Kyle Richards Can't Help Herself (RHOBH Full Recap)

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So that tells me it's probably like eight, nine or ten perhaps. I don't know what's going on. I really have no idea what's going on. They still have a trip in the works. They're going to Italy at some point. Oh, right. That's probably the end of the season. That'll be the end of the season. So they'll come back from the Hamptons, have like two episodes in Beverly Hills, go to Italy, come back for one episode and be done. Sure. Although they've been ending on trips recently, so who the hell knows. Yeah. As here's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be a day. Oh man, it's eight o'clock. And so that'll make it a ****. I don't need this spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma and yes, I am a bitch. Brav bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav bros, your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, steel rossled. Join us always by the one and only Hampton Goots. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. We've got more to read and PK talk lined up for us. It's getting redundant at this point. What's the same thing? We're doing this. The last three episodes have been the same. There's no Amanda in this episode, which is a pleasant surprise. Yeah, it was nice. But aside from that, I mean, have we really done anything else? No, this was the first one because I've enjoyed it the last few weeks. This is the first episode in probably a month, so credit to them where I was like, all right, this is kind of boring. There's not really a lot happening. And you see some shenanigans trickle out of the woodwork that we haven't been dealing with lately from Kyle Richards, which I did not care for. And I'll save it for when we get to those moments. But yeah, I think they needed to get the group back together last week. Are this week? I don't think we needed another split episode. I think it's time to get the gang back together. When you're too apart for too long. Now I don't remember any of the storylines and amidst the group. I don't think there were any storylines. No, because it's Beverly Hills, but... Yeah, that's a really good point. Like I think that I think the idea of isolating Duret and Kyle with Rachel on the East Coast made a lot of sense with them. And finally, just not even like squash all their shit, it's just so they can have fun together. And that's it, which I actually credit whoever's idea that was. I don't know if I want to credit Rachel or producers or whatever it may have been. Whoever did that, good. Let them just go have fun. But at some point, Push is going to come to shove. Kyle's going to get back involved and start talking about Duret and all the things that she wishes that she was doing. And it's just kind of fall back into place. But I do think when we removed them from the group, that is kind of what we were talking about. Yeah, throw Amanda into the mix. The rest of it was nothing really. I mean, that's what we got out of this episode, which was... It was a really powerful scene too from Erica again. She's definitely... She's doing a great job this season. She's sharing so much about her life. She's doing so much as far as growth and showing us who she is now and what she's come through. And like, that's all well and good and that's great. But in terms of what the cast is doing together, there's not a lot outside of Duret and PK with Kyle and Mo popping up randomly and then just kind of focusing on the newbies. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, let's just jump into this one and pick apart what we can. We start with the Hampton crew and Duret's FaceTiming are kids. Then we get PK. We get to see him on the FaceTiming, which he probably asked for money for that little appearance. I would have liked to disclaimer something when we started the episode. Just like, you have to say, oh, you're going to see Ugly Old Dude. Just like blur him out because the high-wish thing was so much funnier. I would have loved the thing. We know who it is and blur him out and then put like a voice changer on him or something. Or a puke car. I would have been great, honestly. That would have made me just enjoy this episode. I wouldn't have cared what happened after that. Yeah, that's a really good point. But it just sets the stage for obviously we know what's going on between those two and it's still extremely contentious. Of course, as Duret's been saying, the kids don't need to know. It's like, no shit, dude. Yeah. Of course, they don't need to know. Good on you for keeping it together in front of the kids in front of PK. I applaud you for that. But yeah, I know. You know, we know. We all know. I know. Yeah. Rachel's hung over his balls and she's trying to get her shit together and the only thing that's going to do that is a little little retail therapy. Get out there and get shopping ladies. Giles wearing a Zara dress. Yeah. And Rachel says Zara rocks. Big points for Zara. Huge. Zara just designed the rankings. It's funny too because I noticed when they do go shopping, these aren't the stores that I'm used to watching the Beverly Hills gang. Yes, too. Like to reach shopping, I'm expecting that price to be so much higher than it was. They did her dirty. We'll get into that in a couple of minutes. But the rest of it, I'm like, oh, this isn't really that expensive. You guys are shopping at some pretty low-end boutiques. She can get out there and go get some fucking designer stuff. Low-end boutiques in the Hamptons. Yeah, sure. But I mean, that's a good point just in the amount of money spent. First of all, the reads carrying around a $28,000 handbag. Okay. And she drops $4,500 at the store. Okay. Why on earth? And this is what I was talking about earlier. We go over to the other store because Kyle and Rachel go over to the jewelry store to wait for the read. Kyle goes over there and now she's got all kinds of opinions about what the read's spending. Yeah. Now she has all kinds of things to say about. She's like, I don't know. It's not your fucking business, dude. You're not even friends with her. Yeah. I mean, that's the big takeaway. And like, yes, you can read into this if you don't know who these people are and say, yeah, maybe Kyle has a point and she says a couple things later when it comes to the relationship and what the read's talking about with PK. Where Kyle is making points and they're are like, they make sense. But why is Kyle the one saying these things? Like, why would you want, and this is my question with Kyle all the time, you're finally in a place where what Rachel did by bringing you guys out there has forced you to just live together and have fun. Be cordial. Don't talk about anything serious because every time you talk about something serious when it comes to PK, when you're talking to Doree, she takes offense to it, then you get all rattled and then you say, I can't be a rounder. I just don't understand what she's doing. Why do you want to worry about things like that? Is it just to like not worry about your own marriage? Is that what you're doing? Like are you doing mental deflections to think about other people's lives and get involved in other people's lives and judge them because you're not doing what you think you should be doing in your own marital dispute? That makes a lot of sense. It does. I mean, it's taking up so much space in her brain that that's the only thing I can think of. Yeah, I don't understand. I mean, that's the only thing I can think of. If she deflects and focuses on Doree, she had to worry about her own shit. I think you're right. At some point, and this is the thing that won't happen because it's Kyle, at some point that opens you up to so many questions. If Doree is going to take that stand, which maybe she does in Italy, we've seen that clip a million times where Doree's going off on Kyle and then going off on Erica and then Erica goes off on her. Maybe that's what eventually happens, but if you're Kyle and actually if you're any housewife and you're doing this, you're opening yourself up to a world of hurt. She can turn on you and say, what are you doing with your fucking separation? You keep talking about it every time that somebody brings up at the force. You always make a point to say you're separated and you're working on it. Other people are saying that you guys are best friends as we talk about later when Rachel's family comes over, which was awkward. But at the end of the day, you're not. We're watching Mo gal that around the world hooking up with young girls and you're still holding on to this idea that you're going to get back together. You're living in a fantasy world. I would love it if somebody would say that in clock Kyle when she's getting involved on other people's businesses, but it never happens. That's the big problem that comes down with Kyle all the time. I think that's a big problem with this show is we don't have anybody to stand toe to toe with Kyle. We lost Lisa Vanderpump and we don't have anybody left. Exactly. Kyle's just clocking in and maybe that's what this is. It's like, all right, we're headed back to LA trying to jump back on the delete train. Yes. And yeah, she heard, card gets denied. I assumed it was fraud alert because I'm like, I got 3000 miles away from home. I imagine this is just fraud alert. It was, but I was worried that that was going to get back to Kyle. Then she'd be like, see, I told you. I thought so too. And I'm dreading that at the reunion if they talk about it because you know Andy's going to have a throw away comment. We put it out there like we all thought it and then Dorit's going to pull up like an email that she got. She's going to save that email. She's going to flag it, leave it in her inbox so that she can bring it up at the reunion. I don't want to do anything like that. This was clearly just fraud alert. It's again, if it popped up and she's looking at dresses and stuff and again, this is why I'm saying like quote unquote low end boutiques. She's looking at a dress and she's like, oh, I should have put this on. It was 325 bucks. Yeah. Like, that's not like if that same dress was in Beverly Hills at one of those stores, that's a $5,000 dress. She's spending 15 grand at this boutique in the Hamptons. Yeah, you can read into it. $4,000 is not crazy. And if you didn't notice when they're doing this because they kept looking at the card scanner, VIP 30 kept popping up, which means she got 30% off at the store. Nice. So I mean, that's a great deal. She got a lot of shift for that much money. When Kyle was talking to Rachel and saying all that, I was like, what do you mean? Yeah. She's like, she's over there like buying the whole store. She was like, that was a very moderate to low end shopping experience. Yeah. We've seen so much more money spent in fucking Sedona. They spent way more. I'm watching an episode where the old crew went to like Shanghai or something and LVP went into the Chanel store and bought like 50 grand worth of shit. So like, we've seen this before. This isn't even closer. That doesn't even crack the top 50. Now $4,500 is not worth mentioning. And Kyle makes a whole thing out of it. We get back to the house and Rachel is having her parents over for drinks before they got to dinner and we got a quick facetime between Bose and Kyle. And this was stupid. Yeah. This was such a dumb thing to do. I didn't understand. You enter the conversation in a confessional saying, I'm really glad that Bose is trying to get to know me like outside of the reap. And then you go to your conversation, all you're talking about is fucking the reap. That doesn't make any sense. That's still like, I know. When this first happens, when Bose first came on, what was the two seasons going on, I guess? I think so. Is this your third season? No, it's only your second season, yeah. Last year, that was the talk of the town, the talk of the show for like eight episodes where Kyle kept saying, I want you to get to know me without having to read in your ear. And yes, I understand the idea that you're creating in your own brain. And Reed has gotten close to Bose and she's talking about how bad of a friend you are and you're waiting to see if Bose is going to act on that or whatever. And Bose never did to her credit. She always gave you a chance. But every time she gave you a chance, you would talk about the reap. So what is she supposed to think about you? Bose I think has just gotten to a point where she knows this is going to happen. She's just checking in whether it's just for the show or she just wants to see what you guys are up to. She knows that you're going to talk about the reap the whole time. She's just playing it a lot cooler than she would have in the past. But Kyle doing this whole, she's giving me another chance to be a friend outside of the reap. Like, shut up. Who cares at this point? It doesn't happen. And you know Bose and DeRita tight and you know that you're not in a position to really comment on what DeRita is going through and how she's feeling and you should also understand because of where you're currently at, what she's going through to a certain extent. So to then air out her shit to Bose and be like, you know, I can't put my finger on it. She just seems, you know, I don't know if it's manic or OCD. I'm like, Jesus, dude. Like, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're like she threw in so many different examples too, she's talking about the store, she's talking about what happens before she got to the flight, like she was like, yeah, you know, Doreet's always on her own time and she was doing something with P. She made it seem like it was bizarre that she was late and forgot her passport. I was like, that sounds like Doreet to me. It sounds like Doreet and also immediately I'm thinking Doreet is a normal person who doesn't want to go get a real ID, fuck real ID, they're stupid. They're a pain in the ass to go get, so I don't blame her for that. She's flying private to New York. She probably didn't think that she needed anything with an ID commercial. They did fly commercial. Phoenix asked Doreet, which is such a rich kid question. Did you fly commercial? Oh, I thought, okay, yeah, I could have sworn because they were sitting in that lounge button whenever, maybe, who cares? Either way, yeah, it's a normal thing to be like, I forgot my passport, like I'll just get through this, it's not a big deal. Not the end of the world, it's actually a very relatable moment. I thought so too, but the way she's talking about her is so weird, like she's a little scattered and you know, she was the first one to point out to me that like the exercise and the drinking was, or they're not drinking in the exercise last year and I was going through my thing, like if it was too much or something like that, it's like, yeah, but the way that Doreet did it, it was asked you. She asked you, hey, do you think that this is a response to what you're going through? You're telling Bose that she's doing the same thing. That's not the same thing. And Bose and her confession was like, hey Kyle, maybe take your own advice. You don't want to read talking about PK, you stop talking about Doreet. We're gonna see all of this at the reunion again. But that's the other thing is, and that's what I was alluding to earlier. Kyle doesn't care because we always go through this with Kyle all summer or all season rather, where she's talking about somebody else, it's gonna come up at the reunion, she's gonna have to answer for that and then she kind of squirls away from the question. So it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. No, and obviously they're talking about her purse too. And like what Bose says is what Kyle should take and hold on to and believe because she's like, maybe we should have a conversation with her to better understand how to support her so she can be more focused. Perhaps. Sure. I just don't, I don't think. I don't know. I spent some weird money on random things when I got the forward for my book deal. Yeah. Yeah, that happens. And yes, is the timing great? No, because we don't know what's going on with Doreet and PK's finances. I have that question, but you shouldn't be voicing that question. Not like this. I can do whatever the hell I want over here. You can't. Yeah, or if you do again, go to Doreet and say, hey, dude, you good? She's already done too much to ever go to Doreet. Yeah. Like, hey, are you good? I think would speak volumes if she did go to her hat and hand and like, hey, everything we've seen from Doreet over the last two seasons, if Kyle goes over there and says, let me just check in with you and see what's going on and just sat there and listen. Doreet would be open to that. You're best friend. Even better than open with that. And instead, it's like, it's almost like Kyle has resorted to talking about Doreet like this to other people because she feels like it's just irreparable. Like, I'm never going to be able to go to Doreet and talk about this because there's just too much has already happened. I was talking to PK last year. She had a problem with that. Everything I do, she has a problem with. And I'm like, no, it's actually quite the opposite from my perspective. If you go and talk to Doreet, I think she'd be well open to talk to you about everything. Always, no matter what you got, you guys could have just gotten a fight in the viper room and she would still be open to that conversation. That's what. Dev was speculating that it's more evidence that Kyle just doesn't care anymore. That she doesn't care about the show. It's whatever. I've been saying that for like five years now. I know, but it's just another, another notch. Another example of that. Yeah. This show is sponsored by LiquidIV. You're going to have a hard time transitioning from those indoor hibernation sessions to outdoor saturation. I'm talking traveling, festivals, spring break, whatever it might be. There are a lot of times that involve the sun and it leads to dehydration. And it is the absolute worst. Whether it's a three day festival, exploring a farmer's market, or a 12 hour flight to a destination wedding, LiquidIV is superior hydration than water alone. 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So she's in, I don't know where they are, but she used to live there, I guess, with her husband and now she's just trying to get her shit back together. And who better to do that with then Jennifer Tilly? Yeah, with a cool ass handbag too, just see that cat. She has the best bags. You know, and immediately if it was anybody else, I actually Tilly's kind of weird. So it could have easily just been like a figurine that she was carrying around. My boss is definitely a bag though. It was definitely some sort of clutch that she could open up. And I'm sure it was like $25,000. Just a great looking bag. But I was kind of done with this whole thing in the beginning where I'm like, all right, Satna, you're gonna do this the whole season. When they show that clip of her talking to her daughter, I'm like, no, she actually is going through it. She really is feeling this. Like this is, and that was such a good quintessential like I'm talking to my teenage daughter about adult problems that she's not gonna understand on an emotional level. And like we have been spoiled with a lot of teenagers that are way too emotionally intelligent. This was a normal conversation where it's like, yeah, you're still my mom. I don't know how to do it. No shit, what? What are we talking about here? Can I get off the phone? I have to go hang out with my friends. I have a frat party in an hour. It made a lot of sense. It does show you where Satna is. And she's struggling with this. And I'm okay with that because a lot of people are gonna like immediately grab their pitchforks and go after Satna because she's not doing anything. This is way better than Satna actually doing things. I agree. And you get the extra wrinkle in there that Christian, her ex-husband's new girlfriend is her friend. Yes. That's a whole different. I didn't know that. Nobody told her until she found out for somebody else. For some reason. Yeah, her son told her. So yeah, it's a weird situation. It's probably sucks for her to hear all those things. So this is a real situation. And what do you want, honestly? No, I've enjoyed sat in this season. But the next scene is a very powerful one. I want to give Erica Jane all the credit in the world for doing this on such a public platform. The strength that it takes, I can't even begin to imagine. So hats off to her. But she has a therapy session with the, ironically the only therapist that we like on all of our level. This is the only one we said this last year because she pressed Erica when she was talking with the pizza thing. She's like, you don't deserve a pizza party. I was like, oh, I fuck with this. I like this one. Yeah. She's actually doing normal therapists. You're not enabling. But it's also just, and in the past, when we said that, when we complimented this therapist, it was more just like, okay, this is a real therapy session because Erica's actually opening up about things and we love to see that. This was that time's 10. Like really opening up about everything that's been going on in her life. Everything she's going through, she's getting sued again by the trustees. There's just so much shit going on. And it's a lot of stuff. Yeah, like we were kind of tired of the lawsuits, but it does pile up on her. And then when she gets into her interpersonal relationships and what she went through in her past relationship, there's just so much stuff here that it seems like she's been harboring for so long. Sure. That she's now letting it out. And we saw the scene last week where she's talking to Denise and Sutton. Now she's talking to her therapist. Like she's working through all these things. So again, much like Sutton's storyline, this is a personal storyline. My gripe is that there's not a lot going on in the group aside from just to eat Kyle and Amanda, but you're still getting at least some sort of insight into what these women are going through. So I can't complain too much. Now the individual insight has been nice. And I think with the Erica trial stuff, I think it hits harder now, because it's like fuck, she's still going through this shit. And this next one's a doozy. It's 25 million because of the trust being bankrupted or whatever. So that on top of, because you get lost in the charm of Erica, I think, and that's not in a negative way. I'm saying she is so good at putting on this front that she is so good that everything's great. Like that you do forget, you're going through a whole lot of shit. And she's so strong that you forget all of that stuff. So it actually is a good reminder to be like, oh damn, but when she gets to the end of the session, she brings up the fact that she told, or talked publicly about what had happened between her and her ex-boyfriend or whoever that dude was, that hit her. And the emotions that come with this, like the fact that she's questioning, like should I have said anything, was that stupid that I do the wrong, like that sucks. So hard that you have to sit there and question that. And I feel so bad that that's even a thought because the strength that it took and for her to do that to help. So I can't imagine how many people watching this took something away from that. Yeah. Felt seeing, felt supported because she was able to do that. But while she's having this powerful moment, she's still thinking like, fuck, maybe I shouldn't have done this. Like that's really sad. Yeah, and I think it's even more powerful because you look at somebody like Erica Jane, who seems to have all of her shit together. She doesn't really care what other people think. And she's got this whole attitude about everything that's going on in her life where it's pretty much, if you're not with me, fuck you. To watch somebody like that go through this and talk about it on TV is even more powerful to anybody else who might be listening to that. No, I completely agree. And this was very just real. Like the end of the scene, you know, she, this was a funny-ish moment because when she's talking to her therapist, she's like, her therapist is laying out this scenario. You know, we all think about that time where we get to where bills are paid, laundry's folded, no stress. And Erica's like, yes, yes, Doc, that's what I want. She's like, it doesn't fucking exist, dude. Bro, it was just, I want to give her credit one more time. It really was a powerful scene. And I've really enjoyed her this season. I think she's found this perfect little niche of she is the person that a lot of people go to because she's real. And I think that's what's different about Erica as far as like the shoulder to cry on or the friend, the go-to friend, is that she doesn't just agree. Like she'll give you her actual thoughts in this situation even with Kyle. She's like, eh, you should stay out of this one. She's one of the only housewives across the board that will actually give you an honest answer when you go to her to like have a conversation but not do it in a, we see two things. One, you get an honest answer with a lot of stank on it or two, they just agree. You get a very agreeable answer. Erica does not give a nasty answer, but she'll give an honest answer. And she's not just agreeable. So that's very important. Now let's get back to the Hamptons. We got to meet Rachel's parents. We don't want to keep them waiting like to read. And you know, Kyle's down there first, obviously. I don't know what's happening. I don't know who you think you are in Dorit's life or why you feel the need to do this because you're standing around with strangers right now and you're like, well, Dorit's doing this and she's up there doing that. She said her dress wasn't that, you're laying the table for the fact that like, oh, who is this woman? Rachel's parents are saying they're going, God, what a nightmare. Like she's up there still because it wasn't Hampt. Fuck off. Like she's trying to figure it out. I don't know and she is going through something right now. Kyle, I don't know why we're nitpicking every little thing that Dorit's doing to the point that we're talking about her being late to walk downstairs. Who fucking cares? Yeah, this is pretty much the same copy and paste and I don't even think it has anything to do with her gumbling through stuff. Sutton got to her house for a party last year and she still wasn't ready. Right. So this is just who Dorit is. That's it. You can make jokes about Dorit being late. You can make jokes about who she is as a person because she's always going to be late. Even in her own house, she was late last year. So we're expecting her at some point and then move on and get to know these people. That's all you have to do. You don't have to add in any other little quips about who she is and what she's going through and try to make it seem like she's a bad person. Like, what are we doing here? I don't know. I don't know. It was absolutely bizarre and that's a great point. Now, Kyle's trying to use Doritisms as like, oh, this is out of character. Yeah. What do you mean? Everything that she's using as an example is something Dorit has done in the past. She did that shit when she was married to Pinky. Okay, quote unquote happily married. Like stupid. I don't know why you're throwing these things out that they call my god. That's weird. No, it's not. It's bizarre. You're weird. You weirdo. But Dorit joins and of course, like, makes a much better impression than Kyle. At least that's what production leads me to believe because she's talking to the parents. They seem to vibe a little bit. Kyle shut up and they're talking about like, divorces, all those things. I felt for Rachel in this scene and I just hats off to Rachel. So what a fucking star, dude. They should have had her back five fucking years ago. Yeah. They should never have gotten rid of her. Yeah, that's the other thing is, if they had her back into Beverly Hills pretty much like right after LVP's gone, maybe a couple of seasons after, you probably don't have to make as many moves as you've made in the last six years. I don't think so. This would have been a lot easier to do and I feel like she would have gotten to a point and I know this is putting in a lot on and quote unquote noobie, but she's been around for so long. It's not the same handle anything. It's not the same thing as us like, awarding bows or something last year. I mean like wow, bows is great. She could have fixed all these problems. Like no, I actually do think that Rachel could have fixed a lot of the problems and you wouldn't have had to go through, you know, I liked crystal, but you wouldn't have had to go through the crystal phase and Marie phase. Yeah, Marie phase. You wouldn't have gone through like all of the things that Sutton was doing when everybody was just getting mad at her. You might still have Lisa running on the show. Like there could be so many things going on on the show. If you made the right moves and if you had her back and we don't know, like contract, the spew she was ready or whatever. But watching it now, it's like, why are we just getting her now? Don't know. We've had to endure five seasons of essentially nothing. I don't know. She is so authentic, real, relatable, even though she's like filthy rich. She's all the things you want. Yeah. So like her coming back, she could honestly be the reason that I'm enjoying this season. I think it's probably true. I think she is, if not the only reason, I think that her influence across the group, even, like the fact that she in her first fucking season back can take Kyle and Doreet, I was gonna say overseas, to New York and have like a fun weekend, we would never have seen that with anybody also taking those two. That would not have happened the way it did. No, no, we would have, and Kyle even threatened this. If she wasn't gonna have fun, she was gonna leave. Yeah, Kyle would have left. Yeah. Actually, you would have been on a plane, see you later. Uh-huh. And all that to say, like in these moments, that's what make damn, we forget, because again, Rachel, very strong, very confident. I like that she is vulnerable though, when she wants to be and she lets us in, and that's huge, especially again, on this cast, because we've missed that with so many of these cast members. But she goes from one scene to the next scene, where she's in her confessional talking about her parents' reaction to her ex. She's like, that wasn't their son or not, that was their son. This is a whole different layer to this whole thing. I got rid of their favorite person. That, I'm going through that shit too. She talks about having a complete breakdown later. I cried on the floor for like a day. All of this shit that like, it's not, we're doing ask for a lot. We ask for authenticity, let us in. Let us in. Let us get a glimpse. And she did, she is. It's really, she's phenomenal, truly. But now let's get back to Beverly Hills, when we got dinner. We're going with Bose, Keely, and Layelle. We need to have a Keely Convo. That's this is about. Yeah, we, but if they have a Bose Convo too, about this one. A Bose Convo and a Keely Convo. Why is her daughter there for this conversation? Oh, I don't know. I don't know why she brought up this. So there's two parts to it. Yeah, well, there are two very important conversations happening. Yeah. I don't think either of them should have been around the daughter. I know she's very mature for her age. So that's where I thought. Like maybe their relationship. Obviously it's a much different relationship because Peter passed away. I was been in father passed away. I would imagine from what I've seen between these two, they have also that friend relationship. And I think that maybe, and I could be wrong here, and I'm not saying good or bad, I'm just saying. I think this is what it is. I think maybe that's the way that Bose handles this relationship. It's like, I'm going to tell you what's going on with this, what's going on with that. You're going to know everything. Even if it's uncomfortable to discuss. Now, do I fully agree with having the fertility combo on TV with your daughter? No. On TV, sure, because you have been talking about it a lot, and that's fine if you had a sit down with Jess Keely, you guys would not have to dinner. No, not on TV. I'm saying on TV with your daughter. Oh, with your daughter, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like that's the other thing is, that's the way that you're talking to your daughter. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like that's the other thing is, the way this conversation was going, it wasn't just a little check-in. Like, all right, this is what I'm up to. Like, yeah, we're still figuring it out. Like this was always going to be a heavier conversation, even when you're thinking about, like I'm bringing this up while we're at dinner. So that was enough for me to be like, all right, maybe she shouldn't be here for this conversation. I don't know. And the way that it comes up, obviously, which it was organic, like I'm going to update you on what's going on. And Keely has a follow-up question pretty quickly. Like, okay, are you going to take a little break? Like if this one doesn't work, are you going to take a little break? Which I'm not reading into too much because he doesn't, I guess he doesn't have the conversation of like reading. You're reading it a little later. I'm reading into his response to all of this afterwards. But in this, it's like, okay, I'm more like, have you guys not had this discussion about what happens? Yeah. And why are we just doing this now? Maybe they were just very hopeful and thinking like, okay, it'll probably work. And if it doesn't work, we'll figure it out at that point. And now it's like, we have to have a very stern conversation about what happens. It's like, okay, you guys haven't talked about this a whole lot at all because he's of the thinking of, well, you're going to take a little break and like, give your body a rest and try to figure things out from there. I'm okay with that. You know, obviously he could have said it differently. He could have said it better. But I'm okay with that in a nutshell, given the fact that they're talking about this. But once Bose responds with like, I don't know, that might be it. I'm waiting to see what Keely does. Pretty much just waiting to see what he does. And he goes a long way about to get to the point of, look, I still want to be, I still want to marry you and I still want to be your stepfather or dad or whatever you want to call me at that point. That's the right answer. It took a little too long to get there, but it was the right answer. So I'm giving a little benefit of the doubt here because it was a really awkward conversation and then you throw in the kid being there. I don't really know if any guys are going to do much better for that one. There. So I watched it with Dev. We were talking about it. I had multiple reactions and then I thought it through and I think I've landed here. This whole fertility journey has become much more apparent that it's for Keely, my opinion. Bose keeps saying that. Right. And that's also kind of why I'm like, not that the kid's still there, but she keeps saying like, I know you really want to have kids. I'm like, you're leading us here. And now we're thinking this. And if it goes wrong, it's going to be his fault. Well, that's kind of like, you're kind of making a bed for us to lay it at this. My big thing with it and my big takeaway is the more that she says that because in the beginning, you know, last week, the week prior, we're like, oh, Keely seems like whatever. And like we've been kind of Keely fans up until it's a monitoring situation, yeah. Right. I think of monitored. And I think that it's becoming so apparent that this is for Keely. And I think that in this moment, he had a big chance for when he says, if this doesn't work, are we going to take a break? Mm-hmm. He should have said something along the lines of, if this doesn't work, whatever you want to do. He needs to put more agency in Bose's hands and say, hey, I want to do what you want to do because what it comes off as at this point, she's almost died giving birth. She's lost a child giving birth. And she just had a similar reaction to learning the embryos didn't implant. Like she even says, it felt the same as when I heard that Eva didn't make it. Right. I need Keely to step up there in that moment and not leave it like an open end to like, I will see where it goes. You need to fucking say something along the lines of, hey, I support you and whatever you want to do. If you want this, I'm in. If not, if this isn't going to work, I still love you. Like you said, he's stalled a little bit. It was a weird way. So when I'm putting all these pieces together and then I didn't think the question was that weird, but the more that I talked about with Dev, I was like, okay, I see where you're coming from. Well, how are we gonna fucking end the conversation with what if I lose my job? What are you- That's my problem with Keely, but keeping it on just the fertility journey. Yeah. I think it's a little harsh to immediately be like, what the fuck are you doing? Because we don't know. We're only getting brief glimpses as to where I actually know all. And we have gotten to a point where she is trying. We don't know what their conversations are behind closed. That's fair. They've clearly gotten to this point. So we don't know if Bose is saying a lot of different things and then she had that reaction. Now, again, obviously after that last one failed, she had a reaction where it's like, yeah, it reminded me of the time that that happened and I felt the same way. Is this the first time that he's hearing that? Cause I have a big problem with that one too. If this is the first time that he's hearing that you had that reaction, we're sitting in front of your daughter and we're on camera. I don't think so. But we don't know. We don't know, but based on when they were talking to the doctor on the screen, how she reacted there, I would be hard pressed to not think that the conversation that didn't let that- I would be too, but then- And this, maybe it's because of he wants a kid with her so bad that he's just blinded everything else out. Maybe that's a possibility, but the way that he reacted to it, I was like, is this the first time he's hearing this? Cause that's kind of problematic. I don't really like that this is the first time that he's hearing that, but we don't know. And that's the big thing that's my big takeaway anyway, is I'm not gonna be hyper critical because he didn't say the exact perfect thing this entire time because we don't know the rest. Clearly he still ended it with, I still love you, I still wanna marry you and I still wanna be your stepfather. That is the right answer at the end of the day. Like I said, he's stalled a little bit, but it's an awkward conversation. It's a really awkward conversation to have in front of a 17 year old. And it's really weird to do this if this is the first time that he's hearing some of this on camera. And it's like, why are we doing this now? Shouldn't we have had this? We don't know what the other conversations are like. So I'm not gonna be super hyper critical of that. I will be super hyper critical of turning the conversation into, would you still love me if I didn't have a job? Yeah, where'd that come from? I don't know, and that's also trying to equate you not having a job to her losing a kid. It is, yeah. And I have a big problem with that. I think my big takeaway from what you said, does he so desperately want a kid with Bose? Or does he so desperately want a kid period? I think he wants a kid with Bose because he ended it with, I wanna marry you still. Okay, yeah, I think it's still with, that's the other thing is, I think clearly they love each other. I don't think that this is just like, well, we'll see how this goes. And we'll try to have kids. Like I think there's clearly a lot of love there. I think they love each other. I think the conversations, like when these, like we give, and we take a lot of things for granted on shows like this, or when we see a conversation like this, we've seen it go so many different ways. We've seen a lot of very similar situations play out on a lot of different reality TV shows, and they go a lot of different ways. Sometimes this one was just a little awkward, and I think because we're so trained and everybody online too, because we're so trained to like read into little things here and there, we're gonna immediately jump and be like, what the fuck is this? The conversation about the job immediately afterwards, absolutely, that was bizarre. That was strange. It makes me think that he's a grifter, it makes me think that like he doesn't have a job. Maybe he's currently unemployed, and he's actually sold all of his companies, they all own, like we don't know, that was the other side. That part of it is bizarre to be, and it could, and using the same logic that I was, it could just be, this is a really awkward conversation we're in front of a camera, I gotta think of something to say, let me do this, this'll be a good conversation to have, it's, no, it's not. I was stupid. And that's also strike number two, because again, we're having this conversation in front of a 17 year old, this is weird, she wants to get the fuck out of there, she is very uncomfortable. Every time they pan over to her, I'm like, oh God. That's where I got a little bit more evidence for what I was saying earlier, because there is a moment where she raises her eyebrows, amidst the fertility conversation, and I caught it, mainly because the camera was only on her, and they wanted us to catch it. That was bizarre too, like. But like, that makes me think, and I didn't think, this is why I love watching these shows with Deb, because she sees them differently, and she's like, yeah, well, did you notice that one time when she was talking about Keeley to her mom, her voice raised an octave, like 10 octaves higher, I was like, I didn't know, but that is interesting. Yeah. So, I don't know, I think the end of the day, for some reason, I'm protective of Bose, probably because I like her so much, and she's been through so much that I'm like, don't fucking fuck her up. No, I definitely don't want him to fuck her up, but I also do think like we've gotten to this point, there's gotta be so many more conversations that we want to agree with, too, that have led to this point where it's like, okay, this is just a really awkward conversation, and I don't know why we're having it right now, but we are, so let's try to get through it. And I do think, as weird as the second conversation was, I do think that was his weird response to, well, now I gotta say something. Yeah, but again, now you're trying to do it. I don't know, it equates. Well, it does equate, and at the end of the day, he is much like you can say, and we've seen her daughter be incredibly emotionally intelligent, I'm not gonna put a whole lot into her raising her eyebrows, she's 17 years old. We can continue to monitor, I'm just saying. We're gonna monitor the situation, but I'm leaning pretty heavy one way. I think that they still love each other so, I get so much love from the two of them talking, and the way that she talks about him, that I'm not gonna put a whole lot, which this is reality TV, it's a housewife show. You see one weird interaction, you're gonna jump. That's what everybody does, I'm not gonna. Okay, yeah, I will. Yeah, that's fine. Let's get back to the Ampthens. Of the Regency era, you might know it as the time when Bridgeton takes place, where it's the time when Jane Austen wrote her books. The Regency era was also an explosive time of social change, sex scandals, and maybe the worst king in British history. Vulgar history's new season is all about the Regency era, the balls, the gowns, and all the scandal. Listen to vulgar history, Regency era, wherever you get podcasts. Oh please, not that music. That music gives me nightmares from my childhood. 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It's like HR, come on over here. Oh, you're so sweet. Yeah, yeah, you've got flowers for me. That's great. It's pretty much all it is. Yeah, it just made me laugh. Some like, you know, sweaty, creepy looking dude who could be so nice did the same thing. I'd be like, fuck this. You get an air marshal. I have an escort off the plane. But if he's smoking hot, you're like, maybe I can't, but you're so funny. It just made me laugh. But anyway, the whole dinner convo turns to Rachel and something that had happened between her and her ex. She's like, what happened and whatever happened happened and I just split open. That's when I was crying on the floor of this, that, the other. Now, I think we can all agree it was cheating. Mm-hmm. Even though we never really actually seen it. It's like, yeah. It's gotta be cheating. Probably of the emotional variety. Oh, you got from this, yeah. Oh, either way, he was- What I'm talking about, by the way, which is just immediately ripping into something we know nothing about. You cheated, Hunter. It's quite clear. We know, but anyway, she's just talking about the fallout from that whole thing. And while discussing it gets us back to a moment, which makes me like 100% believe that it was cheating because she brings it back to a night where she was out doing her stylist thing and she was all over the world, she said. And you know, trust was always there. And you would say like, if you didn't get her, you can have her, blah, blah, blah, whatever. There was one night, I guess some hot, hunky model. She fooled around with him. She told her ex. Her ex, the next day, proposed to her. Mm-hmm. Whatever, that's their story. I have no fucking idea. What Kyle is doing? I don't understand it because she goes to a confessional and says, what kind of marriage are you set in the stage for? How's your marriage, dude? What are we doing? Rachel likes you. I know, I know, she does like her. And I don't know what Kyle's doing, but in the same breath, it makes total silence. That's like, I agree. If you want to judge somebody, like that is a crazy fucking story. Yeah, that's not the point. Like, yeah, sure. For anybody else, that is the point. Right. For Kyle Richards to do this, for what she's talking about with Doreet, for ignoring all of the things that are going on in her separation. Yes, it is a crazy thing to say right then and there, but in the perfect world where nobody is involved in anything, we don't know anything about these people. You hear a story like that, you're like, what the fuck is that? That's pretty nuts. That's pretty crazy. Why are you telling me this? But that's not the scenario that we find ourselves in right now. Yeah. We find Kyle Richards, who is going to alienate another friend. That's all I ask. But the other thing about Rachel is, I think Kyle going to her confessional and saying that and not saying it right then and there, is different. And when it comes up in the reunion and Kyle was talking about that her Rachel gets wind of it, I don't think that Rachel's going to be pissed off about it. I think she will in a different, I don't think she's going to leap. I think that Rachel's going to be, I hope at least, just strong, neutral somewhat, but I don't want her to get super, I don't care if she gets amped up, but I think it would land so much better, especially with Kyle. She's like, no, it's fucked up. And just like, it would, yeah. And maybe that's one of the things and it's a good difference from this season is maybe we'll have that where Rachel will actually go after Kyle for something, but I probably won't be that calm. But there's a lot of things that Kyle has done this season that maybe Rachel can read into and talk about at the reunion. I just don't think the vibe that I've gotten from Rachel this whole time, I think she's going to laugh this one off. Probably, like I'm not expecting a big blowup, it's more just, my gripes with Kyle, I just don't understand why, why is that stone? It's living in a glass house. She, her glass house is shattered from all the stones she's drawn. I don't think it's shattered though. I don't, that's the problem with this show and that's been the problem with this show. Kyle can throw as many stones as she wants. She lives in the thinnest glass house ever and it never breaks. It just goes through. Nobody does anything. I don't understand. Nobody ever holds her accountable. That's, I'm holding up. That's what I'm hoping that Rachel can do and that's like, she's not gonna. No, I said that, not for this moment. I'm saying there's a million other things that Rachel can read into and go after Kyle for and maybe it's that she gets to a point where she's a friend with Doreet and when we're talking about Kyle and Doreet then she can be on Doreet's side, that would be good. Because we've seen Doreet go after Kyle and nothing ever lands. We've seen Lisa Rina go after Kyle in the years past, nothing ever fucking lands on Kyle for some reason and it doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe Rachel can help something lands on Kyle. I hope so. Because we've never seen it happen. I hope so, but yeah, that was just be wildering comment to make given what you're currently going through. But yeah, let's get to some questions. First one up here from Kriston. How grimy was Kyle for airing Doreet out like that on TV while always having PK side? We've seen it all season actually. It's not that wild. It's just stupid. I don't understand. I don't understand. It's grimy actually. The question was how grimy was. It's grimy, isn't it? Yeah, it's super grimy. Yeah. From out of office mama, why wouldn't Kyle talk to Doreet directly about her quote and quote, what manic behavior before going to Bose? Sudden feel for manufactured for the cameras. That's part of it, but that is also the world that Kyle lives in. And when she does things like that, I don't think in her mind, she's like, this is good for the cameras. That's just who she is now. I just love our audience because we've said all of these things are going to set up a so do you guys are at the same page as you. From Blackbeard 601, am I the only one that went from liking Erica to not liking Erica to liking Erica again? No, that's the Erica Jane train. That is the Erica Jane train. We've actually been on the train of just kind of liking her. Sometimes we'll point out that she's not doing anything, but I've never disliked her actually. There's pretty much since she was denying all of the victims that season with... That was, yeah, but that was, you know, a different story. That was a way different story. But yeah, we've never been, like you said, our only issues with her have always been just like, hey, we like you so do more, please. Mm-hmm. And like I said, she's really found her spot this season. Yeah, like she's really in a really great spot. I've thoroughly enjoyed her. From Amanda Rocky's mom, am I crazy or should Kyle also be sharing and opening up the way that Rachel is? You're not crazy. No, but you're crazy for even positing that question. What do you... What the hell do you think this is, a TV show? From Myra Hellwig, thoughts on having less Amanda this episode felt less chaotic, but not uninteresting. Yeah, I'm... It was a nice reprieve. Yeah, I'm still looking because I still beef with fucking bloggers out there that are like, we're gonna be able to drop the help mid season. We're like 10 episodes, 11 episodes and she's still here. We don't know that. I know she goes on the trip too because we saw her in Sutton talking in the hot of a donut. Yeah, yeah. So like if she's, honestly, if she's not gone, I am going to petition to get bloggers who leak things that are happening throughout the season thrown in jail. Seed. Oh, wow. Jail. Okay. Straight to jail. Not fucking around. From Sarah Trapp's three episodes of Three Ladies and The Hamptons, is that a hint that the rest of the season is a flop? Could be. Oh, I could really be able to do that. God damn it. Damn it. Shit. Probably, yeah. Probably. Oh, that really could be a hint. See, this is our audience, you guys. Yep. You're great. Sure is. But damn it, you just bummed me out. And last one here from Melanie Perham, we need Mortilly. Always. We always need Mortilly, honestly. Give me a T-shirt. She's gone back to just being Sutton's friends. She was kind of getting to a point where we saw her with other people, she would be with other parties. She didn't get invited to Amanda's. I think she would have been great at Amanda's. Like, I don't know. We're not getting as much Tilly as we want. No, we always, always need Mortilly. Great point. Yeah, I don't know what to expect moving forward. It's scared. Yeah, thanks. But look, it's been an enjoyable month. Like, this episode wasn't bad by any means. Just felt kind of clumsy and like filler, but that happens. I don't know. Maybe there's a world in which they continue this hot street going back and with a group coming together. I'm sure we'll have a big blow up and it'll fall apart in some way, shape or form, but hopefully that's in an entertaining way and not the same bullshit that we've had to watch for five years. Correct. Cross your fingers. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Well, bro, it's got to go. That's our show. From the parents behind Law and Order, comes a mystery the whole family can enjoy. Patrick Picklebottom, everyday mysteries. 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