Buck Sexton Exposes the War on Sanity + Rep. Nancy Mace EMBARRASSES Tim Walz

Well, in this episode, Buck Sexton is going to join us and talk all about his new book, Manufacturing Delusion. Very interesting stuff. Very enlightening. Alicia Krauss has the news, and we'll do that right after this. Hey, this is Adam Carolla from The Adam Carolla Show. Prediction markets talk outcomes. BetOnline puts odds behind them. For decades, Betters have trusted BetOnline for accurate lines, deep prop markets, and real money action across every major sport. Get the latest odds, live props, in-game betting, and expert pricing throughout the season and beyond. And when you're ready for a different kind of thrill, BetOnline Casino delivers nonstop action and premium rewards. rewards. Don't guess with the crowd. Bet with the book that's been doing it right for years. Bet online. The game starts here. Thanks for tuning into the Adam Carolla Show. You can watch the full show on YouTube. 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Buck Sexton is joining me, which I'm excited about. Good to see you, Buck. You'll be happy to know that I was listening to your appearance on Megyn Kelly's show And then I came in and I said, you know what? We got to get Buck Sexton on this show. And they said he's already booked. I love it. Thank you. The book is called Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination, and Propaganda Against You. And it's the kind of thing that in this sort of chapter in our nation's history, I've just been walking around in a haze, like scratching my head going, what is going on? What is going on? And I realize this is going on. So, Adam, I'm a CIA analyst back in the day by trade. And one thing that we did a fair amount of was studying the radicalization cycle, right? How did you – this goes back to the GWAT era, and I was a desk guy. I mean, obviously, I'm writing a book. I was writing memos back then. But I did get out into the field a bit. I write about it in the book. The first assignment I got was Nigeria because nobody else wanted to go because it's a horrible, horrible part of the country that I was sent to that's just very dangerous and a lot of diseases and bad things going on. and a very big terrorist group, by the way, which became Boko Haram. And then later I was in Iraq and Afghanistan. My point with all that is people going crazy and doing horrible things was something that in the counterterrorism center of the CIA, I had to deal with at a very young age. But then I realized in recent years, well, hold on a second. People have gone nuts in this country, too, over different things and in different ways. But COVID is obviously the example that comes to mind immediately. But then I started to break it down more. And I said, hold on a second. People went nuts over the BLM stuff. Nancy Pelosi kneeling Kente cloth. And I mean, the whole thing was just absurd. Right. People say things like I won't have kids because I'm so worried about climate change. There are these delusions, these politically motivated delusions that take hold even in otherwise liberal Western democracies. And so I wanted to study how this happens. Like, why do people go nuts? And who's making them go nuts for a purpose? Yeah. So my take on this has two kind of stratas. One is, is I call it crate training. You got to get the puppy when they're young and you have to crate train the puppy. You can't crate train an adult dog. So crate training with a dog is the dog, the puppy, the young dog, actually feels safer inside the crate than running around outside of the crate in the house. They feel secure because of it. But it's an illusion of security because if the house catches on fire, you're still in a crate in the living room and you're going up as well. But they want to get hold of the kids. and they figured they used to start at college, but at some point said, why are we getting hold of these kids at college? Some of them may be too old to crate train by the time they get to college and they started moving it into grade school. The other component of this is women are more susceptible to this. They can think that way and they can be altered by sort of feelings and emotions and you know they see the picture of the five-year-old kid in minnesota minnesota with the pajamas on standing next to the ice officer and they go oh my god that child was ripped from the arms of his mother by these brutal ice officers it's easy with a picture it's they did it during covet so the plan was get the moms indoctrinate the moms and the moms will control the household because they are worried about the kids. So it's kind of moms and kids and then left-leaning adult males who I have found in general are more cowards. Have low testosterone. Yes. I'm not – this goes back 30 years for me. I was like, why are these guys such pussies? They didn't have the rough and tumble play. They didn't there's no military stuff. They didn't play football in high school. They didn't box. You know, it's very feminine. So that to me, but to me, it's get hold of the kids and get hold of the moms. It's not going to work on you and me. So a few things. One, Manufacturing Delusions, the book, How the Left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda Against You. And you're covering a few different targets of the brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda. and there's a playbook for this and this is historically and this is what I get back into but I actually want to start with the first thing you said which is dogs you're talking about training dogs the opening chapter of the book is on Pavlov and on conditioning and you have something fascinating historically some would say an accident others would say perhaps coincidence others perhaps more than that you had the beginnings of a scientific understanding of how you can train in a sense, although Pavlov never said it was training. It was actually called the conditional reflex. He didn't use a bell. He used a buzzer or a metronome. There's a lot of stuff in the research for this book that I found out. I mean, even interesting things, by the way, you know lemmings don't commit suicide? That's a complete absurdity, right? Yeah, lemmings do not commit mass suicide. It comes from a Disney documentary, I think made in like the 1960s, where this guy was basically shoveling these like little gerbils over the side of a cliff. to create this narrative? I mean, the whole thing is a lie. Why would animals commit mass suicide? They're animals. It makes no sense. Anyway, with Pavlov's dogs, yeah, these are some of the things you can learn in the book. With Pavlov's dogs, there was a seminal incident in the understanding of brain, body, and essentially the beginnings of what we think of as brainwashing as a process. In 1924, in St. Petersburg, in Pavlov's lab, he's had these dogs. They get them, you know, the salivation occurs. They hear the buzzer, salivation. And so what that tells everybody is, hold on, if your brain is processing certain things, it actually has a physiological response. So that was a revelation at the time. It was like, hold on, this isn't, this is something, and where does that stop and start, and how much can that affect our understanding of science going forward, or how much will it affect it? So the dog's in the lab, the lab is flooding, Adam, and the dogs all think they're going to die. Makes sense, right? They're all barking, shrieking, the water's getting higher and higher. I love dogs, so this story is very upsetting to me. But at the very last minute, the lab technicians are able to break in and save all the dogs. But here's what happened. Some of the dogs, because of the extended trauma, had enormous changes in behavior. Some of the dogs had all of the conditioning that had been built over years completely wiped away. So now, all of a sudden, super traumatic incident. Oh, wait, the conditioning is gone. Almost as if there's a rewriting that's gone on of the mind. So this was a foundational moment of understanding of we can do things to people, in this case dogs, but obviously this applies to human beings as well. if you put them through a certain kind of trauma, a controlled trauma, perhaps, you can rewrite their minds. And this then takes us into the Soviet Union and into Maoist thought reform, which then became known in the United States as brainwashing and then cult indoctrination and this whole series of events that I get into in Manufacturing Delusion. But there is a process here and there are steps and there are tactics that are taken and they occur in this country. You know, it's like I get into confession, for example. Why is confession so important? Why do the Soviets in a trial have somebody come forward and say absurd stuff, right? I did this. I committed these crimes. No one thinks that they committed these crimes. The point is they've so beaten this person down that they're willing to admit to things they know they didn't do because they've either been convinced or they're so scared. And then the rest of the general population feels like, oh, well, I guess I have to be terrified, too. I don't want them to do this to me. This is why the forced confession thing on college campuses happens. It's why you have in the boardroom, you use the wrong pronouns. It's all forms of mind control and coercive persuasion. Yeah, I think what makes it possible, you know, if you think about what you talk about all the fraud that we're uncovering and will be uncovering, you go, well, wow, how's that possible? And you go, well, human greed is kind of baked in. It's sort of the norm. It is very rare that it's not in somebody, you know, and the fear of the crowd and being ostracized and being sort of pushed out of the village is baked into almost everybody and it is very powerful and if you dangle by the way that's why every time they want you to do something it's always the fear of being cast out from the village You know, I could remember when Black Lives Matter was doing their thing and my producer said, you know, tomorrow's the day we're supposed to put the black check box, you know, by your Twitter thing to stand in solidarity with. And I said, I'm not doing that. And he said, yeah, well, you know, I agree with you, but there could be we could get into trouble. You know what I mean? And so always the fear dangling of being pushed out, you know, COVID, Black Lives Matter, rigged election. Are you election denier? Do you deny that election? Are you election denier? Like everything was trying to trip you up so that you could be ostracized, but ultimately pushed out of the village, which is everyone's greatest fear. I mean, it's it's I think most people feared being cast out of the village much more than they feared COVID. Well, yeah. So isolation is actually one of the chapters in manufacturing delusion and isolation as a mind control tactic is exactly it's exactly what you're describing here, which is it can be. And I sort of break this down into if you're a totalitarian, if you have total control of the government society. yes you can use massive amounts of force you can send people to gulags you can do these things but also within a society you can mimic some of these tactics you can make someone feel isolated i mean to the point you're saying about is so yes if you're in maoist china they will lock you physically in a cell and they will make you feel psychologically isolated by saying you know you're you're guilty of wrong think and you're a criminal and all these things but even in our context in America and Western societies, you can feel very isolated. I mean, what is the thing you always hear? And I used to deal with this on the CIA and the intel side of the NYPD. We hear all these people, they felt so isolated. And then they radicalize. That's the identity construction chapter, by the way. They feel isolated. Well, they're not isolated like, you know, they're living in major cities a lot of the time, but their sense is that they're isolated because you can become much more easily molded. You're unmoored from your basic truths, understandings, and realities once you feel like you are closed off from the rest of society. And to your point about, I think I actually get into ostracism. It comes from Ostrakon, which is a piece of clay, and they would vote to kick somebody in ancient Greece, kick them out of the city-state, which was considered a horrible punishment. Because if you're kicked out of your community or society, what are you really? It's like you're relegated to this position of meaninglessness. And the whole idea of a scapegoat as well, right? I mean, a scapegoat is we take all of the sins of the community, and then we have this goat, and we drive it out, and that somehow makes things better for all of us. These are tools of collective and coercive control, and they very much still exist and are still in use, rather, here today. You said about the black... Remember the Seinfeld thing like why won't you wear the ribbon yes right now that's a funny one but but with black lives matter it was you're not going to put up a square do you not care about do black lives not matter to you i mean right this is just coercion 100 and you know it's kind of interesting because you're talking about getting kicked out of the village and you know in olden times it could mean starving or freezing or being eaten by a wolf. But obviously there's where no one's going to starve or get eat by a wolf or freeze necessarily because of Black Lives Matter and COVID and thrown out of the village. But there's a lot of connective tissue from our ancestors that are still here today in the sense that I use this metaphor when you see dogs a house dog and you see the dog walk in a circle a few times and then lay down on the carpet you know and then someone goes why are they walking in a circle it's just carpet just lay down on the carpet and they go well back in the Serengeti the wild dogs of Africa would do that to knock the grass down and then they would lay down yeah they would bed down okay but why is your dog doing it in Sherman Oaks in 2026 well it's ancestors you know it has some of that DNA in them so I would argue that we're not physically getting kicked out of a village anymore but we still have a lot of that circle the carpet before we lay down in us and absolutely and we don't want to be thrown out of that village and it's not because of wolves, but it's just, it's baked in, right? Well, also you can have that public shaming ritual, you know, the old scarlet letter, however you want to go about it. It's instantaneous and digital and now global and forever too. So I think that factors in to the psychology that people have about these things. And there's absolutely a lot of people who I know would take different positions than they do, but they have fear. We all know this. I mean, with the woke stuff, they have fear of the consequences of coming out and speaking the truth about these matters. But Hannah Arendt in The Origins of Totalitarianism and in Manufacturing Delusion, I get into a little bit of this. She talks about atomized subjects. It's really kind of her construct. And she's the great analyst of totalitarianism, specifically Nazi totalitarianism, but also just more broadly. And atomized subjects are people who feel like they are alone and adrift in society, and even though they could be walking around surrounded by people all day long. The point is, it's a psychological sense of separateness, and that that is something that is deeply destabilizing to people and can be preyed upon, and we know it is. I get into some of the cult stuff in the book as well. I mean, the difference between a cult and a totalitarian state is one of resources and force, but many of the processes used to control people psychologically are actually quite similar. And one of them is breaking, I mean, you know, one of the biggest red flags when there's a cult is you have to cut off family members and friends. This is the classic thing. Well, you can't talk to any non-person who isn't a part of this because then you're much more susceptible to the fire hose of fall, so to the propaganda effect. And this is certainly applicable all around us now with the ways that people choose their friends and isolate others because they don't share, because they don't put the black square up or whatever it may be. I mean, I think masking, masking I thought of as conditioning, essentially. It was obedience training. It was you mask not because you think it's going to save you, but you mask to show that you're a good person. It's a little bit like a lot of the climate change stuff you deal with in California, which is, you say you believe in climate change because that's what the good people do. You don't even have to know anything about it. I think it even runs a little bit deeper, which is we don't, I think a lot of the energy is more about Trump derangement syndrome and we know how you vote. So when you say, I just don't think there's any science behind the mask and so I prefer not to wear a mask, what they're hearing is, is I voted for Trump. Oh yeah. And that's where the vitriol and the punishment comes in. If you really just sort of broke the mask down and you kind of isolated it, half the people that were telling me to wear a mask were wearing a paper mask where the strap was twisted. So it created a three quarter inch air gap on both sides of their face. Like I was literally looking at seven eighths of an inch of gap that this crease created because they put on their mask in a haphazard way. And it created a twist in a figure eight, which made it bunch up and create this huge air gap on each side. So the mask part wasn't really so much a spreading an infectious disease part as a show me how you vote and then we will take it from there. And it goes along the lines with many things COVID, almost all things COVID. And that's where the vitriol and the punishment came in. I don't really think they were punishing you for not believing in science, especially since the science was bullshit science and could never be backed up and they never provided any paperwork on it. The same way they wanted to punish you on the lab leak versus the wet market versus the origin story of COVID. If there was no politics connected to that subject of origins, let's just say zero, there was zero politics involved with it. And someone went, I think it came from a wet market from a pangolin. And I said, well, you know, there's a lab up the street from the wet market that works on these such viruses and weaponizing them. In a zero politics environment, that person who lived in Van Nuys or Venice Beach or Santa Monica, California would look at you and go, huh, that's a good thought. You're probably right. I never thought of it that way. But, yeah, probably did. Except for now, in a politicized environment, they want you fired. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Again, in Manufacturing Delusion, there's a chapter on identity construction, which gets into a lot of this, which is the desire to be a part of the collective, even at the expense of common sense, of course, right away. Because what's more important to a lot of people, to borrow from Solzhenitsyn, as long as they're safe and warm and fed, it's all the same to them, right? And they feel like with that group, they'll be safe and warm and fed, and therefore common sense, which you can identify. I mean, you're talking about people that have the mask gaps. Remember the people that were cutting the holes in the mask to play the trombone or the oboe, whatever it was? No person could actually make an argument, or even when I would look at people and say, so you're gonna make me, I'm at the table, I'm in a tiny restaurant in New York City, I'm gonna get up, I'm gonna go to the bathroom, but you want me to put the mask on for the walk to the bathroom because you think that's making people safer? I mean, you can't actually believe that, right? You'd have to be a truly, you'd have to have an IQ of like 60 to think that that makes any sense. But the point wasn't, and so I completely agree with this, the point wasn't about the science. The point was about showing that you belong and showing that you're part of the good team. And that's what I mean by obedience training. And I'll say this, we don't have a lot of gun control debates in the country these days. They were a lot bigger in the Obama years. It comes up here and there. But that's one place where I always point out to people, you can see this, they don't care. Journalists, CNN, you name it, they can say, remember the chainsaw bayonet on USA Today? Like that was added to an AR-15. You could have a chainsaw bayonet. And every gun owner, I mean, I've got an AR sitting with here in the studio, was just saying, like I've never even heard of that, but that sounds really cool. It didn't matter that the people commenting know nothing about guns, they're idiots on the second amendment, they don't understand the first thing, all that matters is they're showing their audience constantly, I'm not one of the bad people who likes guns. So it doesn't, so their ignorance is completely irrelevant. The identity construction of I'm one of the good people overrides all these other considerations. And that's how they get to the place of a manufactured delusion. I mean, it's for a purpose that they believe this nonsense. Yeah. It reminds me of a joke I do on stage once in a while, which is mask up in between bites. Remember when we heard that? Oh, yeah. which is in a way even more bizarre than put your mask on on the way to the bathroom before you get back to your bowl of pasta. The mask up in between bites is insane. And I would say as a joke, it makes as much sense as a highway safety campaign that says belt up in between lights. It literally actually be safer belting up in between lights than you would masking. masking in between bites is a zero in terms of spreading disease belting up in between lights might help that's all yeah so the the thing i wanted to ask you about as it leads to all this and maybe it's a little self-congratulatory for you and me but i talked to gutfeld about this for a while he found it interesting and so i made me think it may have been interesting i started putting this theory together that you have the true believers with this stuff and then you have just masses, just throngs of people who don't want to be ostracized or fired or thrown out of their community or whatever wished out into the cornfield as I like to say if you a Twilight Zone fan So you know how many people actually thought it was dangerous to walk on the beach in Southern California during COVID I think if you would have said to most people, it's illegal to walk on the beach during COVID, but you can go ahead and do it. We'll make an exception for you. Most people would do it because they wouldn't think it was dangerous, just like Gavin Newsom didn't think eating at the French Laundry was dangerous. He went, he decreed, you can't go out to eat, but he didn't think it was dangerous. So mostly it's us wanting to not get into trouble. You know, I knew a woman who cut hair and she did women's hairstyles and they shut her business down and she met every one of these same women in her garage and did bootleg haircuts. Now, women, including Nancy Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi, most women during COVID cared way more about their hair than dying of COVID. So are they true believers? Because if you're a true believer, you let your hair go for a few months. And the same with the mayor of Chicago, Lori Lightfoot. But you got – so I – my first thesis is they don't believe, but they do go along. And they're very dutiful about it. And the long way around this one is – that I've sounded gut felt about is I think people that are really good at what they do don't care. The middle of the road people care a lot because you're vulnerable and you could be fired. if you are really excellent at what you do whatever that is then you don't really care like you know I was talking to Tucker Carlson about it and he said yeah when I when he was 29 and had young kids and was new reporter at x y and z station he said he would have sucked it up and played by the rules he couldn't afford being fired it was too vulnerable for him to get fired later on you get millions of bucks, you get good at what you do and you go, fuck you, fire me. I'll just go start my own sub stack. You know what I mean? Or I'll do, or I'm just too good. You, you need me. You can't, you can't fire me. I'm Lawrence Taylor. I'll do Coke all night, bang a hooker. I'll show up Sunday, get three sacks, go ahead and fire me. They're not going to do it. So I think everyone lives in the middle and all the people that live in the middle will obey. Well, yeah, this is, this is herd mentality. And actually, you use the phrase true believer. I mean, there's Eric Hoffer's book, The True Believer, is still, I think, one of the seminal and most important works on this. And it goes to a lot of these issues, like why is it within a crowd that you can mobilize people around certain things, around certain slogans? Gustave Le Bon, who was a French guy, who also did the crowd, basically a study of the popular mind and mass formation, they look into this, And it does go back to the core issues we talked about of feeling safe, feeling a part of the, you know, we are social beings as creatures. Civilization is built on people, you know, working together in some form of community. But that doesn't mean that you should double mask because or double mask in the showers, I used to say, because why not? because Fauci tells you to, people abandoning their faculties en masse and then only regaining them one by one is a very dangerous thing for a society. And it does happen. I mean, I'll tell you, the second chapter of manufacturing delusion is called menticide. And again, I went to do this. I sort of did all the research on all the guys who are the best, who have done the most important work on this. And then I broke it down by their area of focus, whether it's brainwashing or it's menticide or its identity construction and looked at this. But the menticide chapter is this guy, Joost Merlew, who debriefs, he was a psychiatrist. He was evading the Nazis in the Netherlands in the Second World War. He makes it to England and he becomes essentially a part of the PSYOP operation against the Nazis and then eventually debriefs Nazis who were actually brought into custody. And one of his things was, look, yes, of course, the Nazis had this massive war machine and they're doing all these horrific things and these crimes against humanity. He says, but in terms of propaganda, in terms of Goebbels, in terms of what these individuals were doing in the messaging, this is actually very easy to replicate in any society. And so his whole thing was, you need to be menticide, meaning killing of the mind. You need to be on guard against this because it goes to the Pavlovian of the lizard brain and wanting to be safe and wanting to be part of the community. It goes to our desire to have other people often tell us what the answers are, to have people explain to us. And this stuff in a modern era of instant social media and the gratification of likes and all these things going on, and now with AI, the technology to engage in mass brainwashing is more powerful than ever before. I don't think the COVID craziness, for example, we've talked a fair amount about COVID, but I don't think the COVID craziness would have been possible without a social media that was an echo chamber of the Fauci-ite narrative, because it was just constantly being reinforced and everything else was being suppressed all the time. So you were carrying around, essentially, these little propaganda devices in your hand, I mean, all of us with our phones or with our laptops or whatever it may be. And this is only going to get worse in a period where now, I mean, I gotta be honest with you. I don't know if you ever had this problem with your show, but you know, when I'm doing radio with Clay, sometimes I look at something and I have to go like, is this AI? And that was never before you could always tell. I mean, but now these things are going to be proliferate and they're going to get sophisticated enough that the unreality that can be used to program people is, is very, is very real. I mean, it was when Stalin comes into power, they realize, you know, it works really well posters everywhere. We're going to put posters, millions and millions of posters everywhere with the peasants, with the sickle and the whole thing. And sure enough, we're way beyond posters now, my friends. And we have a constant firehose of propaganda that we're giving to people on us, essentially, or rather we're engaging with and also surveilling ourselves in the process. So I find that very, very disconcerting as well, especially when you have, I mean, our last Democrat administration, Biden, they wanted to set up a disinformation czar. Yeah. She had a snappy song about it, too. We called her a Marxist Mary Poppins, by the way. It was fun. Yeah, that was awesome. I found it to be rich that the people that just lied about COVID for four years were worried about disinformation and misinformation, which is kind of an interesting component for them because they don't have a reverse gear. They only have full steam ahead. They never, ever, like, pause and go, you know what? And by the way, which shows they're not intellectually honest and not even looking for a semblance of the truth. Because here's the thing. When you're lying, you have to think about it sort of psychologically, Buck. If you are telling, if you're attempting the truth, you know what I mean? When whatever it is, it could be your relationship with your wife. It could be the relationship with your kids. And it could be your relationship with your neighbors or society. When you are going for the truth or trying to, when your goal is the truth, then you would say, honey, the plumber is going to be coming here at three o'clock and I need to be home to let the plumber in and deal with the plumber. and then she'd go, I don't think the plumber's coming until five o'clock. I'll be home from work. And they go, no, no, it's coming at three. 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And TV shows like Survivor, Spongebob Squarepants, The Fairly Odd Parents, and Ghosts. Pluto TV is always free. Huzzah! Pluto TV. Stream now. Pay never. Yes, and this is, in Menticide, in my book Manufacturing Delusion, I get into this specifically, Adam, with the, according to Miraloo, the twin pillars. I mean, there's a lot of layers, and there's sort of the whole process, which I get into in the book. But the twin pillars are confusion and degradation. So if you want to control someone's mind, you keep people confused, and then the degradation is forced lying, essentially constantly forcing people. You go, oh, wait, I don't know what's going on, and what are we really talking about here? And it's, no, you have to repeat the required slogan. And I take this into, I mean, you want to talk about how this affects us today. I mean, the trans thing is the most obvious example of this. they want you to say that's not a penis or that is a vagina when it is a penis assigned at birth isn't even true I don't know what that means you have kids, right? I've got a kid you know if it's a boy or a girl months before the birth if you want to, because they can tell with the ultrasound assigned at birth is itself a lie on top of being incredibly stupid but to your point about adherence to the herd and they want to be part of the collective, you have to, as a Democrat, actually go forward and say, and I even said this on Bill Maher's show, and people kind of pretended like, I don't even know what you're talking about. You can't say things like men have a biological advantage over women in sports. You can't even say things like, it is impossible to transition from a man to a woman. It is not a physiologically possible thing to do. And, you know, we play sometimes, you've seen the South Park, right? The Macho Man Randy Savage thing, where he's like, I'm not here to talk about my transition. He's like in a women's athletic competition and he's all, you know, roided up and macho man from back in the day. And the whole point of the Democrats meant aside is to look at this and say macho man is, in fact, a woman. You know, that is a woman indistinguishable from other women. And you're a bigot if you will not go. What could be more degrading to the truth than this? The most obvious lies. Well, I have thoughts. yeah one thing that's always funny about the left is when you repeat things they say back to them they go that's nuts and it's like I know that's what I'm saying and then they go I've never said that it's like Gavin Newsom going I've never said Latinx or Latinx that's nuts no one would ever do they always do the nobody we never did by the way it means your party is nuts if people repeat things to you that your party espouses constantly and you shoot it down as nuts. It also means you're nuts when you go transition, the government paying for illegal prisoners to transition. I'm not for that anymore. Or banning fracking. I'm not for that anymore. Like, you're not for a bunch of stuff you were for when you were 52 years old? Like, what does that even, by the way, what's that make your mind? All the crazy flip-flopping. This is why you see this guy Tallarico in Texas, right, who just won the Democrat primary. I think it's funny to watch people realize he's crazier than Crockett. Like the Crockett situation, you know where she's coming from on this stuff. She's getting headlines. She's getting attention for herself. She's auditioning for a show on MS Now or The View or, you know, whatever. Right. Doing fine with that. But you see this guy, Tallarico, he is a New York Times leftist's version of what a Texas Bible thumper should say. Right. Meaning this guy is absurd. He's talking about how the Bible justifies and demands abortion for transgender people. I mean, he's just trying. He's folding it all in. This is like the Kamala thing as well. Remember Kamala said that and then she was thrown against her in the election. She said that we need to have taxpayer-funded abortion, I think, for transgenders or taxpayer-funded transgender surgeries or something completely insane. And it was like, well, she didn't say that. No, she did. She did, actually, because she's required to. She said for illegals in prison. Illegals in prison, that's right. It's a lot worse than your stepsister getting a tax-funded transition. This is illegals in prison should get tax funded. Right. So they say crazy things and then they have to try to run away from those crazy things. And then if you're like Bill Maher, you have to go, please, nobody ever said that. And there's tons of footage of those guys saying this is Gavin Newsom is going to drive you insane. When he's running for president with this one, because it's all going to be. Look, I think this issue is just really complicated and it's just about emotions on both sides. He's going to do the roundabout, pablum, never actually get to anything, just maybe unbutton the shirt one more button and look at the ladies in the audience. He's just so full of it because he can't upset the base by saying what the normal, rational person would say. But he also knows he has no hope of fooling the majority if he doesn't play this tiptoe dance around thing, right? Especially on the transition. on the trans issue. They haven't walked away from that at all, which has been pretty remarkable. I think that this is going to be, this is going to be Democrats continuing on this. And even where the trans surgery for kids stuff, which this is really, I mean, this is demonic. This stuff is really bad that's been going on here. The top surgeries for, for young girls, you know, and everything. And, and now medicine and people are coming forward from, from inside of the medical community. And they're saying exactly what you and I were saying about the, the, the need to be part of the collective and the, you know, the marching with the demanded slogans and the degradation of reason, all in Manufacturing Delusion, my book laid out so we will understand this, that's occurring within the medical community. Oh, yeah. And not just on the COVID stuff, that's occurring when it comes to this transgender care stuff where doctors are terrified of not doing the evil and life altering stuff that the left demands they do. And now, I mean, you imagine you're going to turn around and say, you know what, we were wrong. that whole time. Think of the lawsuits which have already started. Think of the moral implications of this. So they have to keep fighting on this hill and we have to just keep fighting back with the truth. Well, one of the great disappointments of my adult life, especially with COVID, was how corrupted the major medical organizations became and Fauci and Rochelle Walensky and WHO and And even out here, Barbara Ferrer, you know, health minister out here and JAMA and all the major publications just started folding and printing lies. They immediately got into lockstep. And I would have not suspected that. I would suspect that from People magazine, but not from JAMA, you know. And I had no idea how susceptible they all were to this, but it now makes me suspicious of anybody with a title or an official organizational name in front of it. But I think the part about the transition and the man can be a woman and a woman can be a man, and I'm curious your take on this. It is something like you sort of look at it and we go, because we're too old to be crate trained, right? So we look at it and we go, wow, this is amazing. You've convinced most of society that a man can become a woman and a woman can become a man or is a man or gender assigned at birth, which is up there with mask up in between bites or why don't the rich pay their fair share? It makes it's a lie. I don't know what it doesn't make any sense. and and also the fact that I was talking to Dr. Drew about it and he was like it's insane that we could get so many people to believe this and I said no it's even more diabolical most people don't believe it but they're scared to say otherwise which is more to your point Buck but I sort of think of it this way which is if we can get this one across the finish line if we can argue about a man, a woman, and gender assigned at birth, then everything is on the table for arguing. Because there's no more profound base subject than this. This is like the next thing they're going to argue against is they're going to call gravity racist. And then we're going to have a serious discussion about is gravity racist or not. Like it is literally the building blocks of our civilization. And we can argue about that. And by the way, once they win that argument, then, you know, good people on both sides or he said inject bleach. It's all deep fake, cheap fake. Biden's got a stutter. Kamala needed more time to win over the American people. It's all on the table now. No, this is a central thesis, not just of my book, Manufacturing Delusion, which I hope your audience will get. It's a New York Times bestseller. I think they'll really enjoy the read. I would also say this is a thesis running through our show on radio, Clay and Buck show, and something we talk about frequently, which is that if they can get you to lie on this, they've got you. And it does go to menticide. It goes to the degradation of reason. You know, OK, so here's an example of this. The when they were doing and this comes from the work of a guy named Robert Lifton, who went and met with people during the Cultural Revolution in China, which people should know far more about. I tell people things like 40 to 60 million people died in China in like the early 1960s from a self-inflicted famine. And people were like, no way. I'm like, no, it's about, you know, depends on which historian you want to go. but it's tens of millions of people in our grandparents' generation. I mean, this isn't very long ago. People have no idea. And the Cultural Revolution, how they use students in particular. You mentioned young people, you know, who were the most aggressive little commissars, little street dogs of the Cultural Revolution, of course. A lot of them were the young university and even high school and even younger students who would beat their teachers and sometimes even beat them to death up on stage in front of chanting crowds. And this was all part of of of the Maoist brainwashing or thought reform program that they had. But Lifton Lifton talks about they grab these people, Westerners in this case, he did these deep dive interviews with them after they escaped. Right. And he has them and they have them write these lengthy confessions. And and at first they resist. And I just think that this takes you to the psychological processes that a lot of us feel going on in this country, whether it's the trans thing, use the right pronouns, be courteous. At first, people resist. They're like, no, I didn't do anything. You guys have arrested me. You say I'm guilty of treason. You didn't do anything. And then they come in and they beat them with truncheons and they deny them food for a few days. And then they come back in and you go, all right, tell me what I need to say. And then they beat you and they don't know. That's not acceptable. You have to come up with it yourself. And then you come up with with some version of, OK, fine. Here are the crimes that I committed. And you think, all right, they'll finally accept this. And then they come back and they beat you and they lock you because it's not sincere enough. Right. They make you go through this process over and over. And why do they make you write out over and over again crimes that they know you didn't do, that you know you didn't do? It is to undermine your basic sense of reason to show that they own you. And I understand that they're not beating you with truncheons and mandating that you use the preferred pronouns, everyone. But guess what? calling a he a she day in and day out at your office is bending the knee and degrading your sense of reason it is a control tool it is not about courtesy that's why they're so into this and it does go to this whole the supreme court decision that came down adam no one even talked about this because yes okay we've got a war bombing campaign with iran there's important stuff happening supreme court had it come down your home state of california not that you're like responsible for all the things California does. Your state, Adam. But, you know, in California, they were hiding from parents that kids were transitioning in school as school policy? You want to talk about breaking down the essential bond of civilization, which is the family. They're going to put the family in a position where the state is not only going to promote transitions, hide it from parents, but we all know the next step is, oh, if you're parents, and then you don't affirm the transition, we're going to take your kids from you. What greater power can they have than that? Well, so there's a couple of questions, and then I have a theory that I'm interested in you weighing in on. But you talk to people and you go, to what end? What is in it for these people to pursue this? How does it benefit them? And I think that some people get into politics because they see garbage and potholes and homelessness and they go, I want to fix this. And then other people get into it because they go, I want power. And they never announce when they're running, they want power, but you can kind of tell the ones that wanted power by how they reacted to COVID. Because telling somebody as a governor, like when you govern, when you tell someone to do something that makes sense, it's not, it is true you're telling them to do it, but it doesn't necessarily mean you're doing it for the sake of power. You know, so if you say to your kid, you want dessert? And they go, yes, I want dessert. Then you go, finish your homework, then we'll give you the dessert. And they go, okay. That's, you're in charge, but you're not doing it for the sake of being in charge. But if you say to your kid, you want dessert? And they go, yes. And then you go, okay go outside and walk around that telephone pole three times and then come back and I give you dessert Well that you just exercising power So Gavin Newsom saying you know in COVID times wash your hands. Okay, maybe that'll have some effect. But closing down beaches and then going to the French laundry, that's you just flexing your muscle. And I found that the blue cities and the blue states were the ones who wanted to, they wanted to take their power out for a cannonball run. Like you're in charge of this city, but you work on a lot of boring stuff like waste management and union stuff and road maintenance. When do you really get to take this baby out and open it up? You know what I mean? Like you get a Corvette, but you're just sitting in traffic. You know what I mean? But when can I make that bonsai run to Vegas? And then COVID came around and all the power hungry people that were in charge started flexing that muscle. There were a lot of jokes that I and others were making at the time about some some variation of during COVID. Oh, this is like our trial run of communism or this is the communism that was sent with samples of Tide in the mail. This was essentially the closest that we have come, but much more so than post 9-11, I might add, when a lot of people were like, oh, our civil liberties and everything else. That was not anywhere near the kinds of the fact that churches were shut down and there were so little, so little protest about that during COVID. I found outrageous, honestly, while, of course, while the weed stores are open. So I guess you could pray to a different kind of God. But the realities of the Democrat Party, I think, were laid bare. And people could say, oh, it's not partisan. No, I mean, I view it as deeply partisan, actually, because in every case where there was someone who was willing to stand up in a position of authority against that madness, it was almost universally Republicans. I mean, some divides are real, right? I mean, we can recognize in other countries that there are political entities that are wrong about basically everything, and there are political entities that are imperfect, but at least get some things right. And I think that the Democrat Party, certainly of the last 20 years or so, has gone insane. That's why I wrote Manufacturing Delusion. I think it is in the grips of a series of politically motivated delusions. I think that this is something that they won't be able to grapple with, to your point, because if nothing else, one of the biggest this was one of my best calls during covid was that I kept telling everybody, you don't understand. It doesn't matter how wrong they are and how much they and we suffer, because what's most important is that they don't have to admit that Billy Bob in Oklahoma on Facebook was right about natural immunity and the Washington Post editorial board was wrong. That is the great red line for them was that they can't admit that the other people that they culturally and just generally look down upon were smarter and braver in the face of this true challenge to our freedom than any of them were. It's also, by the way, why I basically don't take any libertarians, at least like professional libertarians, seriously, because I was looking around during this whole thing and I did not see any of them chaining themselves to the front door of of the CDC. It felt like a lot of them were kind of MIA. Not all of them. I'm sure some of them I know them will get angry at me. But you're right about how we saw who really wants to wield power for its sake. And there's deep psychological roots, I think, to why there are people who want to be in charge of other people. and there are people who also want to be controlled. Yes. A lot of people don't yearn for freedom. And this is the scary thing. And you saw that during COVID. People want Fauci telling them who can come to their house, when they can go to work, what they can do. There are people who yearn for that because freedom is actually frightening to them. And I think we certainly, we see that in a whole range of contexts in this country. It was definitely true during COVID. Yeah. You know, when you're lost out in the woods, and you have no idea what direction safety or civilization is, you want somebody to stand up and say, I know where safety is, follow me, and marching in that direction. The scariest thing is when everyone's looking at each other going, I have no idea what direction to go. That freaks people out. And most people would choose a guy who said, I know where safety is, follow me, even if you just hiked until everyone died and froze to death and nobody ever found safety, they still need that element. That's kind of the crate in the crate training part. You know, the dog feels vulnerable laying out in this vast expanse of this living room and feels much safer in this confined crate. So I do agree with you. like many and most would like to be led, which is scary because it feels very anti-American. And then there are sadly a bunch of people who govern who got in it to control people. And it's kind of interesting that the more democratic leaning cities and states attract the people who want to be led and the people who want to lead, even if it's in the wrong direction for no reason. And it was pretty interesting. You were talking about Bill Maher earlier. There was a clip that I always get back to, which is Jane Fonda, who's, I don't know. I don't know. She's just going to enter. She's her and Robert De Niro are going to have to go into some sort of when they do the in memoriam for those two. They're going to have to have a little crackpot disclaimer at the bottom of the academy for those two. But she was sitting with Bill Maher and Bill was just sort of explaining that, you know, California is over-regulated and it's just, and she literally said she didn't think there was enough. And that's an interesting perspective because you make millions of dollars, you pay millions in taxes, you live in the most regulated place. possibly on the planet, not just in the United States. And you believe that there's not enough regulation. She's telling you that you didn't mask up hard enough. Remember that? It's never enough. It's never enough taxation. It's never enough regulation. It's never enough obedience, because that's always the direction that they can push in without having to take accountability for the failures. Even in a situation when they start getting really radical, Soros-funded prosecutor in different cities, and more people are getting shot, and more old ladies are being beat by maniacs with lead pipes who have been let out of prison a hundred times. You know what we're always told? We're not investing enough in the community. This is always, well, how about we just keep people safe, and then we figure out what these vague community investments are supposed to be? They have a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. There's never a willingness to step back and say, you know, maybe we've erred here. Maybe we've we've made a wrong choice, gone down a wrong pathway. And I've I've seen no moderation of the Democrat Party since the 2024 election whatsoever on these issues. I mean, on the border, they will admit that they screwed up, but they'll only admit it in the context of we messed up so fast and made it so obvious that we're an open borders party that even the slow part of the classroom kind of figured this out enough that we got our asses kicked in the election. The next time around, they'll just go back to pretending that, oh, we have a broken system and we need to figure out how to fix the system. They speak in always these very vague terms. And I might note, and in my book, Manufacturing Delusion, I get into this and Hoffer's and LeBond's version of how crowds like to gather around emotional impulses and vague phraseology, right? Which is why Black Lives Matter is such a—for the purposes of crowd mobilization, it's a brilliant—of course, of course Black Lives Matter. And the same thing you saw with climate change, by the way, where it turned into, do you believe in climate change, which was always a bizarre formulation for something that's supposed to be scientific. And it also came full circle with the world shut down for a couple of weeks during COVID in the very, very beginning. And I think there was like a 15 percent reduction in CO2. So if you forced everybody pretty much into their homes, no cars on the road, you might reduce CO2 emissions 15 percent. I mean, you could basically collapse civilization and you would do nothing to stop the CO2 emissions that we currently need to survive. So that whole ideology also was just the whole thing was was was farcical. It was preposterous the whole time. And yet in California, I bet you still have tons of regulations and all the stuff going on in New York where I used to live. The same thing. They will not admit defeat because to admit you're wrong about one thing would mean that you could be wrong about other things. better to live in the world of manufactured delusion. And that's what we call a tease in the business. Well, I'll play you the Jane Fonda clip. The thing that's also crazy about the Jane Fondas, but we went all the way through COVID with this, which is she originally made her bones by railing against the government, the man. She made her bones by going to Vietnam and siding with the North Vietnamese versus the U.S. government, but at some point, she wants us to now take everything the U.S. government says is gospel and listen to them, as long as Biden and her people are in charge. This is her talking about regulation on Bill Maher. He doesn't like regulations. Well, we live in a soup of toxic chemicals. If we don't regulate it, we're all going to die of cancer. That's true. And he doesn't do anything about it. There's also many regulations that aren't necessary, that aren't. I mean, you really don't believe that the state we live in, California, is lacking regulation. There's over 300,000 regulations. I mean, I once— Well, maybe they're needed. They're not. When I tried to put in a garage door, I had to have three inspections. There should have been none. I should be allowed to change my garage door. Are you kidding? Really? It was about a garage door? Absolutely. I'm sorry. Yeah, that is... No, you know this about California. Come on. No, I don't. Well... I'm sorry. I don't. You don't... You've never heard that California is overtaxed and overregulated? That we are a one-party state where there's sort of no checks on that sort of extreme leftism? And why do you think... I don't for a minute consider California a state that is extreme leftist. not at all not any way well that shows where your politics are that's not where mine she wants more regulation in california yeah she was awesome right we can't build a unit for a homeless person because it's a million dollars for 400 square feet and she wants more regulation now so no they don't learn they live in some sort of hived off cocoon where they learn nothing One thing before we bring this home, Buck, is, and I've been bringing it up a lot, I'll play you a clip from Trigonometry, which is a podcast, pretty popular. You may have been on it. I've been on it a couple of times. There's a Helen Andrews woman. I think I'm getting her name right. who she's been sort of out there explaining that a lot of what we're experiencing is some people, and I would call it gyno-fascism, but it's a sort of thing where women think differently than men, and thus we're going to get different outcomes. And you were talking moments ago about sort of phrases and feelings, but it's a way it's not exactly what you're talking about in your book manufacturing delusion but it does explain some of it and we'll i'll play the clip and and one of the most consistent psychological differences between men and women is women have a strong uh impulse of caring right which is exactly i mean i'm not somebody who looks to evolutionary biology for the solutions to all human phenomena, but this particular one does seem glaringly Darwinian, right? That women see helpless things and they want to take care of them. That is definitely something that Darwin would find a pretty easy explanation for. But that's also something that wokeness can easily weaponize. It means that if you can frame your political issue as a way of caring for some helpless class, then you're golden, right? Minorities are babies. That's right. But that is precisely what's going on at a deeper level. And that's why it's been so effective. And one of the- Right. So like during COVID, I would go, I want my kids to go to school. I don't want the school closed down. What about the elderly grandparents that your children live with? How about, and I was like, what are we in Italy in 1929? I'm in La Cunada. What grandparents? No one lives with their grandparents. But it's like, do you care about the people and that, you know, no one's illegal? There's a strong sort of what about the children? These minorities, they come here, they're hardworking, they have a dream and you want to spit on them. It's all this weird, but there's a kind of a feminine overtone to it, which is the opposite of, you know, General Patton or General MacArthur basically going, look, we're planning D-Day. acceptable casualties, maybe between 20 and 30,000 Marines. You know what I mean? Like you're actually going, we're just, we know we're going to waste a bunch of 19-year-olds, but we'll capture this island and then we'll drop a nuke on Japan. Like it is the opposite of that. It's a, remember when, I think it was de Blasio, but it could have been Cuomo, New York. Like if one person dies of COVID, that's too bad. What do you mean if one person dies, you idiot? You just killed 10,000 old people in nursing homes. What do you mean if one person dies? So there's a kind of a, some of this is affected by the influx of females in these positions, mayor, city council, governors, and things of that nature. And it's not a pejorative. It's just a different approach. I had a much different approach to COVID than most any woman I knew. Yes, we have different risk tolerance. And something that, again, I wrote about in Manufacturing Delusion is there's a woman who wrote a book. She's a scientist, and this is what she studies, a book on testosterone. and it gets into how testosterone makes incredibly powerful differences, not just in physicality, which, by the way, a lot of the middle-aged guys that people are seeing now on TV, everyone sees RFK Jr. It's so funny to me. RFK Jr. is so opposed to big pharma. He's a walking test tube, everybody. I hate to break the news to you. A lot of pharma going on with RFK Jr. I'm not hating on it. He looks great, but I'm just saying. The guy's not there because he's eating so much chicken breast. testosterone makes a huge difference in risk tolerance and aggression and all of these things. And so men and women are just going to be. Now, there are higher testosterone women and there are, you know, you get into tomboys and this sort of thing. But in general, there's going to be enormous differences. And that manifests itself as well in leadership style. It manifests itself in decision making. People like to believe that it's so hard for women to rise to the top of corporate hierarchies because of sexism. Well, there's actually going to be a lot of the time more consensus thinking, consensus seeking from a female mindset than you will have in a male aggressive competitive mindset. I'm not saying there aren't women CEOs who are super cutthroat and everything else. Just saying when you're looking at things in the aggregate, this is very obvious. And in terms of governance, there's been a clear campaign of delegitimizing what you talked about, which is like the cold, hard look at reality of like, how do we make people safer? Like, how much money can we spend? What makes sense in this city, in this state, whatever it may be, with why don't we just let everyone come here from all over the world and just like pay for all their stuff because that's a nice thing to do? Yeah, nobody's illegal. Everyone wants to be treated with dignity. these people come here they deserve to be treated with dignity they deserve to have a seat at the table and i'm not going to take their children and rip them from their arms crying and throw them in a cage everything is this sort of weird sort of emotional manipulation i know totally gynoperbole i think i'll i think i took hyperbole i think i invented gynoperbole which is women just going And like way I'll play you one last clip, which is just the other day from they had the Senate hearings with Tim Walls and AG in there. And they were so the Republicans said, let's get some of these folks from Minnesota. Let's put them up and let's grill them and try to figure out where the billions of dollars went. Let's see if we can get some answers for them wasting billions of dollars. So that's what the Republicans did. The Democrats said, why don't we get a female reverend to come in and talk about ICE? And I recorded this from my TV set because I didn't know if we could find it online or not. So it's a little bit wanky, but you'll get the idea. We're here to talk about fiscal corruption and waste and mismanagement of taxpayers' money in Minnesota. And this is what we end up with from the Democrats. And when he knew when it comes to Minnesota fraud and when it comes to the committee Democrats and their witness, they seem to really only want to talk about ICE. my eight-year-old struggles to sleep at night because she is afraid ice agents might break into our house all right you can pause it there you're a white middle-aged woman with blonde hair you have an eight-year-old who can't sleep at night because the eight-year-old is worried about ice breaking in to your suburban home somewhere outside of Minneapolis and disappearing them. By the way, A, that's a lie. That's up there with Rochelle Walensky talking about her stupid son who wanted to go to camp, but he couldn't go to camp because they weren't vaccinated or whatever the hell she was lying about. But that first off, you're doing a piss poor job as a mom if you're scaring the shit out of your eight-year-old kids so much so that they can't go to bed at night because they, as a Caucasian American citizen, think they're going to be snatched up by ICE. But this is the argument. This is the emotional argument. As a mom, my child, and then all of us are supposed to go, you're right, let's get ICE out of there and let the illegals continue their crime spree. Yeah, of course. You can, yeah, we'll hear it one more time just because it makes me laugh. Many Democrats in their witness, they seem to really only want to talk about ICE. My eight-year-old struggles to sleep at night because she is afraid ICE agents might break into our house. Okay, by the way, you're going to stop. By the way, do you have to check your notes for that statement? You have to look down twice at your notes for saying your eight-year-old is autistic or paranoid or you're a liar or you're a piss-poor. This is either you're the shittiest mom on the planet Or you're lying your ass off Or your 8 year old is severely autistic Those are the three You can choose one You can get rid of her now I can only co-sign your astute analysis Adam and tell everyone to please go get Manufacturing Delusion It's actually a really good book That's been the main feedback People are like wow it's actually good And I'm like oh I'm not just a radio guy I can write too And I wrote the book And I greatly appreciate you having me on man Thank you so much congrats on all your success and keep it strong in California you're the last of a dying breed there people that can see the sky is blue two plus two equals four there aren't that many of you give my love to Clay and I look forward to talking to you guys on your program soon absolutely anytime thanks Adam Buck Sexton everybody all right we'll take a break we will come back with Alicia Krause and do the news right after this O'Reilly auto parts. 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I do like to stay at Dr. Drew's condo because it's free. But, you know, we have to pay for the cleaning. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Heaven forbid. That's like an Airbnb. Yeah. But it's nice. I do realize as I get older, like, Airbnbs are fun when you have a group of people. Yes. And condos are fun. Like, it's fun. because normally you come home for the show or from the event and you go you get in the elevator and you go i'm on the seventh floor i'm the fourth floor okay see ya i'll be seeing the lobby you know whatever but this time you go back you have a drink you watch tv yeah it's kind of yeah kind of like it i get that with a big group it's nice but i also i stayed at a hotel a week ago or so in florida and it's nice to have somebody else make the bed you know you come back with fresh towels and a nicely made bed and a little chocolate on the pillow That not chocolate That guy wiped his ass with that Here a question It at Ritz dark chocolate It a good here a question I do not like the people coming in and making up the room in between me being there and me leaving. Does it feel like a violation of your personal space or what's the reasoning? It feels, so, okay. I will, I'm trying to think, if I am alone, I will stay in a room an indefinite amount of time before I will take the do not disturb off the thing. I don't, I, if it's two days, I'll do three days, whatever, standing on my head. I have no thoughts about it. Now, once in a while, I might say, could I get a couple coffee packets or something? But for me, especially where I come from, beds were never made. We didn't have a top sheet. There was no comforters, no dust duvet cover, anything ruffled, dust ruffled. So I like my bed unmade. Yeah. Because to make it means I have to sort of undo it to get back into it. So the bed's a zero. My stuff is kind of strewn about. Oh, you're not an organized traveler? Not so much with the drawer. A towel, I feel like I can use a towel, air dry it, and use it again for six years. Oh, I do that at home because you're clean when you get out of the shower. That's what I do. But I'm saying at a hotel, it's nice to be like, get me a fresh towel. Even though they leave those signs that say it's bad for the environment. I realize I have a general poor wiring for having people do stuff for me. Like I don't – the other day my girlfriend was like making eggs or something. And she said, you want some eggs? And I was like, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. And then she made eggs and then she left and then I got up and made eggs. And I was like, why don't you just take the eggs? And I realize, because my default wiring is going, no, no, no, no, I got it. I got it. I got it. Like if I was carrying something or doing something, someone goes, you need a hand. I'd always go, no, I got it. I got it. But that's my deep. I just say, I got it. I don't know why I would say that. So it's like the maid coming in and picking up the towel off the floor. I go, no, come on. I can do that myself. I just have a thing. There's a little invasion. Like a little sense of. You know they see some crazy stuff. Yeah, I got some cash laying around or something. I wish I had cash laying around. No, I will gut it out in that room for as long as I have to. And then when I leave, I get very anal about taking the do not disturb thing off because I don't want them to think I'm in there when I'm heading to the airport. When you're already gone. Yes. Do you take the time to check out? I don't ever do that anymore. No, I don't. I don't know that that's a – I don't even know how that works anymore. Right? The other thing that's funny about – Everything gets emailed to you. It's on an app. Like you see your Marriott points, you know. The other thing that's funny about the hotel is I never know – they got the little snack bar in the kiosk like down by the front desk. Sometimes I'll grab a water and I'll go walk up to the front desk and no one's there. And I go, all right, I'll just walk to my room with it. And they don't really seem to care. Like the little cafe set up. Like it's like a concession stand. Here's what I would say. Do not steal things. But you can walk up to one of those things at almost any time, get a Bud Light and walk down the hall with it. No one will ever stop you or say anything. There's not anybody at the front desk. Anyway. All right. News. What do you got? On to some news. I'm interested to see this. I have not watched this video yet. But Nancy Mace was grilling Tim Walls, our favorite governor and VP candidate for president, over the Minnesota autism spending during a fraud hearing that occurred earlier this week. The tense moment unfolded during the Minnesota fraud hearing when Representative Nancy Mace interviewed her before. Great gal. Sharply questioned Minnesota Governor Tim Walls over the state spending on autism programs, pressing him on how much funding had been allocated during his time specifically in office. During the exchange, Mace asked Walz to specify the amount spent on the autism-related services in Minnesota during a single year of his administration. He was unable to provide the figure, and fireworks ensued. Here we go. How much money was spent on autism in Minnesota in 2017, Governor? I don't have those numbers in front of me, Congresswoman. Did you prepare for this hearing today? I did. I take Congress seriously. And you've seen the numbers about autism fraud in Minnesota. So we're going to do some Minnesota math with you today, okay? Are you ready? Are you ready? How much money was spent on 2017 for autism in Minnesota? How much? I don't know. I wasn't the governor. Okay. Did you not just say that you prepared for this hearing today? One million dollars, okay? A quick Google search or using your AI could tell you one million dollars was spent. How much money was spent on autism in Minnesota in 2024? I don't have the number in front of me. they never have anything in front of them no but also you think if if i take congress seriously and i prepared for this hearing under your watch you think you'd know you also kind of have to know here's what i would imagine and i don't know if you've ever been through this indignity before but the reason we all know who dr phil is is because oprah got sued and their whole companies and lawyers involving prepping you to go in front of a judge. Yeah, to do depositions and all that stuff. Depositions and going in front of court. And they literally have these little mock, I'm going to ask you this. Don't answer that way. Be prepared for this. I did do mock trial and debate in high school. And you do the same thing. Before you go out to that competition, you practice debate with everybody. Was that in your kitchen, though? Because you're homeschooled. You're like, I would. No, I went to a camp. explain why you should have top ramen at 11 a.m., young lady. No, it wasn't the homeschool class of one. It was like a little debate camp. Right. So he must have prepared. So they must prepare you a little bit, a little prep. And then the subjects they're going to bring up with him is fraud and all the Somali daycare and all this kind of stuff. And this is all at the very top of the list. This is not a deep cut. So it kind of reminds me a lot of like when Kamala Harris was sitting down with Lester Holt and Lester Holt was like, you've been to the border? Have I been to the border? Have you been to the border? We've been to the border. We've been to the border. But you haven't been to the border. I haven't been to the border. But I haven't been to Nova Scotia either. What's that? I don't get what you're asking. It's like, bitch, that had to be number one in your prep thing. And what attorney Mark Garagos would just say is, have you been to the border? And the answer would be, no, I haven't. So then you say, I'm very busy. I have a lot of people who brief me on the border. And I'm actually planning a trip to the southern border as we speak. And I'll let you know. And then let's talk about Joe Biden's favorite ice cream. Yep. But you don't go, ah, it's like, come on. You had to know that one was coming. I mean, in his defense, though, that is kind of how I respond when I come home from shopping and my husband says, how much did you spend? I've been to Borders and bought a book. Did I go to Aloe? I don't know. Did I go to Viore? Who knows how much was spent there? I wish I knew what those places were. All right, well, let's listen to Tim's answer. Four? I was, but I'm not the head of the budget. Okay, so your excuse before that you didn't know what 2017 autism numbers were because you were not governor, and today you can't answer the numbers about 2024 as governor, and you still said you prepared for this hearing today. It's unbelievable. $343 million was spent in 2024. What percent increase is that from $1 million to $343 million? What percentage increase is that? I'm not here to be your prop. Go ahead and tell me. She's going to give her daughter an eating disorder. Yes, I am. I'm not a prop for a member of Congress. Okay, well, when I'm governor of South Carolina, you can sure as hell bet that I'm going to know the math. The math is 34,200 percent increase, an increase of 343 times what it was in this time period. Do you know the number of children in Minnesota? I know that Minnesota ranked as the top three state for children in the last year. What is the total population in Minnesota? 5.7 million. Okay. Okay. What is the total population of children in Minnesota? I don't have the number in front of me right now. Are you governor of Minnesota? I know 400,000 were cut out of health care last week by the actions you made. Are you governor of Minnesota? She's tough. I am. And you don't know the number of children residing in Minnesota? I don't have the specific number. It's 5.7 million. That's your total population. What is the age? Zero to five? Zero to 19? We have approximately 1.2 million children in Minnesota. I'm not even governor of South Carolina. Our population in South Carolina is 5.5 million. We have approximately 1.1 million children under the age of 18 in my home state of South Carolina. Okay? As governor, I expect you to know this information. Thank God you're not vice president of the United States. Do you know approximately how many children in Minnesota are autistic or on the spectrum? No, I don't have that number. Not in front of me. Well, if you take the CDC's roughly one in 36 kids are on the spectrum, we're talking about approximately 33,000 kids. In South Carolina, it's about 31,000. And none of them got that $300 million. Do you know what this is per child spending-wise in the fraud for autistic kids in Minnesota? Again, I'm not here to be your prop. Go ahead and tell us. Is doing Minnesota math a prop? This is math. We're talking about fraud. Minnesota ranks at the top. Where does South Carolina rank? We're talking about money. Where do South Carolina children rank on healthiness? These are my questions for you. It doesn't go the other way around, unless we're debating on the debate stage. And we're not. If you're asking questions about being governor, it does. I'm asking you questions about being governor of Minnesota, which you can't answer. This is basic math. And you can't even answer. Do you even care about kids in Minnesota? They rank near the top in every category. My children are fed. My children are housed. My children have health care. My children have health care. Getting the services they need in Minnesota. My children have the best schools. No, you don't. but they're not getting that uh special needs help they need well here's the problem by the way yeah you're spending almost 350 million dollars on 33 000 kids miniature well 33 000 so she said based on the cd like the national numbers that was her guesstimate of how many were within the state Right. So she goes where her state has 5.3 million and X amount of children under 18. Yeah. He has 5.8. So they're relatively the same size state. Yeah. And let's just say they have relatively the same size population of people under 18. Yeah. And then so you take that number. She said hers had 31 or something, but a little less than the average. and then you divide that by the 343 million and it's sort of the same horrific math that we do in california for homelessness yep or even public schools all right you spend we spend more on public schools something like 52 000 a year on every single public school student but turns out like the average cost of a private school in california is like 12 000 a year which is what's going to happen when government gets bigger, what's bound to happen. But you do some weird homeless math. It's like you spend $24 billion and that's a million dollars a year on each homeless person. It is mind-numbing, but very doable when the government is just handed unlimited amounts of money and it goes unchecked. But part of this that I really want to get to is this spectrum thing. The spectrum thing is super dangerous. And in a weird way, it's like when DEI stuff was going on back when we used to call it affirmative action, I would say like, oh, this is really dangerous. We shouldn't be engaging in this. And people go, what's wrong with letting these people who are formerly oppressed have a chance, an even playing field, whatever, whatever, whatever. And it's like smash cut to we have total incompetent people running cities and we have incompetent people in positions of power and we have incompetent people running universities. I mean, we ended up with Kamala Harris and I've been to the border. That's a DEI hire. So it turns out it's a shit show and it's dangerous. The spectrum thing was the same thing. It was like, well, I have a child on the spectrum. I'm on the spectrum. There's a whole thing. First off, when you open things up to a spectrum, then almost everyone can be eligible for that spectrum. So you think it's too broad? It's way too broad. Because there are legitimate people with bipolar disorder or Asperger's. I would say obviously you have to make a threshold. Yeah. And it's like saying, can you travel with your dog? Once you broaden it out, everyone can travel with their dog. I saw somebody with a cat earlier. Perfect. On a leash. Perfect. And was bringing it in a coffee shop because they had a thing. Right. It's a thing. So once you go, it used to be, it was kind of funny. I used to joke about this. But back in the day, they'd have those things, those surveys in a magazine. It'd be like, are you an alcoholic? It's like, do you ever find that you want an alcoholic drink to calm you down and make you more social? Yes. Have you ever drank so much that you woke up the next day regretting? Okay, check that box. Do you find in social situations it helps you relax? Why not? All right, we got that. Gets you out on the dance floor. Anything you've ever drank so much and regretted things? Yes. Okay. And then you basically say yes to 18 out of the 20 things. And they go, if you said yes to more than three of these. Three? I had three in the first four. What are you talking about? You're like, I had three drinks while I filled out this four. I'm buzzed right now. So when they open the spectrum up, then everybody qualifies. And I'm basically saying this. if you get rear-ended and there's no damage done to your car and your bumper's fine but you walk out and go i need a neck brace and i can't work anymore that's on you yeah i'm sorry we can't open it that broadly yeah everybody's going to be suing everybody all the time and the thing about the spectrum is if you're functional then you're functional and i don't give a fuck about your spectrum because the spectrum includes so many people that there's going to be so much fraud and grift. It's literally impossible. Most all, is there any such thing as free money or free stuff where there's not somebody doing a little bit of coaching going, don't, if you're going to work you got to get paid under the table because if you get paid with a check then they're gonna know and you're not going to be eligible for like everybody i ever knew and i knew a few of these people some disability from work welfare food stamps whatever there was always you know the work around there's an element of somebody going you can't do this but if you do that then you won't be eligible for this. I think that there are, they're having friends and family members though with kids with autism and like some special needs and stuff. It is a legitimate thing to be like, okay, if we're going to say that the government is going to provide this service, let's actually provide the service and have accountability there. And a part of the accountability there is making sure that people aren't gypping the system and doing that under to the table stuff that you're talking about. Yeah. In less than a decade, well under a decade, you go from $1 million to $343 million for the same subject. In like a six or seven year time span. That's insane. There is no way that autism went up 500 fold in that period of time. So somebody is ripping the system off and the system will always be ripped off if you leave it up to people's personal accounting of what's going on like are you able to work no i'm not able to work okay fill this out it's never going to work that'll never we're so flawed as human beings that that's never gonna work plus i'll tell you the other problem the bigger problem with the spectrum, all it does is allow women to get together and go, you know, I think Adam has a little bit of an Asperger's. Are you just worried about all of your exes getting together and being like... He's definitely got something. Something's off. He wouldn't have broken up with me. Everybody's on the spectrum. Everybody, technically. But listen. Well, I do agree that if... I don't know where ADD, ADHD falls in all of the statistics. Everyone claims it. Everyone claims it. Everyone who wants to – everybody I've ever met who just likes to look at their phone while you're talking and you go, hey, over here. They go, I'm sorry. I have ADHD. It's like, no, you don't. You're just being rude. You like looking at your phone while people are talking to you. You're like flipping through Instagram. Yes, yes. I think that, yes, I think that there is definitely an overdiagnosis of something. I mean, well, Abigail Schreier talks about this, how girls actually statistically are diagnosed later for things when they needed earlier intervention. But then, unfortunately, sometimes the diagnosis leads to the over diagnosis of it. And in the case of young women in the country, it was leading to unnecessary transitioning of them, too. So it is a broader social. Sorry, not to overwhelm you here. No, it's a huge deal with everything. It's not just this. And too much money is being spent on it. Like, can we agree that too much money is being spent on it? No brainer. Well, if you have anything that's essentially free, it's going to get abused. If there's money being tossed at something, it'll get abused. There is no such thing as, I work for the Homeless Commission without—I mean, every single—but it doesn't matter. Black Lives Matter. Oh, my God. The head turns out the chapter in Alabama, Black Lives Matter, was making off with it. Of course they were. Turns out one of the ladies in California bought a real nice house for herself in Topanga Canyon. There was a great clip of the Black Lives Matter guy beating up one of his Black Lives Matter ladies. Oh, hey. Do you have that? How do you know that that's our next news story? Well, it's funny. Look at that seamless transition. Yeah, we'll read the story, but I'll tell you the funny part. Oh, I think it's all kind of crazy. So this comes from the Daily Mail, and we do have video of it, but I'll intro this a little bit. As Adam said, there was a Black Lives Matter founder in Illinois who was caught brawling with a female worker who accused him of misusing money. The founder, the BLM founder, was caught on camera in a violent office confrontation with a female worker. According to a report, the violent, restart that, the violent clash erupted into shoving, grabbing and a physical struggle along a corridor at the group's headquarters. According to the police report, in Wiccagon, Illinois, police were called to the BLM Lake County Resource Center on January 12th after reports of a battery involving Clyde J. Micklemore and the project manager, Nyesha A. Hill. Their surveillance footage and police reports detailed the heated confrontation that spiraled into a physical fight between the two inside the office. And then both said that the fight came following a dispute about money. Well, let me just say this real quick. whether you want to argue about where the money was allocated or whatever, whatever it is. Black Lives Matter. Anything changed in the black community? Homeless spending in Los Angeles. Anything changed in the homeless community? Autism spending in Minneapolis. Anything changed in the autism community? Like there's a sort of a bottom line, which is at a certain point, as I like to say, If someone said they just dumped a million dollars into their home renovating it and you show up and it looks exactly the same or maybe a little bit worse, something is up. Yep. Because how is it that you raise millions and millions and millions for this purpose and nothing's changing comes out the other end? Hey, we had a big concert and all the money was going to go to the victims of the Palisades Fire. None of them have seen it. Nothing happened. Yep. There's not one pothole filled. There's nothing put up. There's no new community center that got built. Does anyone ever get tired of nothing coming out the other side? But the thing that's funny about this tape is the guy's punching at her. By the way, apparently, this is according to the report as well, police later obtained footage showing that there was a separate physical fight between Hill and McLemore inside the same office. months earlier. So they have a history of this. The thing that's comical about it is the woman beats the crap out of him. I love it. She's the one that is throwing the guy to the ground. Well, she's pissed because she didn't get paid. That's literally, she's like, where is, she's like, quoting Rihanna, bitch better have my money. And he didn't. I want to tell everyone, anyone who ever gave me any shit about not putting a black box by my Twitter during Black Lives Matter month, I just want to show them this tape on a loop and go, fuck off. All right. Let's see. What do you got up there for a timer? Now I'm confused. Oh, yeah, I know. Same. Is that a mistake? We're done. Oh, okay. Why is there a timer up there? This is 24 minutes. It hits zero and reset. Oh, sorry. All right. All right. Go to amcroll.com for all the live shows. I'll be unveiling the Newman Collection out in Santa Ana. Ooh. That'll be coming up March 22nd. Do a podcast out there as well. And live shows all over Nebraska coming up. Just go to amcrow.com for all the live stuff. And the merch store is open now. To Alicia Krause, let's see, writing the op-ed for the Washington Examiner. Check that out. Also, Buck Sexton, Manufacturing Delusion, name of his very good book. Until next time, it's Aaron for Buck and Alicia saying, mahalo. 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