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Listen to Boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote. I'm Melissa Malbrose. Today we're going to be talking about nuns teaching sex ed, my experience with jury duty, whether or not we can say the word squinty groundhog day conspiracy theories the protests in minnesota don lemon epstein files federal judges blocking trump's agenda and all of the questions from your dms especially when i have to record and stuff like that like i don't i'm like i don't know how long i'm gonna be there i don't know if i'm gonna eat i don't know what's gonna go down but i know i'm i know an address i need to go to in an hour you know by the way michael's Brief recess sticker also has the lines on the back. Oh, yeah. But you can't see it because his is black. Yeah. And I thought the lines were there on the... Thank you. Vindication is mine. Because for a second I was like, am I just a dud? Melissa thought there are lines on our logos for our laptops. And I thought they were just like how it was printed for like the graphic designer put them there so that we knew to like line them up correctly. But it was part of the design. Is it or is it not? It is. It is not. It's not? It's not. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. i like it oh my god this is cute was i supposed to take those off apparently oh okay it's like when i was eating um i was like eating the paper on like a candy or something that you're supposed to take off what kind of candy was it it's like a noun later i gotta ask brad i was eating the wrapper and they were like you're not supposed to do that they're like don't do that don't do that So I don't know. I guess now if I get a colonoscopy, they're going to see the Werther's wrapper. Not Werther's. Not the Werther's thing. With the shiny wrap on it. How are you doing? How has your week been? Fine. It's a totally random thing. Okay. No, no, no. It's fine. It's fine. It's such a stupid thing. But me and my friends are usually those who are at a similar age, been talking a lot about weird things that we're doing now that we're getting older, right? Like for anti-aging or like you're losing your mind and wandering the house. Yeah. Oh, that's happening to my dog. Sorry, not to your superstition. You go ahead. No, no, no, no. But like, so the other day I was talking to my friend and she was saying something about herself that she was just like, my grandmother used to do this thing. And I was just like, yeah, the other day I reached into my purse and there was a random Werther's candy in there. Like you turn 50 and you open your purse and there's a Werther's. But the thing about it was I opened my bag and I was like, where did that come from? Because I don't remember where I got it from. But then I was just like, oh, well, it's a tasty candy. Munch, munch. Munch, munch. I will say as I get older, you do just start finding things places. I'm like, where'd this matchbook come from? Well, matchbook. Where'd the matchbook come from? Well, I guess it's listed on the matchbook. It says exactly where it came from. Unless it came from Tony and Tina's wedding. Back in the day, they used to win. like yeah when you went to a wedding you got matchbooks what do they do now vapes do you get like a jewel when you you know my brother and sister-in-law went to a wedding and the the giveaway was marijuana like everyone got like a pre-roll oh i love that i love drugs when we got married we didn't do giveaways we made a donation in everyone's name to like a tree planting oh I was going to say you could like donate drugs. That's nice too. No. Okay. I can't remember. I come from a family where marijuana and crack are the same. So I can't. Speaking of that. Oh my God. I have to show it to you. I'll give it to CJ. But like, so I posted the clip from last week's episode where Melissa is just a refresher. Melissa's mother thinks crack and marijuana are basically the same thing. It is not just my mother. It's a lot of Haitian families. And also members of diaspora. A lot of immigrant families DMed me and said. Yes. I had like a handful of Nigerians, some Kenyans, some Jamaicans who were like, for sure. But the best was like one of my aunts. She like texted on my Instagram. She was like, isn't it? I was like, that's it. Not a spreading misinformation. She was like, isn't it? And I was just like, it's not. Oh, no. I know. And now we've got to now we really I guess we really have to make it clear to people. Marijuana. Yeah. And crack cocaine are not the same where no matter where you're from. One is great. The other one might be the end of you. Could get you in a lot of trouble. Could get you into a lot of trouble. My health teacher, I had a really fucked up health teacher in high school, and she taught us like too much about the drug. She was like, OK, so this is how you roll. This is how like this is how people usually smoke crack. And she was like, this is what you want to be on the lookout for. But in retrospect, I'm like. I feel like she was giving you a tutorial. Yeah. Or like going down memory lane back one day when I used to smoke crack. This is how I did it. Yeah. And I was talking of reliving this with my friend from high school. And we were like, wait a minute. Didn't she also work in the cafeteria? We're not. And now I'm pretty sure I don't. She might not have been a health teacher. I think we need to go back a little bit. Your health teacher was also a cafeteria worker? Yeah. Was she like a nutritionist or a dietician? I'm not totally sure, but she definitely worked the line. Like scooping out? Yeah. Interesting. There is... I should really look into this. I think that you should. And is that where the tax dollars were going to work? What was going on in your town, in your province? And why do I know how to roll a killer joint? In high school, I went to an all-girl Catholic high school. And our teacher who also taught us sex ed was a nun. And I remember all of us sitting there, Sister Therese, and we were just like, I don't know that she knows what she's talking about. There was like that general feeling. What is that saying? Those who can't do, teach. They said, bust out the virgin. She's teaching sex ed. Give her a mic. Shout out to St. Agnes. She closed. Give her a pack of chalk and get in there. Oh, my God. That's so funny. That's really funny. A nun that's teaching sex ed. Yeah. And this part I understand, right? We were probably 16 years old. So she's sitting in front of a classroom full of giggling 16-year-old girls, snickering and everything. And she was like, girls, we're going to take this very seriously. And she got out the book. But then she would also like circle it back around to the Bible. It was fucked up. And then just, you know, and just walking out of that room being like, I have learned less than nothing. Was there like a certain moment when you realized y'all knew more about sex than she did? Were you like, no, no, no, no, Sister Agnes, this is how you actually do it. Not Sister Agnes. What was her name? Sister Therese. I went to St. Agnes. Oh, this is at St. Agnes. Okay, cool. Yeah, I think just walking away from that, feeling like this person has no concept of what's actually going on. Also, if you're teaching contraception and you've taken a vow of chastity, the stakes are really low for you. Very low. So I feel like you're maybe not that invested in making sure. I mean, the overarching message was abstinence. Right. Right. Which worked famously well for me. in high school i mean voted most likely to slut it up also did you oh yeah with who i won't say his his full name okay actually i'm not going to say his name at all for to protect to protect everyone to protect the innocent and the guilty and the guilty and the guilty let's get into sidebar let's just do like a quick what's going on in our week this week oh i haven't seen you since i went to jury duty right when i and i knew that you would not get it okay but let me tell you something okay not only was i not picked for a jury so first of all i get there and they're all giggling because the clerks know me at criminal court so they're like michael are you lost are you serious you stupid bitch what are you doing here and so like no i actually have jury duty. And now they're laughing. Sure. They're like, oh my God. And so now we're like kiki and yakking it up. They picked me. I got called because it was right after the blizzard in New York. So court had been canceled the day before. So it was like a crush of jurors because they can't mail out the little thing fast enough to update everyone not to come. So it was like two days worth of people in the room. So only a couple of people got called and I was one of them. And once they figured out I was an attorney, you were right. They did. The lawyers on the trial were like, get this guy out of here. Of course. And I, of course, had like 20 conflicts. Like I had court that morning. I had to get an adjournment. I had court the next day. So there was no way I could actually feasibly sit on a jury. But then they made me sit there all day. Why? It was my service. Your service ends at 5 p.m. So even if you're not picked, you take your they say you're excused and you go back and you put your card back in the basket because you can get called again. I am really appalled that we're still using a card in a basket method. Like, honestly, that's so fucking stupid. It pisses me off. And also, I'm irritated on your behalf, and God forbid I get called to jury duty, that you now have to sit there all day. Yes. Yeah. And it was me, and they do it based off your voter registration. So it was me and like a lot of Zillennials because they all registered to vote for Mom Donnie. So it was a lot of the Mom Donnie Gen Zers and me hanging out all day at jury duty. It was actually kind of fun. I was chatting with a few folks, but. It just seems like a waste of everyone's time. Oh, for sure. Yeah, definitely. You know, you don't want me. It's weird. It's like the boyfriend who keeps you on the day. It's like when I was dating women. When were you dating women? Well, like when I had like a beard or like a girlfriend. And in like in like the ninth grade. OK, I was I played soccer. That's that's not the problem. You you playing soccer, being a sporty guy is not the problem. Sorry. I love I was like, no, no, no. I was so straight. I played soccer. But wait, did you watch heated rivalry? Speaking of gays and sports. Sorry. No, you didn't watch it at all. No. So wait. OK, so then you have to tell me what you think it is. I think I only heard about this show because it's very popular in Russia, right? Which is unusual. Oh, I actually didn't even know that. So please, you're interviewing me. Oh, yeah, that's how I heard about it, right? Okay. So apparently, like, the most streamed show in Russia is Heated Rivalry. And they're all getting it sort of illegally because- Yeah, it's probably censored, right? It is censored, but they're all watching it. Yeah, you can't be cracking dudes in Russia, I don't think. No, you're not. You're not allowed to. So and then I looked into it to see what it was. And apparently, is it hockey? Yes. So it's like gay hockey? It's yeah. OK. It's basic. It's more gay than hockey. They're on the ice, I think, for maybe 30 seconds for the entire show. The illusion of hockey. The rest of the time. I don't think they could like I don't think they could even get the space to film on the ice. They did it. I think they were on the ice like once or twice for the whole show based. It's a Canadian show. It's a Canadian show. OK. But now it's gotten so popular. And this came out months ago. It's gotten so popular. They're doing lookalike contests for the two guys, the two main guys. So in New York this weekend, there were multiple Ilya and Shane lookalike contests. Let me tell you what the crowds. They pick the two finalists and the crowd starts chanting. Kiss, kiss, kiss. do they just start going to town in the middle of like tompkin square it was so funny why do we need you know whatever i i instantly got annoyed when you said now there's it's so popular that we need a lookalike yeah for what just for shits and giggles i think it's like let's just get a bunch of hot guys into the park and make them make out are the two guys in it hot yeah oh yeah everyone and it is beautiful. And they're like, you know, it's hard to be hideous when you're, what, 24 and an actor like he's adorable. That's not true. It's not hard to be. I mean, some people. Oh, OK. Melissa catching in real time. Yeah. Oh, man. OK, let's go live on the scene to Tompkins Square Park where two men are just still going to town on each other. They didn't know it ended. They're still doing it. Good for them. Let's get into your algorithm showing what is going on in your feed this week. What are you seeing? What is all over your. I think I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff that I've been seeing. So still a ton of ice stuff. I've been looking into volunteering opportunities. So I'm seeing a lot of that stuff. I'm still getting a lot of plastic surgery stuff. And I, oh, I actually want to tell you this. So the thing about when you start engaging with that stuff, you get all kinds of things, right? So not only am I getting like doctors performing plastic surgery, I'm also getting either like cosmetic nurses or people who are really into cosmetic surgery doing before and afters of people, right? Famous people. So they'll say- Oh, they'll do like a breakdown. Right. So they'll be like, whatever. It'll be like Bradley Cooper's forehead. Right. And it'll be like Bradley before, Bradley afterwards. That's a real one. You should look that up. I mean, whatever, right? So I was talking to a friend of mine about this and I was like, You know, one of the things that I keep on seeing is that the men especially, like when they're getting the plastic surgery done, at the end of it, they're looking very squinty. Like they're squinting all the time. Like that's like this look that I'm noticing. So my friend was like. Is it because there's like fillers and it's like crowding the eye? I don't know if they're not doing enough or they're doing too much of something. Like I'm not sure what it is, right? Because like the filled cheek is different. The migrating fillers. Right. So now they're like, everyone is like squinting. Like they forgot their glasses. Right. So I said to my friend, I'm like, why is everybody looking so squinty? And she was like, Melissa, you can't. I don't think you can say that. And I was like, I can't say squinty. And I was like, why not? Like, when did squint? When did squinting become? I love when the being woke crosses over so far that like the woke thing is now not woke anymore. Right. The snake eats itself. But I was like genuinely aghast. You're like ready for the correction. You're like, let's correct the record. And she was like, well, isn't it? It's like alluding to somebody like, sorry, I don't even know how to say this, like looking Asian. And I was just like, so now I'm Googling. Right. Am I allowed to say squinting? It's like when my waiter described my dessert as fruity. How dare you, sir? But I was like really upset. And I was just like, I don't think that's a real thing. And she's like, I think it is a real thing. So now we're going back and forth. So now we're fighting over who's offensive. But I was like, and I was like, is this where we are? Oh my God. That now like saying that somebody looks squinty is potentially really. And listen, listen. And we've derailed the entire night. And now we're fighting about identity politics. My brain was spinning. Yeah. And now I'm asking the good people. It's the fabric of the identity politics. It's the fabric of society. And we don't know if the fabric is, you know, made humanely. Was it? How was it loomed? How was it loomed? Where do we get the fabric from? My friend last. OK, so today is ground. We're recording on Groundhog Day. Yep. My friend and I descended into absolute chaos last night. We went down a deep rabbit hole about Groundhog Day. First of all, did you were do you remember when Bill de Blasio killed that fucking groundhog? No, I did not remember. Oh, my God. Do you remember that? I remember it. It was 2014. And last night, so much has happened in the news. This is what we're concentrating on. The fucking groundhog. I forgot that Bill de Blasio yeeted a groundhog at on Staten Island. So not Phil. Ponsatucky Phil. No, that's the one in Philly. That's the one in Philly. So this one is Chuck. And so I've done, I am, I'm a Bobert truther, but I'm also a de Blasio truther. You need to get off that. Interesting choice of words. You know, I do what I can. Go ahead. It wasn't Chuck. Chuck is the, is the groundhog. So there are four groundhogs at the zoo. At the Staten Island Zoo? Yes. And because groundhogs are, I'm sorry, what? Was that some anti-Staten Island? Okay, do it, do it. I love it, I love it. I won't, I won't, I won't. Nothing good happens in Staten Island. Like practically New Jersey. I think that's okay to say. I agree. And I think people on Staten Island would agree. I'm okay with that. But yeah there are four groundhogs on Staten Island Do they rotate them out for Groundhog Day Yes because they technically supposed to be hibernating Yeah So now you woken They wake them up and see who like the least vicious because it usually most of them Right. So they pick whoever's the least vicious. And the year before de Blasio, it bit Michael Bloomberg because it was so mad. I'd be mad too if you woke me up. I don't even hibernate. And so they woke this one up and it bit Michael Bloomberg. And so this wasn't Chuck. This was Charlotte, Chuck's daughter. So they're all like descendants of Chuck. I guess the original. You did a really deep dive on this. And I'm not even. We're just scratching the surface. Please continue. So they had gloves on Mayor de Blasio because it had bitten Michael Bloomberg recently. And they didn't want him getting bit. So the gloves were too big. So he dropped Charlotte. And then a week or two later, Charlotte turned up dead in her pen. But why is that his fault? They did a necropsy on Charlotte. Okay. And she died of internal injuries. From being dropped. Consistent with a fall. So this was the entire inspiration for the film Anatomy of a Fall. No, it wasn't. Please don't. Your aunt's going to comment and say, was it really? Yeah. Yeah, it was. No. crack and weed are the same. And Anatomy of All is about a groundhog. I'm reading this quote from Bill de Blasio. Don't make me hold a fucking groundhog. I mean, what the hell? Let me tell you exactly what happened. I go there and it's seven in the morning, which means my motor skills are not at their best. I put these gloves on and they're like, here's a groundhog. And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, don't you have a little more coaching to go with this or whatever? It was idiocy. Why would you want an elected official to hold a groundhog. I don't know anything about holding groundhogs. So the whole thing is just insane. There's an original sin here. Don't hand someone a groundhog. Oh my God. Only trained groundhog holders. Do you squeeze it really tight? I mean, what do you do? So I'm like, talk about a lack of advanced work. That is... Oh my God, I'm crying. the Times quote, the opening the article was, her shadow was one of the last things she saw. If PETA isn't mad at us about your furs, they're going to be mad at us now. I actually feel bad because Charlotte was really cute. I'm looking at photos last night and I got kind of emotional. Do you think those animals are cute? I think Charlotte was cute and fat. She was really cute. I don't like animals like that. I don't want anything bad to happen to them. I don't want anybody to mess with them. It's not like a rat to me. This is definitely a step up from a rat and a squirrel. Technically, genetically, they're closer to a squirrel. Yeah, no, I did hear that. You heard that? This morning. This morning I heard that. St. Agnes' on NPR, actually. So did I ever tell you when I first started dating Andre? We were getting to know each other. Wait. No, no, no, no, no. It's relevant. And do you have any pets? Whatever. And I had a cat at the time. I've always had a cat. And he was just like, yeah, I have a guinea pig. And I was like, and I was like, you know what? When I had broken up with my last long-term relationship, I literally sent a prayer up to the Lord. And I said, God, please send me a man that is the absolute opposite of this last guy. I need someone completely different. The last guy had a gerbil. No. God was like, F this woman. You know, I wanted to do all these, but I did not say, please don't let him have weird pets. Right. And then I'm thinking to myself, what kind of a grown ass man has a guinea pig? And the guinea pig's name was Giggles. And I think he heard it in my voice. The desire just plummeting. And then he said, I feel like I should tell you that the guinea pig really belongs to my 11 year old daughter. who wanted a pet at his house and at her mom's house. Men cannot be helped. The way he said, I have a guinea pig, he said, I have a guinea pig. He said, I have a guinea pig. Not right. Not until I was just like, what? And then he was just like, actually, it's KP's and whatever. And I was like, oh, okay. Which made all the difference in the world. Brad does this. He'll be like, we have a huge emergency. And as someone who literally deals with life and death situations at work, you can't lead with that. you've got to be like the groceries weren't delivered it's a huge emergency yeah lead with dire it's dire i literally have actual emergencies sometimes it's not that it's an emergency we've got to dust the bookshelf is it anyway charlotte the groundhog died and the death wasn't disclosed right away by the zoo because she died a week later right and they didn't tell the mayor's office conspiracy theorists believe it was because the mayor's office gives the zoo 3.5 million dollars a year in funding so they were like this is a pure nightmare there was a potential cover-up i in my mind now i'm imagining like an intern going to the goldfish store to get the goldfish that looks like the fish to swap it out so no one notices and because there was this delay the the media jumped on it and we're all over it because there was a lot of like PR hand wringing. A FOIA request was submitted. I love it. I love it. Someone tell people what FOIA is. They may not know a FOIA is a freedom. It's a freedom of information act. So it's a request that you submit to the government to basically subpoena their emails or records around something that is of the public interest. Correct. So this is so stupid. It's so stupid. And there are way more important headlines right now. But it was Groundhog Day. And it did remind me of how insane this tradition is. And also, Chuck the Groundhog today said there's going to be six more weeks of winter. Lovely. And he has about an 80% success rate in predicting it. But the very famous one. Does not. He's terrible at it. 50-50. Yeah. So I don't know. The whole thing is stupid. I'm a groundhog truther, and I'm willing to go on the record and say that. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. no voicing of any skepticism or doubt it'll cause so much harm at every single level of the british establishment of this is wrong listen to doubt the case of lucy letby on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts this season on dear chelsea with me chelsea handler we've got some incredible guests like kumail nanjiani let's start with your cat how is she She is not with a thing. Okay, great, great, great way to start. So this is a great beginning and hopefully you'll be able to, I don't know, maybe you will cry. Amanda Seyfried. Life is so short. If you feel something like that, you have that fire in you for this experience. It's not for a guy. It's for the experience of being in love and like it's bigger than a guy. Elizabeth Olsen. I love swimming naked so much. And I know you love taking pictures of yourself naked. Yes, I love to be naked. I just want to be in my brown underwear all the time. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl? Oh, my God. All the time. That's so funny. I know. So I'm always like, hi. I try to butch it up for kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like Dora's Day. Right? No, I turn into Bea Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Under Oath. Let's talk about like what's happening in the headlines, what's happening in the news. Lots. Yeah. A lot is happening. A lot happened last week. A lot is still happening. I mean, I feel like just since the beginning of the year, it's been one thing after another. My DMs have been filled with people who are just like fatigued. And I always try when I make a video, I'm like, have there be like a tip or something of like something you can do or like some sort of hope core. Like I made a video about how there's no statute of limitations on murder in America. So if ICE officers murder someone, they can still be held accountable under a new administration. And people really responded well to that. Yeah. I mean, sure. I think I just hate that that's the silver lining. Right. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? I mean, the information is- The silver lining's looking dingier and dingier every day. Yeah. But it is- It's looking like tinfoil. Yes. Yeah. But the general fatigue and malaise, the exhaustion of the constant news cycle, for sure. It's hard to really get up that energy. But with everything that's happening with ICE and all of the constant constitutional violations and then having to go to court, I personally have been really – I'm searching for the right word because I don't want to sound like I'm having this joyous time. But I will say that I've been really heartened by the protesters in Minnesota. Yeah. That has really been moving and it feels substantial to me. So when I see them protesting, when I see them so organized. Yeah. And I see the real motivation and fight that people have. That feels really motivating to me to continue to do my work because when we care so much about something, it's clear that we all love each other and we love this country and like the parts of it that we call home and our communities. So when we're fighting for it, we're fighting because we care. We're fighting because we care about each other. Yeah. And we care about our community. So that to me, I've been able to really see that as like a whoa. I didn't realize how much we all really cared about each other. That has been so moving to me. I will say that, you know, I said this to you and I've been saying it to other people. I never in my life felt this overwhelming need to be patriotic towards the United States. I was born in this country. I live here, obviously. I reap the benefits of having grown up here. But I never really thought about it that much. I think because especially culturally, I identify so much with being Haitian that that's usually where my brain goes. But more and more, I'm so outraged and anxious and angry about what's happening that I do feel all of a sudden like, yeah, you know what? this is my country and I want to do what I can do to help her stay the course. Right. Exactly. So I hear what you're saying about, sorry, you just squinted at me. Oh my God. No. I'm sorry. Anyway, now I can't look at you anymore if you're going to do that. No, but, but, but all, but all kidding aside, like I do feel like I hear what you're saying. It is heartening to see that people are focused and they're paying attention and they are also upset. And, you know, when you you can make a difference from where you sit. Right. And like there's like a learning curve, obviously, but you could you could do all those things. It was a lot harder for me to wake up and be an immigration lawyer every day when people when I would turn on the news and see things happening and people weren't doing anything about it. It was a lot harder because it felt like I was the only person. And I, of course, know that's not true. That's a feeling, not a fact. Right. But when I then turn on the news and I see thousands of people protesting, thousands of people going on a general strike for a cause that I've really been working for a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, whoa, like, hell yeah. Like, I'm energized by it. It does make you feel better. Yeah. I guess what I just to like wrap that thought up, I would just say that I'm like constantly inspired by other people in this movement. Yeah. And watching like the next gen kind of get involved. I got asked by a reporter this morning, like, how do you keep doing this? Like, what really sustains you? Like, what would be your sort of like message? And for me, I'm like, I think we're able to affect more change as a democracy now because of the internet, because there are so many people online accessing videos, able to see what's happening. We have activists going live from the scene. Like we have so much information that can often feel overwhelming and exhausting. And it is. But I think we're able to actually better serve causes and affect change because of it. We're able to have an 18 year old in the middle of the country contact an immigration lawyer across the country or talk to you or talk to an activist organization in L.A. Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting and a unique situation we're in. There have been some like really interesting. Have you been following like Christine Ohms? The tides finally turned on. The slow. They're finally turning on her. I mean, it took long enough. And here's the thing there. And I really wonder if they realize it when these people, sort of people who are part of the MAGA movement, right? Do you realize that the president of the United States does not have your back at all? Oh, yeah. And I mean, and what's really interesting about that is that it seems to me that all of the people who are vying for his attention, the people that he is surrounding himself with, they don't seem to know, understand that. Meanwhile, I sitting at home, I'm like, he doesn't give a shit about you. And he will throw you under the bus, toss you to the wolves. Yes. In an instant. The first Trump administration. Do you remember that rotating, revolving door of names? Every week it was like, what, who, it was like, what did I say? It was like Papadopoulos. Do you remember? Like, it was like these names every week. It was like, and this person got fired. Remember that guy who was, he was, I think he, I can't remember what his role was, but he was in the job for a week. Yeah. Anthony something or another. Scaramucci. It's a measure of time. Yeah. Anthony Scaramucci. He was in the job for a week, if that. Yeah. And it was constant. It was, you know, I also think that I will say this, his first administration, I think he also was quite surprised that he won. Yes. And so was sort of scrambling to find people to fill his cabinet. I feel like this time he was much more focused. Well, because the first time he won the election, he was shocked. Like they were stunned that they won. They did not expect that. No, neither did we. But I will say that it's interesting to watch Christine Nome go in front of Congress and in front of these inquiries and be asked questions. And she gives the very Trump administration answers of, oh, deny everything, lie through your teeth, deny the truth, ignore the video, ignore the sworn statement, ignore everything and just stick to the message. You can't do that under sworn testimony. That is perjury. You can't be doing that. Trump does it in press conferences all the time. Yeah, but not under oath. She's in front of Congress. She's being asked by House members what is happening. And she's like, oh, no, that's not true. That's not happening. That's not what's going on. And we're getting the footage of this. It's like we're seeing it, Christy. We can see it. Can you? This stuff catches up with you. Eventually, it does. It doesn't just go away with the next news cycle. That is an actual proceeding. So I thought that was really interesting. No, and I couldn't happen to a better person. Couldn't happen to a better person. I do wish bad things upon bad people. I am petty enough to do that. Get out of here. No. She did fuck around. And she's finding out. Yeah, she's finding out. But, you know, like, I want to see some professional carnage. Do you know what I mean? Like, I would love for her to be shackled someplace. You know, like arrested. Yes. Not obviously. Yeah, we want to. Yes, we do want the perp walk. I want the perp walk. The full Mangione perp walk. Oh, yeah. What was it? The helicopter. And like, give me some music in the back. Like up the West Side Highway. I do. I want music. I do. I want music in the background. That music you just, that was like the Frasier theme song. No, it was. I was like, what was that? Something. I need something. And I want to see her. No eyelashes, no extensions. Right. Face melting, crying, Tammy Faye mascara running because that is what she deserves because she has made it her life's work. And you get the sense that there is tremendous joy. Yes. She's trying to build a celebrity off of being this mania. Right. But also there is joy in the harm and pain of other people. Sure. Yeah. And that is like the worst kind of mean girl That is Professor Umbridge Yes that is like that is actually And I would love to see her get dragged off by a bunch of angry centaurs Because that what happened to Dolores I know too much about this. I'm so sorry. This woman went to Platform 9 and 3 quarters in London. You cannot slip a Harry Potter reference past her. You can't. You could try. Anyway, Don Lemon. Oh my God. And let me tell you something. Don Lemon was on CNN for years, years and years. And I actually can no longer remember at the moment what he did. He did or said something on air that ended up getting him fired. I don't remember what it is right now. But Don Lemon, serious journalist. But he would do this thing every New Year's Eve where he would do almost like the same thing that, oh God. It was with like Andy Cohen and Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper. And Anderson Cooper. And he would get lit on and he would say he was like, I'm lit, y'all. It would be like epic. But anyway, he fucked up and he found out he got fired. He lost his job. Yeah. And also Joy Reid, who got fired from what was MSNBC that is now MS Now, I think. But since they've gotten fired, they've been doing this sort of independent reporting. Right. So on their own dime, going to places and doing what have you. Don Lemon much more boots on the ground than what I have seen Joy Reid do. Joy Reid, I think, now has a podcast and she's doing that sort of thing. But she's also coming for edges. She's doing wonderfully. Come on the show, Joy Reid. Would love to have you. Joy, please. Would love to have her on. Would love to have Don on. Come snatch these edges, Joy. Love that. But so Don got – so he's been doing a lot of independent reporting and he's been on the ground in Minnesota. he went to that protest that was at that church in Minnesota. Yeah. And there was like tea around that. I was in the middle of writing a motion and I kept getting all these alerts. Okay. So the story with this church in Minnesota was that the pastor of the church, it's widely reported that he's a field office agent for ICE. So he allowed ICE access to his church. And there was a protest at the church where the protesters came and interrupted the service at the church. Well, he was letting ice into the church. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where people are seeking refuge. And it's a big part of the Hispanic community is Catholic service. So. Ew. Ew. It's right. Yeah. Yikes. So Don Lemon went with the protesters. Right. But the administration that arrested him alleged that he was colluding with the protesters to interrupt service. And so the federal charges were that he conspired to interfere with the First Amendment rights of the people who were worshiping, the First Amendment freedom of religion. And two federal judges, they tried to get the charges to stick in court in front of a judge. So you go before a judge and you say, these are the charges. I think that we should be able to get an arrest warrant from the judge. Two judges said no. Right. And they had to go to a grand jury to get an indictment. Right. In order to even arrest Don Lemon for this. And they arrested him in L.A. It was like a while. Yeah, he was. Yeah, it was like the following week. He wasn't even in Minnesota anymore. The charges are still sticking. Are they? Yeah, I think that he's still charged like they're going to court. Oh, that's right. And I also really love that when he came out, you know, he was like, I'm going to fight these charges. But I think the best part about it, because I think that this sort of like his husband came to get him and they walked out together. They were holding hands, obviously, you know, showing this unified front. And I think that it's a meme now. Well, and I also think that that kind of, you know, two men, two married men in love with each other, a black man and a white man together. I think it kind of like sticks it to MAGA, which I fucking love. I love that. I love that for all of us. I love that for Don. I love it for, you know, our entire community who's watching this. I will say just like two powerful gay men holding hands is actually so upsetting to me. Like they really like it really is because it's not salacious at all. It's just two people who are like happy and in love. Yeah. Is just so disturbing. This notion that I guess just like men can be happy in a marriage since that is so often not the case with MAGA. Right. that it's because they think it goes against what they think is the right air quotes right thing to do right so here also like it's just so much hotter when it's two guys you know i guess if you're like i don't know if you're a guy who's into guys it's just no i think for everyone for everybody yeah it's just hotter just hotter yeah yeah it's hotter than two women in love or a man and a woman who love each other no two women in love too okay me and andre loving each other is not hot no wow wow wow okay michael too woke too woke um i heard you have a guinea pig so that's not i don't have a guinea pig wait what happened to the guinea pig oh you were okay so i'll tell you what happened to the guinea pig so i so andre and i were either living together or now married and andre calls me up and he says any wait and he says to me, Giggles is gone. And I said to him, you better find her because Patch was RIP Patch. Her cat. Our cat. Patch will kill her. Oh, yeah. And then he said- Munch, munch, Thanksgiving dinner. And he said, no, she's gone as in dead. RIP. And then so, full disclosure, I was not sad about this. She did a cartwheel. Kind of. A silent cheer. And I was like, oh, okay, well, I'm sorry. And then when I came home, he had covered the guinea pig with a paper towel. Wait, like. He'd covered it. And it was like this pathetic lump underneath the paper towel. Not the shroud. Yeah. And I just think he just ripped off some bouncy and just covered it. And I was like, what are you going to do with her? Yeah. And then he was like, well, KP's going to come over this weekend. She used to come over every weekend. And I was like, it's like Wednesday or Thursday. What are you going to? He was like, well, maybe we can put it in the Ziploc bag in the fridge. And I was just like. Wait, my friend called me this weekend. And then I promise we'll get back to Don Lemon. My friend called me this weekend. She was telling me that her friend found a rat in her toilet. And that it was alive. oh my god and so she told her friends oh no where where in new york city this is my i'm not even kidding i this is your greatest legitimately have such a huge fear of like don't show me shit don't you do it i'll read you the text though my no please don't text today i can't two days later my friends having plumbing issues she flushed it and now the toilets are working can they come up through the they can come up through the plumbing the plumber's there and they snaked the toilet no no i won't look at it i won't look at it they snaked the toilet and the plumber said he saw fur oh my god pina's gonna have to come on the show next week just just go ahead and book them and let me let me take my lumps let me take it on the chin i would die i would i would die my greatest fear is a snake in the toilet rat no snake nightmare i think i think rat for me no getting bitten in the butt by a snake right when i hope that i would recognize that there's like a worrying in the toilet before he came up. I hope that that would happen. I hope that I would notice a boa constrictor in the toilet. My cousin Stephanie is Australian. Well, that's where my friend got the advice to flush the rat. She went on like Australian subreddit. Well, I feel. This is like a, I think. No, no, no. Because this is actually a problem. In Australia. I don't know that. I didn't know that about the rats, but I knew that like snakes and stuff came up out of the toilet. Maybe their plumbing is set up different. Do you know what I'm saying? The toilets flush the other direction. The rack goes down counterclockwise. I'm going to reach out to Stephanie and I'm going to ask her about it. Yeah, call her now. No, what time is it? This is urgent. It's five in the morning in Australia. She'd be so mad at me. Oh, I would die. I would die. Okay. We have to talk. Sorry. We're going back. See, do you see what happens to us? I have an appointment to see a psychiatrist, by the way. Was it before or after the Epstein files dropped that you booked the psychiatrist appointment? It was before because I got to get my ADHD under control. Because I guarantee you probably wouldn't have gotten an appointment after the Epstein files dropped. That was crazy. Oh, yeah. Are you reading all of it, though, Michael? Yeah. I can't. It is so disturbing. I'm sure it is very disturbing. And we've talked about this. I have a stomach for a lot of disturbing images. And I have to read reports. And I have to look at crime scene photos. So I get a lot of that when I was an intern in New Orleans in the criminal justice system. I had to look at a lot of deeply disturbing photos just working in criminal law down south. And this is just unlike anything I've ever seen. It truly is so disturbing. And even just like the emails, I mean, unbelievable things that people are writing in the emails. And then saying stupid stuff like delete this email afterwards. Like the idea that Bill Gates, Bill Gates, shame on Bill Gates. I mean, didn't you make the email system? Correct. That bitch. And that's, you know, and I've said this to you before about other, you know, other things that we've heard happening. You know, people that we know. I am now concerned. Forget about the fuck shit that you've done. Just put that to the side for a moment. I am now concerned about what a colossal dumbass you are. Yeah. Bill Gates, who basically, like you said, basically invented email. Right. It's like, delete this email. What? The whole notion that the email is undeletable was your idea. You did it. That's the calls coming from inside the house. And apparently he was trying to figure out a way to slip his wife. Yes. Medication. Medication. Because he had an STD. Yeah. Yeah. And there's an interview with her. Yeah. Where she's like, I never liked that Epstein guy. Like you can it's clear she's going on the record in a cursory way that she can talking about this, which I'm sure is everyone's NDA up the wazoo. But yeah. And then Elon Musk like begging to go to Epstein's Island. Talk about a pick me. Please, please, please. Pick me pedophile. Oh, my God. That is. And he's like multiple emails and then Epstein sending it to his assistant being like, deal with this bitch. You know what I think is really interesting? That somebody as deplorable as Epstein would see somebody as Elon Musk and be like, even for me, it's too much. Oh, my God. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I can't. Like, even for me, it's too much. And then Elon Musk's daughter tweeted last night while I was in the groundhog rabbit hole, I was looking at the tweets from Elon Musk's daughter who tweeted that the veracity of the files relating to Elon is probably true because she can confirm they were on family vacation in St. Barts at the time. She was like, we were there that week of those emails. And so that blew up. Everyone, I mean, talk about accountability. Your own daughter is like. I know. That's what I was going to say. Your own daughter. She ate him up with that. She gobbled him up with that one. Not only that, but she's also using your platform to stick it to you. She's on X. She's on X talking about what a shitbag her father is. She ate you up. She ate with that. Could you imagine? Get the lidocaine for these sick burns. Oh, my God. Okay. we did not finish talking about Don Lemon you know what because he's going to come on the show Don Lemon I'm invoking the gay mafia on your ass you're coming on this show you owe me you know what you did you don't owe Michael anyway you don't owe me at all but I am invoking the unspoken Elton John act I'm invoking Marsha P. Johnson I'm invoking the Stonewall brick i'm in i'm invoking and uh i will i will invoke the the kinfolk act yes so come on don yeah you can't you can't you can't turn us down you can't turn us down a black woman and a gay man's podcast at once come on yeah okay there's actually been like a lot of losses for the trump administration so talk about hope core in court lately the federal courts have been absolutely spiking the ball on all of these cases that come before them. It's actually pretty fierce, especially considering that the Trump administration stacked the courts with the Federalist Society, with Republican judges. But I have a list of federal courts that have blocked Trump executive actions lately. We have the end of migrant legal status, so the mass parole programs, they blocked that. The offshore wind project was allowed to continue. Detaining resettled refugees. They put a block on that. So resettling refugees. The federal appeals court reaffirms TPS protections. Federal court temporary blocks enforcement of President Trump's anti diversity, equity, inclusion, executive orders. And then the Supreme Court's role is working to limit blocking power in Trump v. CASA or CASA. And a federal judge just struck down the rule from trump and christine home that congress members need seven days notice to go to detention centers do you remember when someone um like local officials in new york were getting arrested trying to go to detention centers yeah and so christine was like oh new rule you have to give seven days notice you know that horrific things are happening in the detention center when we need seven days right to tidy it up to make it look like the mess there aren't any human rights violations which we know are happening at the at the dilly detention center right now the the where they're housing many children who are migrants yeah they released they're protesting they've released lamb which was adorable so it made me so happy but there are still so many children sure of course of course and they've been there for a long time and especially at dilly i mean the conditions that people are talking about are lack of clean water which is how they make baby formula. There was a woman who, I don't know if she was at Dilley, but she was pregnant and experiencing heavy bleeding while in detention. The food is, if there is food, often has bugs in it. Right. It's disgusting. We really are inhumane, developing nation conditions in these detention centers. We are not equipped to detain and house as many people and still abide by the laws of America. Right. They don't they don't care, though. Do you know what I mean? It's not only that we are not equipped, but they don't seem to be taking they don't seem to care to take any measures. Listen, this is what you want to do. You want to sort of go out and get these people. You get them and you and you're putting them in detention with the intention of shipping them out. Logically, it will take you time to do that. Right. In the meantime, you can't have people in a space with no water. There's no infrastructure. We do not have the infrastructure of the United States is already falling apart. 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So this is for general information and entertainment purposes only. So we have a couple of questions from school teachers who have sent us voice notes. We're going to play them for you really quick. But recently, ICE rescinded that schools are considered a private protected location for migrants. So technically, they can enter schools and detain students, which is like a new level of dystopia that we've never seen before. And just quick reminder before we jump into these questions, if that doesn't horrify you, I don't know what will. And if that doesn't get you involved, I don't know what will. Nothing will. Right. But let's jump into the questions because these are the I mean, we really need to give some help here to actual teachers who are worried about their students who might get detained. Let me ask you a question just about the school stuff. So are we talking about public schools or private schools? Is there a difference? Great question, because technically it would depend if it was private property. So public schools are not considered private property, but a private school, I guess, would be considered private property. So do you think, and I know I'm just sort of like throwing this out there. And therefore, the Fourth Amendment protections would apply, whereas now the public property is not getting that previous protection. Yes. Okay. And it would be very specific to each situation. Like, for example, if there was a part of the public school that had private property attached to it, like if there was a house near there or – yeah. Yeah. No, I don't think it would be. Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is from a high school music teacher. Okay. A little different. I'm Michael Melissa. I'm a music educator from Ohio. And I was wondering what are some things that we as teachers can do to protect our students from ice. Now, I know that we've talked a little bit about like what normal teachers can do, but for music, it's a little bit different because we do have some outside of school day activities and whatnot. So let's say you're on a band trip and ICE stops your school's bus, right? We're in a different state maybe and ICE stops your bus. What can we do for our students? How can we prepare our students to perhaps be stopped by ICE at a concert or coming into our classrooms? Like legally, can we advise them to do and be prepared for in our classrooms? and at what line does it become illegal for educators to get involved in try and protect our students what line do we have to decide whether or not we're going to keep going to protect our students and where the sacrifices yeah yeah like being a teacher isn't hard enough right right they're like buying their own school supplies and now they have to getting paid nothing Yeah. So it's, as always, a very complicated answer. I want to focus on you're asking a lot about like how we can equip the students. So like that is one line of inquiry we can address. But I also want to focus on like what you can do as teachers and administrators to put pressure on the administration of the school, I think is really important as well. A lot of what ICE relies on is student data. So if you can pressure your school administration to not collect immigration status data on those students, then it will be harder for ICE to even know that there are students in the classroom who are undocumented. So that is like one way that we can kind of approach this if you want to like put pressure in the right place. But let me ask you a question about that. So by when you say not collecting immigration data, do you just mean not collecting, for example, where a student was born or their actual immigration status? Their actual immigration status or where they're born, because ICE is assuming that if you are not born in America, naturalized citizen, that you are possibly deportable. Right. Gotcha. So ICE officers do have to have written authorities signed by a judge and a judicial warrant. So what I would encourage you to do is come up with some sort of protocol within your school. So ICE shows up, they go to the admin office, that admin office has a way to contact the teacher. or if I shows up, whether it's at the bus, whether it is in the classroom, wherever it is, there's like a admin point person who knows how to sort of check the warrant to ensure that the student ID is correct, that the judicial warrant is indeed signed by a judge, that they're actually like checking the paperwork end of things. So having someone who's trained up in that for each school district, I think would be important. And that person could sort of collaborate with an attorney to make sure that they have all that in order. So by the administration, you mean like the principal or the board? It would be specific to the school. Gotcha. And the district, I'm sure. Because some teachers, I imagine in a smaller school district, they'd be able to just talk to the superintendent. And that person would be like, any ICE activity, you have to contact the point person. Just to sort of stop these things that are happening right in the moment or these spontaneous detentions. I do know the ACLU of Ohio, they're calling in from Ohio. So I know that they released a sort of memo for schools on immigrant student rights and how to prepare your district. And then something you can do as a teacher, I'm thinking about your specific instance, you gave us a very specific example of when you're traveling with a student. Something you can do is minimize paperwork for you and your trip. It's just like a strategic forethought tactic you can take if you don't have a list of which student is where or if you're treating it as protected, FERPA-protected documentation that can't be turned over. And it's sort of held and housed in a confidential place like that, where it's maybe not on your person, but back at the school district when you're traveling, that is a way that you can sort of disrupt the ICE activity of trying to track down and locate a child who is traveling with you, is if you don't have it listed, documented, where said student is, staying, what room they're in, but that is not on your person, is sort of the advice. I hope you can kind of read between those lines because I can't really say exactly. I understand. I think I understand what you're saying, but I'm thinking of sort of remembering back to when I was like anytime I'm wondering how they would be able to do that. Right. Because anytime I traveled with school password protected. So, okay. Yeah. Like stuff like that so that you can easily just sort of keep it protected. Gotcha. A lot of people actually are deactivating face recognition on their phone so that you have to use the passcode in order to access certain information. So that's like another thing you can do. I've done that when I've gone to protests. I deactivated. You told me to do that, right? Yeah. To deactivate my facial recognition. Yep. And then if you and the people that you're traveling with want to just be ready at any stop to not answer questions about the students who are on board the bus or staying in whatever hotel. So you would want to just memorize the script. You and the chaperones that we do not share information about students who are on board bus per FERPA. We cannot share the location, the names of what students are here. Please contact my district administrator and that person will be able to share with you who is where and who they are. Yeah. So FERPA is the Family Education Rights and Privacy Act. So it's a federal act that protects specific student information. So you can't, schools can't share certain information without the student's consent or the parent's consent. So you would just want to reference that. So there's like not a lot that I can really tell you to do because I can't advise you to harbor people. I can't advise you to lie. I cannot advise you to violate school policy. So you have kind of nailed it with know your rights and you can't really like impersonate a legal authority or anything. So I just want you to be careful because I know that this is like your job. So really making sure that we are following the rules here. You can share know your rights protocols. and you should follow the school policy. So I really want you to lean into the school policy piece because that is where I think you'll be able to affect the most change that you want to see rather than you giving advice to students. That is where I get kind of nervous. Yeah. But you can share resources with them. I think that's a great step. So I was going to suggest that either before going on a trip or just generally, especially given what's going on in the country at the moment, sort of, and again, it's been a long time since I've been in school. I don't know if there's a Blackboard or a site or something, but if it's possible to share websites with students like Know Your Rights so that they understand. And you can say to them, I can't tell you what to do, but you should look into this for yourself so that you know what to do if something were to happen. Is that a way that they can get around that? Yes, definitely. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Could a teacher, and again, we want everyone, people need their jobs. We want you to sort of be careful what you're doing in the workplace. But could a teacher potentially create like little cards to give out to students with links to resources? Oh, yeah, definitely. And we have those pre-printed, like those are already set up. So when I was talking a little bit about who's listed where and on what forms for the trip, this would be a good way to do it. What I meant was like if you had one binder just for you that had, you know, the full roster with emergency contacts, but then all the chaperones got one that was just like first names of students and where they were that way. It wasn't everyone had all this information. It was sort of contained in one place. but you know no clipboards at the board keep the roster out of sight those are things you can kind of do yeah they could i just i wonder though if there's like a police officer who's like the parent of one of the students maybe ask if they could be a chaperone on the school trip i know that i mean we've seen police officers really butting heads with ice officers lately they're not they're like they're not the ice officers are different the people who couldn't get on to the police force so there's a little bit of there's beef there they are for sure they failed the test they failed the test or they were too lazy to do it or whatever it was or they they had a record and then like you mentioned while you're at other schools or something like that have a rule for the students that if anything feels off or anything weird happens you i'm going to defer to you on how to best communicate to children like however you want to share that with them so it doesn't alarm them that basically if shit goes down, we meet in front of the bus or in the second row of the bleachers or whatever it is. Make sure that you communicate verbally to them some sort of plan that if there is trouble, this is where we're going to meet. I think you would probably do that on any field trip anyway, but especially now if there is a security issue. And then memorize your script of if someone asks you for student information or you run to ICE or even a security guard. All requests about student information go through our office administrator. Please contact Betsy in the office and she'll deal with you. Okay. People named Betsy don't fuck around. You don't want to fuck with a chick in the office named Betsy. You don't. You don't. You don't. So for just like a general high school teacher, not the teacher that's traveling, there is something you can do just to sort of like do no harm as a teacher. You don't ask about people's social security numbers you don't ask about immigration status like the less you know kind of the better because then if they are asking you or pressing you you really don't know so that is a great way for you to sort of like do no harm um avoid assignments or discussions that require students to reveal family information that is another big one like sort of keeping keeping this sort of like a secret for the family and for the student um don't keep private lists of families that you think are undocumented. Use neutral language like families, caregivers, trusted adults, not citizens, non-citizen stuff. Don't get sort of like weighed into that. Offer a private way for students to request help from you. I think that's an interesting way to sort of if there is a discrete email or a box or a counselor QR code, something like that, where students can sort of access assistance if they need it. I've seen a lot of schools host like a family preparedness night where they invite families to come and sort of learn and just be prepared, whether you are a migrant or a citizen, and then just be ready to say like, I cannot talk to you about this. Please speak to the principal's office. Like just being able to say that with confidence. I think that is probably the best thing you can do right now. Okay. A lot of this is possibly going to change. I would not be surprised if we had a new rule or if there was an incident or something in the headlines where ICE did go to a school and it blew up and everyone got really upset and there was public outrage and then the rule changes a couple weeks later. So I know I can't give you a lot to chew on right now, which is really awful, but I am hopeful that there will be some sort of change. And I think you can really go back to what we were talking about earlier, saying that as a teacher, you can give your students access to resources that are outside of the school so that they can inform themselves. And I think what you said earlier about not alarming them, I think that we should be alarming them. Like, hey, guys, this is really serious. Because, I mean, I understand that there are kids who are not paying attention, but we need them to pay attention. We really do. And I think that as a teacher, you are in the best position to do that. I also think there will be a child that comes home from your class and their parents won't be there. Right. That is going to happen to one of the teachers listening to the show. Make sure that student knows that they can call you or that they have someone that they can call. I think that's really important and a very likely possibility. For sure. Okay, well, that's been Tales from the DMs, all your legal questions. What a bleak way to end this episode. We had a lot of fun, but it ended on a very sad note. It did end up a little bit of a dark note. But the thing is, though, dark or not, we are not just here to have a good time. Obviously, we are. But it's also to provide everybody with as much good, solid, important information that you can take on to something else. So it is a little dark, but we are living in kind of dark-ish times. Yeah. We love to kiki and ha-ha, but we can't always. And just know that, like, I guess on the other end of potential detention for either a student or those students' parents, there are people like me who are in court every day working to get them out. And we are winning and we are finding a lot of success. So I hope that is a little bit of hope for you that if one of your students or families do run into the system, that there will be a positive outcome, even if, right? Don't forget to submit a question for next week, and we're going to see you in court. Never me. 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