before they they traded Rashawn that the lowest hanging fruit of the offseason was releasing Elton Jenkins and Rashawn Gary or trading them if they could. And so I don't know if I want to go as far as to saying this was entirely intentional, meaning like they kind of just had to get off that deal. But they could have kept them. They could have tried to restructure with them. And instead, I'm sure duty was doing backflips getting a fourth round pick and return. But they were ready to move on from him. And they did. There was I would say some level of intention there. And based on some of the lack of effort plays that he had at times. And it's so weird with Gary, because we don't need to spend any time going on a tangent on this at all. But he gave great effort as a run defender. And then there are those plays where you just saw him jog it out. And you're like, what? Just never ever quite added up with Rashawn Gary. There was just always it always felt like there was something. But I digress. Rashawn Gary, I would say semi intentional. Colby Wooden. This is an interesting one, because I have a hard time believing that Colby Wooden was a player that you were that that was unhappy with his role. This is a player that went from a fourth, you know, fourth round pick who barely played his first couple years that put on weight specifically to get a better opportunity in 2026 2025. And he got it. He played way more. He was a core piece on that interior, the defensive line. Now, maybe he wanted to rush up field more and he had to more take on blocks or things like that. There can always be some level of nuance there. But he saw a significant increase in his role. I think if I had to guess, that was more of a, hey, we're not going to resign him to any sort of substantial deal. He's got one year left on his contract. Let's get something to value in return now. And we need a starting linebacker. And the other thing is, I think they were probably interested in Franklin. And in order to get Franklin, you've got to give something to value. And they probably didn't want to give up draft picks just because they're so draft kept draft picks strapped over the this year and next year. Now next year, maybe not so much with all the additional picks that they've been able to get. But with no first round picks, you can understand maybe they weren't super interested in giving up picks. So they had to give something to value. I would say again, maybe some level of intention, but I don't think this was with the idea of all right, we're we got to get Colby Wooden out of here. Could be wrong though. You never know. Don't even Wicks, I would be willing to bet you again, like we talked about yesterday, Don't even Wicks was probably not happy being like the fourth fourth and a half guy in that wide receiver room. He was going to take a backseat behind Matthew Golden and Jaden Reed and Christian Watson. And we know saving on Williams was probably going to get some time as well as probably will sky more. So he probably was not super pleased going into a contract year with his spot on the team. How much he let that be known if it you know, affected his play that I don't know, I have no idea. But this could just be hey, we know we're not going to resign him. And we're going to try to get as much value in return. Or it could have been, Hey, we need to get this guy out of here. He's not happy. It's affecting others on the team. And we got to clear some space for these receivers that are going to be our primary receivers moving forward. I would say some level of intention for Dante Vian Wicks. They cut in eight hops. That seems very intentional. I don't know how upset frustrated angry, whatever. I just I don't think Hobbes worked and the advancement of Bullard in the slot just being the guy, it just didn't work out. They realized that they recognized that they cut their losses. And they they understood it. Hobbes signed a pretty cheap deal with the 49ers. It's a brutal deal from 2024. Or sorry, 2025. But you know, it is what it is you move on. Certainly some level of intention there. Elton Jenkins that to me was mostly a contract situation. They had to move on. There seemed to be some frustration with Elton and the Packers, you know, camp last year. I don't know if it was I don't think it was actually about playing center, because he's going to Cleveland to play center. So he could have gone other places to play guard if he wanted to or could have just said he I'll play with for you. But only if I play guard, it seems like he's going to be the center in Cleveland. So actually, any set on multiple occasions, it wasn't about being center. I think he was more upset with his contract and not wanting this situation where he was going to get cut by Green Bay in 2026. But either way, there was some level seemingly of frustration there. Green Bay moved on. I think that was mostly a salary camp situation. Trayvon Diggs, I don't think you know, whatever it was, they just recognized that he wasn't going to be a fit. They cut him immediately when the offseason was done. There was no waiting. There was no posturing. There was no nothing. It was like, the offseason started see later, we're good. That's why I still don't think Trayvon Diggs is going to be back. I would be pretty surprised. There was no, like, even attempt to try to negotiate or renegotiate or do anything. It was just like, we're good. See you later. So it's definitely some level of, I guess, intention there. Rashid Walker. To me, the Rashid Walker situation had everything to do with Jordan Morgan. I think they were probably not happy with the way Rashid Walker played and finished the year last year. It was bad. That Walker deal, though, is pretty freaking sweet for Carolina. They got him on the ultra cheap. Could Green Bay have done that? Absolutely. But Rashid would have been the swing tackle. And I don't think Rashid wanted anything to do with that. And I think they just recognized they had to get Jordan Morgan that spot at left tackle. And it was ready because, again, Walker didn't earn it last year. So again, maybe some level of intention there. But I think that had everything to do with Jordan Morgan being the guy that needs to start and play at left tackle. Quay Walker, they could have done that deal. They could have done that deal for Quay. They didn't. They went with Zair Franklin instead. I think that was mostly money related. I'll tell you right now, if they could have Quay Walker for Zair Franklin's contract, they would do that in a second. I just think they felt like they could get, you know, Franklin at that contract would be, you know, a pretty similar style player for half the cost of what Quay Walker is making with the Raiders. So I think that had everything to do with that situation was more contract related. Enigbarri, one year, 10 million, I think probably just a little bit more than what they wanted to pay for Enigbarri. I'm sure they'd like to have Enigbarri still on this team. But I think they wanted to open up time as well for Baron Sorell and Bretton Cox and Colin Oliver and give those three an opportunity to step up in Enigbarri's absence. And then they did choose Chris Brooks over Emmanuel Wilson as well. I think that had everything to do with, you know, third down stuff and special teams. Brooks just played more on those, you know, key pass protection downs and on special teams and what Wilson did. So I again, I think they just had to choose between the two and they went with Brooks and they decided to move on from Wilson. But there was there was definitely some level of intention. Others like Malik, there was just no way they were going to get back, right? There was just a foregone conclusion. You know, Zayn Anderson, I think Miami's gonna honestly give him an opportunity to compete for a starting job, even though he's not making much money. And that's probably worth it to Zayn in and of itself. He gets to stay with Halfley and he gets to stay with Downerd. There was probably some advantages there too. But yeah, overall, it felt like there was some intention, especially with some of the traded and cut guys Nate Hobbs specifically. But others were just again, it felt like it had to happen kind of going into the offseason. Elton Jenkins, a great example of that. Rashawn Gary, a pretty strong example of that. It also should be noted that they have reinvested in some things this offseason, some things that we thought they would other things that we didn't know if they would. The most important is they reinvested in Matla floor, Russ Ball and Brian Utikin's the powers that be. They could have gone in a different direction. As I've talked about a couple of times this offseason, ad policy had a blank check to start from scratch if you wanted to the disappointing end of the season. You trade for Micah and you only make it to the first round of the playoffs and get eliminated. Fans were upset to a decent extent with the way things ended last year. Five games lost in a row. You're the new president CEO. Maybe you want your own guys. He could have gone in a different direction at coach. He could have done it at GM. He could have done it at salary cab guru. He could have done it with anything you wanted to. And instead, he said, No, I like all three of these guys. And it's really easy new new person in power to say like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna flex my muscles a little bit. And I'm gonna show you that I can do things better. Nope, wanted to stay status quo. So reinvested in the powers that be. They stuck with Adam Stenevich and Luke Bukkis at their respective positions. There was some question as to whether or not they should have hired maybe a new offensive coordinator and certainly offensive line coach, but they stuck with those two. Luke Getze gets promoted not only to quarterback's coach, but assistant head coach on the offensive side of the ball. DeMarcus Covington moves to outside linebackers coach, but also gets promoted to assistant head coach as well. So those two get a little bit of a promotion. They resign Sean Ryan. And I think the other one too is an interesting one here. They restructured Aaron Banks. And for those of you who are aware of the salary cap gymnastics of that, there's no new money there for Aaron Banks. He didn't get anything out of that transaction. Green Bay got salary cap space. Aaron Banks got more guaranteed money, but he doesn't get anything new in the deal. What he does get is basically job security. He's not going anywhere this year. They could have moved on if they wanted to they didn't. And by restructuring them, it makes it a really strong chance that he's going to be on the team next year as well. So they sort of in a roundabout way invested in Aaron Banks again, when they did have the opportunity to move on. So you had a lot of players that are gone, a lot of coaches that are gone, a special teams coordinator that's gone, a defensive coordinator that's gone. And in the meantime, you've reinvested in the powers that be. And then some some new coaches, Aaron Banks, Sean Ryan. And that's where you sort of net out with everything. I think it's an interesting question to beg how again, is Green Bay better, worse, neutral? There is zero argument that you can make that just on paper, okay? Just on paper from a pure roster standpoint, that they are better. If you want to make the argument of, well, Mike is coming back, Tom's coming back into yes, but we don't know what other injuries are behind door number two. And what's going to happen in 2026 and 2027, early 2027. We don't know that there's going to be other injuries that hit. Hopefully nowhere near as catastrophic as the injuries from a year ago. You just never know. We'll be right back. But yes, you get back but from a pure roster standpoint, let me ask you this. You know, if you were a GM of any team, would you trade John Fitzpatrick or Sheet Walker, Dantevian Wicks, Romeo Dobbs, Emmanuel Wilson, Malik Willis, Elton Jenkins, Rashaan Gary, Kingsley McBarre, Colby Wooding, Kway Walker, Nate Hobbs, Trayvon Diggs, Zane Anderson. Would you trade all of those players for Javon Hargrave and Zair Franklin? Skymore, Benjamin St. Juice, if you want to put them in there too? No, you wouldn't. No team, just again, not taking the salary cap stuff into consideration. What group of players would you rather have? I'd rather have the group that has, you know, Dobbs and Wicks and Walker and Jenkins and Gary. And a lot of those, by the way, I'm not losing sleep over. I'm not losing sleep over Hobbs or Diggs or Zane or Kway or Woodin or Nick Bari or Gary or Jenkins or Walker or Fitzpatrick, Wilson, Heath, maybe a little bit of Wicks and Dobbs, like kind of combined, but I still trust this wide receiver core unequivocally, and a little bit on Wicks, or sorry, on Willis, just because I don't think they have the depth that backup quarterback. But that's a lot of players that again played a lot of snaps a season ago. Just by pure bulk of it, they that's the group that you would go with. So it's hard to make any argument that they got better. I think you can argue from a pure talent standpoint that they got a little bit worse. But again, they have a lot of these positions where they got worse covered with young up and coming players that are not only ready, but need to play more. And again, the offseason is not over over with yet either. It is interesting to me that where maybe Green Bay with all this change, right, all the change that's been made, the areas that you felt like maybe needed the most change, cornerback, you swapped out Nate Hobbs for Benjamin St. Juice, but it doesn't quite feel like enough yet. Maybe defensive line. Alright, you swapped out Kobe Wooden for Javan Hargrave, but you also lost Rashon Gary and Kingsley Niggabari. So defensive front, right, whether you're 3443, they traded basically so far Gary and Igbari and Wooden for just Javan Hargrave. Alright, that's that's a little bit tough, right. And then on the offensive line, you've basically traded away Elton Jenkins and Rashid Walker for nothing in return. There's no new offensive lineman on the team at this point in time. So those areas where it felt like maybe needed the most change or most, you know, you know, new bodies, new faces, etc. They haven't really done much with those spots yet. Also, maybe, you know, somebody like Luke Butkus where you felt like, alright, that's clearly one where they're going to make a change. They didn't make a change there either. So I'm going to be very interested to see if Green Bay had a good pulse on this. And some of the ones that they brought back where maybe Packers fans were not so thrilled about it, were they right? Were they wrong? Did they invest in the right people, right players? Or should they have maybe kept some of the other ones? Does a Romeo Dobbs or a Kingsley Niggabari or a Don Tavion Wicks go on to have a Micah Hyder, Casey Hayward-esque career and you regret it and be like, I cannot believe they let that guy out of the building. I don't think so. Like I said, I'm not really losing sleep over anybody, but it's all going to be worth keeping an eye on. We got to taste again for this right away that there was going to be some sort of change by Goody just being as frustrated as he was. I think that they have made some really interesting moves that it's tough to tell if they kind of cut the head off the snake of whatever's been a problem within the locker room and things like that. But it does feel like there has been enough intentional turnover, some even unintentional turnover like Bassashiya, for example, where you do have a fresh voice in the coordinators with at least defensive coordinator and special teams coordinator. You do have some new veteran voices in guys like Javon Hargrave and Zyra Franklin. You do have new bodies on offense and defense and you've cleared some space with guys that were maybe not happy with their roles or now guys are going to be happier because there is a little bit less of a log jam at certain spots. I think you probably have addressed some of that, but I am so interested to see how this plays out. And if there is some addition by subtraction and if there are some other players either via the draft or players who can now step up because the opportunity is available or maybe free agency after the draft that can still fill some of these spots to maybe make you feel a little bit better about those net 5000 plus snaps that were lost so far this off season. The story is yet to come how they do, how they perform, what this roster actually gels together to be in 2026 and 2027. That's why we do all this. That's why we look forward to the games and that's why we actually get to enjoy the journey of a season. But it's been a heck of a journey this off season so far. And like I said, in the hidden in plain sight has been a pretty significant roster turnover that has lost the Green Bay Packers a total of about 7,836 snaps this off season. That's what I got for you guys today. Let me know what you guys are thinking better, worse and different. And it was this intentional. Is this something that Green Bay, based on the lack of success in the playoffs the last two years, wanted to go out and specifically turn over this roster in some real significant way. I'm in the middle because like I said, the vast majority of the starters are back in the same. And I think a lot of these moves were again felt very natural felt like almost a foregone conclusion. A lot of them. And so it's tough to tell what was like, we've got to we've got to purge. We've got to completely make over this team. And what was just the natural happenstance of an NFL off season. But again, suffice to say there has been quite a bit of change over both in the roster and in the coaching staff as well. Shout out to our all prone Hall of Fame members. 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