The 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati pt.3

Thank you. Welcome to another episode of Fringe Beyond Limits. Woosa. Woosa. Yamaste. What does namaste mean? I don't know. I think I've heard Yamaste. Yamaste. well it's it's half half indian and half jewish like like a yarmulke yamaste so ladies how are you doing cool good so i have a thing oh so i've been watching i don't know if you heard of it see no evil i think it's nid is that a show or a movie it's a it's a crime show okay it's one of those crime shows where it's like it's a documentary a crap type crime show where they solve crimes and they mainly use like video surveillance systems and stuff like that to help them solve their crimes one thing i've noticed i'm on like season seven right now ever i would say 80 of all these episodes maybe even like 90 all it has to do with walmart why is walmart in every single crime it's either the killer shop there before or after the murder or the victim was there and they try to figure out if the killer was trying to follow them or whatever or is in their parking lot it's always walmart it's and it was funny i was watching one yesterday and they're like oh he had a receipt and in my head i'm like let me guess walmart and it's from walmart i'm like how did i know well i think there's two reasons first they have everything i mean you know you can go and find anything you want there and number two their prices are pretty low so i mean if you are a criminal on a budget go to walmart the one i watched yesterday the guy goes there at 2 a.m buys a hacksaw and then two days later goes there again buys a cooler dude really yeah you're trying to hide that you did something and you're buying a hacksaw and a cooler tell you they have everything and then i had to go shopping at walmart after i watch a couple of episodes that I was like, uh-oh, look behind my shoulder, look behind my shoulder. Did you buy a hack solid cooler? No. I bought a gift card. This was for Christmas. This was like a month ago, but... Okay. I wanted to come up with my observation because I kept, like, Walmart. Every single time, Walmart. Well, Walmart, 90% of the U.S. population lives within 10 miles of a Walmart or a Sam's Club. Yeah. So there's access. No. Family, but. So you have the proximity. Also, you've been to a Walmart. It's not Target. It's not people watching. Oh, my God, yes. I mean, last January, I had my, I'm trying to think of a creative word to say it. My accident at Walmart. I don't remember this. Oh, I told you this. I don't think so. I don't want to give you the long story, but the short story was somebody hit my car at Walmart and made my car go like 10 feet skidding. Jesus. Wow. I don't remember this. Yeah. I don't think you told us. Maybe you told us and we totally forgot because we weren't paying attention. Yeah, that's fair. Listen, I could totally get behind me totally remembering or not remembering, but me and Bree is unlikely. I think I was leaving a recording of it. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm happy you're okay. All violent and nonviolent crimes. Oh, and the other thing, this is what I learned from my accent. This is what I wanted to add to Bree's point is that you cannot, Walmart will not release their camera footage. Even if the police ask, like they need full on court subpoenas to get access to the parking lot footage, even though every square inch of those parking lots is recorded. Yeah, they say like Walmart has the best surveillance because they have literally cameras in every single aisle, every single register and outside. They have them everywhere. But they're like Apple. They just keep all the information to themselves. They don't share it with anybody. So there was no proof of who done what in my accident. because you'd have to go through the courts to get paperwork. So if somebody's going to buy a hacksaw and a roll of tape and some zip ties. Yeah. So basically, people are going to stop shopping at Walmart if they want to commit crimes. Or start. That's the PSA we're giving out today. If you're going to commit a crime, don't go to Walmart. And if you get picked up by the police, always ask for a lawyer. Never start talking to them. Like, even if you're innocent and you're like, you know what? I'm going to go help the police. No, you're getting 10 to 15. That's what's happening. Always ask for a lawyer. My hairstylist told me one of her things, she would love to get kidnapped. She's like, I think it's because I want to that no one actually does it because I'm willing. And I'm like, you want to just go to Walmart? And I told her about my theory. She's like, okay. Oh, gosh. I have an idea. I think we have a summer project. abducting Breeze hairstylist. She would go along with it, too. She would love it. Just look at her. Hey, you know me? Yeah. All right. Turn around. I'm dying you off. All right. All right. So we got what? We got Bad Blood today. Bad Blood. Who sings that song? Breeze. I don't even think about it. Breeze. Bad Blood. Breeze favorites. You know what I've got the song stick in my head? You're welcome. Yeah, there we go. All right, so some more of bad blood with the Illuminati. With bad blood. With the Illuminatis, yeah. All right. I had that last night. So jelly. We've talked through the 13 bloodlines, each a pillar in Springmeyer's map of hidden power. Some are landowners, some financiers, some ritualists, and some silent connectors. Together they form the scaffolding of a shadow empire. But even in this empire, not all thrones are equal. Five families sit higher, wielding influence that eclipse the others. Rothschild, Rockefeller, Kennedy, Merovingian, and Lee. In Springweier's telling, they are the architects, the managers, the royalty, the bridge between the East and the West. yet power this concentrated never stays stable rival rival excuse me rivalries fester yeah old packs fray the blessed envy the cursed the cursed resent the blessed cracks have begun to show whispers of civil war in the shadows sabotage between thrones and bloodlines turning on their own. What happens when the hidden hand splinters? That's where we go next. Even kings have enemies, especially each other. It's easy to picture the Illuminati as a single, unified machine, cold, efficient, coordinated. But Fritz Springmeier tells a different story behind the closed doors of elite bloodlines he suggests lies something far more human, jealousy, rivalry, and ambition. Not all thrones bow to one crown, and some families don't want to share the world, even with their own. This is where the cracks begin to show, not from outside rebellion, but civil war within the shadows. At the heart of this internal tension lies a financial cold war, Rothschild vs. Rockefeller. The Rothschilds, Springmeier claims, represent old European banking, tied to monarchies, central banks, and occult symbology. The Rockefellers are industrial tacticians, buying power through oil, education, medicine, and think tanks. Springweier implies that while the Rothschild pulls strings through inherited wealth and divine debt, the Rockefellers operate like modern CEOs, leaner, colder, and pragmatic. They don't want to share the throne of financial influence, yet some theorists suggest their disagreements have played out through currency wars, trade policies, and competing visions of global governance. Then there's the Merovingian bloodline, the self-declared royal priesthood of the Illuminati. Said to descend from Jesus and ancient Israelite kings, they represent not power earned, but power inherited by divine lineage. Springmeyer hints that this sacred book status causes friction with the more earthbound pragmatists like the Rockefellers. While the Merovingians speak in symbols and prophecy, the Rockefellers speak in policy and balance sheets. In a world of competing egos, divine right is hard to monetize and harder to control. So do you guys think that they're just infighting at times? Why did you just say? Do you think that they really are infighting at times? What's infighting? What do you mean infighting? They're fighting amongst themselves. Oh. Maybe. Okay. I mean, I don't know how you really want to answer that question. It could be Cousin Joey over here and Uncle Billy over there don't like each other. Right. Versus the whole family versus the whole family. Right. No, but I mean, excuse me. Yeah, there might be rivalries within each family. I get that. But do you think that there's ever really a quote-unquote civil war within a family? Maybe that's when we see the most tumultuous times. So like now? Maybe. Someone has one agenda, someone has another agenda, they're competing against each other, we're getting whiplash because we're the little minions in the background just observing and held a, what's like caught in the crossfire out of it all. I would think that would be more like family versus family. Possibly. You know, because I think... I mean, you can't really civil war one person against the other. Right. It probably turns into a bad blood feud. Wink, wink. Sorry, I'm just trying to create a bad blood feud between Bree and I. Yeah. I'm going to stay right in the middle of it. Swat, swat. In Springmeier's narrative, not all power struggles end in boardrooms. Some end in covert assassinations. He suggests that internal punishments, what he calls corrective removals, are common when a bloodline member steps out of line, becomes unpredictable, or threatens the balance. JFK's assassination is framed as more than a political hit, but a ritual execution, orchestrated because he defied the deeper agenda and resisted certain banking interests. Princess Diana is seen by some as having tainted royal bloodlines through both marriage and rebellion. Her death, Springmeyer suggests, may have been a symbolic sacrifice, a warning dressed as a tragedy. Lesser known deaths, suicides, or mental breakdowns in elite circles are often whispered about as part of this internal disciplinary system. One of the more famous theories, the 1912 sinking of the RMS Titanic, wasn't just a maritime disaster. It was a coordinated elimination. On board were three powerful men. Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidore Strauss, who was the co-owner of Macy's, John Jacob Astor IV, heir to the Astor fortune. All three were said to oppose the creation of the Federal Reserve, a banking system allegedly orchestrated by Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and Morgan interests, to centralize monetary control. According to this theory, Captain Edward Smith had ties to Jesuit power circles and was instructed not to slow down despite iceberg warnings. the titanic some suggest was the sacrificial vessel removing disinteres in a tragedy so massive it would never be questioned the federal reserve act passed the following year in 1913 coincidence or a chilling example of bloodline efficiency michael jackson a broken mona That was good. That was really good. Thanks. Yeah. Some theorists, not directly named by Springmeyer, but in the orbit of his ideas, suggest that Michael Jackson was a monarch mind control victim and later a de facto. He spoke frequently of being controlled, abused, and manipulated by the powers that be. In interviews and lyrics, he dropped veiled references to Handler's ritual abuse and hidden networks in the music industry. In this narrative, Jackson's death was a containment measure, a way to silence globally loved figure who had grown erratic and was no longer manageable. His estate went on to make money posthumously than during his lifetime. Another chilling pattern often pointed to in ritual sacrifice theory. To the outside world, these deaths are chance, accident or politics to insiders their warnings so i do want to do an episode on princess diana because that's definitely weird it's definitely a good conspiracy and then you can mix it with dirty diana no too soon too soon dirty diana no no no that's fine you can keep going do you know any other lyrics to that? The answer is no. I was jamming that to the other day. Well, like, on the spot. Now I'm like... Yeah. Whoop! The Lee family, positioned as the eastern arm of power, is rumored to clash with both Rothschild and Rockefeller interests in Asian trade, tech, and banking. Springmeier suggests that even within alleged cooperation, territorial tension remains. Kennedy's, though adored by the public, are often treated as useful but disposable by the deeper bloodlines. Their rise may have been permitted, but their fall has been scripted. Springmeier also hints that ritual alliances are often forged and broken through arranged marriages, secret deals, or symbolic betrayals, and that every throne is watching the others for weakness. So while the bloodlines may appear unified from a distance, up close, there are a circle of blades held at each other's backs. Every alliance is fragile. Every smile is performative. And when power is inherited, not earned, paranoia becomes the family tradition. Because in the kingdom of shadows, there's only one rule. Never let another bloodline get too far ahead. paranoia paranoia everybody's going to guess me i know they just need to stop smoking so much weed okay we have like our old podcast musical because of linette yeah i was like every uh everything you've said so far has inspired a song yeah so performing tonight's soundtrack is linette If you want to understand a ruler, don't ask what they love. Ask what they fear. Springweather's accounts, as wild as they may seem, paint a clear picture. These bloodlines, for all their wealth, reach, and secrecy are afraid. Not of governments, not of the people, but of exposure. Because in a world built on illusion the greatest enemy is the truth At the core of their fear lies ancestry itself Springmeier claims the Illuminati bloodlines have maintained meticulous records of their interwoven lineage secret marriages illegitimate heirs, royal splices, and occult breeding protocols dating back centuries. If even one complete genealogy tree made its way into public hands, it could expose connections between corporate CEOs, political leaders, royalty, and media moguls, unravel staged rivalries or fake political differences that are really blood relations playing roles, link modern-day influencers back to families with deep occult or criminal roots. Have you heard the theory that every single president, I think except for Washington, is related? Yes, I have heard that. and i think washington is included in that i could be wrong is he i thought he was maybe oddball but maybe maybe but yeah i have heard of that like if you go back far enough they all have a common ancestor they have originated from which is if you really yeah go ahead no no go go i was just gonna say if if you just sit with that idea if that theory holds any water if it were true that means everything that we've ever been fighting over is a ruse. Yes. If they're all part of a family with an agenda. Yes. They're just keeping us divided because they're achieving their goal no matter what. Yes. I mean, every little fucking thing divides us. Every little thing you do. Jesus. I do. Never sees enough for you. Keep going. Yeah. They've played us. And when I say us, I mean, as a society so well that we will never, ever rise up and fight the government for what's truly right. Because if one group likes red and the other group likes blue, guess what? We can't get along. It's that petty nowadays. You know, like you have people who eat meat and then you have other people who have this eating disorder that don't eat meat. Like we can't get along. I wonder who you're talking about. I don't know. I mean, I don't know too many people with eating disorders, so. Someone got really quiet. No. No song there. She eats meat, just not with feet. So I'm not talking about her. So I'm not talking about her. So according to this theory, genealogy is the map, and they'll do anything to keep it incomplete. What they fear more than enemies are defectors. Springmeier describes strict rituals of secrecy, involving oaths, sacrifices, and lifelong surveillance. But what happens when someone breaks protocol? In his writings and lectures, Springmeier claims that high-ranking defectors, especially programmed monarch slaves who deprogram, become priority targets. Not just for death, but for discreditation. They go through character assassination, mental health manipulation, legal entrapment or scandals, and quote-unquote suicide under suspicious circumstances. Names like Kathy O'Brien, Arizona Wilder, and even whistleblowers like John Todd are pointed to as examples of those who knew too much. We'll hear more about their stories later. Perhaps the most haunting fear among the elite is mass consciousness rising. Springmeier, the Illuminati rely on division. So left versus right, rich versus poor, race versus race. Distraction, celebrity culture, media control, and disbelief. That could never happen. That could never happen here. No, not here. But if enough people begin to see patterns, trace symbols, or understand generational control, the psychological spell could break. Springweather claims this fear intensified in the digital age when PDFs, whistleblower videos, leaked documents, podcasts, and TikToks started spreading theories once locked in secret meetings. Their strength is illusion, and the internet pokes holes at it daily. One of the deepest claims Spring-Wire makes is that monarch mind-controlled survivors who begin remembering their programming are feared more than even journalists. Why? Because they carry memories the public could never believe. Underground rituals, handlers with dual identities, instructions implanted under hypnosis, Spring-Mayer suggests their testimonies, if validated, could prove trauma-based programming does exist, expose high-ranking handlers, and also show a global system of mind slavery hidden beneath the surface. In a chilling twist, he claims the Illuminati fear these survivors as ticking time bombs, programmed to self-destruct if they talk, but often finding ways to speak anyway. So what keeps the bloodlines up at night? 1. Exposure 2. Rebellion 3. The child who survives the programming and speaks 4. The commoner who uncovers the family tree 5. The culture that stops believing in their manufactured gods, money, beliefs, freedom, and leaders Because for all their power, they know one truth you can't control a world that no longer believes your illusion is real free oh my jesus christ do you have these like written down no it's just how my brain works she did say she just bounced out the walls today so i know i'm enjoying it i think it's great i'm just curious if she had it written down. But the rest will follow. Okay, keep going. Thanks. Even the mightiest fortress has cracks. And in Springweire's portrayal of the Illuminati bloodlines, those cracks aren't in their finances, armies, or influence. They're in their structure of secrecy, their dependence on control, and their fear of exposure. If these 13 families, and particularly the five that sit above the rest, are the architects of global manipulation, then what do they fear most? The answer, according to Springmeier, and who's followed his path, lies in the few things they cannot fully command. Truth, light, and unpredictability. Their power depends on keeping the structure invisible. Like a pyramid with no blueprints. If enough people map the genealogy, connect the symbols, or allow the money trail, the illusion begins to collapse. Springweiler believed that the entire Illuminati system relies on compartmentalization. No one at the bottom knows who's at the top, and even many heirs born into the system only know what they're told. But whistleblowers, defectors, rogue researchers, and trauma survivors have threatened to rip the veil and that Spring-Lyre claimed is where the Illuminati tremble. What happens if shell companies are traced? If offshore accounts are unmasked? If central banks lose control and public trust? The Rothschild banking architecture, for instance, thrives on opacity. Control of interest rates. gold reserves, and debt slavery. But as cryptocurrencies rise and more independent auditors push for transparency in global finance, the control grid may weaken. Likewise, the Rockefeller oil industry corporate model begins to erode as global economies decentralize. In Springliner's view, once energy and currency slip beyond Illuminati control, the empire shows its first signs of economic anemia. So let me ask you guys a question because this has rattled and riddled my brain for a long time. Mind you, I'm stupid. Okay. You guys know I am stupid. So with the way the Federal Reserve works with our money in the U.S., okay, the U.S. needs money to circulate and to buy things and to run, right? So they go, hey, loan us $100. So the Federal Reserve loans the U.S. $100 at a 10% interest rate. I'm just throwing easy numbers for easy math, okay? So then the U.S. goes, thank you, and disperses it amongst the country. Everything's working fine, da-da-da-da-da. Now the bill comes and we owe the Federal Reserve $110. Right. Where does that extra $10 come from? It doesn't. It's slavery. Right. Or you keep printing it and then you cause the inflation and then you devalue the dollar and then you swoop it up and you put it in your pockets and then everyone owes you even more so. It's a broken system. It shouldn't have passed. No. How did it pass? Right. We'll deal with it later. There's always going to be more resources somewhere to make up for it. No. Now, if somebody has an answer, please, fringebeyondlimits at gmail.com, send me how it works because I don't know. Maybe we'll get an answer. Maybe that's why they want to go to Mars. Maybe there's gold in their hills. You think there's money up there? Somebody's stashing money up there. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe that's why we never went back to the moon because it was hollow and they're like, fuck this. There's nothing up here. Or maybe that's where Fort Knox money went. It's all just sitting in the moon. Hollow moon. And now that's full and I'm going to go put it on Mars and there's nothing left here. All right. This is fantastic. We're solving riddles left and right. All right. So where did I leave off? Okay. I see now. All right. One of the most chilling aspects of Springweier's work is his exploration of monarch trauma programming, a system designed to fragment and control the minds of those born into the bloodlines or used as assets. But trauma doesn't always result in obedience. Over time, programmed individuals can break free, experience memory flashbacks, or speak out. When survivors go public, like Kathy O'Brien or others, they threaten to expose the operational backbone of generational control. The weakness here, human error. Mind control isn't foolproof. Healing, love, faith, psychedelics, or spiritual awakening can undo the chains. And when one speaks, others might listen. Listen to me, dammit. Oh, we are. Okay. Springweather suggested that not all Illuminati heirs accept their role. Some become addicted, broken, or lost in their own programming. Others question the system, rebel, or leak information. Generational strain, depression, suicide, and even corrective accidents are used to follow when a family member veers off script. This generational unpredictability is seen not just as a risk, but as a potential rupture in the bloodline machine. If the errors are the gears and one refuses to turn, the whole engine stutters. In the age of the internet, no vault is safe. Springmeier didn't live to see WikiLeaks, banana papers, or Epstein flight logs. But these are the kinds of... Did you say banana papers? I did. Oh, Panama papers. Jesus. I did say banana papers. I read banana for some reason. Maybe because I'm hungry. Wait, can I stop you for a second? The Google machine. I tried to Google corrective accidents. Yeah. And it just gave me the response for corrective action. It didn't say, you know how it gives you a suggested, did you mean this? No, it straight up did not let me. That's interesting. Hmm. I wonder if you. Corrective accidents. I wonder if you put that in chat GPT what it says. Okay, keep going. We'll see. All right. So yeah, Panama Papers or Epstein Flight Logs. But these are the kinds of info dumps that may have confirmed his worst fears for the elites. The idea is simple. Expose enough patterns and the illusion of benevolent power collapses. Whether through whistleblower sites, rogue investigators, or even AI-driven data pattern recognition. The family's reliance on invisibility is becoming harder to maintain. Ironically, the very symbols that have cemented their presence for centuries, the pyramid, the all-seeing eye, the checkerboard floors, are now common knowledge. In logos, one currency, in government buildings, and now people see them. As Springmeyer would put it, the spell is weakening. what once hit in plain sight now glows under digital uv light and the people are beginning to ask questions so i think i don't remember if it was part one or part two do you think like the now common knowledge of the symbols and stuff like that were purposely leaked to throw us off the smell? I don't know if I would say purposefully leaked or leaked, excuse me. I guess I'm kind of thinking it's things evolve, right? Corporations, they update their logos and yada, yada. But same thing like touchscreen technology, for example, has been out. Like I remember my mom had a car in the 80s that had a touchscreen in the car. Yeah, it's been around since the 50s with the It's been around forever. Yeah. But it didn't really become mainstream and popular until the 90s, if not 2000s, like late 90s, early 2000s, when the Apple products started coming out. So, like, I guess that's kind of where I'm going with this, is that the logos and stuff that we're seeing now is just old tech. It's old information. It's outdated. So who cares if it's released? Because there's new symbols that we haven't found yet or identified or connected to yet. Yeah. I do want to do an episode on like secret tech that the government has. I don't have a song for that. Thank God. Wow. You can come up with a secret tech song. Secret agent. Oh, there you go. Oh, my God. That didn't sound honky-tonk. That was okay. No, that was fine. That was not honky-tonkish. But also, she wasn't doing the sound. She was actually singing. Oh, that's true. Yeah, I was. Yeah, so she wasn't going, on the tune of Secret Agent Man. Secret Agent Man. You know, did anybody else think that at one time they were saying Secret Asian Man? Nope. I did. No, but I can understand your weird ears with your banana papers. Yes, I do have weird ears. All right, so they call them survivors, not victims, not witnesses. Survivors. Born into bloodlines or abducted. I'm a survivor. Or abducted. I'm not going to get one. Or abducted into. I will survive. I'm going to work harder. Okay, go. Or abducted into hidden programs. Too much coffee today. I apologize. No, that's fine. I drink half a pot. Their stories crackle with pain with programming and sometimes with liberation. In Springmeyer's Illuminati formula to create an undetectable mind-control slave, these individuals are the proof of concept, the byproduct of generational trauma, monarch programming, and black budget experiments. They're also the system's greatest liability According to Springmeyer and co Cisco Wheeler monarch programming is a mind technique derived from MKUltra specifically created to fracture the mind through trauma then install controllable obedient alter personalities Victims, often children, are said to endure horrific abuse, electroshock, sensory deprivation, and ritual trauma to create dissociative identity disorder, which is then harnessed through hypnotic suggestion, trigger codes, and ritual reinforcement. These slaves are allegedly used as couriers, sex puppets, spies, entertainers, and even assassins, embedded in society, but hidden from themselves. Some were born into Illuminati families. Others were allegedly selected, abducted, or sold. So let me, I have a question, and I don't think we really answered it when I asked it last time, or I could be wrong. But do you really think that, we've heard the term like demonic a couple times. Do you guys really think that they're worshiping, A, something demonic, and B, these rituals are really have power in doing something to the world overall, or are they just theater? I don't know. Well, I'm just asking for your opinion. Like, you know, they control the world, right? And they do all these quote-unquote rituals and have these symbols that are supposed to mean something more than just the physical. So are they really invoking something? Or is it truly just a ritual for themselves that they just come up with? Or are they worshiping something unseen? I think it's easy in terms of saying secret society, shadow governments, puppet masters to ascribe actual intentional dark ritual to their methodology. And I think that's almost a way of rationalizing in our minds why people, if they do exist, if they are doing this, then why are they doing it so selfishly? Like that's a way to compartmentalize it and say, well, that's because they're tied up with dark, bad things. You know, if they're not tied up with dark, bad things, then why are we doing this? Why is there so much suffering if they are, in fact, inflicting their will on the world? okay and if they don't exist at all it's just a scapegoat for the rest of us like we mentioned in one of our previous episodes on this is you know somebody else is responsible for what's going on in the world and it's not me you know okay does that answer satisfactory kind of I'll sit on it I'll chew on it just don't fart on it sit and Sit and chew. Bree, a thought? Nope. Nope? Okay. So now we're going to get into some of the people we mentioned earlier. The first one is Kathy O'Brien, who's a whistleblower. Kathy O'Brien is one of the most vocal Monarch survivors. In her books, Transformation of America and Access Denied, she claims to have been programmed from childhood under Project Monarch and used as a sex slave and courier for political elites. Her claims include ritual abuse at Bohemian Grove, encounters with U.S. presidents and politicians, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton, missions involving drug trafficking and blackmail, and escape with the help of ex-CI insider Mark Phillips. What happened to her? O'Brien spent decades recounting her trauma publicly, largely ignored or ridiculed by mainstream media, but regarded as a key witness in underground survivor communities. Whether one believes her or not, she popularized the monarch narrative, and her stories closely match what Springmeier later published. O'Brien was given several interviews discussing her claims about MKUltra, programming, and her life story. We'll share the links on our site for you to check out for more information and to hear her story in her own words. So you know what's funny is that when it comes to this woo-woo stuff, right? I'll just call it woo-woo because that's what everyone outside of the know calls it. And someone comes out and says, I was a victim. I've been through all this trauma. everybody including media ridicule them like yeah you know and like in other situations when someone says they've been traumatized abused what have you they're champion for coming forward i just find that very odd that you know so you're saying someone who was in an abusive relationship and they come forward and they say, I've been victimized. Yes. Those people are championed. Yes. Because that's quote-unquote tangible. Yes. Because they have something that's more easier to believe rather as what she was saying. It's harder for people to believe that. Like my control techniques and all that. Or cults. It's just harder to get around. It's kind of like being abducted by aliens. People who claim that they're abducted by aliens are seeing it. No one is going to believe that. Well, not in the past. Now they will. Yeah. But that's like, it's just in general, like when you hear that back then, people are just like, eh. Sure. Like you guys are crazy. So they're probably doing the same thing with her is. Sure. And I agree. Were you on like drugs or something? Yeah. And I agree that that's what's happened and is happening. But my point being is why not look into that? Obviously, this woman went through something. All right. Whether it was in her mind or in reality. We don't know because no one has bothered looking into it. You know, what if she is telling the truth? And even if she's not, and this is something that was made up by her mind, she's still a person that needs help. Mental health is a real thing. Yeah, and it really just doesn't get interaction until other people are brave enough to come forward. I mean, the Me Too movement, right? Right. You had so many people who said these things happened to me and everyone's like, no, big, powerful other people, they would never do something like that. we love these people. They're celebrities. They're celebrated. And then all of a sudden, hundreds, thousands of people came forward. Yes. And that's the problem, that people who see something bad or hear something bad are just stay quiet and stay complicit. Well, when you stay quiet and you don't act on something you think is wrong, you're doing something wrong as well. You're part of the issue. You're part of the problem. Just like at the basketball game. For our listeners, Frank was fighting people at basketball games. I was not fighting people at basketball games. He was fighting with other parents at a fourth grader's basketball game. I was not fighting. No physical fight. Fighting. I wasn't even verbally fighting. You were standing up for what was right. Yeah. In your opinion. Because the parent was being obnoxious, and he was yelling at teenagers doing the scoreboard over two points. and I told him to calm down. You never tell an angry person to calm down. Oh, I know. I know. But that's like my favorite. You're Italian. You know this. Oh, I know. I do know this. But since I am Italian, I also know how to combat it. Yeah. So, but yeah, there was no altercations. I didn't even swear. I didn't even call names. I stuck to the issue at hand. So anyway, but no, it just, you know, like I don't understand. I can understand people are being afraid of like getting involved, but like if that's you or that's someone you cared about, you would want somebody to step in, you know? I just hate people who are just complicit. Like it drives me crazy. Sorry. Soapbox time. All right. So next one. I was going to say, I don't even remember. We wrote this episode so long ago, but in the time this episode was written, I was just looking up Kathy O'Brien now, and she actually has another book that she released just a couple days ago, a couple weeks ago. Oh, wow. So she's got a couple books out on Amazon and on her site about what she's gone through. All right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's some good reading material. So next person is Arizona Wilder, and she's considered the ritual witness. So Arizona Wilder, formerly Jennifer Green, claimed she was raised within the Illuminati system and trained to conduct satanic rituals, including human sacrifices for elite bloodlines, particularly the British royal family and the Rothschilds. Her claims are witnessing Queen Elizabeth and others shift into reptilian form during rituals, involvement in trauma-based programming and blood sacrifice ceremonies, connections between mind control, ancient Babylonian cults, and extraterrestrial entities. and Wilder appeared in interviews with David Icke, who is a strange person, but that's a different story, in the late 1990s, later reportedly withdrew from public life and may have recanted or expressed regret over the attention. Still, her descriptions mirror Springmeier's formulas and emphasize the ritualistic side of monarch control. So yeah, we got to do reptilians with David Icke. Have you guys heard of David Icke? Nope. Lynette? Yes. Okay. So David Icke is British, right, Lynette? I believe so. Yeah. So he was a soccer player, or as they call it, a football player in England, who then became a sports guy. And then somehow he came across all this reptilian stuff, and he started talking about reptilians. and he sells out conferences, like stadiums for people to go listen to him. Like we're talking about like a hundred, maybe not that many, maybe like 50,000 people go and listen to him. And I'm just like, I need to do that. And his lectures aren't short. They're like five, six hours long. Oh yeah. Like it's detailed. Like he might be equivalent to L. Ron Hubbard. With his storytelling. Like, I don't know about reptilians. That's one of the conspiracy things I'm uncertain on. I'm not going to say it doesn't exist, because anything is fucking possible in this world. But I just really haven't seen a lot of credible evidence yet. So if anybody wants to... Maybe you need to go to a lecture. You know, I've thought about that for like the past... I don't know, he's got to be old now. Because he's been doing this for like 40 plus years. I wonder how old he is. I wonder how much it is to go to a conference. That's something to look up. He was born in 52, so he's 73 years old. Okay. Younger than I thought. He's as old as my parents would be. Yeah. You just have to go to the UK probably. You know, I wonder, he used to have stuff in the US as well. I mean, I don't know how much traveling he does now because he is in his 70s, but yeah, let's look into that. David Icke tours 2026. Oh. He's doing a tour in the UK right now. Yeah. Bummer, there aren't any events. Yeah. He did one in Arizona in 2023. Oh, probably in Sedona. Sedona, yeah. When's his next conference in the UK? I'll have to look it up. March 8th in Colchester. And does it say how much it is to attend? Buy tickets. I didn't actually click on it. Hey, he's doing a five-day Hawaii conference retreat from April 20th to 24th. Yeah, that's going to be a million dollars. Wow. All right. Yeah. Otherwise, yeah, I don't see anything. No. Everything's over the little pond over there. Yeah. All right. Join the wait list. It looks like, oh, you can buy tickets for the Derby location in July. How much is that? Yeah. I'm just curious. oh you need a code to be able to buy tickets you need a bs you gotta know a guy yeah you gotta know a guy who knows a guy who is a side chick of the reptilian oh here the colchester event 35 pounds oh jesus that's nothing no that's 35 pounds for 4 hours that's like 35 dollars no that's like 5 50 cents I'm thinking euros yeah no a pound is like is like 50 cents to us you know like a million pounds is like 10 dollars right no what are you talking about yes are you insane i was like are you talking like pesos no i'm just i'm just i'm just playing 30 pounds is 40 bucks I'm just playing the bit that. You're supposed to be the math guy. I know, but I'm playing the bit that the U.S. dollar is always so much stronger than anything else. Oh, yeah. That's all I'm doing. All right. So our next person is John. Bit bites. Is what? Your bit bites. My bit bites? Wow. I thought it was funny. So John Todd, who's also known as the defector. John Todd, also known as Lance Collins, was a self-proclaimed former Illuminati occultist who turned Christian and began exposing alleged witchcraft, Satanism, and infiltration in the entertainment industry and churches. What he claims is the music industry spells tied to bloodline control, which is placed within government and media, and the Rothschilds funding a Luciferian globalist plot. He was imprisoned in the late 1980s on charges his supporters claim were fabricated. He died in 2007, possibly in psychiatric care. His tapes and sermons still circulate underground, and Springmeyer often referenced Todd as an early insider-turned-threat. Todd, too, was given testimony without statements. We will share his links for his site so you can check out the information and to hear his story in his own words. So, some of the shared themes across survivors. So despite the wild variations in detail, these stories often share eerie similarities. Multiple personalities created through trauma. Trigger phrases, symbols, or codes used to control behavior. Sexual abuse, rituals, and satanic elements. Connections to elite families, politicians, and entertainment figures. A final awakening, the moment where the programming fractures and the person remembers. Springmeier positioned survivor stories not as anomalies, but as keys to the whole system. If even one is telling the truth, then the entire structure, trauma-based control, ritual initiation, generational enslavement becomes possible. the families fear these voices not because they're loud because they know where the cracks are so what are some of your guys's final thoughts i don't have any okay question mark question i have a question do you believe it's real yeah i don't know if it's fully real but i can see some truth behind some of it if that makes sense like every like every lie there's some truth to it that's every story every myth every whatever has some truth to it right i feel like this is the same thing there is some truth to it i don't know my thing is how much of it is true i don't exactly know what is true i can see things maybe like certain family lines doing certain things especially when they have the power the money whatever like that makes sense i just well i'm going to ask you i just don't think it's fully true overall i going to get asked you to get off the fence on on a couple things if you had to take events that we went over that are true right like you just the ones that lean more true than not what would those be i don know well i mean you you passed you can't be 50 50 on every little thing so i'm just saying which one no you can't that's just ridiculous that means you honestly haven't been no that honestly means that you're literally not thinking at all. And I don't believe that. So I do think that there are a few things that you probably lean more yes than no. Well, it's more in my mind. It's like when I think of something, I'm like, okay, that makes sense. But then this happens. It's me just overthinking it. And that's why I become 50-50 because I overthink. Right. But it still has to lean one way or the other. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that you're not still 50-50 if you decide this is true. I'm just saying that there has to be a couple things that lean more one way than not. That's all. And which ones are those? I mean, I can kind of see the conspiracy behind, like, the Princess Diana type thing. Okay. I can see that being, because knowing, like, so many documentaries, seeing so many documentaries about it, I can see this having to do with it in some way, shape, or form. Okay. That is, like, one thing. Like, I can see some truth behind that. That specific type of event, I guess. Okay. Do you think that there are a couple families that truly do worship Lucifer and believe in Satanism and follow that? Like, not everyone, but there's just— Yeah. Yeah? Okay. Do you think that the rituals they perform, like human sacrifice, is real? No. Okay. Do you think that some of these defactors and whistleblowers, which there's more than those three, have been mind-controlled and brainwashed at a certain time? Not all the whistleblowers. No, but some. Yes? Possibly, yeah. I mean, there's different forms of mind-control, but yeah, I think it's possible, yeah. Yeah, agreed. And I'm just being general with the word or phrase mind-control. Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying, like, I don't believe... all the types of mind control. But like, for example, oh, was it her name? Kathy? Mm-hmm. Orion? I can see that. Okay. What she's saying. I can see what she's saying. Okay. So see, there are things that you believe more yes than no. Not saying that you're still not split. By saying yes doesn't mean that you're sold 100%. But also, just because I said that, I see that there's some truth behind doesn't mean I'm 50-50. I just couldn't. think of things right off the top of my head. I can't think fast like you do. Okay. Do you need a new wheel for your hamster? She likes to formulate a complete thought before stuff comes out of her mouth. Thank you. That's why I quiet a lot of the times because I can't think right away. Do you need a new wheel for the hamster? Just some WD-40. Yeah. I need a lot of it. Okay. All right. Well, see, good. I'm happy that we... That's why I always do terrible and standardized tests when it's like, here's an essay question i need 30 minutes think of a response i don't need five minutes no no 30 minutes you get you get two and a half i hate when they're like two minutes fill this up no i need more than that yeah yeah you know it's funny you know it's funny two minutes that's that's all brian needs for you i'm just saying you know he doesn't need much more time i think him getting an erection takes longer than his performance and let me guess you're one minute can you oh if that if that minute to win it a hundred percent see i i invented that game all right sorry miss lynette what are uh what are your final thoughts do i have thoughts you do You do. If anybody does on this show, it's you. She's trying to figure out, do I want to share these certain thoughts? Of course she does. There's a whole point. I'm going to take a page out of Frank's book as an alternative theory. Oh, love it. What if the whole concept of the Illuminati is a tulpa? Oh, Frank's favorite thing, tulpas. Go on. He got his attention. I'm listening. Well, like we mentioned and alluded to before, like as society, we have the superhero complex, which means we also have the villain complex. There's somebody out here trying to the pinkies in the brains of the world, that sort of thing. And if enough people believe that there is a puppet master, what if we're actually just creating it? And that's why we see it in our media. That's why we see it in our politics. We think that there is a superhero and that there is a villain out there and they're just going to battle each other. But really, we are the ones creating it and therefore we are the ones to stop it. And I think a better term than we see it in the media, we see it in politics, is that we manifest it in media and politics. But I definitely see that as a possibility, 100%. so i've been unsure about this topic for a long time and doing these this three parts i'm still unsure about this topic so like i you know i do think these things exist i do think that there is groups that control the world. I do think that there are secret societies that worship and manifest evil things that maybe even go as far as doing human sacrifices. I see these all as, yes, possibilities. It could happen. I'm just not sure how much truth is behind it and how much is just a scare tactic to keep us blind, immobile, and worrying about something that doesn't exist. You know, like, I really think that the powers that be have influence and tricked us for so long that it's so hard for us to see the truth. So there's this story about, what was the guy's name? I can't remember the guy's name, but the agent, his name was Richard Doty. Okay. So this guy living near the base where Richard Doty was, and he was like some sort of agent. Anyway, this guy, he was really intrigued with UFOs and stuff. So he went to this base to ask, you know, hey, what are these flying things? And it was a very innocent question. and Richard Doty got assigned to him. And basically they would like send microwave signals into his home. They would, they would mess with his radio and Richard Doty would just gaslight him. Like, yeah, that's, that's, that's UFO stuff. You're, you're in contact with, with these UFOs. Gaslight him to the point where he, this gentleman, I can't remember his goddamn name, went insane and was committed to a psychiatric unit for the rest of his life. You know? So, like, I see that being more the truth in our reality than anything else. Does that make sense? Am I making sense? I see where you're going with that. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-mm. So, I think we're just spoon-fed these things to just better control us. Because the more lies we're spoon-fed that can seem possible, the more busy we are looking into these than looking at what's really happening. Yeah. You know, I mean, I mean, how I couldn't tell you the moment that our, our Congress only listens to corporations now. They don't care about their constituents and what they think and say, you know. They only do when it's election time. Correct. You know, because if that's the case, you know, there's a lot of things that the majority want and they don't care. They don't do anything. So, and again, not picking a side when it comes to that, both sides are equally fucking assholes. But, you know, like I can't pinpoint. It just happens so slowly that, oh, we've all of a sudden become an oligarchy. you know just the country is controlled just by a handful of corporations whether or not you want to see that the illusion that we're given of choice is not is an illusion it's not real exactly god the men in black are going to show up in my house aren't they yeah maybe all right well like i was i was just kind of looking up some some quotes yeah and stuff just to wish i had thought of this sooner but three key figures that we all know who have been corrective accidents. We'll go with that. So Abraham Lincoln made his famous quote of a house divided against itself cannot stand, right? So it sounds like that's an enlightenment and awakening type of statement to the masses. Pay attention to what's going on because if you're divided amongst yourselves, you're not going to be able to take on the establishment and make change. Then you have JFK who also says, the greater our knowledge increases, the more our ignorance unfolds. Again, an enlightenment statement to say, wake up, learn some things, and realize how blind to the world you've really been. And then you also have MLK who is saying, there's nothing in the world that's more dangerous than the sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Wow, that's a lot of syllables. But again, it's just saying we are intentionally choosing to turn our eyes to the world around us. And those are three powerful individuals who are calling society to enlightenment and to wake up and they've been correctively accidentally dismissed. I'm going to add one more to that. Those are all true, but I have one more. By President Dwight Eisenhower. In his parting speech. It's like your favorite. No, it's not. JFK is my favorite. No, you mentioned the speech. Oh, yeah. You really like it. Yeah, I do. I do. Because he says it. He says it. He goes, beware of the military industrial complex. Like he says that in his speech. and we wake up fool right and and then jfk jfk was president when he left and then jfk kind of picked up that torch and just went crazy with it you know saying he was going to break up the cia and into a thousand pieces and throw it to the wind like yeah that's not right There's also rumors that he was in talk with, who was in charge of Russia at that time? Was it Chekhov? I can't remember. I don't remember. Rumors that he was in talks with them that they were going to resolve the Cold War and then start sharing UFO information. The military complex goes, fuck that, and erases him. Because without the Cold War, there's no money coming in. You know, all that money that's created during the scare tactics of the Cold War was a shit ton. And you want to release UFO information? Absolutely not. We're reverse engineering all that shit. Exactamundo. Yeah. So, yeah, that is one of my favorites just because it was laid out for us and we completely ignored it. and now we are where we are. For better or for worse, this is where we are. Yeah. Thou shall not part for better or for worse until death do us part. So who wants to go to Mars and look for gold? I do not. I'm going to stay here. I'm going to stay here and I will blow up with the... Going down with the ship like Mr. Titanic. Yeah. Mr. Smith. Exactly. yeah if there's ever a nuclear war i want the first missile to hit me in the forehead just take me out right away just this is your target right here i i don't want i don't want to you know survive it don't want to even see it don't know the white house no right here no no i want my last thoughts want to be oh what's that big flash that's it and gone it gets a firework Nope. Nope. It's not the 4th of July. Yeah. So. All right. Well, we've spent three episodes peering into the shadows, past the glimmering facades of wealth, royalty, and corporate power, into a world where 13 bloodlines allegedly chart the destiny of humanity. If even a fraction of Springmeier's claims are true, then history is not just written by the victors, but engineered by invisible architects. Their influence may be generational, their symbols hidden in plain sight, and their secrets encrypted in blood, oath, and silence. We've explored the 13 thrones, each with a role in a global order, some blessed, others cursed, all bound to a legacy they can't escape. We examined the five families that rule the rest and how rivalries between them, like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, may be tearing the cabal apart from within. We dove into occult rituals and mind control, subliminal programming, and succession protocols designed to ensure only the most compliant heirs rise to power. We've dissected their fears, their weaknesses, and perhaps more chillingly, the survivors. Those who claimed they were born into it, programmed by it, escaped from it. And through it all, we've left with one unsettling question. What if this isn't just conspiracy? What if it is a blueprint? We'll be sharing the CIA-hosted PDFs of Spring-Myers books, bloodlines of the Illuminati, the Illuminati formula used to create an undetectable mind control slave and other documents discovered in Bin Laden's Abadabad compound over at our website. We're not saying they're fact, but we are saying someone considered them important enough to keep, and you decide why. If you've made it this far, maybe the world already looks a little different to you. The logos you once ignored, the deaths you thought were random, the leaders you trusted, the whispers between headlines. You see them now, don't you? The veils are thin. Until next time, stay curious, stay cautious, and keep questioning the limits. 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