Club Shay Shay - Iman Shumpert Part 1

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Y'all wouldn't care to talk to me if I ain't get raised by that man. Do you remember the last conversation you had with your father? Mm-hmm. Yeah, he was, uh, my bad. All my life, I've been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay. Stopping by for conversation and a drink today. He's a true renaissance man. He's an NBA champion. He was also a member of the very first NBA championship brought to the Cleveland Cavaliers. He's the first NBA player to take home the grand prize on Dancing with the Stars. He's the first athlete in his high school history to have his number retired. A multi-happiness analyst, a rapper, an actor, artist, an entertainer, TV host, a businessman, and a father. And he's from Chicago. Here he is, Iman Shum. Man, I appreciate you, bro. What's up, bro? How you doing? Man, why you made me sound better than I was in that? Give me some big shoes. You know what I wanted to ask? How you get to Iman? Because I only know one Iman. And that's the famous model. How did you get that name? Is that where did your mom didn't play? My mama, she didn't name me after, but she always loved her name. Yeah, okay. And it's of African descent. But me and my brothers all got like little wrinkles of African descent in our name. We not technically, we don't know our roots. Right, okay. You know what I mean? So you haven't done like a DNA or an ancestry or anything like that to kind of find with you? Yeah, I don't know my roots. I just know my mama liked African names. She came with Iman. It just means someone to follow what she said because I was just a big ass. I was a big baby. I was born 12 pounds, 4 ounces. Damn. 23 and a half inches long. So she kind of, I think about the pain. She kind of knew. Got to give him some sort of, you know what I mean? Something official. Yeah, yeah. Man, well, congratulations. Man, I want to toast everything that you've ever done. You know what this is? I can't, I can't, I can't. Okay. Ramadan started. Oh, my bad. I forgot. So I forgot that. Oh, no, but I ain't Muslim. Like I said, I ain't Muslim. I ain't got nothing going on, but it's a disciplined thing. You disciplined, okay. Yeah, I'll take a little water, though, if y'all got something. Right down by your seat. Yeah. Right there by your seat. I knew you cared. Yeah, yeah. I knew you cared about me. So, Jack, now let me ask you this. I remember seeing on your Instagram post, you lost your father, unfortunately, last year. What did your dad mean to you? How influential was he in the man that we, that shape that we see sitting here today? Oof. My dad, he just did everything. Like, he, it's such a hard thing when you got somebody there and you get so used to it. It ain't that I underappreciated them because I talk to my dad every day. You know what I'm saying? I didn't underappreciate them. But it's like, when it's good men around, especially when they just get snatched up like that, ain't nobody really ready for it. Like the hole that it leaves, I guess the process of it was like understanding that until I go down, they really won't know. I mean, we could celebrate, we could do this. People talk about getting flowers while you're still here on Earth. But you can't really feel it till somebody's gone. You know what I'm saying? So it's like now when I do just my day-to-day stuff, I can hear him. I know what he taught me. It's to the point where it's like waking up and finna leave out my room before I brush my teeth. I can hear him. You can't even brush your teeth. How you gonna be in everybody's face? You can't even brush your teeth, dude. Right. You know what I mean? But it's like you him, and it's like, I guess it's like the happiest hurt that you can have. Yes. Because it's like I'm so, I know a lot of people didn't have their father. And I'm just, I leaned on mine. You know what I'm saying? I had friends that leaned on my father, and it's like it make me happy as hell to say, like, he was a good man. You know what I mean? but it's like within that same breath it make you cry like a little baby that is like I ain't got him no more no I'm saying about there's a yeah he told me anything I know though yeah I definitely wouldn't be y'all wouldn't care to talk to me if I ain't get raised by that man do you remember the last conversation you had with your father mm-hmm yeah he was uh The day before, my bad. My bad, dawg. He really wanted me to, he liked when I wear the suits, that full suit. He liked when I wear a shirt and tie and stuff. He always got dressed for the office every day. He would wear a shirt and tie. And our last combo, he just was like, man, you look good. in them suits, man. I like that you taking jobs now that you wearing that suit. And then he told me don't come home, finish filming, because we was filming the podcast. Told me and my brother not to come home, finish filming. He got to go in the hospital. He'll be right back. Yeah, that was the last one. Did you know your father was that sick, Come on. He never shared that. I mean, I knew he had to go in the hospital. I thought he just had some, like, you know, people get older. Yeah. Be in there a couple of days and he'd be right back out. Yeah, and then knowing him, I just, you know, I would have been, I guess I naturally worry more about my mom. Because, yeah, I ain't never, dude don't ask for help. He don't... Yeah, even in them last couple months, man, it was like hard to help him. You know what I mean? We ain't know what was going on for real, but it's like the help we think that we doing, we just like, yeah, Dad, you can ask us for anything. You know what I mean? But I ain't even noticed that he's going out his way to say thank you, because it's like he ain't never had to ask nobody for shit. Right. You know what I mean? He's been doing it all since he was young, so it's like... it's just hard to process, my bad. If your dad was here. He definitely said I look good in a suit. On my last conversation, he said he look good in a suit, dude. He was happy to see me in a suit, so shout out to ESPN, man. Give me a reason to wear them suits. If your dad was sitting in his chair today, it's been gone a year, and you could have a conversation with him, what do you think he would say to you, and what would you want to say to him? I don't know if my dad held back anything for me, so I don't think he'd have much to say. He'd probably just reflect on whatever I'm going through at the moment. But, um... What would you want to say? I wouldn't talk. I wouldn't even talk. I didn't even go left to you, Shannon. I wouldn't even talk. I wouldn't be able to. My bad. I can't even do the interview. But I wouldn't be able to talk like you don't get like we don't get good men in the world in the world like we even get as a kid I was raised to like deal with the bad men like to like protect people from the bad men like when you just say the word men like you just naturally think of all the possibilities and all the negative stuff that come. But I just, like, if I could, like, hugging your dad and he down, like, you just, you don't know until you see it. Like, you can't process it. So it's like, I just need him to be moving again. We was talking about it when we was cleaning him up. But it's just like, you know, he looked like he finna move, bro. Like, he looked like he smiling or some shit. Like, he wouldn't get up. But, yeah, if he was here, I'd probably just hug him, shit. Where I'd sit in this lap like a little kid. Like a little kid, bro. But I ain't never, it's crazy because I process death in a lot of different ways, bro. Like, you know what I mean? But I ain't never had to, like, really deal with it. Like, it seemed like all the family members I even lost, like, it was like once he passed, It's like things made a little more sense, I guess. The weight of things, there was just so much weight to it. But, yeah, it'll make a man out of you real life. You work your whole life to be like, man, I could do it. I could do it just like that. I could do it. It's like now y'all think it's got to do it. It's time to do it now. Well, let me ask you this. How close are you to rearing your daughter in the relationship that you and your daughters have compared to what you and your father had? Oh, it's the same. They, like, I'm open book with them, open door. Me and Junie have tough conversations. You know, everything that's transpired, they won't, I don't have their ear every day how my dad did. Right, okay. So I might, that's their difference that I don't have their ear every day. But as far as when they're around me, when they speak to me, the protection that they need from everything that they need, they get it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know it'd be a lot going on in the world, but it's like with kids, like they see time. They see you looking them in the eyes. They see you paying attention and remembering they got a presentation today. You know what I mean? Like it counts. They can't have a presentation and then you just kind of forgot that it was. Then you just came home. You're like, how was school? They don't want to hear how school. They want to hear how it's presentation. Right. You know what I mean? So it's like their only difference is that they won't get me access to me every night how it was in my household. That's their only difference. But as far as what I can present to them, as far as love. The love and attention that when you are in their presence. The time is all mimicked from him. You know what I'm saying? 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And if I did it on Wednesday, then that would have been a problem. where I'm only seeing my kids Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So it's a whole different scenario. I mean, for me, it's looking at it like... Because a little bit of it comes in like my oldest is like, she's like able to handle the calls, the texts. My youngest, she's more like FaceTime. Okay, she's going to see. You got to see. So luckily, my ex is not like a war or nothing anymore. We can talk to the kids or whatever. And I think the part that I could appreciate the most is that my big girl, she knows the weight of it. She kind of knows. That's Junie. Junie would be awesome. I'm like, you know, she she knows it's like I'm trying to make sure I still check in. Like I ain't talk to dad in a couple of days. So she like check in and she want to show the phone on the roof. But she like tries to stay on schedule. So it's like her making an effort. But I still, you know, that's that's what took so long. Like that was the process, the whole shebang of, you know, I'm saying having to separate. That was what the biggest hurt was. we're not going to have our kids on a day to day. I know how much I benefited. I benefited having my dad come home and say why this ain't clean. It don't make no sense when you 14. It don't make no sense. He an asshole. Then you get around some grown ass men that's nasty. to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is... See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app, Audible. 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Hear you talk. the importance of black fathers yeah and you know you hear sometimes like i can do this on my own i don't need a man but hearing you talk the importance of your father and then and in turn the importance of you being there for your kids can you speak to the importance of having a black father in a black household yeah man uh even if he's not there on a daily basis that he makes sure that he checks in and then make sure everything flows smoothly yeah I think that I get this is the best example I could give you about black fathers right black fathers are like a really good defensive back you know what I'm saying I say that because like when you got a cornerback or a safety out here that's so good and their hands are so good, they catch everything. Don't nothing get past them. Or they're going to deliver that big hit. Don't nothing get past them. The other quarterback, motherfucker won't even throw him the ball. And that's what having a father is. They won't even try you. All the shit that your dad do for you, you're not going to see it. The insurance for this and fixing this and money was tight, but he done did this, this, and this, stayed out all night. You know what I'm saying? Like, real pain. And he ain't going to let you feel none of it, see none of it. It's like he, your dad got to be Darrell Rivas out there. Like, why you throwing the ball over here? It's bad news you throw it over here. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, I think that's what having a father and then having a black father being able to walk through, like, this country got some up and down shit that's going on. You know what I'm saying? These files is out. It's a lot of crazy shit going on. It would be, especially for a black boy, how can I take advice from somebody who tried to keep me down You tried to push me down Now y saying okay well that over with So now I'm going to teach you this, this, and this. But I still kind of got to take it with a great assault. Until my black father say, no, that, you know what I mean? We deciphered through that info. Don't trip. That's cool. You can learn this. You can learn that. This is the curriculum you should learn. but they very aware very conscious you know i'm saying like i know a lot of the the you know stereotype of the black fathers like he ain't around yeah he doing the most or he whatever but it's like nah bro especially i come from you know i'm saying having a black father that was always there my uncles always showed up you know i'm saying like the teammates that i've had right are great fathers wow okay it don't get talked about a lot you know i'm saying but But it's like I've had the most wonderful experience, like even now. It is cool to me now, but at first it was kind of weird. I'm more attentive to an older man because I lost my dad. But it's like it's a safe space to me. Like there's so many people that walk down the street. You see five black dudes on the corner, paper bags over their cups and everything. It's so many people that get them goosebumps. They feel weird. They don't know what they on. Right. Then my whole life, when I see five men on the corner, this is a safe-ass corner to me. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's safe. If my uncles and my dad is standing outside this store, every kid that walked past is safe. So that's how I view black men. And it's like I see the opposite when people deal with us where they just like, y'all, inferior. Their antenna goes up, yours go down. Mine go, I put my guard down. Yep. I go talk to an old man in the airport, dog. I'm going to be so chill. Had me taking shit off. I'll be done missed the flight. Let's unpack. Let's talk. You know what I'm saying? But it's a safe space for me because I have my dad. Right. You know what I mean? So I just, I'm big on that. I love dad, dad shit. Yeah. How's your mom doing? As good as she could do. You know, that's a strong woman. She had me naturally. Yeah, 12 pounds, 4 ounces, 23 inches naturally. Yeah, yeah, she's strong. She's strong. They have all the medication that they got now. Yeah, exactly. She said that having her grandbabies around her and being able to look up and see all four of her boys in one room again, She's like, even though it was because of that, she's like, just seeing y'all, that was enough for me. She's like, y'all ain't got to worry about me. You know what I'm saying? That's all I needed from her. Like, I needed to know I don't have to be worrying, right? Because I already know how it goes. Like, you lose your loved one that you've been riding with, they still married. You see what I'm saying? Correct. It's like, your health could dwindle losing somebody that's been keeping you up. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just like, man, just. I've seen it. She's like, no, they give my heart the most joy. Like, the little grandbabies running around, she said, give them the most joy. They have a good time. My uncle and aunt, they had been married, oh, my God, probably 30-plus years. And she got a call that said they found him dead in his car 30 minutes later. She had a heart attack just like that and died. Insane. Just like that. Understandable. Yep. But it's understandable. Like, because I'm sure everybody's had, like, just, you know, some traumatic death that's happened that you wasn't ready for. And we all have that human thought. Like, man, I could just, I might as well go out there. Yeah. Just take me. Yep. Just take me. I had, as soon as I was my dad out, man, this is some bullshit. I don't know if I could deal with this one. Correct. You know what I'm saying? You get to looking at the sky wanting to say something crazy. and it's like I could totally understand somebody, you know what I mean, kicking the can right after that. It's crazy. 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That wasn't planned? No, no. We was, yeah, I was trying to get her to the hospital. I don't know if you grabbed a bag. I'm trying to do this. She's like, we ain't making it. I'm like, what? We what? What you mean we not going to make it? I ain't no doctor. But yeah, I could catch. I got good hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I ain't no doctor, but I can catch. Yeah, I ain't do nothing. She pushed her out. But yeah, it was right there at the bathroom. And then because we did it that way, it was like, you know, Rue going to feel left out if she got the hospital birthed. That ain't as good. So we did it at the new house. We had a new house and we did it at that house. Man, you might want to go back and be a doctor. You know, man, you got this fantasy in your head. Getting out of the life. It's crazy, man. You know, as an athlete, I do like taking challenges like that, but that might be a road that's too long for me, Shannon. I ain't go a lot. That's too long a road. I don't want to do lawyers and doctors those routes. And then the nerve of some of y'all to do seven, eight years and be like, I just don't want to do it anymore. What? What? After hundreds of thousands of dollars. You bet. And hundreds of thousands of hours of studying and knowing, like, you know how to cut a person open and you don't want to use it. Right. You could fix what's going on. If I test something up, you could go in and fix it and you ain't going to use it. You just going to walk around. Yeah. You going to stream. What you going to do to make money, bro? And you got two girls. You want more kids? Oh, yeah. I'm going to have more kids. You going to have more? Oh, yeah. You want a boy? You want a junior? I got to have a junior. That's why I'm going to have more kids. I got to get it. I got to get it. Got to have it. You know, just your luck. But you got to have it, it's going to be more girls. That's cool. More girls is cool. I don't really care, but we going until we get that boy. We going until the boy comes, dog. I'm sorry. Got to have it. Got to have it. Okay. What about this? Marriage. I don't know if I'll do it legally. Legally, I don't want to sign papers and all that. We're going to do a contract. We're going to do a contract owning something that we both trying to do anyway. I'd rather the contract be about a business. If my mama had the wedding, we got married. If my mama was there, it happened. It happened. For sure. But this whole, they get to be a part of it now because we went to the courthouse, and now we got to do this, now I got to do this. I ain't doing all that. What did you learn in your marriage? What did you learn about relationships that you didn't know? Because obviously, you know, you dated. Dating is one thing. Marriage is a whole different entity, man. That's a whole different ballgame. You're like, oh, it's like they're married. Ain't no such thing. Ain't no like. Because when you get that piece, her name and your name on that piece of paper, that's a whole, that's a game changer. Yeah. I think, see, we was young. So it was like, we were just young. But I say, the biggest thing I learned is when you get married, you think it's a new level of love. A lot of people think you get married and now she's going to love you way more on the other side of this. And it's like, hell no. The real love, that honeymoon love, whatever, honeymoon stage. Yeah. the honeymoon stage is uh it's not love it's like so i'm saying like we thinking we gonna the love come now in like times eight it's like no she love you already if y'all at this point right y'all already in love you know what i'm saying do she still like your ass though right that's probably how well i'm at now where i'm like gee i'm thinking like with you get the ring you do this it's like you finna get a whole new bounce in your step It's like, hell no. Ain't nothing going to change. It's a piece of paper. I was talking to someone and they said the thing is that the person that you met when you originally met them, they're not that same person in six months. They're not that same person in a year. They're not that same person in six years. The only thing is that you have to adjust. You guys have to adjust to each other because you're ever evolving. Yeah. I think I'm done adjusting now. Come on. I'm being for real though. How you going to be in a situation where you talking about you done adjusting? So, I know it probably sound crazy, but I'm trying to speed up the process of us getting to know each other. If I'm dealing with a woman, it's like you finna see it all day. I'm not finna put on... I ain't told to laugh. and I don't know how long but I like I get I will have to have two three months separated from a person because they feel like in that moment you ain't had to tell me that you ain't had to say that you ain't had to you know I mean that was harsh but it's like no I'm done lying mmm like it's been where a woman has tried to tell me to know my worth and what I'm supposed to be doing I'm I'm like, oh, no, I'm worth doing what I just did. I'm worth it. Right. I did it. You know what I mean? However I did it, if it's an error in your mind, that's cool. But I'm no longer discussing errors in your shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you process it like that, you process it like that. But it's like, for me, I'm done feeling bad after you tell me you don't like it. Like, I used to do that. I think that's like my cancer trait. Like somebody could tell me like, oh, man, I ain't having a good day. And then it's like, damn, I don't want to have as good a day in front of me. Because I don't want you to feel bad. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. Now you could tell me you having a bad day. I'll rub your back for two minutes. If we not trying to stand up and adjust this behavior, if you finna soak in it, you finna watch me eat a big-ass sandwich while I turn on this big-ass TV. I'm finna watch all the games. You feel me? And I'm going to be excited. Because we do feel bad. I'm a cancer. And if somebody feel bad, like, damn, I feel bad, man. I do. Man, what can I do to pick this person up? Hey, you know, hey. But I did it already. I did. So you ain't trying to make nobody feel, hey. I'm going to try. I'm going to try. I'm going to try. Yeah. But I'm not doing the whole, my day got to get thrown away now. And I don't want another person doing that for me. That's for my kids, a person I date, my homies. If you don't want to be here, don't come. If you come and you feel like, man, I don't like the vibe here, get up and leave. Don't nobody care. I think I got that place too. My daddy told me that it was one of my favorite quotes from him growing up. He said, the sooner you learn that don't nobody care, better off you going to be. He's like, you just want to care. You want to out-care somebody. For what? He's like, when they go down, you finna be by yourself when they go down. And it's like when that click for you, man, it just be like you start realizing. You know how many women have detached from me? Say we've been talking and they'll detach from me for a couple weeks, maybe a month. Come right back and be like, you might be the only dude that don't just be lying for no reason. And I'll be like, bro, for what? What I'm lying for? Because you thinking you lying and it's going to keep her. But when she find out the lie, you're going to be sick. And you lied because you was trying to play it right for her. Because you thought, I'm showing you I like you. I told a quick lie. Made it make sense. Everything's perfect. It's dreamy. I'm like, yeah, f*** that. I done read the back of the book, dog. I done read the back. I done got the synopsis. What was that? Spark notes. I done did all. I ain't reading the book no more, fam. We ain't doing that shit. No, no, no. Okay, let me see you this. public dating. I had Amber Rose on here and she said, man, me and I are good friends. People thought we were dating. Where are you on public dating? Would you ever be because you were in a very high profile marriage? Everybody knew who you were. They knew who she were. She was, is, excuse me, not was, is. Would you do public dating again? Public marriage again? I mean, I think it naturally becomes public these days because it's like if y'all seen me with a woman, like, but I'm not I used to think like that though where it's like oh man I don't want to be seen it's like nah just be like yeah nah if I feel like going to lunch and y'all have cameras there y'all just got cameras there like if y'all say is that your girl I'm not going to answer y'all like I don't care hey Amon Amon how you doing if you see me if I get photo with the lady 30 times y'all can kind of fill in the blank like yeah that's his girl that's his girl or she work with him Right, right, right. But it's like, why am I finna check my phone on an app? I got to go through here, read through this, and woo-woo, just because y'all trying to figure out who I just went to lunch with? Yeah. That's too much, though. Like, even with me and Am. Like, me and Am hung out. And don't get me wrong, I ain't blind. Shorty look good. I ain't blind. I ain't say that. I ain't say I was blind. I'm with you when you're right. I ain't say that. I said. When you're right. I said we went to College Hill together. You see what I'm saying? I see what y'all see. For sure. I'm more used to Am's. Am woke me up every day. I ain't use my alarm clock. That's her thing. She's just a mom. She's used to waking up the boys. So she come up there, tell us, hey, the food ready, come down. But it was like she had a sweet voice. Right. She could wake me up. Don't none of y'all else, nobody knock on the street. Her, Parker, cool. Everybody else, no. Can't do it. New York, love you to death. Don't come in here yelling. Don't come here loud Johnson was in there acting crazy Don't come here loud Ray J acting crazy Don't come here acting crazy Real smooth She, Em was real smooth But, you know, we got a photo on the beach And it was like, I just needed to vent to Em But it was like, everybody was tweaking out Like, oh I'm like, bro, y'all can fill in whatever blanks y'all want, fam But I'm telling you, we needed to sit down and talk Like, I needed to vent to her that day So it was like, I don't care I see this taking a picture Like, I don't care That's really my people Cam caught a lot of criticism that he says he couldn't be platonic friends I thought you was talking about it in collectic what do you say no collect it in just like that yeah well you got boy even watch you go go in the word bank with lady lady lunch going to the word bank well it's crazy he said I just can't said I can't because eventually I'm gonna I'm gonna be I'm attracted to you or X, Y, and Z, can men and women be platonic friends? I think they can. Oh, yeah. I got a platonic friend. Yeah. My best friend is Taco Sheets with me all the time. Even Keys. I be with Keys all the time. We don't be on nothing. They sleep in my bed if they want. They done kick me out. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're not in there with them, though, when they sleep, right? I have been plenty of times. This is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. I got breasts. I'm talking about we breastfeed. Me and Kia got pictures with no teeth together. That's Kia. Like, I grew up with Kia. Kia been doing my hair since I was in fourth grade. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I can go to Kia's mama house without her. She can go on my mama house without me. You know what I'm saying? Like, Taco, since day one in college, it's like, I've been with her. I've been with Al. They free flow. Like, sometimes I get in tour with girls all the time over there because they can't believe it. Taco start doing her modeling thing now. She ain't all sweaty with braids all the time. So now all of a sudden they're like, oh, she is gorgeous. And then they can't fathom why you don't sleep with her. I'm like, bro, we shared meals when everybody was flying. I mean, flying home for holidays. The people from Georgia going. I'm like, me and Taco in here sharing little random meals for the cab. Ramen, ramen. You hear me? Like, really trying to go through it. And then I'm like, Taco rebounded for me, dog. Like, she don't play basketball. She trying to help because she just like, we got to get out of this. This sucks. Right. I hate being broke. Me too. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, if Taco in the bed sleep, like, we tired. Right. Like, we not on that. Hey, I've got a platonic women friend. But I do like that he said he ain't the one. Yes. And I ain't got no problem with that. That's him. Thanks for telling me. That way I said, thanks for telling me, brother, because I don't want minds around you then. But he told us. Yes. Don't I? He's trying to be disciplined about it. And it's like people have, I don't like that people did go take that and try to make it seem like he was a weak man or a weak mental. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I see it. This world here, this is a dog-eat-dog world. Right. And what he did is he just looked out for y'all and said, I ain't going to take your girl or shoot at your girl. Just keep her from around me. because after a while that's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? That's like, bro, that's player to me. And the thing is for me, I don't know. Let me ask you this. You said you could be friends with a young lady. Yeah. What if your young lady was friends with another dude? You cool? Yeah, yeah. She going to understand me way better. What? You know how much, when you dealing with a woman that don't got no male friends, like she trying to keep it super strict for you, Do you know how much delusion you finna deal with on your phone? She delusioned you, the friend even worse. Right. Other friend ain't got no man. She giving all the advice. Yes. Yes, with no man. I just want one dude. Yeah. If you got a best buddy, step right up. You got a best buddy. He's a dude. He got a job. He take care of his old kids. And he pick up the phone for you. He give you advice? Oh, yeah, sign me up. And where's your dad? That'd be my... You know how you get to dinner now, right? And you be asking all your little patty-pat questions or whatever. My question and time. What's your relationship like with your father? Hmm. Hmm. I don't really miss. Oh, I got it. I gotta go. I got it. No, no, not you. But she said that she don't really miss. Oh, if she said it. Oh Oh, but I'm knowing right now. Yeah. Like, especially if she got like salt that come with it. Like she said, I don't mess with him. You know, I never really met him, but it is what it is. Like, I just take it with grace. I still got my granddad. You know, I still got if she positive like that. Yeah. Cool. She can get off like, can't stand his ass. What dad? What? She do any of that? Oh, I'm out. You can't process. You ain't going to be able to process nothing I got going on because I have my dad. I don't even know them triggers. I don't know what that is. As soon as you start doing that, it's irregular to me. My younger self would lean into it, try and cater to it, understand it. Okay. But you making it worse for somebody because it's like, if I like my shoes white, you can't just come in randomly at 35 and be like, hey, man, it's okay when they, you know what I mean? They got that little yellow dirt to them. Yeah, they got a little ting to them, that little scuffs on them. It's okay. It's like, no, it's not. I've been bleaching. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. 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Listen to No Grip starting March 4th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. these bitches every day you know what I'm saying it get like that how would you feel if an ex I'm not talking about your ex your wife but if an ex popping up on on podcast saying things talking about not your ex not your ex not your ex take on her she done count no no it wasn't T that did it though it was it was it was It was my other ex. But it's cool. I don't be... Honestly, dog. But out of the blue, you would never do that. Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. First off, I think it's kind of funny that everybody, man, I've been kind of taking advantage of it a little bit because everybody's been walking on pins and needles since. I don't care that much. Like, the whole, like, Kayla, like, oh, this happened, dated at this timeline, and woo, woo, and I'm just like, Kayla. Why would you bring that up, though? I don't know why she brought it up, honestly, but me and Kay are good friends. Like, it's not like a thing where I'm going to be mad at her because she did that. Like, she low-key was just speaking her truth. It was a funny story, honestly. I don't know why she did it. When you first heard it, man, because I'm sure a lot of people didn't know. What, that it happened? Yeah. They're like, show up. Hey, you hear what those girls say on the pod? Yeah, but I don't know. Like, some of that stuff is just like, that be for the girls. It's like, no dudes, we ain't have really no rabbit hole to go down. It's like, okay, you dated her. She said this. And then it's over for a female. It's like, what happened first? Who, this, who, who? And it's just like, I'm not a female, so I don't know. I didn't take it. I wasn't offended. She hit me up. And that's what I do appreciate about Kay. She hit me up and was like, I'm so sorry. I wasn't thinking. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to tell a funny story on the spot. Like, I did not mean to do that. And I was just like, honestly, G. like it's all everything's all over the place who cares right so you was cool with it as long as I can see my kids every day I really don't care bro I promise I don't I tried to though at one point I tried man I did my bid I'm done caring did you see the Clifton Powell piece where he was sitting around he said he's trying to find how to love someone at the age of 70 nah I didn't see that but uh he said he didn't have any examples of what love is you're different your mom and dad was together oh that's powerful yeah he said he didn't have anybody to show him what love because you i grew up in a situation if you had food on the table you had clothes on your back you had a roof of your head that's love that's love ain't no i love you what yeah that's why you see the movie fences with denzel denzel told him the same thing you got a roof over your head i remember that yes sir yes sir that was a good speech that's love that's love That's love for sure. So he's saying for someone to come up to him and say, boy, I love you, or someone to say I love you, or his uncles and his father or grandpa, he said he didn't have examples. So it's taking him this long to try to figure. So now he's trying to navigate on the back end what he should have learned on the front end. Yeah. Or what he should have been shown on the front end. It's crazy because I think I'm a lot like you. I was, there's actions and there's like, there's approaches that for me is love. Like knowing that, like you ever seen when they, like the old movies and stuff, the dad comes home and like the kids is waiting to eat. Yes. Yeah, that's how it was. Yeah. I've never seen that. my dad is like kids gotta eat it's sometimes where it'd be like i asked him dad when you when you eat you know what i'm saying i eat don't worry about it right you know i'm saying whatever he gotta do he gotta do but it's like to me love is i gotta make sure y'all straight then i'm gonna get me you know what i'm saying like my dad went out his way for that like y'all gotta go to school then I go to work. But putting somebody before you, you know what I'm saying? Even having the ability to prioritize somebody else before yourself, it's like, it's cool because everything else in life is like the mask on an airplane. You got to put your mask on. Mask on first before you help somebody else. See what I'm saying? Yeah. But my example of love from my parents, they totally are putting my mask on first. Wow. And it's like, for me, for me, that's... It's funny that you say that because I'm 20 years older than you are, and my girl, we couldn't cut the cake until he got a slice of cake. The cake just be sitting up there, and we just thinking like, damn, Papa, where you going? Well, Tasha, I hope you tell Granny you want a piece of cake, a piece of pie, because we can't get it. We can't eat anything until. I don't know if I could have dealt with that. I'd have took the ass with before us all. What? I ain't going to lie. I'd have took the ass with before us all. You had me as a brother. I'm taking that ass with before. I can't do it. And so that was the thing, and that's how we grew up. We grew up very structured, and boom, boom, boom, boom, you walk these steps. But to hear you say that my father, the kids eat. Okay, then I'll eat. My mama too. Yeah. I remember one time not liking something. I ordered some shit. Didn't like it. We done left. I couldn't eat it now because it's like, I don't like it. Right. And my mama knew I liked what she was eating. Right. But she not eating chicken wings. Yeah. She not. It was a lot of foods that we like. We get some steak, some rib. No, not steak. She loves steak. Rib tips. You know what I'm saying? Some shit that just pork and just. You know what I'm saying? Man. Yeah. Man, she gave me her shit. And I'm like, what you going to eat? She's like, oh, don't worry about it. Ooh, ooh, ooh. and then like you know that was like i was real young you know i'm saying it didn't stick with me i just ate like you know i'm saying like whatever as i got older and my daughters do it to me like luckily i'm like we got uber eats now yeah yeah my food will be at the house by the time we get that girl eat my whole whatever the hell's in that bag eat it right you got it you a growing girl i could just order something to the house and be straight but i really thought about it like damn it was time my parents didn't eat like y'all just straight up didn't eat right and watched us do that and then sat outside watch or sat at the window in the kitchen and watched us who we arguing fighting all type of shit ain't nothing in the fridge that's why you took us to go grab some so i'm like what the hell is you gonna eat today and it's just wild to play the back and be like wow that's that's that's love like you said that's love you want love that's right country rains and it skits you shout out country we had country way though so what's it like what's it like being in one of Wayne's kids roller coaster you know whenever I go drop no way I think Frank does an incredible job of absorbing the storyline from what's naturally happening around him. I mean, a little bit of it is everything that happened in his life. The man got 10 baby mamas, 10 kids. I don't know how many baby mamas, my bad way. And they all live close proximity to him. to them he got them all like within a mile or two miles from each other from here but that's what I'm saying like they'll tell you he got all the baby mama they're gonna tell you how taking care of every last one of them ain't gonna tell you that part I don't tell you he just out here just doing anything I like nah he got all his kids together yeah it'll tweak you out seeing eight of they ass run up on your ass like like they all these kids like yeah wait till they all grown. I remember walking in with my brothers and it'd be like, everybody be, damn, them your brothers, like a bunch of grown ass men. But it's like to have that family base right there in that vicinity, doing them skits with him, man. It's like he writes that stuff and can bend it on the fly and he acts it out. That's my favorite part about it. He pray before everything yeah pray you gotta do a big prayer mm-hmm first time I go like Wayne I chuckled a little bit I wasn't ready I ain't know he really he really liked that yeah yeah I thought it was like you know I mean like he's a comedian too right exactly yes I've been laughing at the motherfucker so it's like he just but I we finna pray heavenly fall I'm like boy did a three-minute prayer dead serious standing on his toes voice inflections going up and down I'm like whoa this shit it's low-key hitting yeah it's low-key all right like mm-hmm you got that Bible on the string huh yeah yeah yeah like it's not feeling like that and it's like naturally when you know it's somebody you dealing with that one you know spiritually he's a land you know I'm saying he's a family guy mm-hmm So he's just got his family around. He treats his employees like family. It was very easy for me to accept a script from him. Wow. Like, you going to pray before we start, G? Y'all going to pay me a check after we done today? Everybody else, net 60, 30. We'll holler at you. You and him, yeah, you know. You know what I mean? I got all that. I'm like, they doing pay up front. if he got shoot, hey man I need you to bring seven eight outfits shoot all our stuff and get up out of there man, if I tell him hey man I gotta pick my daughters up at four, we gonna start at 8am we gonna be out at four you know what I'm saying, so it's like with me because he says something and then it happens I truly hold him at a high level because it's like it's been people that have come up to me and say, why you doing Wayne's skits You supposed to be doing movies and ooh, ooh. And I'm like, I don't think y'all realize how much Wayne pay people. I don't think y'all realize how much better it is to have something. This man do this 365. How much better it is to have something consistent that you can do 365 rather than that one mega move, boom, and then nothing. I'm like, I done did plenty of things. I done came on set, did this, did that. Everybody loved it. I haven't talked to them producers, director, nobody yet. You know what I'm saying? Ain't never going to see him again, which is fine. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with that. But to be a part of something with Wayne where it's like every week or so, two weeks, whatever, it's like we're still doing the job. And then he accepted my life because I'm like, you know, I'm like, gee, I ain't going to lie. Sometimes ESPN call me, FanDuel might call me. I got to do my part. You know what I'm saying? And my daughter's my guy, I'm like, I ain't gonna lie. I am gonna hit you with the man. I can't do it. Sorry. Yeah. You know what I mean? He was like, no, I get it. He's like, the more you do, the more I could play it into the storyline. The more we can make it to where you promoting us, we promoting you, and this is a good marriage. You know what I'm saying? And it was like the way he spoke and how calm he was about it. I'm like, bro, this all makes sense. I've been rocking with dude ass since though. I ain't gonna lie. Deshaun, you filming, you did that. Yeah, yeah. He over with. Rob down. Rob ain't coming back, G. Come on, man. They done got you up out of there? Oh, Rob, yeah. He had to lay on his mama's porch. It was bad. I ain't going to lie to them, Lita. I ain't going to lie. That was an epic go-out, dog. I watched it. It was hard for me to watch when I saw Lynn and Slow Mo Sheep. They playing the music. I stopped. I'm getting emotional. See, I'm starting. I ain't going to lie. When we filmed it, I do want to tell y'all this. When we filmed it, there was a take that I damn near was asleep because it was cold as hell outside and I still had to shoot it. But I had these heat things. So we sitting in between shots. They changing one of the shots and everything. I fall asleep low key. See what I'm saying? I don't know how. I'm a Chicago kid. It was cold, but I was asleep. And it was late. Lynn came to do it. and she grabbed my she grabbed me and started like pulling me I let myself just like you know what I'm saying cause I'm gone but dead in the middle of doing that shit she started screaming and crying I look out this eye right here I look at her shouldn't have did that tried to close it when I closed it tears I'm like bro I'm not hurt but I'm sitting in a plastic bag laying on my mama's steps like and it was like just being like that and then seeing her it would just tweak me out real quick i'm like oh no i don't like this i don't like this acting man i don't like this i don't like this it got too real bro but she like she just went crazy with that but yeah the shot was fine well obviously you like you said you did country wayne you did uh actually uh uh the shy auditioning is there something that you auditioned for that you didn't get you like damn I wish I could have got that part yeah well it ain't that I I ain't get it I just wish I could have did it it was this movie I supposed to do but we just scheduling wise it just wasn't gonna happen right and I wasn't gonna pass on the NBA it's just hard for me it's hard to say no when basketball is involved. It's just... So is basketball still an option for you now? Would you go if somebody called? Oh, yeah. If one of my guys was like, hey, bro, get in shape. We need you right quick. I'd be like, all right. That's why I didn't retire because I ain't going to lie. They going to mess around and do something cute in that. Oh, they ought to let dame shoot. You know what I'm saying? They going to do something cute with that All-Star game. I'm going to be, hey, Shreddy, let me get it up. Let me get it up. They going to bring the old time back one time in the chapter. Man, let me get it up. But I'm going to get in shape. I ain't gonna tell nobody. I'm gonna get in shape, though. Like, I ain't gonna come out there and be bogus. I don't want to be fraud. Right. I want to really show and prove. Is there any actor that's giving you great advice on set? You know, we think you're good at this. We think you got a future in this if you just do X, Y, and Z. Jacob Lattimore. and then Hannah Hannah Hall okay like me and Hannah you know Hannah was she plays Tiff so that's my girl in the show and she she got my baby now she got my she got my son or daughter I don't know what it is son or daughter on us too but Tiff Hannah always be like, gee, you need to really go do your acting coach stuff. Really go in there and really dive in. But she's like, gee, I thought that you was just playing us. You're from Chicago, so I thought you was just doing yourself. She's like, to know that you don't act like dudes? She's like, you really should dive in and try and start developing accents. She'd do that randomly and just be doing London accents and have to do shit. She's like, you need to exercise it. And I'll be like, I mean, eventually I think I will. But it's like I. Is it because of the girls right now? It's the girls. It's the, again, I have a problem lying to my childhood self. My childhood self, I design myself to be able to look that little nigga in the eye. And I can't look him in the eye and be like, I spent time. I'm finna go do acting wholeheartedly and act like I can't talk basketball. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's tough to not be on ESPN talking ball. Like, I'm gonna watch these games anyway. Correct. Like, for free. I'm gonna watch them. And then I'm gonna argue with my brother like a muck. Boy, we gonna argue the hell out some shit. And it's like, we ain't gonna get paid for it. It ain't gonna be relevant, nothing. But we gonna do it every single day. So it's like now having it to where it's like you could do this or there's a cool opportunity over here for you to do this. Like as much as I'll be sitting there like, oh, I always, oh, you telling me I could do that? I'll be like, man, the Knicks in Detroit play tonight. Right. They play tonight. I got time for this. Yeah, I got time, bro. They damn near the bad boy Pistons too this year. They good. Oh, no, no, this too good. I got to go watch the game. So that's where I'd be at with it. But if I get opportunities, even when I'm doing my auditions, my daughters be helping me. Like, they cool with it. They grew up in this. You know what I'm saying? They mama still doing this. So it's like, it's just not a passionate man. Right. Where are you on the reality TV? You do reality TV again? I never really did reality TV. I did College Hill. You don't think that's reality? I mean. That's kind of cool. I mean, if they came to you, do they have a New York hip hop, New York loving hip hop or something? Oh, like a loving hip hop? Yeah. Why would I be on there? I'm just saying, I mean, I think... I just don't got enough drama. Yeah, true. They're people interesting. I ain't gonna lie. They're people interesting. They grabbing their phone, explaining their self. Yeah. People be crashing. They ain't where you are right now. I'm really 35. I'm finna be 36. No bullshit. Like, I'm getting my issues these days. The type of drama I got going on is eating a burger and the onions falling into my beard. Right. And I don't know. Right. That's the type of problems I got these days. And plus, you got girls. You're in a different place in time now. But it's just like, I'm also a dude. Right. It's like, bro, I don't even want to argue. Right. Like, now, you throw me on Zeus. You know what I'm saying? They allow people to fight. Yeah. Like, because I'm not going to go back and forth. We not going to have no cute back and forth. Everybody going to replay it. No. Let's get down. We going to do that. We probably going to be best friends after we fight. Yeah. I usually befriend all the people. It's weird like that. I don't even want to be your friend. If you can't. We can't. No, not your ass. Hell no. Don't do none of that strong football shit. I ain't got time. I ain't trying to get tackled today. None of that shit. I saw your games. I ain't got time. But for real though, When I get into competition or I get into that, when I have usually a nice little quarrel with somebody and we have a little tussle, we become incredibly close because it's like, especially when going out there in the battle again, you know I ain't going. Right. You know. No one can count on you. Yeah. Like me and JR, me and JR done fought a couple times, but that's why that's my dog. Right. Like we, and it be stupid shit. Like in the middle of the game, yeah, we in the middle of the scrimmage. We going for a loose ball, go too far, extra push, extra push. But it got to the point in New York, they don't even bother us. You know, they just, that's how they do it. That's your vigil. Yeah, that's what they do. Let them, yeah, let them, they want to be extra for this loose ball. Go ahead, fight. That's like my best dog. Now she is. That's my dog. He know ain't nobody for the outdo me for no loose ball, Paul. That was crazy. Pardon the love. Yeah. Pardon the love. The fan incident that you had with the fan threatening to rob you in Indiana because you wouldn't do an interview. I mean, do you get that a lot? Do people? No. Because I think sometimes, like, people have a perception of an athlete. And they, like, whenever they come up, man, we pay your salary. They just think no matter what you have going on, you should take time to sign, take a picture, or do whatever they ask. Yeah. I mean, the only thing I told him, I said, because we was in there. He was in there trying to get this interview well before it was over with. The only reason I stayed that long is because I was trying to let some of the people clear out. They had everything blocked off. I couldn't get the car to pull up close enough. But I'm like, I can't walk. It was the playoffs. So people think that happened this year. That was in the playoffs. Indiana going crazy Halliburton going nuts That what everybody playing uh uh uh uh uh damn what was uh what was that song that everybody was singing The Halliburton. Everybody was singing it. Halliburton. When it was last year when they playing the Knicks and was beating. Who did they beat? They beat the Knicks. What was the song? Hallie. It was somebody's song. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is... 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So I'm having a good time, drinking, doing all type of stuff. at this point my eyes my speech this is not a good interview right you know what i'm saying like yeah you don't have a few you don't have a few you don't have a few cocktails and i'm having a good time correct i'm having a great time like y'all just won like it's like why do you want to do a soup like like what we doing that's what he wanted right for me and him to go he like i could set this up bro at that very moment not at a later that's what i'm saying i'm like you're not even trying to schedule nothing my man you talking about pull it out right now lock in right now i'm like that's that's nuts gee i can't really do that you know what i'm saying i told him a couple times and then we got outside and it was like i don't know he just i don't know what happened once he seen me finna walk to the car it's like he just started getting tough then then he pulled that phone out he got even tougher and i apologize y'all i should have walked off wholeheartedly should have just got right in the car. I do not recommend people do what I did because you never know what could happen after that. I turned around. I had, because it was like, it was too enticing. Like, we gonna rob you. Where? Who? You? That's what I did. It's like, that was dumb. Yeah. Like, I would tell my son, that's stupid as f***. Right. Why the f***? You already done walked away, just keep it moving. Like, I'm like, and my man, though, because I done had a few. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking stupid, acting stupid. I stand there look at him and then I realized that the Wow I'm like alright It don't seem like he won't do none. I just don't really need to go left I don't feel like girls need to come out or nothing crazy, but I'm like the only way he could beat me is with a gun, right? And if he talking to me like that I can almost guarantee you got a gun. Yeah, or your homie got it Somebody got somebody got this you talking to me. There's no way I'm looking down at the man like this There's no way you talking to me like this unless you got something that can remove me. So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to get in the car. I'm going to get in the car. I'm going to go home. But it was like I was all the way cool with the video until I saw that part because I'm like, see, that's the dumb shit. And I got kind of like, they kind of like clapped for me for it. Like, you see, you wasn't scared, though. And I'm like, no, but that shit ain't cool. That was low-key dumb. Like, it probably, you know, got some likes. Yeah. That's cool. That shit was stupid, man. He really from there. You know what I'm saying? Whether I liked it or not, whether I could beat him or not was irrelevant. He was willing to do whatever for his pride that night. I'm just glad. I don't know what made me get in the car at the well, but I just got in the car. And it was like, thank God I did because it's like, that was stupid as hell. That whole interaction was stupid. It was supposed to be funny. Right. Like, it was supposed to be a quick back and forth. Like, I'm like, man, whatever, dog. Yeah. Yeah, we going to rob you. How you go from... Girls, y'all get in the car. What? But, Chubb, did it... Hold on. Just for the last hour, you've been talking about doing an interview. And because I say no, now you about to rob me? That's how... You doing exactly what I did. That's how I went through my head. Like, bro, you just... I'm like, well, damn. You were just my friend. Like, we was... Dog, he was standing by me for I don't know how long. I wasn't tripping off the men. Yeah. Then I told him some other shit. Oh, the f***ing theater thing. Everybody thought I was like, like on my way out, I was like, Indiana. I'm like, no, nigga. He said, no, I really need the interview. And I was like, dog, you not getting it. Like, this ain't got, he like, we in the playoffs. Indiana in the playoffs. You got to do the interview. I said, gee, you got to realize I'm with ESPN. Right. Like, I have to uphold a certain standard. Right. I can't. I just been drinking. I had a good night. I can't do an interview right now. I'm like, right now. but I remember doing like this and he said man this for Indiana I'm like bro if it come to my job Indiana Chicago Atlanta you get what I'm saying but I done named about four five cities but we in this tone so when he got on here I guess he was just trying to turn Indiana against me I'm like bro do whatever you got to do my dog but you know how long we was sitting here talking and I'm like bro I had a good time in Indiana like they were showing me love that was there though for him to become angry at the very last second of the night was actually quite random and low-key could have been scary because i i was having so much fun my guard was now wow the song was what the hell what the helly that was what the helly what the hell yeah what the helly burton yeah what the what the yeah going crazy did you see odell odell beckham said 100 million dollars uh he went viral said 100 million dollars doesn't last a lifetime we know in professional sports that five years after person 70% of the players football basketball after they leave the sport if they're married they're divorced five years after they leave the sport they're bankrupt what happens to the money why the money goes young? They be spending it Mocs be spending it like I done been around Mocs that done had now granted I ain't make 400 million like they making now you know what I'm saying but it's like I was broke I remember broke Yeah Probably A month into when I first My rookie year A month in I'm probably two, three checks in Looking at my account I can't go broke There's no way I'm going broke But the difference was One, my brother always Him and my financial advisor Have been taking half my check The whole time So I never knew how much money I had I just thought what I got in Bank of America No, I don't know why I told you that y'all scamming Take every dollar out that account But yeah, yeah, you just basically like bro if you don't know How you gonna like if I'm if I'm looking at my account and I don't see nothing but a couple hundred bands I'd never go spend a meal right so a hundred couple hundred of bands in here like why am I go spend a meal and my for my man it's like from going to from overdraft and twenty dollars in your account if that you know what I'm saying from going from that to seeing you know just six figures period it was just like but then I noticed like all my teammates everybody lifestyle was changing all my the people I got drafted with they all just like it's like they couldn't wait to be rich I'm like nigga I don't even know how to be rich i'm like y'all went and got the the craziest car you could find like i wouldn't even know how to start this i got a jeep i had a gunmetal jeep i'll never forget it rhino skin on it and everything they like like mellow used to be mad at me like something you come up here with this goddamn jeep bro like like i'm embarrassing him or something he his jeep was like for like a day off yeah He like, my Jeep for taking off the doors and acting crazy in the summer. He like, you got a Jeep on a day-to-day? Yeah. He like, Shump, you know you could buy Benz, this, this, this. And I just like, gee, I barely even drive. Right. You know what I'm saying? I just never was one of them excessive kids. Like, even with shopping, I'm like, I don't like looking like y'all. I was going to go to Neiman's. I was going to go to Barney's or wherever else y'all went. Saks. Saks. But I'm like, three of y'all came in looking like twins. Y'all, we're here to see how... All y'all did was buy everything off the mannequin. Y'all, y'all mannequin boys. Mannequin men. Mannequin men. Like, come on, mannequin men. I can't do that. But I think the thing is, people like, look, if you make, let's just say for the sake of argument, you make $100 million, we're going to take 50 away for taxes. And just let's say for the sake of argument, with your financial people and your agent, They take 2% to 3%, so that's 5% total after that. So that's another $2.5 million. And let's just say you took care of mom, dad, and your family, and that's another $15. If you can't survive our $35 million jump after you're done, you got a bigger issue. You could have made $200 million, and you still would have been broke. And then another thing, when y'all having y'all kids, like moms be having hella kids, but it's like... that it's court system kids like you can't have court excuse me oh no court system kids where it's like while you're playing that bm is just draining your account per month but you're not even seeing or feeling it because you playing because you play yeah the moment you stop you're gonna start feeling it yeah if you may yeah i mean 20 000 30 000 a month ain't nothing if you making 40 million you not making 40 million and they taking 20 30 thousand a month and you still got to pay private tuition which is another 15 20 25 a month and you got i do numbers though yeah yeah it was really well it's always been it's wild because even like i i i did see that quote but it's just like he was trying to basically i don't think he was saying he ain't saying himself yeah he's just saying he could understand how people mess up and i think the one thing he just didn't talk about it's the kids bro yeah that's the real wrinkle like you can honestly live as good as you want out here bro once you start having them kids while you're playing and somebody is taking that and then afterwards you gotta deal with that and it get it might get re-slotted because you're not making as much anymore but it's like it hit more now that it's leaving you know and then you gotta pay for the attorneys because you got to pay for yours and hers yeah yeah yeah oh yeah you pay but oh both oh yeah and she go get them when she go get a nice one too yeah but it's like that's what I'm saying it's all the all the things involved it's just like in the house sure I mean you shouldn't buy your mind listen you love your mom you love your dad but don't go buy them no three million dollar house that's too much upkeep yeah I mean my mama got it A million dollar home. Yeah, but I'm saying, we got something that my sister and them can clean themselves. That my sister cut the grass. But if you got to pay for a cleaning service to come in once, twice a week, you got to pay for a lawn care service to come in. Bro, when you done, like I said, when you making that kind of money, you don't miss it. But when money is going out and ain't none coming in, I'll tell you what. just keep pouring this out and don't put nothing back in there and see how fast it goes you're going to be pissed and I don't think people realize that you know flying your board we're on a private jet another one that's another one these private flights I know all the Instagram girls taking videos and pictures on it that be honestly when you get a private jet like I used to be telling man's like hey man we're trying to take pictures and take pictures now If I ever get a private jet, y'all better take pictures, videos, do cartwheels, take a blanket home, drink all of the popcorn. You better use the shit out of this because I don't do private jet all the time. I'm not big on private jet because I'm very much so. I kind of like how the airport goes for me. I get there for 45 minutes, drop my bag. You know what I'm saying? I don't like to do like the greeters and everything. I don't really like a lot of people to talk to me. But if I keep a straight face, hoodie on, I could just go. And by the time I sit down, I'm going to be asleep. Where you live at? New York? Atlanta. Atlanta. Well, all you got to do is take Delta One. What? I'm not. They'll take you around. You don't even go in there. You go, hey. No, see, that's too much. No, but check this out. Too much. They pull you up to the side of the plane. You bogus. You going to get into it with the other passenger. No, I ain't going to get into it. He going to run into that passenger and be like, what makes him so good? No. Who is he supposed to be? I just pay for the service. That's all, man. Look. Your baby, sir, get you a nice little meal, get the chocolate chip cookie. It's still coming in for Shutter. Look at it. He said, yeah, let me get that other one. But look, I've never been. At some point in time, I don't need 15 cars. I don't need a house in Miami. I don't need a house in L.A. I got a lot of cars. I try. God dang, sure. I try. And my problem is I'm, like, redoing them. Oh, you got resto cars? Yeah. Old schools, huh? Yeah. Sooner or later, I'm going to start selling them. But I'll be pulling up. When I pull up, people will be like, with you? Then I'll be like, nah, this one just got finished, though. Yeah, this one just got finished. Ooh, it's ooh, it's ooh. Listening to that you talk, what have you learned about money that you didn't previously know? My favorite thing that money do is make somebody shut the fuck up. I never knew money could do that. Yeah. And in a lot of ways, like, not on some, like, you talking and I throw some money and it's like, I won't say anything ever again. Right. But it's like, money is like, I had this friend that was, like, complaining about some shit he had going on. it was some shitty act going on and it was valid but i was in the middle of watching something so it became an annoyance that you telling your story about whatever this is and how you needed this money and it was supposed to come through and well i sent him that money and he shut the up just like i wanted and we finished watching the show that we was watching but he literally because it really was a problem that arose. Right. But I'm like, with me, people always say money ain't everything. Right? You hear that growing up because they're trying to humble you. Money ain't everything. But then in all situations in your life, all of it takes money. Can't live in your house without money. Can't eat. Can't take care of nobody. So you damn sure can't be a man. You a boy at this point. You ain't got no money. your boy uh transportation uh education shit is all money so it's like when they say money ain't everything i just be looking like i think that's what i learned about money it'll tell my to shut the up and it really is everything i love the access that it that it allows you to have the thing that i can do for other people like my family i can take care of my family i mean i don't really by myself a whole lot of stuff. You run out. You run out of shit the bus. Yes. After you've had a Ferrari or a Lamborghini or a Rolls or a Bentley or a Range. You don't fit no Ferrari. You fit no Ferrari. Yeah, I did. Not a long time ago. My hips done got too bad. That's too low on the ground. That's too low on the ground. That was 90, 93. What, you getting the custom like shit? Nah, nah. How y'all last in it? I'm uncomfortable sometimes. I drive my McLaren sometimes. I be having to like get my tongue. I ain't big as Shaq. I know Shaq can't get the blue. You got a shoulder. You a football player. You got to do it. Yeah, yeah, but I fit. Because I wanted to fit. He dropped the top on that. No, no, it was a hard top. It was a 5'20. You a hard top? You remember the one Jordan had, the black one? All right, if Mike had it, I get it. Why, you got it? Yeah. That black dude. Yeah, that 5'20, I had to get it. I had to get it. You had the cigar too? You had the cigar when you got out? No, no, no. I was with my brother. Can't go ahead. I was just you know you had to have it there's certain things you know watching Miami Vice growing up I said if I ever got some money Yeah, I want a Rolex. I wanted a Versace silk shirt and some linen pants and I wanted a Ferrari Word one Ferrari. That's great. Yeah, I always wanted to which I got I wanted a watch I wanted it to be man. I ain't make money yet. What I want to make a watch Oh, you want to make your own watch? I I forgot what watch my dad. My dad had this watch that somebody gave him. He didn't want it. And I was annoying the shit out of him. I was annoying the hell out of my daddy. I was asking him about his watch, then talking about the other watch, and then talking about the flaws of the watch. Yeah. And he was like, well, why don't you just make one? I'll wear that one. Yeah. And that shit kind of just stuck with me. So it was like all the things that I had coming when I first got in the league, that's what I used to buy, watches. But it was like, it took me a while to even realize that that's where it came from, but I love watches. I don't know why. And they don't got to do much. Like sometimes it could just be a plain Jane watch. Well, that is what you got on right now. No, no, no. That's why I see it. Not this one. You know what I mean? Because this one is a shut the f*** up watch. This is shut the f*** up talking to me, gang. This is, yeah, I walk through the back. I definitely walked through the kitchen here. 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