Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Maxx Crosby/Raiders DRAMA + Logan Paul CALLS OUT NFL Players
42 min
•Mar 6, 20263 months agoSummary
The hosts discuss NFL contract negotiations and player compensation strategies, including Daniel Hunter's one-year deal and George Pickens' franchise tag situation. They also analyze controversy surrounding Tom Brady's wellness coordinator Alex Guerrero's influence with the Las Vegas Raiders, and respond to Logan Paul's challenge to fight NFL players.
Insights
- Players betting on themselves year-to-year can maximize earnings when they consistently outperform contracts, as seen with Daniel Hunter securing $40M annually after proving his value
- Quarterback support for receivers matters, but players must prioritize their own financial security in a business context rather than accepting paternalistic guidance
- Non-coaching staff wielding organizational power and discussing player transactions creates toxic workplace dynamics and undermines legitimate coaching authority
- Boxing skill and conditioning are distinct from athletic strength; untrained athletes entering professional boxing face significant disadvantages regardless of physical size
- Trading card personal editions and memorabilia represent tangible assets that can appreciate in value when properly managed and marketed
Trends
NFL players increasingly using franchise tags as negotiation leverage rather than accepting long-term deals, maximizing year-to-year earningsWellness and recovery specialists gaining inappropriate organizational influence beyond their expertise scope in professional sportsCelebrity boxing challenges becoming mainstream entertainment with financial incentives, attracting athlete participation despite skill gapsPlayer agency and financial autonomy becoming central to contract negotiations, with younger players learning from veteran compensation strategiesSports memorabilia and trading cards emerging as legitimate investment assets with personal edition variants commanding premium valuations
Topics
NFL Contract Negotiations and Franchise TagsPlayer Compensation Strategy and Year-to-Year DealsQuarterback Leadership and Teammate SupportOrganizational Power Dynamics in Professional SportsWellness Coordinator Authority and InfluenceCelebrity Boxing Challenges vs Professional BoxingAthletic Training vs Boxing ConditioningSports Memorabilia and Trading Card ValuationPlayer Financial Autonomy and Business DecisionsTom Brady's Organizational Involvement Post-Playing CareerFree Agent Performance and Contract ExtensionsNFL Draft Weekend Events and SponsorshipsLe'Veon Bell Professional Boxing TrainingMiles Garrett Athletic CapabilitiesUFC vs Boxing as Combat Sports Alternatives
Companies
Las Vegas Raiders
Team employing Maxx Crosby; subject of controversy regarding Alex Guerrero's inappropriate organizational influence a...
Dallas Cowboys
Dak Prescott's team; discussed regarding franchise tag strategy and receiver George Pickens' contract negotiations
Minnesota Vikings
Daniel Hunter's previous team where he earned $72M over eight years before signing with Raiders
Pittsburgh Steelers
George Pickens' former team; context for his current free agency and franchise tag situation
Cleveland Browns
Referenced in anecdote about owner's son inappropriately discussing pending player transactions
New England Patriots
Historical context for Alex Guerrero's controversial presence in team facilities during Tom Brady era
People
Daniel Hunter
Defensive end who signed one-year $40M deal with Raiders after outperforming initial contract with Vikings
George Pickens
Cowboys receiver on franchise tag; subject of Dak Prescott's controversial guidance on contract negotiations
Dak Prescott
Cowboys quarterback criticized for appearing hypocritical in advising Pickens against franchise tag negotiations
Maxx Crosby
Raiders defensive end frustrated by Alex Guerrero's presence and inappropriate discussions of player transactions
Alex Guerrero
Tom Brady's wellness coordinator accused of wielding inappropriate organizational power with Raiders and discussing p...
Tom Brady
Former quarterback whose wellness coordinator created organizational dysfunction; now broadcaster with alleged inside...
Logan Paul
Celebrity boxer who challenged NFL players to million-dollar boxing matches, claiming he could defeat any of them
Le'Veon Bell
Former NFL running back who responded to Logan Paul's boxing challenge with training video and April draft weekend fi...
Miles Garrett
Browns defensive end specifically called out by Logan Paul as opponent he would defeat in boxing match
CD Lamb
Cowboys receiver who publicly supported teammate George Pickens maximizing his contract earnings
Shedur Sanders
NFL player who reflected on fan support and trading card collection in social media post
Jason Gilden
Player whose image was mistakenly printed on host's personal edition trading cards instead of host's image
Quotes
"Everything that I have can be bought for the right price, Joe. Everything, Joe. When I say everything, Joe, I mean everything. It's going to be a hell of a price."
Deebo (Host)•Card collection discussion
"I don't want George to do the Le'Veon. I don't want what happened with the Le'Veon. I don't want him to hold out."
Joe (Host)•George Pickens contract discussion
"This is a business and the owners are running a business while you're playing. Those words that yeah the wording right there was a the wording was a little i don't i don't like you know."
Deebo (Host)•Dak Prescott criticism
"Not a single football player could beat me in a boxing match. Miles Garrett? I will throttle Miles Garrett."
Logan Paul•Boxing challenge segment
"You can't just come grapple. No, you better be able to throw your hands. Big dudes walk in the joint ring, stowing them crazy. No, you're going to look nuts."
Joe (Host)•Boxing analysis
Full Transcript
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In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him. If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of making sure you stack your cheese, the DN, what is it, Daniel Hunter? He has agreed to a one-year $40 million deal. What do you think it is, Joe? I think it is beautiful, deservingly so. He came there and did what he had to do. He signed his two-year extension for right around like the 50, 48 million, 49, something like that. Came and had 12 sacks, came and had 15 sacks the next year, and then they do, then they get, come on. You came here, you did what you had to do, get you this one-year extension for the 40 ball because you came there all pro, you came and did what you had to do and you come and get your payday again. So now it's another one year. It's no long-term deal, but they're giving him the bag for when you sign someone from another team and he comes and he outplays his deal, he gets paid. And they're keeping him for another year because they know, what's it going to be, two for 80? They know like, they just, we can keep you for a little bit. We're going to give you what you like. dang, you came and balled out. We can't let you go. We can't cut you because we'd be looking crazy. You came and outperformed what you did. So numbers match. He did what he had to do, came and stung him. And now he's still trying to go ball out again. This is what happens when you bring in a free agent to your team and he comes and balls out on that little, oh, we give you two for 50. Oh yeah, that's a good deal. You got my 25 a year. And then he spanks it. Now we come, okay, DeMarcus is looking like, okay, now we got to pay him 40. Okay. It's one for 40. You know what I'm saying? So it's like the George Pickens. It's the little, it's the free, it's the tag without the tag, basically. You know what I'm saying? Well, they gave him a little bump last year, though. So this year and last year, by the end of this year, he looking at almost 80. I think his first eight years in Minnesota was only 72. So I love it. He betting on himself. And right And now he already got this sitting here. He's like, yeah, let me go year to year. Y'all going to keep 35, 40 and all that? Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm going to go get me 16, 15. No, listen, go ahead. That's it right here. And then he go here and do the same thing, come through again. He got another 40 bag coming up. This is that Darrell Revis. When you know that you're just walking around, look, I'm walking around. I'm a $20 million corner. Who needs me? He's walking around. I'm a $40 million defensive end. Who needs me? when you get to that point. That's the betting on yourself. Go ball out. Well, he has the opportunity to be able to do it because he's not a young guy that ain't made no money. He made his money. And now he's like, you know what? Whatever I'm getting this year to year, max out, boom, boom, boom. That's what I'm going to do. Like, he got, what, he got 72 sitting there from the last eight years in Minnesota plus another. These two years combined go be an 80. Like, close to 80, more than what he did in eight. He go doing two. Two. That's what he deserves. Went out there, did what he had to do. Yeah, he got to take that. I wouldn't do it. Actually, when I was first looking at it, I was like, one year? Why would you do it one year? You might get hurt and all that other stuff. And then I had to read into it. I'm like, oh. Okay. Man, what? This is icing on it. But D-Boat, man, this is just icing. He's sitting on top of the hill. This is icing. He's looking at the view. This is icing. Yeah. What helicopter go come down and drop that bat? chopper here we go parachute it out parachute it out parachute it to your board big duffel bag speaking of big duffel bag Dak Prescott brother they say he's under heavy criticism they say it's hypocritical a hypocrite and a fraud listen to this no way George loves football that's the one thing about it I just want him to know don't change your love for football Don't get in the business mind of this. You played last year on a one-year for not even that much, right? So if you can go 30, whatever it is now, I think it's the same thing I got. So, you know, when I franchise. So, hey, go do it. At the end of the day, bet on yourself. He's a hell of a player. Hopefully we can get him long-term and sign that. But if not, I think the way that he plays the game and the person that he is, he'll be just fine. Joe, do you think he is being hypocritical here? Not even a little bit. Not even a little bit. And the reason why I say that is because Dak Prescott went on a franchise tag also. So he went on a franchise tag when he played for the Cowboys. He came in four for 2.7 as a rookie, then played on the tag for one year, 31 mil. and then after that, they gave him the bag, the 4 for 160. And now he's sitting on his second bag from them, a 4 for 240. So that got the dough. But I see what he's saying with George because end of the day, I don't want George to do the Le'Veon. I don't want what happened with the Le'Veon. I don't want him to hold out. I like him to still, end of the day, it's $28 million that he can get this year, guaranteed. Go there, ball out. You're going to have to go ball regardless. Next year, the thing he wants for his deal is what is going to be, $60 million probably guaranteed, like a four for 120. Right now, he's getting a one for 28. Next year, if he does it again and they try to franchise tag him, it would be another 30, like a 31 million. So it's basically right now it's 28 million. Next year, 31 million. I know you're talking about you can go get hurt and all that. I just don't want him to lose the momentum. You have a great quarterback that wants to get you the ball. You're in a great situation. just don't mess it up where like the money's still coming in i know you want that that that bag that four for 120 you know i'm saying with 60 guaranteed but it's hooping this year is 28 million hooping next year is another 31 you still can be able to get it everything like like i don't want you to knock out this 28 this 28 is still coming to you regardless so don't like bow like don't look at it like it's crazy like you know i'm saying it's still 28 million dollars george that we've been fighting for. You haven't made that much since you've been in the league yet. So 28 is cool. I understand what Dak is saying because Dak had to do the same thing. They franchise tagged him, they gave him the 31, and then he went and got the bag. I don't want him, I don't feel like Dak is being hypocritical because he doesn't want him to mess up his money. Like I know he wants a long-term deal, but he's saying, look, we can still go get this. I'm going to throw you, I'm the quarterback. I'm throwing you the rock too. So you're going to be, we're still, we're going to be able to get off. You can get your touchdowns again and still prove it here. You, CD, I'm throwing it to you. Let's just not mess up the vibes. You can still get your 28. Next year, you can get your money again. But I hear what he's saying because I know what George wants, but I can see what Dak is saying. I'm with you, but the only thing I don't, or one of the things I didn't like, I should say, is that he said don't get into the business mind of this. that's a problem because this is a business and the owners are running a business while you're playing those words that yeah the wording right there was a the wording was a little i don't i don't like you know also that he said you know i played under this or that yeah that's you he he he ain't in the same position as you you know how many receivers they got coming out every year that are supposed to be elite and all this other stuff that could do this and do that it's a big difference between having a quarterback such as yourself you got your money bro all you need to do is be supportive of your teammate and say you know what I want him to get as much as humanly possible brother just like cd uh cd lamb did he said I want him to see him make more than me like it's a business okay and when players realize that you know it's a business that's when they're like, you know what? I got to make as much money as I can to make sure that I can secure my future and generations forward, because that's the ultimate goal of it, is to make sure you can make as much as you can so that you can make it easier on your kids and everybody else under you. And again, I understand what he's saying. Like I said, I'm on the other side too. Like, hey, listen, he's trying to tell you, you know, you know who you're working with right here. Hey, George, it's Jerry. It's Jerry. Don't go too crazy because Jerry, he hard-headed. You see how he do it. If he don't feel like he ain't going to get you a penny more than what he think he's going to get or feel like you deserve. So he's just putting it out there and giving pickings the heads up. You got to realize who you're dealing with. I had to do it. You may have to do it too. nah you know i think like i said i'm like i said joe i know people gonna say james well you know you're talking out both sides of your mouth no i'm just giving you a point of view from a different angle and until you could be on this side and then flip over to joe's side or whoever side that is you can't see the view you can only see your personal view so you got to be able to understand Like, you got to be able to understand your enemy if you want to be able to defeat them. And if they undefeatable, you got to understand that, too. They're willing to do whatever it is that they say they go do, and you got to realize that, too. But I think I'm with you with Dak. When you're saying you're the quarterback, support your receiver. Just support them. Just always just be there to support them. You don't want to say nothing with it. You don't want to get in the business side of it. It is a business. He got released from the, he wasn't with the Steelers. He got, like, he's in the business. This is his second team. You've only been on one team. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody to each his own. It is a business. Like, I understand that part, but that, like, you're getting paid. He still hasn't got paid yet. So as far as that part, I can definitely see what you're saying. But, like, yes, support your teammate. But at the same time, I'm with what he's saying, too, because he's the quarterback. Stay with this squad. I got your back. I'm going to pass you the rock. You know what I'm saying? It's 28. It's the franchise. We're going to go hoop on the franchise. I hooped on the franchise. You know what I'm saying? So he's kind of a little bit of both. Yeah. That's why I said I didn't think it was like really hypocritical. You know, I think it was more of a, just be more supportive. Hey, listen, if it comes down to it, I did it, man. Look, it worked out for me. I want him to get as much money as he can. And if he got to, man, look, man, it worked out for me. I did it. So, you know, I can understand that route. I just don't get into the business of the business. No, that's the business of it. Don't. You don't do that. Yeah. Just eliminate the don'ts. Don't. You just don't get into the business part. Ah. Yes, he has to. He's actually in the business part of it. He's, you know what I'm saying? So Tom Brady's trainer, Alex Guerrero, reportedly annoyed players and coaches in Las Vegas, including Max Crosby do according to Mike Silver He said like many players and coaches Crosby was frustrated by the presence of Alex Guerrero a staunch Brady ally official title is wellness coordinator Guerrero, who regularly attended practices and meetings, purports to pose significant organizational power, including informing players of impending transactions and indicating to staff members who don't follow his instructions that their jobs may be at risk. How do you feel about this joke? It's reported by Mike Silver. So we're taking this as legit. We're taking this as legit. We're taking this as legit. If I'm taking... Insider. He has a legitimate insider. Tom Brady, when we're talking about him being the broadcaster, he has a man on the inside. And let me tell you this, Debo. If you have somebody walking around talking about impending transactions, staff members, if you're not listening to my instructions, you will be fired. This is like janky promoters. Like this is janky promoters. Like there should be no like you're like those are the only the GM decisions, the head coaches. These are not conversations that are being had with players at all. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, and for him to have the direct contact, obviously that's Tom Brady's trainer. We know he was his guy. He was in New England. It was a big thing with him being all in their facilities and everybody not rocking with it. For Tom to have that, it just brings up too many. It's just, why, Tom? You think that you want to give people reason to, like, ask these questions? You want to put your mans right in the middle of the thing and he's sitting there talking about transactions? What do we expect? What do you want us to expect? You know what I'm saying? I think it's crazy. And for Max Crosby, legit, I don't think if this is legit, he has no reason to lie. Man, Max is trying to win games. He's walking around the locker room. And you got your wellness coach talking about people getting cut. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid. Lewis Hamilton, Crapicorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon. The story of the sport's most consequential driver's strike. 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I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Bo was born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And stuff because he's cool with the owner of the team. Like, that just sounds foggy. And I can only imagine the players on the team walking around and looking at their wellness man. Like, who knows, the GM? Who's going to make the real decision? The GM, the head coach, or the wellness man? Like, that is just crazy and janky promoters if that's what's really going down. It's going to be the wellness man who is super friends and credited with his whole career. That's who it's going to be, brother. I don't like this. And I've never had any ill anything with Alex or nothing like that. But your work that you did with Tom Brady don't apply to every football player on the field. Tom Brady threw a fucking football. Pliability, yes, that's great. But you're talking about a guy like Max Carlsby who has to get into a fight with a dude every play. He needs weights. Tom throwing the two-pound ball. Pliability, all that stretching, all that stuff, that's great. But when you're in there in the trenches and I got to put my hands on somebody, I need to be put in that weight room. I need to be under those forces. I need to be under that tension. So for him to be a person that's saying, you're not doing what I said to do. Well, maybe what you said to do ain't what works for them. For me, like it's just that's that it's not it's not a one one a one size or one one approach fits all mentality. He did a great job with Tom, obviously, but Tom wasn't up there fighting with a man every play, having to physically dominate a man every play. so you know the the whole stretch do the bands and all that man if i were to do a band workout for my workouts every day or or whatever the process is that that that tom was doing i would have been out of a job before i even got one so i don't like it because you have someone who has a very close and personal relationship i mean for decades now saying that yeah don't do what i tell to do you up out of here. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. I mean, they let Tom do anything though, man. Hell, he an owner and still do commentating. He, you know, he getting all the inside scoop, all that other stuff and they still can't win. Like they allowing him to go ahead and basically down there cheating. They still can't get it. They still can't get nothing going on over there. It's just a lot, man. You, like you ask for, you wonder why, like I don't, I didn't have nothing against. I don't even know who Alex Guerrero is. I know who he is. I know of him, but I never met him personally. But the more that you hear, like when you say, I don't care who you are in the building, if you're talking to the players about pending transactions and indicating if the staff members don't listen to you, that they will be, their jobs are at risk. That's just, that's just toxic energy walking around the building. Do you know what I'm saying? like who are you that can do that, that has that power to be walking around and talking like that. You know what I'm saying? I understand, but I will also say this. I got to go and defend something because I do know some other stuff. So his recovery and therapy techniques as far as getting players back are good. It's well documented. So when he's talking about staff members, I'm obviously going to think that he's talking about training staff because as you know and I know the techniques of a lot of the training staffs in the NFL are far, far, far behind into the caveman days. And some are a lot closer, but none of them are up to cue of the next closest advancements. And by the time they get them, it's like, oh yeah, we got this new thing done. I'm like, yeah, I was doing that 10 years ago. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, that's old now. It's this. Okay. I can rock with that, but the impending player transaction. Yeah, I can't. I can't rock with that. Get out of here. Don't even worry about it. You ain't going to be here. That's what I'm saying. Who do you think you're talking to? I got something for your ass. Come on, man. Your lock is going to be cleaned out by Monday. Not good, man. We had, man. Yeah. We had, you want to hear a story? Give me a story. Quick story. Quick story. Before the Haslams bought the team, they had the Learners were the owners of the Browns. And they had their son, my young bull, little Learner. He was walking around that joint. And he was like, oh, yeah, don't worry. He's going to get cut. This was when I first got to the team. The owner's son, young bull, was walking through that joint letting people know. He was probably like 11. He was probably like 11, 12 years old. young bull and he was walking around. He knew what was good. Was they getting cut though? Yeah, it was a little crazy. How many of them got cut that he said, oh, he getting cut? No, he only did it one time for real when I, but look, it was a play. We knew he was, yeah, it was, we always like, yeah, you right. Basically, yeah. It wasn't like a surprise joint. To be in that position and be like, yeah, hey, and my daddy about to get you up out of here. And my daddy about to get you That was my young boy. He was like, yeah, don't go. He love you. It was 2010. This is when I first got there. I was going to try your gut. That was my little man. Try your gut. You're good. Don't worry about it. They love you. I'm like, you love me? I love you too, kid. Listen, man. Paul Logan, he challenged NFL players. He said a million. Logan Paul. Yeah, sorry. Logan Paul. He challenged NFL players. He said a million dollars boxing fight. He said he would throttle Miles Garrett. any NFL player that wanted to do it. Listen to this. I wouldn't be surprised if I throw hands with Tom Brady on the field in LA. Dude, Tom Brady does not want to throw hands. There's a clip of him out there of him calling me a bitch. He's a bullpaw? To Gronk of all people, who I beat up all of his brothers back to back. The Gronks lined up and I beat them up back to back to back. And guess who didn't step in there? Mr. Gronk himself. Yeah, they're calling me a bitch. But don't do this. I do. I do. I think it's cute. If any of the football players want to fight, we can see what happens. We can see what happens. What football players would straight up beat his ass? Not a single one. Name one. Not a single one. Nah, don't do all that, bro. I would put any amount of money that you could put. He can't. Metcalf? Not a single football player could beat me in a boxing match. Miles Garrett. That is on God. Miles Garrett? Miles Garrett? I would throttle Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett. I will bet you a minute. Why did we choose him? It could be any name, but any football player, Miles Garrett, Puka Nakua Tom Brady Grant I don even know Don even try calling out Sam Darnold Sam Darnold No don do it It doesn matter A million dollars A million dollars You come to the gym. We put on boxing gloves. We see how it goes. Not a single one. Like, it's this. There's levels to the shit. Chad Ocho Cinco? Stop. I will throw hands with any of you motherfuckers, bro. What about Antonio Brown? Stop. Stop. What happens when you take a football player and you wrestle them? and then you ground upon them. They're not going to know what to do. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. What's up, D-Bo? He had a lot to say about that, but my boy Le'Veon Bell responded to him, man. You know, we got the tweet right here, and we got a video, brother. We got a video. He dunking my guy, man. He is. He dunking. What the fuck? What the fuck? I ain't doing that to him. I ain't doing that to him. Oh! That almost took my man ACL and... ACL, MCL, PCL, CCL. LCL, MCL. You name it, bro. LTL. You name it, bro. God. You name it. He told him, man, stop ducking. He added him. He said, stop ducking. He said, bro, I'm trying to fight. Bro, trying to fight an NFL player that's never had, and that never fought before. Let's set it up, bro. We all heard. you say you can beat any NFL player. We can fight in April, the NFL draft in Pittsburgh. Fight in Pittsburgh. Yes, sir. Yes. We can fight NFL draft weekend. Let's make it happen. Listen, he ducking. He ducking. He want somebody untrained. That's why he said, like, a football player. Then he tried to make it a current. Yes. Then he wanted to fight Tom and Gronk, and they're not current. But I don't know why he ducking. Why he ducking my boy Bell, man? Because this one I'm going to tell you, he don't want to box. I don't give a damn how strong people are. They think it's sweet. Like boxing is a real life. You just don't walk into the ring and not box and can't throw hands. You're strong and just big and get your ass beat. Like just walk in there big and buff and you think you're going. No, you're not wrestling. You're not just playing UFC. You can grapple, get your hands on them. No. When you're boxing, the referee's there. He's going to break it up and you better have these things. You better have a right hand, a left hand, a hook, a straight, and be able to throw. All that weights, all that DN drills and all that, Miles Garrett might get boxed up. But if you got somebody like Le'Veon Bell, that if you get an NFL player that really is in the ring, throwing his hands, you know what I'm saying? He's doing one. He's professional. You ain't know that right. He wants to. You want somebody because he's been practicing. He's been doing it. He don't want that smoke. And that's why I like when dudes just walking into the ring. Yeah, I'll fight him. I'm like this. Dude, if you ain't been into the ring, you just thinking you're going to be sweet. He's really training. The Pauls are really training. The Pauls are really in the ring. They really know how to box. So I'm going to look at someone. I'm not dumb. They're going to walk in that zone, and you think it's sweet, get boxed up. Le'Veon Bell, he's been training. Get in there with him. I like that. And he don't want no smoke. I want a dude that's going to walk in there, his first time putting on the gloves, and he thinks he's finna just walk in here because he's big and strong and doesn't know how to throw a punch, doesn't know how to box. He's going to get beat up. You know what I'm saying? Because you can't just come grapple. No, you better be able to throw your hands. Big dudes walk in the joint ring, stowing them crazy. No, you're going to look nuts. You're going to get tired and you're going to get beat up. Okay? So when you get somebody that's been in that joint conditioned, ready to box, been throwing hands, been in that joint for doing rounds, you know what I'm saying? Now, now I like to see, I like Le'Veon Bell versus you. And he's like, no, you're not in the league and you can actually fight. He even said it to Le'Veon Bell. You can actually fight. I'm like, yeah, you know. He's going to come in that joint 225, 230, heavyweight, ready to put them hands on you. blocking your little, blocking them little body joints, blocking that bull. He's going to come in and tattoo you and you're going to feel it. You're going to have sweat falling off your head. You're going to know you're in it for a fight. He's been into them rounds like where it gets dark, where dudes is tired. And they're like, you just see dudes. I'm like, I watch boxing and I'm like, dudes are going to fold. You can see a dude melt. I'm like, oh no, he doesn't, he's tired. He's exhausted. He doesn't even know how to, put your hands up. They don't know how hard it is. You got to put your, guard yourself. I did, I did. I'm like, why is he not putting his hands up? He's exhausted. And I'm trying to tell you, bro, just holding my hands up was hell. Bro, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Fire, bro. So when you're really in the joint and you really do some boxing and you know what's going on, if you're a boxer, you want to bring in a dude that's like, oh, yeah, no, I go in there and knock him out. Get in the ring. Let's do a couple of lines. Watch you spa. Just in the joint. Breathing all hot. Nah, we in the joint. Three minutes, fool. Straight up. Throw hands. Three minutes. Like when you get in there, I've done some boxing training. I'm like, oh my gosh. You just put your hands up. It's just hard to hold your joints up there. I start slapping you in the face because your hands ain't covering and shit. I'm like, man, stop hitting me. Man, come on. This ain't UFC. You're not just going to be able to grapple, ground and pound, try to choke somebody out. Nah, referee's breaking it up. And you're like this. I'm like, yeah. So I'm with getting your ass in the ring with somebody to actually get them rounds in. You got to prepare, do that. Because if you just throw an NFL dude in there that has no training, that thinks like, I'm just going to go in there. Yeah, because I'm strong. You're going to get put on your face. You're going to be a meme. And I don't want my dudes to go out there and be a meme because you just don't walk and play boxing. You got to know what you're doing. No. Logan Paul, he want to go in there with an untrained fighter that doesn't know what he's doing. He don't want none of that Le'Veon Bell smoke. I mean, it's levels to it. Everybody knows levels to it. You look at when he fought Floyd. He's ready to come in there. 35 pounds heavier had a four inch four inch reach advantage and i think they said uh what was it he only he only touched floyd what was it 28 times floyd hitting 43 and he threw twice as many punches as floyd did he threw like 217 floyd threw like 107 like his skill levels to this like point blank period and you couldn't even you couldn't even beat him and some people boxing analysts said that they thought that he was actually carrying Paul for a few rounds instead of trying to knock him out. No, for sure. Yeah. Go ahead, man. Jump in there. Logan Paul, jump in there with my boy Bell. I want that. I love that. Jump in there with him. He's talking for all of us. Past, present. I need to look and see and need to know if any of my dudes in the league is really boxing. Ain't nobody boxing you. You can't do that and play football and put in the time necessary, bruh. You can't. You can't. You can't. Only thing you can do is street fight. Go in there and try and ground and pound a nigga. That's it. Go in there and UFC somebody. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. That boxing thing. I like Miles. No training UFC him for sure. Yeah, yeah. UFC. Tell him, yeah. Go ahead and put that same thing for Miles, but make it Make it UFC. Oh, I'm taking that. That's what I'm talking about. They want to stay in their playground, though. You know what I'm saying? They want to stay in their playground with their ball. Safety first. They don't want to come out there and put... Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. The story of the sport's most consequential driver's strike. 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Because they be getting paid. What'd you say? Oh, I can't hear you. Deebo. I said, I said, you ain't go, I said, you ain't go, I said, I ain't tripping because they getting people paid. Oh, that's a fact. Yeah, I ain't going to trip, they getting people paid, but you ain't about to get Miles Garrett out there for no million. He make 40 a year and stop playing. Come on, man. You got to come up with about 200, 250. I want something. Oh, man. Shit, 250, I go out there. I go out there with Andy Joshua. Come on, man. I let my shit get wired up like his brother did. For that price. Man, for the $250, bro. He's staying over here with the Browns, man. Shador Sanders, he reflected on the support of the NFL fans in the post that he had right here. Right here. Pee gang. He said, it's always cool when I randomly meet someone and they pull out my trading card to show me they have it. That support truly means a lot to me. Joe, have you ever had anybody bring your rookie card to you and be like, hey, sign this for me or hey, I got this? Yes? I have. I ain't got a rookie card. Why the fuck you asking me that? See, you got a card though. I asked you a rookie card. Okay. Yes. You got a card collection? Okay. Yeah, I got a couple. Who's? What cars you got? You got all your cars, huh? Hmm? No I got a couple of my cars I don got a lot of them He a garbage mouth lie because I got almost all of mine Oh When they started making them Hold on Hold on Joe Let me come right back I told you Let me go over here to my Your stack of cards? Let me go over here to my dining room in my office where my trophy is. My trophy is. I'll go over here. You're funny. Uh-huh. Go ahead. Go ahead. I know you got a lot of square footage, D-Bo. You just be lying. no but i do be collecting my card a little bit just my kids what i got here though let's see what you got is i got cards dang but it's not it's different cards though so all these are different cards but the the big thing is so i would sign cards right and i would make them make me cards for myself and what they would do is they would send me cards and they'd be like, well, you can't take the card that's in there because it would be like a one or two, but they would make me like these personal edition cards. So it would actually look like this is one of them. So I don't know if you can see that, but see, it says personal edition on the card. These are my own personal cards. It's the same card. So I guess they were trying to keep the value of theirs up, but in reality to me, I think they made me some more valuable cards. But here, I want you to look at this one, though. The one I just showed you? Look at the face. Who is that? Hold on. Back up a little bit. I can't. It's a little boggy. Who is it? It's a little blurry. I can't see it. I want you to look at the face. Damn. Can y'all zoom in on the face? I can't get it in focus. I got to get it to a focus. Okay. Is that PZ? That's Jason Gilden. They messed up. They put Jason Gilden on these. So look, did they put Jason Gilden on just your personal one? No, no, no. That was just a couple that they messed up. So these personal edition, these right here, these are actually me. But. Okay. So same thing. Like all these, they're all different cards, but they made them, you know, to be the personal edition ones. But on those cards... And Jason Gilden wore the same number as me. So here, I'm going to show you another one. Jake, that's janky promoters right there, D-Bo. So, I actually got a bunch of these, dude. I got so many of these things, dude. So here's the ones that... You know what? Like these personal edition ones like this. Let me see. Can you see that? Man, you know what? I need the personal edition Jason Gilden joint. so and then it's the same thing like it's all the stuff on the back but like you name it bro like all of these are you know personal addition cards flawless finishes like it's everything bro like you did way smarter than me I didn't get I just tried when I tried to keep them like the same way you like nah this is the one I'm like this well put in your contract that you want your own like so I got bro I probably got I don't know, maybe 3,000 or 4,000 personal edition cards. At least two or three of each. But they're actually personal editions. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go ahead and let them know, hey, I got them out here. See if I can't get some Michael Jordan prices. Look, man, before you get to selling them, I need me, I just, okay, we're going to talk offline, but I need a Jason Gilden joint because that's limited to the dish of the shot. Let me get the Jason Dilled and Debo Jones. Hey, hey, it got him on the front, bro, and my name on the back of that thing. And I'll send him, dude. I'm like, it's another one, too. So another one that they sent, brother, it's like a, it's like a, it says Debo, and then they got like something on the back of like why they named me Debo, da-da-da-da-da. and they go, because he looked like D-Bo. I said, yep, these cars ain't coming back to you. I said, change it. You be roughing your car. Nah, I don't, man. Listen, man, this is the business, man. Yes, you do. Yeah, this is the business, man. I'm trying to tell you, man. Listen, man, I'm trying to tell you. I'm sitting on at least, like I said, about three grand of cars, brother. And like the thick ones. You know, the thick border ones. Yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about. Them clank clanks. I'm going to come over there and get one. Yeah. You know what? That might be a giveaway. That might be a giveaway. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. I got to see what Harold is talking about, though. You know? What are the jokes in? What are you talking about? Listen, Joe, I have no sentimental attachment to anything. that I did personally, because you can't take it from me. Mm-hmm. No, it's in the books. It's in the books. It's in my mind. It's in the books. It's in the history books. Everything that I have can be bought for the right price, Joe. Everything, Joe. When I say everything, Joe, I mean everything. It's going to be a hell of a price. Ooh. See? But everything can be bought. You can't take away the wind. You can't take away the memories. You can't take away the wind, Joe. You can't take away the memories. You can have what came with it if you want to pay the right price, Joe. Hey. Take the material things. I never fall in love with property. Deebo, you know what I'm saying? You're not a real material. You don't love the material things. Hey. Look how I'm living, Joe. They can tell you I don't love the material things. Look at my life. You a lie. Look at my life, Joe. You acting like you in the studio. Like, they're just everything. I'm in the studio. Just one little open room. You liar. One bedroom studio. Everything. You ever been to New York and you been to a studio apartment that has a house? That's what I'm living in. Yep. You're lying. It's all good, though. Joe, I ain't got no gym in my house. You know? I ain't got no gym in my house. You got a gym? Oh, you do? Oh, my. No, Lil' Jim. Oh, my. Lil' Jim. Joe got a gym in his house, but I can't tell. Yep. I can't tell. Lil' Jim. Got to get that word. Joe. Yep. You know what time it is? It's time for Player Fade presented by Prize Peaks. All right, Joe. I have another one for UFC 326. Okay. We go play or fade it. Okay. What you got? I got my man definitely more than 24 and a half significant strikes. You got more than that? Yes. Keep going. Oh, never mind. I'm with you. Because he What is it? Calo? What the? How you say that man's last name? Berulio? See? Yep. That was actually good. That was good? Shit, I'm good, bro. I'm doing this, bro. I'm trying to tell you, man. You're doing better. He going against Ryder, man. He going against Ryder. What you think on that? We got more. I think he's going to do more. And do you know why, though? Because his last three times, he did this in his last three fights. He's had more than that. I mean, he's had more than 39 and a half strikes. In his last three fights. So he going for the long haul. Yes. He ain't got that one-hitter quitter? Yes. He's going to get you some more significant strikes. It's going to take a little bit longer. Okay. So Charles Oliveira and Max Holloway. Now, this one is going to be more of a one-hitter quitter. It's going to be less than 48 because he had less than 48 in six of his last seven fights. So he going to put, so somebody going to go to sleep. I don't know if it's him or the other person, but there's going to be less than 48 strikes. I don't know. I think Max Holloway going to tell him to stand in that ring. Okay. I'm going to go less on that one. I feel like, see, if I say this, my son will get mad at me. So I'm just going to say nothing. My son, you know, he the US who, you say something against Charles Alabama, James, you say something against him, you know, he lied with a fight. you know and I don't feel like going to jail for beating up my son you know you know what I mean okay so I'm gonna go so you who you think gonna win though that sounds like they believe in Max go win it don't matter no Charles gonna win Charles gonna win Charles gonna win by decision okay cause Max cause Max goes hard Max go hard he ain't gonna go he ain't gonna go outside so So, yep, over three rounds, under 48 strikes. Yep, that's what I got. That's what you got. Let's get it, Joe. We going to play this right here, people. So, download the app today and use the code DEBOANDJOE to get $50 after you play your first $5 lineup. That code is DEBOJOE to get $50 after you use your first $5 lineup. Prize picks. Feels good to be right, baby. And we right. You play this, you go be right. Joe. Yes, sir. We'd like to thank everyone, Joe and myself, for joining us on this episode of D-Boy and Joe, episode 77. Yes, sir. Please like, subscribe, and download the podcast where you get it. My alarm was going off in my ear. Hey, Joe. Yes, sir. We going to be back. Same time, same place on Monday. Talking about that good free agency. Talking about who got signed. As a matter of fact, I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to give my boy Le'Veon a call, man. We going to get him on here, man. We going to talk, man. Because if he don't do nothing to say nothing to him, if your boy Paul don't do nothing to say nothing to my boy Le'Veon, we got to bring him on here, man, and talk to him. And see, man, why is he ducking, man? Why is he ducking? Y'all, we be back here on Monday. 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