Once upon a time, there was a listener who just couldn't get enough of the Indicator from Planet Money. Who was it? Rumpelstiltskin? This listener tuned in all the time but thought, what if there was more? But Rumpelstiltskin would be in luck because the Indicator has a brand new newsletter. That's right. We talk about what we think matters in the news that week. We answer your listener questions and talk about all the crazy gags we get up to. It comes out Friday mornings. Sign up now at npr.org slash indicator newsletter. N-P-R. It's Jobs Friday. Huzzah! Yes, it's that time of the month when we get one of the best indicators of the health of the U.S. economy. how many jobs are being created. Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics says 115,000 jobs were added in April. The unemployment rate stayed at 4.3 percent. And in these uncertain times, it's helpful to drill deeper into specific industries, like the information industry, which includes tech and media. The information industry lost 13,000 jobs. Healthcare and social assistance, on the other hand, gained 54,000 jobs. All right, so that is the last month. But people thinking about new careers want to know what the future holds for those jobs, maybe like 10 years into the future. Well, they would be in luck because the Bureau of Labor Statistics has another report that weighs in on just that. It started several decades ago, and it's called the Occupational Outlook Handbook. This is The Indicator from Planet Money. I'm Darian Woods. And I'm Waylon Wong. Today on the show, the job's crystal ball. We answer your questions about what the future of work looks like and how accurate the government's guesses actually are. Ever feel like there's always something new that everyone's talking about? Ever feel like you're always out of the loop? Over at Pop Culture Happy Hour, the roundtable pop culture podcast, we've got you. Every episode, we discuss everything. Movies, books, games, and shows, so you'll never feel like you're missing any part of the conversation. Listen to Pop Culture Happy Hour only from NPR wherever you get your podcasts. The other day we heard from a listener My name is Asa Hess Matsumoto and I work as an application security engineer That means Asa keeps our apps safe from hackers and viruses And he also moonlights as a teaching assistant at Georgia Tech. He's used to fielding questions about job prospects. Fair, in this new AI vibe coding world. You have career changers, students, new graduates. And, you know, I try as best as I'm able to to provide like sort of empirically backed guidance. Asa says he finds one section of the BLS website quite useful for those hard numbers. It's the BLS's Occupational Outlook Handbook. There he can look up jobs like the one he does, Information Security Analyst. He sees things like its median wage. $125,000. And he can see where these jobs are most plentiful. Virginia and California. He can also see the projected job growth to the year 2034. 29% growth. That's a lot of analysts. Yes. His job is safe. Well, this lodged a question in Ace's mind. How is that done? How is that estimate made? And has there been any follow-up to determine how accurate these estimations and projections have aligned with the real-world data once time catches up? So at the top of the BLS's list for future job growth is nurse practitioner, solar photovoltaic installer, and wind turbine service technician. Ooh, you did that once for a day, for an episode, remember? You put on your steel-toed boots, you climbed up a windmill. It was the height of the Statue of Liberty. Oh my gosh. And where I didn't go was the bottom of the BLS list, which is roles like teller or desktop publisher, billed account collectors. Those jobs are projected to decrease. Sarah Mattson is an economist at the BLS. Sarah does the work looking at trends in the labor market. But, you know, she's not like a psychic. If I could make every exact prediction in a crystal ball, I would not be working here. I would have won the lottery by now. Sarah says the way the Bureau calculates job growth starts at looking at overall trends in the U.S. Factors such as the general aging of the population and general population change and stuff like that. Then Sarah's colleagues extrapolate the historical trends for jobs within the different industries. Like maybe home health and personal care aides are growing at a faster rate than, say, physicians and surgeons. But there no amount of historical data that can project trends that don yet exist in the historical data AI of course is a great example of that So that where my team comes in and we apply our research to those initial estimates to kind of move them as we see appropriate for the emerging trends So for our listener, Asa's job, information security analyst, that's expected to grow. The BLS writes, cyber attacks have grown in frequency and these analysts will be needed. Bad for the world, but good for Asa's cybersecurity students. Yeah, the BLS is bullish on both scams and cybersecurity students. Yes. But that gets us to Ace's second question. How reliable have the BLS projections been? Economist Maxime Massenkopf has written a paper answering this very question. Maxime recently moved from academia to AI. He now works for Anthropic. With all the developments in AI, I got really curious about will this job still be around? and how good would advice be based on these kinds of job forecasts? Maxime's research began by looking just after World War II. That's when millions of young veterans had returned home from Europe in the Pacific. The U.S. government wanted to help them decide what careers to pursue. So it made the first Occupational Outlook report in 1946. It had a really wide circulation. The circulation in the U.S. approached that of like a New York Times bestseller. And that popularity remains. It's the most visited section of the BLS website today. The report has been updated every few years since, and it highlights trends that might affect jobs, like when the U.S. highway system was being built out from the 1950s. These huge construction projects would unearth a lot of artifacts, and so the BLS predicted that demand for archaeologists would go up. In the 50s and 60s, the handbook predicted more veterinarians as more people moved to the suburbs. They'd have a lot more space and they'd be more likely to have a pet dog. Even trends for men having longer hair in the 1970s. The prediction for decreased demand for barbers. People didn't need to get their hair cut as often. Some assessments haven't aged as well. Like in the 1940s, the report offered a fairly benign outlook for telegraph operators. It said the downward trend of employment expected in the occupation over the long run will probably not be sharp enough to cause heavy, prolonged layoffs. That sounds like a missed prediction for me. So Maxime tallied up the overall scoreboard collected all of the projections from the 1940s through to the 1990s and then he checked them against how the jobs actually did down the line These predictions are really strongly correlated with the employment trajectories If you choose a job that the outlook was really optimistic about, there would be much higher growth in that occupation in the next 10 or 20 years. When Maxime found was that the top third of jobs that were projected to grow the fastest did grow a lot. They rose by 57 percent over two decades. The bottom third of projected jobs actually grew by only 12%. How much of this accurate record could have just been done by looking at how fast jobs are growing now and then assuming that they'll continue growing at the same rate? Maxine found that existing job trends did account for a lot of that forecasting power. Right. So if warehousing jobs are growing a lot last decade, they're likely to continue growing next decade. That might be due to the continued rise of online shopping. These things, at least historically, have just unfolded slowly. That said, Maxime says the BLS did add value. When you compare them head-to-head, the occupational outlook wins out a little bit. So if you had to just choose one source, you would still go with the BLS. The BLS does its own backwards-looking assessments of how accurate its projections have been. And Sarah Mattson from the agency says that the most recent evaluation shows that the BLS correctly projected whether an occupational group would grow or shrink almost 70% of the time. And that's all available on our website for anyone to take a look at. People like our listener Asa Hess-Matsumoto. As we heard, he was wondering if he could rely on the BLS projections when talking to the next generation of cybersecurity analysts. Well, he can rest assured, the BLS has a pretty good track record. We told Asa what we learned. And I actually have an answer for you. Great. Yeah. We explained that the BLS takes long-term job trends and extends them. Then it boosts these up and down depending on new technological or social changes. And evaluations afterwards show they're reasonably accurate. What are your thoughts? I'm pretty impressed that it's that accurate given how far out that they cast and how even looking back at the last few years things have changed. That's incredible. That's really incredible. Do you want us to take your question? Email us. indicator at npr.org. This episode was produced by Corey Bridges with engineering by Jimmy Keely. This fact act by Sierra Juarez. Kate and Cannon edits the show and The Indicator is a production of NPR.
