EP: 395 Bending the Continuum: Time Travel with Troy Brewer

Time is God's way from keeping everything from happening at once. And I was just sitting there looking at that going, why doesn't God want everything to happen at once? What's that all about? Like, hey, if we're going to get there, let's get there, because I'm very much that kind of a guy. Let's go, let's go. It's like, why doesn't God want everything to happen at once? Because he wants time to be able to develop relationally with you a plan of redemption that is our enclave. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. It's a Smithsonian that if they found out about large skeletons somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right because if one person's right it busts the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair and the problem with the modern day church, they had a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this mount hermitovina. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, we're going back in time. Way back into time. We've got Troy Brewer in here talking about time travel today. We've got the camera ready. Pointed it right at you. I'm ready. Tell us. What are we going? We are excited though. We talk a lot about all the blurry things, but time travel is one of them. Always involves like topics around Bigfoot, UFOs, New Testament stories. What's going on in time travel? Well, a lot more than what people realize. And it's all over the word of God. On time about time travel is all in the Bible. And people don't realize it. And different kinds of time, all different kinds of time, which we could explore some of that. And the Bible talks about all different types of time. And then also there is this thing where it turns out Jesus himself is a big time time traveler. And sometimes he takes people with him and all that's in the Bible. So that sounds like a t-shirt. So there's going to be a big time time travel. Yeah. Well, it's just a, I've wrote a book called redeeming your timeline. And I've had all these notes for years and years and years because I'm a freak about time space and matter. Just how it works and how God interacts with it. And is this just a situation? Because I'm just a dude that I just have to accept what's been handed to me. Or can I, it's a some way I can have dominion and authority in this thing that's real that actually changes things. And since we all do this work, where we rescue kids, I cannot settle with it's just too bad. That's just the way it is very, very well. Yeah, and for our listeners, Troy Brewer, you are author, pastor, and a child rescuer around the world doing all kinds of things. My kind of man, where you just, you get bored and you do thousand things and keep going. That's right. Or how you got to keep your mind in. I mean, we were running through your schedule pre-roll and it's just like you, you are a wild man who was doing so many things. But so many, as you said, so many impactful things that, you know, it's just rewarding. And as Nate said, like from, you know, you pastor a church, you have to write three books this year, three new books, you have a stack of books you've written. You're with us at Bluricon. You're running your own conference at the end of the month. You're heading to Uganda. You're going to Mexico, speak of the world cup. These are just things I remember or just just talking about here. And you're in the middle of a 10 day fast. You need a time machine. You need a time machine. I'm doing a time machine. You know, man, redeeming your time is a really big deal for me. And we'll talk about this again, but there's a flow of time that is non-redeem time where you are losing everything. Everything is being taken from you. And then there is a biblical flow of time that is redeem time and you're gaining everything. And as long as you're in the timeline, if it's redeemed, Paul even said, man, for me to die is gain. That's what he's talking about. He's, I'm gaining everything, no matter what state I'm in, because he lived in a flow of redeem where redemption is at work. And so I'm a redemption freak. And I want to see things change, you know, man, where there's, where they're shame I want there to be honored, where people have never had a chance. I want them to have victory. All the things that go with redemption. And so, man, everything I'm involved in has something to do with that. And dude, it's fine. To those different aspects of time travel, kind of what you're talking about. Yeah. There's like portal kind of thing where people think when they're on our, in our blurry space, but you're talking about kind of catching up from lost time where maybe there are blessings that you weren't receiving. And now you're getting them and kind of in an alternate timeline. Absolutely. So to speak. In the space that you and I command, there's different kinds of time that is available to us. And it changes the space, depending upon which, I mean, we can be sitting at the same exact table. I'm the same exact day. And you be going through something that's killing you and me going through something that's bringing me life at the same exact time, but you're operating in something differently than I'm operating in. And so I'm going to show you that all the way through the word of God. Yeah, explain that because like I think the people who are listening, including me, being like, what exactly do you mean, Troy, when you talk about? Here we go. Yeah, here we go. Two different sets of time. Because we talked a bit, and we talk about time travel. You can't help but talk about like Einstein Rosen and the ideas in theoretical or general relativity that space time, these aspects exist scientifically, where you can, wormhole is just connecting two different regions of space time, right? But we're not exactly talking about that. Maybe we are talking a bit about some of those things. We are, man, it's just there's so many different layers of how, of how you hit this thing. So let me just start off with the Bible. Can I just start off with that? Because if you were going to talk about time, we have to be able to talk about the idea of space. And if we're going to talk about space, we have to talk about matter. Because time, space and matter are imperfect continuum. What means you can't separate it? If you have matter, you have to have a space to put it in. And if you have space, you have to have time to get from one place to the other. Right. So you can't separate them. They're imperfect, what's called continuum. And so even guys like Einstein, they came up with these ideas of space time, which is a pretty recent discovery. However, if you were to look in your dad gum Bible, and you're like, okay, how many verses are in this Bible? Well, there's 31,171. That's how many there are. Okay, in the midst of 31,171, what is the first verse that God wanted us in the order of how it goes, of how the canon is presented to us? What's the first thing God wanted us to see? And it was this. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. In the beginning, time, God created the heavens, space, and the earth matter. Time, space and matter are in the very first verse of the Bible. Thousands of years before it was ever discovered. And God wants you to know, I'm not subject to any of it. I created it. So God exists outside of time, space, and matter. And he can jump into it however he wants to. So now we're talking about dimensions. Now we're talking about, okay, because if I have something that is one-dimensional, like on this piece of paper here, it's just blurry creatures. These are my scribbles and notes. I wrote on the plane here this morning. And if I'm going through this, if something is on a two-dimensional plane, it can't get into the three-dimension. But if I'm in a third-dimension, I can touch and manipulate the second dimension any way that I want to. And God is like that when it comes to time, space, and matter. He can change matter. We know that he can. He can change matter. He can. He can turn an ocean into something solid and he can walk on it. He can take a cancerous person or a leprous person and completely heal them. He can change space, totally change space. And you can find that like in the book of Acts. Philip goes down, the brother gets baptized. He comes up out of the water and he's found an azotos, which is like 70 miles away. He went from one space to another space just like that. And here's what I'm telling you. He can also change time. And he changes time a lot. A lot more than what people think that he does. And if he changes, and if you are able to realize it in your own timeline, if the Lord changes something in the time of your past, it'll change your now. So sometimes he changes your now from the future. And sometimes he changes your now from the now. And sometimes he actually changes your now from the past. And all that has to do with time travel. Yeah, because I'm going to think about prophecy and how we know all these stories kind of predict Christ indirectly. There's stories and then there's direct things that were said. It's kind of interesting that well, it's like it's supposed to happen. But yet free will is playing out with time. And I don't really know how. The key verse for that. Let me give the key verse for that. Jesus is sitting there at the last supper. Is it me? Is it me? Is it me? You know, he's like, because you know, one of you cats is fixing to do something really bad. And Jesus says this mind-blowing thing to me. He says, the scriptures must be fulfilled, but woe to the one that does it. Meaning, okay, there is one sense of prophetic timeline that it's going to happen. There's another one, dude, you got to, that you have a choice in and they're about to overlay. And that's going to be on you. Even though the scriptures said this is going to happen, that is crazy to me. So, but it makes perfect sense to Jesus because he's operating on so many different levels at one time concerning time, space, and matter. And he's like, I just want my will done here and who's in. And I like that very much. I do like the idea of two timelines being kind of laid on top of each other because I, more than two, I would imagine. Yeah. Luke, we're caught up in the crossfire between heaven and hell. 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The five copies are not to be ordered at the same time, but you've got to provide receipts and order numbers. So go get that. Go get Mike's thoughts on that. You can order just one copy, but if you do five copies, you can get... If you're going to order one, just grab four more for your favorite, the alternate friends. You get the extra PDF, and if you order 10, Joel, my portal right into your living room. Through the cosmic portal. We'll see. Indeed. F***. It makes me think of we had a discussion. It was with Dr. Laura Sangher. Do you remember the prayer experiment that was done where intercessor prayers would pray for people who were sick in the past to see if they had a different outcome in the future? It was Leonard Leba Vici in 2001. British medical journal. Interesting, because like the... I pulled it up because I made me think of this, and what's interesting about this is they did a double blind study with almost 4,000 patients, and they prayed for people who were sick in the past. The results were like, we don't know. What they found is that there's a statistical number of people that were prayed for for the wellbeing and full recovery, even those years were in the events past, and these people retroactively did show shorter hospital stays and shorter duration of fevers, even though this was in the past. So in... Which is a really... Yeah. Kind of... So that is that... That's because it works like this. In your interaction with God, God can literally change your now from your future because of what somebody else is praying in the future. That's the way it's like... And that... I'm telling you he is not subject to time. I'm telling you he's not. So you want... Guys want to know how I got into all this and how it... Yeah, I knew this looked like... I know how you got into this. How? You were trying to put hang a picture in your bathroom over the toilet. You slipped and hit your head. You drew the flux capacitor. Yeah, you drew it. You do exactly what I know how to. Oh no. No. There's a couple of things. Whatever. You know... That's how I heard it. I... And I have lots of... Biblical examples and I have lots of practical examples because we actually live this thing so much. We practice it with our kids that have been rescued. And they're like, okay, your life is not going to be dominated by the fact that you were a pornography slave for four years from the time that you were 12 to 16. It's not. We're going to invite God into your past so that it changes your now. It's real that that thing happened. But if we can bring redemption into it, what's flowing from that time is not the death that was presented there to you. What's flowing there is the throwing of King Jesus, which brings dominion. And we actually practice this. And I've seen... When I start telling you some of the miracles and things, it's going to blow your mind. But before we get to that, I got a bunch of premises. I got to walk you through. Let's do it. Okay, so you guys cool with that? Yeah, I love this kind of stuff because it's still a radical physics meets. Yeah, me too. God, me too. So it's so Biblical. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. And once you see what it is in the scriptures, you start seeing it absolutely everywhere all throughout the scriptures. Okay, so let me just give you some very fine, some very simple applications of this to be able to show you this. The book of Revelation, John the Revelator. Okay, if you're like, hey, Dad, what is the book of Revelation like? What is that all about? Well, it's obviously about the Mark of the Beast. No, it's not about the Mark of the Beast. It's called the Revelation of Jesus Christ. It's not the Revelation of the Antichrist. It's when Jesus shows up. Now, whenever you look at Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, you ain't actually looking at Jesus. You're looking at the Father. He didn't... He doesn't look like Jesus. Doesn't look like Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He looks like the Father. He says, when you see me, you see the Father, when you hear me, you hear the Father. And he's so nice. And he's so awesome. But if you want to see what Jesus is really like, if he can be him all the way, that's the book of Revelation. It's where he is revealed. And he is a bad motor scooter. He's awesome. So, if you're going to ask me and say, hey, I'm... You know, I have a 12-year-old son. I have a 12-year-old grandson and I call him... And anyway, his name is Barrett, but I call him Rooster. And Rooster asks me, hey, Papa, what is... What's the book of Revelation all about? You know, are you scared about that? I said, no, let me tell you what it's about. There was this dude in real life. The guy's name was John. And he was a personal friend of Jesus. And when he was old, Jesus showed up. 2000 years ago, pulled him up out of time and out of space, dropped him back into the future several thousand years later and showed him the whole stink of tribulation. And then he pulled him back up again, moved him, moved him another thousand years into, at the end of the millennial reign and dropped him off there, showed him the great white throne judgment and the end of all things and the beginning and the new thing that he's not allowed to ride down. And then he pulled him back up again, took him back at least 3000 years, dropped him down on this dad gum island and said, right, a book about it. That's the book of Revelation. And, you know, we don't think about it in terms of, well, yeah, he was in the spirit. It's the same thing that everybody does with everything. Blurry, they just say it's just something spiritual and there is no physicality to it. There's no physical attributes to it. There's none of that. It's just spiritual. Yeah, it's spiritual, but it's the two of the two things together. Yeah. I mean, that's still highly debated of the book of Revelation because I don't know if we have the right correct lens to read the book. Kind of have that like an experience in the blurry verse actually step into that book and read it from, most people don't even know how to conceptualize what you just talked about. Like, how does that even... It's a timeline. Timelines, you don't got to have much of a brain to understand a timeline. No disrespect to anybody who wants to debate that all day, but I mean, a biblical timeline, no matter what you think happened before the fall of Adam, however long that was. But it's 2,000 years from Adam into Abraham, 2,000 years from Abraham until Jesus, 2,000 years from Jesus until now. And then we got about 1,000 years left, which is the millennial reign. So we really are in the end times. And then that's the seven days. A day is to the Lord of the thousand years. Basically a seven day timeline. Right? And so at any point in that, you can clearly mark as with whenever the... I've been to the island of Patmos, and one of the things that's really interesting about where John wrote that book from, though the Bible does not say this at all. Just if you go there, a part of the historical fact, a Patmos is that the place where John was sent to was this Roman colony for the blind. And it's like, what are you talking about? Because their prison system was, yeah, what's going to keep you from escaping this island? They would say, do a 360 and look, and then poke their eyes out, and say the only people that's going to take care of you are the people that's here. And so you would be trapped there. And you would say there, I am not 100% convinced that John was blind when he wrote the book of Revelation. But let's just speculate for a moment that he was. That means everything he saw in Revelation, he saw without eyeballs in his head. So when it says, I turn to see the voice. That's a very interesting language, because you don't turn to see a voice, you turn to hear a voice, and to see the one that's speaking. But in that case, he turned to see the voice, and that's when everything got blurry. And that's crazy to me. So timelines, the simple understanding of the timelines is, there was about 2,000 years ago from John until now, and then from once the timeline starts for the tribulation, that is a seven year period, and then once that is over, there is a 1,000 year reign of Jesus, which is the seventh day of rest, and then there's the great way to throw in judgment, and then this is over, and it begins, and nobody knows what it is. This is like the preliminaries. This is not the big game, though. This is serious. It's serious, but it's actually the preliminaries. When do you feel like the first real time event happens in the Old Testament? Like what's the beginning of? Yeah, so seeing how this works. So how time is measured? So I get a lot of people, I don't want to say argue, but they want to talk this out, and I love this talk. I love understanding it. Like, hey, Pastor, do you believe that the seven day creation story was actually seven days? Do you believe that? And there's people that are very dogmatic, that it must be, and there are people that think that you are out of your tree to think such a thing. Well, I want to say first and foremost, if God calls it a day, I'm going to call it a day. And so I'm just going to end it there. Outside of that, I'm going to go, but you don't know what a day was. We are so brainwashed into evolution that we think it has to be billions of years. It has to be, it's got to be billions of years. But that's actually brainwashing, and I'll talk to you about that, because it doesn't have to be billions of years, because God creates things with a history attached to it. So yeah, so, and I can prove it to you. So hold that thought. Yeah. Okay, just hold on to it. You guys are being so awesome. Usually I would think you guys would have already spun me off down to 10 million. No, do this is, let's go. I don't know. Yeah, I need to. We did that last time. You did do that last time. Yeah, we did. And now we know. This is like, because I'll go and I'm a nut. You know, back before they found the Promised Land, they were wanting to the wilderness, food just fell from the sky, Luke, right? They got real tired of it. They got tired of eating quail, tired of eating mana. Maybe you're tired of eating the same thing. Maybe you're tired of ordering out. We're going to make it as easy as an ancient Israelite here on. Where you're going to eat. How do we do that? We use it with home chef. 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We want you to go because I think this is the irony in this conversation is that I think for us to understand it, it needs to be a little linear in time because we are talking about things that exist outside the constraints of time, right? Yes. That will dip back in when you're talking about that piece of paper in front of you. There's that very famous flatland experiment where they or analogy where they talk about two-dimensional and then if you put a three-dimensional thing into a two-dimensional world, what they'll see is just the sliver of your finger if it passes through a piece of paper, right? These are ways to really simplify dimensions, but if God is outside of space and time, then I think our defaults just try to constrain him and think about him within the dimensions in which we operate, right? It's just the blurry stories we've heard Troy over the years of people getting out of the new age and seeing visions of their future and then walking in them and going, oh, I already saw this. I don't think those people are lying. Or people, we've had people come on and say a gray alien touched them and then they saw their future. So what if these stories are true, then what power does God have over time and what's going to happen in prophecy? It's another level completely. Well, what they were presenting, if the alien touches you and you see your future, it's their timeline that they are fighting for dominion for. You have lots of different timelines and it's the one that they're bound to determine that this is going to happen. And they not only show you a glorious part of it, but once you go into consent with it, you also sign up for the rest of it and you don't want that. Well, so I think one of the ex wishes we talked to was like, yeah, I got to see things that came in fruition, but all of these future events are what we would call prophecy in such, but it's a cult prophecy. All had a hook of death. So you see this thing, but this thing is actually to your own, to your demise. To your destruction. Exactly. And if you will consent to the promise of the good thing, you sign up for all the rest of it. Yes. And so, and you become defeated by all of it. So, in talking about the seven days, the seven day story that is presented in the book of Genesis is actually a model for everything and how God invades his creation. So, first, you know, the light comes on, then he separates things. That's day three. That's day two. Day three, the firm foundation rises up and then day four, he gives you the timing of things. Day five, he presents to you ecosystems and things that are already at work. And then day six, he rises you up and says, be fruitful, multiply. That system is the heavenly grid for how he invades every single person's life, whether it's business, whether it's whatever. So, in the creation story, you have the seven day story there. And, you know, first day, you know, there's the word and there's light. And the second day, he divides the waters from the waters. The third day, things always rise up on the third day. The earth rises up out of the water. The fourth day, he creates the sun and the moon and the stars. So, God did not create the material universe until the fourth day. The sun and the moon and stars were not created until the fourth day. So, we're not even dealing with the material universe in day one, day two, and day three. It's not matter yet. We're talking about spiritual places. And not only are we talking about spiritual places, but like God says it's good every single time, right? Except for when he creates the firmament. And in that case, which is like second heaven, he says, and it was so. He's like, yeah, that place there is a problem. So, I was like second heaven warfare, the whole nine yards that go with all that. He doesn't call it good. It just says, and it was so. It was like God made an allowance for it. And your view of the second heaven is an expansive space between where and where. Yeah. So second heaven is a whole, there's a bunch of different ways to understand second heaven. But there's a dominion that a lot of fallen things have dominion over in second heaven that they rule from into first heaven. And so, it's a huge spiritual place, a plane, of things between heaven and things between earth. And it's where, in my view, the false idea of purgatory comes from, that there's an in-between place. There is an in-between place, in a sense of, you have a first, and second, and third heaven. God Almighty has total dominion in third heaven places. But all the warfare takes place in second place, in second heaven places. And then, spiritually speaking, it manifests in first place, in first heaven places. Okay. That's the biblical cosmology. We talked about this a bit in our Stranger Theology. So second heaven, first heaven overlap. Yep. Because it often feels like in the paranormal space, like you've got stuff that just seems just come out of the walls. And you're like, wait a minute, it was there. It was not there. And if it's worked out legally and through warfare, in the second heaven, it can manifest in the first heaven. What's the ancient view? That's the ancient view. What's the ancient view? Right? Is that all these things overlap. And they're all here. I think that, and we actually had this conversation with the T-Rite, our Western thinking, post-enlightenment, puts God way out here, way, way far away. But the ancients had it all together, overlapping the idea that heaven invades, earth, was very much what Christ was talking about. So we're talking about space now. We're talking about these things. Right. And when it's relative to the time of these things, we're talking about, during the seven days, you get to the fourth day, God creates the sun and the moon and the stars. He creates the material, physical universe and places it into the space. Right? And whenever it says in Genesis, verse 14, it says, it says, and on the fourth day, God created the sun and the moon and the stars. And he created them for signs, that's the first reason. And we'll get off into that when we talk about the heavens and how the heavens work. He created them for signs, seasons, and days, and years. So timing. And so some people might argue that time actually began on the fourth day. Okay. And it's actually a valid argument. I like it. However, I'm going to say this, I don't think Adam was subject to the timeline until he sent. Agreed. So rather time was there or time was not there. What's real is the timeline did not apply to Adam until the day that he sent. And that's what God Almighty told him. In the day that you eat at the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you shall surely die. When did he die? 969 years later. That thing that was part of the thing with Eve, she came to him and said, look, I did this and I didn't die. And they're like, we can't trust everything that God tells us. And boom, he did. And then boom, they died. They entered into death. So as soon as they entered into death, as soon as they did, a trap door fell out from underneath them and they fell into a timeline. And that was God's hidden purpose. That was his hidden design that no devil saw. And it's this. I will cause him to fall. Once they come into a sin realm, they come into a death realm, which means if I'm ever going to redeem them, they have to come into a time realm. Because time is the only place that you can say that was then this is now. And now there's going to be a new future. And there's a terminus. So there's a terminus. There were all terminals. So Satan knows we're going to have the knowledge, but he doesn't know we're going to have time. He doesn't know that because Adam and Eve was not subject to time. But as soon as they sinned, they became subject to death, which made them subject to time. And immediately God shows up, says, I got some promises. And we're going to bruise at devil's head. So he thinks. And we're going to beat this thing. He thinks he permanently traps them in eternity as fallen beings. Yes. But the death is where we get. Is where we get the timeline. There are people. And we get unredeemed time, which means everything is passing away. It's a it's a it's the terminal thing. It's a terminal thing that comes with time. So in that case, time and death is true. But it to me, it also screams that God Almighty created time for the purposes of redemption. I think that's why we have time. The best analogy we've had on the shows, kind of like God lets you play the chess game. And so much of prophecy feels like a chess game. You're thinking 30 moves in advance. Yeah. But no matter what happens, we're locked into this heaven, which is which is the board. The board. Right. So we can move the pieces. So Satan doesn't realize, I guess, that the matter of way he moves, God's got a better chess, chess move, like counter move. I think that yeah, yes. Okay. I agree with that, Nate. But I also say this to you, the thing that he could never understand in full of grasp is that God loves us so much. He thought about absolutely everything and how can I get these people into a redeem state because I want them with me. Yeah, which is like, you know, there's no way to beat God in the game. There's no way to beat, but he lets you play him. He lets you see what you got. See what you say? Bobby Fisher for this. And he's got a search form, right? Ultimately, ultimately, there is no way to beat God. Yeah. Ultimately. 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So we're talking about we're talking about time in that the physical universe, the physicality of things and even time itself, which is a construct by God. And this is the first premise in my book, redeeming your timeline. There's five premises in order to grasp and in order to apply this to your life. There's five things that you have to understand. The first thing is that God created time and is not subject to it in any way. He is the beginning in the end. Time is not the beginning in the end. And then we got this weirdo thing where we think about God is father time. No, he's father God. He's not father time. Time is one of the things that he made. And he is not subject to it. And so we have to understand that. And we have to believe that even though it's very hard for us to conceive that because all we understand is this aquarium we live in. Okay, but but he's not. The second thing is that is that God created time for the purposes of redemption. There's a reason why he created time. So in the 80s, I played in Christian rock band. I was playing down in Austin at the Liberty lunch. And I was doing this magnificent lead. I was having a time in my life. It's awesome. And after it was all over with at the Liberty lunch on 6th Street in Austin, Texas, about 1986, 1987. Behind the bar they had all this, they had all this Texas cool stuff. Kind of like this is 80s cool stuff, which by the way, one more time. And so I was checking it out. I'm playing. I'm going to lead this coming up. And this thing struck me. And then afterwards we'd always say at the end of the night, hey man, you guys are probably picked up by now that we're all Jesus Freaks. If you'd like for us to explain our journey, meet us over at the bar and let's all have a talk. And maybe we'd pray for people. We see people say it and it was cool. And it happened again when I was over there praying for people. There was this sign behind the bar that I didn't know then was a quote from Einstein. But it just said time is God's way from keeping everything from happening at once. And I was just sitting there looking at that and going, why doesn't God want everything to happen at once? What's that all about? Like, hey, if we're going to get there, let's get there because I'm very much that kind of a guy. Let's go. Let's go. It's like, why doesn't God want everything to happen at once? Because he wants time to be able to develop relationally with you a plan of redemption that is our enclave. It reminds me of that viral meme where the kid lights off the firework and it shoots into the box and everything goes off at once. Come on. And everyone's diving in the bushes because all the fireworks you get is not that scary. It's like, back up Terry. Not that one. Not that one. But it's like, you know, the whole, the whole bang went off at once and then everyone's diving for cover. It's just like fireworks is great because it's just kind of slowly, you know what I mean? It makes a lot of sense of how that would be. But practically, Terry, the idea of like, you know, you can relate this to like, free will. Like if we don't have free will to choose, there's no love, right? Where we were just programmed. And if we don't have time, you don't have a relationship because, you know, you don't, you don't meet your wife and have a relationship right away. You have it takes time as a new and has been married. Now is it like this is a thing that that continues to build and deepen as long as you there's a there's a point to guard. There's a big time point to the point is to bring finality to everything that is the enemy of God. And the point is also to give a space for God Almighty to put His armor on you and turn you and take you from here to there. It's a redeeming. And I love that. I mean, we literally have access to the blood of Jesus and it's not available in our time frame. But by faith, it's not subject to time. We literally time travel through faith in gaining access to the blood of Jesus. It trumps time. Now let's go back to on the fourth day when God created the sun and the moon and the stars whenever he did that. It says and he placed them in the firmament. So this is a different understanding of firmament. So firmament in this understanding literally means you're filled a vision. So it's like within your field of view. So like if you're going to how how are your kids? You still have any Easter egg hunters? I don't love it. Okay. So so so you got a little bit. Okay. When your kids were three and four. If you put Easter eggs out for them, you'd place them in their firmament. Because you wanted them to find them. You wanted them to see them. So it means they were placed in such a way that what he wanted you what he wanted you to see. In the physical heavens was available to your neck and eye. So he put us he put the earth exactly in a place where we could see everything. He put us third. He put us he literally created an electromagnetic field around this earth to protect us from the sun. That when the light hits it in the daytime, it converts the light to blue because it's coming towards us. Right. If it's red, if it's red, it's going away from us. Right. Star track nerds. We all know that. And it turns into blue and it comes to us. But then at nighttime it's transparent. So he's like, I put it in your field of vision, meaning I want you to look at this. I want you to understand it. But here's what I want to tell you about that. Is if on the fourth day, and God instantly created the sun and the moon and the stars, and instantly placed them in our firmament. And if on that day, if on that day, they were for signs, seasons, days and years. That means the light was already here. So if you're looking at, I don't know, if you're looking at regulus, regulus is 77 light years away. That's the heart of the line, by the way. It represents the church. There's 77 generations from Adam to Jesus. It screams Jesus. It's the heart of the line. And it's 77 light years away. If you're looking at that, what's real is you're not looking at it now in the physical. You're looking at it 77 years ago. It might have blown up 30 years ago and you won't know for another 37 years. Because the light, yeah. Because the light, right? Which takes time. Which takes time. So on that day, if you could instantly see them, if he put them in our firmament, which means you could view it, he placed it so that you could view it. And if on that day, no matter what you say a day is, if if upon that day, you could use it as a sign, you could use it as a time or as a season. That means that he created regulus with at least 77 years of light history. And what I'm saying is he created everything with history in it. As second, he created the rocks in the creeks. They were already smooth like they'd been there for thousands of years. I think that if you could have cut down a tree on day one or day five, if you could have cut down a tree, it would have had a ring system in it. Just like it had had a history that was attached to it because he created it with a history. And when I first began to contemplate that, which of course we know that with Adam, right? So he stood up Adam. So let's just say he's at his prime age, which is obviously 59. That's my age. That's pretty, I mean, yeah, that's what that's got. He had more testosterone, more testosterone at 59 than he ever had. He's just, he was amazing. You're a bad motor. So if the dude, if the dude is standing up, let's just say he's 33, right? All right, he's 30. Let's just say whatever that is. If he wouldn't went to a physical doctor, and if you said, if you tell this doctor, how does this cat? And he's five minutes old. He said, well, of course, he's 30 years old. Okay, well, explain to me how that timeline works. Okay, well, there was a stage where he went through this, this, this, this. And his psyche and his development and his physicality went from crawling to walking and all that kind of stuff. That would be true. And you can't deny that, but you also couldn't deny he was five minutes old because he was created with a history. And once I began to understand that, and once that began to bake my noodle, I started going, I bet you I can pray that God created a new history for these kids that I'm rescuing. If I can invite him into my now, and if I can invite him into my future, like, I'm not waiting until the day that I'm dying to ask God to be with me, I've already asked Jesus to meet me there. He's already there. And I'm going to catch up with him someday. And I prayed, man, that the last day of my life will be the best day of my life. That the last 10 minutes of my life will be the most glorious. He's going to meet me there. And I'm going to be like, I don't got to worry about trying to find him then. I've already I'm finding him there now. And someday, I'll actually see that. That also works in the reverse. If I can ask Jesus into my now, and he's not subject to time, and if I can ask Jesus into my future, and let me stop throw that out there and just say this, if like, we have I have thousands of kids in Uganda. I'm going to be there at the end of this month. Okay, I pray all the time that God will be with them right now, just like I'm praying he will be with me right now. Okay, well, that's not possible concerning the physics of space, but we know it's possible. You can pray for God to be with them right now. Uh-huh. And he's with them, even though there's all this space. All right, well, if that is true, then even though there's all this time, you can also invite him to be manifest in the same exact way. So God is, God is omnipresent, but he's not manifest everywhere. And the difference between it being redeemed or not redeemed has to do with if his manifest present is seen there. I literally invite every time I have a horrible memory, a something shameful, something stupid, something done to me, something I did to somebody else, I invite the Lord into those places. And I find I don't have any more trouble out of those places. I find, oh, the throne of Jesus rules and reigns from that place, not my stupidity that I handed over to the dominion of the enemy. There's nothing the enemy can do about it if Jesus shows up in that place. If you talk about that, then like in practicals for like with the kids example, because if you think about this, the most horrible thing, the most evil of evil things is human trafficking and the things that are done, just diabolical things that are done to children that you rescue. Practically if you're asking Jesus to rewrite their history, is that it doesn't take any of those things that happened away, but it just just take the power away. Is that what you're saying? So he can, he literally can create a new history. Now, I want to challenge this in a whole lot of different ways. Sometimes how I've seen it happen is I have seen it happen just in the fact that once we invited the Lord into that place, the event had still happened. But now that God was in on it, it changed what the fruit of it was. Okay, that's one level. There's another way that we have asked God to be in on it, and we've asked God to change it. And if you ask that person did that happen, they'll say yes, but nobody else can find any record of it. Interesting. I got so many of these stories. I live in this madness. And there's a guy who came to my church, been in prison for 24 years, and we were like helping him. We were, he's a good guy, had done some really bad things when he's young. Robbed a bunch of people. He was a punk man. And he actually got like a 40-year sentence and he got off at 24. And he robbed a bunch of people and beat up a bunch of people in all kinds of madness. The brother got saved in prison. We have a prison ministry. He got out and said, hey, man, come to our church, we want to make sure that you're taking care of. And he's like, okay, so we're taking care of him. After a couple of months, he came to me and I said, how you doing, man? How was it like, man, you hadn't been out in 24 years? You know, what's that like and all that? And he said, it's not good. He said, I'm never going to get a job. He goes, do my rap sheet is so bad. And he said, I have to get a job. And I said, what are you talking about? Like, come on, let me talk to some people for you. Yeah, yeah, and do that. No, his rap sheet was so bad. And I actually, there's a bunch of cops that I work with. And we pulled up his rap sheet. And I want, yeah, I would never hire this guy. Like, do that's bad. I knew it was bad, but I was like, oh, man, that's bad. So I got to talking to him about it. And I said, bro, what is the concerning your time in prison? What was the worst, most shameful moment that you could imagine in your entirety of when you went to the pen? And he says, easy, he goes, it was a day of a sentence. And he said, my teenage kids were there. My ex-o lady was there. And I knew, when I got sentenced to 40 something years, I knew that everything anybody had ever said about me was true. I knew that my kids would grow up fatherless. I knew that my wife would leave me. And I knew that the worst possible scenario of my life had come true. And I was the one that drove it into that place. And there was nothing I could do about it. And I said, Ben, do you remember that day? I said, yeah. So I started talking to him about this principle. And I said, what if you and I got together, just like we asked Jesus right now, Lord, would you show up to where we can tangibly feel and know your presence? Will you show up? Will you speak to us somehow some way? What if we did that for you back then? And dude, him being as uneducated as he was, he was not going to ask the questions that you would, because he's never explored these kinds of things. He was just ignorant of me. He's not stupid guy at all. But he's like, we can do that. He said, yeah, and he instantly said, let's do it. What'll happen if I ask Jesus into my courtroom? I'm like, I don't know. It'll just be a whole lot better. Because we got to get this shame off of you, man. And you got to start instead of seeing yourself from when you were alone without God in that situation, there's got to be some reality where Jesus can make you know and understand for real that he is there with you in that memory, in that physical place of time and space. He was like, hey, do you let's pray? We pray. We ask the Lord go into it. I'm not making this up. I tell you the truth is God is my witness. Within the next three days, this guy was well, because he didn't have a car. He walked everywhere, man looking for a job. And one of the things that he had learned how to do was, was he was welded the whole time he was in prison. So he goes to this place where they're hiring a big time welding guy. And he goes in there. He applies for a, you know, he's doing an application and he's working on the application, which is a struggle for him. And he's scared, you know, and he has no confidence what he's doing. And this guy comes out of his office and he goes, and he's solid tattooed. He's got a scary looking. I mean, he's rough. And this guy comes out and says, what are you applying for? And he said, I'm applying for the welder position. He said, can you weld? He said, yeah, he said, can you weld with this, that, this, this. And he said, yeah, I can do all that. He goes, come here and let's see. Takes him out there, sits down, does everything and the guy goes, dude, you're hard. I'm fixing to hire you, man. And he goes, I've been looking for you. And the guy actually said later he had been pran for the right, for the right person. And so he says, cool. And he says, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to run your application. And he said, please tell me you haven't been in prison for the past 25 years. And the guy goes, I have been in prison for the past 24 of my years. And he goes, dude, my dad owns this company. And he said, I'm going to try and get you in. And he goes, are you going to rob me or kill me? Or something, man, he goes, brother, I just want to go. I go to open door church. I'm friends with Pastor Chorin and guys like, I heard of that cat. Like, okay, guys, okay. So he says, well, let me run and let me get your, let me get all your info and all this. And I got to get your rap sheet and see if it's something we can beat. They order it. There's no record of that cat ever having been in prison in the state of Texas. The guy has been in prison for 24 years. So they says, no, no, I've got a probation officer. I've got the whole nine yards. I've got it all. I promise you I've been in prison. He said, let me run it through again. Go through and run it again. He said, let me run it through three, three times. Three times. There's no record of this guy ever been in prison. So he said, who is your probation officer? So he calls his probation officer, talks to the probation officer, says, well, we can't find any record. And then the probation officer gets on and goes, I can't, I've lost every foul this cat has. I can feel the Lord right now. He's like, well, I don't know what's going on. I mean, this is my guy and I know him and I know where he comes from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He ended up having to go to court for everything and they just determined they cannot find his records. That guy today is a huge boss. That guy today makes hundreds of dollars an hour. And he's incredibly successful because the Lord just erased his record. That's wow. That's cool. Yeah, he got hired on there at 50 bucks an hour and this is several years back. And he's since worked there. He still works at the same exact place, still doing the same thing. But God literally erased his record. It was a huge thing about how could this happen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Somebody else, the man else needs to do this and all this. And finally, some judge just said, well, it is what it is. He's done. That's why. Yeah. Okay, that didn't happen until we invited the Lord into that place to be made manifest. So how it showed up or how it was manifest in his life was the record that was keeping him from living a life forward. So you're saying time is like, like think about a gardener. Anyone out there has a garden or grows anything. Two humans are dropped and eaten. There's already topsoil. You know, I'm saying you can't start a garden and wait 30 years for the topsoil to show that black dirt and stuff. You know, I'm saying so it's like, so time is a circle that's always happening all the same time. Like it's always, it's not a line. And you can go back into those moments, redeem them, reclaim them, just like there was soil on the ground when the first two humans stepped on the grass. There was already a whole history of dirt under their feet. Already a whole history. Even though the dirt, biblically and how we understand it, was only there for one day. Yeah. Okay. Troy, do we see this anywhere else in the Bible? New Testament anywhere else? Do we see this sort of principle happening? Okay. So yeah. I mean, I know you've got five. I don't think we got to one of the five things. No, no, I got some amazing scripts here for you. Well, you guys, I'm not sure that I have the right notes here. I'm just going to give you this. This is Psalms 139 verse 5. Okay. Psalms 139 verse 5. You've gone into my future to prepare the way and in kindness you follow behind me, you to spare me from the harm of my past. Let me say that again. You've gone into my future to prepare the way and in kindness you follow behind me to spare me from the harm of my past with your hand of love upon my life you impart a blessing. It's got future past and present in it. Psalms 139 verse 5. We think of that as a metaphor and it's not. It's not. And I dig that. I have tons of scriptures, by the way, we could go through all the scriptures if you want to. And I have tons and tons and tons of scriptures. I've got changing time. I've got stopping time. Right? Awesome. Yeah, exactly right. Whenever he was talking to the prophet Isaiah, Isaiah came in and pronounced death, he walked in and then all of a sudden it backed up, the shadow backed all the way up and then it started again. He literally changed it. He said, okay, I'm going to give you another 15 years, dude. He changed it. So he can change time. He can manipulate time. He can stop time. He can accelerate time. And he can move you from one millennial to another to another as he did with John. He also can cause you to be Moses or Elijah. And Moses go to the mountain. Elijah go to the mountain. They had this encounter with God where they end up with Jesus. Years and years and years later on the same mountain. Yeah. Right? And then they go back to the respected places of time and they finish their jobs and they do their thing. I'm telling you man, he's not subject to time. Do you feel like other entities? It feels like the way that God does it is sort of different than maybe people who can sort of bend time, bend the rules, gravity is a big part of time. A lot of people say that the UFO technology in itself messes with time because of the anti-gravity. If it messes with space, if it can go in and out of one dimension to another dimension concern in space, I don't know how it can not have some kind of dominion in the same exact arena of time because it is the same. And so I would not be surprised at all if that's a big part of what these demonic knuckleheads of both earthly beings and celestial beings that are in cohorts together today that that's a big part of the advantage that they're looking for. And I'm certainly operating it where they can look into the future, they can predict the future, send it to Hollywood, Hollywood writers guild because they got to put it out and open and it shows up in a Simpsons or whatever. And spit those things out. I'm very sure. I mean, in fact, word of God says concerning the antichrist, he will seek to change the times, the times in the seasons. And so like... So he's going to get rid of daylight savings time. That'll be a pause. Yeah, that would be okay. I would be okay. I think the brothers got his shoulder raised for me. It was fun. It reminds me of the story. And I'm sure you have stories like this, that I heard from two guys that work in trafficking. It brings us to my mind that they work with traffic children. I'm sure you never want to just run this by you, but there's a number of stories. And when they told me, we said this isn't an outlier. This has happened where kids are trafficking abused and in the midst of their abuse. Jesus shows up and takes them and builds them a tent and takes them out of these places and hangs out with them. And these moments of trauma to help them escape. I... We've heard that brother multiple times across multiple cultures. Like the Lord would come and get me. This thing would start to happen. He would come and get me. Make you want to cry. And I... I... One of... There's a girl that I'm good friends with. She works for me. She's one of my daughters. She's like 30, 31 years old. It was documented. It's hard to imagine this, but it was documented from the time that she was 12 to the time that she was 16, almost 17, that her body was so 31,000 times. It's part of the case against the people against her. I mean, they were literally we're trying to kill her, like just work her to death. And she just didn't die. Okay, that girl works for me. That girl is with me. That girl is in my house down there. She testified before Congress last year when I went to the Mexican Congress. She also spoke at the Mexican Congress. She's also spoke to Congress here within the United States. Her case is like probably the most famous case in Mexico about what happens to a trafficking to a trafficked kid. And now I can tell you this. If you ask her, she'll... She will flat out tell you. Yeah, there were times and she said there were days and there were weeks of my life that I spent time with the Lord. Not a moment, but days and weeks of her life, where she said, I didn't think I was going back. And I was sad and disappointed when I found out it was still in my body. Yeah, we've heard that story over and over again. Well, that's also a time thing, right? It's like you... It's like God invades, heaven invades that point in time and rescues, which is like a whole... I mean, people cannot believe that or say this is all just like dissociation. I mean, there's a lot of people that will say this is just people dissociating from their situation, but it's hard to know we know. I just... Well, it's the same as somebody that a hold up a rock and say, you can't believe the Bible. You cannot tell me that this is not a billion years old. It depends on which timeline you're looking at. Are you looking at a timeline without God, or are you looking at one with God? Because the one with God says God created it and he created it with the history. The one without God says there's a history without God. And so, yeah. Can we talk about a moment? Like, speaking of time, I remember when Dr. Michael Heiser came on the show in the beginning. He told the story of David at Kaila and first Samuel 23, 10 through 12, and I'll kind of catch our listeners up. David's on the run from Saul and Heiser goes into... Come on. Talking about this, he just saved the city. It's all knows well enough to ask. So, he asks God two questions. Will Saul come down to Kaila, and will the people of Kaila hand me over to him? And God answers both and says, yes, Saul will come down. And yes, they will surrender you. And what's interesting is neither things happened yet. And so David then leaves. So, what's going on there? I remember when Heiser was saying that, I was like, this is mind-blowing. He said, God four new two things that didn't happen. So, how much of it is predestined, I guess, we could talk about that language. And... But yeah, David doesn't choose either of those. So... Yeah, so, I know it begs our noodle when we think about this because... I want to say, the unredeemed conclusion is that there's not anything anybody can do. That's not what that story says. That's not what He says. That's not the... That is such an unhealthy, unbiblical, unjesus conclusion to come to. The conclusion that you come to is... When God says, okay, this is how it's going to play out and you go, but wait, it doesn't. That means either he changed it or somebody else changed it. Yeah. And like, boy, you can't change it if God says it's going to happen. Oh no, hear me say this. And this is going to make a lot of people mad when I say this. But I mean, God Almighty is famous for given people prophecies that don't happen. Like, even Jonah, like Jonah is a really big one. And Jonah gets so mad whenever he prophesies 40 days, men, you're all going to die. And they don't on the 40th day. He tells God, didn't I tell you that that's what would happen if you gave me that prophetic word and I finally delivered it? You didn't up change in your mind anyway? Yeah. Like, what are you doing? Like, I knew you were going to do that. And I mean, that's what that's what Jonah tells God. I knew you were going to do that. I knew you were going to change it after I finally gave the prophetic word. So the problem is our Western understanding of sovereignty. That is the problem. It's not that God is not sovereign. It's not that he's over everything. It's that he's over everything. And he lesser be tons of variables for our sake. It's for our sake that he is not for his sake. It's for our sake. And that has to do with first heaven ground rules and has to do with timelines. How many things can actually change in the play out of the timelines? It will ultimately end up that Jesus crosses on throne. And he will rule and reign. And there ain't no change in that. He is coming back. We can all argue about when, how and all that, because all that's a lot of biblical speculation, right? But he will come back. And it's going to happen. And so again, I go back to that verse where Jesus says about Judas, the scriptures must be fulfilled. I mean, like that has to happen. But woe to the one that does it. In other words, woe to the one that chooses to be the one that that thing's talking about. So he's talking about both levels at the same time. The whole thing of the variables and the whole thing of certainty come together within a timeline somehow. That only God Almighty can make that happen. And that's the minor in those, right? That this perception that we, or not of the perception, the idea that we can choose. Yes. And that, but God still knows. Yes. What we're going to choose. Yes. Right. Yes. And I think this is the sort of the macro picture is that those choices all are redeemable within time, even when we screw it up. Yes. Right. Yes. And that's the hard part. Because if he sits out of space in time, he's the beginning and the end, then he's seen all of it. And yet in our perspective, as it plays out, literally, we're still in this. Our perception is a time is unfolding out in front of us. And yet God is outside of it saying, I'm going to hear at the end already. And I was here at the beginning. That's right. At the same time I'm here at the beginning and the end. He is beginning and the end. That's right. Yeah, we think of all things prophetic as futuristic and it's not. There is bringing heaven into the now. There's also bringing heaven into the past. There's a whole lot of different things. You were actually bringing up all of the go. The difference between linear timelines and cyclical seasons. And both of those things are real at the same exact time. Okay. So that's the difference between times and seasons. So times is a linear line. Time is a linear line. And it's always based around an epic event. It has a beginning and an ending of an epic event. Like, there was a time mainly annotated. Then there was a time we got married and we started having babies like Jackrabbits. Then there was the time our kids were in the house. Then there was a time our kids were out of the house. By the way, all four of my kids got married in the same year. Oh, that was an expensive year, true. It was the best of times in the worst of times. It's fun. You had to have a ranch to get the fat and calf to have all these feasts. So I was like, dude, all the rats are leaving the ship. Okay. Okay. Four weddings and more. But times are around an epic event. Seasons are cyclical. And they're actually meant to be predictable. You should know, if you understand this season, you should be able to know what the next season is. Both naturally and prophetically. That's a whole different way, man to partner with God. Now, here's what I want to tell you. In Ecclesiastes chapter three, it gives, there's a time and season for everything under the sun. Right? So you know Ecclesiastes you'll turn, turn, turn, turn. Okay. Okay. Well, when you get to that, if you count them, there's 28 of them. So 28 is the number that represents times and seasons all the way through the word of God. And so I got a whole chapter on 28 on numbers of preach. It's magnificent how it represents times and seasons. But here's what's cool. You guys got to know this. The time that begins is a time to be born. So we know that that is in perfect sequence. The last one is not a time to die. The last one is a time of peace. The 28th one is a time of peace. And the Bible says in Psalm 37, 37, marked the perfect and upright man for his end shall be peace. So it begins at being born. It ends at peace. That's how the timeline works in the sense of redemption. Now, if you go to bobblegateway.com, you tap up the word cross because we know this is the cross that takes care of all this, that brings it from non-radiant and radime. If you go to the word cross, you go to King James, you tap up the word cross, bobblegateway, hit it. There's 28 crosses in the Bible. The word cross is found in the Bible exactly 28 times. And that tells me that Jesus has a plan of redemption for every time and every single season that anybody can experience. He's already been there. Hmm. Jesus is saying, if you're lost and you look, you will find me time after time after. That's a time after time. You know what I'm saying? So what do you do, Troy, with those stories? We hear a lot of them, like paranormal stories where people will like take their car or the pull off the side of the road. And they're like in the 60s and they see the old. And they lose time? No, they go back into time. They're like show up at a diner. They walk into a diner and there's like, it's like another era. And then they come back and it's back to this. Like all the greasers, like, bought, yeah, boarded up and not open and they're like, wait a minute, I experienced 1965 for an afternoon, heard countless stories like that. I haven't. I love that story though. What do you do with that? I have no idea. I don't either. Honestly, like, wow. Okay, really? So you stepped into another time and you experienced it. And then you came back into this place. I wonder whether it's the Lord or it's not the Lord. What could only be deposited in them are shown to them in that time that they wouldn't be able to find in the time of they're in now? That's that's where I think I would go. Like the purpose. It's like bringing something. So another word is stayed hidden for all those years. And the only way you could access it was to go back to that place and then bring it back into the Ford. It's just like a moment that can change your life and perception. I don't know. I mean, obviously, I love it's a wonderful life. I do too. It's like one of the best films ever. One of the greatest. I love it. Yeah, but it's like this opportunity to kind of see what the world would be like without you in it. And you know what you see? You've wasted a wonderful gift. Just kind of, as a kid, I remember thinking like this is a film is ahead of its time. Yeah, it was ahead of the work for her. Okay, I got my favorite Christmas movie. Yeah, this thing where I have had this crazy cool encounter that I got to share with you. I've had two encounters I got to share with you if you'll let me. If this is still on track with where you guys want to let you. We'll let you. To try. Yeah, okay, we're tracking. Okay, all right. Thank you. This time. So I know you prayed before this episode to let us allow you to tell the story. I actually prayed before this episode that God would show up as soon as we got started. And lead us from thought to thought and from place to place. I hear Dr. Laura Singer. She says, I pray that God will release the scroll for that moment in that space. I'm like, yes, ma'am, I know exactly what you're talking about. I love that. And I actually prayed that because because you know, I've been fasting and I've been so busy and I've been going from place to place to place. I'm like, just coming up here on the plane. I was like, I hope all this is going to make sense. And I was like, Lord, just tell me you'll meet me there. Right now in the future. I'll catch up with you and then I won't be scared. And that's exactly what happened. And so I practiced that. Well, okay. So one of the most profound things I've ever seen happen concern in this thing that we're talking about is the Lord took me to my future. Hopefully way off in my future. And I had an encounter with the Lord where he took me to my future. Show me something in my past, which happened to be the day of. So from my future, the Lord brought me to a place in my future. Told me something about my past and gave me a chance to change it. And it was that day. And I've actually seen this happen. So Leanne and I went and spoke at Jarian Web's big conference in Hillbilly, Florida. I love Hillbilly, Florida. I love Hillbilly, Florida, Georgia. Is that a real place? That's enough. Backed out. It is just there's just different. There's just different. Yeah, that is a place, of course, right? So you know the band. And like, man, they're just different. I love those people. I like, I feel so at home there. And like, man, these people are so cool. We left there and I tell Leanne, man, what if we, instead of just going home, let's go down a key West and just escape from everybody. Nobody will know we're there. And we'll just shack up for a couple of days. It'll be amazing. Let's go. And so Leanne and I, we've been married for 34 years, about to be 35 years next month. And I'm like, let's go. I just, I want to love you. I want to tell you, I love you. She's like, yeah, let's go. So we go there. The second night that we're there, I'm asleep. And I have a dream. Now, I'm going to call this a dream. But I'm also going to tell you it was a lot more than a dream. But let's just call it a dream, okay? And the dream is, I stepped into this place and I had just died. And I am very aware. Whoa. I just died. And I'm like, wow. And I'm like, where am I? And there's like this tunnel. And it's kind of like the tunnel before you go into the football field. It's like that. And I know that at the end of that, I'm going to step into heaven. I'm going to see Jesus. And there's a crowd waiting on me. And there's one guy halfway through the tunnel that's sitting at this table. And it's like he's doing a podcast. He's sitting at a table. He's got a microphone. And he's like, hey, Troy, wow. Dude, what awesome favor you had on your life. Can we sit down and talk about it? All of heaven is listening. And I said, yeah, that's it. And I'm antsy and I'm just like, I'm not disappointed. I died. I'm not freaking out. Like that was awesome. That was great. And he's like, Troy, you had such incredible favor, man. So just tell us. So what did you learn about the father through all the favor that was on you? And I was like, oh man, I learned so much. And I had this mind that was incredible. We played different from this mind. And we had this great talk. And he goes, yeah, that's beautiful. And he said, what do you think your top 10 miracles were? And what did you hear from the Lord? What did you learn about the heart of the father through your top 10 favorite miracles that you saw in your life? I instantly knew what they were. And I started rattling them off, talking about it. And I was excited. Like I am talking to you guys. Like I'm excited about getting this information. And I just knew there were people in heaven that was listening to this and they're going, oh, this is the best interview ever. We love this. And then he said, what about the miracles you missed? And I said, what? And he said, yeah, the miracles you missed. What do you think the top 10 miracles were that you missed? And I instantly knew there were millions of miracles that God had laid up for me that he was working hard. And it was all lined up for it to happen. But something happened in the lineup and it didn't happen. Many times it was my fault. Many times it was not my fault. Sometimes it was, I was just unaware. Sometimes it was just the way that things worked out. It was dependent upon other people and that didn't happen. And I was instantly, it was like I went through this rola decks of millions of missed miracles and it stopped on one. And I said, I know what the, I know what the biggest miracle is. I ever missed. And he said, what is it? Pause because on that day, I had been talking to my team that was working in the Amazon. And they were telling me about this little girl that they had rescued that was nonverbal. And they had had her for a while. They had had her for like 10 days. She's completely nonverbal, totally feral, out of her tree, so mentally and emotionally damaged, very animalistic. And they sent me this picture ever. She's nine years old. And whenever they were telling me about it and they were just like, I have never been so heartbroken over a child of my life. And these guys are veterans. These guys do this. And they're like, I have never truly been so heartbroken over a child. Pray for this kid. Like this kid is, needs to be institutionalized. This kid is out of, is literally out of her mind. I'm like, okay, and I went to bed and I was looking at the last thing before I went to bed. I was looking at her picture on my phone and just tearing up over it. Put the phone down when sleeper than had this dream. So going back to the dream, the file stopped on the one miracle I've missed. And I said, I know what it is. If back in 22, when me and Liana was shacked up in Key West, if I could have found a way to make it to the Amazon, if I would have had the courage to get on a plane, go down there. And if I could have found those guys, I would have walked straight up to that little girl and I would said, I'm your Papa Troy. And chains would have just fallen off of her and she would have understood the father's love and she would have ran to me and she would have hugged me. And then I would have told her, it's okay for you to start talking and then that little girl would have started talking. And I looked at the guy and the guy goes, yeah, that was a big one. Boom, and it was over. And I woke up and I set up in bed. I'm having a dream or a vision or encounter in the future about the past, which is the now. And I'm thinking, is this that week that is today? That's going down. I woke up, and I told her, I gotta go on the Amazon. I gotta go. And I told her what happened. She goes, yeah, you gotta go. I call my son Ben. Dude, meet me down in Bogota. And then let's get another flight and go from Bogota to Latisha. And he's okay, dad. I drove to Miami, found a flight to Bogota, Ben met me there. We spent the night there next morning. We got up early, made another flight to Latisha. We get off the plane. Our team came and picked us up from the plane. They're like, what are you doing here? What's going on? And I tell them this story. Dude, that little girl is going to have a miracle. And dude, they're always so full of faith, but they had been with this little girl for 10 days. They're like, you came down here to pray for her. Like, and they're like, that's so, Papatro, you're such an Oscar. And I'm like, shut up. We're gonna see a miracle. Let's go. Let's go. And I'm all fired up. And they were not fired up. They're like, okay, yeah, pretty good, you know. They're polite about it. We get there, go into the place. There's like 40 people on our team that's down there. We have cameras going, and we have movie cameras going. And I have all the footage of all this. This little girl standing against the wall with her mouth up and just blankly staring forward. And they said, that's her. And I'm looking at her and I said, yeah, that's her, man. Like, wow, there she is in the flesh. She's like seeing a rock star, you know. Been looking at you. I mean, praying for you. And I started going, hey, Frank Siali. Hey, she won't look at me. Hey, Frank Siali. Hey, hey, hey. And after a while, she looked at her, like this, and I said, it's your Papa Troy. Come over here and see me. Come over here. She was looking at me like an all of a sudden, her eyes got full of life. And she smiled. And to everybody's astonishment, that little girl came running across the room and jumped on me. This is a little girl that wouldn't touch anybody, wouldn't allow. Anybody to touch her. And I went, that's the first part. And I'm hugging her and hugging her. Everybody's balling and squalling and swan on me are rescuer. And she also speaks Portuguese. We're actually on the Brazilian side. Look, we crossed over into Brazil and this, this will grow only speaks Portuguese. And so we're translating. I'm loving on her. And I said, guys, watch this, watch this. And so I get down on my knees. So number one, when I let go of hugging her, it wasn't just like a hug. It was like, she wouldn't let go. It's like, you know, the alien on John Her. Yeah, it's like she ain't let go. So when I let go and I leaned up, her feet came off the ground. Like, no, you gotta hold me. So I'm holding her and everybody's balling. I get down to where I'm on my knees. And I'm looking at this little nine-year-old girl that looks a lot younger than I. And she's so malnutritioned. And I'm looking at her. I'm said, Francielli, it's okay if you start talking now. I didn't pray some crazy prayer. You know, I didn't, it was like, you know, I just said what I had said in the dream. Francielli, it's okay if you start talking now. And she does this. She goes, Papa, do you see that little boy right over there? And I said, yes, Pam. And she said, he can't even cross the street because he gets run over. I had to hold his hand whenever I walk him across there. And I said, oh, you do. And she said, you said that little girl over there? I said, yeah, she talks bad about everybody. And I don't want her to talk bad about it. She turned into this chatty, Kathy, this mama girl. And just started just, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang. Okay, was she so important? She's important. Important. She's the praise and worship leader of the church that she's in down there now. And she's like 13 now or something like that. But she literally leaves praise and worship. She sings and she says, Jesus freak. And I saw that miracle happen. It's one of the greatest miracles I've ever seen in my whole life. And it's one in the future I said I had missed it. But I woke up in the now and knew I didn't have to and went down there and God showed up. And that is real. Wow, dude. Where do we go with this? Right? I mean, I, because yeah, I think the intersection between free will and time is just like a circle in my head. So if we follow Jesus, how do we, and we wrote a whole book? How do you redeem? Unredeem time. We're all called precinct kings. As a priest, we apply the blood. And as a king, we have dominion. And so where you go with this is, no matter what your circumstances are, no matter what actually happens, the fact of what has happened does not supersede the truth of what God says it is. Okay. So it's like you can live according to the facts. Well, the facts are according to your perception and all that. And there might have been a whole nother reality that was going on that you never tapped into. And there might also be a whole nother reality that you can add to a layer of that that was never added before. And so it gives me great hope because I, I believe Jesus is so willing to show up anywhere anytime. And I mean, what else, how much more can he die for us? How much more can he resurrect to prove that to us? How much more can he intercede for the nations? What else, what, what else does he have to do before we finally believe that if we seek him, we will find him? And that isn't, that is including every matter in life, all of our space that we are commanded to steward. That's space. I mean, like my physical house, the place where I work, the place of where I walk, and it also has to do with whatever timelines I'm charged to steward. If we expand our paradigms to include the time as we're talking about in the show, how do we practically apply this to to our... I need to be able to recognize if there's any place in my life that is just miserable hell for me, I want to tell you this is going to sound crazy, but I have to repent. Even though that's real that I went through that, it's a godless place for me. And I have to repent and say, Lord, I'm sorry, I have not given you dominion over this. I have so much pain and hurt invested into this. I see it as mine. It's not mine, it's yours. And I have ever right to have that. I'm laying down my life or giving up my rights, and I'm turning that over to you. He will show up in the most shameful places, in the most real way, whether it's past, present, or future. And you'll say at the end of it, the same exact thing that the cherubim say, holy, holy, holy is Lord God of money, who was and who is and who is yet to come. Every time they circle the throne, they see him in a new way in the past, a new way in the present, and within a new way, within the future. And we have to do that. That is connected to the throne of the Lord. Do you see this as a rhythm? I think about this in the fact of, if I want to apply this to the trauma or the things, the dark places of my own life, or I think about my wife, or folks, things that I know intimately about myself, or her, you don't know how miracles work too. Sometimes it's instantaneous, instantaneous healing, sometimes God's on. So as you walk it through, you walk through, is the same principle here, like that God can unwind, something immediately like you did with the expunging, a prison record. Yes. Or is it sometimes we just have to keep laying that down and God heals in his timeline, if you will? It depends. What determines that is the kind of relationship Jesus wants to have with you in that. It's a very relational process. And that's why it's different for everybody. I mean, I've only seen that the record thing just over here one time. I prayed for it since a bunch of times, and I haven't seen it happen. And I've only seen that happen one time, but it did happen. And so I think first and foremost, what you do is, you're willingness to give not only the matters of your life and the matter of your life to Jesus, to surrender to that to Him, but also your times to go, that time has always meant this to me. I've got to give that to Him. I have to give that to Him. There's a lot of people I cannot imagine, people finding some way to have forgiveness. Over things that have happened to them, unless that time does not belong to them at all. It belongs to God now. And I know that that can happen. I know what I'm talking about. It's interesting. It reminds me, it reminds me of praying through some things with the guy's been on our show, Grant Pemberton, who's also at BlurryCon. And one of the things he was doing in this prayer session was taking you back to these moments of trauma and then saying, do you see Jesus there? You see there. There you go. And what's he doing? Yeah. That's what he's doing. He's turning that over to the Lord. And the Lord is revealing to us. How revelation works is the Lord has made manifest in some way. And once you see Jesus there in time, space, or matter, the dominion of the whole thing and how it flows to you goes from whatever had dominion there before to the throne of Jesus Christ. And so it's what comes from the throne to you. It's what comes from God's heart towards you. And there's a place of faith that you tap into that. Just like the place of faith that we have in believing that Jesus died for us on the cross. What's the real thing? Nobody really knows what that means. I'm just going to tell you. And anybody that says what they do, they're crazy. What's the real thing is we learn what that means over and over and over in brand new ways over and over and over again. But we can't, I can't physically go and touch the blood and say, this blood applies to me. But the Lord counts it legally as if I have by having faith in that. And so it transcends time, it transcends space. So obviously as a kid and you learn the Christian story, the promises, eternal life, what is eternal life? So good. Yeah, right on. So it's not just future, is it? No. You know, whenever he says, you will never experience pain again. And it says this, he says, I will remember your sins no more. That's what he says. He goes, there's a day coming. I won't even be able to remember that you've ever been apart from me because in the place where we're going to live, you never have been. That's a hard one to do. That's a very difficult one. I mean, it's very difficult. But I mean, I can trust him. You know, this thing, man, that we're working out right now, is such a mess. It's just such a mess. All of it is. But there's a place that God Almighty is bringing us to where we stand with God, we will always stand with God, and we have always stood with God. And only Jesus can make that happen. Did you going to remember who you were? Yeah. You're going to have an identity. You're not going to like have an Asia and show up to heaven and have no right. No, no, no, no. Reconant. No, no, no, no. Recollection of what your life was like. But at some point, our lens is going to be from the instantaneous part. As soon as we step, we take our last breath, our last breath of Tennessee air, our first breath of heavens air. And we go, oh, wow, this is different. No longer subject to my brain, no longer subject to my physicality. This is different. And now I'm starting to learn and know everything. You continue to learn. You continue to learn. You continue to grow. You continue to explore. You continue to do that. So it's not like, all of a sudden, you just know everything. You know how to access Jesus in every way. But there is also a place that is coming where we will have such an understanding of what this lifetime was all about. We will not see this as our identity. We'll be like, wow, God put us in the preliminaries and He saved us. Thank you. That is amazing. But we'll know who we are then in a way like we cannot know who we are now. This has been a good time. That's a huge joy. Thank you so much. I obviously, you can talk about this forever. We can make a bunch of puns here. But probably couldn't have had this conversation early in the show. I mean, some of the things Heiser said early on in our podcast, we were like, whoa, that's mind-blowing. And now, after years of stories and all the weird and the woo and how, even entities bend this space around them. What we can see and can't see and dimensions and gates and portals and going to and from, I don't know. It's easier to have the conversation. Still just as mysterious, but it's great to have you in. Tell our listeners where they can get this book, mostly what you're talking about and redeem their own timeline. Right on. Well, the easiest way is to go to Troiber.com. Yeah, that's my name. But you can find the book anywhere. You're a domain. Talk about Dominion. Yeah. Yeah. Dominion over that spot. Right. Do you own baked noodle dot com? Cause he's bad motor scooter dot. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to get some of that. You can get these domains tried. They're already gone. They're already gone. So Troiber.com or just look it up redeeming your timeline. Yeah. I'm just reminded my last thought of the reminded of what I think Paul had a pretty good interesting grasp of that. So I mean, there's a lot of thoughts about him having an entity. But I mean, you think this whole conversation we think of first Corinthians when he says, for now we see through a glass star. Got it. But then face to face. Yeah. Now I know him part but then shall I know? Yep. Even also as I'm known, which is that's the King James, but it's it's a palindrome. He's saying one of the things that he's saying glass darkly literally means mirror, right? It means a foggy mirror. Yeah. Right. Glass darkly. And that's why I said and then face to face. Someday the fog will clear off the mirror and we'll see face to face. But he's talking about looking at everything and looking at himself and looking at everything through this lens that is this palindrome. There is a thing. Okay. It's it's 21, you know, it's 2112, right? It's it's it's there's a mirror image and I can't get past that. I can't get past just there's this mirror lens that I'm having to look at right now. But today is going to come. I'm going to see face to face and there what he's talking about is he's looking at Jesus to face to face and it transcends all time, all space, all matter. And his lens wouldn't be so subject to his myopic view. Yeah. Specifically time to. Specifically time. It's taking me back to being a kid when, remember, like maybe four years old watching Superman fly backwards around there. Hey, it's his backwards, you know, good. Can we do that? Can you? And is that how it works? Crack open the dial and turn it backwards. But thanks. Thanks for taking us back. Thank you. And forward and all in between Troy. It's always a rodeo with you. We got some adventures playing everyone. So to TBD, right? To be determined, we always we always trickle it out there and then somewhere in the future something crazy happens with some guests. So thanks, thanks for coming in. He'll be a time in a season, right? Yeah. That's right. It's a top-of-the-season buddy. All right. Thanks Troy. Let's go.