Transform Your Closet: Expert Interior Design Tips

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We just want to pay all of this forward. But in the beginning we want to start kind of light because we don't want to exclude any of us that maybe aren't going to undergo a closet transformation but want to still make it great. Yep. Yeah. So I think a real hallmark of ALID has been closets. I like to think so. Right. Yeah. So we're really early on working with some influencers which were really known for closets and this is when we started seeing the closet become the size of primary bedrooms and real true hardworking dressing rooms if you will. And we've just been able to give them personalities and really a ton of functions and it's become the dream of so many to get to do this. The fun thing is when we talk to real estate experts and things, people look at the closet. People are looking at the primary closet when they're like considering homes. If it has everything, it's the kitchen, it's the primary bath and it's the closet making sure is this something that they're going to have to undergo or did the previous owner grab that guest bedroom adjacent to my bedroom and create a really great closet situation. So anyway, we know it's important and everybody has them. So regardless of how small or big your closet is, I think this is going to be really, really fun to hopefully help you just enjoy the beauty that can become your closet. I think a lot of times we're like, okay, this is just a space, you know, and it's just, it feels like a tour because that's where you're folding your laundry and that's where you're putting it away. But if it's decorated in such a way that it feels like you and feels like something you would wear, then it becomes really exciting to be in. So that's what we get to dive into today. Yeah. And what a fun way to start your day in a beautiful ritual, right? Of a beautiful dressing room or closet or even your tiny one. If there's a beautiful ritual to an ending your day that way too, I just feel like you feel so put together in your brain. I like that you said ritual because I do think that that is part of our rhythms of how we begin and we end our days. And if it is beautiful, even if you play just one of these things, it won't be so much more enjoyable. Yeah. That part of your day and yeah, closets matter. Closets matter. Yes. Cross stitch that. Okay. So let's get into it for the closet. So first steps, these are the small updates that you can make for this. So you had a couple of tips with taking inventory of your own, of your own things. I think so. And I think this is like whether you're going to be doing the big one or just your small one. I think it's fun to just take inventory of what is going in your closet and make sure you love everything that's going to go inside your closet. I think as you, as we talk to people and we're trying to identify their style and this North Star, we ask them, what are your favorite things? And what I qualify those favorite things are is things that, yeah, you could have just bought it, but also things that you've had that have never been cut when you've gone through. Okay. I can look at my closet and be like, I've had you for a long time, but I love you. So that says something about that piece and something that my eyeballs and my body loves about that piece. And so I think when you look at those things, it will help you make other decisions and be really confident on what you're going to be putting in your closet that you're, you love everything in there. Yeah. Okay. So tonight go through your closet, have one of your girlfriends come over. I think it was, was it? Oh gosh. I love Lauren Goodhang. She had a guest on, gosh, it was the, I love LA girl. And they said that they have these try on parties. She's just like, and whether you're with your, by yourself, if you're not comfortable around other people, it's good to just do it by yourself because you might be embarrassed. But if you do have a close friend or someone that can come over, it's so fun. You're going to get a glass of wine. You're going to put on some great music and you're going to act like it's your runway and you're going to try things on and you all are going to be like abruptly honest with each other and be like, that's got to go toss it. Keep that one. That's such a fun again ritual to again kind of jumpstart who you are and who you want to be, what holds you have in your wardrobe. Gosh, I like smoking hot in that dress. Uh huh. The most beautiful woman in the world. I need more of that style. Yes. It's just such a confidence builder and you'll be more confident in your decision making. I love that. Make room for new things. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which is my favorite. I love getting rid of stuff. Yeah. Because then I'm just like, look at all those gaps. Now I need more. Totally. It's so number-leading. The new year that actually the shedding of the snake. Yes. Yep. That that actually is just barely ending. February 17th is like technically when the new, yeah. Less than a month ago, the year the horse started. So we're saying it's okay if you're still shedding a little bit, shut off that old closet. It'll make way for the year of the fire horse. Yeah. Confidence. Confidently walk into that new situation and all your best fits. Your closet will make you so happy if you don't have all of that dead weight in there. Just taking up space and confusing you. And we all have that stuff. I mean, I can think of things right now that I just go past every single day and I never wear it because I don't get stoked about it. So I should really just, yeah, throw that away. I'm not stoked. Yep. Get something else. Like you said. I also think if you have somebody to give it to, like I have a sister-in-law. I give a lot of things to, or my daughters and they love it. Then I don't feel so bad about getting rid of it. Or I donate it to the DI here in Utah. Yeah. So I think about giving it to somebody in real life that's so stoked for your bags. Yeah. It makes it a little bit easier to shed that skin. Yeah. I'm always going to try on stuff for him and I keep this shirt. He's just like, yeah, it's a fine shirt. It's whatever, but it's not your last shirt. You're going to get a new shirt that you're going to like better. They're out of it. Breed me. That's permission. That's for you. Yeah. Be honest with you. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's not. Okay. Good. I like inventory. Okay. I like things, but the other good thing about getting your inventory is you understand how many shoes you have, how many dresses you have, things that are long hang, things that are short hang, things that should be folded that maybe weren't folded before. When you do plan on going to, you know, into construction mode, you can start to anticipate I love a dress. I'm going to need a lot of long hang. And so then you can start to reallocate that. We'll get into that a little bit more later. But anyway, but it is good to just start taking inventory and it's kind of fun to count your shoes. I think so too. And you can also sort of reimagine, I mean, when we're getting ready to work with clients on a brand new closet, we do have the measure their long hang. That's the long dresses. They need to take up both the top space and the bottom space of that vertical line. So you measure the width of it? Yeah. Yeah. Because most people need short hang, a lot of short hang. Unless you're wearing a lot of gowns in Texas, there's a lot of long hang because they go to, it's high society and they have a lot of places to wear long gowns too, but most people are going to have short hang in their closets. So you would say, give me the linear feet of your long hang. We're going to, we're going to solve for that in the closet. It's really pretty to have a long line as well. And those are usually really beautiful things to look at. So that could be a really pretty vantage point. Do you leave room for expansion? You know what, nice. Well, tell us, I have this, but I want to 2x this or I want to 5x this. I understand your goals again. When you invent for, you're going to start to understand them. And a lot of them are like, I'm a Dior gal. I have so many of this one thing and that will continue to be the case. So, you know, 2, 3x that is that's what I'm going to need. Speaking of expansion of the closet, there's also, which we've already said we don't love, but there's that third layer up top. So if you have a really tall ceiling, we're doing this in a new build right now, where you will have the rod that you can pull down and get that short hang, one more layer of it. And that's usually going to be like your seasonal items. Maybe it's your swimsuits or your ski coats or something like that. We want that third tier, but you don't need to access it on the daily. I have that. And it's like stuff. Yeah. Like maybe like small luggage and things that we have and hats that I never wear. I don't have the pull down thing, but so this is maybe a good spot to bring this up in like the small updates. Yeah. But I have no debt that I use. I don't debt still. It's one of our products. Go check it out. AustinHome.com. But I have it and I use it all the time just to get up in that area. Because I took the cabinetry all the way to the ceiling, which you should. What's your ceiling height? Nine feet. Yeah. So. And you're not nine feet tall. I am not. Yeah. You can get up there if you have the Odette stool. Exactly. It's stable and it's not scary. And you know what else is great about the Odette is you can sit on it and pull your boots on. I do it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. And you can hide your slippers under it. I do that too. I don't do that. I love the Odette. I will say one thing about that third, that third level, like the third party best right is that I, if they don't have to have it, I don't love it. Okay. Because I'd rather have an Odette have the third level because you always have a third level that shelves. You can. Yeah. Yeah. First option, third level that shelves, something like display, rad bags, or, you know, just things that are actually pretty. The, again, you don't need to access all the time, but it just looks lovely. And it's a little crown for all your clothes. When people do need that third level, the thing that they don't consider is that you can't use the dead corners. So in every closet, you usually have a few corners that become dead corners if you have a pull down bar. And when I say dead corners, we'd usually like take all your corners. Yes. Those inside corners where you can have neighboring cabinets meet up with each other, I could have a shoe shelf and then I could still access that short hang or long hang on that dead corner that's perpendicular to the shoe shelf. But the dead corner becomes obsolete if you're using those systems up high. So anyway, just a little. Yeah. It's practical. Okay. Every square inch counts in the closet. It really does. I mean, for most of us listening to this podcast and talking on it, we need every square inch, right? Yeah. That's great. Yep. Okay. Okay. So you've taken inventory. We know your long hang, your short hang. Some of you can't do anything to change your situation. Some of you might be able to make updates and I even think reorganizing the closet. Maybe in your cubbies, you're going to stack your denim or you're going to be like, you know what, I've heard that I should not be hanging sweaters. Knits should be folded. I learned this from Tan France when we did his closet. He's like, knits should be folded. I'm like, ooh, mine are all hanging on probably wire hangers where they're really going to get unraveled. So maybe you're going to use those cubbies instead of, I don't know what's in them right now, bags or shoes. Maybe you're going to stack all your sweaters, all your denim, and then you're going to gain that space for short hang or long hang and really make sense of that. And while we're talking hanging, we've had closet experts come on before. Their favorite hanger is the thin velvet hanger. Amen. I like the black one. Have you guys used anything different? I used kind of like a warm gray. Okay. Yeah. So I have big, beautiful coat hangers and I was putting a dress on one and it was, my dress was slipping off of it because it was a silkier fabric, but those velvet ones just keep everything gripped on. And then as you're pulling things in and out, they stay the way they are. They don't take up any space. And while you're hanging things up, if you will hang them light to dark and have everything facing the same direction, have the chest face the left, all your t-shirts or the right, whatever you decide. And then same thing with your dresses, go light to dark, make sure the patterns are all in with that. And then you're going to have the chest face the left on all of it. Something about having all the directions. They say it's tits to the left. Tits to the left. Yeah. My mom was listening. So I said the chest. Yeah, it's okay. My mom doesn't listen to this. I'll say it. It's worth catching you to say that. But yeah, if you'll, if you'll just orient everything in the same direction and light to dark, it suddenly feels like a boutique in there. These are like a light Prada. You are Prada now. Yeah. And then getting those cubbies, reimagining the way that you're currently organized. And even when you stack those sweaters, starting with the dark ones and then heading up to the light ones, it just feels so chic and beautiful. Those are little tiny updates that you can make right now. I love that. Small closet, big closet is mirrors. I think mirrors are such a great way to data closet and whatever else that you're in. It's a mandatory. You have to. Are you just, you're guessing going out? You know, you guys, I just stayed at three hotel, three different cities in three weeks, not one of those spaces had a four mirror. Oh man, you got to stand on the bathtub. I know it's all dangerous. Anyway, buying up a single floor mirror. So in your own space, whether you have beautiful floor mirror in your room, like a jacier closet, or if it's in your closet, high five to you, some of us don't have a lot of space in my little house is I rethink how, and right now, again, we haven't even touched my closet yet. I'm on the slow dance of house building, right? But when I think about it, what I'm going to do is I'm going to make my doors mirror, do them really, really cool so I can free up my wall space or art. But I think even in the closets where we have a full room, it's really, really great those, if you have like an actual room for your closet to actually have some of those sliding doors to cover up maybe the not cute long hang and have those be faced with mirror. I think that's a really, really, really smart thing to do. Yeah. And we actually have some pictures on here. We have a picture of our Manchester house. And again, I love the scale of this closet. I think it's so great. And we didn't play this trick of having this door and it's here on the left. We're going to put some additional images up here just so you can see the one door that was on a slide that you could move access what's behind there. So again, it's not swinging out. It's not occupying real estate that way, but there is that reflection and it's bouncing light around and you can always see what you're wearing. Like yourself before you wreck yourself. What's the correct terminology when the door is on a, is it a glide? A track. A track. Yeah. So the door usually will use something like that in a pocket door, but you can do this in a closet on cabinetry. Yep. By doing a track. Same thing. Yeah. And the track can either it will slide behind the doors will slide behind each other to make one door or they can come out and make multiple doors. Yes. Yeah. If they're on a track. So we love this to get a full length mirror in the closet, but it's also functioning as a door and it's hiding the long hang or short hang behind it. Absolutely. Yeah. And on there's, we just did one, we didn't have two that were interlocking. We just had one that could act as a floor mirror. It worked out so beautifully. And, but I think even like this one is a door. So you can do that. Your actual doors open up into a closet. If it's some small one, I think that that's a great upgrade. If you have a shoe shelf, I love it when I see like antique mirror or mirror happening behind there. That's cool. To any time that we can add mirror, it just makes the experience so much more glamorous and just sparkly and it feels fresh and it feels clean. I agree. One, one little easy tip for those of you guys at home that have maybe a walk-in closet, like I do, I share one with my husband and on the back of our closet door, we have, we covered that whole thing in here. So that might be something that you can do too. What's nice about it is for me, my bedroom has my bathroom in between my closet and my bedroom. I do have a floor mirror all the way in my bedroom, but if I want to figure out my shoes, I'm closing that closet door and I'm just looking at it while I'm getting ready. So it's nice of a floor mirror right there in the closet. And if you don't already have a mirror on the back of your door, that's an easy update we can make right now. We did 10 Francis in his last home. We took his attic and turned it into his closet. He had been collecting clothes and needed more space. I think he was occupying his own plus the guest bedrooms and just needed more space. And so this attic, it's all pitches, the ceiling. I think the wall heights were only two feet off the ground or maybe maybe four feet on the other side, but most of it is just ceiling pitches. And so there's not much room to hang clothing. So we had to get really creative here for a floor mirror. There's nowhere to put a floor mirror. So we got creative here on the ascent up to the closet. We took the stair landing all the way up to the first pitch and totally covered it in mirrors with brass linings to get this really beautiful effect. If you're looking at it, and then we were able to create closet system coming off the wall, gave us a little bit more height in there, but it gave us lots of room for shoe shelves. And then it gave us room for one long, two really long runs of short hang for all of his leather jackets and denim and suits. And it was so handsome. So a really fun way to use space. If you're needing more closet space and you have a tricky attic, this is a fun one to look at and to see how to really lean into it. He also has a really great valet area underneath the window. Who wouldn't want this to just the clones and just all of the extra column cuff links and all of the extra things that men have to get dressed. They had a window seat on the other end, which is so beautiful. This is a great lesson in what's perceived as unoccupiable space. Yeah. How it can be utilized. Yes. We did such a good job. And the mirror just made that space feel like 10 times its size. Yes. So, and again, just as glamorous as he is. One other tip in this is a wallpapered space because we wallpapered all of the ceilings and the walls alike. It made the ceiling pitches feel like walls. It also gave it this sort of circus tent effect because you get all these diagonal stripes, which felt like men's fashion. This, and it also felt so British. And I just felt like it was so on the nose for tan, his favorite color is green. It just made it feel like an experience going up there. It didn't feel like an old attic space, but rather a fashion pocket square outfit moment for just for tan. Yeah. It was my favorite space in his house. Me too. Yeah. And so I'm just like, and it's not fun that I had a little hidden gem. Those that are invited to come up, get to see this. Yeah. Anyway, it's fantastic. You know, you go up there more than just to plan an outfit. Gosh. You'd be like, I'm going to sit on that little hot man. Doom scroll up there. Yeah. Sure. I want to be in that space. Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. And again, it reflects what you do on the mirror trick. It reflects whatever's in front of it. So if you have a great chandelier, like make sure that whatever it is reflecting is beautiful. Yes. So good point. But yeah, mirror is, I think one of the best tips that anybody can employ in their closet, no matter where you are on your closet journey. Yeah. Yes. I just got a new comforter from cozy earth. And it was my favorite new thing. 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And it's been fun to kind of remand like, what could the hardware be? Cause they have their certain set of hardware that you can do, which we have done in some not as important, but you can upgrade those and do great polls. And I think that that makes it feel so much more elevated. And even in like her little girls closet, we had some extra slab remnant and we're like, we should just use that on this one little part. And just make it feel more lovely than it was. So anyway, there's always ways. And we've done a couple of homes where we've done the closet system, even in a primary closet, and you just have to learn how to dress it up. That's with hardware, with lighting, with mirror and with carpet. Little side note on this lab thing, most manufacturers or at countertop installers, you five, you four and a half, they're charging you for five. So if you're building, find a spot, use that extra half. I think that's a great. Yeah. And we asked you, it was like, well, how much is that going to cost? We asked the other, he's just like $600 for $600. Your daughter can have a gorgeous slab, not just her bathroom. Yeah, you're going to do it. That's right. Like that's amazing. So anyway, such a hot tip. I think in addition to hardware, beautiful light fixtures, we are doing a lot of tech lighting. And so that's the glowy light that you see when you're in a, you know, in Tom Ford, when you're in the, or when you see kind of hidden channels that are just making everything glow and look like heaven has shown its beams. If you're watching on the screen right now, we have a men's closet that we did in Dallas and this has the tech lighting that's underneath the cabinet shelves that shines down on the shoes. You can't see the light source, but you're like, whoa, this is a department store full of all my favorite things that is my closet. And then same thing underneath the shirts and the ties and the pants. You have that thin light of recessed lighting that's in that channel. And it just looks so good. You don't even want to turn on any overhead lights. You just see all of your clothes. Like glowing. It's so beautiful. One fun thing that we've been doing in some recent projects for most women's closets, they'll have like an island or peninsula that we're kind of dropping one kind of grand lighting moment for really beautiful chandelier or something that feels expressive and a lot of men's closets. We're doing this kind of glowy lighting in both, but in men's closets, they love this. And instead of like one fixture, there's a really fun thing about repetition. So we've been doing, you know, those mono points. It gives a focus. It's not just a can doing just like two, two, two. And you kind of have to really organize rhythm that feels like very masculine, very clean and edited. And I really love that look too. So it looks like you're in a Tom Ford store. So, so don't disregard the decoration in a closet, you know, so. Yeah. And a quick update for any of you to make that are feeling a little tired of your closet. Exactly. Yeah. Start with new hardware this month, you know, and then move to new lighting. Okay. And if you are so lucky to have an island when you are doing your closet, let's talk about islands. Like I found, like, if you have the room to have an island or a peninsula, your closet, it feels so much more, I don't know. There's just like something so lovely about having a surface. The island is usually where you have small drawers that have your accessories. Um, we do a lot in most islands. Usually employs like some type of hamper system storage in the closet. So we're designing, but also George, you can just make it look like a handsome bachelor chest in the center, which I think is really, really fantastic. This is where you hide all of your underwear, your socks, your hosiery, your pajamas, all of those things that of course won't be hung. I think it's great that, that you have a set of multiple sets of drawers for all of these things. It's, it's to be honest, it's a room full of storage. And so some things you want hidden, other things are okay to be out. And this is all of the delicates and the hidden things. Yeah. Yeah. And the fun thing about the island is awesome because you get to go all the way around it. Lately I have been doing more peninsulas just because it gives me more room. I'm around to just like maybe have a chair or an ottoman or something. And like, why didn't my pathways a little bit more to have that Odette step stool and things like that. You have a peninsula, which I think is a really good use of space. So for those of you that might not know what we're talking about. So the peninsula is in it, like it's an attached island. So it's attached to one wall. So for my closet, um, my whole side is on the left. There's a peninsula in the middle. So an attached island. And then my husband's stuff is all on the right side. And on top of that peninsula, we ran a mirror from the slab all the way up to the ceiling. So that's a spot where I could put on a necklace or and our, and our dressers drawers are their sideways. So mine faces, my clothes, his faces, his clothes, we share a top. It's a great space to fold laundry to, you know, put jewelry on to, uh, it's just really nice to have to pack. To be, yes. Yeah. If you throw your suitcase up there and pack, it's as good as an island. It's just attached to get more floor space to, to do more things. And I feel like you're always, for normal people, we're more limited in our closet space. I know in some of the large dressing rooms today, they're not as limited, but for most of us, um, square footage is a premium. If someone's like on the fence, if they have enough room for an island, like is, what's the measurement for walkway like around it? Or what do you recommend? Well, the minimum I still think is three feet. And again, that's, oh, okay. And I'm going to say one thing really fast. Well, we're like thinking about looking top down on your closet. Most architects don't only draw their cabinetry about 12 inches. You need to, how's a hanger? Oh yeah. You want, like we always adjust that and we draw it to be 24 inches deep. The hanger is about 18 inches, but you have the back of the cabinetry, the front face, that lighting channel that you're going to do. So we just a lot 20, 24 inches from back to the front face of that closet. Nobody wants a hanger and a third of their clothes hanging out of their cabinetry. In a custom closet. Messy central. No good. So. If you have a four foot island, your room needs to be 14 feet wide because you got two, three, four, three, two. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And we have done long skinnies, but sometimes when I see that, I'm just literally entertaining opponents. Because then we just have like a tiny little sliver and then we have all this pathway and it's just going to wasted space. So it's like more in the way than useful. Exactly. Yeah. It's a really, really small island. Yeah. And to itself where a peninsula could look grander and you do want that generous feel because you've worked on everything else. You've got custom cabinetry, custom lighting, right? Slabs going in there. So yeah, you want to be able to create the illusion of grandness for that. Speaking of grand, we've got an island on the screen right now. This is a little trick we want to pay forward to you. Some of you, if you are going to undergo a closet renovation or working on a new home, and this was a request of our client and she's, she would go on probably two or three flights a week. So traveling was something that she had to do for her job. And she said, I need to be able to have my luggage stow under my island. And I need to be able to have a shortened portion of my island where I can open up my luggage and then have it be the height of the rest of my island. So I could fold, close on the island and then pack right into it. So this was our solution. What's on the screen right now. You can see a little alcove where she stored her carry on luggage. And then you can see that portion of the island that dipped down lower. So she had opened that luggage up to quickly pack. And she had a system, which was amazing. While we're on here, we'll mention at the end of the podcast, she also was one of the first clients that we did that dry cleaning machine for. It's an appliance. Those things are so rad. The LG. Yeah. Because she says as soon as she would get off her flight and get home, she would always fly in a blazer because she was cold. She would take the blazer off anything on the outside and she would put it on the hanger, put it right in the LG machine and let that get dry cleaned. And then she would walk into her closet to dismantle all of her packing. Like she had a system down. So this sounds like your life where you travel a lot and you don't want to put your luggage up on that third shelf. Like you and I both have, but we have the Odette to get it up and down. Then you want it on the main floor. So it's easy access in and out. And this system worked out great. We're usually finding somewhere that is lower because people are just traveling more. A lot of times we're talking to her and she's like, actually, we're going to put luggage storage in my house. We're going to use his space. That's also a key takeaway. So it is easier to grab. So going on a quick trip doesn't feel hard at that point. Okay. Moving on from islands. So let's get into the drawers, the cabinets and the shelving. When we're working with clients, they know generally if they're a closed storage person or if they're an open storage person. I myself own an open storage person. When I go into my closet, I just want to make decisions. I don't want to open up doors. I also don't have the luxury of a lot of space. So maybe if I did have a ton of clothes, maybe I would want those. Some things closed that I wasn't, that we're going to use every day. What are you seeing right now with clients? More now than ever. People have been requesting clothes or glass. They're loving the look of the glass doors. Now it's not on everything. It's on like specific walls where it makes sense. So not everything is going to be behind for shoe shelves. That's always open. Like, I like to put doors on shoe shelves. It's mainly the things where they just like, well, let's stop that's folded. They don't want it to get dusty. Certain types of clothes, they just don't want to deal with the dust. And so with those clients, we are employing the doors more than not. So, and it just, again, it feels tucked away. It feels clean. Again, we just did one here in Orem and it's shared. It's a large space, but it's shared between husband and wife. It's what saves their marriage because they don't have to get mad at each other because they have closed doors to basically hide away any mess that could potentially happen. So anyway, you know, you just ask yourself. What I want to have doors because I think you make a great point. Like when you go into a closet, when you go into your pantry, you're shopping. And so sometimes putting doors, it's just like when we're already are so busy, we're so busy, right? To have to open up doors to then get those things out to not have to close those doors, to then open up the next bay of doors. It's tricky. Also, though, we're talking about a dream space right now. Yeah. And so my practical brain is saying one thing, but that's only because I have the normal closet that's not custom cabinetry even. And so I'm just used to the custom closet or the closet I have and the pantry I have. We don't have to open up all these trap doors to try and find out what I want to make for dinner or to figure out my outfit. But the closet today and the closet we're talking about is a dream space. And the projects we're working on are the dream jobs. And so it's fun to talk about how the other half live and what the dream is. And right now what the dream is for people is I love the idea of an airtight situation on my fancy clothes. So I don't have to dust the shoulders off of my tuxedo. Am I right, Corey? Absolutely. I don't like dusting those shoulders off. I don't know. Yeah. Another thing that you guys have probably seen on Pinterest and when you're in like luxury stores and things when they have glass doors and so you can see everything hanging there. You see all the pretty clothes, but then they'll have like a couple drawers inside the glass, which is really cute. We have been doing that quite a bit. For your long opera gloves. Exactly. Thank you. And my scarves and you know, all those things. So anyway, it's a really fun. And if you have the luxury of having a big space and doing a dream closet, it's a really beautiful trick. Yeah. So anyway, I love that. And they're usually like kind of set back to so you get like interesting dimensions of things that when you open it up, it just feels like treasure chests. And it's really, really fun. That's right. So anyway, there's so many details of when you want things to expose. Again, it just feels magical, like something special back there. So anyway, I love that. And then you can do the solid door or the mirror door. If you just want like that utility and something just to hide, maybe the not cute ski clothes or something that you're constantly using during that season. So, what's your take on the adjustable shoe shelf? Do you feel like in cabinetry that you're making it adjustable? Or are you figuring out the inventory and then making fixed shelves for the way that they live and for their collections? Young Suzanne would have said, I'll do it fixed. And then it always looks beautiful. But I think how with how fast fashion goes, even if you think you know yourself, you're like, I'm going to be a ballet flat forever. There will be a season when you're going to want to wear that top boot. She's she's smoking. I'm wearing wedges now. We're wearing wedges now. Anyway, I think the flexibility of having the adjustable, the adjustable shelves is really, really smart. And that's what we're usually specifying for shoes or even your sweaters and like those things. It's just nice. Yeah. So yeah, I would adjust. Is it mostly like shelf pins or you ever use cleats? Cleats not usually in the closet. It's not like a whole stream of just like, da, da, da, da, da, da. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's my issue. Yeah. Like a metal, metal little like tab or whatever to hold that shelf. So anyway, that's, yeah, if you're going to do them, don't do them every two inches or whatever. I hate looking into cabinets like that. Yeah. Because you're not going to be making that big of adjustments. You like three in a row, five at the max. If you have a really tall system, but three in a row, I think is usually great. That's awesome. So yeah. Let's talk about a place to sit in the closet. Oh snap. I also feel like that's like the ultimate luxury. I want to say in any room, where we're just talking about this in a bathroom. Yeah. If you had a chair in a bath, I think it was when you were doing a house of flora. Yes. All right. Backtrack. Go listen to that. But she has a club chair in her bathroom and I'm like, there's nothing more luxy than that. And I will say in the dream closets, we are making sure that there's room for not only her to sit, but for him to sit, you know, or your partner to be able to like sit and wait for you. We had one client that she just wanted a place to eat cake at the end of the day. And she would hide into her small little closet now, but we were like, we're manifesting this dream of a big closet so that she could have her clothes and she could also go in and eat cake. Yes. So anyway, so I do think like not only to eat your cake, but to have a spot to sit down, put on your shoes to take off your hosiery to get the cowboy boots off. Yeah. All those things. Yeah. Like it is just not safe to stay well at the end of the day. It doesn't really pull hard. Mama nieces it in. She does to fall over trying to get those things off. Yeah. You need a chair. It's dangerous. Yeah. And an occasional chair in a beautiful fabric just looks so great in a closet. I love that it feels unpractical. Like to put like a really pretty chair in a closet, but I love, I love the ridiculousness of it. We do a lot of the actual benches, you know, underneath the window or, you know, if you don't need the dresser's built in on the end of the island, we'll do that too, which is really, really smart and a good allocation of space. But if you can float something, even if you have that, if you can float around little Ottoman or a cool stool or something that just has some personality. When I see that, I'm just like, go you, I love a chair. You need somewhere to sit. I agree. So does he? Yes. So last thing before we go, let's pay forward any appliance mentions that our closets are loving today inside their closet. But the wash and dryer and his, the stackable, you know, so that we can just do our own laundry in our own sphere and don't have to go to the laundry room and share with others. So I do think a wash and dryer is nice. If you have the ability to do that, you can have it in your by in your closet. Go you. Yeah. I do think that that is really, really nice. I will say that the LG steamer is so great and they have them in two different sizes. There's more and more companies that are coming out with them, but LG is the one that our appliance experts, they recommend the most. And like, I think you can fit two or three articles of clothing in one and then four to five in the other one. So they're not big. They're, they're pretty narrow. Slim, but they're really like just becoming a favorite appliance. The ice machine of the closet. If you don't have to go get your clothes dry cleaned. Or just steam them in the, like I, it's 10, that's 10 minutes. I'd love to get back out of each day. You know, it's crazy. And LG makes a steamer as well. And that's a separate appliance from the dry cleaning one. And we're also doing that in closets right now. Yeah. And have we heard back are people loving that? Yeah. I think that I think everybody's so great. Yeah. I'm like, everybody's loving it. It's so great. I would steam everything. My sheets would go in there. Great idea. Yeah. Yeah. All the things. Well, um, any last tips or tricks that we need to pay forward on building the ultimate closet or even just little tips to up their own closets today. We didn't talk about valet rods. Oh, and I think we need to just tell the people what a valet rod is. A valet rod is a piece of hardware that telescopes out from the face of the cabinetry and it will live in a, what's the blank space between cabinetry, Corey? It's like the top of the face frame in the face frame. It will live there and they're able to bore that in. And it telescopes. So it just looks like a little ball and you're able to pull that out and you've got a rod vertical and then you're like putting all of your, your outfits together that you're going to wear on your trip. Like here's my swimsuit. Here's the coverup. And you're kind of building those and then you're packing them. And it's just so nice to have a valet rod. I think it's a favorite, favorite thing. I have something in my closet that I use all the time. I wish I had three of them now that I have one. So, um, definitely do a valet rod. I feel like that's one of those things that's not going to be very expensive, but something you don't see often and just, yeah, very utilitarian. And actually, if you don't have the space for that right now or can't do it with whatever your situation is, at least go get yourself some cute hooks that you can hang in between sections because you can still build one outfit on a hook. You know, you could have your skirt behind a jacket, your top in there. You could even hang your necklace on your, as you're putting outfits together or like trying to figure out where you're going to wear tomorrow to be on your podcast, like you can build your own outfit. And so I even have a couple of hooks in places where I do that trick with and it's just great for outfit planning. So like when you get the new dress, you have to hang it up. Yeah. And just like, I think I'm like, that's what I would do. I'm just like, oh, it's my new treasure. It's my new toy. I know it is like artwork, right? Yeah, it totally is. Yeah, I love that. That's a really good last tip. Yeah. Well, you guys, thanks so much for tuning in for, um, Transform Your Closet. I hope this has been informational for you. It's always fun to dream and think about a space like this. We have an insider program. It's our online store and it's the best place to get and see what's new. You get to shop the sales before they start. You get to shop the launches before they start. You just get all the insider information. So, um, you can sign up there at Alice Lane home.com to become an insider. Also, if you guys want to shop the website, we have a special code for you right now. 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