Disney Jocko underground podcast number 204 sitting here with Echo Charles We have some questions from you out in the field and we're gonna provide answers recommendations courses of action for you To help you on this little journey That's what we're doing if you're in and in just in a random part of a maze and you had four potential like ways to go Then magically you had somebody tell you of those four ways here's three things three ways you don't go and This is the way you should go. I can't tell you the whole maze We should go through this one Corridor to start That would be helpful Yeah, I would be this kind of what you're doing. I thought you're asking me a question. No, no, no I'm not I'm just trying to metaphor. Anyway speaking of questions first question Jocko was a correct quote-unquote correct thing to do in this situation My son had an e-bike his mother My wife left it on the front porch one night at a condo. We were renting near the beach and it got stolen since then She'd been shopping around for replacement on offer up in other places She then came across an e-bike that we both believe is my son's that was stolen The seller is not providing a charger and he's in the same area. It was stolen from my wife Wants to go buy it back from this person the price is way lower than we got it for so she sees it as sort of a Quote-unquote dumb mistake tax. I want to go kill the guy But I realized that's not the move besides We're not a hundred percent sure that it's the stolen bike. What we do. What would you do in this situation? Yeah, I I Understand that that when someone steals we take a violation and it's very It's possible to get quite emotional about that Because it is it's like a violation you had it on your condo like this is part of your you know your area of control And someone just went in there and took something from you that you worked hard to get right so there you go You can get all amped up about that And but here's the thing Detached perspective look we want to get the bike back we found we located the bike. It's cheap There's it so we're gonna end up paying some dumb dumb tax, right? Cool We also aren't Sure if this is the guy that stole it, right? You know did he Did someone else steal it and they joy rode it for a while and then left it somewhere and this guy picked it up I was like, oh, you know doesn't look like Did he buy that off of you know someone else for cheap and now he used it for a little bit Now he's selling it again or maybe he did steal it and if he did steal it This is like a real rookie move putting it right back on offer up like that's a rookie move This is so it's kind of it's kind of a suspect move to steal something from a local area And then put it immediately up because the cops everyone's looking right there So this is a rookie move. So that makes me question if it's actually the guy that stole it You could check with the police, you know and by the checking with the police like do you have a friend? That's a cop off record where you could say like hey man, what do you recommend we do right now? I got this guy here. It is You could go to the guy like yeah, hey, we want to buy that bike cool Go and get their information be the Venmo or whatever the zeal account like you're gonna get their number To transfer that cash once you have that cool Maybe then you say I don't You know cool thanks to the bike and then maybe you Reverse or don't send the transfer of money through or something like that and then show some pictures Here's my son on this exact same bike. Where'd you get it from? We you know, I think we need to call the police because I think you know what I'm saying So you could escalate it that way now look you could also get shot doing that. Yeah, you know I'm saying so then you ask If it were for somebody selling your bike back for a hundred bucks You're like yeah All that so all that's a possibility, but Even though it's a scenario where we want justice and revenge the price of justice and revenge in this particular case It's probably not worth it It's like if you buy this bike back for 200 bucks if you think about the amount of time In an effort you will take it's filling out a form with the police and the court system and going to Small claims court or whatever criminal court to show press charges again like all this I all this stuff now, you know, this is not to mention you get shot You get stabbed you get hit in the head with a bike lock or something like all that stuff just drama or it's like 200 bucks But the amount of things I would pay $200 to just get out of You know just get it over with like When I was a member of the AAA, you know that is me a triple back in the day And and they would process your DMV stuff for you. Yeah, yeah, I think it's all digital now So I don't really but I remember back in the day, you know, this was in the Navy too I wouldn't have an excess of money, but whatever that triple a costs Like $49 a year or something like that to have them go do the DMV stuff all day all day so you want you want you give me the choice between paying $200 and Having to go to the police station to fill out a court thing and look this guy deserves justice all that stuff He's gonna get away with it. It's gonna encourage him like all that stuff. Yeah, no, it's not gonna change his life His eyes not gonna be like, you know what? I think you're right. I was really a bad person when I did this No, they're dirt back there's come back and so they're not gonna change so I just don't Think it's it's worth all that now if you were to say man, just so you know like I know this is my bike. Here's 200 bucks. I know this is my bike You're an idiot and I have your Venmo information I'm gonna report you to the cops over anything like this happens again. I'll see you later You know, you want to do something like that where you kind of mitigate? Okay? But yeah, I'm just looking at the ROI on this thing. The ROI is not solid. Hey the emotional IR ROI of capturing this guy and Getting him busted and having him go to small claims court and having you reimburse like It's hard for me to it's hard for me to rationalize this when I look at it from a logical perspective I'm just gonna do whatever I can to get this over with Yeah, when you put it like that it it seems real clear it's kind of like you just think okay What do I want? What do I want the outcome to be? Which is usually the question I would ask but what I want that but then this one it seems like you know I'm imagining like you're in the situation Mm-hmm, and it's like your kids bike too, you know, yeah this mother But it's like okay cool. Okay. That's those are the facts, you know Like what do you want the outcome to be and then you got to kind of be realistic? I mean, what are you gonna do like freakin cowboy western style? You're gonna go freakin shoes. Yeah, like you obviously we're not gonna do that and You know in your the elements of your fantasy world probably aren't gonna come to fruition You got to understand that you know and then see okay, and then just like how you're saying Okay, is he gonna stab you or shoot you maybe maybe not but the the fact that you have to kind of take that into consideration But that's a big cost right there, especially when you compare it to the $100 $200 whatever that is you seem sane So it's kind of like in a way What if he wants $500 to buy the bike back? Yeah, I mean he didn't mention the price. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta kind of mention So you got you gotta start to think like okay if it's $500 now I might be like okay. Yeah Let me give me venue more Let me get your phone number and as soon as he gives me the phone number like hey, I'm actually not paying you I'm calling the cops right now. Yeah, you know what I mean I guess really though as far as like really being in the situation you got to find out if it's the bike That's true too like but you look dumb, but it's stolen if it's stolen and you say hey listen Like this is my bike and here's the receipt where I bought it and the serial numbers on the receipt Yeah, you can have if there's some provable. 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