Vincent Herbert

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. I'm being money. We are take Take Relic We are Be a thirties or all things are in Be ladies and gentlemen my name is tank. I'm J Valetine. In this. Yeah. The army. A lot of money. The authority. Yeah. I'm on teller. R&B. Yes sir. And money. A lot of it. Lots of it. You only get the money. When you were. When you got the honey. Okay, go. Okay, go. Exactly. Yes. Songwriter. Yeah. Producer. Yeah. Multimedia. Mogo. Yeah. He gonna remix it too though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can do that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, make a No introduction needed but God damn it you know I gotta do it Introduction, that's a hurt when it is yeah I'm brother I wanna brother Good afternoon Glad you guys can make it to the service today You talking to different tone decent, oh you talking to different tone when you get to that level That's a regular left a new gentleman. Yeah, absolutely. It's very calm over here Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel unbelievable man, you look clean. You know, I feel good at lost 130 pounds 30 and 30 congratulations, bro. Yeah I'm about to see how you do to do food. Did you know it was the pasta the bread the sugar eat once a day? It's just not good for us. Yeah, and then just you know like not that you're Starving yourself or doing too much is just everybody's body Metabolism is different of course, but I'm glad to be here today you you have been doing We just talk early you've been doing this for a very long time I remember walking into the black round office and you started way before that But I'm just giving you my introduction. I want to go I walk into that office and you would you would just sit in there patiently Waiting so yeah tank they gotta pay me man They gotta pay me a lot But to give it up to them first time I ever learned about Understand the proff its split profit split. Yeah, Barry was very phenomenal in that and As much as he liked the hunt and have fun. He definitely taught me something. I'm glad he showed you the Profit share God damn I was right here. He's a wanted to know I wanted to go went to that farm and I learned a lot. Yeah, I learned a lot. Yeah, so I met Barry back when I produced the wine Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah, you didn't tell me I've done so much that I forget what I've done, but I produced the wines I produce Angie and Debbie wines I produced Vanessa Bell Armstrong all at the same time. No way That's why discovered Joe it I discovered Joe going to the barbershop. Okay, okay, let's start on what because he should be in deep I'm mad. Let's let's Let's go back to the beginning. That's your this is random flex. Yeah, so I discovered Joe's a barbershop Yeah, the wine and soup first So the first thing about let me see Growing up in Nercle, Jersey My neighbors were cool in the game I met him to me hanging out in the supermarket. It's been two three times a week And that's where I met Slime from Slime the family stone That was my first time ever seeing drugs on the back of a toilet seat and Slime said never try this and would change your life forever But I'm too maybe it worked with me every day I was in a group with five me and find his son was in a group together But I'm too made was just so like Incredible watching him work that a guy and him and Phil what they would do and how they would make Music happen and just I just soaked it all up. Yeah, then on top of it when I'm 13 I have my own number one dance record With a group called reaching the record was named the group called face to the record was called reaching So I've done this from every aspect of an artist. I've been a an artist a producer of managing executive You know, I produce my very first movie with Hardy Mason. We did more in the game of the broad So I've seen every side of this but it's so much that it's sometimes like mind-blind because I forget like Joe to go back to that was working in a barbershop. I go in a barbershop. He's singing Joe Thomas the one of the green My name is Joe working at a barbershop. Yes You did it. Yeah, yeah, you did have here and he had a hell of a voice Wait, so Joe was a barber. No Joe was working in a barbershop. He was hanging out with What's the guy's name? Noel is this other guy. It was friends of his so he was cleaning up in a barbershop Young kid young kid is a monster cleaning up and singing singing playing the guitar And I was like you write you seeing what do you do? He was like I sing it. You want to go to studio with me He came to battery studios with a night and we worked on Vanessa Bell. I'm sure we did two songs together Everlasten love if you listen to that song you did not do ever last night. And that's all Joe singing background This is great. This is great. This is great. This is R&B So we have to tell it yes. Yes. I've done it all just but how did you get into Like producing like because you're saying you've you've you've you've made every progression so What where did you decide? Okay, I'm gonna start with this producing first This is the thing that's gonna get because I was an artist first Okay, and my brothers within a group called Blaze and another dance group and when they would leave the go do shows I was I was doing dance music. That's why you hear Gaga for on the floor Yes, because that was always influence from church and just from you know doing what I did and I just started learning how the you know program drums and play the basic keys on a keyboard as you can play But my real instrument was I learned how to read and play music at the fourth grade playing the trumpet I just don't talk a lot think I just do my work But I feel like we in a world now Well, if you don't tell me your story and you don't tell me your story Yep, somebody's gonna tell it when we're dead and gone and they don't tell it with you tell it We're not letting that happen that's not fair no more that here. This is a safe place I feel comfortable here. I'm proud of you guys and what you're doing and I want this to be something that's Educational and enlightening to other people. Yeah, yeah, I made three billion dollars with Gaga for universal I'm a black man from New York, New Jersey. I want to see other people do that three billion three billion dollars We sold a hundred and seventy million albums to date What is this 20 25 she still get nominated for Alma the year I Signed Gaga and discovered her before my son was born my son is 12 years old now Met her on the phone a friend of mine sent me a song on my space called beautiful dirty rich Pull out to LA and first time she had a blue business class. She met with me. She said, okay I want to sign with you, but I promise Sylvia. I'm gonna meet with her But I think I'm you know, I know what I want to do already because LA read had dropped her You gotta remember Gaga got signed by LA read first So when I met I said dye your hair blind blind sell more records on 45th and cringe show in LA at the barber shop You had you had guy got on the show yet. Yeah, he's on who's in a white Bentley GT 45 in cringe you hit that I need to I need to paint this picture 45th and cringe are at a barber shop in a white Bentley GT with Gaga Peanut butter cuts But not just you know, I just love what I do and I don't look at it is like Anything other than it's just music is no color. It's no Nothing but just what do you feel when you hear this music? And I think we have to understand like all our music there's 77 keys on a keyboard Something's gonna sound alike in some aspect right when you think about hall and oats or you think about you know The police or you think about George Michael like it's all music. It all has some soul and some R&B into it. Yes, but it's all music It's not different. We're not reinventing the wheel. We're just making music and We forget that like and it's it's a thing to me like you know even looking at Christopher Williams This guy was the first guy to ever give me a thousand dollars of one studio I took that thousand dollars Next thing I know I'm producing every little thing you do for him producing a duet that he did with Mary J. Blodge If I don't know that guy I never meet you guys at 14 years old 14 you produced a record at 14 yeah You can hold now yep, yeah, at the same time being able to walk Holly Berry home from movie sets and learning that spending time with her No, it's a beautiful thing you've a hold now brother Not today you've been holding out. I just feel like it's it's time For me to tell my story because if I don't again like I said somebody's gonna say it the way they want to say it And I just I don't feel like that's fair anymore like I've always been a shy guy Just do my business to my work. Keep it moving But it's like we don't live in that world anymore. Yeah Your resume Social media digital whatever you want to call it is who you are and if you don't do it It's your fault. Yeah, the things of the grace I learned from Clive Davis Producing a group with him called him to him into you into you producing Whitney Houston and CB one that we didn't know Those were things that I learned from Clive working with Tommy Matola and given Destiny's child Beyonce I first hit record no no no no those are you know things that you don't get a chance to say but people don't tell the story because they don't know I did it I went with Clive to the Yankees game and you couldn't go into the baseball game to this just restaurant now Let's share the sports jacket on like I spent time with these guys with the greats and just learning from them and soaking up Coming in Clive's office. You got to have your lyrics in front of you. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be now 65 degrees in here And the lights gonna be whatever it gonna be but you got to have your lyrics We don't do that anymore. It's so novelty and it's so like we're not in order. We're just like No one's really producing a record no one's really writing the song. Yeah, it's just thrown out there And it's not cool anymore. I'm like let's get back to where it really started I remember coming to tank videos to think I remember this he was shooting a video Joe, I was there. It was at house on the hill. There was a great Bentley to do or What was that song called? Please don't go please don't go Phenomenal record I sat there for six hours watching y'all make that video I was I was I was sick as a dog. Oh, yeah, I remember you throwing up in between takes, but you never stopped you couldn't I call Flynn. I was a flat. I'm finished bro. He's like he's like listen little bro. I'm gonna tell you something This is your shot. Hmm you delivered he said you you have to shoot this video He's like you know business wise. We can fight for whatever we need like but right now You got these people's attention and this is the only day we got and you did a great job I'm gonna see and after I shit it Shoot it in my myself And I said stop At a random hotel Draws away But you delivered you worked your balls. I my girl nass Yeah, my home girl. Yeah, yeah from high school. She was she was she was my girl. Look at you great video Joe still talk about that song and you know what's crazy. I didn't pick that song. Wow Flip picked that song wow him and Joe wow. I know Joe wrong wrote the treatment because he was so proud of it But a great Freck it no one makes freckers like that no more. Yeah, like that was so much passion. There was no pro twos There was no logic. There was no You know, uh, let's let's stack the vocals this way you had to sing at the same you had to sing yeah That's what I tell people that's what I come we come from that though. We come from D88 and ADATs and that's why I went with With them to me was a dad and whatever that a kind of machine that he had yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah You know what I talk about a lia like I lived with a lia. I lived in Detroit for six months I Making an album yeah, what Tim Lennon missy got discovered on the end of the album So you guys had already started that album me and jomo and hard that album I did not know those songs. I did five songs on that album. What yes The only record of lia ever did a duet with before she passed away was her and it's kid that I was working with name to Ross The got to give it up. Yeah, the the um The isy brother record. Yeah, I can't remember all of them But it was like four or five records. I did that first time I went to a movie theater where there was metal detectors And I was like lily what are you doing? She's like oh you'll be all right. I'm like I'm ready to go home. This was in Detroit and Southville But a lia was a sweetheart and she sung Every vocal there was no tricks no tree like she at a studio in Detroit with snow like cats and dogs, but she came to work every day I did not know that yeah, that's real producer. That's real producer. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna come to your city. I'm a live there. Yeah six months Now yeah, I'm a singer. I'm a singer record. I'm seeing the files even with dusty shower. No, no, no They had a whole album done They call me map you call me he wanted this record I had called no, no, no, I had already had to hook on the record We went in the studio beyond say never left the room She stayed in the room for two weeks. You would come in and out Everybody was water and food 20 room. Oh, I remember like it was yesterday. So long with a little baby. Mom was there Who was at chunking studio? Beyonce was in that room every day Kelly was in that room. I mean they just really wanted it Yeah, you know, I mean and that's how I got the work of Michael Jackson because I told him if they want this record I got a work of mine So we worked we did keep Just what it is and if you don't tell you What are you gonna do it so I can't help it. This is my life. This is what happened Bro, this is yeah, this is what else and it sounds like you know, I was thinking of it I was like I really have done some amazing stuff you have and been a part of some great stuff like who works with the wines Stars there in me and carbon meet each other at the supermarket two o'clock in the morning because he's trying to figure out How do we make Mike get on the record and how we do this with with Marvin and it's in that like you don't get those opportunities No, but people actually worked You were doing the work Wait, so you said in order for them to get destiny shout to get no no no You said I got a work of Mike So talk to Tommy on the phone. He said okay. What do you want to do? I said I just want to do whatever So that was the first time that anyone had got Three points on a remix. So I did I worked on keeping the closet So when I got the rills there was three 48 track digital rills that Teddy had did Sound works and that's done or something yeah, yeah, so just yeah like one set 48 track I never set a 48 track another set of 48 Jesus Christ because you got him saying Mike made all kind of sounds with the sounds Yeah, it was unbelievable. He was an instrument. I took a week just playing each Just listening to what he did got you. Yeah, I was so fascinated. It was just so mind-blowing like You know, this is the greatest of all time And I'm sitting here picking his stuff apart. No mute dad played that was really you know me like unbelievable man unbelievable That Teddy Michael combo unbelievable Jesus, there's never nothing like remember to times again Shrish and his vocal ability Was fascinating down to the fact that again, I'm not dropping notes, but no, no do it when I worked with I'll be sure yeah Yeah, I do it. You know me He was another one that had 20 tracks of vocals really yeah I'll be sure like just like these guys really took their time and really did great stuff they crafted Absolutely. Yeah, we don't do that in the more music. We don't do it in r&b It's so novelty and so cookie cutter That to me when I hear it. It's kind of like heart Breaking because you can't feel the soul You almost get lost in a translation of what's going on with the music music supposed to make us feel something Yeah, we all have something in common. What is that human emotion? I'm a should I say the same thing he said We're all We all have a heartbeat That connects us all that's the what I was going to say next We're all the same rhythm, but we've forgotten that so if we all have this heartbeat we're already connected Yeah, but we lose that impact because we are going to these other places and other things chasing other things That doesn't really it doesn't matter like people want to feel something. Yeah You want to fill what this song makes you feel what is happy sad mad ugly whatever it makes you feel something Because you all have the same thing. Yeah, you're connected But we've lost that so much and I'm not mad at AI. I'm not mad at technology. You know, we're gonna grow regardless You know before there was a candle when there was something else. Yeah, right You know before there was an eye and there was something else Life is supposed to grow we're supposed to evolve But never lose a human connection We get so much to this point now where all all we do is text so when you go on your first date you have nothing to say Me and Jameen was talking about this the other day. It's like the conversation and the relationship gets lost because of the technology So when you get there, where's the emotion? Where's the connection? You just sitting there looking at each other. Yeah Yeah, no, that's real We have to bring that back like again, and I keep saying it and I'll say it again to unborder face The emotion that you have in your voice you can't buy that You can't people are connected by that they feel the Indrino in that you're singing when you sing these songs like It's just we don't it's like not a lot of melvocus do it. That's why low Chris Chris is still singing. Yeah, you still feel the passion in his voice No, I mean we saw it we saw it last night, you know, we were we coming from Miami All of us beautiful place have beautiful place But you know we're out there for our basil and we have a rnv brunch event that we do with my gardener right for the for the week and Tank being tank He like oh, I'm gonna get on the mic and he's singing from a DJ booth for probably an hour He brings up teacher Moses. He brings up the young fellow Ron E that signed a hitmaker singing though and that's what stops the room The live vocals and he see up there singing other people records he's singing jolisee singing Tevin Campbell Tyree he's singing everybody songs, right? But you just saw the shift You saw the shift in the room and me and Brian Michael Cox We're at the tables next to each other and we're both watching. I said It's rnv shit different. Yeah, and the connection that we have with the people is different And it's really our turn again To really highlight it yeah, and and to Put it in the space that it it continued it needs to continue in Where people understand this is different. Yeah, this is different the emotions the heartbeat the things that come from this Are different than any other genre? Absolutely. I'm glad you guys are doing it because you guys kind of brought back a lost craft I don't know if you guys ever met him too late, but Tooms was So connected and emotional about Everything that he I mean, I remember just having this guy produce my vocals and My Vince do it again do it again do it again do it again Where you would just get sick, but it was always for a reason because he wanted the emotion to be pure And he wanted you to get it out of it Like we don't have that anymore Like I've learned from the greats and I'm not toot my own horn, but it's like And I'm not feeling like I'm better than somebody, but I know I'm great at what I do And I just know that that's just who I am like I can't take that away. You can't Cover it up. You can't make it up. It's like I'm great. I see no color From black to white to gray to blue. I know what I'm doing when it comes to making a star Because I never lose the emotion In terms of your progression artists produce it like Are you are you kind of like in a sense like Guide it from your elders when you start moving into these executive spaces or did that come natural to you after having you know so much success as a songwriter and a producer I think it's not work, but then go back in terms of an artist What was that term like for you and then how did you move how did you move on from that? Or why I feel like I feel like I'm the architect Of what I do I know how to Take a little bit from this a little bit from that a little bit from that and make it something great And it never leaves you we're all still that three-year-old boy that was inside of us. You just grow And you don't you don't leave it. It doesn't go away from you You remember the first time you scratch your knee and I got that mark when it is still there It's just how you make a vow is how your maturity is and how great you want to be like Quincy Jones was great I want to be great study of the great so you can be greater And never forget that if God didn't give it to you you wouldn't have it It's there for a reason But never get so cocky at the same time when you forget about human connection And I've always understood that tank like I'm for the people. That's why I've been so humble my whole life like I want to do the work I could care less about the other stuff and unfortunately we don't live in a world where that's like cold anymore But I want to make the records. I want to make the songs. I want to make the artist. I want to see a jojo when she's 11 years old and discover her Or see a guy guy when she's 23 years old and discover her Jojo 11 years old where do you see her where how jojo was on a show called America's Most Talent to Kids She lost a show. I'm in Andre Herrels office in Santa Monica a friend of mine called me named James guy Ress is so Is eventually she's here this little girl. I said all right bring it by this is where I'm at I hear falling love with her immediately Take her to a few other people Everybody passed everybody was like oh she's this this and that Meet with Barry. He's in his house. She's a dark He falls in love with her and say you just saved my family From the first meeting. Yes, he got it at hello Because Barry told me from day one Not the name job again, but when I discovered and put dream together And did that deal with Puffy before the white girls Barry said Vince and next time you find an artist come do it They'll be with me a promise job. You fear which Next artist I found with jojo after dream This is great I worked on that out. This is so good. This is so good. I just I love what I do guys I'm really okay. I'm still in this jojo Jojo's 11 years old We make what I feel like was an incredible great pop I mean she's 11 years old So you gotta be crafty about the songs you gonna make is it too old is it too young We do this song called leave get out she hates this song. I'm like yo, Joe this fits you But what I love about her is she's sung everything and you got people like jojo You got people like Joe you got people like Coco You got people like Tamar They sing so good you think everything's a hit mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I used to cheat. Yeah, bad lyrics. Yeah, just sing them good And my brother Bob will be like my brother like tank that's not a good lyric, bro You're like yesterday. She's like listen to it. He's like well you sound good But everybody can't do that. Yeah, yeah, Joe's a master that I'm like don't send me a demo because I'm a boy Love with it and it doesn't mean that it's a great song But you just something out the out the moon. Yeah, you know, I mean you just that that but Joe Joe was she was a special man Super special. I took her to school when she started sixth grade in Jersey You took her to school when she started sixth grade Yeah, walk to the school and edge what is she cried She was mad she was frustrated like look you gotta do this because we had to go through the whole quarter approval thing Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she did not want to do that. She was like this is not fair. I don't know these kids That's where her and Eddie the vert son Become super cool and become best friends. Mm-hmm because they went to school together that little school in edge water And he was been spying it too, but Joe Joe was special man. She was just One of the most incredible little artists have ever met in my life She still was the youngest artist ever have a number on record on top 40 radio Get nominated for MTV music award and sell over five mean albums on that first debut up I'll think gate I am her first tour. She opened up for us in Japan Pick shout out to mark she don't that my man. He may help me make that happen. Yeah shout out to mark But yeah, just it's like you gotta see things before the world's you was that the okay? You had done a lot of stuff up until then mm-hmm, right? But I know it five million records on the executive side Looks like I know what that looks like what had that been your biggest Payday up into that point that was my biggest payday because Barry did a great deal with me And he made me understand what profit participation means 100 percent yeah, yeah Yeah, that's why I could never do nothing but show that man respect and love because he changed my life It wasn't about 18 point 17 points 20 point rosy right it was about when we make dollar one you make dollar one Say real partnership real participation. Yep. Yep, and that you can't pay for And up to that point I didn't learn that I was like oh he has 20,000 dollars Going and produced a record you got to pay for engineering you got to pay for studio you got to pay for the like what is this That's why I got to the point where I was like oh, so this is the other side of the business I don't I don't I love producing But this is better financial. Yeah economics makes more sense here better believe it So this is what I need to be doing yeah, so that's just like you know That's just something that you learn by applying yourself to be around the right people You can't learn greatness unless you're around greatness And I still feel like Barry Doug Morris Jimmy Iveen Tommy Mutola Clive Davis Greatness from those guys all I take something from all of them and become who I am Mm-hmm and none of them ever told me to just do this kind of music of that kind of music whatever I felt Those guys all supported me. Yeah, like Clive we had a group call into you the guys act crazy It was bugging out Clive's events put another group together. I said Clive, but you haven't even seen him He said I don't care. I'm gonna see him. I'm I see you Whatever you want to do I see you how were you deciding Where you were taking projects Because you had so many relationships early on right because before I had met you which I've I can't I can't even count I'm in the years I've known you at this point. I've known you my whole adult life. I feel like that's crazy and You were known as the guy Who had business everywhere Because like as you said you literally Throughout all the top label executives at that time and they're more obviously, but you have business with all of them Like how were you because that's another thing right because we all know Once you get you get that first hit or you get that first project that pops everybody's coming So how were you deciding as an executive? Okay, this fits here. Mm-hmm. I feel like Early on in my career. I was very likable. Mm-hmm Because I didn't want to do the BS I didn't want to screw nobody over. I want to BS I didn't want to be at your party. I didn't want to hang out with you. I wanted to do the work So all those guys respected me so when I call their phone they picked up the phone So if I called the client first and he picked up the phone and I said I mean for him. I'm gonna see him If I caught when I when I got down to meeting Doug When I met Doug me and Doug will like two pieces of the product was my guy when I I met Doug and Doug told me He said Vince who do you want to work with in my building? I said I want to work with Jimmy IV because I had never worked with Jimmy Doug calls Jimmy on the phone Jimmy. What are you doing? I guess he was still home in the bay say get out the bed Come to the office right now I have three little girls called the click girls And got got the same time I signed both of those artists the same day and Doug said Vince just what you want to do. He said Jimmy. This is what we're gonna do. You're gonna work with Vince And that's how that relationship happened And Doug said never go to the parties Never hang out do the work I've never been to one of Jimmy IV's parties And we've had the most successful career I've had in my life. Oh, yeah I've never been to his house to a party and never been to his house for a Easter party There's a certain amount of respect I want you to Christmas party. I don't know what the Christmas party look like Well, I can tell you what he brought snow I have my dad. I was like she got to see this That's funny and you did to be honest. I did that at my house with my son. I brought snow in LA Because it's like when you get around stuff you see it you understand it But yeah, I just never wanted to be in the club. Then I get it. Doug said don't be in the club He said they'll respect you more if you're not in the club Never went to one basketball game with Jimmy IV. None of that When I when I put Jimmy's name on my record with me and Gaga He said Vince take my name off that. I'm betting on you. I don't know what this is So how does the how does the a con connection come in a con worked with Jimmy so Jimmy brought a con and then take Gaga To clubs and do stuff like that and a con had a good relationship with red one, but I discovered Gaga I mean Gaga You can go to the to the clip that I'm doing with Netflix and Gaga tell you if there's anyone That should raise their hand for the reason that Gaga is here. It should be him, but he would never do it I'm telling the world like Vince and Herbert Discovered in made lady Gaga you can call it you can go look the facts you can pull it up. It is what it is It just is you know my friend named Ralph. Who sorry call me He said Vince you should hit his girl. He sent me a song on my space The next day I call my friend Jolene put Gaga on a plane first time she went for a business class For the LA she had a pair of fishnet stockings a bra some panties and a blazer on she said at the piano She could not dance at that time and I said I want to sign and she said I want to sign with you what I got to meet with Sylvia I'll be right back Since to go work with Laurie Ann Gibson to teach her how to dance and choreography Laurie Ann calls me back and she goes boom. Yeah, she goes muffin. She doesn't have it She said Helge go back in that room and we'll do it again She said she has it trust me and said okay brother, I'm gonna listen to you, but I don't see it I said you never gonna see what I see but trust me Here we are again 170 million ohm later She has it Look, you got them You got them right here No, it is incredible. What is your mind? Whose mind is it? Of course you discovered her, of course. But as you go into staging and you go into the nuances of the artist, the styling and all of the things. That was working together. We usually have meetings on Wednesdays, myself, LG, Gaga, Troy, and we would sit there and brainstorm. But you guys were brainstorming on things. Because you have this. Because you have this. But you have to see it before it's done, Tanya. And that's why we have so many generic artists now. You have to be able to go, wow, this mic can be on this stand and be flexible like this. Where is the consistency of the hard work? No one does it anymore. Everybody wants it to be served up on a platter and give them to them. No, we did the work. There's plenty of times that I, when Gaga was doing just dance, she calls, she's like, I'm almost finished the song. I said, don't print nothing. I'm coming to the studio right now. Go to record plant here for the song. That's why you hear, duh, do the jazz dance. I was like, don't put them all there. It's song's on. You got to be in it. You got to be in it. You got to fill it. Gaga is a very dope visionary as well. Okay. Can't take that from her. Yeah. I had an incredible hell of a team. That's what I was going to say. That's what I said. Like the construction of your team. And that's ultimately what led to the first question, even with ACON being involved. All of those things married together made a different type of magic. Absolutely. It made something that will never be made again. Even though in my back pocket, I thought I got the next Gaga. Just like I told Jimmy, I had the next Madonna. You always striving for better and higher. Because that's what I do. I'm not coming out the play unless I'm ready to fucking win. I'm not coming out just to show up. Because our business, we get together. Everybody lie to each other. Have a good, you see each other with one. And you don't never, we've got to stop that. It's ludicrous. It's crazy. Like, how do we think our business has gotten to the place where it is now, where when you go and you look at the landscape and the color and the shape of our business, you don't see in all black on B department. You don't? You don't? It doesn't mean that. You don't see the pop department being the new Steve Brahmins and the new Jemiah Beings and the new Brenda Romano's. You don't see that. It's lost. Everyone thinks they can do it because of technology. Right. Technology don't make you feel that wreck it. That wreck it makes you feel that wreck it. You got to feel it. You got to understand it. You got to see it. You got to feel it. You got to feel it. Like, oh my God, I'm so glad you said that. I don't care about a number. They've turned our ship into baseball. If you want to work with me, I don't care if you've got one number, one stream. If you got the integrity and the passion and the perseverance and the words that say, yes and thank you, let's go make history other than that it doesn't matter because God got it and have one of those things. Neither none of it. No, Joe Joe didn't have none of those things. None of it. No. I don't know the way she met me. She's still torn and still working and doing what she does on one album. It's just how passionate do you want to be about your job? Yeah. We all say, oh, we want to do this? We want to do it. Do we really want to do the work? Doug Moores' boy, Jimmy Ivean's label, twice for $200 million. Twice. Had a little. You know what? Moved out again. What? Doug Morris, what Jimmy Y. Bean's labeled twice for $200 million. It was that crack in. At Atlantic, after they said it was too hip hop and this is whatever, whatever, then they left, went to Universal, Doug started Universal over there with Vindy and then he bought the company again. But again, I say that to say, look how those people work together. I don't say it. Yeah. We don't do that. We can play in and we hate on each other, we talk about each other and we disrespect each other just by the mere fact of like putting each other down like, all my relationships, I want to see y'all have all my relationships because that's how you put pale success. That's how you grow. You don't grow by keeping crabs in the barrel. That doesn't get us anywhere. It's not fair. It's so wrong. But think about how much they bought the face records for. Think about how much they bought dev jam records for. Then think about what Doug paid for Jimmy's label, night and day. And we can sit in here and be totally honest with each other. The face records is probably one of the greatest labels of all time. Absolutely. We can sit here and say, I can name about five or six artists. So Timming it out. Yeah, super stars. Maybe super outcast. Yeah, Tony Braxton. Tony Braxton. TLC. It's ridiculous. Wow. Yeah, I worked on a boomerang soundtrack too. Yeah. Just in case you didn't know that. In case. So I did a remix for the Tony Braxton song. LA used my drums. And then we had, we fixed it. We all cleared it all up. You know, all the production. I love LA. You know, my drums. You know, we fixed it. But again, that he was like, thinks it was so good. The production was so incredible. I just, my record had to sound like that. But that's that competitiveness. Yeah. You know, that you can't be mad at that. Yeah. You can't be upset. I was in that. Okay, cool. And we talked about it. We fixed it. How much I can. Exactly. What's my ex? Let me see this lit sheet. Wow. Tony Braxton. Another one. Hard work. Did how many ways on her first album? I love that song. You know how many ways. I love that song. Again, these songs, when I would do this stuff, I would always have a hook to the song. So the lyrics wasn't known yet. But the track was done. The melody was done. The hook was done. Brian Reed called me. He said, we love it. We want to cut it. We're down to Atlanta. Cut the record. After we finished the record, we went ahead Chinese food. I remember these things like a clear day because these moments, you can't forget it. Our Kelly came into the remix. Same thing with no, no, no. Wrote and produced that song at the single. Why Clevve came into the remix. No brother from Jersey. You did great work. Work that stood the test of time. So it's a testament to everything you're saying in terms of the work and the heart and soul that was put into it. Like to me, that is that is the separator. Oh, absolutely. I'm one of one. And I know it. And I'm comfortable with saying it now. It took me a long time to get comfortable in my skin because I'm a very reserved, laid back shy person. And Gaga was convinced you did this. Don't be afraid to stand in what you did. This is your. If somebody I can tell you to jump out into your life. Exactly. It's Gaga. Even down to my only behavior. Yeah, yeah. Jimmy just events to whatever you want. Those guys were selling out. All right. 5,000 CD's four and three times a week with no record at radio. No record at radio. No record at radio. I put a telephone number in the video. That we were getting 75 to 50,000 calls a day to an answer machine. Pandemonium. So you see the reserves now. You go to TikTok. My list of behavior is in the top 10 right now and today. Shout out to Walter Mills at my partner. Wow. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, but it's just all of those things like, look, man, I can't wait to I'm able to teach my class and educate people on what it really takes because it's just the effect that you just got to know what you don't know it. You know what I mean? Like you guys knew that this was needed. This is an effect. No one else is doing this. Yeah. And if they try, it's not to this level and not to this magnitude because it's something that you guys birthed and you know what you're talking about. Like this to me, like I was talking to Chris when we saw him out doing a show. He was like, oh, I can't believe they want me to do that. Show events. What do you feel about that? I'm like, it's a great show. Chris, you're going to kill it. You guys are giving people opportunities that tell their story on a platform when you could make it all about yourself. You're going to still tune in and watch because it's fun. It's great. It's cool. It's information. And you guys are doing it at a high level. But no one's, you can't come back and do you know, it's a lot of podcasts, a lot of shows going on. This show is different. Thank you. No, I mean, I'm like, I want to know what you guys mean with the BS. I cannot bullshit. I don't want a lot of you in that place. I just like the truth. That's why I don't talk too much. Because the truth don't always fit with everybody. You guys are doing something great. And I think the more that we stretch that greatness and make it diverse and you got these people in like, we didn't get to get into me on this podcast before he passed away. Right. Yeah. I got from that guy just hanging up with that guy or cool from cool in the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those were my neighbors. I was going there basement and played a bass when cool was out of town. That's great. That is that man. When cool was out of town. Yeah. I mean, how came you to go down there? The stage table speaker that was like tall as tall as you and you just plug it, plug it in the, plug up the bass or whatever. That's great. Yeah. It's incredible. But that is like what we're missing and being able to have that ability to touch those things, find those things, be a part of those things like everybody today is like, and again, I said it before, I hate to repeat myself, but it's so novelty. Like we have to get past that. People want to feel something, man. That's why the person that makes them this Kyle, I need record love this record. She's inspired by by by brand brand. You can feel it. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. You can feel it. She's not shying away from. And she's she's embracing that truth. Exactly. How many people do that? Like that's so many. Not many. That's so proud of her for doing that because she's actually being honest about her craft and her work. Yeah. Like this is this is mind blowing with you all I'm telling you Vince. I remember talking to you. I think I want to say was the studio that we all share would Harvey off of. Underdogs. No, that's the second one. Off of violent. Which one was that one? I'm fine. Oh, the old track. Oh, yeah. Okay. And you would like, she I'm getting into film and television. And I was like, okay, right? Like in which way? And you said, the Braxton's. They need to be on TV. And at this point, Tony Braxton is very reserved. She doesn't. She's you know, she's Tony Braxton. And this isn't the time where a Tony Braxton goes and does. Totally. The reality television show. And I'm like, you go get Tony Braxton to do. Took me about seven months to convince her. And you were like, Jay, it's going to be great. It's going to be great. Seven months to convince her. Because television at that time to me is like the reality world, Tamar woke up one day. I was like, yo, we should do a reality show in my family. That's how that happened. And I went in like everything. I'm not going to lose. I'm going to make it happen. And Tony was like, I don't know if we should do it. And plus that's all she did it. And it changed everybody's life. Yeah. Like they all have got this. It's the longest running African American show in the history of television. Are you serious? Yes. Wow. Yes. Congratulations. Yes. Go Braxton. That's been $1.2 million of my own money to make that show. So you shot it. I paid for it. And paid for it. Yes. Before it was ever asked. Oh, wow. Yes. You can't talk about stuff and don't do something believe it. Hey, man, I know. You can't just be like, oh, I got decided. No, go execute it. Go executed. That's not talk about. Let's be improved. Exactly. Same thing with the talk show with the real with Tamar. That was, that was, we started that show with Tamar being a new young windy Williams. And then we sat down. And then we met with every production company and fell in love with telepitchers and they were like, oh, we want to put the show on the, on the internet. I said, well, she's already on two different television. I said, that's not going to work for me. So, so what do you want to do? And then we said, well, let's make an ensemble. And then they were like, so Tamar, who do you want on the show? Is it the Beverly Hills Hotel? I know if you get it. Tamar said, Adrian Bylon and Tamara. And then, um, telepitches had deals with Lonnie and with Jenny. But it was Tamar's idea. I still have a picture. And then we had a backstage. I still got a picture backstage. So, wow, this shit. It's when he did the show. And it's you, the shan Daniels. Wow. And, uh, Combo, it's just so. And little chicken hawk, uh, GNY nephew. Uh, and y'all have on, I'm, I'm sitting in my head. I got on black shirts and camouflage shorts. I remember that day. I was like, who, who didn't get the number? Oh, y'all have on the same fit. And I'm like, I got to take a picture of you. I remember that. I was like, I have to take this picture. I remember that day. So clearly. So, how does, if you can't get into that, how does that show go from being y'all show to someone else's show? Because if you don't own the IP, it's someone else's show. Period. Bottom line. But again, education, knowledge will make you understand that. Yeah. And I don't get mad if things don't go the right way the first time. He won't go the wrong way the second time. Mm-hmm. Because I'm going to learn. Yeah. But owning your IP is everything. That's why I say like, I really want to educate and bring people to understand our business. Like, you know, we get this whole thing about the masters and the, you know, the public, like, it's, first of all, it just sounds racist to me. Like a master. Masters and the slave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It bothers me. I just don't talk about it, but it's crazy. Yeah. No, I mean, that was done purposely. Yeah, but it's just so wrong. You know, but you got to be educated about your business. You have to understand your business. You can't blame someone else. You have to know one plus one equals two every day. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to change. Not going to go away. It is what it is. But we have to be willing to allow ourselves to not just be creative, but understand the business. And call the music business. Yeah. For example, what you said, what you just said is that in terms of, I mean, not making any excuses. Because I think we live in a space where we're not going to let anybody or anything dictate and stir us away from our goal. You know what I mean? And so what are maybe some of the pitfalls and some of the things that you ran into to where you really had to buckle down and say, you know, I think Russian. No patience at first. You're so excited. Sign anything. Do anything just because you want to be in it. Still a business. That's the number one thing I tell people like, you know, not while finding the best biggest lawyer that you think it is. Find somebody that's dedicated to you. To you. It's like being in a relationship with a man or woman. Like you want somebody that you can bet on. That's going to bet on you. That's going to be there when you need them. And our business, you know, making mistakes going to happen continuously. But it's how you recover from a mistake and really being able to take accountability for the sake knowing that, oh, I did this this time. I'm not going to do this this time again. And it's okay. My deal with JoJo wasn't my deal that made with Gaga. Totally different night and day. Yeah. Did you learn? You learned. And I learned, I grew from my deal with Puffy with Dream to my deal with Barry with JoJo, to my deal with Doug and Jimmy with Gaga. It's totally different. So you had to even better deal. For the Gaga deal. Absolutely. She sells 170 million. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. You're supposed to do that. Yes. Absolutely. And you, you, but you only grow. I make a mistake. If you go through those things. Exactly. Yeah. And then you understand too that, you know, there's so much money in our business. Like, I want to encourage people to go look at, uncollected funds. You might have changed your lawyer. You might have changed your accountant. Mm-hmm. You got so much money just sitting there. But no one tells you. No one tells you. I'm glad you said that because there's this false narrative that goes around about, there's no money in music. Oh my God. Don't let these people lie to you. They're lying to you. And don't let them fool you. Because they also don't want you to go look for the money. Exactly. And then I want you to get the money and make the right deal. You are one step away from changing your life every single day. Only thing you can hit the lot. It's the close thing to the lottery. We say that all the time. It's the close thing to the lottery. It's what you want to put into it. It's what you'll get out of it. Yeah. Any day you dim numbers in here. Love what I do. Love that too. Love what I do. Because everybody won't admit that. I'm so excited about finding the new artist because it's like, okay, cool. Anybody can come work with a guy now. I make a guy. Anybody can come work with Destiny's Challenge beyond the way. I can't work with Destiny's Challenge beyond the way. I gave him their first hit. Right. Yeah. Anybody can come work with Tony Brackson. I was on the first album. Me and the saddest, the only other producers besides Babyface and that late on that whole album. Yeah. So it's those things that, you know, you forget like those. It's better than any award, any Grammy, any play like you actually gave birth to something. It's something like that's like phenomenal. Yeah. Child's open the work of whoever she won. I found you when you were 11 when I had these to go buy you sweatsuits and get your clothes changed for us to go to meetings. I saw that in you. A little black man from Nork New Jersey. I saw that. Yeah. And I love it because I saw something in you where I was able to help you get your talent to the world. That's incredible. That's just incredible. I want to make sure I say something though because this is something that, you know, that, and it's off topic, but I like to make sure. So when I was explaining that picture, I always want to make sure I give every person So shout out to my young boy, Chris, we call him chicken hall. Yeah, but we don't still call it because we, we, we, we, we, um, so we go call it, but I want to make sure I said his name, though, you know what I mean, because that's the other thing too and, and, and, and, and just listening to you and the way you tell your story and the way that you always make sure that everybody that's been a part of it, you speak about it. It's a enough room for everybody. The only people that don't do that are the insecurity people that want you to feel like it's all about them and they did that. No. Jesus Christ had disciples. Yeah. It wasn't just him. Yeah. Making bread and making wine. He had disciples to work and help them. We all need somebody. Absolutely. And the things that you spoke about, what I've noticed is all your stuff has been collaborative efforts. Absolutely. Even a lot of people don't know about you as three boys from Newark. You know what I mean? I forget about that sometime. Shout out to Kaya McGriffin. That was my guide that produced a lot of those records with me back in the day. Guys, you take the bus, the path train, have ten dollars in my pocket to get to New York, to get a hot dog, get something to drink, go to my meeting and get back to Jersey. The grind. The grind. The grind. Yeah. My mom died when I was 12 and my life changed. It's like you just grow up and my dad died soon thereafter. And my dad would always say, I just want to go be with your mom. And it just made me work hard. I became a man at 12 years old. And I'm never the person that stood here and go, I'm perfect. I did this. I did that. But at the end of the day, I worked my ass off. No one gave me nothing. Everything that I've accomplished in life I work for. And I love it. And I love it that way. And I want to change it for nothing in the world. It's just the thing that makes you want to work harder is you know, you're working for it. And you got to be accountable for whether it goes bad, right, left, wrong. It's just, it is what it is. Yeah. No, you've been a, you've been an inspiration for all of us, bro. And I don't know if I've ever told you that. It was a time. I remember you, you called me, you said, oh, you know, you know, in your tone. Yeah. Do you want a little, do you want a little like birthday celebration thing? Then just come by. So I'm like, I'm going to go buy a Vince career. And Tiger, tell you, and I think everybody knows about me. I don't go everywhere. I go places where it would have loved is, right? And I'm like, got real love for Vince. I'm pulling up. Let me go get it. You know, I'm going to get a nice little bottle to take to his house, right? Because I had never been there at this point. So I get to Vince's house. And he had the house that didn't need. I don't know if people know about those type of, of, of a states state. And I had my little bottle. And you know, I put it on the table and I looked over in. It was like a thousand of the same bottles. I was like, okay. All right. Cool. Then I get to the backyard. And it's a football field. And I'm like, he did it. Yeah. He did it. Because like I said, I've known you for so many years. And I've watched the continuous growth in your career. And to see someone that I looked at as my brother and my peer in this, in this thing that we call music. And to see you get to that level. Yeah. Was like, oh, this is inspiring. Because it's there for us. I know Vince. This is not, oh, I'm watching Eddie Murphy on TV. I don't know Eddie Murphy. But I don't know. I know Vince. I've watched Vince go from meeting to meeting. Yeah. I've watched Vince tell me about this artist and that artist and some that worked and some that didn't. And more, more, more that didn't. Yeah. Yeah. And to see this man in this space. I was like, this is amazing. And another thing too, I want us to pay attention to our publishing game. Mm-hmm. So important. Yeah. Shout out to the interns. I signed them with nobody knew them. Yeah. So all those records. God forgive KKK KKK. And in the kind of, yeah, everything's about to ask with them. I always still call them big Sean record. Those all the, all the other part of my publishing catalog. The fine China record. I signed that kid. They did their record. But it's just important to understand that have vision. Mm-hmm. You know, to be loud, but she's going, do you work? You say it's all, it's all sneaky. No, no, no, no, not sneaky in the bad sense. When you see it, though, yeah, you got to have a tie at the time. You've been, what? That's the best way to put it. You got to, you can't sit there and be like, oh, oh, boy, it's talented. Let me let Paul and Peter come. No, he, you don't shut it. This is quick. It's going on with your, what you need? Absolutely. To get you right. Shout out to my man, um, Felly, who did the, I should record with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super dope. He's incredible. I could have signed him at hello. Good guy was very excited to meet me. I was excited to meet him. I'm like, no, man, go get, go get a different deal. But you just have to be able to know now I work with him on a regular. He's just about two records on Chris's album. But you just got to know like nobody would ever thought the kid that did find China would be the guy who did that record. I want to talk to everybody. I want to turn over every rock because that's the only way you find it. Yeah. You just never know where it's going to be. So you're still actively looking for talent, looking for writers, producers, artists, everything. I'm still in the music business. I love it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I'm in everything this music. I don't let nothing else get in the way of that because it ended the day is still about great song in a great artist. Never going to change. We can have AI, we can have left eye, whatever B.I. It doesn't matter. You still got to have a record that emotionally connects with people. And you still got to find an artist that can deliver those records. Yeah. AI hasn't found that. Damn. Because I want to see it live. Exactly. I need to see it. You want to go to one of the greatest shows on her, which is Chris Brown phenomenal. Yes. That's an actual person. I don't think AI can do with Chris Brown. Yeah. When I saw that show. I just watched I should roller skate insane. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Oh, by the way, I worked on us. She's very first album too. You don't need to say. I just love what I do. I love what I do. Take, love what I, but I got to tell my story. Take. I gotta tell my story. I gotta tell my story. I'm telling the story. I mean, I just love what I do. And I, and I've never, ever been this vocal in my life. And I'm liking the vents in this talking. I'm like I'm liking the really being, you know, like it's okay. Yeah. It's okay. It's okay. Nothing's wrong with it. Because there has to be respect has to be. And we got to tell the truth. Yeah. I'm glad when we see you outside. Yeah. You put up on us and my Amy had to do it. I said, I said, take it. Is that this? That was all because, you know, people be wanting to go outside myself. You want to go outside. So you just go outside. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I, because it's like to me, I don't be liking the BS. And I can't stand when the people just like be lying about stuff like be honest. You're not gonna call me. I'm not gonna call you. Let's just say hi and keep it moving. Well, let's just listen to the music and keep it moving. Yeah. But the other stuff is crazy. But I like when I say I love going to where we can get along as people and enjoy good music in that with the time. And, you know, the cocktails, I mean, just and join life. Why can't we do that? Why can't we all just get along? And listen to the music. It makes the world go around. And I think a lot of times what I've experienced, two of people having experiences, there's a big world out there. America's one place. But Gaga, I got to go around the world 10 times over. I got to be in a room with 30,000 people. And guess what, y'all? I'm the only black man in the room. And this girl sits on stage and go, if it wasn't for him, guys, the guy back there with the bus by a hundred mic. Well, on the board, I wouldn't be here. But we go to lots of blues. The first time. And it's her performer to be in my stage. And when she starts, there's about a hundred people. When she gets done, there's five people, myself, her mom, Tey Mar and somebody else. And we come back. And there's a hundred thousand people sinking everywhere. And she yells from the stage, Vince, what do you think about this? And me and Steve Burmick just high five in each other. So unbelievable, man. I did that. I really did that. I really did that. I want people to know that you don't worry about how you look who you are. You can do it too. But I've done that. I've crossed the mountain top in our business of success with artists from round zero. Nobody knew what Gaga was when I started. What are people? Thought I was crazy. Thought I was crazy. They didn't not pay attention to it. Now everybody thinks, try to do this. Do that. I sit back and laugh. I wait for the Netflix, but she should have come out and I'll laugh again. But I did the work. What is it next week? We're working on it now. It'll be out next year, but it's really, really special to me because it's something that covers some of the great people that I spoke about from the Clive Davis to the Doug Morris, to the Jimmy's, to Gaga, to Mary, to this one, to that one, to Steve's. Just so many people. And you really get to hear my story. And I think that's an incredible thing, not what I'm dead and gone, but actually here now. Clive, Clarence Avon, great guy. I wish we had more time with him for his story. At times I said with this guy, the Beverly Hills Hotel, I haven't wanted to unbelievable, this incredible, his life, his story. I wish these kids could see that and understand the legacy of what really happens with these guys that have paved the way for us. And we don't pay enough homage to them. That's not cool. We got to do better with that. We have to uplift each other and support each other. People should be calling out every week like, yo, can I get on the show? It's a safe platform. You get to tell your story. And it's not cut up and you doing this. It's like, we got to get into that. We got it. We're missing out on so much of the happiness. I hate when people pass away, everybody put a picture up and, oh, I miss you. That drives me crazy. Like did you call that man last week? Like just before I walked in here, I'll be sure I'm my phone events. I want to work. What we doing? Like that's what you want to hear. Carl Thomas, when we get together, when we work. Like these are guys that just you want to see that you want to do it as possible. Shout out to Carl Thomas. Shout out to Total. I did that too. Yeah, Total. Yeah, man, faith. Yeah. I can't even remember anything. It just comes to me out the blue. You know, I'll be I forget. I just do. But it just, you know, those things happen at X2. I forgot to mention at X. I was the first person to give me a remix on this group called Small Change. Pimmy $2,500 for every mix. Never cast a check. Because you never cast it. It was about the opportunity. Wasn't about the 25 hours. I was like, I finally got my foot in Mercury Records. And I was able to maneuver that to who I am the day. All I have is what the opportunity. I'm a run through. Yeah. Come good at that. I'm a run through it and run through it and run through it because I just want the opportunity. I just want to do the work. I ain't worried about the labels. I did the dumb stuff. 12 cars at one time for what I can't drive while at the same time. The house she talking about was 25,000 square foot three acres of land. It doesn't make sense. It's like, okay, cool. I couldn't even see my son in the playroom. Took you a while to get there. I mean, I'm on the way. But not I you learn and you live and you grow. And I hope that I can be a blessing to the new generation to the old generation people that I've never even spoke to because I want to share my story and I want to share my information and I want to see people do better. Yeah. And I really, really, really mean that. Like that's important to me. Like not to just talk about it. I think thinking me and Jay have always talked about, especially when we have like, you know, legends sit here and and and give this information and and we've all been connected in so many ways. It's like, what is the what is the infrastructure where where we can do that very thing where we can take care of these artists, the way you took care of children, the way you took care of God, where we can show them the game, teach them the game, but also elevate them to a place to where now they can take that and run with it themselves. Like what does that infrastructure look like? Because in between all of us, all these names you're saying all the night, but I mean, we're all all connected. What does that infrastructure look like? How do we get there to where, you know, we're controlling that narrative? Because I want to definitely make sure that we help our elders have health insurance. Yes. In this business, it's like it drives me crazy. Like the CVS people suffer just because they can't afford to pay 350 lbs a month for health insurance. When I got sick and I was in the hospital, my bill probably was way over two million dollars. I was sick for 40 days. I was in the hospital. I was in a coma for five days. It's paralyzed for my neck down when I came out. Couldn't walk and then I had to go through therapy for 30 days after that, all from flying too much, but we don't we don't teach that late. They tell you to get on the plane and buckle up at seven massive blood costs from being in air, from being in the air flying on those private planes. Fine all over the world. The same thing I was in the hospital for, heavy D died from. I was in the hospital when he died watching it on the news. No, and that was my guy, heavy and teddy. I put both of them in the studio when I did Gaga repack of her album and Teddy did this song called Teeth and have the adventures record or whatever, but I've been passing it for a long time, just helping people and not talking about it. But those those things that we have to fix those things, healthcare is so important because our world that we live in, you don't have it, you go to the hospital, do you see anything else or either you go on a second nine. Yeah. My mom was a nurse, so I really really paid attention that I said, if you're pinky hurt, your body's talking to you. Pinky hurt your body's talking to you. Yeah, my shoulder. Yeah, but I don't know, there's so many things that we don't pay attention to, especially when it comes to that. Like a blood clot is the most silent killer of all time. Starting your ankle, travels up your leg, hits your heart, hits your lung, and then it's lights out. Correct. And you never even know it came. Never knew it came. Are there ways since you dealt with it? Are there ways that you that there are certain little signs though? Other day, like you said, you know, it's something that happens and occurs in African-American people, Asian people, and people of color more than Caucasian people. What you need to do is find out if it's something genetic, like if you're a family had it, it's, you know, go to the doctor, follow up on that, but it's like when your body doesn't get enough oxygen, these little things call little rocks, they'll occur in your body, those rocks are the blood clot, any travel, and they hit those little things, and it hits your lung and your heart and your's out. But there's things that you can be aware of, if your body's like, for me that whole day when it happened to me was in New York, we were doing an NBC special with Gaga, and our back was hurting all day. And then I started getting joined into Brev, and I said, let's go to the doctor, went to the doctor, thank God I would listen to myself. He was like, you're having muscle spasms. Call home, take these pills, and call me in the morning. I got to the front door, his office, I told the driver, take me to the nearest hospital, something don't feel right. And I got to the hospital, and he was like, oh, we got to get your profile and we're going to induce you into this coma. And the guy in the hospital just off the river. Yeah, because they were massive. They can see the blood clot. He didn't see it. No, he didn't see it. I thought, no, I would've been dead if I was now. Mountain Sinat hospitals were sawed. Lady by the name of Dr. Miriam McLaughlin, saved my life. I still go see her through this day, but she saw it. There was some young doctor in the hospital. He was like, oh, call your friends and family. He's not going to make it. This is after the second day in the hospital. You could hear him say that. Yes. Yes. Gaga and Tamar found Dr. Miriam McLaughlin and that lady saved my life. Wow. That's why I'm still able to sit here. And that's why I refused to like, I'm not going to be quite about what I do and who I am. Okay. I got a big thing to talk about. My parents, my mom died at 12. I'm quite sure she wanted to say a lot more before she got out of here. Absolutely. But you have to be mindful of that. Don't take it for granted. Don't take the day for granted. The time for granted. Your life for granted. Go to work. Make the best song you could have of me. Be a great person. Be respectful and diligent. Be considered other people's time. We don't do that in our business. When I've worked with the other people, they should have one time. People like, Vince, all you want to do is work with white people and pop people. I might know, I want to work with people that want to show up and go to work. How about that? I've never remembered Joe Joe being late for a studio session. Never. Talk about it. Talk about it. Then we look. Those are the conversations that we're not having. It would not happen. Because everybody's like doing his BS game where they're playing with each other's mind and hearts and feelings. It's like it's okay to be honest. You got to be honest. I'm so glad you guys are having that reunion for the Undeadogs at the Grammys. So you heard about that? Yeah. I got invited today. Okay. Okay. Okay. I've always been a Undeadog in the back. I'm silent. I'm underdog. So my position was three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning. You know, Harvey sitting on my couch or Damon sitting on my couch and we're talking about life and ledge and get off the ledge and do this and do that. Get off the ledge. Harvey come out here. We'll still go to lunch and go to dinner. Hey, Damon was going through. I was going through. I was rooting for him to be together. I didn't want him to break up. You know what I mean? So, no, you got to be a good person. Shout out to James Frantin the Roy. Yeah. Yeah. Sir. Yeah. Open God is wrong, Dylan. Got it right. Just being quiet. Just do the right thing for people. You did that. Yeah. I like what you're doing. It's okay to be nice. It's okay to be nice. It's okay to be nice. Anything got to be is you've got to get something from it. Just do the right thing. But I'm and I'm I'm really hoping that people are are understanding that you know, it was the talent. Of course, it was the eye, the love for the thing for sure. But the character is is a lot of what has sustained you and and protected those relationships and things that are should still aren't clapped at this day. I had a great mother and father. Yeah. Never seen my parents drink, argue, fight, smoke, God bless, you know, whoever does that God bless you. But I had integrity in our house. We ate at 730. My mom would say, how was your day? I was your day and we talked. My dad cooked every day. My mom only cooked on holidays. We had, you know, people come to our house that was homeless or needed somebody to talk and my mom would be like, oh, baby, just here for the weekend. They needs my, my dad just going to pray with them. So there was integrity at hello. And I still carry that in my, you know, my day to day walk like it's free to say hello. It's free to say thank you. Cause nothing. When you sit down at either the table, you should act the way to what is your name? Yeah. It's consideration. They're bringing your food. Yeah. Well, when you want to say, have a great day or I think you are, I appreciate you. It's not going to kill you. But we get so caught up in ourselves in this world that we do in our business is like, you know, there are people too. Like people are supposed to do these things. Exactly. Yeah. Like, no, it's not cool. It's not cool. It's not cool. And it shows the lack of respect that you actually have for yourself. That's rare. Yeah. And you've gotten so mighty, but you can't even be respectful to somebody bringing your food to you. Person you would want to be. You want back to go back. Exactly. Quick fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, but this is great, guys. I'm so honored and just and it's so much like, you know, we have to come back again for more because I can't remember everything. No, you just, I just, I just figured out as you go along. Next time I'm going, yes, I'm not discovering prints. I can't even, I can't even, those iconic pants. I cut those. But you know, it's like, you know, you forget what you do. I forgot that I was on John like this management team. You know what I mean? You just forget. You forget. But you know, it is what it is. You just, you just got to like every time you think of something new, you got to, you got to write it. You got to have like a book. So writing a book actually right now. You should. Yeah. You should. He's his, his is worse than mine. Oh, you're, I'm always with tank. I'm going, I ain't tell you that. He like, he like, no, he didn't tell me that. You didn't know. He's like, it's like a single one day. So after I got kidnapped, I said, what are you talking about? He said, I ain't tell you I got kidnapped. No, you didn't tell me you got kidnapped. Oh, yeah, I got kidnapped. So that is crazy. No, but I'm really, really sad. I'm excited about this book. Really, really. Yeah. What I did, so I, when I did dance music when I was 13, I'm going to make an EP for this album. I mean, for this book, that's going to have eight songs with me singing on it. Really? Yeah. You should have been back in the lab. Yeah. I already did. I mean, the songs already know. I scraped. I love that. That's great. Each chapter of the book is a song that I wrote, a producer did something with. Yeah, I want to hear that. I'm excited about it. It's really, really good. And again, like I said, dance music is something that's very passionate to me. Oh, you see, I see. I see. Oh, he's fixing his mic. He made a whole lot of dance money. A lot of dance money. Jesus Christ. Come on, find it. Still got a little bit of a kilo. I've been hanging out. I'm a tried anyway for you, Vendona. Vince, we've known you for a long time, brother. And we are still discovering things about you. Man. Great things. Great things. Put on your journey. We know that a lot of these things that you've done have been inspired by. Someone. Yeah. Your vocals, you're producing your writing. Ah, there are people that you've studied. There are people that you hold dear. And on our be money, we call them you'll. What we call them, Jim. It's Ashley. Yeah. Your top five. Are I'll bring it on up. Your top fire. Brush out the trap. Let me see who will be my top five. I think my level one will be Stevie Wonder. Oh, it's all over here. You done? You done? You done? You're a top five. Hush. R&B singers. That would have to be CB Wonder. Come on. Why not? Probably good old Whitney Houston. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of guitar after that. R&B. So love Mary J. Blas. Why not? Yeah. Joe. I love Joe. Barbara shop Joe. Barbara shop Joe. Mm-hmm. Cream, cream, cream. Who else? I'm more. I probably have to say Michael Jackson. Mm. Sing a list. And not in that order. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. I'll take all of that. Yeah. Very strong. Very strong. We've heard it then. OK. Your top five R&B songs. Gosh. Don't be really hard. All I do is think about you. CB Wonder, Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney say, say, say. Hey. Just look at Rick. Yeah. Look at that. Look at that. Somebody tried to tell me I saw one good one day. Oh, me. I saw you serious. They just, they just were jealous. I said, great way to put it. Who else? I did the bar to Ellen. Oh, it's waiting for you. So that record. And I'm sure. Probably chewing it about cool in the game. Yeah. I saw cool in the gang in there. It's a really good record. All right. We got four. You see what else going to be five? The song that Teddy Pinaigrass did. It's like a wedding song. What's the name? What's the name of that song? I can't think of what it's called right now. You need to Google it? My phone's dead. You get no service down here. Oh, yeah. You get no service down here. So we're definitely in the dungeon. You know, thanks, famous. We got it. You know, I got to keep him hidden, man. You know, we've had the moment they find out what you said, man. Oh, yeah. That's it. I said, come on. What would you say? See? That song, how did you know that? It's a big record. All right. It's a really, really good record. Yeah. OK. Let's make your Voltron. There are going to be super artists, OK? Who are you going to get the vocal from to make this artist? Are you going to get the performance style? Who are you going to get for the styling? You're going to get for the passion of the artist. And who's going to write and produce for this artist? And she knows it. So that would be vocal. Dr. Valkyrie, what vocal? Michael Jackson. Michael's performance style. Chris Brown. Chris Brown. Come on. You're going to pass, OK. The styling. Styling. Gotta go back to MJ. Cauldron. Buckles. Glitter. Military. Huh? Yeah, the military. Military. Mike is just special, man. Yes. Like, it's like, you don't get that no more. Well, you know what's crazy? I mean, he was clearly from the future. He was clearly. Yeah, alien clearly. But he did so much. He covered so much ground to where it's hard. It's hard not to be great without grabbing something from him. And he did it in such a short time. Mike didn't have a lot of albums. No. But the impact. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. All levels. Never be a. Never be an impact of that. Mike, he covered all of the ground. Yeah. Can get just be a whole bull try to wear no matter what you do. It's coming back. You want to be great. He comes out. You have to. Cool. You have to grab something. But he was he was intentional. And everyone's not intentional. Yeah. He was intentional. Like, he set out to be innovative. Yeah. I've never heard Mike say one time, like, that's what practices for. They practice. We tell him I practice. That's a practice. It's what. And people don't practice no more. Nope. They just get up and they go. Because it's it's this little thing, right? And I'm gonna let you get back to your vote, right? It's this because you said, Mike, it's it's spark something in me. And then you start talking about practice, right? It's the thing where maybe everybody could moonwalk. But the way he moonwalked and the way he practiced his moonwalk. And as often as he did his moonwalk perfection, it almost just became his moonwalk. Absolutely. And it is to me to this day. It's Michael moonwalk. Yeah. Everybody can do it all they want. No one. You can't tell no, no, you can't tell my son that the moonwalk existed before Michael Jackson. Absolutely. He won't believe you. Nope. Oh, I forgot one thing too. Just another song. SOS band. Tell me if you still can. Yeah. Great record. Great record. My son calls that the happy song. It's a play in the car for all the time. Great record man. Again, no pro tools. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm all about that. Passion. Passion of the artist. Who you can, who's what artist has the passion that you? Amen. Back to Mike. Mike is just the epit if you want to be an artist. Study him. There's not like study the greats. So you can be greater. And then no. And don't study. Don't study. The greatness. Don't study after the after. I've got to study all the after because once you see the videos and once you see the show and all that. That's shit. You can, you can get confused if you don't figure out how he got there. Right. You got to study it all. You got to start from the beginning. Yeah, you got to start from that living room. You got to start from where he picking fabric. You got to start in that living room. What is that? What is that? Why are you watching James Brown? Get in here. In that little room. You're going to be here all day till you get it right. 2300 Jackson Street. Gary and me. I was going to be here with that little, uh, was that mouse or whatever he was wearing with it. Like there was something that triggered him that made him different than anybody else in that house. It's born different. Yeah. Yeah. He was called to a higher purpose. There's something about being great and there's something about being phenomenal. Yeah. Michael was phenomenal. It's out of this world. He was out of this world. He tried to sense every generation. I just have to about myself. I'm just phenomenal. And that's not what the ego guys. Yeah. I just know in my soul of souls, I'm not going out to lose. I'm going to do whatever it takes to make it work. Yeah. When Brenda Romano and and his coach team told me they couldn't get the Gaga record just dance that we worked for nine months. What did Vincent do? What did you do? What did Vincent do? Vincent went and got $20,000 and started breaking the record out of Canada. Oh. That's what I heard in the country with it. There's no excuses. Wow. Shout out to the homie cobe, you'll down the Stu manager. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Break it back down. So Acon was on the record first. Oh. No, I knew that. Steve Rifkin wasn't clear to record. Oh, shit. That's how Kobe got on the record. Wow. Diamond record. Hey, man. Is someone who will clear something? You need me. It's like we'll clear something. No, no, no, no, no. There's always a backstory to a story. Yes. Yes. But you are the backstory. You are the backstory. And it's like you have no reason to ever do anything else but tell the truth. Steve would not clear the record. Love him a death. Good friend of mine to this day. But everybody don't see what you see. Yeah. Everybody don't get what you get. Yeah. Now after the fact, everybody wanted to dance and just dance and party all night long. But you've got to be able to see it when no one can see it. Yeah. When there's no frame around it. When it's just absolutely abstract. Like when you go to these art shows, like art basil was this weekend, people were seeing the finished product. What did it look like before it got to art basil? Did you see that? How many paintings did you throw away? Yeah. How many renditions? How many? Yeah. You know what I mean? How much paint did you go through? How much did it cost you to get to that final painting? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So you've got to be able to have vision. And that's what I feel like. I have that. I just think God for it. I don't know where it came from. But I just have the vision to know what something is going to be. But for sure anybody else does. Not that. Who's writing and producing for this artist? Quincy Jones. For myself. You ain't Quincy. Absolutely. Two greats. Ha ha ha. Yeah. I got another one though. I got another one just for you. What executive are you taking it to? Who you partnering with? No, no, no, no, you got it. But who you partnering with? Out of all the great executive you name. Yeah. Because it's that now. Now you got pick one. Yeah. Jimmy RV. Jimmy's one of the greatest record guys ever met in my life. Yeah. And I'm so on it that I got to learn from him. Because he made me be better than myself was when I met him. It gets me emotional because it's so many different things like stories. I mean, Jimmy just had a meeting that we have with just us. And how the process of that project took a life of his own. You know, the records when I would play the records for him from Gaga. He would be like, oh, you need to give me that record for Nicole or do this or do that. For the pussy cat dolls, whatever. And that's what artists don't see how hard you fight. Yeah. You fight. I fight for my artists. I never took no. I never took like, oh, let's think about it. Let me come back to it. Like the artists don't see that. They don't, they don't see it. They don't get the opportunity to really understand what we really do as executives and as visionaries and people that are behind the scenes. They don't understand it. Like there's so many things that you don't even tell an artist because you don't want to mess up their morale or the energy or their provision of what the future could be for them. So you block those things from them. And then they take it on as you try to do this, you're trying to control. No, I'm actually trying to be a blessing to you. So you don't hurt yourself because you can't with door what I can with door. Your ability to hear, you know, no, maybe different than mine. I take no, it's a blessing. The no sometimes the blessing just like the yes. So tell me no so I can go work hard. But some artists would take that and lose their mind. But we're not putting your record out this month. We're putting it out next year. Okay, cool. That's going to give me more time to make more better records. So the no is a blessing. Yeah. We get so caught up in the yes. And that's real. Now you, listen, you can't game today. You came to cook. I came to be a blessing. That's what somebody's like, you know, because it's okay. Yeah. Y'all cooking y'all. I'm telling you, y'all need to take this show. I'm not telling you to do your business, your business. But there's R&B in London. In Japan. In Australia. In Spain. In South America. I've been there. There's still videos going on. There's still record stores. People are still excited about concerts. Like call your friends and tell them. Yeah. That's that. To be with my friends. To be with all of you. Please. We should try. We should go. We. Yeah. It's incredible there. We put up a show for Tey Mar one time. We went to Paris. We put the show up in one day. The show was sold out the next day. And the people at the epic at time was like, what are you doing? Why are you taking it to the iTunes music festival? I'm like, yo, she's on television. And they're black people over here too. Right. They people they couldn't speak English. They knew every song. Because of television how powerful television was. But people felt like they went on that journey. And they got to see the story. Yeah. Yeah. Television is still the most powerful tool in our world. Yeah. Because when you think about it. How many stars have came out of American Idol? Yeah. How many stars have come out of the voice? But those brands are still on television. Because people want to go through a journey. They want to have hope. They want to share for something. Give them a superstar in the middle of that too. Right. Right. It's helped. Yeah. But this show should be all over the world. It's bigger than what we're doing right now. It's just you guys deserve that. It's just the magnitude of somebody saying we can do this and go make it happen. Yeah. Because they're waiting for it. They want it. They want it. Our world in America. I think kind of sometimes gets a little distorted. But the rest of the world. And I love America. But I'm just saying those other countries are so excited about music. Never. Super, super, and especially our music. Like, think about what music comes from. We all see Elvis. Absolutely. There was a lot of black people he was studying. Oh, my whole lot of. But nobody talks about it. Because everybody feels like it's going to fit into my eyes. Like, now the truth doesn't offend you. Why is it a thing you could you got to keep remembering how to lie? L. I. L. The truth will set you free. And on that note. I said no. I said no. I said no. I said no. I said no. We was. We was with. What you did. Don't say she. Yeah. I said no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to need to get one of these endorsements too. For the keyboard. You know, I just said it. It's so how many kids. How many kids are there? We don't we don't. Just the grind. You guys will keep some grind on us. Let me tell you about people they want to fill inspiration. And they want to build this fight. Kardashians has showed this world. And more ways than one people just want to hope. Yeah. They just want to hope. Yeah. Awesome. Hope. We're going up this thing. We're going to give them some hope. We're going to give them a row. A row and a something. You got 20 days. You got 24 hours. You got 24 hours to do something great. I want to have to make no calls. I'm going to make it call to somebody else. Oh, that is great. That is great. All right. So we've come to a very important part of the show. This is known worldwide. This part of the show is known worldwide. You tell us this story. Funny or fucked up. Funny and fucked up. But the only rule to the game is you can't say no names. No. Let me see. There. I don't know. Let me see. Funny or fucked up. Are both. Can I be about the music business? No. No. You can't say that at all. She's your travels around the world ten times. Yeah. Probably more, but you know. You have to get two hands through it. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. Oh, it's just a two. All right. Let me see. So there was just one time that we were. We were at the old Tourina in London. And. That's why I was laughing. They were saying it's about something with our good friend. But they lost a hard drive. For the music. For the whole album. Done. They've lose the hard drive. And this young lady. Got so emotional. Pete on his cell. She had the hard drive for herself. Oh, man. I don't think people recovered from that for like a week. Everybody else. Oh, it's all right. She had the hard drive for myself. Oh, man. I don't think people recovered from that for like a week. Everybody was so mad. I just like, they're like, I don't know how you do that. There's another time. This is funny story. It was on a bus. Tour bus. Big, big song. It was done in like an hour. The song was great. Everybody was having a song. The engineer raised the background focus. Oh, my god. You can't make this up. And the artist lost her mind. Lost all the background. All of them. You've all been in those sessions. Hit the wrong button. It was saved. It was saved, man. It's like every time you just continue to save. He's supposed to keep it in shape. Sort of great engineer does. Which we don't have a lot of those neat. Talk to top. Because everybody thinking to themselves, so engineers don't have a job. I. I need a good engineer. I'm not fully. No, I'm saying I'm not neat. That's how I operate. You got to have a good engineer. You can't do it any other way. I have no desire to be an engineer. To be an engineer. None. Because I want somebody who's good at that. Really good at that. We have to start appreciating and respecting. You're engineers. Not even just engineers. What other people do. I think singers should be listed. I mean, I write it. I really do. Think about it. You're going to dope beat. The beat is incredible. It's a great beat. Speak on it. But until that song gets over that beat, it's just a great beat. When the song comes over the beat, it becomes a great song. Yes. Really good make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make One instrument, one instrument, the trumpet and produced all those great records. The greatest album of our lifetime. Shh. Who is he Jones did not make beats? No. This is what he's saying to you. Come on. He played a trumpet, but he had the sensibility of an incredible ear to know what a great drummer was, a great bass player, a great guitar player, and a great sense of what a song, a great lyric, great sound of it, all of it. He saw the record from the front. I don't think we give him enough credit. He was Z. Exactly. Exactly. It's no part of that record that he didn't touch. That he didn't oversee. Absolutely. And that's a producer. That's what a producer is. Yep. That's what a producer is. You're absolutely right. We're going to learn him. Yeah, we're going to teach him. Yeah. Because he's getting out of hand. People, oh, I did this beat. Now that AI did a beat or did you do the beat? I don't know. I didn't do that. Then there's that. You know what I mean? It's like, come on, we got to be careful with that. Oh, I love it. I love it here. Maybe face-praper-ducer too. Oh, yeah. I worked on his album too. Was there something like that? And I was, no. The soundtrack, when he got the shirt on, he had up the duke font. He was on Epic. Would it just be a self-tieded album? Was this part of it? I think it's the first time I've been in a self-tieded album coming out of the deal. Yep. It's a great songwriting. What do you see? A great producer. Oh, okay. Let me see. I'll show it to you. That one right there. What do you think about it? Over to the right. Yeah. What's that? That's the tenderlover. Okay. That's the one. So you want to deliver? Yeah. You're just not writing the shit down, man. You know, I promise you, if I said it and thought about it all day, I wouldn't be as green as I am. I don't know. I don't sit there. I don't sit there and stand. Jump the shit down. Stand the loaves. Like going Netflix specials and writing books. Yep. We need all the information. I'm doing a affordable home care. I mean, homes where people in Newark, New Jersey, I'm working on that. Yeah. So that people that can't afford homes that we be able to get them. My first project is going to be 15 homes that I'm doing with the mayor in Newark. I'm proud of that too. Yeah. As you should be. So now I'm able to help people have a better life and a better place to rest their head. It's so much that we can do in life. We get these platforms to do this. Yes. Absolutely. We'll be gloating ourselves. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep. I love that brother. Shit, man. You've done it all. Hey, man. You're doing it all. Me too. More to be done. Yeah. Still more to be done. Well, where's where? Where's where you want to do? We're here, brother, to, you know, to go around the world. Take care. I'm going to be in time with you. Tank was definitely out part of your life. Save us some seeds, man. Oh, my God. I love to take. I wish to go see that play with taking it the first day of the first movie. Oh, yeah. It was so great. You did a incredible job. Thank you, brother. It was really, really special. I didn't say to shake your hand about you, that work. I told my girl, let's go. She's like, oh, you're not going to stay and take a picture. I'm like, man, is that work? No, that's the whole point. You did a great job, man. Did you take your pictures, man? I didn't take a lot of pictures in my career. I didn't take a lot of pictures. I just did the work. I just did the work and I put my head down. And but now I'm definitely going to tell my story, though. Yeah, which is going to lead to more work. Yeah, absolutely. And we're glad you chose that. And I want to do more work. Like I produced four songs on this new Chris project. I never was a skate at the work. That was afraid of that. But it's like, you know, I feel like when people are trying to be or to attain to something, they need to know who they can go to. Absolutely. And that's not me. Who they can get this? And who they can get this information from. Absolutely. They can look to and who they can be inspired by. And I think you, you, you having this conversation and, and, and getting this off your chest. In this manner, gives people a compass. Absolutely. Gives people a North Star. I'd be like, is you know what? I need, I want to go look into more of what that is and, yeah. And, and, and the house and the wise and the who's that, that made that thing go. Because that's what I want to be. So that's the importance of, you know, you coming here and, and having this conversation with us and, and killing us with shit, we know, we know. Now, thank you. Thank you. Well, I appreciate it. I'm excited about it. The next time we do this, I want to be able to have people, you know, send us a song or bring me something. You know, make it where you give people an opportunity for something. I look back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got this new group called Highland Avenue that I'm doing. It's like a new young Beatles. This other girl who's like the new guy guy. She's 21 from New York. Invite people into your world that can't get there because somebody did it for us. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody let their hand out and said, I'll listen to it. I'll do this, you know, you got to, you got to pay that for it. That's what I'm doing with Chris, which is new record. It's like, I'm paying it for it. Yeah. The guy helped me. I got to help him. There it is. Well, brother Herbert, elder Herbert, you're an amazing brother man. You're a friend of us. We are proud and excited to choose chosen R&B money to come in and really share your story man. We truly, truly, truly appreciate that. Yeah. I appreciate your... Awesome. And I did it with people that I like, that I love that I care about because people don't do what I've done that look like me. Yeah. That's a real. I've made the biggest pop superstar in the last decade. Congratulations. But black men, they don't happen. Yeah. They don't let that get there, but you have to be honest with yourself. We all can do it. Yes sir. You should have them the opportunity. Yes sir. Well, thank you guys very much. We will find this money here. We got money's never lost. Because it's out there. It's right there in front of you. We can go get it. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tank. I'm Jay Valentine. And this is the Army Money Podcast, the authority on all things, R&B. Yes sir. And we have been around the world at least 10 times. We ran out of fingers. We only have so many times we've been around with this man right here. Mr. Dixon Herbert. Yeah. Mr. Dixon Herbert. Yeah. This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed human.