E1076 - Jesse Metcalfe, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Winter Olympics, Super Bowl, Below Deck Down Under & RHOBH

what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick he's singing got a little jazz tune going on in the Yeah. You got a little up in your step this morning, man. Do I? Yeah. River slept through the night. Oh, my God. You're in the night in your own crib all night long. Does she still have the crib crib, or is it, like, the baby crib? She still has the crib crib. As opposed to what? Like a big girl. The bed that is a crib. You know what I mean? Where it's, like, they can get out. The ones that are, like, off the ground, but, like, still have, like, railings. Oh, no, we'll move to that soon at some point. But, no, she's still in her crib, and she just, every single night for the past, feels like centuries at this point she wakes up in the middle of the night and we just bring her into our bed a lot easier she sleeps quite good with us so but last night i put her to bed with the magic touch of course and with her little tony you know have you heard of those tony boxes what is that it's like a anyone with kids i'm sure you know the tony box is like a little music box And it comes with all, like, you can buy all the little characters separately. So, like, she has Belle. She has Cinderella. She has Lion from Lion King. And it plays every song from it. But then it also, like, tells the story of the movie. You can get, like, books. You can use her imagination. Yeah. But she is, like, loves Belle. And so I put her to bed last night, and she was holding Belle. And I think, honestly, that was it. that she woke up in the middle of the night and she was like, my God, Belle. Wait, I'm good. That's all she needed. That's all she needed was Belle. Well, we have a fantastic episode lined up for you. The iconic, the legendary, Jesse Metcalf joins us later this episode coming up shortly. Very excited to have Mr. John Tucker. The iconic. And Desperate Housewives fans. I've always wanted to be a pool boy. Me too. You could still do that. I could. You have a pool and a wife. It would hit different at this stage in my life. It would be like if I were like a 20-something and a pool boy, I'm like, That's true. It's going to happen. So much adventure. Now I'd be like, what went wrong? What went wrong? What went wrong? I do spiritually feel like there is a pool boy inside me. Nick tells me it's not too late for me to be a male man. A what? A male man. That was my childhood. You would look so cute in those shorts. You guys, do I tell Jesse Metcalf I wrote a song called Desperate Housewives? Did you? Yeah. Pretty good, actually, too. It's kind of a banger, Loki. Can you play it? Right now? It has nothing to do with the show, though. Oh. No, it's about me telling a girl she was giving Desperate Housewives. In the song, I was like, he was the pool boy in Desperate Housewives. I was like hooking up with him along the way. Well, yeah, but in the song, he was the pool boy in my brain. It was a loose narrative structure, you guys, okay? Well, we also have the incomparable Carolyn with us from last seasons of Traitor. She was a traitor herself. And given the recent shenanigans going down in the castle, we thought it would make a lot of sense to get Carolyn's perspective on all things going on in Trader's Land. Also, we got some shows to cover. I forgot what's over. Below Deck crossover. Oh, we got the Below Deck crossover. Finally, the ladies of Salt Lake City. We get to see the other side of the story. They kept it pretty light. Yeah, that's what I'm ready for. I'm ready for the next episode. Yeah. Do you think we're really going to get anything? We're going to get a lot. I mean, I think it's going to be some great below deck. I think, no, fun to watch, you know, the below deck cast. But I don't feel like we're really going to get... Extra tidbits. Yeah. Given that this was the trip that led to the airplane ride, I just feel like there's just a lot of sensitivity around... Actually, we did get a little tidbit, because immediately when Bronwyn saw the unicorn in the room, And she goes, I'm going to throw that overboard. And I was going to say, we also got Heather Gay producing, being like, yeah, Britney, flirt with every guy on this ship. Where I'm like, we wouldn't have seen that on Salt Lake City. And then we also heard her being like, on Salt Lake City, kind of judging Britney for flirting with every guy. That's why I said the thing that's kind of interesting about this is that, like, the Below Deck cast, it's like, the whole show shows their guest in the light that they present themselves in, not the light that, like, a housewife wants to be presented in. And it's always critical of the guest, usually. Yeah. So that's what's fascinating. Because this is a show about the workers. Yeah. That's why I'm like, I feel like we're going to get some more tidbits this next episode. This was just kind of like the introduction to the crew who's on the ship. The stress between the chef and the sous chef. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next episode will be like. Because there needs to be a marriage. Bless the sous chef. Yeah. Why would she take that job, girl, without experience? Go to culinary school. I'm sorry. I just have a passion for cooking. I don't actually know how to cook. And I agree with her. Meanwhile, recently, single chef Ben is like, what the fuck? I was going to say Chef Ben in general. Most chefs in general, no offense, you do beautiful work, but the patience and the temper, they're short. Yeah. Well, Nick is also, his patience is very short. I was going to say. He's cooking as well. Imagine Nick's two chefs. Just as chefs in general are like cooking, like where it's like you do beautiful work, but like the patience, it's hot in there. You're trying to get things done. Yes, it's a very serious atmosphere. Yeah, 100%. So they're working under Chef Ben. Speaking of, we have a mouse in our vent, our hood vent. I don't think we do have a mouse. What do you mean? I think we have a broken vent. I'm convinced that it's a mouse, and Nick is like, it's not. It's just like a piece of the vent floating around in there. I'm like, no, I actually heard scratching like when it's now. I feel like actually it's not on, and it just randomly makes noise. Well, yeah, that did happen. Yeah, and then Nick goes, no, it's rhythmically every 20 seconds. Listen. And then it wasn't. And then it hit the side of the vent like it was like trying to scurry away. Oh, I don't think there's a mouse there. but I won't let Nick take it down because I'm like it will escape and then it will be in our bed and I need a pest control person so I'll get to it later I did ask Natalie I'm like in the man equation like are you comfortable with me waiting to call pest control so that you don't know what's happening or am I being expected to pull this thing down right now to go in there grab the ladder and deal with the crisis Yeah. And I don't want him to do it. Yeah. I feel like there's room for error. And we don't need error with a loose mouth. I think you can smoke them out. I randomly saw a video of that. Like, and they survive, but they leave. I can for sure smoke a mouse out. All right. Speaking of Brittany, sad news. What's that news? It's good news. Her and Jared. For the week. Are we together? Are we broken up? She posted, like, a reel of the two of them. This is not giving. We're done. Yeah. But the caption read, goodbye, baby. You are loved. I'm walking away from something and someone I truly love. My heart is broken. I put this video together to show the world our real relationship. For anyone who has wondered why I kept going back to Jared, there was real love there. Jared, goodbye. You'll always have the most special place in my heart. And you were really the love of my life. But if he's the love of your life, babe, don't quit. This is the best part. I'm moving on. This time, I'm dating myself. Hey, good to Ariana Grande. Jared, goodbye. Did they catch you, Britt? Brittany, you've got to listen to Eternal Sunshine by Ariana Grande. I think that album's really going to listen to me. She's letting herself. I mean, you know, the heart wants what the heart wants. I saw a Meredith Marks post leaving the show, which was quickly found out to be fake news. Right. Then we saw Brittany speculation about her not getting a contract for next season. And then she reposted something? Yeah, I mean, honestly, Sarah and I were talking about this where it is kind of common sometimes in the housewife world where it's like between seasons, you'll see people speculate if certain people are coming back. And then you'll also see the actual housewife chime in to be like teasing it to maybe spark drama online. It's like two truths and a lie. Like, you know what I mean? Or maybe one truth and two lies. Or they're trying to find the truth. I think there's a world where Brittany doesn't know, and she saw people posting, and then she reposted on her story someone saying, like, Andy, like, think again, or, like, bring her back. So I think she's trying to, like, campaign that way. I imagine it must be difficult, because if they start hearing, oh, contracts are out, you know. Exactly. I think it was Miss Angie Kay. In the nicest possible way, she was just like, yo, I just, like, you know, I talked to them when we were filming. Yeah. Yeah. Well, even Crystal said she got a little tidbit about the Orange County Housewives cast, and all of them are texting her being like, what do you know? Yeah, but that's the thing. They don't really talk. Yeah. And so when you hear speculation online, it would not be surprising that, like, Brittany might see that and go, oh, shit, I'm out. Am I on the chopping block? Do you remember, like, even when you are removed from the cast or you don't get a pickup, like, I remember Teddy Mellencamp, she found out through the press. So I think a lot of the times the cast also doesn't, like, they're not part of the conversation. But everybody else does now. It sounds like Brittany, like, she might be breaking up with Jared to have a storyline again. Well, when we had Angie K on, she was very much like, I hope the next time we see Brittany on our screen, she is single. It's more about her, less about the Jared of it all. She was like, because that version is very fun. Well, we have Brolin, single, dating, out there, giving us at least what I've always wanted. And maybe the producers are sitting the ladies down and saying, all right, this is what we're going to do next season. We're going to date. You know, the fans want it. They need it. Brittany down. Goodbye, my baby. Jared, goodbye. Brittany dating would be iconic. It would be iconic with Brittany. She'd be singing, like, at the dinner table. Oh, my God. Making Brittany and Bronwyn go on, like, a double dating. Well, Bronwyn's taken. Well, for now, she is. She's casually dating. I would watch her go on dating. She's casually taken. She's casually taken. Exactly. The two of them. With Brittany and whoever she finds, chef's kiss. And in addition to other rumors, Amanda Francis as well. Oh, yeah, that's stuff. We briefly talked about it last week. She cleared it up. She personally went straight to the village. She actually spoke out and said, I'm fake news. Fake news, I'm fake. She said I have a reunion on my calendar. I was, like, booked and busy. She said reunion, my watch what happens last final interview. Like, I am booked and busy. So I don't know why that was circulating, but not real. It was because of the after show. because they did, like, usually, as far as I know, the opera show was shot in, like, one sitting. So you have everybody sitting in the chairs with whatever pairing. But they did a pickup for Kyle Richards to talk about her marriage with Mauricio. Okay. And she wasn't present in the pickup. So, like, the chair was just good. Why would she have to be present in the pickup? Well, because all of the cast was there except for her. So it was probably, like, doing a motivational video. She was probably busy is what I think. She was manifesting money, you guys. Yeah, but people made that into she was fired or left filming early. and wasn't there for the show. To your point, though, that's how quickly these rumors kick up. It's like, oh, you were absent for an interview talking about someone else's husband. Like, you know what I mean? That would make sense. I'm just confused with the fans of Beverly Hills want. Like, on one side of the Internet, all I hear is complaints about how it's boring. They're not giving anything. You know, a lot of the more OG cast members are just kind of mailing it in. And then on the other side, I just see people just, like, roasting Amanda and, like, picking, you know, And I get it. She's like, have some quirks. Maybe she says things that are a little like. I think she was very much necessary. She's not my favorite by any means, but I'm like very much necessary to make this show move because the past seasons. But why are we? Yeah. It's like we bully them off the show if we don't like them a little bit. Because we still have Kyle and Dorit fighting over the same stuff they've been fighting about for the last three seasons. I'm so. So to have Amanda also in the mix does help soften them up a little bit. and give us something else. I was like Sutton had her worst last two seasons, and now all of a sudden Amanda's making her seem likable, but also because Amanda's coming up to the forefront and Sutton's taking a step back. You know what I mean? So I'm just like, it's necessary. You need the shakeup. You need a polarizing character that gets along with some of the cast and doesn't get along with the rest of them to stir up some drama, because I'm sorry, but Beverly Hills is probably the most contained cast out of any of the Housewives. Well, we'll get into Beverly Hills a little bit later as well. Big announcement. It's an exceptionally important Going Deeper this week. We are, of all thoughts exclusive, announcing your next three farmers for Farmer Wants a Wife. Super exciting to be a part of that announcement, and that is all here this Wednesday on Going Deeper. If you are not familiar with Farmer Wants a Wife, you should be. That's like the most successful dating show. Yeah. Kendall Jenner wants to be on it. Mm-hmm. Dakota Johnson's one of her favorites. It's some sexy farmers. They're hot. Looking for wives and bringing them to the farm. The thing about Farmer Everyone's a Wife is it does, like, awaken a part of me that, from when I was a child, you know what I mean, in the South, where I'm like, that's a man. Hell yeah. You know what I mean. All here on Wednesday, we are announcing the next three farmers. So get ready to fall in love with the farm all over again and some cowboys. That's this Wednesday. It's going to be a ton of fun. We also had the Super Bowl. Anyone excited about the winner? Yeah, I hate the Patriots, so I was happy. Who did win? The Seahawks. The Seahawks. The correct team. The Seabirds of Seattle. Yeah. I don't care about any of them. I just hate the Patriots, so that was good. Yeah, Gigi. Gigi. Good game. Gigi Hadid did a really great job last night on the field. No, it was definitely the Bad Bunny Super Bowl. It was good. I feel like these were two teams that really no one cares about. Right? Maybe besides me. I got my fiancé to go to the movies during a fat thing. Like, Nick also took River to the park during the game. He went to the grocery store. No, I watched. He wasn't, like, locked in. I wasn't, like... I was on TikTok during the game and locked in during the commercials. But the commercials, besides the Emma Stone, Yorgos Lanzimos one, kind of suck. The Duncan one? Why were they pretty good? age no the duncan one with jennifer aniston ben affleck tom brady it's gonna chill up my spine what a little cringe for you it was just why are they de-aged it stressed me out oh i loved it goodwill duncan is an incredible pun i will say that like goodwill hunting it was a duncan commercial it's like if a good if goodwill hunting was a 90s rom-com yeah uh-huh and it had ben Affleck and like Jennifer Aniston was his girlfriend George from Seinfeld it was your favorite my favorite yeah anyways Bad Bunny of course took over performed was actually I think so good but I mean the creativity in it I think like the storytelling it was just and I don't need I'm not fluent in Spanish by any means but I was moved I was moved and my hips were moving yeah the I was smiling the entire time It was just like, oh, it was so touching. I was a Puerto Rican. Very proud. Play. Thank you. There was a couple that got married. There was a couple that got married, and what I heard, allegedly, is that those were his friends that he was invited to their wedding. Couldn't make it. Is that true? Yeah. So he brought the wedding. Why don't you get married during the Super Bowl? Wait, that was their actual wedding? Yeah. Cool, but not for me. Wow. I mean, you can always do that. Like, you always have your wedding again, but, like, you wouldn't do that. It's, like, iconic. Well, I mean, if my best friend was a rock star on that weekend, you know when they're like, hey, it's your day. It's your day. It's all about you. A lot of people are talking about that moment, though. Yeah, for sure. No, yeah. Honestly, that's kind of the only way I would want to get married. Like, it's really, like, no one's paying that much attention to me, but it's, like, a really cute, everyone's like, oh, my God, love that. And now let's move on. Is that true? That we're his friends? That he... what i have seen to be proven but you know i guess i am also scared i saw that i didn't know that it's his friends but i saw that it was a real couple that got married and that was a real when they kissed i was like they love each other yeah you're like such good acting it was real there was yes then there was uh it opened up at like this casita where we had alex earl cardi b pedro pascal carol g jessica alba jessica alba thank you um ricky martin did you see john ham also dancing to bad bunny so cute so cute someone called him um juan jamon oh juan jamon because that is johnny they did that with baby gaga too i can't remember what the full name was but it was like my lady guadalajara also ricky martin i'm sorry how old is he 56 I had a crush on him in the 90s. I still have a crush on him today. It was so hot. So hot. Well, it's all about hydrating and taking care of your skin. We also have the Winter Olympics going on. Yeah. I've been into. All I've seen thus far are the boys from Heated Rivalry. Doing the torch open? Yeah. I thought you were just talking about ice hockey. Oh, no. But I'm very excited for that. This is my first Olympics, being a girl dad. And so now I'm very tuned in to many of the ladies' events. Like, what can he put River in? Yeah. Well, I'm very in tune to their inspirational stories. We have Lindsey Vonn, who unfortunately did have an accident. I've been really, like, just mesmerized by this story. Lindsey Vonn, who is already Olympic gold champion. And at 41 years old, she is competing in this Olympics, going for gold again. And I just think there's so many aspects of the story I find just really incredible. one, it's just like, it's easy, especially if you reach the top of the mountain, to like, quit while you're ahead or, you know, if you win a Super Bowl, it's just like, quit while you're on top and things like that. It's a lot harder and a lot more challenging to like, try to compete where you feel like maybe you're past your prime. And then she tore her ACL right before the Olympics, still competed. I just like, there's just so much about her story that as a girl dad, I want my daughter, you know these are going to be her heroes so i'm watching the winter olympics and i'm like thinking about who are the women that my daughter will look up to and be inspired by and yeah i'm way i'm way more tuned in to the the women events this olympics well that makes me really excited because that means that when the summer olympics come around and the women start playing basketball you might be a little bit more locked in of course there it is there we go You do have a point, though, Nick, because I feel like everybody that's at the Olympics is someone that's accomplished within themselves. Like, regardless of what award or medal you're winning. You're an Olympian. But you're an Olympian. And they've all, like, done amazing things. And when they're younger, they're doing it at a young age. Or if they're older, they're doing it at an older age. Well, yeah. I mean, River's only two now, so she can't really be aware of Lindsey Vonn's story. But, like, if she were, you know, like, an eight- or nine-year-old girl, there's so many, like, aspects of Lindsey Vonn's story other than just winning gold. Yeah. Obviously, there's a lesson in there of what she's had to do to win. But more importantly, like the resiliency, the competitor in her, the getting back up after you literally crash or, you know, figuratively, like, you know, it doesn't go well for you. It's such a cool aspect of like just some great lessons and great role models you find in each Olympics. It's funny that you say that because like, as we know, I'm not the biggest sports person, let alone am I watching the Olympics. but growing up uh tara lipinski for one high graders uh kristen yamaguchi dominique dawes dominique mochiano i'm like i still remember these these athletes names because they were so prevalent in the olympics they were close not like close to my age but close enough and it was just like watching these like young women i was like maybe i'll be a figure skater maybe i'll be a gymnast so i'm like it's like simone biles for my generation yeah just like the women's national soccer team when i was growing up like alex morgan megan rapinoe like all of those fighting for equal pay and stuff like that was so impactful on me and just how i view the world yeah of just and they will always mean so much to me like that entire like roster of soccer players just because i was like like that was impressionable yeah yeah that was it yeah i found myself watching it just being like very wondering who my who my daughter's role models are going to be growing they're all good options if they're olympians i do think it's it's also cool to see and i'm one of these people but us not realizing how big Tara and Johnny were until, like, right now because they're doing a lot of commentary. Yeah, right. That's what I'm saying. But there's a lot of people in mind that are like, I did not, out of love, realize that they are major people. Oh, yeah. Tara Lipinski was, like, somebody I was so excited to watch skate every single time. And they're good. I went back and watched. She's like an Olympian. Yeah. Absolutely. And who won the gold downhill? Breezy Johnson. shout out to Breezy Johnson who won the gold for women's downhill skiing in American they haven't won gold I think since Lindsay Vaughn is that accurate? could be wrong, I don't know also that reminded me now that Natalie and I are deep into baby names Breezy Johnson what a win for the parents yeah truly what should we name our kids maybe Breezy Johnson and then one of the parents were like I don't know, they would have to be an Olympic gold medalist for that to really pay off You know? It's like a lot of, like, baseball player names are really, like, cool, interesting. What's Mookie Betts? Mookie Betts. Mookie Betts. Yeah. Great. What an amazing baseball name. Yeah. Nick and I are very much in that, like, God, they just got to be. They got to be. That works if they are an Olympic gold champion. Is that the kind of names we're coming up with? No, but. Well, you throw stuff out. Yeah. You're just like, but what if they're really cool? Yeah. Victory. You know I support the creative names. I said to Nick the other day, do we feel like vintage is like a cool thing? And it was like... Vintage Vial? Vintage Vial. Vintage? For boy or girl. Why would you name her Baggy Fit? Y2K. No. Yeah. Palm jeans. I like it. Does it really mean that I've incorporated the thumbs down? It does. I text him a lot of names. Okay. I'm like, no, no, yeah, I text him a lot of names. And it is crazy considering he does get last name. And I am... doing all, all of the work over here. And I get thumbs down. Would you rather want an explanation, though? Sometimes that can crush you more. I'd rather him just be like, whatever you want, babe. I'm just honest. You know? Did we hear that? Breezy Johnson. You could go either way. Breezy Vile. All right, up next, we have the incomparable Jesse Metcalf. Matt Caff. Many of you know him from his famous iconic roles with John Tucker Must Die and Those Desperate Housewives. But before we get to Jesse, just a quick reminder that Netflix is a joke is coming here to L.A. and we are performing live, The Vile Files, with the next cast of Temptation Island. So if you'd like to see us mixing it up with your next scandalous cast of Temptation Island, tickets are now available. So join us on May 6th. Be sure to get tickets. They are available now. Go to our link in bio. And also, Don't forget, Vile Files Plus is available. It's rocking and rolling. It's now ad-free. And if you want to get ad-free episodes of the Vile Files Plus, Reality Recap, DeepDot, your Pop Extra, Roundups, and your Update Pluses, be sure to check out Vile Files Plus. Go to VileFiles.com or the link in the show description to sign up. You'll be glad that you did. All right, our next guest, Jesse Metcalf, is here to talk about how we can age more gracefully. Let's get to Jesse Metcalf. Well, Dusty, welcome to the show, man. Thank you. It's great to have you. We're so excited to have you. Thank you for having me. So you watched the Super Bowl? I did. Kind of out of the corner of my eye. Yeah. As I've gotten older, I don't really care about sports as much. I watched a lot of sports growing up. It was like every morning, cereal in SportsCenter before school. You know, I grew up in Connecticut. That's where the headquarters of SportsCenter is. It is. It is. It's a really sports-heavy area. Grew up playing a lot of sports. I played baseball. I played basketball. I played tennis. I ran cross country. I didn't play football because my high school didn't have a football team. We had a soccer team. My high school had a football team. They were just bad. Was there not enough kids to have a football team? I went to this upper prep school. We played soccer. We played soccer and lacrosse. And then when in your life where you're like, you know what, I have an autistic side to me. I want to get into the theater. I want to get into acting. How did that all happen? Super, super early. I mean, I played a lot of sports, but I was by no means the star athlete. You know, I was just decent. But I always, I was in the band. I was in the chorus. I liked to paint and draw. I was always an artsy kind of indie kid and I paid the price for it you look to the mirror and you're like I'm beautiful so I should model and you're like how did you know so what do I do with all this humility and good luck what are my options i can present like i like when did it how old were you when you got like into acting uh not till i was 20 okay actually uh yeah the the drama teacher at my high school was always encouraging me to audition for the school plays but i never did i never quite had the the confidence to to go there yeah that that's pretty revealing you know acting in front of your high school peers yeah i wasn't that confident you know of a kid growing up it's true that really does take a lot of guts you know it's one thing to walk into an audition room with people you don't know or you know have some cameras there but the the kids who are maybe not the nicest to you during lunch were like oh you want me to perform in front of them what are you doing they had plenty of reasons already i've always wanted to do theater honestly and i i even attempted to book some stuff on the west end and uh in the uk uh and got really close on a couple things but they didn't end up panning out but i can imagine i would be insanely nervous yeah on opening night i mean that is just like you got to be really really brave to to lead a theater production and the amount of productions you have to do and i mean it's just like do you feel like broadway's in your future i mean i i maybe start off broadway you know but yeah like like i said a little bit, can you? I can sing a little bit. It's definitely something I'd love to do, but it's quite the undertaking, isn't it? You do have your new skincare line. I do. How did you get into that? You know, I always wanted to try my hand at being an entrepreneur. I thought this was a natural extension, sort of my brand, given that there's been such an emphasis on, you know, my looks over the years. I've always been asked on the red carpet what my skincare routine is and how i look i think younger than i actually am i know it's like i don't want to like sit here and give myself a compliment no i definitely was shocked to find out you were 57 i like that i'm just gonna roll i'm just gonna go with that that's a little more impressive yeah no no i mean you're like no jesse you look exactly your age yeah You don't look a day under 47. So, you know, and also I had acne as a teenager, you know, like many of us do. It's not like I went through something that like nobody else went through or anything. But because of that, I sort of became educated at an early age about skin care and various different topicals used to treat acne and, you know, different anti-aging topicals and hydrating topicals. And I used a lot of that knowledge and also the knowledge that I gained over the last 27 years in the business, you know, being gifted basically every product under the sun, you know, and put all that knowledge into this line as well as some really cutting edge peptide complexes, one of which is called argeraline, which is often referred to as natural Botox. Hello. And another one called Matrixel 3000, which is a cell signaling peptide. peptide that signals the fibroblast cells in your skin to produce more collagen, which is directly related to, you know, the elasticity of your skin, reduces the appearance of fine lines. So before you created Neutral Skin, were you, you had your own skincare that, like, routine that you were doing, but was it, like, not working for you? You know what? I was a little all over the place. I was a little all over the place with my skincare routine, and I imagine a lot of other people are as well um because there's just so many options and part of the ethos behind this brand was i just wanted to cut through the noise of an increasingly cluttered skincare market there's all these different marketing drivers around skincare and you don't really know what's good what's not good what works what doesn't work all you know is oh that one's got a pretty package you do have really good pretty packaging though you do yeah but i also feel like majority i kept it simple it's also i also called it neutral because it's gender neutral i was about to say So it's a product line that both girlfriends and boyfriends, wives and husbands can share. So you don't have to have 50 million products on your counter. See? You guys can share. It's because he won't put the top on and then there's dry. It's like toothpaste. We don't put tops on, baby. Yeah, you don't close having a door either, do you? Everyone has a role. But no, I was going to say it is. I think especially, though, for men, because there are so many products that are marketed to women that they're kind of like, I don't know. Well, that's why I wanted a more gender neutral look. Totally. And I also wanted something that was a transparency is a big part of the brand. Yeah. You know, our ingredients, the products are super clean. There's no fillers, no silicones, no parabens, no fragrances. The product line is great for all skin types. So you're doing this morning and night? I do, yeah. Can you buy the box where it's every step you need? You can buy the total package or you can buy it individually, and it's also a subscription model. And you can renew your subscription every 30 days, every 45 days, or every 90 days. Signing my fiance up immediately. He's always asking me, like, what skincare, what face wash do I use? And I'm just like, I don't know. I use this. But then I'm like, you're not going to go back and get this yourself. So that actually is very helpful. Well, both men and women love these products, but specifically because of how well they absorb into the skin and the consistency. They're more of a gel and less of like a heavy cream, specifically the serum and the moisturizer. And men like that because it keeps your skin really matte and your skin doesn't get too oily from the products. And women like it because it's great pre-makeup routine. It's not sticky. Wow, there's a lot of thought behind this. There's a little bit of thought behind this. How do you think he looks so good? I know. Yeah, it's blinding. I know. Truly. Has it been tough? Well, you know, growing up, every once in a while I got a compliment for my looks. Not quite like you. But then as I got older, I honestly, as I started aging. No, I can imagine you were a really good looking kid. Was. Yeah. You're still a great looking guy. You know what I mean? But as I got older, yeah, you get older, you know, maybe a hair gets a little like it comes out. You're just like, am I losing my hair? You notice a wrinkle. And then it's like, I'm, that's all I, I, I remember one time. Oh my God. I'm sure someone like yourself, ever since you were 20, you came on the scene. We were joking before you, you came in the studio that I've always wanted to be a pool boy in my, in my early twenties. Like you, you like lived this life as a young man that I think a lot of even like men like myself aspired and women like were attracted to you. Is there pressure as you, you know, get older to like, fuck man. Like, you know, I still I still got to show up and take care of myself. I don't even know where I began. It was honestly a very wild journey, you know, with a lot of different ups and downs from my adolescence to being a 47 year old man and having a pretty meteoric rise in the industry in the middle of that. You know, I dealt with I dealt with a lot, you know, especially as an adolescent and a teenager. I had various different father figures in my life. I was estranged from my biological father for like 15 years. So like my sense of self, my identity, my confidence was on shaky ground from the very beginning. And then when I got my first opportunity to start modeling, which ultimately led to an open casting call for a daytime television show that I booked and then now, you know, a 27-year career in the business, that was really the first moment where I started to find myself, find my identity, find my confidence. It was a great thing for me, but maybe part of that that wasn't so great was that my entire sense of self was really wrapped up in the success or failure of my career. And I think a lot of actors and people in this business, people in this town fall prey to those circumstances. And it can really kind of destroy you because it's a very feast or famine industry. And it's a very fickle industry. One minute you're hot, one minute you're not. And you've got to be able to weather those lulls in your career and still kind of know who you are. So that's probably the most current thing that I've been dealing with. It's just that having reached the heights that I've reached and then sort of not necessarily going back to square one, but I mean, I have to audition for pretty much everything I go out for now. You know, I still get the occasional offer, but I mean, it's not like I'm getting offered everything under the sun. And it's not like the phone's ringing off the hook. You know, I mean, I really feel like I honestly feel like I've underachieved, you know, in this business. And I certainly hope my next chapter is around the corner, you know, because that's really what I've been working towards. I believe you are a household name. I mean, so is there something that you once valued that you don't anymore? I don't value fame as much. I value my peace and my deepening and developing my personal relationships with the people that I really care about a lot more than popularity, fame, and being liked. Yeah. You've got to make that transition. That's a weird transition. to figure out in your 20s. I probably wasn't until in my early 30s or late 20s where I was just like, I'm comfortable with who I am. I got some strengths. I got some weaknesses. And you try to work on those. But, yeah, I'm grateful that any type of introduction into the public space, I was a little bit older, and I imagine it must be very difficult for someone like yourself early in your 20s that's such a pivotal chapter in one's life and then to be thrusted into that fame and attention, which is exciting and great and you feel it, but you're right. When it goes away for periods of time, it's a very challenging chapter. Once you get that first big break, you cannot take it for granted. You really have to nurture it and maintain that momentum. You don't want to do anything that adheres your forward progress or that slows that momentum because that's going to be, you know, a negative for your career. And I mean, I didn't always handle myself well. Yeah, you know, I mean, I think I could have been a lot more humble probably, you know, in my mid-20s into my early 30s a little bit. And, you know, I mean, much like any industry, it's a lot about relationships. You really want to leave every working relationship, every professional relationship, every encounter with anyone within the business, leave that person with a good impression. Leave that person feeling good, that they had a good interaction with you, and they're going to say something positive about you to the next person. And I think that's what's more important to building a career than actual talent. Yeah, honestly, there's a lot of truth to it because you're right. This town is fickle. People leave jobs, get new jobs. you're just like I don't fuck with that person 15 years later and people hold a grudge yeah they do hold a grudge and it's it's a tough and like you said I mean especially in the actor's career like you you know some actors will choose to like take a break or like you said like it just maybe they're working their asses off and they'll get the credits but maybe they didn't pop in a way that they've popped before then all all the fans will be like what happened or something like that you're like I'm living my best life oh I know it's but it's hard it's hard to not like read stuff and have it get into your head. That's probably another thing, too, that totally changed for me. I used to read everything that was written about me on the Internet. I was just up in there. Oh, my God, this person said this. And I was just irate and angry and hurt and emotional. Now I don't even look at that stuff. It's such a freeing feeling to just not – we cover Real Housewives of Beverly Hills on the show. So we were watching the most recent episode, and Rachel Zoe was talking about how her divorce was all over the news and the media. And I was like, I don't think I saw one headline about that. You know, like, and it just makes you realize that obviously, like, everything is fed to you because it's you. Yeah, when it's about you, it feels heavy. It's totally amplified. Everyone is talking about you. You're like, no one's talking about you. No one cares. You go to the grocery store and you're like, are people staring? You've been stressing yourself out and nobody cares. What? What? You're like, sorry, I just wanted to get that apple. That's the right thing. Yeah, you're just in the way. Speaking of one of your more iconic roles, John Tucker Must Die, you know, even if you never watched that movie, it was such a, like, a pivotal movie in pop culture. Have you ever had an experience where people, you know, we cover a lot of reality TV. I've been on reality TV, even though, like, I don't feel like, you know, the person that you got to see of me fully encapsulated me as a person. It was still, like, a little bit of me, but you're playing a character. Like, you're just, that's not you. I'm not John Tucker, but I imagine you had some interesting fan experiences where people, like, blurred the lines between Jesse Metcalf and John Tucker and, like, almost, like, felt like they were taking it out on Jesse Metcalf when they should have been taking it out on John. Maybe they should have been taking it out on Jesse Metcalf. I didn't exactly shy away from that persona. Kind of played into it. It was a method. It was method. It was method acting. My bad. But it sounds like you've had some really pivotal life lessons throughout this experience. Oh, without a doubt. I mean, how did you first broach that? You first broached that by, well, I think the only drawback maybe to some of my more iconic roles is that it's pigeonholed me a little bit. Sure. You know, and made people think that that's all that I am or that's all that I'm capable of as an actor. Yeah. So that's probably the only drawback. I mean, I never thought that John Tucker Must Die would achieve this kind of iconic sort of Y2K teen comedy classic status. Because it got absolutely shredded, you know, when it premiered by the critics. I mean, I don't know. The Rotten Tomatoes score was very low. Really? Very low. Yeah. So, you know, the fact that it's sort of stood the test of time a little bit and been passed down through the generations from, like, older siblings to younger siblings and that people are still talking about John Tucker must die, like, 20-plus years. Then again, this could all be in my own head. Maybe they're not. No, no, no. It's still very relevant. It's definitely not. It's still very relevant. Mary just started – or Mary finished Desperate Housewives for the first time in this past year. Yeah, I hear that streaming somewhere now. I'm like Hulu. That's Amazon Prime, baby. Amazon Prime? A lot of people have been discovering Desperate Housewives for the first time, which is cool. My other John, I've played a lot of Johns. A lot of basic Johns. But an amazing. No, this character, Johns, oh, that character. An amazing, iconic John. Do you have a role that would be really fun for you to play that you think would maybe break the perception of the mold that you're in? We've heard an actor that comes to mind, Matthew McConaughey, famously in all these rom-coms. So, you know, other actors would like even tease at his expense. Matt Damon would do these like impressions of him of like a rom-com actor. And then you saw these interviews of Matthew being like, I don't want to do this anymore. And really like leaned into these other characters and broke the mold. What would be like a type of character you would want to play? I mean, that's a difficult question to answer because it's kind of broad. I mean, anything that would help me break that mold would be more than welcome. The types of movies I like, speaking of Matt Damon or something, Good Will Hunting had a huge impact on me when I was at NYU film school growing up. I really like dramas. I like characters that have really rich emotional arcs. Dead Poets Society is another movie that just really affected me growing up, those types of stories. but I have a million and one, you know, script ideas in my head that I think would be incredible that, you know, people are always saying, oh, produce your own vehicle, you know, take kind of control of your career. It's a lot easier said than done, you know, and I have produced quite a few movies. But, you know, maybe I'll take one of these ideas and run with it. I mean, we'll see. I do feel like, I don't know, I just have a sort of a sixth sense that that next chapter is kind of around the corner. for my career. I really do. I think just a lot of the self-work I've done and personal growth. I'm just ready. I'm just ready to sort of take on more complicated, mature roles. Is there a historical biopic that you would ever be interested in playing? Nothing off the top of my head right now. Back in the day, in my younger years, I thought it would be cool to play Elvis. Elvis Presley. I was actually up for... They did a TV series, you know, like a limited series. And Jonathan Rhys-Meyers actually ended up playing. Do you remember that actor, Jonathan Rhys-Meyers? I do. He played Elvis, which was interesting casting, you know, because he's English. He's an incredible actor. So that was always kind of an iconic, you know, personality that I thought I had the capability of playing because I think I look somewhat similar to Elvis. But off the top of my head, no, no one right now. I do love biopics, though. Yeah. Yeah, specifically music biopics. I'm obsessed with those movies. I'm sure you've been asked this, but, like, we're in an era of remakes and reboots and things like that and bringing back some of the more iconic shows. So, obviously, then the John Tucker Must Dies, the Desperate Housewives get brought up and stuff like that. You're in this kind of very transitional period where you're ready for that next chapter in your career, knowing that you've been pigeonholed by things. You know, like I, again, not to compare, but like being The Bachelor, it's like everyone who goes on that show wants to like break away, find their own thing. And it's just like, yeah, but I saw you on The Bachelor. Like, no, thank you. I'm doing other stuff. Would it be difficult for you to like accept that role if the rest of the cast got together? And would it be just a lot of fun? Could you embrace it? Or would that be a challenge where you'd want to like, maybe that's not right for me? No, I definitely embrace it. Okay. And there is a script for John Tucker Must Die 2. That's at 20th Century Fox. And, you know, our castmate, Arielle Kevel, who's on a new Taylor Sheridan show right now, Why Marshalls, she was sort of spearheading the development. And the script's solid. But I don't – and everyone's – most of the cast has expressed interest in being a part of it. I mean, I certainly wouldn't be the person that's like, no, I'm not good. You know, who am I to do that? Yeah, I would definitely be happy to be a part of it. And I think it would be super fun and funny. And I don't think it would necessarily deter what I'm trying to achieve. I mean, I see it's like John Tucker's finally getting married. Everyone from college is on this, like, this resort wedding or something. And then it's like, oh, no, John Tucker is doing what John Tucker has always done. It's a little more depressing than that. But I'm going to suggest that. There's a little bit more of a little bit. Love! What does it take for something? I mean, like, I'm sure there's so many. Honestly, I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea. I'm not really in control of this. Maybe I could go and, like, write my own script and pitch it to 20th Century Fox, you know? I'm not really in control of this particular iteration, so we'll see what happens. I'm just sort of along for the ride. I'll tell you what. Taylor Sheridan project. That would be kind of cool. Yeah, a Taylor Sheridan project would be amazing. I mean, he's like he's pumping them out. He's incredible. I mean, his whole story of the fact that he was an acting coach and just like how quickly he sort of took over this town and is such a prolific television creator and I mean, he's amazing. He's like a crazy, crazy powerhouse. Yeah. It's one great movie. Sicario? Sicario's great. It's with... Elizabeth Olsen? Elizabeth Olsen. Was it Wind River? Wind River. Wind River. Great movie. Great movie. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's inspiring hearing you talk about this next chapter of your life. The little bit I've learned being in this town is that, like, it's really about outlasting people. You know, like you said, I think it's a very fickle town. A lot of people chase their dreams. There's highs and lows. You know, a lot of people can't be a little bit like extreme high and extreme low. A lot of people aren't easy to work with and things like that. A lot of people go through it, don't learn the lessons and kind of humble themselves. And I really believe that, like, yeah, it's outlasting people. And your chapter, 100%, is definitely going to, like, I think manifest the way you want it to. Hell yeah, bro. I really didn't think that. It is true. There's a lot of things about looking at your resume, your career, and at some point they're going to be like, that's right. Jesse Metcalf. I'm right here. It is true. It is who can outlast. Yeah. Yeah. And being resilient. Yeah. Well, we have a little game for you before we let you go. Okay. It's really dumb and fun and easy. Not dumb, but like light and fun. There you go. Let's keep it light. It's not dumb. It's fun. It's silly. Well, dumb and the fun is not. It's pretty silly. But if you lose, you're not allowed to go, apparently. Yeah. You'll be covering Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with us. So we're going to read a line from an iconic movie or TV show, and you have to guess which character said the line. Bonus points if you name the project. If you get five points, you're free to leave the studio. Otherwise, you are trapped here forever part of this household. Wow. Okay. Round one, why would I date one girl when I can date three? Is that John Tucker from John Tucker? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. Forrest Gump. Yes, sir. Forrest Gump. That'd be self-titled. You knew this was complicated from the start. You knew this was complicated from the start. That was the voice. Sandra Bullock? This Congeniality? It's you. It's you. It's John Roland from Desperate Housewives. This Congeniality. I love that's where your mind went. That's lovely. I was trying to think like a host of this stuff. But you said it like a movie villain, and then you're like Sandra Bullock. Actually, can you say, in a world? What? In a world. In a world. Yeah, he does. He's got it. Just try out. Here's looking at you, babe. Humphrey Bogart. No. Casablanca? No. at you, no, here's looking at you, babe, is Fred Willard incorrectly quoting Humphrey Bogart in Waiting for God. Waiting for God. Really? Yeah. Wow, you always came up with that one. That was mine. That was tricky. Do you ever think that maybe there's more to life than being really, really, really ridiculously good looking? Oh my gosh. Um, whoa, whoa, this one's so easy. This one's so easy, but I'm blanking. Ben Stiller. Uh-huh. Ben Stiller. You got it. You're so close. Meet the parents now. What is it called? What is it called? Blue Steel. I can't remember the name of it right now. It's like a place you can take your kids to, like, pet some animals sometimes. I can't turn left. I can't remember. I can't remember. I love this movie, too. You do. What's the letter to begin with? Z. Oh, Z. Z. Zootopia. Yay, you won. Yeah, you won. We're going to let you win. Zootopia is a great movie. Jesse, so much fun, man. Yeah, definitely, man. Thanks for having me. Congratulations on everything and good luck the rest of the way. And obviously, Neutral Skin is available now wherever you get. Direct-to-consumer. Direct-to-consumer. On the website. Yep. N-U-T-R-L Neutral Skin dot com. We'll put a link in our show description so anyone interested can go ahead and find out. We're going to start all using it here, so watch our transformation. We're all going to get so happy. We will send them to you. I love you met my fiat set. Jesse, it's been a lot of fun, man. Thanks for taking the time. Thanks for coming. This is iconic. What a lovely guy. Really charming. Truly has not aged. I was looking at old, like, clips of John Tucker Must Die. It looks the exact same. I was staring this entire time. I was so scared to see what this interview looks like. It's just me like, yeah. Yeah. Sometimes when I don't speak, it's just because I don't want the people of Earth to see me just being, like, googly-eyed. I was a teenager. There's a lot of feelings tied to what was sitting on the other side of this couch. My goodness. I just thought it was really interesting hearing him talk about his career and just the ups and downs and just kind of vulnerably talk about he's ready for that kind of next chapter. It's getting grown man. And referencing just a little humility Did you see the new Rhode Island trailer I have Very very in tuned to my friend Ashley Iancanides Also her second career as a reality TV star Yeah. Also, the cast photos for this are holding the pearl. Love. It's a giant pearl, and it looks so sexy. It's giving birth to Venus. It is sexy. Ashley is very excited, from what I can tell, about this coming out, which I thought was interesting, because you never really know. Like the transition from Bachelor Nation and that world is very different. We've learned just from covering. The ABC universe transitioning to Bravo, certainly a different animal. I was curious about Ashley's experience, and she had a lot of positive things to say about her experience in her cast, so I'm excited to see it come to our TV screens. And seeing Jared as like Housewife's husband. That's what, yeah. That jawline. So good. and I think like the Bravo the people who have never watched them on any Bachelor stuff I think he's like hot husband alert like I think he's he's going to make it in the bracket when they do like the hottest husbands of Bravo I don't think Jared has a toxic bone in his body so it'll be really nice to see you know he's going to have to be like a voice of reason for what she's dealing with like she's going to be coming home being like so and so said like okay oh yeah because i do think the show description did include something about like struggles in their marriage and their oh my god yeah they were like having like a serious conversation about like their restaurant yeah yeah so it's like that's why i was like it's gonna be interesting i feel like for you guys because it's like you actually know them and then seeing things that you obviously wouldn't have known about that will make it on a tv show it's just like i mean like you guys okay yeah like really hey just saw the episode i know this was three months ago but like um you guys good But also, maybe, I mean, if they're having any with the Audreys, like, hello, it's now on a Bravo TV show. It's now going to be like a Sir Tom Tom. Southern hospitality. There's too many of them to count. But yeah. And we eat it up. Speaking of Super Bowl commercials, Andy had his own Super Bowl commercial. With the nerds. I got really, really excited during that. If there's one candy I want to promote, it's probably that one. First off, Nerds Gummy Clusters, best candy. If you don't think so, you can fall into a hole. I don't care. They're so good. I haven't had them over a year. Also, Bravo, Paige DeSorbo had a Bueno commercial. Yes. I saw the news for it, but I didn't see it. When did it come during the game? It was when you took River to the park. Oh. The commercial came on, and I was the only person there who knew who Paige DeSorbo was, and I went, is that Paige? And then everyone else was like, what? And I was like, y'all are not on the level that I am. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Andy did say about Rhode Island because a lot of people were saying, like, we can't tell these people apart. And Andy was like, you said that about Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks. He's in one of Salt Lake City. That is such lazy fan critiquing. It is. Real ones can really identify the difference between two brunettes. Okay. All I have to say is I watched that trailer and I said, okay, I am set. I am ready. That trailer is so freaking good. When does it come out? April 11th. April 2nd. April 2nd. You were one two more? But you made it. Because I don't have to wait that long. You were willing to wait until April 11. I am excited, though. Like, eventually Rhode Island's going to enter in the sphere of Ultimate Girls Trip. And I've been following every bit and piece that's public about Ultimate Girls Trip. But I don't know if you saw, allegedly, Tamara and Shannon. Not allegedly. We know they were. But Tamara and Shannon were not invited to the finale of Ultimate Girls Trip because they had some kind of form of, like, altercation or, like, feud at one of the earlier shoots. Isn't that what we want? I don't know. I'm confused. Why are they getting in trouble? This is sounding like off-camera airplane. I think it might have been on camera, but Crystal briefly talked about in Hubble Bragg 2, but production decided not to, like, move forward with that storyline on Ultimate Girl Trip. Yeah. I think they wanted to keep it lighter and probably more celebratory. Because that's what Ultimate Girl Trip is. Yeah. And Shannon and Tamara just couldn't help themselves. Couldn't help themselves. I was thinking of that scene of them at the dinner in Amsterdam when, like, Tamara's standing on the other side of things, like screaming at her from the table, and I'm just like, yeah, I could kind of be that kind of ruining the finale vibe. It would be so sad, because those are two women that I've had the pleasure of meeting in person, and just truly love my interactions with both those women. They're just like, I don't know, I just, I... They might have just feuded too close to the sun for Ultimate Roseboro. Give us oil and water. Because also, I know Gertie Obrero wasn't there at Miami. She responded. Gertie said, truthfully, I wasn't contacted for the Real Housewives Ultimate Girls trip, and it was surprising. especially since I've been part of the reboot from the very start. It would have been nice to be included and celebrate the milestone, but what matters most to me right now is staying locked in on me and the here and now. Yeah, and that was one of the discussions, too, because Gertie and Julia weren't at the Miami part of Road Trip. People thought they were not returning to Miami. Then you have Jennifer Aiden, who allegedly crashed the party, the Halloween party, where she was wearing the same outfit as Vicky as Taylor Swift. Anyways, I'm excited. Sounds like a lot is going to go on. Do we have a premiere date for Girls Trip? They're shooting it. Or they might have wrapped it, but they're shooting it right now. You know, it is starting this week. Love is blind. On my birthday, every year. Every year. We'll be getting into that mess starting Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. There's so much anticipation. Ohio. The whole state. They weren't even like, forget the city. They were like, if y'all have ever been to Ohio, yeah. Could we make it the whole state? That was, like, probably one of the worst-kept secrets. Like, they kind of were like, we're not going to say, disclose where the location is. But then it was, like, rumored to be Ohio. And then, like, ten days later, they're like, all right, so it's Ohio. And we're like, yeah, we fucking know. It's also, like, I feel like it's funny because it does really go to show that probably the Cincinnati-Columbus dating scene is so insular that they had to really just do the whole state. And, like, how big is Ohio? It's pretty big. It's pretty big. So, like, going to be long distance. Someone. Columbus, Cleveland, how far of a drive between some of the bigger cities? Let's maps it up, baby. I have a question because I don't know if this interferes with me being able to do my job, but I kind of want to play along with Love is Blind and, like, watch it blindfolded. Like, and see if I can, like, you know, because you do the whole reveal when they have their reveal, so then you're like, do they look like anything that you thought they were going to look like? I sometimes close my eyes. Like, I want to do that. When they're in the pod. I want to do that, and I want to be surprised, and then I want to come back here and tell you guys, like, Well, I thought Jim was going to have a bunch. If you want to do a social experiment, period. You should. I just want a clearance. You know that intro, that 10-minute intro where you're getting rapid-fire introductions? Everybody, you're going to be like... I'm going to be like, all right. Who's who? You're going to be like, have they started yet? All right. It is three hours and 46 minutes between Cincinnati and Cleveland. Okay. Three hours? Yeah. Two hours between Columbus and Cleveland. Okay. Columbus and Cincinnati. one hour and 38 minutes it's definitely a storyline if they're doing a season of a whole state I don't know I mean it takes me 40 minutes to get here and I do it every day so they can date well this season I think is going to have some drama what's even more exciting is following Love is Blind there's this new exciting show on Netflix dropping right after called Ace of Attraction I hope they have good hosts for that the hosts are fine but you guys are going to really really like this show you know you never know you never know it's a new show and obviously we're excited we're biased we were there we saw it we've seen episodes I think you guys are really really going to like it we loved the experience again I think it's really a show just about people obviously the age part is centered in the show you know age differences but it's really just about people like getting out of their own head of like all the reasons why society or family members said this person isn't right for you or that person is not right for you. And you get a collection of people frustrated with the dating current dating landscape and we put them together and we let them explore, you know, connections. And I think you'll be very entertained by what you find. I'm excited to get to see you guys see it. It is very romantic. It was a very beautiful scenery setting. most gorgeous yeah truly what else was romantic is the first episode of Below Deck there we go very very romantic and if you missed it we do have a rapid recap finally the crew's perspective on the Uni the Unicorn fiasco will be revealed because it is time for Below Deck Down Under baby Captain Jason hot as fuck the crew also hot as fuck but in a working class Bruce Springsteen way and the women of Salt Lake City expecting nothing but the best drinks to throw at each other. Mike, the deck stew, is ready to flirt. Before the women even arrive, Alessia, the sous chef, cries, unrelated but does not bode well. And Joe, the deckhand, has a family emergency and has to leave. So we're already short-staffed and emotional. When the ladies finally set sail, Daisy, the chief stew, is confused about room drama. Brittany says Jared is just not bet into her and she wants to hang out with Captain Jason. Bronwyn also says she's going to throw the unicorn overboard on day one. The crew loses a nipple cover. Stressful. Daisy's going through a lot right now. Also, they slow-mo repeat Angie's throw-up while cutting between a cheesecake being made under very tense circumstances. Tension between chef and sous-chef. Mary Cosby does say that the chef gets down, though, so that's high praise. Daisy is so confused by the seizure argument. The broken glass is throwing all the plans off the stern. It's only day one, and she's over it. That's what you missed. Oh, in the first episode. I love it. I love Below Deck. Me too. I obviously love My Ladies of Salt Lake City. I just it reminds me when they used to do like Beverly Hills crossovers with Vanderpump Rules and then it would be like you see this like nice dinner and the drama in Beverly Hills and then you get to see everybody who's waiting on that table and like Stoppy's iconic line of just like oh I hate rich people that's why I only date poor people like because it's just like the way that these requests are being made the second they get on the ship they're like can I get this cocktail and my Prada I'm going to bring like y'all put Dr. Pepper on the yacht right the nipple cover the nipple cover And that's being on the pager, like being like, hey, can everybody, if you see a nipple cover, send it my way. Nothing is pissing me off more than the sous chef. Oh. Say it more. When he's like, can you grab me something to put the chicken fingers on? Chicken fingers on or in? Yeah. What do you mean? A bowl? That was a good question. No, that was a good question. And don't piss me off. But hear me out. Sometimes you just have passion. As a very accomplished, sous chef. I'm all of them. I'm sous. I'm sous. Sous chef. Oh, boy. I know, yeah. Yeah. Go for it. She knows what she's talking about. I do. I get yelled at constantly. No, that's not it. I'm like, there's a mouse in the bench. And he's like, no, it's not. It's our rattling, broken air vent. Let's keep it on high. Nick, I do think you do have the perfect temperament to be a chef on below deck. Dare I say more? like it's like you're you have you have your charming aspect you have like the fun you you know what you're doing you have it under control but like you there is like a slight edge that is really going to keep it interesting when you have a sous chef that like i think i have one of the better not saying anything faces yeah which is kind of like what the actual fuck were you thinking and then it would cut to your confessional and it would be so mean and it would be perfect when she's like what was she doing and then she's like i don't know how to cook i just have a passion it was the cake when he said did you not add sugar and she's like put your instructions and then she just stopped i feel bad because it's like the last chef that she was under that was obviously like she also has a temper but like was able to like work with her and like knew where she was at because she wanted to be in the kitchen exactly where i'm like the way that she presented herself with ben who if you've watched ben has a temper ben is particular that i'm just like for you to say i have a passion for food sounds like somebody who can cook or like loves to cook at home but like maybe just wasn't technically trained like doesn't have like can maybe eyeball things but like doesn't know how everything is made and like no no the way that she said that yeah no i know she's when he said can you dress the salad and she said dress it in what i know i know that's where i was like okay or like not that but it was like bitch that one okay that one i can't defend i can defend the plate or the bowl but that one maybe she was doing a bit well because well what else do you do to a salad you dress it now she's now she's nervous yeah like at first i felt bad because it was like when she burned her hand and all that stuff he was just like it's not that hot it's not that big of a deal where it's just like a little compassion would be nice but then i was like oh to to literally have no skill whatsoever when it comes to cooking and no like common sense it's like you just you've been in i'm sure you've been in a kitchen you know dressing does go on a salad and then he's like are you that is that are you going to make those leaves smaller and she's like smaller bowl or no when he asked for uh medallion lemons and she cut wedges and i was like oh fuck when she said we don't have any black beans but no she said what do you mean we don't have black beans they're right here he goes says red those are red beans she's trying she's trying yeah i'm like but i feel like she'd be better suited maybe like we lost someone that had to like go with her family she could have like shifted over and then found someone else, right? I'm just confused at how she got brought on as a sous chef. You know what I'm confused about? What are you confused about? Why Heather guided Britney to flirt with more men. Because Heather is a producer in her own mind. But she also made it seem like as if she was like, oh my god, on Salt Lake City, it was like, oh my god, Britney. God, keep in the bar. Britney, you're flirting with everyone. Yeah, you're wild. And she's like, get with every man you see on this ship. You know, no one ever talks about how good of an actress Heather is. No, they don't. She's a screenwriter. Oh, yeah, she is a screenwriter. For sure. She's creating the plot, and she's making them all stick to it. She's uninvolved in it. And then Brittany just being like the little sister of the group, like even more so on this show where it was just like, I want this room. Your girl, you're getting kicked out, and Lisa and Meredith are having their luggage brought in, and then you get roomed with the one person that does not like you. What are some of the things you're hoping we see next episode that might reveal some unanswered questions we had from Salt Lake City? I want to see the state that they leave in. That's a big one for me. I want to see if they were, like, day drinking beforehand, which would make sense that the escalation of getting to the airport, having the one drink at the airport, could have gone a little overboard. I want to see them throwing the unicorn off the boat because Meredith said, if you look closely, I was not the one who actually threw it in the water. It was a produce. Well, she didn't specify. Nobody knows if someone did throw it in, produce it. Yeah, she fake threw it in. We also didn't see faces. We only saw the backs of the blow-up, like, animals or whatever they were. we saw everything up until the dinner where angie's like sick yeah yeah so there's a lot to still see i really want to know about this cucumber do you guys remember the cucumber i want to know more about the cucumber that she just bought it on the way to do a prank and forgot to put it into someone else's cucumber and i well in that vein i bet that um all of the all of the crew will be having a joy to talk about that cucumber one And Below Deck, too, it's like they always have, like, themed dinners every night. So, I'm like, we didn't see – a lot of Salt Lake City was just about, like, the women's dramas with each other, where I'm like, I feel like this one, like, kind of seeing things break down where it's like, okay, tonight's whatever. They had masks on the bed when the woman originally found the cucumber. So, I'm like, but we never saw those masks be used while they were on the ship. I also just want to know what interpersonal dynamics we had no idea was even happening when Salt Lake City was great. You know what I mean? And, like, Lisa is fighting and crying on the side of the boat. Like, I want to know, like, what romance drama behind the scenes the kids are going through. There was one of the crew members that was like, should I grab her? And they're like, no. Let her sit there. Yeah. I want to see, yeah, what the housewives don't have control over being shown on a show that's not theirs. That's what I'm curious to see. We'll find out. We'll find out. Episode 2, baby. All right. It's time to get into a little traitors. and we're going to get the help from former trader Carolyn, who was wreaking havoc in the castle last season. She joins us this season to break down all the shenanigans happening in the castle. Well, Carolyn, welcome back to the show. It's great to have you. Thank you. How are you? I just want to get something off my chest. Otherwise, I feel like I'm not going to really be able to do that as my authentic self, if that's okay. Yeah. I just, I was so orange for my reunion. And I just, I don't want to say I blame you, but I kind of do because I couldn't shower my spray tan off. And I had overdeveloped. And I just want to say I really, like, I was pissed at you for a while. Me specifically. Yeah. We thought about it. Because you came here right from the airport. Direct. Without a shower. And looked like an orange. You can't. Once you do a spray tan, like, it develops. It's done. But I did hear that you smelled good. I smelled like shit. No, thank you. Thank you. Like, I just needed to get that off there. I just was so damn orange, and I was so self-conscious of it. And I just remember thinking, like, stop being nice, Carolyn. Where does it get you? I just think it's really important and healthy to just clear the air. And congratulations on the pregnancy as well. Thank you. No, just talk your shit. But, like, I have not talked to you since, and so I just needed to clear the air. Thank you, Carolyn. And I'm sorry, and thank you. It's great to have you. Are you enjoying the seasons of Traitors? I enjoy every season because it's a good show. No, I love this show. I think that, like, it's impossible, like, to have a bad episode. It's great. I think that it's always crazy, though, towards the end. you get so many people where it's like I'm sorry but that Steve, I don't want to talk crap about that Steven, but has he even been there? I'd be pissed if I were him. I don't know if y'all know him or I didn't know his history or I don't really want, wasn't he Laguna Beach? Yes. I was like, he's not been on the screen at all, am I right? But it's a lot of quiet people left, I feel like. It is, yeah. Kristen. Eric. Eric. Steven. Steven. Rob. Well, even Rob is quiet. He's quiet, but he's a good narrator. He's doing stuff, and he's a traitor, so he's auto going to get screen time, and he's interesting enough, you know what I'm saying? I just feel like, and I know that with this show, it's the traitors. The traitors are going to get more screen time. I just feel like with the ones left, it's like they are quiet. So it's like times like this where you really do. You notice when, like, Michael was banished. You notice when Colton's murdered because it's like at the time you're kind of like, shut these people up. But then once they're gone, it's like it's quiet. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a lesson in reality TV in general that like sometimes be careful what you wish for. Because the fans, as I'm sure you know, will like speak up and they'll complain about some of the people who are the loudest and maybe obnoxious at a certain episode or not. But like you're right. As soon as they go, what's there left to watch? Or in a house, like, usually the attention then, well, like, now that Colton's gone, like, where's the attention going to go, you know? Exactly. And they're quiet. So, but it's great. How do you feel like Candace handled herself at the roundtable? She went in there, I'm sure. And I hate talking like this because it's, like, it's not like I won. So I'm kind of, like, learning to, like, shut the heck up at times because it's, like, my roundtable was awful. I'll, like, I'll own that. Like, she went in there, obviously, without having like the numbers or without talking to people. So it's like he got so far Rob in the game with having so many allies. She doesn't have the same amount of allies. You would assume that probably Dorinda might stick with her or Johnny and they vote against her. But it's like, I don't know what else she would have really said. He was he looked nervous. There was no evidence against Rob, you know, to be able to even come at him. It would have been better to go for somebody else, but too many people were piled on her. Yeah. I was about to say, I feel like she should have switched gears and maybe, like, put the heat back on someone they were already thinking like Natalie. Because there wasn't any evidence against her either, besides, like, you've been consistent this whole time and now you do a throwaway vote. Like, stupid. That's your, like, she's a traitor. Like, what? Well, I feel like Candace probably knew that her time was coming up, it felt like. I feel like the throwaway vote was her kiss to death. I give her a lot of props in the turret just because at that point, it's just like if you're going to go, go out with a bang. And I feel like her wanting to kill Colton, knowing that Colton was Rob's biggest ally, like it was definitely a choice. And maybe you could have said, oh, if she doesn't kill Colton, maybe she would have bought herself time. But I don't know. I felt like Rob was pretty committed, and I feel like Candace knew that. So if you're going to go, go out like the way she did. do the most damage on your way out. I felt like that was like, at least for the fans, everyone appreciated that murder. We were happy to see him go. And she went out with a bang. And I actually love her for it. And I just like, if you're going to go, go big. And she went big. I just don't feel like there was any way out for her anyways. There wasn't, but it's because he's got so many people. He's got so many allies. And so she clearly was playing like the faithful trait. Gosh, My voice sounds like a whore. Oh, oh. So she, I'm like, I'm loose. I yell a lot in real life. So she was playing like a faithful trader game. And for a while, I was like, wow, these traders are getting together. They're strategizing. This is what it looks like for them to get along. And then I found myself kind of being like, hey, I wish that they'd kind of fight. And then once they started to, like, dismantle, I was like, why can't they get along? So I've kind of come to the conclusion that I'll never be satisfied. but it was, I think that she was good TV. She was interesting. I feel like Rob is playing one of the best games we've seen on traders in a long time, whether he's a faithful or a trader. It's really been, not that I've ever played, and you have played, so I can say I have no notes. I know what it's like to be in the castle, but it seems really impressive. Oh, he took notes from you guys last season, right? Starting off, I want to set the expectation with the traders that we're a team, were a united front, but at the right time, he knew when to flip the switch. And it really seems to be all about timing. You really, you know, it's funny watching Rob play like chess with all his housemates or castlemates, whatever you want to call them. But he really is. He's thinking multiple steps ahead. He is planning his murders out, and it's really been impressive. And we were talking last week. I just don't see how he's not going to win this game because, you know, you saw Eric's reaction when he found out that Rob was a traitor. It's like he couldn't believe it. There's a sense of loyalty that these people have to Rob, you know, that's like seems deeper than just like game playing. And now he's like, I don't think anyone's going to turn on him, even if they start wondering if Rob's a traitor. No, the fact that after Candace came for Rob the way she did at the table and then stood up and said, I'm a traitor. And then Kristen and Eric are having the conversation of like, maybe it's just like someone. It can't be Rob. God, that sweet, sweet man. It just can't. None of y'all are like, hey, why did the traitor come so hard for Rob? They're acting as if, like, there's just no possible way the producers would ever knight him as a traitor, the sweet, sweet angel boy that he is. And it's just like, you know, it's possible because it's a game. Donna Kelsey, for example. Yeah. Like, sweet, sweet Donna Kelsey was a traitor. Like, I'm just like, why are we not seeing that? And he made a point to say when he was walking out, he was like, did she not think that I made relationships with everyone and talked to everybody? like that he's pretty much saying like I'm good with everyone here which I think should also be kind of like a red flag for a faithful I agree what do you think Carolyn I think he's doing really well and I think he there's I can't see a world where he does not win right now because of the relationships and that's something I failed at miserable girl but um because you really do you have to build like strong relationships with all these people and he's doing it but you see it i remember even with when nobody was talking to ron he was that person who was actually giving him the time of day and speaking with him and and it seemed real it seemed genuine so you i mean you can just see it he seems and he seems like i don't want to compare him to like other people from like past seasons but he does he seems like such a faithful so it's i can't see him not winning how does that i am curious when someone says oh he seems like such a faithful when you're inside the castle i know it's different when we're watching it back can you describe a faithful like in terms of how they speak in gameplay where like when someone is like oh he's playing such a faithful game what does that look like for example on my season towards the end it was like lord ivor that's a faithful or chrishell was another one where it was like she is off you could just tell by how she spoke how she genuinely just seemed like scared all the time and and nervous and it's just something that they give off I know I have a hard time explaining this it's uh or even like I feel like Kristen this season looks like a faithful same with uh Tara is another one and maybe it's due to her seeming you know a little clueless sometimes their fate like I can see Tara ever getting banished at the round table you know no one would vote for her You never heard her name you know But I also think a lot of people because you were a traitor I think a lot of people leading up to you being ousted, there was a lot of, like, oh, a lot of shock about finding out you were a traitor before. What was the energy that you were giving off that felt so faithful at the time? Just myself. And there's no way this weirdo could be a traitor, I think. truly like I feel like people just was like she's scatterbrained she's emotional she I think what a lot of people were saying was there's no way she would be able to do it she would tell everybody she would blurt it out she would so it's just me I guess being my self is is enough to be like ain't no way she could handle it did you lean into that like or did you come in with that self-awareness versus like I know what people are going to think about me. I know what is often said about me and I'm going to, you know, I'm going to lean into that and use that to my advantage. Absolutely. But it's like, I don't even need to lean into it. If I, if anything, I had to like turn it, like I had to like turn it down a little bit because I was coming out just so loud and so, so just confronting people before we had even picked the traders. And cause I truly just wanted to have fun. And I thought that this game was, was obviously it's campy it's fun it's so I wanted to just be loud and out there but then once you're picked obviously it gets scary it's like I don't want to be banished and I think that's what stinks about this game and you hear so many people say um because people will be like why aren't you louder at the round table why because you're afraid of getting banished it does I feel like this this game sometimes doesn't reward getting out a traitor and I love how the Canada version does so they get money added to the prize pot if they get out a traitor. And I think that that's smart. Otherwise, you have, you know, the people who keep their traitor angels around. I haven't really been seeing that this season, though, the traitor angel thing. And when you say traitor angel, is that like a faithful thinking they know who the traitor is, but keeping it to themselves and then protecting that traitor? Yes. And not voting them out. So, I mean, I think even Dylan knew that Boston, he had a pretty good idea that Boston Robb was a traitor. He had a pretty good understanding that Danielle was a traitor. But you wait till the end to get him out. Do you think we're going to see a stark difference in Eric if he accepts to join as a traitor? No. You don't think so? I don't. You think he'll be able to be like, I'm the same. I was shocked by this choice because, well, because in the past, you know, you want to bring somebody in that already has a little bit of heat. But heat, this is just telling me that Rob really genuinely wants to bring this person to the end and win with him. And that's what he said. And I'm like, wow. Because I could see both of them getting to the end and he actually wants to split the money. Versus I feel like I always have that thought of, like, whoever they bring into the turret, they're just going to screw over in the end. He's not thinking like that. But Eric, yeah, I feel like, again, another example of, like, he's so faithful. Yeah, he is. It'll be really interesting to see how Eric handles that type of pressure. Because you could see Eric getting into, you could see anyone getting into their head about, like, do they have to change something? But I feel like Eric's best move would be to try to change nothing, but it's probably easier said than done. But he's been pretty, I feel like he's been pretty calm. He's been pretty chill. what if now he's like super on edge? I could see that too. I could picture Rob turning on Eric. Not because for the money. No. If it was necessary. No. Oh, if it was necessary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Candace. It was necessary. With Lisa Renna, sorry. It was necessary. Yeah, I don't think at the end he would screw anyone over and like do what, you know, they did to MJ. Well, it brings up an interesting point. It is just a game and there's a lot of discourse online nowadays. And it seems... Caroline said no. All right, so tell us about that, Caroline, because, like, we, you're getting to the point in the game where, obviously, fans get connected to their favorite characters, and when they get voted off, we get a little upset, we get in the comments, and sometimes we lose sight that it is just a game. You have Candace, Rob's in the comments, literally being like, it's only a game, Candace. He said that in this episode. What is your take on that? Anybody who says it's just a game, I want to see your ass out there and see how you feel when you're in that castle. It's not, like you can say it's just a game of course it's just a game like we don't need I hate when people say that I really I do it because it's like when you're in it and I'm sorry some people can just look at people like chess pieces and not everybody can so whether it's right or wrong or it's an emotional game it's an emotionally charged game and we put we take a huge chunk of our lives and we put it into this castle and we leave our loved ones you know what i'm saying it's a big deal oh so for me she obviously came into candace obviously came into this game thinking or once she got chosen as a traitor i'm gonna play this loyal traitor game and i think that she was really surprised by it i think that she i feel like she handled herself so well and she could have done so much more to him and she's not so i hope we see it at the reunion yes i do because Yes, it's like he sure as heck didn't do anything to, like, help her out, which that's not his job to do anyway to an extent. So if her name was out there and everybody was saying it, but he also, he contributed to that as well. That makes sense. So you're kind of saying that, like, game or not, these people have a right to feel upset or feel slighted or feel like they got stabbed in the back because Rob literally did that, game or not, and they have a right to defend themselves. Let her go off. Yes. I believe that. Like, it's like, it's just, and that's the worst thing to say, too, especially after she's already on to you. You just told her that her name's everywhere. She's set up, you set her up with the Colton thing, and now you're going to be like, it's just a game. Shut, I'd be pissed. Whether he's playing great or not, this is emotional. Of course it is. How much conversations about the prize money is often discussed in the house? Who did we see earlier? It was Tiffany. And it touched me when she was like, I need this money. And it was like, and then she got voted out. And it was like hard for me to be like, did anyone not hear her? Were you just going to like kick her off right away? But like, does that get brought up in the castle? And is that used in either way to win over affection? Or is that coming from a place of sincerity for people? Like, how do you perceive those comments being talked about in the house? For the most part, people are so damn rich on this show. It's just us gamers that really are like the broke ones. Or is that offensive? We're the ones who are like the real people. Because come on, we're out there with housewives of people who are rich as hell. And so $200,000 or how much is it? $250,000? It's not this like substantial amount of money. And for me, even I'm not some rich ass person, but I still even looked at the prize money of like, yeah, that's great. But I would rather be on the show longer. You know what I'm saying? And ultimately win. But I don't on my season. Yes, of course, there were people who would talk about the prize money and really needing the money. I didn't do that. I really didn't. And I would say only a few did. And typically it's like the gamers. But, yeah, that did touch me because I feel like for the most part, there's so many people who have so much money and it's just not even looked at. It's not. So even I was surprised this season when they would talk about, like, well, this person can add money to the prize pot. I never even knew what the prize pot was up to because I was like, then you're splitting it. It's not a ton, you know. But I was proud of her for saying that because, honestly, you're out there with a room full of people that you feel and I can speak for myself and even just some of the other like gamer people that played where you just feel so out of place and in this world of like what are you even talking about I don't live like that you know what I'm saying it's a different world so I'm glad she just said that was like no I need this money because most of them probably they're not they're right wiping their butts with that so well said if rob doesn't win what will be his fatal mistake i can't see him at this point making a mistake i really can't i can't i don't know what he's possibly going to do and the reason i'm saying this is because he has so many people with him he's got the allies so at this point it's just about who am i going to screw over or eric possibly turning on him but i can't see eric doing that so he is may as well just give him the crown it's like honestly i can't even see who they're gonna try to pin the next round table on i mean that's just gonna say it's like i feel like they kind of are gonna have to take a different role though because right now it's been like kind of traitor on traitor yeah that's the only part that i feel like can correct me if i'm wrong carolyn this is like a pivotal time in the game speaking about like reality tv in general like like you said like even like if you're watching the bachelor right right the villain all of a sudden all the attention early weeks is all on this one person and then like the house kind of was like you suck you're you're not here for the right reasons you leave leave the house and then like the next week all of a sudden the attention turns on to someone else right because the attention always has to go to someone and because now candace is gone renna's gone she had all the they had all the attention on them the energy is going to have to shift to someone, and it's going to be kind of like, it's going to be a lot of, like, Colton style, where he's just throwing out names. I think, do you think Rob and Eric are going to also have to be, like, agents of chaos trying to, like, Well, a little bit, yeah. They're almost like they're going to have to start throwing out some names. Rob might as well just embrace the Colton role, which is just to, like, be the ringleader, kind of be in charge of, like, this kind of allyship that they have, and really start, like... My thing is that I'm, like, if Rob gets too comfortable, I feel like speaking up and whatnot, and, like, Johnny and a bunch of people who did talk to Candace do know that she was gunning for him, that I'm just, like, if he goes into a position of, like, a Colton and being loud in front, wouldn't that kind of also put him up on a chopping block? Because he hasn't played that way this whole time. Yeah, I'm curious, Carolyn, how would you, like, to Sierra's point, like, Rob said in the episode it's only a matter of time before they connect the dots, which I think is true, right? The fact that Candace did put Rob's name on there twice, if I'm part of the roundtable and we get a traitor right, I would always be curious, especially this far into the game. I would want to know, what name did that traitor put on their card, right? It's clear that the traitors, I don't know what you're allowed to say, Carolyn, but it seems clear that you guys have an extra set of rules as traitors. And it sounds like number one rule is to not out. You can't out your fellow traitors, but you can play the game. You can accuse them in the house. You can vote against them. That's the only power you have. and it always seems to be a part of the season where the traitors might turn on each other and I would just, if nothing else, would note that traitor and who they voted for. But I wonder if the friendship these all have will blind them to the fact that Rob's name has been on Candace's car two weeks in a row and that's not nothing. But look at what they all said right after she wrote the name. They were all brushing it off. So I don't see right now a world where all of a sudden And it's like, we better look at that. I don't right now. And it's not like there's that many episodes left. It does feel like a lot of people who are just on his side regardless. So I just don't, I don't. Call me like, I don't see it. He's got so many people. He has got so many people. So him writing or Dan is writing his name. So many people just brushed it off. If anything, Johnny, like Johnny's next. Johnny's next. Natalie is going to be soon after. She has no, or it seems like at this point, no real allies in the game or no really strong connection. So it's like she's essentially screwed, too. I love Tara. Tara was just like, you know, whoever Johnny tells me to vote for. She just, like, acknowledges it. Like, I'm just open for business. Marving, like, what about Johnny? And Tara's like, no. Well, then Rob also has the Jagger 6 or whatever. Oh, yeah, he has the two daggers, though. But he has the daggers, but his, like, his allies are, like, the people that took the pact with him to, like, not out who had the dagger. So he already has, like, those people as an alliance. Yep, he's winning. I mean, I just, I don't, he's been so even-keeled. He's been just so good at everything. Where is he going wrong? I don't see him just, like, getting emotional and slipping, or I don't see Eric. He sure as hell ain't going to turn on him, so they're good. I'd be shocked if they don't win, really. I agree. This has been fun, Carolyn. Thank you. Now, especially now that we're friends again. Sorry. No, I'm not sorry. Yeah, no, you're sorry. Thank you. Anything you want to plug before we let you go? No, I'm good right now. I'm not good with, like, go to this site or go to the... Well, what's your Instagram? Tell everyone on Instagram. So it's Carolyn Rose, but the O's are zeros. I need to change that. How do I do that? I think in settings. Usually I'll change username, maybe. I don't know. But you know what I'm saying with my name? Like, I have to say that every single time. Like, the O's are zeroes. People are like, what the hell? Yeah, back in, like, 2009. It has to be, like, Natalie Joy to end today. Like, I'll never care about this. Throw in a couple underscores. Yeah. Right, I'm actually hearing there. It sucks. But, no, thank you. You guys are doing a good job. It looks really, really pretty there, too. Something changed. I can't put my finger on it. It's a new building. It looks good. Yeah, it looks good. Great seeing you, Carolyn. You're the best. Bye. Bye. Bye. I love her so much. Should we get into some Beverly Hills? Listen, I'm going to try to defend Amanda a little bit here. Not because I'm not saying she is a flawless person without criticism, but here's what I, the whole scene where you have Dorit, Kyle, Dorit, and... At Kyle and Erica's birthday party? No. Was it Bo's there? Are you talking about the dinner or are you talking about the final scene? Like a little lunch? It was Rachel, Debris, and Sutton. And they were like, it was kind of giving me, it was just like, why, if Amanda's so bad, why are these women even wasting, I know they're making a TV show, but like the fact that they had to sit there and just like talk about this new woman on the show and just like, they were like looking for things to like, oh, like, are you supposed to say you're in a cult? Blah, blah, blah. Isn't that weird? to you like it's like to Amanda's point it's just like they're like oh we need to find out more about this person and then like this person literally is admitting they're in a cult like they're just they're putting it out there they're saying that the worst thing I could admit about myself is that I was in a cult and I'm gonna admit it and then they're having a lunch being like but she admitted she's in a cult there's got to be more like what it's like they're it's like they're trying too hard to bring Amanda down and I feel like they look bad doing it even though their their criticism might be valid and yeah manna says things that are annoying and like one-uppy and things like that but it's just like they're trying too hard to make her look bad i think it splits the crowd though because i feel like those women genuinely do feel that way like rachel's been kind of raising eyebrows left and right i'm surprised those wasn't a part of that um but i do feel like the unfortunate thing is that that is the reality sometimes the things that bond people together is a common enemy or somebody that you don't like and you're literally just watching a girls group chat at lunch where i'm like so it seems mean it seems the same way that we're like taylor swift can call someone a bitch and da da da where i'm like you're just watching that but it's just it's it's instead of it being in text on tv they're sitting down having a glass of wine and saying hey this person that we're forced to hang out with i don't like you don't like you don't like okay so why why is she rubbing us the wrong way and i'm just like yeah because it's an unnatural environment of where you're forced to hang out with somebody that you probably wouldn't fuck with on the regular yeah i think you're right nick i think the way that dorit brought it up shows that because they were at the table talking about nothing to do with it and she goes well you were in a cult right yeah and it's kind of like you were waiting to bring that up at some point kind of like that's if that was also it's also that's such a weird gotcha you know what i mean well because her story reads is this like i got caught up in this weird group kind of religious aspects yeah and then i kind of realized they were like i i was in a cult which is like a kind of an empowering thing and most people stuck in these cult-like groups don't realize it, don't get themselves out of it and yet this is being spun as something that's still negative about her and there must be more darkness or shady things about her because she was someone who once joined a cult. I mean, Bo's, oh my god, Bo's is never wrong. She's literally never been wrong in her entire life. But her being like, you expect everyone to respond in a way that is acceptable to you? Like, how are you going to enforce that? Girlie, you're on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Can I purchase this on the Manifest in the Money? My thing with that, how I took Bo saying that was her being like, girl, we are on Housewives. You want people to have a calm conversation with you? Our job is to verbally accost each other. Give me a break. I think in Amanda's perfect world, when she prompted during that dinner, she's like, do you want to go somewhere else and talk about it? And it was like, no, I'll talk about it right here. Good and great. Like, I feel like that to her was kind of like you're making it a public spectacle. And therefore, it's like with raising your voice or making an accusation at me, that's no longer making me feel safe, which like I get. But however, to Bo's point, you're on a TV show for Bravo that is about housewives verbally accosting each other. And two, no one's going to present something when they're angry with you in a way that's going to make you feel comfortable to discuss it. You also have the ability to pick up the phone and say, hey, let's meet up for coffee. Hey, I don't want to continue this. But it's like you can't call somebody childish in the way that they choose to bring something up, but then also not give another solution as to how to solve it. Yeah. And also her punting it to Kyle was so strange. I thought that was an iconic dinner. I was like, take the torch, Kyle, and then Erica chiming in being like, come on, Dorit. No. Erica's sitting there quiet the whole time. And then Dorit says, okay, can you shut up for one second? And Erica's like, that was too far. But that is Erica. That's Erica's thing, though. Erica was always the person that was, like, handled this respectfully, and she'll let you fight your war. And then she'll be like, okay, well, that was. It's also Erica's birthday. And Dorit's birthday. It's Dorit's birthday, too, but I'm just like, it's Erica's birthday as well. And she's like, come on, you guys. No, Dorit, when she said. Yeah. I was like, okay, we've become children. I'm sorry. We lost the plot of the argument, but I love it. My thing with the Kyle and Dorit stuff is I'm just like, I don't care anymore. Like, yeah, just kiss it. I mean, yeah, but it's just obviously Kyle's divorce experience is different than Dorita's divorce experience. And they just need to both like get over their shit because I don't care. And I would like a new storyline that doesn't involve PK. But I do need Kyle to start being like, I don't know. I haven't talked to Mo about that. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Mo and I have not had those conversations. I don't know what PK is saying. But Kyle continuously is like, PK's saying something different. I don't know. PK is telling Moe the complete opposite. She's still friends with him, clearly. You are putting yourself in there. No, but you can't. Yeah, to that point, you can't. How could you be friends with Kyle if you're the lead? I agree. I just, like, am sick of it. I just need Kyle to stop doing it. If there's ever a time you need your girls or your friends to rally around you, it's going through a very messy divorce where your former partner, the person who you thought you were teammates with, you raised children with, are now making moves that feel like an attack on you and your family. And, yeah, Kyle's like, but I've heard. It's like, you know, one of the most frustrating things someone can say to you when they're, like, making an argument was, like, just, you know, other people are saying that. You know, like, stuff like that where you kind of speak for other people. Like, you know more that they don't. That's not what I heard. It's not what I heard. It just mentally fucks with you. And like the reach fragile state of mind and very fragile time to like not be entirely sure if Kyle is on your side. And yeah, and because Kyle, Kyle has like what the dream divorce, it seems like. I don't want to like I don't know what it's like to be in Kyle's shoes. I understand that divorce is what we see on TV. Kyle has... What we see is she still has this very respectful, very beautiful relationship with her still husband, who still values the family, who still, like, Moe's... Whatever he's doing on the side, the fact that he's DJing now is wild. Oh, my God. I was going to wait. I was going to wait. What? He made momentum. That was wild. Moments? I'm done. I'm done. What is... So, the new midlife crisis, I'm convinced, is instead of buying a Corvette or a sports car, now you'll just get a fucking tape deck and fucking... Now you're a DJ. That's the thing. that Kyle's biggest problem in this divorce is her ex-husband, I guess legally, whatever, is DJing. And still willing to make fun of himself. And he can roll his eyes at himself. And his daughters can give him shit. And they can still come together as a family. Meanwhile, PK's trying to it must feel to Dorit that he's trying to destroy her. And anytime Kyle suggests that she's heard something different or that she doesn't totally believe Dorit must be so, like, infuriating and just, like, honestly feel like she's not my friend. I do wonder, too, where I'm, like, I kind of feel like Dorit has a little bit of, not, like, not jealousy, which is what I'm looking for, but, like, in a sense of, like, she feels like Kyle could never, in resentment, maybe, because Kyle can't put herself in Dorit's shoes because she doesn't have an experience of divorce like that. She can't, and she's not trying to, either. Exactly, but I'm, like, because that's the thing where I'm, like, I don't think that the advice that Kyle gave was wrong or bad by any means that it's like at the end of the day, we've watched it happen with Erica with the, with her lawsuit that it's like they will go back and they will, they can take things out of context. And if you're sitting here saying that he's a terrible father and all that stuff and he can prove otherwise, what does that mean for your custody? Like, so it's like for what Kyle's saying is not bad advice. It's how she's going about it. And when she's trying to present it, which I'm just like the amount of boring, yeah, the amount of boring scenes I get of one-on-one fucking housewives conversations why can't this be one of them yeah because that one would actually be worth watching and make sense being like hey i'm coming to you because like i love you and i care about you and i know that we've been estranged and it's hard to like hear what i'm saying because i'm not in your shoes but i'm saying this because i care about you but when it seems like you're going to amanda amanda francis of all people who knows her the least and talking to other cast members about it then it doesn't come off as genuine when you say it at the dinner table but it also does make sense as to why she accepts it coming from Bose versus Kyle. Exactly. Oh, that was a great flashback. She's like, mm-hmm, yeah. But, yeah, it is coming from all she, it seems like all she wants to hear from Kyle is. Like, I hear you, I see you, and I'm sorry that this is happening to you, and, like, I wish that he could stop. I wish he would stop. Yeah, yeah. With the Kyle and Amanda stuff specific, whoa, Kyle and Amanda, Kyle and Amanda. Sorry. The Bravo crossover is universal. Anyway, well, with Beverly Hills, Kyle, and Amanda, Crystal actually on Humblebrag was saying something interesting, which was that Kyle just wants a good show. And so in her perspective, so when I was watching Beverly Hills after listening to that episode, I was like, huh, the way Kyle kind of works to read is very much there is a potential that it's like she's continuing this narrative about PK to make a show. versus to be there for a friend. I don't know. Could be. If I got invited to guest DJ, would you support that? No. What's on your playlist? No. Because you have to practice. Okay? You can't just show up and, like, know how to work a turntable. You're also about to have children. What if it was just, I have always had a dream. Have you had a dream? I'm sorry. You should have chased that earlier in life. There's got to be a list, right? There's got to be a list of, like, a bucket list of things we haven't accomplished yet. Like, maybe we put that one down in like a little... Do you have a gut dream to be a DJ? No. Do you think... Did you ever think it was cool? Do you think Moe would ever open for Kyle? Since Kyle got to start first? I don't know. I feel like BravoCon... DivorceCon? I'm DivorceCon? DivorceCon? Oh, they would, too. It would be like BravoCon Day 2, DJ Moe at 9.30 a.m. Just so you know, all the DJ sets start at 9.30 a.m. at BravoCon. Oh, my God. So early. People are getting hype for DJ Dorinda Medley. Way too late, though. And then Kyle's was at 1.30 a.m., which also checks out. Yeah, of course. He was like, I don't want the morning. I don't. BravoCon? No, no, no. Like, I can be in bed and eat the time. Yeah, Moe and Kyle can do day shift, night shift. There you go. There we go. I don't know. I was out there at night, too. Yeah, sure. I'd go. I'd watch. I'd support. You'd be in the streets. I would support, too, yeah. Yeah. I'll be at home, in bed, asleep. All right. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Get ready for a very exciting Going Deeper, where we announce the next three farmers for Farmer Wants a Wife. That is tomorrow. Do not miss that episode. It is your chance to meet some very charming, very sexy farmers who are looking for love. Until then, do not forget to sign up for Vile Files Plus or buy some tickets for the Netflix is a Joke live event with yours, Truly the Vile Files and the cast of Temptation Island. Those tickets are now available in the link in bio. Thank you to our guests, Carolyn from Traders and Jesse Metcalf. We appreciate them joining the show. We appreciate you guys listening. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye-bye.