WarRoom Battleground EP 966: “Trad Inc” Increasingly Nervous That Traditionalists Consecrate New Bishops Without Papal Mandate
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•Mar 11, 20263 months agoSummary
The episode examines tensions within traditional Catholic circles regarding the Society of Saint Pius X's plans to consecrate bishops without papal mandate, discusses the Islamization of the UK through education policy changes, and celebrates a reversal in NHS gender ideology affecting minors.
Insights
- Traditional Catholic institutions are fragmenting between institutional hierarchy and grassroots traditionalist movements, with Bishop Schneider emerging as a rare voice supporting SSPX autonomy
- UK government policy reveals internal contradictions: simultaneously promoting Islamic accommodation while claiming to combat Islamism, creating incoherent social cohesion strategy
- Catholic institutional leadership prioritizes immigration advocacy and federal subsidies over doctrinal consistency, as evidenced by Supreme Court amicus briefs on birthright citizenship
- Woke ideology overreach on gender medicine for minors triggered backlash even within progressive institutions like NHS, suggesting limits to progressive institutional capture
- Religious institutions are increasingly weaponized as policy instruments by secular governments to advance demographic and ideological objectives
Trends
Institutional Catholic Church alignment with progressive immigration and gender ideology despite doctrinal conflictsDecentralization of religious authority as traditionalist movements reject modernist hierarchiesIslamic demographic assertiveness in Western institutions through legal and cultural pressure mechanismsReversal of gender ideology in healthcare after grassroots resistance and court challengesFederal subsidy dependency driving Catholic institutional policy positions on immigrationGenerational religious revival among Gen Z males in traditional Catholic communitiesGovernment codification of religious accommodation through anti-blasphemy and anti-hostility commissarsBankruptcy of Catholic dioceses linked to abuse settlements and loss of federal immigration subsidiesIntellectual incoherence in progressive policy frameworks attempting to balance incompatible ideologies
Topics
SSPX Bishop Consecration Without Papal MandateCatholic Church Immigration Policy and Federal SubsidiesUK Education Policy and Islamic AccommodationNHS Gender Affirming Care Restrictions for MinorsBirthright Citizenship Supreme Court Amicus BriefsIslamization of UK Public InstitutionsTraditional Catholic Institutional FragmentationGen Z Male Religious Engagement StatisticsCatholic Diocesan Bankruptcy and Abuse SettlementsUK Government Social Cohesion StrategyPuberty Blockers and Cross-Sex Hormones RestrictionsReligious Authority and Doctrinal ConsistencyCatholic Charities and Afghan Refugee Resettlement14th Amendment Citizenship InterpretationWoke Institutional Overreach and Backlash
Companies
One Peter 5
Catholic news outlet characterized as 'Trad Inc.' operation attempting to manage traditionalist movement fragmentation
Birch Gold Group
Precious metals investment firm sponsoring the episode with gold IRA rollover services
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Tax resolution firm offering IRS negotiation and back tax settlement services
People
Bishop Athanasius Schneider
Kazakhstan-based bishop who publicly supported SSPX episcopal consecrations, contradicting other cardinals' opposition
Frank Walker
Co-host analyzing Catholic institutional corruption, immigration policy, and Islamization trends
Jenny Holland
Co-host covering UK education policy, gender ideology reversals, and Islamization of British institutions
Pope Francis
Current pontiff characterized as 'Bergoglio 2.0' with concerns about doctrinal modernism and institutional direction
Pope Benedict XVI
Former pope whose validity was defended by Bishop Schneider amid traditionalist concerns about papal authority
Cardinal Mueller
Cardinal mentioned as traditionalist figure in debate over SSPX episcopal consecrations
Cardinal Sarra
Cardinal mentioned as traditionalist figure in debate over SSPX episcopal consecrations
Cardinal Zen
Cardinal who intervened on SSPX issue while deflecting responsibility to Pope Francis on Vatican II doctrine
Keira Bell
Young woman who brought court case against NHS gender clinic, leading to its closure and policy reversal
Dr. Alice Hodgkinson
Founder of Biology in Medicine campaign group commenting on adverse effects of cross-sex hormones in minors
Quotes
"We are doing this show not because we are anti-Catholic or because we hate the Catholic church. But because we love the Catholic faith and have perhaps to varying degrees on various varying occasions, a sentimental attachment to the institution of the church."
Host•Opening segment
"The Schism is the modernism embraced by 99% of the church hierarchy that they are the ones in Schism and the Lefebvreists who are consecrating in order to protect the integrity of the unchangeable Catholic faith. That is actually not damage of Schism. That's the remedy to the Schism."
Host•Mid-episode
"Leo is Bergoglio 2.0, more intelligent, more subtle, and more dangerous."
Host•Discussion of Pope Leo
"We are going to have a anti-Muslim blasphemy commissar. Children in the north of England are not going to be allowed to draw pictures of the baby Jesus. And we have a teacher still in hiding because on pain of death, he did something that was not acceptable."
Jenny Holland•UK education policy segment
"Cross sex hormones do not become any less harmful on a patient's 18th birthday there is mounting evidence of the long term adverse effects which include heart disease stroke and early mortality."
Dr. Alice Hodgkinson•Gender medicine discussion
Full Transcript
This is the primal screen of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because we're going medieval on these people. Here's how I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of them. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop. But you're not going to stop, but it's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Good evening. Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. It's that time once again in the week when we review all things to do with Christianity, Protestants, Catholicism. That's taken place over the last seven days with me, the usual stalwart members of the team, Frank Walker, Jenny Holland. Good evening to you both. Hello. It's an enthusiastic and so energetic. Great. Okay. So we're going to start. Look. First pick up a couple of things I want to say because I do read the responses that come in on social media. We are doing this show not because we are anti-Catholic or because we hate the Catholic church. But because we love the Catholic faith and have perhaps to varying degrees on various varying occasions, a sentimental attachment to the institution of the church. But what this is fundamentally a service we hope to the church. And I would suggest that one of the great obstacles to the possibility of the church evangelizing the secular society. Right throughout the West is the phenomenon and phenomenon of the sex abuse scandal, the clerical sex abuse scandal against kids that have been taking place over many decades, which came to life, came to light around what 20, 25 years ago. And one of the things that most damage is damage the Catholic church's credibility was the silence. Now many people stayed silent when they might have had a suspicion of what was going on. Because they believe talking about these things bringing them out into the right would fundamentally damage the church's credibility and their desire was fundamentally that. I think with the benefit of hindsight, we can see that that silence, the institutional silence, even the moving around of priests from one parish to another, rather than just kicking them out and going to the police. That has been with the benefit of hindsight, a catastrophic mistake. And I think it's fair to say that here on the war been we don't wish to perpetuate the same mistakes of saying staying silent when we see things in the church, which is wrong and that is why we are called in the spirit of charity and truth to talk about these things and try to pull the church back to the narrow path. I'm just saying that because some people, especially on Wimbled, seem to think that we have an impetus, an anti-Catholic impetus. And of course, nothing could be further from the truth. The real people in our crosshairs are of course the anti-Catholic hierarchs or dragging our church into the ground. So folks, having said that, it is clear that in times of crisis, heroes emerge. Frank Walker, it seems to me that one hero that is ever clearly ever clearly ever clearer, a pastor who is not abandoning the flock to the wolves is Bishop Schneider. Who said something in a private meeting and you're going to tell us a bit about it now, a couple of days ago, on the subjects of something that we've been discussing every week here on the war room, which is the imminent episcopal, the consequences of the society of Pope Pius X. He suggested, because it has been mentioned that if the Lefevrest, the SSPX, if they go ahead with these episcopal consequences that will incur latte centenancy, excommunication, automatic excommunications, because bishops are contributing other bishops without a paper mandate. So, we had into this debate entered Bishop Schneider. And he did agree, he was speaking in a private meeting, but he did agree to the publication of his private remarks. And then, he said, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. diocese out in a star, I think it is in Kazakhstan. All the more brave, I think, Frank Walker, because most, or all of the cardinals that had been showing a bit of ankle to crowds of the last five, ten years have basically publicly urged the SSPX not to go through with these episcopal concentrations, which the SSPX says it's necessary to continue its mission. Tell us, please put what Bishop Schneider said in its context and give me your thoughts and reflections to that, please. Well, I think Bishop Schneider was surprisingly positive about the SSPX concentrations. In every respect, he sort of agreed with them. I'm cynical, you know, I'm cynical, but because Bishop Schneider, way back a year ago, when Francis was on the scene, there was a lot of discussion about Francis' validity, since Benedict had really advocated, which is very, very unusual, and he was always defending Benedict's validity in the face of a lot of different evidence and poo-pooing it. That was his past, but here he's been very positive about the SSPX, and he did say that the X communications might not be valid in some respects, he said, and that is very brave and true. I think it's true, and the last time there was an X communication for this, they were lifted. And so he's not contradicting Pope Benedict here, but I think if he had gone and said, those X communications will be invalid, then he would get the Archbishop Vignot treatment. So he's avoided that. I just, I think that there's so much politically going on here with this, this situation is really frightening for Leo Church, and they're pulling out all the stops. Everything they possibly can to keep their project of Leo Church together, keep it from falling apart. For some reason, it seems like the little SSPX is really terrifying to the machine, to the machine that gave us the Vatican II Church, and Leo and Francis now, and they really don't want it to damage the Church, but this piece that you mentioned here at one Peter 5, which was, one Peter 5 was founded by a guy who eventually left the faith, and it was sort of a disgraced paper by the time it was over, and then it was bought up by a crisis magazine and bought up by Trad Inc. One Peter 5 is a Trad Inc. operation, and I see this piece here about Bishop Schneider highlighting it to be mainly a Trad Inc. sort of a therapy session to try to keep people on site with the SSPX and the whole Trad movement altogether in one big pile. They're afraid that they're going to lose the traditionalist movement with all of this that's going on, and the editor of One Peter 5 here is is sort of trying to soothe us and make us relax and worry, not worry about it so much. It's in God's hands. You don't want to be like the devil, you don't want to attack Bishop Cardinal Mueller and Cardinal Sarra, you want to remember we're all in this movement together. Don't be the circular firing squad, you know whenever they say that what they really mean is don't shoot me. That should be the motto of Trad Inc. Don't shoot me, because like you said it's the perpetrators who should be punished not the whistleblowers, how you open with here. Don't shoot me and don't forget to donate. Exactly. So you work, let's just look, we've got a couple of minutes before I don't add read here. One of the great strategies that Trad Inc. has pivoted to in these times along with the Gif Leo time mantra is the idea that that is a is a is a is a is a consecrating without the Pope's consent is a systematic act and that's probably the worst thing that could possibly happen right now. So let's encourage the dialogue between the SSPX and Smucci Fernandez. I have a different view, Frank Walker. I have a different view. I think that in as far as it's true that that's, Sism is a devastating phenomenon in the life of the mystical body of Jesus Christ. The Sism has already taken place. The Sism is the modernism embraced by 99% of the church hierarchy that they are the ones in Sism and the Lefebvreists who are consecrating in order to protect the integrity of the unchangeable and unchangeable Catholic faith. That is actually not that that's one of the damage of Sism. That's the remedy to the Sism that the modernist post-Consilia Church has been inflicting on the faithful over the last what 65 or so years. You mentioned Cardinal Moulin Cardinal and Sura who were both considered to be by some in some quarters to have been great stalwarts and defenders of traditional Catholicism. Cardinal Zenn has made an intervention. Now I have more sympathy for various reasons when it comes to Cardinal Zenn, sentimental reasons. I'm prepared to give him just a little bit more leeway, but he has himself made an intervention on this. Just before I do the outreach, could you just summarize for our viewers what Cardinal Zenn has said? Well, Cardinal Zenn is just like a Bishop's Knighter is very complimentary sort of flattering with them, but he's just like he did with China policy for Francis. He blamed it all on Cardinal Parallel. He's blaming everything on Cardinal Kazifranana's or the D.D.F. and he's saying go to Francis, go to Francis when it comes to Vatican 2, which it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's part of the, it has to be held together. It cannot be dropped. And when they come to you about the doctrines in Vatican 2, go to Leo. Leo is a good listener. This is Cardinal Zenn's message. It's, it's disappointing, really. It's disappointing, but it's not surprising because this is really how Cardinal Zenn handled the betrayal in China. Everything was very, very good, very helpful, very positive, and very supportive, except when it came to the solution. The solution is the Pope or the Leo or the Francis. That's a summary, I think of what Cardinal Zenn is telling them. Yeah, he said that go to Leo is a father. Well, that wouldn't, but you know, I'm not a Cardinal. Well, I, and that wouldn't be my advice. I'm extra, as you are, Frank Walker, we are on the show extremely vigilant regarding Leo and his governorship of the church. We have been since day one because we quite, I think quite correct. And I think each passing month is validating our original judgment call that Leo is bedgolio 2.0, more intelligent, more subtle, and more dangerous. Okay, standby fact, we'll be coming back to you. And about 20 minutes going to hear from Jenny in just a moment. But think about this folks back in 2006. If you'd have spent $20,000 on gold at spot price, you would have bought around 33 ounces. 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So once you text the ban and that's B A double N O N to 989898, again, ban and 2989898989898. Jenny Holland, we often say on the war room that it's no longer a true or accurate to refer to the UK as a post Christian society. It's more accurate to call it a pre-Islamic society. Some people think that that's scare tactics. Some people think it's an exaggeration. And yet attentive readers of the daily newspapers will know it's a pretty accurate indication of what's happening. You know what, before we hear from you on this one, before we hear from you on what's happened in the UK in the North Wing and with the educational thought, let's start off with a bit of good news because not only did you flag up this article that you wanted to share with the war in posse today, you also flagged up this good news coming out from New York. So Kyle, if you wouldn't mind, let's just quickly have the footage in and we'll carry on with Jenny. Absolutely, Pat, Pat. Just give me my ass there. Oh my god, it was wet. Shout out to St. Joseph. And you all know that I do talk about St. Joseph. This particular mass and it's four young adults on Somnese's XPM. This evening, I think it was generally, there was over well over a thousand people out of it. It was the most of our age seen yet. And I seen a start earlier in the week, it said, young adults between 25 and 30, both in male and female are up over a thousand percent in the last couple of years. I think it's four to five years. That is an absolutely insane start. And I will say that this evening was particularly full of young ones. And it was that busy that I was there well early and I couldn't even get a seat downstairs or setting upstairs and it was wet. So shout out to St. Joseph for doing a great job every Sunday. But shout out to all the young adults that are getting bike into your fear. I think it's a great thing. It gives you a ground, it gives you something to hold on to, it gives you something to help you out when you're doing well, when you're not doing well and when you need that, good or fear to rely on. So shout out to all the young adults. I purposely don't take any pictures of it. It was in the chapel because I've haven't asked the priest if I can do that yet or not. So I'm not going to him to lay give me the okay. But I wanted to show you as well as I can say it is absolutely wedged. I'll fast the priest first up. Well Jenny thanks for flagging that up. And you really are one of the great analysts on the phenomenon that is taking place amongst Gen Z right now, male 20 year old cohort of Gen Z. That statistic is absolutely astonishing. 1,000 percent increase at this church. And in the United States, it's a split screen isn't it? From what we've just seen on that video in the United States and the Renaissance in the seriousness of of Catholic church going in the youth to what is happening in our dear old beloved UK. Tell us a bit, this is an astonishing story. Tell us a bit about the cow towering behind the British education, and the councils having been warned that teachers teaching school kids how to paint, to draw, dancing, to music. This is all and how M in Islam is all against shurih al-aw. What's been the response to this? It's an outrageous story. Yeah, yeah. So as you all know, I'm coming in heart from the soon to be Islamic Republican of Great Britain and Northern Ireland today. And yeah, it seems to be accelerating somewhat these stories that are coming out fast and furious about the growing political clout of the Muslim demographic in the United Kingdom. And most recently, well, we had two stories back to back. First was this story coming from the north of England where local councils have warned schools not to approach or to be aware of allowing the school children to produce blasphemous work such as drawing the human form. And there was a little side bar as well on music where they said, well, of course, you can't not have music. But Islamic music is only allows voice and something about drums, I'm not an expert. So schools now are expected to be sensitive to Islamic children's faith and not be asked to do anything that they would consider blasphemous. So that's on the one hand, right? Then we have the British government, which really doesn't know its rear end from its elbow at this point saying that they're not going to do a blasphemy law. There's no way, no, no blasphemy, we're not going to reintroduce blasphemy blasphemy. Blasphemy laws were banned in the United Kingdom. But what we will do, they say, is we are going to a point, and anti, sorry, what is it? An anti-Muslim hostility, ZAR, or commissar, probably a better term, a commissar, to make sure that no one is being mean to Muslims. So on the one hand, it's definitely nothing to do with blasphemy, you understand, Ben. Okay, I want to be very clear. It's not about blasphemy, it's about anti-Muslim hostility. So although if you are a teacher in the north of England, they're explicitly using the word blasphemy as in these reports, warning teachers not to do, not to teach blasphemous or assign blasphemous classwork, important to note, one of the schools in the catchment area of the councils that have been putting these documents out, got into a terrible, terrible situation a few years ago when a, I think of the secondary school teacher, a British and English guy, showed a caricature of the prophet Muhammad in a class, and that man had to go into hiding where he still is with his family on pain of death. So we have currently a British man, citizen, hiding from essentially a religious edict calling for his death in the British Isles. A British citizen is living under this under this restriction, under this fear of death. So this new document though, it's been leaked to the spectator, and it's a 46 page, 47 page, what's it called, cohesion strategy that is calling for the appointment of this, which finder general. So so many things, I think the document is called protecting what matters. It seems like an attempt to me, Jenny Holland, to codify appeasement. Yes, yes it is. The growing Islamic militancy in the UK. That case you were phoned to about that school teacher, by the way, to grammar school up in the north of England, and that took place in 20 and 21. So that's what five years ago now, and he's still in hiring, hiding, because he had made the mistake of encouraging his pupils to draw the the the profit. Muhammad, a couple of things here, because teachers have also been warned, are not to ask students to rep, no, they're saying don't reproduce images of the profit, Muhammad or the figures considered to be profits in Islam, but that of course includes Jesus Christ as well. So so teachers are encouraged, being encouraged to encourage their students not to draw our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in the UK. This is we're not talking about Dubai or in Islamic, any so there's Islam about or any kind of Islam, we're talking about the UK, though of course the distinction is becoming ever more difficult to observe. So what does that say to you Jenny Holland that in the north of England, children are not allowed to draw pictures of Jesus Christ now because of Islamic sensibilities. Well, let's think this through. What do children in the UK do every December? Everyone gets involved in Christmas celebrations and Christmas and nativity plays and Christmas decorations and all of this stuff. And what is Christmas about Christmas is about the birth of Jesus. So are we going to have little little white children in northern English primary schools being terrified to draw a crown or draw other representations of the baby Jesus in case they get a thought to put on them or they're told by a headmaster somewhere or some sort of schoolmorm that they're very close to being blasphemers against the prophet Muhammad. I mean, this is completely unsustainable. Where is the church of England on this by the way? This is a Christian country. This is not a country that was founded like the United States, you know, as a republic, we are a Christian monarchy. In name only at this point, but they haven't gone through the trouble of changing the name. So we are still de facto that we have that heritage. And the fact that it's being, I wouldn't even say chipped away, I would say demolished with a sledgehammer and a chainsaw at this point. To recap, we are going to have a anti-Muslim blasphemy, anti-Muslim hostility commissar. Children in the north of England are not going to be allowed to draw pictures of the baby Jesus. And we have a teacher still in hiding because on pain of death, he did something that was not acceptable. That was a crime against the Muslim religion. If you want to live under Muslim religious standards, move to a Muslim religious country. And that's not England. You're all just staying in England because it will be a Muslim country within our own lifetimes. This is immediately right. Give me 10 seconds because we're going to the break now. But this is in the UK, this is an Islamophlex. This is the Islamic community may showing their muscle with the British established ablishment, right, so that the bridge can feel duly cowed in the quest. But it's actually kind of worse because the full document, or as mentioned by the spectator, also says that Islamism is the... 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Well, for those of you sitting on the edge of your seats waiting for to hear the rest of what Jenny Holland was saying. Stand by. We're back to her in about five, ten minutes time. Where she's going to continue the theme that she was mentioning. In the meantime, Frank Walker, is it a surprise to you that the US Conference of Catholic bishops has lobbied scotus via the Supreme Court in the United States via a former Amicus briefing lobbying in favor of the preservation of birthright again in vegetable commas birthright citizenship for invaders and cababies. This is in response to I think it's an executive order that President Trump signed. Back on the first day of him resuming office back in 2025 suggesting our ordering and the federal government not to recognise citizenship of children of parents who were present illegally in the United States. This obviously going to the Supreme Court hence the present situation. Tell me a bit. Why is the Catholic Church, which ought to be a vehicle for the for the for the for the for the the the spread and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why is the Catholic Church getting involved in this? And what did it say in its Amicus briefing? Well, this is their this is their gift. This is the where they make an awful lot of money and it's not surprising they're they're I you know since they filing bankruptcy over over abuse charges all over the place you would you would think they wouldn't be able to afford to spend so much time with the Supreme Court. It's going to be kind of expensive. But and they're and they're happy to to go to the courts on every little procedural monkey rights that they can throw into the way ice operates taking way their control their local control making sure that they have to permit them to do all sorts of things. Everything they possibly didn't do to slow down and stifle the deportations that are happening they'll do. So this is this has birthright citizenship puts puts a stop some from saying you're separating families. They love to say how oh they're separating families and they love to talk about the children but they really don't ever have a case birthright citizenship has been going on in the United States for I think over a hundred years now it came with the 14th Amendment it was about slavery but it isn't really you know inherent to the Constitution and but the bishops who wouldn't make any difference their their points are never really legal their points are human dignity their points are what they would call moral you know and since none of them are Catholic they really aren't in any kind of position to make Catholic points they say it it's against equality of peoples because they're they're favoring citizens over non-citizens and they're taking that to the Supreme Court but what about citizens rights they don't care about that what about the citizens dignity they never address that you know they just there's some people like the heritage foundation that says you know they're really that it's always a one-way street with this human dignity argument that they have at the court and you know they're more about political statements than moral ones that's the case of the people against us and they also say it's something that's fundamental to all societies and it's fundamentally Catholic but most Catholic countries don't even have birthright citizenship only some countries have it the Vatican doesn't have it for example they you know they really and to the Islamization point that you're talking about it's happening in the United States extremely quickly and the bombers at the recent outside Gracie Manchin of the story of these these young men with homemade bombs those men were brought in from Afghanistan with the help of Catholic charities and they're and they're living one of them lives in like almost a three million dollar house you know it's and the Islamization is happening they're setting up three accords and all kinds other cases to support this they're just in union with that they're making all that happen the bishops themselves so I've got two points to make oh three points then we're responsive that you said I think the the administration is going to eventually make the argument that the 14th amendment was primarily concerned with ensuring that former slaves who were freed after the the civil war would have the full recognition of being US citizens and there's a very strong argument that it wasn't about granting the 14th amendment wasn't about granting citizenship to anybody who was born in the United States because there was there's the famous clause about subject to the jurisdiction thereof which indicates of course that citizens of other countries or wavy diplomats etc etc who have children don't automatically get the citizenship and there's but there are two immediate responses to to this story and the first is to warn faithful Catholics hapless Catholics or some extent but faithful American Catholics that this is where your collection plate money is going you might be putting that money in the collection plate for the winning of your parish church we're getting flowers for the altar for the feeding of the poor wife you but this is going to pay lawyers to present these amicus briefings at the supreme court so you're going to ask yourself in the recesses of your own conscience whether you think your your your donor collection plate money is being well spent by the hierarchy my most fundamental point Frank and I just hand back to you on this one is that if you look as you say and you did expound what the what the Catholic Church's argument is to do with the sort of the inherent dignity of individuals being made in the image lines of God and all the rest of it the argument that the Catholic Church is the the the the institutional Catholic Church is presenting in its amicus briefing aren't so much an argument in favor of birthright citizenship it's an argument about denying us citizenship to anybody full stop who asks for that and that's the sort of the concern that I have because they're operating under the principle that anyone born outside of the United States is simply basically a block of clay and they only get the full dignity of humanity once they get the US citizenship now I'm sure there are many people who follow the womb who actually think yeah that's absolutely true to be to be American is the highest form of humanity and citizenship confirms that dignity I'm joking of course but the truth of the matter is that invaders illegal third world invaders are made in the image and likeness of God that comes with conception and that remains until until death you don't need to illegally break into another country to have that dignity ascribed to your being and that but that's the sort of the the subtext of the Catholic Church is the argument here which I do find slightly confusing just give me 60 seconds before we have to rush back to to journey on this point the arguments are fundamentally against the idea of the US denying citizenship to anybody right exactly because they they say that it's church teaching that you're not allowed to do that like you're percent but the the true Catholic teaching and the the attorneys that are on the opposite side or they say it'd be nice to have somebody elucidate actual Catholic teaching that would be nice you know if we had a different Pope we would have and different bishops and we would have Catholic teaching because Catholic teaching says this isn't really a Catholic issue the lawmakers of any country have a right to make these decisions themselves it is really about human dignity or not a Catholic church would not say I mean why would they say that a country that isn't really even Catholic is better for people than people that are are are leaving in country that is Catholic you know if they're coming for Latin America they're they're leaving Catholic countries why would a Catholic church say that it's better for them to leave a Catholic country and go somewhere else you know they're they're they're just making up very species very weak very thin arguments there were our persuasive anybody and I think it's just desperation El Paso diocese were the head chief illegal legal illegal aliens grift bishops sites is is is filing bankruptcy they say it's because of the changes to the abuse laws but really it's because Trump has cut off completely they're gravy trained down there they just don't have the money that they had and it's all about that it's all about the money you ask the rhetorical question Frank Walker why is the Catholic bishops conference producing these species arguments and you answer the question in your opening words as you announced your your announced on this it's about the grift it's it's simply about the grift of the hundreds of millions that they get every year if not billions from the in subsidies from the US federal government it's about it's about continuing to suck at the teeth of a of US taxpayer 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So the what Frank was just saying about the sort of intellectual incoherence of the of the church's argument on immigration in the states there's some reflection on this document produced by this labor government which is called protecting what matters on social cohesion quote unquote the the the obvious raising up and making special giving special status to Islam as a religion is the core part of this document even at the expense of free speech and all this all this very important foundational stuff however the document also says that Islamism is Islamic extreme and extremism is the biggest problem to so threat to social cohesion in the United Kingdom and it also says that Britain's must not should but must embrace LGBTQ lifestyles ideology etc so this is a dogs dinner as they say here this is neither fish nor foul nor good red herring it will it makes sense to no one and will please no one and I think that's fundamentally because progressive liberal left wing people are living in the delusional space where everyone can be happy and everyone can be special and everyone can have everything they ever wanted and no one is illegal and love is love and I think there's a very large proportion of the United of the United Kingdom civil service and political class that is completely in throw to this obviously incorrect to put it politely idea so we have this like whips whips sawing back and forth between common sense policy and pie in the sky fantasy policy that is also completely egregious in terms of civil liberties and is a threat to the British way of life so the gender thing here has been a really good example of this as well because while you had for many years a very captured NHS in terms of gender ideology NHS calling breastfeeding, chest feeding and encouraging trans women i.e. men to breast to lactate which I won't go into the details of because they're so foul and also having gender self-id so a man could just say yeah I'm a lady and that's the end of it and men and women's prisons and all the rest of it you had a very very effective pushback year spearheaded by the now famous TERFs of the United Kingdom and so it was announced this week that the NHS would no longer be treating children under the age of 18 with cross sex hormones this follows on from a ban on puberty blockers which happened recently as well so it seems to me that this effectively kills off gender affirming care i.e. experimentation and child sex characteristic mutilation in the United Kingdom so that is very very good news on children um let me read something to you by Dr Alice Hodgkinson who's the founder of the campaign group biology in medicine and she writes in welcoming the NHS announcement which for the American sense on the national health service um she writes that cross sex hormones do not become any less harmful on a patient's 18th birthday there is mounting evidence of the long term adverse effects which include heart disease stroke and early mortality let me ask you do you think this move on behalf of the NHS reflects somewhat that the woke lobby overextended itself a with badly presented arguments and this is somewhat of a a counter reaction to those to those early gains that that the woke brigade made what 100 percent i mean i think like like in the United States the the idea of transgender children is across the board horrifying to all sane people who aren't captured by woke ideology and in the UK we had a very significant court case brought by a young woman who was transitioned as a teenager her name is Kira Bell and she you know brought this court case which eventually led to the shutting down of the preeminent gender clinic here or in London it is um and so you know it is just obvious on its face that children cannot consent to having their puberty blocked and that it is obvious that puberty serves an important physical physiological and biological function to the human body and should not be paused quote unquote i will say because you can't pause preeminent anyway really and that men should not be given or boy should not be given estrogen and girl should not be given testosterone you don't need a medical degree to uh to understand this i mean as the most famous of all the English Turks Kelly J Keen said i may not be a vet but i know what a bloody dog is you don't need a degree in medicine to know that children should be allowed to grow up free from having their bodies pumped with you know synthetic cross sex hormones however as much as the common sense regular folk understand this um and as much as woke did overreach and on the issue of transgender um i would not um say that it's the threat is passed i would say that these are actual demons who have been working in this ideology and and embedding itself in all institutions across the western world um so i would i would caution against um letting the guard down in any way even though it is a massive victory and i hope that other NHS you know whale scolan whatever will follow um and uh it's it is an absolute blessing that children will no longer be mutilated by doctors in um under the NHS in England i just have two quick things to say Jenny um first thing is that current children who are already on these treatments are allowed to continue them but what the announcement has said is that there's going to be no new refills and since we've been on air i did get a text to correct me on my Arabic earlier on in the first half anything which is against sharia law is not how i'm which is a harry it's um it's how i'm sorry i obviously didn't pay i didn't obviously wasn't paying enough attention when i was at um islamic school in uh in our religious education classes at school because we didn't have those then Jenny you i know you've got a book coming out just give me 20 seconds on your socials and and preview the book that you're going to be publishing having published quite soon well i don't know how soon but um you can find me on youtube at saving culture from itself and on substack at jenny e holland dot substack dot com many thanks jenny did you absolutely a star pushing out some of these arguments out on social media and frank walker i i say this every week with this absolutely true every day i check the canon 212 website greatest website there's an agrogator of everything i need to know about what's happening in the catholic church where do people go to to keep informed between our shows here on the war room yeah canon 212 yeah and also canon 212 spelled out on twitter and the daily update is at glory tv and at rumble perfect that's it folks will be back next week's tv will be in the chair 10 a.m. tomorrow thanks to kyle and this crack team do you owe back taxes or you haven't filed your taxes in years now is the time to resolve your tax matters with the national conversation around abolishing the income tax the irs is fighting back improving it's here to stay by becoming more aggressive than ever before they're sending out 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