1053: The Georgia FBI Raid Was Just a Dry Run

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Do people not have jobs and families like I don't have time to to read a book, let alone send a 5000 different emails to 150 different people a day, along with text messages and then sexually harassed. But like it's just nobody has to make dinner for their kids. That's the limiting factor for you. hello everyone this is jvl here with my best friends sarah longwell and tim miller of the bulwark guys if you slept on the minneapolis live show last week uh it sold out very quickly and uh we're sorry about that but we're adding another show so we're going to do a second night in minneapolis the tickets will go on sale wednesday i believe go to thebulwark.com slash events. Maybe set yourself an alarm. I think they're going to go on sale at noon Eastern time. They did fully sell out in like five hours last time. So come and join us. Which we love. I'm hopeful that it's a lot of people outside of Minneapolis. Also wanted to go and support the community. That's awesome. It's great. And all profits from this going to Harvest Heartland. Fantastic local charity to help all the people in Minneapolis who are suffering with food insecurity. And we can't wait. We're super excited to be there and be with you guys. That's why we added a second night. We didn't want to miss anybody. I mean, I wish it was July, if I'm being honest. That's true. But, you know, this isn't all about me. I don't think, you know, it's kind of about the horrible interactions of the people in the community. I know. I know. You want to make it about me as much as possible. But I do think it's about the people that are putting their bodies on the line out in the streets. And so I can suffer the walk from the hotel to the Uber in whatever, negative 32 or whatever it is in Minneapolis in February. Okay. Since we were last together. But come. Everyone else come join us. It'll be great. I'll make a weekend out of it. Yes. Come. It'll be lovely. Justice Department released another three million files on Friday, of course, Friday afternoon, a news dump. And a whole just mishmash, again, designed to make it impenetrable to people. I have my own favorite part of this release. And I have to admit, it is a totally unimportant part. but it's just a JVL schadenfreude special. And so because it's not important, I will hold on to that towards the end of this segment. Oh, do share. Come on. No, just say it. Just say it. Good setup. Come on. Peter Attia. Oh, yeah. No, this is an important one. This one's great. Mere hours before this happened, Barry Weiss announced that she was bringing in an amazing group of consultants and contributors to make CBS News really relevant. People like Neil Ferguson, which is, I guess, how you reach new people. Nobody. And Peter Attia, who is, you know, just another longevity crank. And it turns out that he is mentioned, he appears 1,500 times in the Epstein files. I'm going to read here from a piece in The Hollywood Reporter. Just going to read one section. Another email thread between the two men from June 2015 carries the subject line, quote, got a fresh shipment and begins with Atiyah sending an email. Epstein replies, quote, me too, with a redacted photo. After an exchange about the photo, Atiyah writes, quote, you know, the biggest problem with becoming friends with you, the life you lead is so outrageous. And yet I can't tell a soul. Atiyah later posted a long apology for the emails with Epstein on X, saying in part and hear this quote. This is fucking amazing. This is a piece of art. I apologize and regret putting myself in a position where emails, some of them embarrassing, tasteless and indefensible, are now public. And that is on me. He regrets putting himself in a position where his emails could become public. That's what he regrets. Can I say my favorite part? Barry fought very hard to keep him. But then corporate pressure from CBS, even like the Ellisons were like, what the fuck are you doing? and he had to go culture cancel culture has come even at cbs news the woke cancel culture mob has i'm really disappointed in barry i thought she was a free speech absolutist but i guess not you know my favorite little anecdote on peter atia is in his own book something to watch out for anybody else here who might be looking at a book you know sometimes in a book in order to gain credibility you you write some things that you did wrong i did this a lot my editor was like hey take off the hair shirt i did i made a lot of mistakes happy to do it i didn't make this mistake though peter atia had mentioned in his book that his child his newborn child had to go to the back into the hospital like to the crisis crisis er in the hospital for days and he's so focused on his work that he couldn't go back and visit the child he felt guilt about that he wrote about that in the book and his wife was mad at him etc oh his wife his wife his wife was mad he wasn't there for the birth of his child the sleuths went back and found out what day the baby was born and matched it to the epstein files and he was having lunch with jeffrey epstein when the baby was in the and he wouldn't fly home to see his child because he's hanging out with jeff so that's an that's enough to have to move to i think you i think you don't just get kicked off cbs i think you have to go to to timbuktu after that i'm sad that he's not going to be able to bring his valuable insights to CBS's audience because the woke mob came for him. I had a different thought on Dr. Atiyah, who I don't know about at all. JBL, you say he is one of these hacker, like biohackers, longevity cranks. He's a doctor, yes? Look, there are plenty of doctors who are cranks. No, no, no. They're not all smarter than me just because they got into medical school and I didn't. That's why this was not meant to be a dig at you. this is meant to make a different point about why women maybe only want to have women doctors like this guy is in there because this is something in the Epstein files that I don't know if it hits you guys the way maybe it hits women but like the way men talk about women throughout these they refer to women as knee pads that's something that in some exchanges with Steve Bannon But this doctor in the exchanges said that a part of the female anatomy was low calorie as part of, you know, I guess a healthy diet. And and I year what was it, the ear, not the ear calorie. It was not the ear. It wasn't. It wasn't. But I think that this is where Barry, when you talk about cancel culture, cancel culture is really about like, should this person be in a position of public trust? Right. Is this a person where we should get medical advice or should be in a position to tell people what is good for them? And like, I would just say that, you know, women want doctors that they can trust. They want to believe that the doctors that they're working with, especially the men, see them as humans worthy of good health attention. And so to see a doctor sort of engage in this way is like an enormous breach of trust with people who are like patients or people who would listen to him as a medical expert. And so the way to think about this, if you're Barry Weiss, in my opinion, is has this person shown himself to be in his private life very much unworthy of public trust? His public life makes him unworthy of public trust, too. I mean, in fairness. Yes, that might be true. I just I just I get really irked by the idea that like everything is cancel culture when you seek accountability for people who are in positions of like a very specific kind of public trust. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to get us off track here for a second. I know we're going to do Epstein stuff. But there's another thing that has happened since we last together, which is that John Lemon was jailed. And I'm not, you know, I mean, the definition of cancel culture is a little elusive. You know, we spent years where somebody being critiqued harshly on the Internet. That was cancel culture and they were canceled. And that was a big crisis. And we actually criticize my Netflix special. We need Donald Trump to be president, actually. Right. To fix this, because the Netflix special got criticized so harshly. That was this horrid cancer of cancel culture. And now Donald Trump becomes president. and a political foe of his who's a journalist goes to prison because he he told his attorney general that his attorney general had to direct people to indict him and they tried multiple times until they found a grand jury that would do it they tried three or four different routes and and he had to spend the night in the clink and i don't i haven't heard a ton i don't know i could pull up the free press right now but i haven't heard a ton from the the cancel culture crowd of concerns about that. And for me, it seems like going to jail does feel like a little bit more of a serious cancellation than being criticized. So Tim, you and Bill had a show this week where you were talking about how the real populist nationalism has never been tried. And it turns out that everybody who was on the populist nationalist train was a fraud. It also is the case that everybody who was on the anti-woke train was also a fraud. Except Kathy. For them, it was all just about power. Except Kathy Young. It was all just about power. And as somebody who said as much during the height of this and said, this is bullshit. These people aren't really. They just want to own things. They want to be able to do the canceling. I was right. Always right. Just a quick update. I have pulled up the free press to see if there's any articles about Don Lemon. There is one, actually. And it's that freedom of the press won't protect him. Oh, okay. Crime of a crime. Well, there it is. I don't know. there you go there it is anyway peter tia basically dr spaceman that's what i have uh all right so you guys go and tell me what your favorite things were from the epstein files this time around i don't know that i could characterize anything as a favorite i have been uh i was pretty deep in them my team has been pulling stuff i've been sharing stuff online um and i you guys know i was kind of a i was late to the epstein files and then i became with the with the zeal of a convert the most engaged in the Epstein files right um in large part because when uh everybody was like Epstein didn't kill himself and I was like it felt like the regular kind of conspiracy stuff that was kind of in the ether at that point um and I just never like I I read what he did and was like I don't want to like that is awful and it was horrible and I'm glad he's gone and And like, I hope they get whoever was with him. But I didn't like engage in sort of the thing that I think animated the right with Cash Patel and Dan Mangino and that there were these files and that there's going to be all of these people. And they were like, the more that's come out, the more that everything that they complained about was absolutely true. Whether it was QAnon, whether it was, you know, whether it was all of these podcasters. It's not true. I have heard several lib podcasters throwing that out a little willy nilly. And I do just have to just chime in. The QAnon was not true. OK, it was directionally correct. No, not true. Actually, not really. I would encourage you to read some. I know. It was not directionally correct. You're right. That is glib and kind of a joke. The point is, is that the idea that there was a shadowy cabal of global elites who were engaging in pedophilia. Now, of course, this was all tied up and Hillary Clinton wearing like the masks of babies. And so because it was also insane, I kind of tuned it out, you know, and and I would hear this stuff come up in the focus groups with voters. And I was just like, oh, no, it's so bad. But it does turn out that there was a global cabal of elites who were, in fact, like involved in either. And this is where there's been no accountability yet. Right. Like whatever they're holding back, we do not have the co-conspirators yet, which is what you want. Right. There's what is in these documents is revelatory in many ways, but unsatisfying in others, because it does not give you the names except for maybe Prince Andrew. of people who were engaging with... Like definitely Prince Andrew. Yeah, right, definitely. But I mean, Prince Andrew might be the only one I could think of where there is both accountability that's happened and like a direct link to the same behavior as Jeffrey Epstein, which we have not gotten with the exception of, you know, there's these parts where like Trump's in there, but then the DOJ pulls them back because they're unconfirmed allegations. And so like, we're all trying to make heads or tails of this. And so I have been trying to think, like what is really contemptible in here in this this batch which many on the right are kind of poo-pooing they're like this is boring it's just a bunch of oh i've seen that a bunch of emails and i'm like sorry for partying sorry for partying that's right and so this is what you have you have todd blanche right now who by the way is who in donald trump's administration went and gave Ghislaine Maxwell, her sweetheart deal at Club Fed, he's on TV yesterday saying it's not a crime to party on Epstein's Island. And, you know, he's, I think, as a strict matter, perhaps correct, right? If you were partying there and you were not engaged in getting massages and having sex with underage girls who were trafficked and otherwise procured, like maybe there were lots of parties that that didn't happen in. Sure. There were clearly lots of business trips that happened, lots of dinners, lots of things. When you're a teenager, Sarah, at the local clubs in Philly, there'd be like 21 night and then the under 21 night. You know, sometimes on Epstein Isle, there's the pedophilia nights and sometimes there was the totally legal nights. I'm sure that's how it was. You say that, but like, actually, I think that's probably close to the truth, right? Like, I think there's lots of things that he did to be in the realm of all of these different elites. He had all these business dealings, all these interesting people parties, so-and-so's coming, this person's coming. My guess is that those are different than the people who he was like, you are here and we engage in the rape and trafficking of young girls. And I want all of those people to go to prison for the rest of their lives. That's one category of people. And that is not what we have gotten yet. What we got in this tranche, and part of the reason we don't have that is because of all the redactions in what is being released, right? There's a lot that we don't know. But in the back and forth, I can see sort of different categories coming up that I'd like to just run through with you guys. Because there are the people like Elon and like Lutnik, who are people who lied, actively lied about their relationship with Epstein. Like Elon is hanging himself right now. He's hanging his credibility on the idea that he never went to the island. Okay. Did he try to go? Did he ask for invitations to go? Did he ask when the wildest party was? When's the next wild party? I've been working so hard. I need to come. Well, Elon, that's not how you characterized your relationship. What Nick, who says, oh, I met him in 2007. What a creep he was. There's a massage table in the middle of the room and we got out of there and never talked again because I knew what a creep he was. Oh, it turns out you did talk to him again many, many times and visited. That's a different category than, so one person I've seen jumped on is Barry's wife, speaking of Barry, Nellie Bowles, for being in the files. Okay, but that's what she was doing is a category difference. And I just I do think you shouldn't lump everybody in together in kind of a social contagion way. I think we should be able to approach this with some nuance, where what she was doing is as a reporter, where her job, right, and when you are a reporter, and you write these profiles, you often go hang out with, like, weirdo people of public interest, And then you write about them, which she did for the New York Times and which she's been honest about. That is very different than people who went to like one of the interesting people dinner or who was in a. But I still want to say what I can I just I think they different people who are just in business relationships with him whatever What I sort of don understand and maybe you guys could explain to me is like it seems like he was being socially rehabilitated in a lot of ways post 20 his conviction And I guess you know that the part it like like there the Larry Summer stuff where it like all about the girls and asking for dating advice and being gross The Bannon stuff is outrageous. But like then there's this other category of stuff that's and I also think people who came out and said a long time ago, like, hey, I did this error in judgment or, you know, I shouldn't have. But like I wrote about it and here's what happened are different from the people who lied about it or characterize the relationships differently and are being disproved or being proven as liars now. Anyway, I lay all that out on the table. Interested in what you guys think. I have a thought of the rehabilitation because I think that's the most interesting part to me. It's obviously not necessarily the most important politically or for the victims. But I think it's an interesting cultural observation I want to talk about really quick, guys. I had two other things because you had a lot there. I just wanted to say, have you seen the Twitter account of all the ways that Candace Owens mispronounces things? No. I want one of those for Sarah and Jis Lane. Maxwell. Not to make fun of Sarah, but I just want to see like 22 different pronunciations of Gislaine Maxwell all back to back for my own entertainment sake. Here's why. You know who I talk about Gislaine Maxwell with all the time? JVL. JVL, how do you pronounce her name? Gislaine. Yeah, okay. If someone could make me a supercut, that would be great. It's a listener request. I'd like a supercut of everybody. I also agree with you on the co-conspirators I just want to make a really quick finer point on me this is a Donald Trump cover up until some co-conspirators are indicted period end of story that is the bar for me obviously other people molested girls besides Ghislaine and Jeffrey and formerly Prince Andrew like obvious I think it is oh no those are the only three Tim it is very hard for me to believe that those are the only three that ever inappropriately touched a woman in Jeffrey Epstein's presence and I would like to see some accountability for someone else and until that happens this is a cover-up um on the social contagion side of the rehabilitation I wish um I had the woman's name um and uh but but there is literally an email about this in the emails where like Jeffrey is talking to some other woman and she's like you got to take it slow getting back you know like re-entering society you know you got to do this a little bit at a time. You've got to use your judgment. And, and like, and she is, the woman is like advising him on how to like get back into high society by like having parties at your fancy house, but you know, not putting your name on things too quickly. And then you see it in the emails where like one of the, I think it was the Lutnick email. One of the ones where it was like, he wanted to give $50,000 that he knows that his name might carry some baggage. so you might not want to put it on you know it's a donation to some fucking you know thing that they were doing and in that case i think it was like whatever it's fine uh we put your name on it but um you know the like so he's conscious of all this but more than him being conscious of it you see in the emails a lot of the people are conscious of it right like i mean you just mentioned the atia email it's like i wish i could tell people about all the stuff you're doing you see like versions of that like throughout the emails and and so to me this is like there is an entire other category of people that are not pedophiles but that used very extremely poor judgment and hanging out with jeffrey epstein and it is i think the important thing for like at some level like we're not all at that level like i don't get invited to prince things you know or you know to Woody Allen dinners or like anything like that right but in all of our lives like there are little things where you're like people will reach out to you and be like hey so and so wants to contribute x amount to your thing or so and so wants you to come to this thing and you know people use their like power and influence and access to semi-famous or famous people to like manipulate other people and Jeffrey Epstein did this and I just think that like there is the human frailty on display here about how like how how weak everybody is and how like how badly everybody wants to hang out you know how it's all fucking high school how badly even the richest people in the world want to hang out with other rich people or people that have more social capital than them because they're actors or celebrities or whatever or princes or foreign arms dealers or all the other fucking crazy people i've seen was dealing with and it's just there just seem to be very few people that have like the self-esteem and confidence in themselves just be like no like sorry i don't know no this is a no for me like i don't need to hang out with you like yeah it seems it seems fishy and and just because whatever roman polanski is going to be there it doesn't mean that i can say no to this dinner that's a net negative like yeah right i No, that's what I'm saying. There's a handful of people like JVL has the gift of not going to go to any dinners. There's not a lot of people with JVL's makeup in the CEO, journalist, cabinet secretary, actor, banker class, right? Yeah, because they're all thirsty as fuck. Exactly. Exactly. So to get to that level, you have to be thirsty. But then that thirst becomes thirsty. I don't know. I'm going to pretty high level without being thirsty. That's not – I just – it's just having good judgment. look i gotta tell you this with these rich people this is because part of this is like rich people stuff like rich people are different than we are right and and when you're really really rich like everything sort of has an absolute value sign around it and you just live differently you move through the world differently you know it's like if i got really really rich this is not how i would structure my life but that's why you're not gonna get really really rich that's my point that's not that's not the accident you might be but like most people get really rich get there because they do the networking fucking thirsty back rubbing thing like it's in their dna and and that is bad it's like i just so i just i totally agree with you sir i just think it's important for like as a society that we disaggregate like the bad pedophilia ring thing which is like really bad and all those people need to go to jail for life but then there's still this other thing which is the elite you know scratch your back culture that is is i don't know maybe that's not fixable i'm not sure but we should at least stare at it we should stare at it and also but i also think like stare at it in part to sort of separate things out like i just am thinking about how because it is sort of a magnificent thing to watch Jeffrey Epstein say like so and so is gonna be here as like bait and this is like the kind of thing where people credential you and so like if somebody invited me to a party and I didn't know who the person was but I knew they were like kind of rich kind of famous they were like well Tim's gonna be there and I'd be like okay well if Tim's going I'll go um now you're right like I'm not saying I would go like right I think it's different because because his level of notoriety at the like transcends that right like obviously no but this chain happened over the years is your point like like immediately gets out of jail and he's got to move slowly and so it's like you find the easiest fish you know you find the woody allens the bill gates the larry thump summers the trump the thirstiest people you know and you're like we'll find you first okay and then eventually it's like oh hey we'll we'll start mixing and matching the dinners you know we'll have the people that are that don't give a fuck that i'm a pedo and maybe want to get involved with themselves and then we'll invite some other people as well and use them to you know like that's what credential that it's like fine to come and all i'm saying is that to me is such an interesting phenomenon of how this worked um and how you can see uh without letting anyone off the hook but like you can see how by like 2015, 2016, people are like, I don't know. 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I just, it seems unlikely. Anyway. But, you know, we have the FBI raiding an election center in Georgia, kind of a swing state. We had Pam Bondi saying that she would call off the DHS dogs from Minneapolis if the governor would simply turn over the state's voter rolls. We have Donald Trump hopping on a phone call with the agents who did the raid in Georgia. We have the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, showing up. At the raid. So the DNI is not doing like the invasion of Venezuela, but is instead spending her time looking at election related activity. I mean, I'm sorry, this is all highly irregular. and I understand it's like too soon to light your hair on fire, but it does suggest that these are people who are interested in seeing what they could possibly do. I don't think it's too soon to light your hair on fire. I don't think it's too soon either. Okay. It might be too soon to say like, we won't have a free election in 2026. I think it's too soon to say that we're never going to have an election again or like some of this catastrophizing you here, but like it still is a hair on fire. I mean, I talked about this, the raid in Atlanta before I knew about the call, right? The call is such, it's so bonkers. I mean, like the FBI is raiding a warehouse where they keep ballots for 2020 based on like insane cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs conspiracy theories about Italian satellites and Venezuelans and like totally, total lunacy. even though the republican governor and secretary of state and multiple courts have already vetted all these claims even though rudio giuliani has already lost his shirt in a civil suit based on these claims to ruby freeman and shay moss and and yet still somehow they rationalize the fbi rating the ballots the director of national intelligence is there and then while she's there she like calls up donald the president and is like hey what's up and he just wants to give a little pep talk to the raiders like i mean this is so far from like it's almost like you're calling it politicization is like it's donald trump is like directing yes rank-and-file fbi agents in their efforts to like falsify documents to make it seem like his conspiracies about the last election are true in order to provide a pretext for fucking with the next election like that's what's happening which he then said he wanted to nationalize voting in 15 states uh which again sarah i want you to answer this the 15 states thing was interesting to me because trump gets stuff caught in his head like asylum you know what i mean like oh he broke out of the the you know he talks about that with um uh who was it that break the broke out of the crazy house the late great hannibal lector you know it's like oh he's like i hear asylum makes it makes me think about like crazy house right people are breaking out of the crazy house like he gets random things caught in his head the idea that he was like we're looking at 15 places says to me that somebody told him that they were looking at 15 places like he didn't just make that number out of the out of the air yeah which 15 places maybe they're all the swingier states uh or the places where there are key races. I want to talk about why this nationalized thing is a real turn. So I have long been somebody who has been certain that Trump would try to do some things in 2026, but pretty unwilling to say, like, we should be really skeptical we can have free and fair elections. And the reason is that federalism, like federalism is the reason, is that it's actually very hard to mess with an election system. Like, it's one of the great geniuses, one of the things that in my old conservative days, we loved federalism because the states had power. And I have felt like federalism is the thing that was going to protect us as Donald Trump sought to do anything to mess with these elections. Like, the states aren't going to let him screw around with their elections. Here's how he's going to do it. Like, he told us. Now we realize federalism can save us if Donald Trump figures out a way to convince people to nationalize the elections. Now, the other thing, and Tim, you just talked about this, that I think it's the reason we should have our hair on fire, is because I assumed, and I don't know if you did too, that the raid in Georgia, in Fulton County, was a backward looking. that Donald Trump's trying to say to people, no, no, no, I won Georgia, which I was like, okay, bro, tell people that. You still lost Pennsylvania and Michigan. You still lost all these other places. Changing the results in Michigan actually wouldn't change the results of the election, even if you somehow could prove it, which of course you can't because it's been litigated to death. And so I thought it was more like Tulsi Gabbard trying to get in his good graces after being sidelined on her real job and saying like, oh, I'm going to go find that fraud for you, sir. But now it is clear that it's forward-looking. It's forward-looking. Both the stuff happening in Minneapolis, the stuff happening in Georgia, this is about them trying to, they are, I think, in real time, trying to formulate a plan for what to do about 2026. Because Donald Trump only has one animating goal, which is he does not want oversight. He doesn't want oversight. He doesn't want them to control any investigations, any impeachments, anything that leads to disclosure, anything that gets whatever the redacted files that are being held back unredacted. Right. And so he is going to be pretty desperate, which I've that part I've always been clear on. But it's been sort of unclear to me how he could do it. And this is how. I mean, it's still unclear that he can nationalize them, but that's how he's going to try. Right. He does have a federal paramilitary force that answers only to him that has a budget larger than the United States Marines. I mean, this is a big bill has been on about this, and I think he's he's right to be. You know, I don't know. Like, it is not clear that he can't deploy them into places where he wants to exert pressure to prevent people from voting. Right. That's true. But then you'd have Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro and a bunch of other states being like, you can't deploy them here. and like we're going to deploy people to protect uh and maybe that creates more chaos i'm just saying it's not gretchen whitmore would do that i do well but gavin newsome will i mean a lot of the house seats are in blue states right so this is like the other side of where i do see i i do want to like you you can have your hair on fire without catastrophizing that's the distinction i'm trying to make you know yes and like there's a lot to be very concerned about here i i don't No, there's not really a way to cheat and win the house for them besides like literally stealing the election. All these like sort of things that they try to do you know we going to take some voting machines out of blue areas or we going to put some scary military guys in front of the ballot box I mean like they would have to literally seize the boxes They're going to lose the House. They have a two seat majority right now. So they will lose control of the House, but they could shave away some seats from the Democratic majority. There are marginal races where they could go in and monkey with those. Maybe. You'd have to show me which one those are. Yeah, and you have to have a speaker. And if you have the speaker, the point is that he doesn't want oversight, right? And so it's like if the Democrats have the Speaker of the House, then they're going to have oversight. They're going to control the committees. They're going to control the oversight committees. And a lot of these key races are in blue, blue states. And Kathy Hochul is not going to back down. Gavin's not going to back down, et cetera. So I just don't – like this was why the redistricting gambit was so important. like they needed a cushion and they lost their cushion and that failed and so you know you do have to give kudos to gavin on that and and and the others at swanberger and others have stepped up um so like i you know that part of it is like less of a concern for me than okay than this notion of all right well once that sunk in with him on his in his little dementia rattled brain with the little flies flying around up there like what then right and and do you use that paramilitary force for other stuff do you try to delegitimize the election some other way right and like do you have mike johnson not do you have a constitutional standoff or mike johnson refuses to seat people like all of that they're all those categories um and that's where i do think that the the gap is going to really matter because you've seen them do this in other places right where like they're going to try to steal it and then all of a sudden they get killed and then it's like okay you know i mean you notice that who was the guy that ran against shapiro you know he was planning on uh doug master he was planning on challenging until he lost by 1100 points and then i was like okay well i guess i'm not going to do that you know what i mean and so i there's there's some practicalities but the senate's important right i mean flip the senate you have to win in a bunch of red states. And so. So and that's where they could try to do to do shenanigans. Right. This is what I'm saying. Right. Well, it's a it's all very bad. My my other conspiracy theory in this, I sort of I try this out on Sarah on Friday. Let me try it out on you, Tim. OK. Oh, I like this one. Nicolas Maduro is the October surprise. Nicolas Maduro turned states evidence says, yes, The ghost of Hugo Chavez and I did steal the 2020 election. And I have evidence for you, El Presidente. And my evidence suggests that these 15 counties are the places where we were. And so you need to go in and do something to them. There's like an emergency. Well, we can't. Yeah. The voting machines are contaminated. Fill in the blank. Yeah. What do you think? What do you think? I was very enamored with that theory initially because we all are grasping around for like, why did we do a coup in Venezuela? Even still, it's like, I get it. Like Marco has his ideological priors on this. For Marco, it's Cuba. Yeah, right. Separate Venezuela from Cuba. And that's the next step, right? Okay, so that's a reason. Oil prices, I gasp. Like the oil CEOs didn't really seem that excited about Venezuela, I won't say. and it doesn't seem like trump's getting any deal like he's making a lot of money some other places we're going to talk to talk about in a sec and so and you know the drug thing i don't know like there was no like real sad there are a couple reasons that seemed fine in the crazy world that we're in but like there's nothing that was like deeply satisfying this is deeply satisfying the trump's like yes i'm on board because because i believe or that the venezuela is part of it or because I believe that I can use this as leverage in this quest to demonstrate that I actually want. Why wouldn't he say to Maduro what he said to Zelensky? Yeah. Remember? Yeah. But the thing is, he was asked about this in one of his little gaggles. And I don't know. He got kind of like a little troublemaking glimmer in his eye. He was like, I got maybe some people around me that are going to look into that, but not me. I don't know. I became a little bit less excited about the theory when I watched him answer the question. And we're all doing armchair psychology here a little bit on a fucking megalomaniac. So you can only do so much of that, but I don't know. I'm open to it. I will say, I'll tell you that. Okay. I'm open. Okay. I got something very fun for us, but you guys got to sit through an ad first. Sarah. All right, guys, this episode is brought to you by one skin. We've talked before about why one skin really stands out as a skincare company. It's not hype or just fancy packaging. It's real science. The founding team are longevity researchers who asked a deceptively simple question. 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That's 15% off oneskin.co with code THENEXLEVEL. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. Thanks, OneSkin. All right, Sarah, I have some candy for you. Tim, you already know this. I read to you from The Guardian. A right wing Brazilian influencer who claimed Donald Trump's immigration crackdown targeted only, quote, crooks, has been arrested by ICE agents in New Jersey. Junior Pena, whose full name is Eustaquio de Silva Pena Jr., declared his support for the U.S. president in recent video messages to his hundreds of thousands of social media followers. Quote, I support Donald Trump. I like the guy, announced the South American TikToker and Instagrammer dot dot dot. In a previous video, Pena had urged Brazilians to stay calm and not, quote, despair after reports that ICE agents were rounding up migrants, including Brazilians. But they're all crooks, the lot of them. He falsely claimed of the migrants being seized. Mr. Pena missed a court hearing because he's also of uncertain immigration status and was wrapped up by ICE. So is he a crook? I mean, he didn't go to his court appearance. Well, sounds like enough. I mean, he's a scam artist, so that's something. there's some crying photos of him on the internet are they real crying photos or are they are they doctored crying photos do i have to know does it matter because i can't take pleasure from them if they're doctored i can't take but i'm not sure what that says about me that says something real to me it seems like he's crying and i don't hate it i think we can distinguish and should distinguish between regular people who voted for trump who are suffering negative consequences because they thought things versus somebody who is an influencer with hundreds of thousands of fans who constantly advocates for Trump has been one of the main reasons or has been a like that person's in a different category also though I would like to say in what way are we supposed to distinguish I'm just just for clarity or we're supposed to be not kind of just happy about you can take pleasure in one but we shouldn't take pleasure for the other yeah I think we can take pleasure in this one slash take pleasure i think like he there are real consequences that he has to live with he is he was actively making the bed uh in ways that i don't know voters maybe plumped a pillow i if i'm extending the metaphor like i just uh the the difference is when we get all stove touchy happy i separate people like this guy who's we okay uh so then dealer's choice i'm i i just god i want I want more, though. I need, I want him to be a streamer. I want live streaming from inside the facility. I want to be with him on his journey back to Brazil. You should invite him on the show. You are. He's welcome on the show. That would be. See you later. You know who else? Can we just have a brief talk about who else? I get bad thoughts across my mind sometimes, as you guys know. And one that I was not aware of was that Nicki Minaj is not a citizen. Do you know that? No. I also didn't. Wait. No, she's British. I just assumed she was from Jersey. Born in Trinidad and Tobago. She's a Trinidad and Toboggan. And I hear nice things about Trinidad and Tobago. And I don't know, maybe in 2029, she might have to go back there. I just think that we are going to have to review some of the public figures. And, you know, if there has to be a little, some denaturalization, you know, if you're not contributing positively to society. Elon. Yeah, Elon, Melania. Speaking of starships. We don't speak enough. Ah, look at that, Tim. You see what I did there? I missed it. I was focused on Melania not speaking English. So, yeah, I think some denaturalization might be in order. Something to think about. Yeah, Bad Bunny, Citizen, actually. Nicki Minaj, not. Hey, do you know Nicki Minaj also has, like, a felon spouse and child and that that is why she is. And so all these like Republican influencers are hanging out with her. She's just looking for a pardon. Just like this guy, this influencer guy, the chances of Trump saying, let that guy go. He's a fan of mine. Not insignificant. And just like SBF, SBF posted. I don't know how, why can these people post from prison? We shouldn't be allowing posting from prison. I don't think. Maybe that's wrong. Wouldn't that be cruel and unusual punishment for in modern, in 2026 America, I feel like not being allowed to post it is like denying somebody magazines or, you know, a toilet. Maybe. Well, Jeffy S is posting and he posted a too long, didn't read explanation because he's got a lot of time on his hands in jail about why he became more Republican in 2022. And it's like, OK, well, well, you can't we can answer that. There are two reasons. It's number one, you want the pardon. But number two, more importantly, you felt a cultural affinity with your fellow scam artists. If it does make sense, so once you start fucking over regular people in order to enrich yourself, you start to look at Trump and being like, you know, I like the cut of that guy's jib. That's not all of it, though. This is everybody now who has done a bad thing and found themselves on the outs culturally, rediscovers or suddenly discovers that they're Republicans because they know that Republicans are just cool with rampant corruption. Right. If you're there's a there's some journalists who have been, you know, done very bad things that go get rehabilitated on the right. And they go find these, you know, your Russell Brands and all this other journalist in mind. Anybody you want to mention? I do have a journalist in mind. Did he put his penis on someone's shoulder? Was that who you're thinking of? Or were you thinking of someone else? I don't do that. Does his name rhyme with Hark Melperin? yeah i mean it was alleged alleged there's an allegation that was the allegation i didn't know that one penis shouldering i was i was an alleg i can't confirm i don't i don't want to go to who lives like this who lives like i'm sorry between this you never just like walk into a hotel room see a beautiful woman sitting there in a chair and just like whip it out and drop it on her shoulder do people not have jobs and families like i don't have time to to read a book let alone send to 5,000 different emails to 150 different people a day, along with text messages and then sexually harassed. Like, it's just... Nobody has to make dinner for their kids. That's the limiting factor for you doing a penis shouldering. You don't have enough hours in the day. Who has the time? Who has the time? I mean, it probably took five minutes. That's pretty quick. I don't think that was the issue. So you've been trying to change time. I've been trying to transition for five minutes because we're coming up on an hour. and you we we still have another sponsor to hear from and we need to decide are we going to talk about impeachment or do you guys want to do triad talk i want to do both but i definitely want to do impeachment i want to do both let's start with impeachment let's see how long this takes proposed it would be terrible for democrats should they control the house and or senate in 2027 to attempt to impeach Donald Trump because that would only look like overreach and would turn voters in Trump's direction. Not saying I'm just proposing. I'm going to be serious about this because I hate this. I hate what I'm about to do. I hate what I'm about to say. But I basically agreed with that proposal a couple months ago. I was of the view that impeaching him is pointless. They did it twice. It didn't matter. And if anything, if it matters at all politically, maybe there's some impact where regular voters think Democrats don't actually care about helping me. All they care about is going after Donald Trump. I don't think those arguments are crazy. Maybe Sarah will make some of them. But I hate to say this. I've been, I think George is right. George Conway, I think is right. And you know that pains me. I know that paints Sarah maybe especially to hear that. But he was on my pod a couple weeks ago, and he was like, he's like, it doesn't have to do with politics. It has to do with the law. And he's broken the law, and we should impeach him. We shouldn't do triple bank shot thinking about what the political impact will be. And I was thinking about that, and I was thinking about all the news over the last week of the Wall Street Journal story. How about the World Liberty Financial thing, right? Yeah, the UAE put half a billion into his company. And nobody even noticed that story. It's just gone. The UAE is committing war crimes in Sudan right now. I know that Sudan talk doesn't make it to the top of the news these days because of all the problems elsewhere in the world. But UAE is committing war crimes in Sudan. It's a Sharia law country. It's an autocrat. They're selling the chips to China. They gave a half a billion to the Trump family, a half a billion dollar investment to the president's family. that's totally insane and we need to learn more and and by the way we should still learn more about jared's money that he got from from saudi and i don't know how to do that i don't know what other vehicle to do that under than impeachment and i and i and i'm like starting to totally become a resistance-pilled lunatic who thinks that we should not only impeach him once i just let's fucking impeach him 12 times how many committees are there let's have every committee impeach him in every area of jurisdiction and fuck it impeach him 12 times fuck it that's kind of where i'm starting to get there i'm not there yet but that's what i'm starting to get and i just wanted to throw that so i will before i allow sarah to to rebut i will say that part of george's point which is the thing that i've been saying since the three of us began talking about this a year ago was that if he commits crimes and you don't impeach him, then it means it's even harder to impeach a future president who commits the same crimes. It's a perfectly valid argument. It's a perfectly valid argument. I think, look, can I just, I'm going to exercise one quick detour privilege. One is there are, what you want in a pundit or sense makers or people who are talking to you about politics like us, is not that they never change their mind or stay committed to a position, especially when it comes to strategy. You want to find people who are rooted in certain values, and those values don't change. But it is okay, Tim, or for me, because I'm also, I have been against the idea of impeaching him for very obvious reasons, which is that, like, we've learned some lessons over the years. And that is that it engenders a rally around Trump effect, and often becomes a tribal morass in which people cannot filter the information and everybody retreats to their sides and it doesn't always lend itself to good political and or actual outcomes, right? Like, can you get him removed? If we think not, then is it an exercise in futility that only serves the rally around Trump effect, right? We have to be able to evaluate that. And I think that impeaching Trump immediately on tariffs or on which he should be impeached on tariffs. Like that is the power of the person. Like he's breaking the law right now. He's like they're ignoring like Christine home should be impeached. DHS is just right. We did this last week. I should have started that. By the way, I was on the no and Sarah was on the yes side. And I was on the yes. Explore the other different evidence. So my only response to Tim is not to say that I definitely agree or that I definitely disagree Because I both agree with what George is saying like but i i don i uncertain if we already crossed the rubicon on impeachment being and like not a solution like they impeach him can they remove him would they have the votes for that i mean some of it depends on the election some of it depends on public support like there's if you told me but we even want him to be removed I guess. It's like, oh, great. J.D. Vance is... Yes, no, I would. I would want him removed. I mean, even if it meant J.D. Vance. Because if you're going to impeach him on the grounds that if you don't impeach, you are ignored, just basically you've decided to ignore the lawbreaking, well, then you need to impeach and remove him, right, if you're going to take it seriously. If you're not going to be able to remove him, though, and if public opinion is still at 40%, like, there are conditions in which I would say as a strategic matter, I don't see how this is going to serve a purpose. On the other hand, if public opinion's at 28% and the Supreme Court has started to show signs of understanding that it has to follow the law and not Trump, and Democrats take both the Senate and the House, and Republicans are starting to freak out after the midterms because they take such a... uh, such a, uh, shellacking is the Obama term, right? Like, well, then the conditions maybe do lend itself to it. So I'm not that, that, that is, that's how I look at it right now. Okay. I'm with you. I just want every, either way, as we continue to evolve, all I want is I want every fucking email and every text that Don Jr. and Eric and Jared have ever sent to a mullah or a sheikh or a leader of any Middle Eastern oil fascist regime. I want every contract they've ever had. And if we don't have to do that through impeachment, if there are other avenues of oversight, subpoenas, that's fine. But they've got to do this. And that is not going to be a popular, like, ooh, that's not a kitchen table issue. Nobody really cares about what the sheikh is doing in the UAE. But I refuse. We cannot let it go. I refuse to let it go. Look, I agree with that. I just, again, or not again, this is a different matter. When I saw that we had the Signal Gate, Jeffrey Goldberg was on Signal. These guys aren't, I was thinking about this with the Epstein emails. No one's communicating on email anymore. Like post 2020, like 2020 people were texting. Can we not get the Signal servers? Is that not possible? No. What if we take back over the White House? Can we do that then? No, it's not technically feasible because it's encrypted on the ends. You have to physically hold the person's phone. You won't be able to do it. And so I just I think that this is one of the one of the things just to know as a matter of course, that the corruption that is taking place right now and when the because they used to have to like these these Republicans aren't following any of the documentation laws. All the all the document preservation rules of which there are a million. If you work in Trump uses his personal phone, they're doing war plans on signal. They're doing everything. It's like the hatchet. It's like these things no longer exist. They stopped doing it. This is this is just. And there's no consequences, Sarah. I know. And there should be. And there should be. But I just that is a it's a it's a thing that I've been thinking about that's going to make all of this a lot harder. All right. Our show is brought to you by Green Chef. Are you annoyed with misleading healthy meals? Tired of locking in for another New Year's trend? 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I would say I touched them and maybe, you know, this is the thing. Was it a bad touch? It was a bad touch, I think. I write for my audience, but I don't write to the audience. You know what I'm saying? and uh in my community that has grown up around the triad like i'm just gonna you know i'm giving them me i'm not playing to to their biases and so i said you know look let's take it this idea of should libs be arming themselves and organizing let's take that that seriously is that a thing that people should be doing say in and around minneapolis i sort of walked that around the around the block and uh and people people were pretty into it not like overwhelming but i would say more than 50 percent of of people seemed to think this is an idea worth considering they were seriously people are intrigued arming themselves armed militia resistance that was intriguing what was the other suggestion part two was that actually the the armed armed militia thing is is the wrong lens for this struggle and the correct lens is like civil rights and that this this should be like really a christian jesus kind of thing in the way that the civil rights struggle was uh and uh and i went through the sermon on the mount and talked about how the the parallels with minneapolis with the beatitudes are like stunning and they map almost precisely onto it You know, the peacemakers, those who thirst for justice, et cetera, et cetera. How do people feel about that, the Beatitude path? Boy, boy, in the comments, all very respectful, I would say. It's a very respectful conversation. It's not, but not into it. People not into it. Want no part of what would Jesus do in Minneapolis? So the WWJD, a little less resonant than let's arm ourselves and get ready for the Civil War. Yes. JVL, what's it like to be me? Is what I want to know. Because this is, to me, this is what happens when maximalist JVL says, we got to go do this. And then, you know, slightly more moderate Sarah suggests, I don't know, perhaps we ought not do that same thing. nor we ought not wish horrible things on these people, whatever. And everybody yells at me. And so, you know, I, and they say JVL is right. JVL is right. JVL, here's the thing. I know this, that inside JVL is two wolves. There's a good wolf and a bad wolf. And people want bad JVL. They don't want the good JVL that I know and love. Do they want this JVL? JVL. I gotta tell you, I guess I'm out of touch with the Triad audience because I was the opposite, which I'm happy to talk about this. I saw the arm resistance thing and it made me uncomfortable. I think that there is an element of it that I'm sure feels good. I think that fundamentally, who am I to tell people what they should do to protect themselves? i think that as a technocratic moderate myself if you just kind of look at the data somebody that is not a trained marksman going out and purchasing a gun it's much more likely to kill themselves or a loved one than they are to kill an intruder um and so doesn't seem like the best best move for everybody to me i don't think a civil war would end particularly great for everybody in the country i'm not sure that we're really there yet i think that there are a few other paths that we should consider i think that if we learned anything from the alex preddy killing it's that the second amendment bozos are full of shit and that if you did decide to decide to use your free speech bozos yeah exactly if you did decide to use your weapon to fight tyranny um to tyrannical government along your side your neighbors i don't think the people with the pocket constitutions would be coming to your defense on that one for the most part And so I just, I don't think we're there yet. I guess what we're saying. I think we're a ways away. And then on the other hand, I opened up today's. It was like the Beatitudes. I haven't read the Beatitudes in a minute. I do have to say it's been a minute. I'm familiar with all of them. It was the reading this Sunday. Yeah, exactly. It was this Sunday's gospel. Yeah. Well, I just revealed that my parents who are visiting, they went to mass with their granddaughter, but not with me. Sure. No worries. And so I missed that, but I was rereading them and I always like to be attitudes and you're, you are correct. Spot on. Every beatitude sounds like a good piece of advice to me. Good guidance, good spiritual guidance and moral guidance. And it is somewhat validating to know that the current president of the United States and his minions are a total affront to the core teachings of Jesus. us and um and and i think that you know that's probably a better approach for now but um my readers not in agreement teach their own yeah i guess i guess i would say the the the point i was making in the militia thing was not about home defense because i i agree like for rivers of home defense. Like, that's not the point. The point is when out in the street in force, history suggests that armed agents of the state are on their best behavior when they are actually threatened and they are at their worst behavior when they can claim imaginary threats. And so that is when, you know, when, when it is, uh, Renee good in her car, they can say, Oh, well, I mean, I was afraid for my life. I had to shoot her three times. But when there are like 2,000 people at the Bundy standoff, as we had in 2014, and they have snipers positioned on an overpass, all of a sudden, the federal officers there get very, like, all of a sudden, this comply and don't die, that shit goes out the window. That's just the reality. By the way, interestingly enough, did you see the Atlantic piece about Eamon Bundy? I loved that piece. Did you see this, Sarah? I got to tell you, because it's just, I'm a sucker for these. It's just like we're in the desert. I feel like there's a four as farmers. You just want to find one person who believes what they say. I just want to find one fucking person who believes what they say, you know? And Eamon Bundy, a libertarian. You know, it's just like Joe Rogan. I was so pissed at Joe Rogan these last two weeks. who's like on the side of the ice agents. I was like, I thought that you were a libertarian. Don't tread on me. The government state of the government. It's like, there's not, not a single one besides Thomas Massey believes any of this shit. And there's Eamon Bundy out there going, you know what? I don't think Jack booted thugs should be hassling immigrants that aren't committing any crimes. I'm like, thank you. Eamon Bundy. Turns out I'm an Eamon Bundy man, I guess. So I was, I liked it. It was a great piece. Sarah, this is Eamon Bundy is one of the kids of Clive and Bundy from the the Bundy standoff and he, he holds all of the right wing views. Like, you know, gays are bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all that stuff. But he believes a little bit. I think he's not even really into borders. Like he thinks like the border stuff is like, like there should be no borders because he's a libertarian. And he thinks the ice stuff is insane in that like there ought to be militias opposing them. And he's basically being unpersoned within. And that whole world. Because all those freedom fighters. He's lonely. Right. All those freedom fighters, it turns out, really want the government thugs. They just want the government thugs to hurt the bad people. Well, that sounds nice. Okay. I do think the extent to which we are swimming in. You know who? I think we all believe what we say. like the extent to which so few Republicans in this moment like I even think that the reason Joe Rogan like Joe Rogan became so right wing coded that he's probably getting a little audience captured from the right like he his default is to speak out against it and then he's getting yelled at so much by his audience who unlike JVL when he gets yelled at he just keeps like I'll do more I'll punish shoe uh he's like changing his tune because it's easier that i because we believe what we say that's why i'm so thirsting for others you know you're just looking for human connection in this world you want to be i'm not i'm sorry i'm off there it's over you don't want a connection oh yeah no i can't follow you on wanting human connection i would like to see people having integrity and not just running around doing play acting because i think play acting is dangerous yeah well then let's we should just do a quick shout out i've been thinking about this too Massey and Ro Khanna deserve a lot of credit for the fact that these files have seen the light of day. They fought really hard for it and Massey's getting, I disagree with Massey on all kinds of things, but he never let up on this. And he is getting on person, he's getting primary, Trump's going after his wife on Truth Social. This nasty post about his wife this morning, just disgusting. Maybe he should switch parties. Or just be a libertarian. That would be fine. We could use a third another party in Congress. Just be a libertarian and caucus the Dems. Don't switch. This is the thing where I just like I stop. I don't understand why. Why be a member of the gang that's trying to stomp you out? That seems crazy to me. Yeah. I mean, I do think I think I guess my answer in this case with Thomas Massey, because he's not like one of these other ones who's like kind of moderate. He has really strong views on he's not going to vote for the budgets that the democrats are going to put forth and stuff and so i look at the way we could caucus the way that the democrats like democratic caucus treats like people that step out in various ways it's not exactly a welcoming environment john fetterman gets to do what john fetterman wants no one's stopping him joe manchin got to do whatever he wanted to joe manchin well he got shit but he also was given the power to write the entire Biden agenda. Right. I mean, it wasn't he was, you know, maybe maybe people were mean to him on TikTok. But in terms of like his actual that's fair, what he was allowed to do, he was allowed to do whatever the fuck. I think this pitch makes much more sense for either like a Susan Collins who could be another independent remain or or what's her name? Lisa Murkowski. Brian Fitzpatrick. It is. Massey would agree with Democrats on. Epstein and nothing else. He would agree with it. Look, Democrats wouldn't be threatening him, right? They wouldn't be coming after his wife. That's the thing I'm getting at, right? You know, he would not have to worry that Democratic voters would be like out for his blood. Yeah. All right. Good show. What a show. Long show. What an incredible show we have had. We will be in Minneapolis two weeks from now. 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