Ultimate Bugatti is Here, Volvo Brings Back Wagons, and Doug's Insane Memory

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Filippo. And there's a lot to discuss starting with Bugatti. The very coolest car ever. This is so cool. So this is the Bugatti FKP homage, which stands for Ferdinand Carl Pieck, one of our favorite automotive dynasties. He is an absolute killer. A legend. A legend. Absolute legend in the automotive business. But this car pays homage to the Veyron, which came out 20 years ago, which is over 20 years ago, which is hard to believe. But this is a one-off based on the Chiron, but it's supposed to look like a Veyron. And they're only building one of these, and it has some annoying details that you would hate, like it has an AP Royal Oak clock on the dash and stuff like that. But the big news is that it really looks like a Veyron, down to the wheels, like the original wheels we love so much. This is the coolest thing. This is so cool. Have you seen this? Yeah, of course. We all agree that the She-Run is better, but the Veyron is cooler. Absolutely. Boom. Boom. Yeah. Problem solved. That is so cool. I saw the picture of this last week after we did our pod, and I thought it was just the absolute coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. I couldn't agree with you more. It is such a neat idea to take the Veyron, which was a compromised car in a lot of ways. Technically, it's very expensive to own, very difficult to own, and now starting to get dated. and to modernize it and update it with all the with the chiron improvements but to like keep the look it's like all those bs companies that are making retro versions of like the diablo and the 550 355 and all these things except bugatti did it and well right exactly it is weird to think the varon is now a throwback car yeah but it is i mean it's been up for a long time but i agree i do wish that it were the blue the blue and black that's my favorite on the van but nonetheless like they really went they explained they went into a lot of detail to make sure everything was as close as they could get it but just looked a little bit more modern like the front grill is different but they were really careful about that and they paid a lot of attention to their heritage which i respect i'm actually surprised they were able to get this amalgated for road use i'd be a little curious to know the story obviously this car was commissioned by the one person who has it and i'm wondering what their country's rules are in the u.s this car would have to be recertified because it's like a completely different design it's not just a slightly different body panels i mean it's like a totally different look. You have different angles and different dimensions, and materials are different, and I'm really, really surprised that this was able to just sort of happen. Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't believe it was for a U.S. customer. They said that this cost 10 million euros, so I suspect that it's probably staying. Well, yeah, and I think if you look at the picture of his, because that's not a U.S. car, because it doesn't have the orange marker. DOT markers, that's right. I love this car, and I love Ferdinand Pieck. And right up until this point, the only other car to pay tribute to Ferdinand Pieck in its name was... FKP. The Lamborghini Scion, which was technically called the Lamborghini Scion FKP37, which was a reference to his initials and his birth year. Right, it just rolls off the tongue. Needless to say, no one knows that's what that car is called, but that was technically its full name. This, yes, very cool execution on that car, very cool execution on this one. This one better. This is, I think, one of the coolest cars in existence. And if it only costs 10 million euro, that's crazy to me. Like, she runs regularly sell for 4 million euro. This car is obviously going to be a tremendously special collectible one day. This car is a reason to get rich. Hmm. Sure. There aren't a lot of things out there that are reasons that you really want to be real. This car is one of them. Like people think there's a lot. Oh, I want to fly pride. All that stuff is either overblown or dangerous or bad or stupid or it comes with headaches. But this car, this is the thing. Having a new Bugatti that looks like an old one. That's the reason to get a slightly old one. A slightly old one. Not a Type 37, just one from 20 years ago. I just think it's so cool. I also love these bespoke cars. Like Ferrari's doing this now, too. And obviously Bugatti's done it. Lambo's done it a little bit. doing these one-off things for people who are just willing to pay for them. That's what we are so into that the Sultan of Brunei did back in the day. And these companies are still letting it happen within reason. And it's kind of cool to see it. Okay, you got $10 million. Pretend you could buy one. Yeah, I would. You buy that over anything else for $10 million? Well, I only have $10 million to spend on one car. Is this one of those stupid, I live in Singapore and my garage is only one space? by the time you get to this you've owned all that other yeah the dude's got 38 other cars yeah exactly he has this one to be clear and probably the watch that's in it is like he the owner collaborated with which is a very rich guy i think i don't even think that the watch is is silly even though i hate that you don't no because like this is all about like bespoke one-offness like that it should have like really cool details to be clear for everybody it's a royal it's a royal Oak Tourbillon. Ah, Royal Oak Tourbillon, which is a very good car. David Lee hooked me up with one of those. Yes, probably. All right, give us our next news story. Oh, geez. Good lord. The new 7s. Apparently, BMW dealers are starting to really request and push BMW corporate for an X9. So BMW's lineup has X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, but then it stops. There's nothing bigger than an X7. Let me ask you this. Why aren't they pushing for an X8? You know, they might because the X8 would be too coopy. Historically, the even number is the coop version of the odd number. The X2 isn't coopy. It is coopy compared to the X1. No! Yes! That is their naming structure. The evens are coop. I know that, but the X2 is not. Have you seen an X2? They look like a normal... Have you seen it? Pull up an X2, please. I'm sorry, Kenan. We have to get this right for our listeners. The X2 doesn't have a sloped roof. It just has the two BMW logos on the outside. I'm not wrong about this. Is that not a sloped roof? How would you describe that? That's the new body. Yes, what do you think we're talking about? I'm trying to describe the original. I'm sorry, do you think that we're not talking about the new car? We're off the rails. The point is they want to do an X, a larger, they want to do like an Escalade competitor. If you look at the dimensionally, the X7 is smaller than other cars in its segment as a three-row. However, it's also been out for six years. I would argue just let them redesign it. We don't necessarily need a long—I mean, what are we talking about, like a Suburban? They want like an Escalade or Tahoe-sized vehicle, which is 10 inches longer than an X7. So they failed with the XM going for a GWAC and competitor. So now they want to choose an Escalade competitor. That's their target. I'm not surprised that American BMW dealers want something that competes with that kind of top-tier. It doesn't make sense to me. A GLS is only two inches longer than an X7. Sure, but an Escalade's eight inches longer than that. Well, what's a Tahoe? Tahoe is eight inches longer than an X7. They don't want a GLS competitor. They want a Tahoe competitor. Well, they already have a GLS competitor in the X7. They want something even bigger because they need to sell cars in Texas. It seems odd to me. Why not just make the X7 a little bit bigger and solve both problems? I think they would be okay with that, too. Give it a backpack. Steelers just want more SUVs, and they want more large SUVs to kill America. The X7 is small. It came out at a time when the three-row segment was kind of burgeoning. It's Q7 size, even. Yeah, it really was. But now things are bigger in general. Let's give us another larger X7. We're not surprised the dealers want it. I hear bad things about the third row and the X7 as far as usability. I will also say there was news this week that Volvo is considering a vehicle larger than the XC90. And so I think there is a little bit of a push to go larger. The XC91. XC110? I guess it's better than XC. There aren't. Odd. I guess the XC is odd. XC100. No, but the odds have historically been... My take on BMW's naming structure is correct. It's generally right. It's not just generally right. It is at this moment actually correct. But you admit the original X2 looked normal. Is there a new X4? There might not be. I think they did do a new X4. Although that car has not been successful. You know why they're not calling it an X8? Because any badge that's ever worn in 8 in BMW's history has not been commercially successful. What about the new 8 series? The latest 8 series. Don't want to call it a huge commercial success. No, isn't it already failed? Yeah. Anyway, the point is, I'm not surprised. Everybody wants big vehicles. Everybody wants SUVs. The more SUVs, the merrier. Yep. Factually accurate. That's just the truth. Everybody's upset about this. Canon's upset about this. All the BMW people. BMW has left behind. Well, look what buyers have left you behind. Well, yeah, I don't care. I tuned out of that a long time ago. I'm not buying new ones. I want to keep the old ones around. You know what continues to hit me as I think about this? When my mom bought an Isuzu rodeo off the showroom floor from Jerry Roth Isuzu in Aurora, Colorado in 1992. Brag about it. Yeah, with a stick shift and steel wheels. Brag worthy. That car didn't have intermittent wipers. Yeah. You had to. There was an individual, like one wipe, and then there was on and off. And so you had to just. Turn off. I love that level of humility. That's what we could afford. Anyway, the point is, back in that era, buying an SUV required real compromise. Yeah. And now it just doesn't. And so the reason that all these people have been left behind with their sedans is you can sit up higher and still have the same driving dynamics, the same acceleration, the same NVH. It didn't used to be that way with SUVs. And so you know what your new car is? X5M. Yep. Yeah. I'll stick with my old one. There is a Canon out there who's 7 right now, who the X5M is going to be his E39 M5. Or you could just have a regular X5 because it has the best BMW inline 6. The B58. I got behind a rear-wheel drive one today. Did you? And that's a S-Drive 40. Yeah, I understand things. Things have changed, and younger demographics will laud these cars that are out now. I'm just sticking with my E39. I'm happy with that. Well, the rest of the world wants their sport utes. In fact, right here behind me is an X5. Okay, next news story, please. Volvo must be believed. Volvo V60. Volvo had said that they're done with wagons. But in a series of interviews, the chief strategy and product officer, Michael Fleiss, said that, yes, he thinks that there's a market segment in the U.S. for wagons. And I quote, even interestingly, China is coming up with wagons. It's hot right now. so people are really liking wagons that is a direct quote so there's a chance of volvo wagons will continue and we'd all be thrilled wagons are hot dude i was the last holdout i have never not had a wagon i was the last holdout i currently own a wagon i thought it was it had come down to a trickle it was down here it was at the very and i got one of the last ones in existence i got the outback here you know the outback is now taller than a rav4 taller in height than a rav4 That's not a wagon anymore. I didn't get into the specifics because I think the point is made. The Outback is 8 inches taller than my E450. And your E450 is like 3 inches taller than my actual station wagon. The wagon is dead. But it might be back. So who's still doing wagons? Audi's got the A6 and the RS6. Mercedes has the M5. Mercedes has the E450 and the E63. And then you also have the Porsche electric. In other markets, there are other manufacturers. Not many. wagon. All of the main European manufacturers have a wagon. I know, but every time I go to Europe, which is every two years or so, it's SUVs. It's sad. It looks like America. It's really sad. Smaller SUVs, though. No X9s. Smaller SUVs. No X9s. You never see X7s. Like, an XC90 is a huge luxury vehicle in Europe. As a kid, when the Q7 came out, the first-gen Q7, it looked so incredibly giant. Yeah. You would see some 20s. You know, he tries to play this off. He claims he moved to the United States in, like, 2000, but now he's over here when the Q7 came out when I was a boy. That was 2007. I would still go back to it. He tries to play both sides of this whole thing. Is he Italian? Is he American? We don't know. He's an enigma. Yes. I'm thrilled to have Volvo wagons. They're all going to be electric? I'm thrilled to have Volvo wagons. They make nice looking cars. Wagons are nice. I've never to this day had a Volvo station wagon. Neither have I. Do you ever have one? Of course. obviously who and who and who in your circle of friends when you were a kid had a volvo wagon we had one my buddy brett shea his mom had one it wasn't common in the midwest it was odysseys were really popular at that time that was like yeah you you're too you're too young like it was you're a little post volvo wagon madison wisconsin wagon central got a we have a couple friends in the v70s had a couple legitimately two different friends with stick legacy wagons the 09 generation Oh, wow. Yeah. When I was like 20, my best friend Joe in Denver had a V70 cross country. Yeah. And we took that to Car Week one time. Really? I was driving around Car Week in a V70 cross country. What a green. 2000. Like the boxy white. What color was at the top? White. With black on the bottom. Oh, black. But this wasn't the next gen. This was like a 99. No, I know. This was like the first boxy one. You said V70 XC. Of course I know. Yeah. Although the first two years of the then next generation car was also called V70 XC. They didn't come out with XC70 for like two or three model years after the 2001 model came out. That's something for you to look up. We're deep into Volvo wagons now. I'm right about this. You can look on our site. I bet we sold a bunch. We haven't sold that many. It's a shame. All right, let's keep going. What's our next news story? Oh, this. Yes, Bertone. So for those of you unfamiliar, Bertone was a design house from – well, yeah. Still is. Then still is. They got bankrupt a few times. They're around. Exactly. Exactly. Like all good Italian design houses, they've gone bankrupt a couple of times. Kind of. But they've recently released this. They're calling this their Neo-Retro Rebirth of the Otto Bianchi A112 Runabout, which originally debuted in 1969 and looked insane. This is a little bit different in that that car gave birth to the Fiat X19. Yeah. This is, I don't really... From the side, it looks like a little wedgie the same way that the X19 did and the original Runabout did. Definitely. But unlike that car, which was powered by a Fiat engine when made 50 horsepower, this is powered by a 3.5-liter supercharged V6 with 468 horsepower and a manual transmission. And Doug is looking at Volvo wagons. I'm wrong, and I apologize to everybody. I apologize to everybody. It's based on the Exige architecture underneath. But I think this is so cool. They're only going to build 25 of these, and they're going to cost 390,000 euros. 390,000 euros for an Exige with a Camry V6. Big V6. But the thing that's, one of the things, there's a lot that stands out on this car. But one of the things to me is that it has pop-up headlights, which I think is fascinating because I thought those were not loud. When you're only selling 25 cars, they're never going to see the road. Yeah. If that can be done, then I won't see. When your picture is AI, you can have anything else happen. Right. You got this guy who looks like George Clooney quite a bit. Yeah. I think it's super cool. I mean, they never got to make the original runabout because it became X-19, but they never made the runabout. And now they can make the runabout. I actually think it looks almost cooler than the original runabout. It does. I agree. They're making 25. This isn't a news. We're never going to see these things. There's also some Ferrari, like, what is it? Conceco? What's it called? Conceiso. Conceiso. Yeah. There's a little bit of that in there, too. No one's ever going to see this car. It's not a thing. 25 units. Is it a manual? Yes. It's a six-speed manual transmission. Damn, I want one now. I'll pay the 390. Euro, sorry. The dollar's a little weak right now. It's not going to be sold in the U.S. The product is not. It's an Exige. It's going to drive like an tight and little and buzzy. Does an Exige drive poorly? No, but it's like you hear Bertone. You hear Italian. You want some leather. You want a little more to it. You want a little more car. You want a little more quality. We think about Italy in different ways. Well, have you ever been in an Exige? Have you ever been in a Fiat Uno Turbo? No leather there. No, but when I think of an Italian sports car, an Exige is like a buzzy little lightweight thing. That was never Italy's thing when it came to sports cars. My Fiat 100 Barth Cabriolet begs to differ. That's not a sports car. First off, a sports car, by definition, is rear-wheel drive. Or all-wheel drive. I mean, the Honda Prelude begs you different. Yeah, dude. Yeah. There's a real sports car. Price like one. The WRX-SCI I'm looking at. Or all-wheel drive. That's not a sports car. A sports car, by definition, two doors. Two doors. That's Trump right. He's not wrong. A sports car is a two-door rear-wheel drive, but increasingly I'll accept all-wheel drive because manufacturers have gone there. But a sports car needs to be two doors and rear or all-wheel drive. That's sports car. The STI sports car or not sports car? It's all-wheel drive. It's available front-wheel drive. The front-wheel drive one is a golf wearing a dress. The WRX STI is a performance car. Oh, well, this is a sports car, and it looks delightful. It doesn't have to be comfortable. Anyway, it's not cool. It's in 25 units. This is a news story. Does anybody care about this? If you care about this, tell us about a one-on-one car. And the Volvo Wagons, which they're going to sell $2,000 of. We haven't actually covered any news today. It's relevant to anybody. The X9 would sell. The X9 would sell. But they're not going to make that. So that's zero. Well, I'm into this and George Clooney's. I'm into it, too. I think it's cool. Move on to the next story. I want to talk about Rag & Bone for a second. This is a brand I've loved for years. Their stuff has always reminded me of a really well-built car. Timeless design, great materials, and nothing overcomplicated. 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I would only need one because you can only drive one car at a time. and so chuck wallace and i saw the drive posted this you know the drive over there i'm familiar with the drive yeah yeah they post this on their instagram and i was reading the comments and the comments were all like oh god another racetrack's gonna be ripped from our hands oh no developers are coming for a racetrack folks i'm gonna be honest with you developers are cool for this okay it's way too there's nothing near there but you you've ever been to chuck wallace you'll know why this will only ever be a racetrack. You pass nowhere and you keep going. But no one's living here. This is like as good as it gets for about 500 miles. By the way, it does include the airport. The airport's included in the sale. By airport, I want to be clear. There's a runway. There's a runway. It's a long, flat piece of unimproved pavement, which you probably can't land a real airplane at. Apparently it's in good condition. Good condition. But I'm sure the desert sun will change that. Can you imagine weeding that runway out there? No. Like the amount of, what is it called? It's the raid or whatever? Probably in California it's been banned. Yeah, they go to Arizona. They get like industrial-sized jobs. They do go to Arizona. That's where you buy rent. That's exactly right. Listen to that. We've been out. You and I have been to Chuck Ball. That's right. You've been a couple of times. We did a track video on it. We saw Nick right here in this corner spin out and almost go into the wall. By the way, this is just a picture. There's an actual race track. If you're a potential buyer, don't worry. It's not just a parking lot tire thing. There's a real race track. We should talk about why this might actually be somewhat notable. I don't think it's notable at all. Someone else is going to buy it. It's going to be great. Okay, so the concern is Willow Springs got bought by a private equity company. And it's going to be great. The concern is that the price per track day, the price per rental has reportedly double-tribbled in the time they've owned it. Willow? Yeah, which is reasonable because, well, they want it to make money. All the more reason to buy Chuckwalla. Willow's three times as expensive to attract. They start advertising to all the Willow people and get them down here. So there are some concerns that whoever buys it will want to modernize it. Maybe they'll want to make it safe. Maybe they want to have food Maybe they want to have bathrooms I don know They may want to do crazy things to make livable And then it be expensive and we be out of reach for people in L Or anywhere else It could be improved. Could be improved. Like, the thing about Chuck Walla, I love it dearly, and it's great. And some of my greatest memories of Chuck Walla, in addition to the track day, when we rented it out for a private track day for just us video, I also, Chuck Walla was where we did the Starato launch, and that changed my life. You know, I was at the Starato launch, and one of the PR people comes up to me. and it's a woman and she says hey doug nice to meet you and i you know people always come up to these things like oh and she says hey you know she goes uh my dad has a career gt i'm like damn wow most people are like oh i got a miata yeah yeah yeah no i'm like oh my god i still remember that it's never happened before um regardless it's for sale i hope that something cool happens with it and doesn't make it what's gonna happen it's gonna still be a racetrack i agree i agree bad if it was out of reach. However, when we went out there for our track day, we had to stay in Palm Springs, which was like two hours away, and wake up at five in order to drive out there and get there for the call time. And then they'd drive back. Yeah, and then it was like six hours back. We all went in my station wagon because none of us wanted to drive that far in any of our sports cars. It's far. It's far. But there's obviously some concern, like thermal is members only now. There's a concern to become not a track that's accessible. There is no situation in which people will pay for private memberships to this facility. Well, if you live in Palm Springs, it's only two hours. Yeah, but thermal is right there. And I don't even think that this is dramatically further out than Willow is. Like, they're all out there. For San Diego, this is a good track. If you live in Blythe, it's nearby. If you're in Blythe and you have a Camaro... They do have a drag strip. The airport serves as a drag strip. Really? I didn't know that. They have staging loads for it. That's how they keep the weeds off. Yeah. Sean. Sean. We got to get out here. We got to rent this place out. What the hell? We're running this place out. Folks, it's not selling before we can. Got to rent it out now. I can't believe our beloved track is going away. We're going to build condos. We're going to build condos. Assuming they can have sewers reach there. Assuming they can build it. The great irony is the idea of them building condos. If you wanted to build condos, you know what you'd do? You'd buy the plot of land next door, which is undeveloped and free. It is literally free. Yeah. Lake Tamarisk. All right. Next news story, please. Yes. Speaking of tracks. So there is a sale right now. There's a deal in the UK that has these two cars, a downdraft Lamborghini Coon, just a 5,000 QV, and this. This is the Lotus Type 102 F1 car that raised in the 1990s, 1990 specifically. And what's notable about it is that it's powered by a Lamborghini V12. Wow. Now, Doug. Which one? Which V12? The LE3512, which stands for Lamborghini Engineering 3.5 liter V12 cylinder engine. The LE3512 Lamborghini Engine 3.5 V12. Engineering, I think is what it stands for. We're still trying to figure out what LM02 stands for. Right. No, but it's just LAMU. That's all it stands for. But the reason I bring this up, I mean, it's very cool. To be clear, the engine in this Formula 1 car was terrible. It had zero wins. It had zero pole positions. It had one podium in its history. Not a good engine. One podium is real. Right. It's bad. It was a bad engine. But my point with this is that you have often incorrectly asserted that the Carrera GT has a Formula 1 engine, which it does not because it was never in a Formula 1 car. However, this engine, which is slightly related to the Countach's V12, was in a Formula 1 car. And so, you know what? Very big. You know what I get out of this? Yeah. You know what I get out of this? They added a couple liters, a liter and a half. Here's what I've learned. Here's what I've learned. My Carrera GT has a Formula One engine. It does not. Sure. Now we know that my Countach has a Formula One engine. Wow. It does. The other Formula One engine in our group, Nick's P38, has a Formula One engine. Our friend Nick Roshan was a P38 Range Rover. Okay, here's this tie-in. Have you heard this before? Thankfully, I have not. All right, here's the deal. The Land Rover V8 of that era was derived from a General Motors V8 that was produced between 1953 and 1981. It was the Buick V8, and that was sort of derived. That was how Land Rover got its V8. It's smart of them to use one from the 60s that would list it for 20 years and then make it unreliable. Yeah, somehow they managed to screw it up. But the Rover V8 was based on this GM V8. Also based on this GM V8 was Australian Formula One team Repco. They used the Oldsmobile, the Buick Oldsmobile V8. It was in a Brabham vehicle, Brabham. No one cares. And it won the 1966 Formula One World Championship with the Buick V8. and I had that engine in my yellow Land Rover Defender. So I would argue I've had three Formula One engine. I'd argue that the Courage GT is not a Formula One engine. You have a failed Formula One engine in your Lamborghini, and Nick is the only one who's won a world championship with his engine. Wait a minute. What do you mean failed? They had a podium, you said. They had a podium. Yeah, of the 80 races it entered, it only had 49 successful starts. That's pretty – oh, start. I didn't say finish. They started. They DNF'd before 35% of their races. The engine is interesting, though. Believe it or not, Lamborghini had a handshake deal with McLaren to test this engine, and Senna actually drove her car powered by this engine and liked it. He made some suggestions. He said that he wanted a less brutal top and a fatter midrange, but ultimately the engine was just not reliable, and Ron Dennis decided to go with the Peugeot V10. According to reports, Senna even wanted to race the engine at the Japanese Grand Prix, believing that while reliability might be a problem, according to McLaren's engineers, the most they got out of any powertrain before failure was just 19 laps at Silverstone. Exactly. It described it as a lot of sound, not a lot of go. That's the Countach! And that is the Countach. So it's all perfect. I do like that the Countach is finishing the same livery as the car. Does it bother you? Do we agree that they're using models? No, no. The pictures look like models, I agree. Something about the Countach looks too small. Does it bother you? I agree with you. Does it bother you that I have all these cars with Formula One engines? No. That doesn't bother you? No. You ever watch an F1 race? Probably as a kid. Probably in Italy? Oh, well, you were at Monk's? But my uncle, who lived about a mile away from the Montesquieu circuit, would watch them every time they were on, every Sunday, whenever it was that they're on. Who knows? Whenever they're on. That and MotoGP. So you get exposed. Well, MotoGP, too. You get exposed in Italy to racing. You know, I've biked over the F1 track. That's cool. Here's something I didn't know. The Koenigsegg CCR set the world fastest production car record in 2005. It was using a version of the Ford Modular V8. I was wondering where we were going to get this. Which is the engine in the Ford GT, and it broke the record from the McLaren F1, which was a lesser car. So I would argue that my vehicles, the fastest, the Formula One-est. Whatever makes you sleep better at night, babe. I'm surprised it took that long to get to the modular V8, because surely that's been used in stock car racing and NASCAR. I'm sure it has other uses in America. I think that by the time those kind of engines were out, you couldn't put engines like that in racing cars. There was different stuff going on. Nonetheless, I still have all of the great engines. You could buy a Formula One car and actually have the engine. It turns out you get both of these. Well, Formula One cars aren't that expensive, right? Trash Formula One cars from the 80s are probably pretty cheap. I'm not going to use them, yeah. Well, I feel, use them. I mean, put an LS in a Formula One car. You could use it, right? Something to think about for you. You all know I'm about finding value, whether it's a pristine Porsche 911 or a mint E39 M5. But let's talk about a different kind of asset, acre gold. Inflation's hitting harder than a V10 at red line. Gas, parts, and even car washes are through the roof. Acre Gold lets you invest in real 24-karat gold bars for just a few bucks a day. It's like buying a classic car that never rusts. 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He's wearing an L.A. hat, which seems surprising. Yeah. This is tough because it's tough to hear about your hero getting arrested. A second time. A second time. First time. Easy. Who are your heroes? It's exclusively Cody Detweiler. No, mine is Cody. Who would you be sad about? Harry Metcalf. Harry. Imagine if Harry got arrested. Let's be like that for you. He's too charming to get arrested. Tavarish got arrested. Tavarish. That would be tragic. Tragic. Wouldn't be that surprising. Arrested, bankrupted all of them. Love Freddie. Love him. Okay, let's move on to the talk card segment. The talk card segment is brought to you. Oh, my God. The Talk Cars segment is brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest auction platform. Can you go back to Cars and Bids? Can we get off of that? The finest auction platform in the history of auction platforms. Can I also say our app is phenomenal. Our app is phenomenal. Truly great. And that is coming from an unbiased reviewer, Filippo. Okay, here's the thing. Who helped develop it. I read a lot of the reviews that we get for our app, and they're all just so positive. And somebody posted one today. How many reviews do we have? Many. Of the 1,000 reviews on our app, only 860 were Filippo and his alt. None were me. They're probably great. I haven't rated our own app. I should go do that. You've got to assume the app is great if 150 of our reviews were not Filippo. Okay, anyway, brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids, we sell your cars or buy your cars. 5,592 reviews, 4.9 stars. That's insane. How do we have – How many – oh, Sean says rate us on Spotify. And by that, I mean, don't rate the app, rate the podcast on Spotify. How do you rate something on Spotify? Can I rate my favorite artists? Yeah. Night Traveler. I don't know. 100%. I think you can only rate podcasts. Okay. We got to move on to the Apple Talk Car segment. Because this is not only off the rails, but ineffective. The Lamborghini, my Talk Car segment is only related to the Lamborghini John Tamarian. I had it for a couple of days as a press car. The Temerario, yeah. The Temerario. That's what it's called. Yeah. Yeah. They gave it to me as a press car. How was it? Fine. When's the review coming out? I don't know. All right. Great review. Thank you for that. High level. We need to do. I will say, I saw it in your garage. Yeah. It's a big car. It's big. The Temerario is almost a footy longer than the Huracan. That's a large year, like generation or generation. Now, Lamborghini's generations are 10 years. But if the X7 became a foot longer, it's exactly what you want. Well, no, it'd be too big. It'd be bigger than an Escalade. It's a foot longer than the Huracan. It is 600 pounds heavier than the Huracan. It's a lot. And it is 1,000 pounds heavier than some versions of the Huracan, like the lightweights. It is like three inches wider, which is also pretty real in car width. That's a lot. Car width is kind of gate-kept at a certain width for regulatory purposes. So it's really a much bigger car. It's 20 inches longer than a Countach. It's kind of unfortunate because, my God. Like, I loved it, and I loved driving it. But you kind of see – you kind of see like car design is going in this way that I'm not – like as an enthusiast of the kind of cars that I'm an enthusiast of, I'm not that into, right? Like the cars are getting bigger. Some in part necessitated by adding plug-in hybrid and electric technology. But then in order to overcome the weight difference that you've created, you then have to add more power. And so every subsequent car is way more powerful, way heavier, and way larger than the previous one. And the Temerario's numbers, I think, from a percentage basis, are probably up there with some of the largest increases over its previous model. But there's been a lot of talk about the M5. Same deal. They add a plug-in hybrid system. They add weight. They add complexity. Well, then they have to add power to make up for it. And I was just driving the new 992 Turbo, and that car is the same sort of situation. It's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. It's amazing driving that back-to-back with my 993 Turbo, which, despite the name, is actually 30 years sooner. and all these cars and they all do an incredible job of of engineering out the the issue with adding weight but they have to engineer it out the way that they did it back in the day was the car just didn't weigh that much so it felt tossable and now the cars still feel tossable but that's because there's enormous complexity in trying to overcome thousands of pounds and in extra inches and feet in some cases of extra size you know it's just a shame it's like kind of it's kind of sad if you like a car that is like a tossable, fun, but powerful car, the modern stuff has left you behind, period. Well, I think it just draws more of an interest to the stuff that's slightly older. I mean, that car makes the Garada look so svelte and delicate comparatively. And driving-wise, it's like, you can do a lot to hide the weight, but ultimately driving a lightweight car just is so pure and excellent. You can do a lot to hide the weight, and they do an amazing job, but it just isn't the same. By the way, Temerario, four inches longer than Murcielago. That's nuts. The pleasure that falls apart a little bit, I was just looking this up and assuming you trust Google's AI overview. The Carrera T, the 992 Carrera T, is lighter than a base 997. Carrera T is such a great car. Even the 992 Turbo S, which has a hybrid component, is only 200 pounds more than the 997 Turbo. This actually hasn't grown that much. They're only three inches longer and a little bit heavier. Yeah, but the actual weight of a 992.2 Turbo S is 3829 pounds. So I was looking at that one number. Okay. Well, and that's an important distinction because the hybrid system is added. And that's part of my point. All the cars we're sitting here talking about that are growing, part of a reason that they've been growing so much in weight is because all three of the cars I just mentioned, the M5, the Temerari, and the 992, have added hybrid componentry. And in order to then counteract the hybrid componentry, then you have to do this and that. And you just ended up with a 4,000-pound 911. And a long 911. It's gotten to 180 inches long. My little baby 993 is like what I want. But it doesn't exist. I can't do it anymore. Driving a tossable car is like there's something really fun about just like a hydraulic, relatively light tossable car. I took that car and then added a large glass roof just add weight up high add weight and complexity you need a 993 I would love a 993 speaking of the 993 nice transition I recently got to spend a long time on a 993 I drove a thousand miles back from Oregon in a 993 car 95 993 car being sold by Carbine Motor Cars great seller on the side It's going to end up on cars in bids relatively soon. I completely agree with everything that you've just said. Driving a lightweight, simple car like that. I drove it over to the PCH in Carmel and drove from Carmel down to Cambria. Oh, you got to do the drive? I got to do the drive. It's open for the one month of the next decade. It'll be open. Exactly. I haven't been able to do this in five years. Yeah, same. I haven't done it since 17. It's wonderful. I did a whole video on it. It's on my YouTube channel. I'm really proud of it. I put a lot of editing into it. And I had a lot of fun. There's no drone. I haven't gotten to that level of production quality yet. Do I look like Scrapman to you? Scrapman has a drone. Thanks. So does everybody. Kevin has a drone. He's a pilot. My point is getting to drive it on those roads, it's like this is everything I want. It's small. It's lightweight. It's tactile. It's analog. It's simple. It's relatively reliable. It just did everything. It made me realize those cars are worth a lot of money for a reason. They deserve to be. I've been making fun of my car for its value. but the more time I spend, especially in modern, I'm just like, you know, there's something to this. Yeah, there really is. And one of the things I talk about is I know that air-cooled cars are a little bit more to take care of than some other cars. But nonetheless, it did it. I turned the key, drove the thing 1,000 miles, not one issue. It's just the car drove flawlessly. And my car, which is undergoing a significant service, so I called it today, it's going to be another week, nonetheless was driving just fine. We're just taking care of some leaks after 30 years. It's longevity. You'll do that, and the difference with those cars is you put the money in and it lasts. That's the beauty of those kind of old German cars. But nonetheless, it made me develop a real appreciation for the 993. And as cars get bigger and heavier, like you said, that era is really special. Can you describe the transition from the light, tactile, analog 993 to your SL65, which is a little off-screen of all the cars? It was shocking. Because the 993 car is not base career. Does that make you want to get out of the SLC? I mean, I know you're going to get out of the S65 anyway, but does that make you want to get out of it and get into something that's a little bit tighter, littler? Honestly, yes. Now, that said, you could do the Jeremy Clarkson thing where you say, well, if you lived in a gorge in southwest France, then yes, you want the lightweight, nimble thing, but most people don't. And the reality of it is around here, unfortunately, the way we use a lot of cars is on highways. To get to good driving roads takes effort, and the really tight, twisty stuff is like an hour and a half away. Realistic. It's an hour away. 45 miles away. Palmar Mountain is an hour. That's an hour. and it's snowing right now so you can't do it anyway. Or maybe you can. But it made me appreciate that. I have to say the 993 I would really love to have one of those cars in my garage because there's a classic you can use every day if you want to. We really are a Porsche podcast. I'm going to make a promise to you right here and right now on this podcast today. I will not buy another Porsche. That's such an easy promise to make. Except maybe a 996 GT2 one day but I will not buy another Porsche. Or 911ST. I'm not going to buy a 911ST. I'm not spending $600 on that crap. It's a cool car. It's not $600. I can't even explain to you the number of cars I would rather have before I buy a 911. It's a great car. I will not buy another Porsche. I'm saying it to you here. I am committing to you that I am leaving Porsche Gaidem behind. With just two of them in your garage. Well, I got seven. Dude, you know what? You know what hit me? Are you up to seven? You know what I've had? You're up to seven. You know what I've had more cars, more than Porsche? I've had more Toyotas. I've had more Toyotas. I had a Gen 1 Prius. Never forget that. I had an 80 series. I had a 200 series. I have a Sequoia. I had some sort of Lexus. Because we're not counting the Porsche corporate cars. Well, those weren't mine. They would have been nice. They were rentals. For like six months, they weren't mine. What am I supposed to do? Kenan's going to buy three in the next year. He's going to buy a 993. He's going to buy a Cayenne Turbo. He'll buy a Macan Turbo. Honestly, if I had the money right now, this car wouldn't even end up on Cars and Pits. It's so lovely. I am ripped apart to hear this. We cannot be a Porsche podcast. Spike's already got all that figured out. I am promising you here today, except for the 996 GT2, I will not buy another Porsche. I'm not saying ever, but I'm kind of saying ever. None of them appeal to me. I'm not sitting here looking. None of them are a little appealing. I've still never owned one, to be clear. I've only owned BMWs for one Ferrari and a Mercedes. So I still haven't owned, like I feel very lucky, but I still haven't owned a Porsche. I would like to. And there are a bunch that I would like to experience. But there are other cars I still love too. I just think that like that one deserves a spot in my garage. I'm jealous of that experience. It was wonderful. How's that highway part? It's a thousand miles. You know, fine. It did fine. It is definitely, NVH has changed a lot in the 90s. It's still loud and buzzy, which I didn't really mind. I had, you know, I. You wear AirPods at this point. I had AirPods in. I didn't have them muted, but I had just music on that way. But yeah, just driving it through Carmel, and just, oh, those twisty roads, it was so perfect. It was so great I jealous It a nice car It a great shifter clutch It a really tossable very predictable car Porsche had done a great job of developing the 911 and then that car was like the ultimate refinement of the original 911 with a lot of stuff that they had learned. The multi-link suspension made a big difference on that car. It's so much more sure. Filippo's car, as much as I love it, the 997 definitely has more of a luxury kick to it. Today's episode is brought to you by Cash App. It feels like everyone's gotten some kind of sketchy payment message lately. 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You did 1,000 miles. That's pretty good. They have a bit of a reputation for having a different problem. What are you taking to the dealer every 1,000 miles? You got 1,000 miles done. Boom. Probably saw. Maybe I will own one. I love the Pacific Hybrid. It's so good. Plug it, man. You like how it looks. I actually do think it's a good-looking minivan. It's the best-looking of the minivans. And it's comfortable enough and quiet enough, and CarPlay works at least 70% of the time. And Uconnect works 70-ish percent of the time, too. Chrysler says, such a shame Chrysler makes a bad car. But it's such a good car. I know. Also, it's no longer sold. What? Oh, yeah. They no longer sell. They got rid of all their plug-ins. By the way, I was driving the Pacifica Hybrid to pick up a China cabinet, but also to go to our events in Scottsdale. And I think we have pictures. Wait. I'm not done. I want to ask another Pacifica Hybrid question. You, on this very podcast, said that you were going to drive that pickup truck and the China cabinet back from Arizona with a U-Haul. Look. What happened? Look. Some things happened. I thought I could get the truck started and load it onto the trailer. I couldn't. Also, the trailer is a little bit too short. I didn't end up renting it. All of these things were said to you. What I had committed to last week was that I was trying to hire a shipper to do it. And what happened? It turns out very few people want to go to northern Arizona and drive a non-op truck. You're going to get the truck running in Arizona. I'll do something like that. You're not going to think about it right now. Have you considered – The problem will be solved in the next week. Have you considered getting an FKP homage? No. I saw that news, decided, don't care. I'm going to just keep putting starter fluid in this carb. So you got it. It kind of worked. You haven't got it running or you have got it running? I could get it started, but going further than that required more than I could do in the back driveway in rural Arizona. Didn't you tell me there was a timing issue? The timing isn't fully set, but it's close enough. I think that it would – that would not be the only blocker to running. I can't get fuel in. Like fuel isn't going through the carb. I imagine we could clean the carb and maybe they'll work. I'm not a professional. I don't know how to do anything. You need to shop. I called our coworker, Colton, who's one of our auction managers and was a mechanic. And I called him, and he guided me through some early steps. And then I ran out of ability. And tools. And it was sudden. Before you said that our producer was just shaking his head. We all knew that all of this was going to happen. I had given up on the U-Haul plan, and I had put it out to get a shipper to do it. And it was just really hard to find somebody to do it. What a struggle. So you still don't have anybody to do it? No. Okay. If you live in northern Arizona and you have a flatbed trailer or a flatbed tow truck and you want to haul something from northern Arizona to San Diego, send us an email. Sean at carsandbids.com. That's S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com. And Filippo will pay you. How much will you pay? We'll see. Filippo will pay you $2,600. No. He will pay you 10% below market rate. I'll be Market Ray Well you just said you can't find anybody to do it So Market Ray is whatever Even at Market Ray it's real hard Okay tell us about the event You went to an event Did you go to Mickey's? I did not go to Mickey's I think we have some on the slide Did anybody ask you to go to Mickey's with them? Nobody asked me to go to Mickey's But I did star in a guy who has a YouTube channel about a Saab 900 I did like a pretty long interview about Saab with him in the parking lot So what kind of stuff did you say? Did you get into your favorite Saab, the 97X? I didn't sound my favorite Saab. Really? I'm a pre-GM Saab guy. Really? You're going to be a purist. He was there in a Saab 900, an OG Saab 900, not an NG Saab 900, obviously, that he had manual swapped because it's not hard. Well, it was available in manuals. Yeah, I'm surprised you found it automatic. But cool guy. So we talked about the history of Saab. What other cars showed up? Give me some cars. All right. So the event that we were at was in collaboration with Avant and the warehouse. and inside there were a bunch of great cars. SCP Euro brought a couple of cars but Tim from BBI Autosports brought a couple of his cars. There were a bunch of other really, really cool cars including a Series 1 E-Type. But then outside in the parking lot, there were some real cars. Like a CL Type O3 CL Type S 6-Speed? No. Not that real. There was Like a Bentley Unadier? No. Like an Audi Q7 V12? Sadly, no. But there were a lot of GT3s. Like a front-wheel drive Lotus Alon? No, we have one of those here in the office. Like a Mazda Navajo? No, we did have a Via Cross, though. That's the Navajo of the next generation. Truly, the parking lot became a little bit more of a car show than I thought it would be. I guess it makes sense. People that are coming to a car van have a car. Did you go onto the lot and crack open a beer and say, Oh, look at this Jeep Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition? There were a lot of really, really nice cars in the parking lot. Two police officers from the Mesa Police Department stopped by. So one guy pulled up, and I thought he was going to kind of be a little upset by people blocking traffic turn-ins a lot. But no, he just pulled over, came out, and wanted to talk about the cars in the parking lot, and then go inside and check them out. What was his personal car, an Infiniti J30T? I didn't ask him. I should have, though. Yeah. I should have. Yeah. The guy who was – there was a guy that was assigned by the warehouse. There's a really cool artist car space that was directing traffic in the parking lot. And he had a Ford Mustang GT. Did a Volkswagen Corrado SLC show up? Sadly. What about a G60? A Corrado G60? Yeah. No. Boy, all the cars I want to see. It was legitimately, the vent inside was absolutely incredible. Some really cool car, really cool people. And the parking lot was surprisingly strong at the showing. Nice. There was an SLR McLaren there. and a Pacifica Hybrid it had alternators functioning at the time apparently not can you tell us about the dino situation yes so I have a video that's going to be coming out next week on my SL65 I took it for a dino test which is really cool my car had Rentech badges a dino is a machine that measures horse route or a large prehistoric creature but this one the spelling is different and it's pronounced dino in your language but I took my Dinosauro that's what I said Dinosauro so anyway I was curious because I've been told the car has a Rentec tune on it but I have no documentation for everything else I have no documentation verifying that it was added when it was added or what was added do you have documentation for the badges? no, nothing related to Rentec it also has a lowering module allegedly but I'm too afraid to mess with that so I was curious what power is making so I took it to a dyno test and I'll reveal more there but the big issue I ran into was that it has a speed governor on it still but it's not supposed to but the numbers are I get into it more in the video do you have to do a special sequence in the keypad in the center dash to enter that would have been a good idea had they done that but they didn't you know I've never dyno I've never dynoed an auto car. Yeah, well, I mean, it has a manual mode. You want to get to where the gearing is one-to-one, which is fourth gear, and so you slowly build up to that, and then you go for it. The one thing I will say that was interesting, you've seen the videos, there's a guy who had to sit on the back of it because the car doesn't have enough weight over the rear tires and just spins him on the dyno. That's what aero is for. That car famously doesn't have any... Well, especially when it's not moving. Right, that makes it harder. Once it starts moving, though, he can get off, I assume. The guy stayed on the back of the car the entire time, but it was a really cool experience. I've never done a Dino before. I am kind of curious now what the M5 is making, so I might do a video on that. And that will be easy to do with the M5. It's kind of sketch. My M5 does not have a speed limit. It is a little sketch, because the car is doing about 160 miles an hour sitting still, and you're like, them wheels are spinning quick. And it's loud, and it feels like some turbine is spinning at some speed where even a little faster, and something is going to explode. And there are videos on the internet of Dinos exploding. I've seen them many times. Or cars exploded. And they even told me, it's like, yeah, you can film everything. Just stand over here so if something does go, it's going to go past your head. I'm excited to watch this. Yeah, it was very interesting, I have to say. So, yeah, that video goes up on Tuesday of next week. On the Ken and Rolson YouTubia. Yes, on the YouTubia. Okay, we've got to go to Market Report. Market Report, of course, is brought to you by Cars and Bids, the single finest auction platform in the history of auction platform. Yeah. Yeah, take that. I don't know. Okay. Well said. really stuck it to the man uh i want to talk about the alero can you pull up the alero this is this is the alero yeah well i got a point to make here we just sold an alero i think today uh for 4100 bucks 5300 5 000 miles oh the survivor era is gone that's the thing everybody's like oh that's such a cool survivor car there's no market for them not anymore no one is actually looking for a base model even if it has 5 000 original miles it is just not all that appealing to people And I continue to see this with Survivor cars. And some of me actually wonders, like, if you're just looking for a used car that will run, why not buy a Survivor on cars and bids? Like, presumably this has another 10 years left in it, 15 years left in it, and you just spent $4,000. This is better than any Civic you're going to find on Craigslist. Am I wrong? It's not a bad car to buy except for the fact that it was a bad car to buy. Yeah, sure, but for $4,100, if you just want a car to get you to work, that everything is – all the rubber, presumably, that hasn't moved. Oh, that's an old argument about the rubber. You know what? Everybody says this. I used to say this, but then I've driven some low-mileage cars and have no leaks and no issues and no nothing. So it's like old mobile. This is a 3100, isn't it? Is it a 3100 or a 2.4? Oh, 2.4. That's probably why it's so low. I have heard this argument. 3100 would have been 20 grand. I understand by design it might have some leaks because it was badly engineered, but I haven't run into this all the rubber shrinks and leaks problem that people talk about a lot more on low mileage cars. Fair. There was a brief period of time. Go to mechanical photos. We'll take a look at the rubber. We'll take a look at the rubber. We'll assess it right now. I think there was a brief period of time when it could have been worth something. That is a clean car. It's a 5,000 mile car. There is not a single GM 2.4 liter that still looks like this. Normally the alternators are completely rusty or caked with salt. Oh, they replaced the oil and filter. Good. That's all you need. Oil and go. This car, like every Alero, is going to make it to 60, 70,000 miles before the transmission fails. I think you're going to be just fine, folks. Man, that car got to 5,000 miles. They had a 5,000-mile service in February of 2003. They drove 5,000 miles in the three years. Where is it? Florida. Man, that's so Florida. I just think survivor cars are a bargain. I truly believe this. For $4,100, you cannot buy a Civic or a Corolla. Like, it doesn't exist. It's a ratty car. Or you can go buy an undriven Alero. And in all honesty, the GM cars of this era were pretty reliable. They truly were. GM had kind of worked the stuff out. It was not a good car. Dynamically, it was bad. The tech is not good. But I bet you this car, if you wanted to start dailying it today, could last you longer than any equivalent $4,100 car you could buy. and that's true of a lot of survivor cars that we sell there's just no market it's a GM product so the AC is probably pretty good okay well that was interesting thank you for that that is a reputationally correct thing alright move on to I want to talk about the NSX and then the Amira situation let's talk NSX we sold the NSX that's right behind you for $80,567 that's 321,000 miles just about Hats up to Ryan for taking these pictures Photos look great You did a really great night drive video in it You got a review of it 321,000 one owner miles And it got all the money Now part of it is we did a top end rebuild That helped, certainly But the person I spoke with The buyer, obviously we're arranging When they'll come pick it up He didn't look at the service documentation He just wanted the car Damn, he got a great car then He got lucky He was like, does it need any work? Look at the service. This thing said 20 years ago. I wonder if we made money with this. We, because we were selling alongside Coinbase, put in a lot of money to make sure it was perfect for the next buyer. So we lost money. So we lost money. But obviously every other reasonable human that would have purchased it would have made a little bit of money. Especially the next one. Yeah, but it's such an incredible car. I'm kind of jealous. I saw the buyer comment that I'm taking this to $500,000. Yeah. He also has an Avora GT that is the same colorway, if memory serves. What colorway? Red, black. Damn, I'm here for that. That, by the way, was previously Jay Leno's press car. It's signed by Jay Leno. Let's pull the light colorway instead of spec. I'm here for that. I live in the watch world. I'm already used to it. He's getting there. That thing looks so good there. Look at that. That is a really cool looking car. It's such a good car. You can also just turn around. It's literally sitting there. I know, but that photo, this is why you've got to take good photos. Because I see it sitting there, and I'm like, that's pretty cool. Then I look at that photo and I'm like, damn, I want that. I like that, but I want that. Exactly. Like I said, on my tombstone, it will say, here lies Ken and he asked for better pictures. So that thing was a big sale. I was really happy to see that. Also, because of our NSX love recently, we've had a bunch more NSXs come on the site. A couple live right now. There's two live right now that couldn't be more different. It's literally the opposite of the NSX world. One is a late model stick and the other one is a first year or second year tip. Both are appealing cars, though. This car at 42 is pretty appealing. Get in and drive it as a commuter. It can do 320,000 miles. That's an interesting point. That's an interesting point. I think this car is cool as hell. Well, you also have to imagine whoever buys it, it's going to be manual swapped immediately. Maybe. Yeah. You don't have to deal with the snap ring thing on this 91. Tiff. It's a force ring. Tiff. Tiff. You're all good, folks. You should come at the auction and be like, does it have snap ring? Can I say about the buyer of the one that we just sold? He also told me on the phone that he has a Z31 and a Z32. Oh, wow. Z31. Wow. Wow. Right. He has an FDR-X7. Damn. He's got a Super? He has an Evo 6. Does he have a Mark IV? No. He's got an Evo 6, though. He's looking for a Diablo. Wow. He's a 90s man. It's a questionable choice. He's got taste. But he's got taste. He's a 90s guy. Get him into a Mega, dude. A Mega Cruiser would work. He did say he has an Eneus Grandeur, so maybe a Mega is like an upgrade. Ineos Grenadier is like a mega for people who aren't ready. I mean, aren't ready to not be able to do the speed limit. I drove the speed limit in a mega. Have a 90-minute hour. Quit downhill with wind? It was lower speed roads. Yeah, huh? That's right. But remember, the guy who bought the mega that I reviewed drove it from Denver to Seattle. Yeah, just because he did it didn't mean it was fun or enjoyable. I think about that pretty often. I thought about it yesterday. It just came into my mind. That guy drove that mega from Denver to Seattle. How far into that drive do you think he was in? He was like, oh, man, I've made a mistake. Should have shipped this thing. Littleton, when he was in Littleton. Okay. The other thing I want to talk about is Amiras. Can you hit me with an Amira? Yeah. All right. Amiras. Amira. $85,000 is what an Amira is, regardless of how you spell it. $85,000? That is what a manual Amira is. They're all between $85,000 and $95,000. Here's an interesting Lotus. That's too much thought. Okay. Keep on. The company has been in bankruptcy or near it since I've been alive. the cars all are incredibly desirable. I know. How does it retain their values? Obviously, MSRP was higher. MSRP was in the low 100s. For this specific car, that one that sold for 86, MSRP was 96. So they've lost a little bit. They're not above market. I would assume that this car is going to plummet. I really wanted it to because I really want an Amira. Yeah. None of them are selling for two. No. The two was an automatic that failed to sell at 82, which honestly seems like Part of it is I think it is a really good car. It is. That should have sold. Everybody I have talked to who has one loves it. Yes, they're good. I genuinely think they're a good car. I think the market is clearly speaking like they are desirable. It's weird because then why do we always hear that Lotus is going out of business, gone out of business, dying? Because the company poorly manages its finances. The product is good, but how they spend their money is poor. Even Evoras hold their value to a crazy level. It's really annoying. Evora GTs and Evora 400s, which are the ones you want, are too expensive. I want any Evora, and they're all Okazuki every. Sorry, I don't know why. Check that off. I don't want to change that. A 2 plus 2 or an S, which were the early ones, are in the 40s and 50s. That's real money, though. A Cayman 70. This is more money than a Cayman from this era. An 11 Cayman is not $43,000. They've retained their value too well. It's really annoying. It's somebody that wants a cheap one. Just $43,000. I think it's because they're just a decent car. Especially the GT and the 400s. That looks so valuable. That was a wrap. I love that. Why didn't they do that? That should be OE. Lotuses hold their values. Except, of course, for the Esprit. Elytra. That has an oldest value new. Actually, that's going to hold its value pretty well relative to the transaction price. There's a $250 sticker, but they're going to transact at $80. They can't because Lotus has had to pay $125,000 in tariffs to import it. It's going to be tough for them to sell it. It is crazy. I do think that a huge part of why these cars hold their value so well is the Toyota powertrains. Or in the case of the Amira, it's a Toyota powertrain or a Mercedes one, right? Depending on which version you get. Also, they're just competent, real sports cars. Even by your definition from earlier, they're real sports cars. They all look very exotic. This is not my definition like I just made it up. A sports car is two doors, rear or all-wheel drive, and in my opinion, it should be two seats. Should be two seats. 911 is not sports car. Should be two seats, should be rear-wheel drive, but I make exceptions when I need to on the all-wheel drive and on the 2 plus 2. But they all have two doors. There is no three-door sports car. Sorry, RX-8. Every Dodge Challenger V6 sports car? No, I didn't say every. I didn't say every. To be that, it has to be. Why isn't a V6 Challenger a sports car? It's not a sports car. Why? Because, listen, Filippo, I know it when I see it. Okay. Helpful. Why don't you go car by car and I'll tell you what's a sports car and what's not. It's not. This seems like a bad idea. We're going to get emails. It harkens back to the MGs, okay? Those were sports cars. They were two-seat, two-door, rear-wheel drive. That was a sports car. Now, we've expanded the definition a little bit over the years. every car basically was rear-wheel drive and were they two seat and two doors anywhere many were like mgs and they were convertibles you know i at some point had a purist definition of what if sports car should even be a convert it had to be a convertible but i let that go even though I still think that preferably a sports car has an open roof Really The Miata is a sports car Hey when was the last time the roof was off on any of your cars What do you mean? 4GT? Every week. All right, Kenan, speaking of market, Port, what do you got? Yes, so I recently did another video on the Cars and Vids YouTube channel on this Jaguar XK140. Now, this is an SE, which is very special. So the SE stands for special equipment. in the US they were called something slightly different but this one was actually called an SE but the big thing this one got is the Jaguar C-Type head which is very desirable the way you can tell it's got the C-Type has it right in the middle it has a C that's cast into it they're all red at the end there's also some markings on it that shows that it's got Type C I took a picture of it, it's in here somewhere but this car, I was shocked I have almost completely ignored cars in the 1950s because they're just not particularly interesting to me then I drove it and I'm like, this is such an experience. It is so raw, and it's just so beautiful and so fun. And it's like, I understand that, and I say this in the video, I understand that modern younger enthusiasts, I mean, from financial constraint points alone, having one car is enough. Having two is kind of untenable for a lot of people. I totally get that. Yeah, I only own four cars right now. But if you have a little bit more money, right, exactly. I mean, Flippo's rich over here. But if you have more room in the garage and a little bit more money to spend, And this offers an experience like nothing else. And I think that these are relative bargains given how cool they are. I think it's one of those beautiful cars. It's historically important. It was fun to drive. It's relatively quick. And it just, I was shocked at how much I enjoyed it. Good cars. I also kind of turned my back on a lot of 50s, 60s stuff. But good cars in that era are really good. A Gullwing is like a really good car. I still haven't driven one, so I can't say. But it's the same kind of idea. Like cars that were good, that were well-engineered, are good. They may not be as usable. Daytona, though, is a special. There are cars in that era that I now even look at and think, should I? The Countach opened our eyes to these older cars. True. No one in our friend group had a car that old or even close to that old until I got the Countach. Or would have even considered. But now it's like I look at it. And then it's like, well, if I'm already dealing with carbs, what else should I? And it hasn't been so bad. What else is out there? And then you start thinking about Daytonas. Then you start thinking about these. Then you start thinking about Dinos. On the E-Type that you recently did, I was shocked at how nice that car drove. It also underscored, at one point, Jag was making some of the best cars in the world. They really were. They won Le Mans in 1951 and 1953 with the C-Type. This car was one of the fastest cars on the planet. It was just so far ahead of its time. My favorite thing, and I could talk about this car forever. In the 1950s, Jag was really into setting speed records. They really wanted to prove that the cars were durable, reliable, and fast. And one of the things they did with an XK was they took it, and a guy had driven it for, I think it was over 100 miles an hour for 24 hours, only stopping to change the driver. And one of the drivers got out and said, this car is so solid. You can do this for a week. And Jag was like, you know what? Let's do that. And so they did exactly that, and they drove one for an entire week. And I think at one point it had suspension issues, but they just kept going. And it's 17,000 miles, but it was constantly running for a week, only stopping for fuel and to change drivers. That was it. Wild. Yeah. Now, when we think Jag, it's like reliability is not. But at the time, it was. And this should have been. The E-Type was great. And if only they continued that upward trajectory. But they lost the plot somewhere after the XJ220. After the XJ220. They definitely lost the plot late in the E-Type. For me, I think it was the XJS is where things started to go around. came out, it was kind of the beginning of the end for Jaguar. But there have been a lot of political change. I mean, there was a fuel shortage. Life was different. Definitely. But I can recognize that the XJ220 and the XJR15 are very special, really incredible automobiles. As is the XE Project 8. Yes, Harry Metcalf. But this, to me, was just such an experience. And a lot of people commented that it's finally nice to see Kenan review a car from his era. which I yeah I don't disagree with you I'm glad you liked it so much I totally agree I think that really well done cars from this era are do really are surprisingly enjoyable it's an era that I had completely cast aside until I actually drove some well done cars from this era and you remember people drove these like around like it's now it's looked at as such an imposition to drive an old smelly car but actually these were people drove them like it was doable and you could do it again if you care this was my uncle's first car it was an XK140 really which was having driven it I was like I don't know how the hell he drove that every day. Nice. Yeah, Uncle Chuck, he's a killer. But yeah, go check out this auction. Go watch the video. And this is also from Carbon Motor Cars, another great seller. All right, we got to move on to questions, questions, questions. Folks, we had great questions this week. And you too can ask us questions. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab. There's the cars and bids questions area. Yep. And you click on this and you ask your question. I look through every single question, every one to find the finest, best questions. And so even if it's late in the week, ask your question. You might be answered. I am answering some questions this week that got zero upvotes. Whoa, we're getting controversial here. I just wanted to get the good stuff. Sean's coming to tell us. First question from Big Boy Car Lover. Big Boy Car Lover. Douglas, you take pride in having owned a wide range of vehicles, but there is something you've never had, a pickup truck. If you had to buy a truck, old or new, to go with your current fleet, what would you get? I want to be clear. Is it true that I haven't had a pickup truck? That might be true. But I had a Hummer. Wagon. Yeah, but, you know, guys in pickup trucks are driving a Rolls Royce compared to that thing. What would you have? You'd have a Ridgeline. Oh, we forgot to talk about the Ridgeline. We did. No, I would never in my life ever consider a Honda Ridgeline. What about a Subaru Baja? What about a Brat? No. What about a Hyundai? Toyota trucks. I sometimes think about a Ford or Tacoma. I like the new Frontier kind of. I like a small, mid-sized kind of Japanese truck. The new Frontier is great. I don't need a big truck. I can't justify or need a big truck. I like the Ranger a lot. The new one and the old one. The new one is good. The one that came out in 19 and the great truck. Well, the one that came out in 19 really came out in 2012. Yeah, but that was a great truck. And it used a great power train. That Turbo 4 was a great engine. Diesel Colorado? I don't know. Chevy trucks have never been as appealing Wow you're a Ford man Dodge Dakota convertible Dodge Dakota convertible No No No Philippe was genuinely upset about this I've never seen him so angry If I had to buy any of the full size trucks Yeah I'd probably get an F-150 over a Silverado Yeah who wouldn't And I would probably get a Ram over both of them We've said so many Yeah, I want the Shelby Dakota is a different situation That's legit You know, one thing that has never really appealed to me has been the high performance trucks Nick wants a Ramus RT10 a Raptor TRX I like all those I've never really been into the concept of actually going out Your SUVs have camel fenders, but you're not that January 6th Right, right, right I'm trying to think Is there anything else that I should be thinking of? Oh, an X-Class no pull up an x-class oh i'm familiar with the x-class we don't talk about the amrock the x-class i would buy it was based on the amrock right no it was based on the nissan navarro that's right it was based on the navarro but isn't the amrock also based there's a lot of like development sharing in the european i remember doing a presentation in college about that about wow you know where i saw one of these brada slava wow really i saw one in durban you got to be pretty legit i have one for you to be seeing an x-class in brada slava any of you viewers out there ever seen an X-Class in Bratislava? Shout out to Bratislava. You know what they make in Bratislava? The Cayenne. Alright, let's move on to the next question. Please pull up the 2000 Fiat Strada. Oh yeah, I do like the little trucks. The little Mexico trucks. The little Latin America trucks. I do like those. Look at that yellow one far left. I don't like those, but the current ones... They're atrocious. What's the Ram 700? Or the Ram Rampage. You know how it's the Ram 1500? In Mexico they sell the Ram 700, and I actually really legit like that. Yeah, it's a cool truck. That's also the Fiat Strata, right? Yeah. That's a cool truck. We only think about the 2000. Oh, I like the Maverick a lot. I like a Hyperdome. The Maverick is great. There's a lot of trucks I would get. It's just never happened, but it will someday. I love that range. No, it won't. Will it happen? Why would it happen? Because, dude, I gotta transport materials. Alright, next question from Robio Math. Doug, Phil, and Filippo, and Kenan, let's hear how fast you've driven and what vehicle you were driving. Fastest you've driven. In Mexico, of course. 160 miles an hour in the SL65. You've been 160 in your SL65? Yeah, in Mexico. Oh, my God. Close by. It's easy. It moves. You're insane. It's fast. My M5 is not far behind. I have done 150-something. You're going to kill somebody. Nah, there's nobody around. What about you? I don't know. I can't think of it. There's not a number that's sticking out of my mind. I did 160 on the Autobahn and a Cayenne Turbo. Oh, I did clatter into the limiter a couple. It was 155. is where the X3 M50i on the Autobahn. That's fast. Hit 150 kilometers many times. I'll tell you something. 160 is a lot. I did it in a Cayenne Turbo. I did it like three times in the same Cayenne Turbo, which was actually, let's check this out. It was actually a Gen 957 or whatever the enthusiasm, 9PA is correct. It was like a 2010. So a Faith Lift first-gen Cayenne. First-gen. Turbo S on the Autobahn going 100. 5-speed automatic. Yeah. I'm stunned it's geared high enough to do that it goes and I had an open stretch I was there some sort of business trip with Porsche and they gave us that was like our car that we all were sharing the four Americans who had come and I got it for some afternoon they all had some meeting that I didn't have and I took it out and passed Stuttgart out into the country and I just let it go and I got up to 160 I know exactly the stretch you did it on it's like terrifying I didn't find anything scary It was the winter. So you're doing it on snow tires that are rated to go 120. You know, I didn't think about that. It probably was on snow tires. That literally didn't cross my mind until this moment. It was on Sunday. Definitely was. It's required. I don't go that fast very often, but before I do, I do a whole series of checks. Do you put the speed key in? If it had one. Unfortunately, it doesn't, but I would if it did. I like procedure. Boy, is that true. Yeah, that's true. Question for Doug Kennan and Filippo from Little Bubba. What's your favorite car movie or car movies? I don't know if it counts, but I feel like it does because the car is such a character movie. My favorite movie of all time is Ferris Bueller's Day Off. And the car is obviously a pretty significant character. Yeah, rep Cal Spider. But Amadna, which we've sold a number of those on the site. For big money. For real money, which is another topic altogether. My favorite, I love Gone in 60 Seconds dearly. Strongly. However, Fast and the Furious, you've only seen the first three. Yeah, but one. I'm only talking about number one. To be clear. I'm only talking about number one. They become less about cars as they go. Fast and the Furious 1 is the greatest car movie of all time, period. You know what's pretty good? The remake of the Italian job? With Mark Wahlberg? Yeah. It's a mini movie. Right. I don't do minis. I think I agree with that. I like minis. But I need real cars in a movie. I need Ronin. There's an Aston something then. Okay. That's not enough. They're Land Rover Defenders. Family Man's another good one with that 550. 550. Not a lot of 550 Maranello movies. Not many. That was a nice one too. Yeah. The Color Comma was good. Yep. I can't think of anything that I notably. You know what was great? The Charlie's Angels movies. Not great movies, but Ferrari sponsored them at the time because Ferrari wanted for advertising. and so they have like enzo uh cow spider like tons and tons of like 360 like cameron diaz's character driver 360 um and i because i believe i can't remember who it was but like they like the the actress has got to drive the enzo before any journalist like at the time because there's one scene i can't remember if it was i don't want to say elizabeth hurley but that's not right there's this girl's getting out like she was opening the demi moore it was demi moore thank you demi moore was getting like it came out of the ocean with like her surfboard and she goes to get in the car and it's an Enzo. So she drove it before. That's incredible. Demi Moore had a more informed position. You drove your Enzo to the ocean with your surfboard. Yeah, more informed position than any automotive journalist. We should probably call out the Daniel Craig James Bond movies for being a deep Ford sponsorship. They highlighted a Fusion. They highlighted a Ka. They went big on cars. Yeah, that's true. They went deep Ford. Although the ones where Ford owned Aston and Jaguar, there was that one. It was a Die Another Day where there was the green XKR. And the start of one of them has a chase that includes a Julia quad. It's so funny. When I think James Bond, I think of the DBS and Casino Royale. You think of it. I think of the Ford Fusion in that same movie. I still think of the BMW. And the Ranger. I still think of the BMW. Oh, yeah, of course. When I think of James Bond, I think of Pierce Brosnan, who in my opinion was the best James Bond. I agree. I agree with that. I think it was shared by nobody. No, I agree with that. And the BMWs, which I think were the best cars. I have a license plate designed by Pierce Brosnan. I think the best James Bond usually is the James Bond that was James Bond when you grew up. And in our case, it was Pierce Brosnan. Okay, we got two more questions. Next question is from Doug's Nissan Cube. Will Sean ever appear on the pod? Would be interested to hear about his 360 and G63 ownership. First off, Sean doesn't have a G63. He's got a bad-colored G-Wagon. It's a regular. G530. And he's not cut out to own it. he keeps having all these problems that like you can chalk up to just he's not ready like he needs a grenadier honestly is what he needs he needs like a newer car with a warranty think about how much he'll complain his 360 ownership's been great he won't appear on the pod sean is an old friend of mine i've he's been in production for a long time he produced worked on a lot of shows you've seen if you're in the car world however he doesn't like to be in front of the camera which is a shame because it would be nice to have him right there he says he'll come on the pod eventually if you want him to come on the pod write to him at sean at carsandbids.com sean at carsandbids.com and if he doesn't reply to you just email him again yeah just keep sending him notes sign him up for stuff please don't do that okay next question I'm going to do actually two more mouse cop very important question for Doug why do you no longer get the back seats of cars that you review This is a question I get a lot. I have back trouble, serious, real back trouble. You do. That I try to avoid doing crazy stuff with my back. I have little kids now, and I want to play on the floor with them, and I don't want to have back trouble. I had some real incidents with my back that really caused some problems. And I have it for a while now, and I'm just trying to avoid anything like that. So I don't do it anymore, which I'm sorry. I saw you in the backseat of a Honda Praline. I did get in the backseat of a Praline. I did. Yeah. I don't do a lot. My job is more physical than it looks. It's not anymore because I shoot everything in here. But for a long time, I was like five hours in the sun every day. You're also mewing down a lot. Why you didn't just sit on the box like I do for all those years? I never bring a box. The difference between me and you is you have a box. I have a backpack. I try to be as slim and as easy as possible because when you start adding stuff, it means you've got to add stuff. but one thing to keep it in that box doesn't fit in most cars yes it does, look at it, it's not very large there's literally a backpack next to it and it's barely taller than that it doesn't fit my 4GT anyway the point is it doesn't have a trunk the point is, I don't kill myself for this job anymore I only sit, like I did for so many years toiling, laying brick out in the hot sun I was digging holes I was digging holes and framing houses for so many years. I can't go anymore. Now I sit here on this podcast in an air-conditioned space with Filippo. It's a shame. We are underground. Who do you think dug the foundation? It was me by hand with a steam shovel. Definition of by hand there. But the steam shovel also requires a lot of work. It's not like modern technology that he uses. You've got to... Don't forget, it's powered by steam. You've got to have someone to feed the fire with coal or wood. You've got to feed the steam and then burn my skin. I came in at night with burns. You know who would do that really well? You would be really good at running a steam locomotive. You know, yes, I'd also be a good lighthouse keeper. A lot of Victorian-era things I would be pretty good at. Okay, last... I'm going to do two more, but I'm doing it very so quickly that it's going to feel like one. Douglas and Filippo, would the new Prelude actually be compelling at the pre-tariff price point? tariff not what impacted that price. No. Except now they may because there's talk of additional tariffs on Japanese vehicles. The president has announced additional tariffs. Will that happen? Who knows? The prelude? Everybody's talking about price point. It would have been so much easier to just give it more power. The whole problem could have been solved with 65 more horsepower. And so everybody's like, oh, make it cheaper. I don't think it's compelling at 38. I think it's compelling at how much is the Civic Hybrid? Yeah, that's the problem. Civic Hybrids are 34. BRZs, I mean, I would rather have a BRZ, and that's like 33 or something. The Prelude would be more comfortable if you want that. You get my point. Yeah, but I don't want that. No one in a coupe segment wants that anymore. I don't disagree. The Cadillac ELR told us. You can buy a cord hybrid for 34. Yeah. It's a good vehicle. Same MPG as the Prelude. So the answer is no. I truly think that the way to remedy the Prelude is not to make it cheaper, which is what everybody's saying. It's to give it more power. It's to give it the power that it actually should have. You know, it's funny. Honda's like, oh, we're bringing back this nameplate that everybody loved from back in the day. Well, the people who loved it were people who were 17 in 2000. Those people have enough money now to go out and buy it, but they also have expectations of performance that have changed from when they were 17 in 2000. And 200 horsepower felt fast. And Honda hasn't delivered that. And so they hit the nostalgia crowd with something they don't want. I don't want to actually go back to high school. I want to go back to what my high school self wanted. Yeah. And it is not a 200 horsepower prelude. It's hard to argue with that. Okay, last question from MyCashViper. Doug, you mentioned during your reviews that a certain car drives better or worse than a similar car in the second segment. As a journalist, it makes sense to say these comments, but how do you remember when you have driven so many cars in your lifetime? This is my job! Of course I remember. Doug has an, for those that don't know Doug personally, he has an exceptionally good memory. But also, this is what I do every, in your job, you probably remember how to, what do people do in their jobs? I don't know. Index, mash, and excel. You look up in excel. I'm going to be looking for this. Filippo can do a pivot table like that. You ask him to do a pivot table, doesn't miss sleep, doesn't even use the mouse. He just uses the keyboard shortcuts, okay? That's the equivalent, okay? I went to the heart doctor. I got some heart thing. I went to the heart doctor, and I wore like a heart patch for like three weeks or something. And I went in there, and I said, yeah, here's the data. And he said, oh, this is nothing. I said, and I'm looking at it, right? And it's like this. Right. Right. And I'm like, oh, how do you know? He goes, I've been doing this a lot. You're right. It is your job to remember how those cars drive, to pay really close attention to that. This is what I do. It's the only thing that I do. I'm going to keep that clip. All right. Do we have anything else? Filippo, do you have any final thoughts for the audience? No, but keep checking out our events. If you've missed the one in Phoenix, we're going to have an event here at our office with Avance. If you're an Avance San Diego member, you should go check that out. Sign up. If I'm an Avance San Diego member, am I a member of all the Avances? I believe so. I don't know. That's a question for the Avance folks. Sorry, Kevin. The answer is yes to that. You. You got any parting? He's just going to promo us, and I can't take it anymore. You got any parting? Check out the cards on the tab. Yes, the Avance. You can talk to our friend Kevin. Yay. He signed up. Yes, just check out. I've got a lot of cool YouTube content coming. Go check. Tell us. Thank you. I've been trying to find more. We'll do something together. Go check out my YouTube channel. It's Ken and Rolson. I want to be clear. not to be in it, but to just see a dino run. I will invite you for the M5 one. These guys are promoing stuff. I'm not going to promo anything. I'm only going to say one parting thought, which is send us an email, sean at carsandbids.com, just to check in. S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye. Goodbye, January. Thank you.