“We Found A UFO At The Bottom Of The Baltic Sea!” -Treasure Hunter Dennis Asberg

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That's when he came upon what you might call an underwater UFO, or what's now known as a USO, an unidentified submersible object in the very remote Baltic Sea. It's something that makes our instruments go wild sometimes. It's on the ocean floor right now, so me, my crew, and a Mar-Can deal from Yes Theory went to go see it. Sitting 90 meters below the surface, 60 meters wide, this is one of the weirdest objects ever detected by humans in the ocean, period. Yes, round and down we have these corridors, you have angles, 90 degrees angles. When you say corridors, like... Yeah, you have a corridor and you have walls, flat walls. Wow. Dennis has now confirmed that it is not attached to the seabed floor, so it's not a natural geological formation. I have never seen anything like that before, not left my colleagues either. Electromagnetic anomalies are rampant around it. It breaks down GPS, subsea rovers, drones. And then when we have used the ROV, the ROV stops working. Really? Yep. We lost GPS? You were close to the object? Oh my god. We have video of smoke coming out of the water above the object, as if it's fuming or emitting gas. And then you see like it's from this hole, this milk is going, you know. Something is moving, yes, breathing. Yeah. Yeah. Almost like a biological organism or something. But it doesn't stop there. It was literally struck by lightning. An occurrence often considered a high watermark for its unlikeliness. We also have video of NATO ships encircling this object and tracking Dennis's OceanX crew in the middle of the Baltic Sea. We had a meeting at the headquarters in Stockholm. I said to one of the people there, have you been there? Have you died on it? And he just looked at me. No, no, no, no. We have not been there. But I'm filming you. I have filmed you. So I know you have been there. Nothing. He don't say anything. Whoa. You'll get to see the full extent of what we found at the end of this video. Whether this is an ancient sacred temple, a crashed unidentified flying object, or an unidentified submersible object, whatever this thing is, it's definitively weird. And like the object under the mesa at Skinwalker Ranch, it seems to have a life of its own. So without further ado, sit back, relax, and prepare to take a deep dive into the abyss with this week's amazing Swedish alchemist, Dennis Asberg. So we're 60 kilometers out at sea, kind of the epicenter between Finland and Sweden. We're right above the spot, right above the Baltic Sea anomaly. And it just feels like we're in the middle of the ocean, to be honest. It doesn't feel any different than anywhere else. One of our videographers, Phillip, unfortunately threw up. I think I'm the only person who hasn't taken the seasickness medication, which is probably pretty stupid. Now we're sending the ROV down, the remote operated vehicle. And we can see what it sees, although visibility will be low, so you can only see maybe max, maybe a foot in front of it. And then we're also going to be doing some sonar scanning and try to get a better understanding of the 3D structure that we're looking at with the Baltic Sea Anomalies. And how deep is the object? 90 meters. It's a very unconventional career that you have. When did you start to get into treasure hunting and exploring all these unknown things in the ocean? Exploring and have been interesting in history and all that thing have been, since I was a kid, something I grew up with with my parents, because they were also interesting in that area to find out things and search for things that nobody else have found. So it's a natural thing. I have grown up in a family that works, not works, but have an interest in that field. Was your father an explorer? No, he was a diver, but he had a other job also, but he was a diver also. Okay. And did you grow up reading about explorers? Yeah, that was the, yeah, yeah, of course, reading history books of course and fictions also and going into these things with the treasures and shipwrecks that had disappeared with interesting cargo. So that had been interesting for me and have always been the interest for me. What was the first shipwreck you went looking for? When I really go into commercial diving and in that area was for, I mean, it must be 15, 20, 20 years ago, and was together with Peter Lindberg, my friend, and we did exploration in Baltic Sea and we found wrecks with liquor, cognac and wine and different type of things, booze ships. That's the money. That's the booze are still valuable. Yeah, of course. And you still drinkable and? Yeah, some bottles are still drinkable. We found also one of the oldest wine in the world from 1600. Drinkable. Oh my God. And cognac on its way to this Russian Tsar drinkable and we have tried it also. Peter and I was very strong. Unbelievable. What's some of the more interesting shipwrecks that you found or maybe one in particular that you remember that has a story attached to it? Except the Baltic Sea anomaly. Except the Baltic Sea anomaly. We're building up to that. Wow. It's many, I must say, but one very interesting wreck we found was 2015. We found the Russian Tsar's submarine, Somme. Yeah, building US 1904. Oh my God. And the Russian Tsar bought it and used it in the war against Japan. And it was out on a mission in the Swedish water. Should not be in the Swedish water. It was. And it was a collision between the Swedish cargo ship and the submarine. So the periscope went off and 18 men down the bottom. How do you, what sensors do you use to locate an object? It's very easy. It's a size can sonar. It's a sonar that looks down to the image you get of it. So and then we use ROV and of course we have dive on it also. What's ROV? A remote operating robot under water. A little sub-seed. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So that we have used and after that we did dives on it also to really identify it and see if it's what's that submarine we have before it was. So interesting. And so when you find these shipwrecks, you know, with cognac and wine and that sort of thing, is this your business? Do you then go out and sell that on the market? I wish. Do you have finance or something? No, we have, as you know, we have the situation here as we have in other countries, so in the whole world with the pandemic and the virus and also the war and lots of things are going on. So it has not been easy. So we try to sell this wine and cognac and things on the market and the interest was zero. Now nobody was interested in that. No way. No. That's why you said you drank it. Yeah, I drank it myself at home now instead. No, no, no. So it has been very difficult because we have spent lots of time and money on this project because we believe this is can finance or other projects. Yeah. But the interest has been weak, very weak when it's come to that. Interesting. So are you ever able to sell or make a business out of some of the stuff you find, or is it mostly just for passion or for history? No, I mean in that case when it's talking about the bottles of champagne and cognac and wine and things like that, of course we have it and hopefully we're going to sell it in the future. But I don't, you know, I won't have lots of money for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but that is something I don't think about so much now. I should invite myself over for a drink. You can get the drink of course. Tell us about the Baltic Sea anomaly. The Baltic Sea anomaly, yeah. What is it? Wow, good question. The Baltic Sea anomaly, okay, it begins like this. We were out on a mission this time to find a wreck, special wreck with champagne on it. We were out for almost a week and then we have problems with the boat, it's begin to leak and we almost sunk with the boat. So it was very scary, but we managed to come to the harbor in Finland to repair the boat. And we have been out for one week then. And then we decide to go out to a new area and search there with the side scan zone. And see if we find this special wreck. We were out and we searched in a new area. We were quite tired, I must say, after one week and then we had all the problems with the boat and leaking and so on. So we were tired and disappointed. We have not found the wreck yet. But now we're going to search in a new area and hopefully we're going to find it. It was a night time, I think it's one or two at night. Me and Peter and our friend Flores, we are sitting in front of the screen. And we have the side scan zone in the waters and there we see a wreck and there we see something there. And then this thing popping up on the screen, this huge thing. I mean, we're talking about 60 meter and a meter and it's round. And you have this track at the bottom. So I remember Peter laughing and oh Dennis, you know, here is UFO. And I was, what? Then we began really to look at it and it was so odd. And nobody else have seen anything like that before. Anything like that. And round potholes you can see, of course, mines and things from the Second World War. But in this case, we're talking about the big thing, 60 meter and diameter. So it's 3000 square meters round thing in the middle of the ocean. 3000 square meters. So huge. Yeah, it's huge. Wow. Yeah. And nobody had ever seen anything like it. And it was round. It was like a circular. Yes, round and then we have these corridors. You have angles, 90 degrees angles and so on. So it looked like an artificial structure. Yeah, it looks like that. We went home then after we had done this with the side scan sonar. And we go deeper into look at this data we have on it. And Peter and I, we're sitting in front of the computer measuring, you know, that okay, well, it's possible it can be that or construction from the military time or from the World War and so on. There cannot be any things like that. And then we talked to friends in the same area as we are in US, Australia and Europe and showed them the pictures and they said, no, we have never seen anything like that. What have we found? Where did you find this? And no, no, no, no, we don't say anything about that. So then after one week or something, we don't get any help. I decide on or we decide on to go out public with it because I want to have somebody can say what it is because we have experience of course, when it's come to exploring and shipwrecks. And we have never seen anything, but perhaps somebody have seen something like that. So I talked to a journalist here in Stockholm express and it's a big newspaper. And I went there with my laptop and showed them the data and they, you know, they were very surprised about that. And then I explained for them the purpose we were out there was researching for that and that wreck and then we found this instead. So they were, oh, wow. And then they're sending up me to the office and I talked to the manager or chief there. And then I understand that they are interested in to public go out with this information. And I said, okay, do it. Hopefully we find somebody that can help us with this because we don't know. We don't know. And we have friends that don't even know about it. So that's was the start of something crazy. Yeah, it was because I was never in the spotlight before. And in one, I mean, the first week was in the Swedish news and then Scandinavian news. And then after that week after it was international news. And my phone is ringing all the time day and night, day and night. And I turn it off sometimes because I was so tired. So I talk about the same thing like over and over and over with all the journalists. And I say the same thing. I find something. I don't know what it is. I don't know, but it's all it's strange. It's unique. We have never seen anything like that. As you know, on American Alchemy, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. This is about technology that helps the body catch up and feel good. I'm talking about the iris or LED face mask, a red light therapy system that uses clinical grade wavelengths to boost skin cell energy production. The same exact principle used in the top recovery clinics and bio optimization labs in the world. I've been using it most nights, 10 minutes while I'm reading, prepping for a show or decompressing. It's completely hands free, comfortable and engineered to deliver consistent light intensity across the face. Not that uneven scatter most cheaper masks use. It feels like your face is taking a warm bath. 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Total or flat. It's like almost 90 degrees angles like that. Yeah. So I don't think I'm not sure that's what we try to figure out now. Can the nature create this? I don't know. But it's so odd. It doesn't look like coral or any sort of rock that you would see on the sequel. And you must be familiar as somebody who has probably traversed a lot of the world and looked at the ocean floor for a lot of your life. Yeah. And I'm sure a lot of the people working with you at the time as well. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, now it's very, very strange and not only that, it looks odd and strange. We have been out there a couple of times and every time we have been out there, we have problems with our equipment. What just happened to the boat? You lost it. You lost GPS? You were close to the object? Oh my god. Like what happened? The radar showing things that should not be or not there. So one time we are there and the radar is working properly, but then something popping up on the radar. And I remember Peter said to me that then is look at the screen and I look, what? Okay. And I go out and we're alone here, but should be something 150 meters from us. Nothing there. And then another position. Another position. How big are the objects showing up on the radar? No, no, you cannot see how big it is on the radar. Okay. You see something. Some object. Yeah. And then when we have used the ROV, the ROV starts working. Really? Yep. And when we have dive on it, the camera stops working, the light stops working. So there must be some sort of electromagnetic? Probably. And the GPS function is not working properly either. Really? Yeah. There's maybe magnetic anomalies as well where. Yeah. That's what I think. Every time we are there, even now in June when we were out, we have the same problem. Equipment malfunction every time. Yes. And you got to go down in a fair day cage or something. Yeah. So that was very strange also that we have these problems. And we were out again now this June and with another ship, Stockholm University's own ship, with their own equipment, not mine equipment. That's perfect. And it's much better equipment that I have. Sure. That's old things. Yeah. But so we were out and I remember I talked to the crew and also Thomas, the captain on board, and mentioned for him all the experience we have out there with all the equipment, stop working and all the stuff, you know, GPS and so on. And then we were quite close and Thomas said to me, okay, let's start then. We begin with a multi-beam. So we get the 3D image of the object. Yep. Perfect weather, good conditions for everything. And then we go over the object and Thomas said to me, Dennis, we have problems with the GPS function. And I look at him, are you joking with me? No, Dennis, we have problems with it. With the GPS. Do you used to have problems with it? Nope. What happened with the GPS? It's not working. Lost connection, totally. Really? Yep. And then we go over it and go back and the same thing again. Wow. Yeah. So interferes with radio signals, changes compasses, messes with the subsea drone and rover. So there's some sort of electromagnetic thing going on down there. And you said you know what the color is now. What's the color? Stefan was one of the divers down there in 2012. And he brush off the sediment of it and it's dark black, dark gray, almost black. Interesting. So he touched it. Yeah, of course. And when he touched it. He tried to take samples also. Did not manage that either. Why? Too hard. Too hard. Yeah. Interesting. And when he touched it, did he feel anything or notice anything? No, he did not mention anything about that either. But he said it's very odd. And he had never seen anything like that before. And then one thing I remember when he was coming up, he said to me that the temperature usually at that, that is around four to five degrees Celsius. Now it's almost zero. That you know, it's not possible. Interesting. So almost zero degrees. Almost freezing. So this alarming is in his equipment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he must have been very cold. And then he go to a hole like 20 centimeters in diameter. And when you're down there, you have the sediment and you get like milky. The water gets milky as you understand. Yeah, dusty. Yeah, dusty. And then you see like it's from this hole, this milk is going in. And out. And in and out. Something is moving. Yes, breathing. Breathing. Almost like a biological organism or something. Wow. But it was hard. Yeah. Too hard to get a sample from. Yeah, cannot. Perhaps if you drill a cord drilling or something. But there's a hole where sand is coming in and out. That's so fascinating. If all these anomalies that you've experienced, do they increase when you get closer to the object? So I guess the way you would instantiate that it would be like if you had the ROV or if you had maybe a compass and you were getting closer. Does it get more intense the closer you get? The anomalies get more intense the closer. That, yeah, we have problems with the equipment the closer we get. And it's a clear rate of acceleration or increase of the. Wow. So it really feels like it's a source of. I forgot something. It's important. 2009 team we were out and. I know we were out in Finland and did the diving work there. And we had some friends there that we have done expeditions with before. And I remember their love, you know, Finnish guys, you know, Dennis, you're yuking on, you know, you don't believe in that. It's a stone you have found. They said to me, yeah, of course, perhaps it's a stone, but still it's unique. You have not seen anything like that. No, no, that's right. Dennis, next next time we're going out. Can you come along down with your equipment? Okay. Okay. He said. And then after a couple of months, I said to them that we're going to go out now on a mission. You want to come along with your equipment, your ROV and everything. So they come to Sweden and go out with the ship. And Peter and I just, you know, checking what they're doing, their equipment and coming to the spot. And they go down with the ROV and he's sitting there. And the first thing when he coming down there is, okay, this is, this is strange. This must be manmade. This is constructed. This is a unique heart. And in your product. And also some sort of novel that is related to nature. And then they go down with the manmade. And I just, what? What did I hear? And I look at Peter and he said, yeah. So. So even the skeptics, when you bring them to see it first hand. Yeah, they understand directly. Was something for sure that we have found that is odd. And yeah. And you must be familiar given that you have an interest in UFOs with the fact that you have electromagnetic anomalies occurring in many UFO sightings and cases. Even close encounters of the third kind, you see the main character with this, you know, big sort of almost like sunburn because they're basically experienced this sort of, like basically a red shift. Of, you know, electromagnetic light. And, you know, Travis Walton is another good example where he's in Arizona with his friends. He gets out of the truck, he touches the UFO and he gets almost kind of zapped because of the electromagnetic activity. There's geomagnetic anomalies where a lot of UFOs show up. So places like Skinwalker Ranch or Mount Sengun Mori in Japan next to the Fukushima Prefecture, their nuclear civilian grid. You always have these geomagnetic anomalies. Hesildon, you have, you know, magnetic anomalies as well. So that is a common theme in UFOs. Yeah. I remember when he said also when he was down with the ROV, this Finnish guy, then he said, it looks like a power line. It's something very, something like a power line. We don't have any power lines there. Nothing. Looked like a power line. Now, but you know, the, the, with the instrument they're using on the ROV, was something that is putting out energy of some kind. Wow. It is, it looks very strange. It might, it might be a cloud of methane, that it's a methane seep from the bottom. I don't know how close we can go, but we have seen this growing now for a while. It's lots of things and even weather phenomena, like thunder, thunder and lots of things just on the spot. Really? Yeah. That's fascinating. I forgot lots of things when I'm talking. But lots of things have happened out there. Thunder on the spot. And like nowhere else. Yeah, exactly. And it like, the, the, the lightning hit the water? Really? Yeah. So it's like a conductor or something? It's true. It's true. Oh my god. We have filmed that also. You filmed that? Yeah. Oh, this is amazing. This is the most exciting thing ever. So now all the, all the things together that, you know, you cannot let it go. No. You must. That's why I have fought for this for so long time. I mean, if you just list the anomalies, you have biological material in a dead sea. Yeah. You have right, you know, right angle corners. Yeah. You have an object that's 180 meters. So it's very big. Yeah. You have, it's hard. You see that's detached from the sea floor. You have electromagnetic anomalies that it's causing. Then you have thunder conducting, hitting it. Yeah. I think that's extremely, and then you have a team of people who have been diving for each for decades. Yeah. All having tons of data points. And they've never seen anything like it. Yeah, exactly. So I think that's very worthy of investigation. Yeah. And so some people might be wondering because it's, you described it as a round object, but it also had right angles, you know, and right angle corners and stuff. How does that work exactly? It's not a flat, you know, disc as many perhaps things. It's quite rough surface around it. Okay. And then you have these corridors and angles. So, and it's not round in the corners. It's rough. It's perhaps it's broken. Okay. Have been there for a while. So the circumference is 180 meters. But if you look at from upside, it's round, but still it's. There's some jagged right angles and stuff. And right angles in a way where it's not just a little sliver or whatever. It's like longer right angles that apply artificial construction. Yes. Fascinating, man. Yeah, it is for sure. Have you seen all the remute viewers that have done all the things about Baltic Sea? No, have they? Yeah. Shit, man. When we were in Sweden, I called Joseph McDonagall and Angela Ford and they helped us with this. Okay. So we should do it. We don't have reception, right? Or do we? No, we don't have any connection. I was going to say, I could easily call them. Well, what did they say? What did the remote viewers say? Oh, that is constructive. And it's, some have said it made a bowl. Really? Yeah, it's some kind of energy source. Really? Yeah. Energy source or what? I don't know. So what remote viewers say this? They are lots of it. I have, I can send you the link though. Oh yeah. Please. But I'm going to write it down. But the cool thing is also when the Finnish guy, our colleague from Finland was here, he mentioned, okay, this is man made, this must be constructed. It's, and I, and it looks like it's a high voltage thing. And I just high voltage. So that's like something that put out high voltage. Like power. Who said that? The Finnish guy. Wow. And I have it on tape also. That's amazing. I have it on tape. We have filmed everything. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. And the meteor that happened. The day after we went home. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy also. What's the story there? Oh, you know, I did not see it, but it was on the news. That happened on earth. Yeah. Like one or two times per year. A meteor impacts earth one or two times per year. Yeah. And the day after. And so, so you went out here. I was here exactly on my way home, on my way home the day after. What year were you here? Oh, this June. Oh, June. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So it wasn't in use that the big meteor from over Holland and over here. Wow. Or perhaps they're going down here. And was it like pretty much in the center of the Baltic Sea? Whoa. Crazy. Right after you went. You did. And there was. I have to be held please. And there was no sonic boom or there was a sonic. Yeah, it was. There was a sonic boom? Yeah. Whoa. Lots of witnesses. See that. Crazy. Yeah. For sure. So some sort of energy. You know there's a guy named Christopher Dunn. Yeah. He thinks that the pyramid is an energy generator. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I wonder. Perhaps there's a connection. Like I don't know. Yeah. Never know. So we will find out. I can't wait. And so how do you get to the bottom of something like this? Like what do you what steps do you even take to figure out what this is? Yeah, you know, I'm a explorer and a treasure hunter. I'm quite good at that when it's come to find things. And when it's come to this, we'll find out what this is. That's why I have this you're you log in people from the university that helps me. And they have opened the doors for me. And I have one person that I must you know, she's wonderful. And that's Beatrice Villareal. That the person that opened the doors for me before that. I mean, for 15 years I have tried to get attention. People get interesting in this. Yeah. And I have been at places and I talked about that and they say, Oh, then they see it's very interesting. It's very interesting. But you know, I don't want to get involved in this. You know, the stamp on UFO and things like that. My company, but it's interesting. I follow you. I follow you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But nothing else. And then I met Beatrice two years ago, I think. And because I have always been since 96. And of course, when we found the Baltic Sea interesting in Europe, UAPs. And and then I've, you know, met Beatrice for the first time. And we find each other there. And we have the same interest in finding out what's going on around us. Because I'm already convinced 100% convinced. So and I'm, you know, I'm a doer. I do it. I'm working for it. And I don't give up. And it's the same thing with Beatrice. We we're working together now. She opened the doors. She had the keys. So the scientists we are working with now are very excited and have been out there now. With us. So we're going to go out again because it's unique. They have never seen anything like that before either. So wow. That's great. And these are guys with experience of underwater objects and ocean objects and that sort of thing. They all say they've never seen anything like that. Exactly. And you made a video recently that went kind of viral on Twitter where you say, you know, I've seen some really amazing things with the Baltic Sea anomaly. You know, we're going to talk about this soon. Is there anything you can speak to about about that? Like what you found in this last trip? Because you just went out there, right? Like not to. I was out there. It's so interesting that we must go out again with the scientists because I trust them. I trust them because I have no experience when it's come to that. So if they're saying, I've done this, this is interesting. We have not seen anything like that. We must go out again and take more measurements and test that and that and that with different type of instruments and so on. When they are saying that, I get, whoo. As you know, I'm always on the hunt for things that help me stay sharp, focused and full of energy while I'm diving into life's mysteries and making this show happen. 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It's so fascinating. And so what's the next step after this? It's more testing or? Yeah, of course. It's lots of things we must do. It's of course to go out again and take core samples, not from the object as I understand it, because that's quite difficult. So, but if we succeed this time to get more data that are very interesting, of course we must go out again and take core samples, but that that equipment is quite expensive. So core sample? Take from the object. From the object. This would be like drilling into it. Yeah. And that's not easy. Sure. Yeah. And it costs lots of money. So, but I hope it's so interesting that we do a core drilling. Yeah. As anybody thought to stick their hand in the hole that's breathing in this. Believe me. Yeah, many and even I. But you haven't done it? No, no, no, we have not done it. I mean, it's a risk. We don't know. That's a risk for sure. But as Beatrice and I have talked about, we have talked about that, perhaps we're going to use the ROV, the smaller ROV. To go in. Yeah, we have this big hole. Yeah. Like two meters in diameter. Yeah. I mean, the ROV costs lots of money, but perhaps it's worth. Does the ROV have like night vision? Can it correct for it? It must be dark down. No, you don't see anything really. Even if you have the, you must have a sonar on it. Okay. So you put the sonar on the ROV. Yeah, I have a sonar on the ROV. So I see everything around it. And it's a side scan sonar. So you end up with a 2D. No, no, it's not a side scan sonar. Side scan sonar is something you have behind your boat or ship. Okay. When you try to find anything, then you have a blue use sonar on the ROV. Okay. There you can see a front, like a picture in the front of you. Okay. There you have no visibility. There you can see anyway. Okay. It's like a radar. Okay, it's like radar. Interesting. So you basically get the structural formation. Yeah, of course you can see small details also. But you can't see optical, right? You don't see an image, right? No, it depends. If you're lucky, you can see perhaps a 40 or 50 centimeter front of you. Okay, a little bit. Yeah, it's difficult. Yeah, that is fascinating. Yeah, it is. So interesting. When you started to talk to the press about this even back years ago, why do you think like military or aerospace or I don't know, anybody didn't want to check it out themselves? They did. Like authorities, they did. How do you know they did? They were lurking around in the waters when we were there. Really? Yeah. How do you know? I filmed it. How do you know they were authorities? Were they Swedish authorities? No, NATO. It's NATO. It's where French and German and American British ships around us. Really? Yep. And then also the Swedish coast corvette go quite close to us. Suddenly we saw in the distance that this must be some kind of Navy ship heading directly on us. Turned out to be a Navy ship, an actual Swedish one. And it shouldn't be lurking around in those waters. They just stopped and were laying there and we were going in a search pattern and they were in our way. And we called up on the radio and said we have divers in the water, please move. And they did. But still they were there. It's crazy. Yeah. And then we have airplanes. So how many, how many did you film? Six, seven ships. Wow. Big ships. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. So you think they were there for you? It was not normal to see them all there. No, no, no, no, no, it's not normal. I don't know. I mean. But how many other dives have you done where you're looking for cognac and wine, where you've seen six or seven ships from various different NATO countries? Not many, I must say. But when we dive on the submarine we found 2015. Of course we have the Navy and the Coast Guard was there and boarding us and you don't want to investigate what we are doing and so on. And it was a... So that sounds like a similar thing because it's of interest to the government, in this case, the Russian government and in this case it's of interest to NATO and many governments probably. Yeah, yeah, of course. And then when we were home, they got a call from the Swedish, let's say, it's like FBI in Sweden and they want me there directly. Come over here, we want to talk to you. So I did. And it was about the submarine we have found and what people I am talking to and they want to know everything about it, the Russian people I am talking about, I'll talk with them and so on. So it's... Yeah, but every time we have been out in the Baltic Sea, except now. Yeah. Except now. This time nobody. Interesting. Yeah. Why do you think that is? The ship we're using is owned by the government, the Swedish government. Ah, so they get the data no matter what. I don't know, probably. Interesting. Maybe somebody on board is working on their behalf. I hope not. I don't know. Anyways. Yeah. The Swedish FBI, did they contact you about the Baltic Sea anomaly too? No, no. When it's come to the Baltic Sea anomaly, we had a meeting at the headquarter, military headquarter in Stockholm. And I remember I said to one of the people there in this group, I said, you should know, I mean, you have been out there and lurking around and laying there and watching us. So what do you know about the whole, have you been there? Have you died on it? And he just looked at me. No, no, no, no. We have not been there. But I'm filming you. I have filmed you. So I know you have been there. Nothing. He don't say anything. Whoa. So they have been there. And probably we've died there also. They probably died down there. But they might also not know what's down there. They might know. No, no, no. Yeah, of course they have died down there. But do you think what they know, what it is? Do you think they've classified the object or classified it in terms of they know what they're looking at? Or? I mean, that's crazy if they have not done that. I mean, but still, you know, the crazy thing is also it's not on international, it's on international water, but it's also on Finnish international economic zone. It's not on Swedish water. Finnish economic zone. So it's a little strange that the Swedish military ship are there and also other ships. But you know, it's, I don't know. But they have been there and probably died on it or use ROV and investigated themselves. But when we were at the headquarter and talked to them, they said that we know nothing about it. We have had no ships there. Did you, but you filmed it? You filmed it, you have evidence. When you went to the military headquarters, was it explicitly a meeting around the Baltic Sea anomaly? Exactly. And they called you in? Yeah. So, okay, they definitely had an interest at least. Of course they were interested. Yeah. But then they acted like they knew nothing, they had never gone out there. Yeah, and we show all the data, all the information from them and for them and then, yeah. Is he just buying it? Yeah. Is it a Russian, is it a Russian drone? I see it's cheap. Yeah. You see it's cheap. Well, you're a long way from home, my friend. What's the greatest ontological shock that you've experienced around the Baltic Sea anomaly? Yeah. Ah, shift is so many. But the, the, the, I mean, the first time we saw it, the first time we saw it. Yeah. That was the experience because we have never seen anything like that before. Yeah. So we were very confused and of course, I mean, curious to what it can be. And then after that, we have done our things down there and the PFO have been down there as a diver. And they explained for me what happened down there and what he had experienced with the temperature all the angles and walls and poles and things like that. So when you see it yourself, or photos or film, then you begin to understand this must be in some way constructed. Have any skeptics come to you and said, I think it's a rock? Have any insight? Yeah, of course. All of that? And what do you say to them? Perhaps you're right. I'm not sure. The only thing I can say, I have no experience when it's come to that. I have never seen anything like that before and not let my colleagues either. So nobody have seen things like 60 meter in diameter. But that was the first thing we did to send it over to France and people that we know are working with the same things that we do. And when they saw the pictures, of course they were curious and wondering, why have we found this? We found this as I mentioned that without the Baltic Sea. Do you have a top theory as to what it is? It can be something that is constructed on the spot. It can be. Long time ago, perhaps before the ice age, I don't know. And that's why I have never given up. When it's come to this, because I want to know. Even if it's rock, but very strange rock. I must say. With all the angles and holes and the surround object, it's also separated from the bottom. It's separated. How do you know that it's separated? Sub-button profiling have we done. So we can see the layers. Wow, amazing. That's really incredible that it's definitely separated from the bottom. So it is not a geological formation. It looks, the data say that. That's amazing. What's it called? Sub-button profiling. Sub-bottom profiling. And do you know how that tech works? Yeah, it's like a radar. You go down to the ground and you see all the layers on the sediment. So we know it's attached to the seabed, but it's not. It's not a part of a mountain or something. It's not a geological formation. Not part of the earth. The data say that. That's pretty amazing. So it's an object. That's why it's so important that we do this investigation. Continue with it. Yes. With different methods. Because it's, of course, interesting. This is your latest idea. It's unique. It's game changing. It's huge. But you can go even bigger with AI-powered PDF spaces in Acrobat Studio. Turning your files and links into actionable insights and content. Plus, share projects and collaborate seamlessly while keeping everything private and secure. So your excellent idea stays yours. Do that with Acrobat. Learn more and try it out on Adobe.com. That's how it, at least that's how it felt for me. I was having a hard time melting it. I had a hard time melting it. I was talking to my friend, Dennis. We're sitting there. I just spoke to your colleague that you mentioned, Beatrice Villarreal, who is amazing and discovered all sorts of very cool things in her own right. She talked about the importance of having a hypothesis and having an idea of what you might be looking at so you can test against that hypothesis. Yeah. I mean, I've seen some astronomers suggesting that you should just look without any hypothesis and do like classify things like your classifying butterflies. I think you're not going to find anything. Well, obviously. Because you have no hypothesis. You don't target your experiment. Yes. And you are going to invest years into that. And you might have a great, like, great catalogue of things. But I'm not interested in the catalogue. I don't know really what to think about that. It's something for sure. And if it is UAP or a crashed UFO, it should be cool if you have found that, of course. But at the same time, with all the data we have now, it cannot be a volcano. Even if it can be a volcano. But when I talk to scientists and look at it now, it's not a volcano. It should not be like that. Is it an asteroid or a meteorite or something? No, it should not be that. Then you have this and this and this. OK. We are like, why can't it be an asteroid or something? Then you have a crater. Right. Yeah. And no crater here. It's standing up. It's standing up as if it's an artificial structure on the sea floor. Yeah, it's laying on the bottom. And how big is it again? 60 meters in diameter. 60 meters. 60 meters. Yeah, it's big. It's very big. Yeah. That's so interesting. So let's find out this town. So your two top hypotheses are that it's either a UFO, maybe something we're not alone, maybe something from space. Or you think maybe it's an artificial structure that was built before the younger dryest period. Maybe when there was probably flooding, there was flooding. We know meltwater, pulse 1B in 9600 BC. Before that, you had water levels were different. And maybe this was on land and it was built at that time. Can be like that. Yeah. So something is built there. Either one is very interesting. It's fascinating. Yeah, yes. And you're reasonably confident that it's detached. That the object is not part of the sea floor. A big stone or something. Yeah. Now, as we can see it now, the data we have from the last mission or where we're at, it looks like it's separated from the bottom on the data. But we're going to go out again and do it one more time. That's how we must do it. Did the diver that you mentioned before who I think it was Stefan? Stefan Hagerborn. He touched it. Yeah. Did he say it felt like anything? No, not really. He was surprised it was dark under it. Ah. It was gray like gray when the sand. And then it took that away and it was dark, almost black, gray black. Did he say it looks natural or artificial? No, nothing about that. He didn't say anything. He didn't mention anything about that. Interesting. Yeah. Did he mention feeling anything being around it like, oh my god. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He have never ever, and this is, he have been diving for a long, long time. He's well known in Sweden when it's come to diving. How many years has he been diving? Since he was a young guy. Okay. But anyway, he's… How old is he now? Same age, 60. Okay. 60 meter. So, and then… So 40 years probably of the time. Yeah, yeah. Probably more. More. Still, you know, he said to me that when he was up, because he was, I saw in his face, he was very confused or, you know, sit in his face. And I was, of course, curious, what have you seen? And then he said to me, Dennis, I have dived a lot and I have never, ever seen anything like this. Wow. That was probably the most important dive I've ever done in my life. And I've done maybe 6,000 dives in my life. I would dive for an expert to tell me what I've seen. Wow. Yeah. And then he explained for me about the hole, he explained about the temperature, and he was brushing off the sand, the sediment, it was dark under it. And he tried to take samples from it, it was too hard. So he takes samples, that loose samples on it instead, like loose stones. And where did those stones, have you tested those? Yeah, we have tested in Israel. And are those stones, did they come back normal or? They found minerals, of course, nothing that really sticks out and basalt, volcanic stones, they found. But at the same time, when I've talked to the people, the scientists, they say, you will never find any basalt in the Baltic Sea because you don't have any volcano. But then they said that probably, if you have found it, it's coming at the ice, you know, the end of the ice age. It's melting period. Coming from the Atlantic, and being the Baltic. But I don't know, I don't know. Interesting. So it's almost like when you look at an ice core sample, and you can kind of see what carbon levels were in the sediment layer of the ice or something, this might be a record that it was an ancient structure that was built from a long time ago, the fact that there's even basalt there. Is that kind of what you're talking about? That's a very interesting test we're going to do. We're going to do a core drilling, not the object, but around the object now. And even it's this track and see if we see any layers. Smart. So that's important to see how long it's been there. Have you brought a Geiger counter down or measured any active? This time we're going to do it. You will. Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. This is so fascinating. What do you want this to be a contribution to humanity, or what do you want for this? The truth. The truth, yeah. That's the only thing. And even if it's a rock or big rock, I want it to come out because I want to do like check. I have done this now. I can go further with my other projects. Are there any other rocks with corridors and right angle? Not only that. As I mentioned, with corridors and holes and things, I forgot one thing. Very important. I have a triangle like this with a hole in it. A triangle? With a hole. With a hole. How big is the triangle? Like 15 centimeters, 20 centimeters like that. Whoa. With a hole in it. Yeah, the hole. Like a perfect round circle? Yeah. Almost as if it was like laser cut or something. Perfect on the object. Any writing? I assume not. No inscriptions. As I mentioned, we were lucky when we found this on a film. But it's a big object and visibility down there, as I said. It's pitch black and it's difficult to see things. But we saw that and probably we will find more next time we come out. That's so fascinating. Before the Baltic Sea anomaly, were you interested in UFOs at all? Did you have any interest in unidentified flying objects, space, aliens, anything like that? Okay, let's go back in time then. I have talked about this before and I can do it again because that was something that changed my life totally. Back in 1996, I lived outside of Stockholm, not far from here. I was a military engineer, very close to a military installation. I was an explorer and entrepreneur. I had my businesses and doing lots of things. I was a daddy to two boys and I have a wife and a good life, a perfect life. The only thing when it's come to UAPs and UFOs, I saw Star Wars, ETs and aliens. No interest in when it's come to UAPs. I did not think about it. I was busy in my world. So anyway, that thing that changed my mind totally was 1996 in the summer, in the early summer. I lay in my bed in the apartment, not far from this military installation. I have a big window in front of me. I wake up at 3.30 in the morning. Usually I sleep a long time. I used the time for sleeping at that time because I'm working a lot. But this morning, I wake up of some reason. I still today don't understand really. I have thought about it of course. But I wake up, lay in my bed for 10 minutes and I decide to go up and drink water in the kitchen. So I'm sitting in the bed. I have a big window in front of me. And outside the window, I have this military installation, FOA, it's called, in Swedish. So I'm sitting there in my bed and look out to the window and see something that should not be there. And it takes me a couple of seconds to really understand that I have something in front of me that should not be there. Should not be there. What is it? Yeah, good question. And then I'm getting frustrated. You know, when you see something that's not fit, you know, it should not be there. I get to use, I begin to use my F words and try to get my wife's attention because she's sleeping behind me. I want her to see that also because it's something. So you're making a little scene. Yeah, yeah, of course. And then stand up and turn around and look at her to what, you know, and she looked at me as scared because, I mean, that's not Dennis. I'm quite cool guy. And this in the early morning. So then I turn around and look again and went out to the window and it's still there. It's still there. And then I begin to understand this is something very, very odd and strange I have in front of me. And then the thing happens that when you see it like this, it looks like a hot dog and it's brown, it's yellow and the sunlight is reflecting on it. And then it's going like this. It's dark under it. And then I see it's round before I don't see it around. Then I see it around. Then I see it round. And then after one second, one and a half seconds, it's. So what shape is it? It's round. It's round. But if you see it like this, you don't see it as round. But when it do like this, it's round. Interesting. Yeah. So you just saw it. It looked like a flat plane because you were looking at it from the side. Like a hot dog or a cigar or something. Some sort of long line. Yeah. Which is a common people's tic tac cigars. And then it turned and you saw that it was round. And then it popped off. And how long did you see it for? 14, 15 seconds. How far away from you standing in front of the window? One and a half kilometers. One to one and a half kilometers. Wow. So it must have been a pretty big object. It was a big. It was not as I mentioned to many people, it was not the bird shit on the window. Yeah. And not the bird or it's was something very, very strange. It's amazing that you woke up at that time. Yeah. Was it around the military installation? Was it over the military installation. Interesting. Yeah. And does the military installation house any sort of nuclear stuff? I guess there's no nuclear in Sweden or there's nuclear energy and fun craft and stuff. No, no, no. Pletonium and lots of other things, the nuclear things they work with there. Because I did my investigation because I was, you know, wow, I have seen something. Now I must figure out what it is. I tried, I must try to find out if I can find any information regarding this or what I have seen. If anybody else have seen it. So local papers at that time, 96, we have Alta Vista, you know, and Modem, you put your phone. And then you call, no broadband. Internet service provider mode. So it was local paper, military sites, and also my friend in the military, I talked to. Nobody, nobody have seen it or heard anything about it. So then I contacted Ufo Sverige, UFO Sweden. You haven't talked to one of those guys, I think. Clos one. Yeah, yeah. So this is like the official investigation, civilian investigation. Yeah, in Sweden, yeah. So I mailed them, but did not get any receipt or anything back. So that was a shock for me. And that was something that changed my belief totally, totally. Before that, nothing at all. So I remember when I saw this thing, I got my, I got her attention, but she did not come up and saw it. Anyway, it's flowing over my house. And then I run over the bed over her to come to the other side and a standing there like, what, where is it? Where is it? And I see, don't see anything. And then she's coming and then is, then is what's wrong? What's wrong? I don't know. I have seen something. And then after that, my two kids are coming. Papa, papa, what's wrong? And I'm this morning, we sit in eating breakfast and I try to, in my best way, to explain for them what I have seen. And later that day, we go down to this area. It's a protected area, it's a military installation, so we cannot go in. But anyway, I go there because I have reference. I saw that there was one part of it and that was how big is it? And then I begin to, okay, must be like six, seven hundred meters in diameter. So we're talking about the big thing. Wow. So, yeah, that's what happened to me in 96. That's amazing. And you looked into it and you realized that the military installation, that site, does like plutonium enrichment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that seems to be a huge pattern, as I'm sure you're aware of. After a while, they begin to understand that the reason perhaps they are there. Yeah. While there are plutonium enrichment sites in the U.S., Savannah River site, South Carolina, or Hanford, Washington, there are a lot of UFO sightings over both. In fact, one of the earliest sightings was over Hanford plutonium site in 1945, this pilot named Bud Clem. So it's a very common thing. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, that was something that began, I mean, that was the time that I began to think about, okay, we are not alone. Something are here. So you started to get interested in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Did you start to read about the topic? Yeah, of course, of course. I tried to find out if somebody else had found, seen anything like that. Look at pictures and because we did not have YouTube and things at that time in 96. But then I saw pictures and now nothing like that, and nothing like that, and nothing like that. I really tried my best to find out if somebody have taken a picture of it or something. Fascinating. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Simply Safe. And this Simply Safe On is the sound of peace of mind. Simply Safe's sensors, HD cameras and 24-7 security monitoring protect your home inside and out against breakings, fires, water leaks and more. So you can relax. Visit simplysafe.co.uk slash pod for an exclusive discount. I saw two UFOs in 2020 and then I was just became obsessed and I had it like kind of a prestigious job in finance or whatever and I was like, all I can spend time on is this. And so I, yeah. That changed your life totally, though. Definitely changed my life. Yeah, our experience, as you know, I have experienced lots of other people I've talked to that have experienced, they have changed their life totally. And not only their life, only their family's life, because you get, you'll be another person. Yeah. It opens you up spiritually too. And I think, I think I was nihilistic before and I didn't believe in higher things, you know. Me too. I was like totally focused on my, you know, myself and my family and my career, my business and everything what I'm doing and then that happened. That really changed me. Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. The meaning of life, we need to think about who are we, who are them, why are they here and so on and so on, you know. That's why it's so important for me and I know for you and lots of other people too. Yes. You cannot just leave you back or just walk away from it. No, you can't walk away. You cannot do that because you have your whole life in you. Yes. Maybe the way that the beings are speaking to us is through the discoveries, you know. It's like their language. Yeah. Perhaps they don't want to just give it to us. They want us to find it. I think that's right. That's every, every story is like that, you know, King Arthur, you know, any, anything, it's always, you have to search. What do you say to the people who say, oh, well, Dennis was already interested in UFOs and, you know, he's just biased because he already had this in his mind when he saw this object. Yeah. As I mentioned, 96 that changed my life and I am an explorer. I have been an explorer since I was a kid, really. I'm a curious guy. I've always been interested in finding things that nobody else have found and, of course, make money on it so I can pay my bills and do new, you know, expeditions and things like that. So, and then we found this thing and they can believe what they, I mean, it's my, it's my, it's my life. I have always been like that and yes, sorry if they feel like that, but this is my reality. This is something I have gone through and I found something for sure that is very interesting and I'm open with it. Everything I do, I'm open with it. It's the same thing with shipwrecks. I'm doing that because I know lots of people as I was. And when I was a kid, I was curious. I look at TV and things and books and, and I know lots of people around the world are very curious about treasures. You know, I'm a treasure hunter and then I found this thing and the same thing there. I'm open with it and then I have seen something 96 that convinced me. So I'm open. I've always been like that. Say you take a core sample, you bring a Geiger counter. Yeah. You observe much more the next time, your next visit and you actually get conclusive proof that this is an anomalous object, not from earth. Yeah. What next? Talk about it, show the whole world about the truth about it. That's how I work and that's how we together be at least and I work. We want to be open with everything. We, even if it's a stone or a comet, whatever it is, I must be open with it. Are you familiar with the history in Scandinavia of specifically waterborne UFOs or UFOs that hit the water, specifically the ghost rocket anomalies in the 40s, for example, never landed on land or crashed on land. They always hit the water and lay in some stuff. Yeah, you know. Since I was out with the information in 1996, then I found it 2011, but in 1996, I was not out with the information, but since 2011 I have received, I mean, so much maize from people around the world and even here in Sweden, they're talking about, they have seen cigars, they have crashed in the water, in forest and things like that and they want to talk to me and lots of people have contacted me and I wish I could clone myself and do it. So many people. You know who Matthew Brown is? So he's this recent whistleblower, UAP whistleblower, recent UFO whistleblower in the U.S. And he encountered this immaculate constellation document within the government and it talks about trans-medium objects, UFOs going in and out of the water. But he also, he talked about it in his interview with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, the idea that some of these UFOs are made to purpose. So they're built in order to serve specific functionalities. Sometimes these might be made to purpose. So if they're only making it for a specific use case scenario, they'll design it to excel on that mission. And this is getting into very speculative territory, but there's a UFO whistleblower on 4chan, you know, it's one of these kind of dark internet forums or whatever. And he said he was sick and he didn't have much time left and it was time for him to reveal the truth. And he says that basically these UFOs are built to spec. They're made for specific purposes and they're on the ocean floor. And so I wonder if this was an object with all these, you know, kind of intricate corridors and holes and 90 degree corners that was maybe built to spec for some specific purpose and then maybe it served its purpose and it was disposed of or, you know, who knows? Who knows? I don't know. But that will hopefully we will find out when it's come to this. And since 2011 I received lots of emails and even letters on paper that the story about things that have crashed down to the water and even former officers in the Navy that have contacted me that are very scared to go out with it. But they want to tell me the story about they have seen things like that in the water. Yeah, there's even in the US there's a guy named John Pina Craven. He wrote a book called The Silent War and they talk about all sorts of covert operations in the US and finding things on the sea floor. And there are rumors that the Glomor Explorer for Hughes Corporation was maybe, you know, subsea to find sort of objects like this. So I think there's a long history of crash retrievals, you know, in the ocean. And it's fascinating. And then I don't know if you want to touch on the Baikal Lake. Do you know the story of Soviet divers going down to look for something and they get Patrick like they need these tall human beings? Interesting. When was that? In 80s too. 82. Yeah. Because it's a big story in UFO lore of just like these soldiers that got Patrick. When was that in the lake or? Yeah, lake Baikal. There's also there's another story somewhere in Hawaii. This guy, David Noble White Crow, because he's an Indian guy. He was a UFO witness, but then he was stationed somewhere with this guy who apparently dove on an object in Hawaii. And the idea was maybe it was related to the Starfish Prime test series. So the Marshall Islands, you know, atomic tests or whatever, where UFO material supposedly came out of the sky. You know, I interviewed a guy, Harold Malmgren, who basically on his deathbed said that he held in his hands UFO material from that came out of the plume of a blast from Operation Blue Guild Triple Prime. And it was given to him by Jeff Bezos' maternal grandfather, Lawrence Preston Geiss at Sandia National Labs in Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Amazing. And so anyway, so this guy, David Noble White Crow, was stationed with this other guy. He said that he dove down and saw some sort of object, but that it was almost alive. And it was, I think Dolan might talk about this as well, Richard Dolan. So the object itself was like breathing and it was organic. And he didn't know why he was this kind of, you know, in intelligence circles, often they say, go find a thing and you don't know what you're looking for. And so he apparently looked at the object when he was down there. And it really shocked him. He became, it was ontologically completely shocking. He was like, what am I seeing? And it was because it looked organic and it was like breathing. So, and then I think about the whole with the same. Yeah, but you're saying something very interesting because when we did the samples there from, we take from not from the object, but from that laying on the object, it was organic burned material. Organic burned. Whoa. So like, but, you know, I'm not the specialist in that area, but it was, it was dead. So it was like charred, like? No, something at high temperature, very high temperature, and it's like basalt, as you know. And then when it's cooling down, the layers on it, when you're scrapping it, take the test, what's biologic? How'd you know? The science, I mean, it was biological. Yeah, they test it. To contain DNA and stuff. No, that I don't know. Okay, but it was biological. When you say biological plant or animal. Can be, I don't know. Some sort of tissue or something. I don't know. Fascinating. Nothing. It's dead sea. Dead sea, so no, but this had biological material. Yep. So normally you would never find biological material in this area. No, no, no. The fishes. That's fascinating. Yeah, not out there in the middle of the Baltic Sea. But nothing we can say that's more descriptive than biological material or not a specific animal or specific animal. No. Wow. So, but hopefully this time when we go out, we're going to take more samples. Cord drilling, as I mentioned for you, but we're going to take, hopefully we can take something from the object, but if not, we take new samples from different spots around it and even on it and do our investigation. You know, look at it. Amazing. Well, Godspeed, man. I'm very excited to see what you find. I think it's very cool what you're doing. And do you think, I mean, do you believe that you'll succeed in figuring out what this object is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do. 100%. Even if it's a stone or a volcano or whatever it is, we will find out. I don't give up. We must have an answer now to what it is. That's, but it has been a tough time, 15 years and gray hairs and struggling with this to convince people to get into this. And now we have the right people involved in this project and I'm so glad for that. But it has been a tough time with threats and people that want to hurt me or my family. And so it's had been tough also. I'm sorry. In many ways. Any specific threats that you can talk about? Not really, but you know, you get maids and like threatening me and my kids and lots of things like that. Horrible. To make me to stop or yeah. They literally say stop looking for the Baltic Sea in Honolulu. No, we know what your kids are. We know what Tindigad and they are. Now we're talking about my youngest kids. Now they are teenagers and about that time they work in the kindergarten and school and they said that we know about your son there and daughter there and that when I was what the, you know, Jesus and be careful about that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I still have the maids left, you know, you do. Yeah. And lots of it. And then people that think I'm open the door to hell. Really? Yeah. Like you're opening a gateway to hell. Yeah, gateway to hell. So I'm gonna blame me on, you know. So it was tough. And then to, if you have a wife, you know, family and I must be open with everything. If there's threatening me and my family, I must be open with this. Being public is the best. Yeah. And that was very tough for them to accept that and they did not really accept it. And it was tough for me. I mean, then is what have you done? Don't put this put us in the in this situation, you know, and was tough. But they have, you know, supported me and this because it's important. They know that's important for me. And now we are here 2025 and we are out again. And hopefully we have an answer this year what we have found. And but even if it's a stone or whatever it is, I will continue to work in this area to find out are we alone or we are not alone. But who are they? Who are they coming from? Yes. What's the purpose and so on? Yeah. So that that is something very important for me. Well, I think if the people mailing you didn't think it was real, they wouldn't be so vociferous and aggressive in everything they're saying. It's implying an insecurity that they actually think the thing is real. If they think they thought that you were obsessed with a volcanic rock for 15 years, they wouldn't be threatening anything. No, no, no. We all on the crew, everybody on the ship and also as I mentioned the Finnish guys. And we have been out there and it's the reason we are going out. Not many times have been out there, not for a stone. I mean, we have seen something that have, you know, make us confused. Do you plan to document what you find throughout so that you can, I think it's important maybe for just as a defense for yourself to show the process as you're finding things so nobody can kind of deny that you because you have evidence that you're doing it as you're doing it. Yeah, we of course, we have a plan for that. And we have filmed when we were out last time with little filming, of course. We don't have any film crew with us or any production company because I have been a little, we do it ourselves now in the beginning. But we have changed our mind a little now. We must think about perhaps to connect a team or get in contact with a team that can film us and document everything because I think there's lots of things are going to happen when we are out now this time and hopefully later. That's what I hope for. And it's good to have one film also. Well, we're available. Yeah. Good morning. Do you see anything? Not yet, no. And with the drone, we were flying on the or hovering on the surface. And we saw some rear lines. Some tracks. And something I would say like rust. And not the ground color. Like rust, like metal. I looked at it and it was right down here. It was not first tuition. So like it was a little bit like old metal. Hey, you know how to keep it off the dog. You know what it is then. But just the running theory. Why would there be metal? No question. Now you see. Fall it down there. Oh yeah, it's like a wall. That's the picture you took when you dived for the first time with your RV. So this is higher resolution. Yeah, because the range is smaller so you got the... And it's even straighter than the one. How long is that super straight part? I would say that's... It must be at least 30 meters. That's 60 meters the whole thing. So what are the chances of that? Crazy. Yeah, I don't know. But it means that one day we can have one of these objects in a museum. So a kid can like... Exactly. Can look at it and be inspired and understand the potential of possibility that exists in the universe. For me that was the pyramid when I was a kid. Yeah. I grew up half an hour away from it. I know the impact of having seen something that almost doesn't feel like it belongs to this reality. And like ever since I think I said that on camera during the Grudge documentary. That's why I'm in it for it. I hope that our work and every interview that we do can push people to... Yeah. That's why it's so important for us in this... You know, what we are doing is that we work together. Yeah. That we really... Instead of he's doing you know what I mean. Lots of people in different groups and then you know I don't want to speak to them. I think the phenomena doesn't open itself up to you unless you have that orientation of like... Loving and humanity that will reject you. Something perhaps I forgot to mention or was about... 96. You know, go back to 96. I was parents. I had two young guys. I was occupied with all my businesses and exploring and so on. Something I thought about later. Perhaps a couple of weeks a month after that incident. Incident was a feeling I had. A feeling that usually I don't wake up so early. At that time I was a young daddy you know and blah blah blah. And I used my time to sleep when I had the chance to sleep asleep. Don't go up four o'clock, three, thirty in the night. No way. As now I'm an old guy. I won't go up and pee. That's what I'm doing. I'm going to wake up of some reason. Of some reason I don't understand today. And perhaps... Perhaps there was that feeling I had in some way. And I begin to think about it later after a couple of weeks. Perhaps there was some plan for me to wake up and see it. Because I had the feeling after it, not in the situation. Then I was angry and pissed off because I did not understand what I'm seeing. But after a week or two weeks I begin to... How come? And I talked to my wife at that time. How come? And she said, I don't know. You used to sleep a long time but this time I wake up. And was something. I put my finger on it, not something. Do you know what a time loop is? Or a closed time like curve in physics? No. It's two connected points in time that couldn't exist without one another. They're entangled. And so a classic story is Carl Jung, the Swiss psychologist. He was a contemporary of Freud. He had a patient and this patient was very kind of materialist, reductionist. Just believed in the physical world was very rational. And she had a dream that she was gifted this golden scarab beetle. And it was this very important thing in her dream. She comes in, she talks to Carl Jung, her psychologist. And she says that I don't know, I was given the scarab beetle. It was very strange. I don't know. But she's very skeptical. And as she's telling the story, a scarab beetle comes down the windowsill and lands right in the office. And so he ends up giving it to her. And then she gets so emotional and starts crying. And it opens her up to a realm of all sorts of possibilities as to how time and space work. And that there's far more beyond just our material existence and plane that we see. But the point is, if she hadn't noticed the dream and she wasn't looking out for the scarab beetle, then the dream itself wouldn't have been this self-fulfilling prophecy. And he wouldn't have gifted it to her. And the whole thing wouldn't have happened. And so there are two points connected in space and time. And so I think that could be what's happening with you right now. And it's a lot of people, I think the almost dirty little secret of UFO research is people always try to say, oh, I'm this very impartial observer and I haven't been affected by this on a core personal level. And then you get a little deeper. You have drinks with the person and they're like, okay, I saw something five years ago. I know it's real. So now I'm looking for it. And I have a similar. I've seen stuff and it was right at the start of doing this show and it really has impacted my own desire to substantiate what I saw more. And so I do believe what you just said. Yeah. Yeah. To, yeah, I saw what I saw and then I decided to be quiet about it. As I mentioned, and I tried to see if I can find any information in local papers in the military sites and so on. And I did not find anything. And I decided to be totally quiet about it. The only people that known about it was my family, my closest friends. But then on the cruising with the ship, because they were curious about the Baltic Sea anomaly, one young guy coming to me. Then he said, have you seen anything? I mean, the UFOs. And I just, I know I should not talk about that. And then, okay, let's do it. Yeah. I say it. That was the first time I mentioned it for a public or for a person. And then who knows if you would have been as persistent to spend almost 15 years looking for this object if you hadn't had prior evidence in your own life that there's something else out there. Maybe you would have overlooked it. Maybe you would have said, ah, it's probably a prosaic thing. Why would I spend so much time on this thing? So it's interesting. Even a scientist as reputable as Gary Nolan at Stanford, it's similar where like he kind of started to uncover experiences he had had in his childhood. Yeah. When he got into the subject professionally later in life. So I think it's impossible to completely separate the observer and the observed. And I think it's always honorable when anybody admits what's driving them is, you know, often a personal experience. There's no way to decouple those two things. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. Well, the journey continues. Let's find out what it is. Let's do it. Okay, great. Yeah, you're a curious guy and that's good. I'm a curious guy and that's so important for me to continue. Still, I'm alive. I'm healthy and I'm okay. But you never know. Someday you just get sick and you don't have the energy to continue. But still, I'm great now. I want to do it. Yeah. Continue to find the answer without the military or the government's. Yes, I agree. Yeah, that's important for me. Yeah, no, for humanity. For the future, for my kids, grandkids and so on. Oh, I think you will. I think you have the right energy towards it. I will do my best. I want to go doggie down there. Alchemist, did you enjoy that? Well, here's the thing. That episode was just the tip of the iceberg. If you want the full picture, head over to the American Alchemy Magazine we just launched on Substack. That's where we deep dive into all sorts of crazy topics that we don't have time to fit into every video. With weekly articles exploring all of the strange forgotten and conspiratorial corners of space, history and high weirdness. So join up today at our free or paid tiers on Substack. I am including the full link in the description of this video.