Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Skattebo's CTE joke , Malik Willis ready to thrive in Miami, Abdul Carter Changes Numbers
38 min
•Mar 23, 202625 days agoSummary
Deebo Samuel and Joe Thomas discuss NFL quarterback movements, jersey number selection traditions, and emerging player concerns including Malik Willis's humble approach to his Miami Dolphins opportunity, Justin Fields's journey through four teams, and Saquon Barkley's controversial CTE comments. The hosts reflect on their own career experiences with number assignments and the real health impacts of professional football.
Insights
- Humility and media discipline are strategic advantages for young QBs entering new situations; Malik Willis's measured responses demonstrate wisdom over arrogance
- Jersey number selection reveals organizational hierarchy and player leverage; veterans now negotiate numbers while rookies historically had limited choice
- CTE is a documented health crisis affecting 92% of studied former NFL players, requiring serious public discourse rather than dismissal as excuse-making
- Quarterback stability matters less than system fit; Justin Fields's four-team trajectory suggests coaching and offensive scheme alignment are critical success factors
- Long-term memory loss among former players is common and normalized, indicating widespread cognitive health impacts from professional football careers
Trends
Young QBs adopting humble, non-committal media strategies to avoid setting unrealistic expectations and managing narrative controlIncreased player agency in jersey number selection reflecting broader shift in player empowerment and contract negotiation leverageGrowing public awareness and discussion of CTE as legitimate health concern rather than excuse, driven by Boston University research showing 92% prevalenceQuarterback carousel accelerating with multiple teams cycling through starters annually, suggesting instability in QB evaluation and developmentFormer players openly discussing cognitive decline and memory loss, normalizing CTE conversation in sports mediaNFL teams accumulating massive dead cap space from failed QB investments, creating long-term salary cap constraintsBackup QB roles becoming viable career paths for capable starters unable to secure permanent starting positionsCoaching staff continuity (Andy Reid, Sean McVay) emerging as differentiator for QB success and player development
Topics
Malik Willis Miami Dolphins QB opportunity and humble media approachJustin Fields four-team QB carousel and career trajectory analysisJersey number selection and player agency in NFLCTE prevalence in former NFL players and health impactsLong-term memory loss among retired football playersQuarterback dead cap space and salary cap managementAbdul Carter number change from 56 to 3 with New York GiantsLawrence Taylor legacy and retired number requestsSaquon Barkley CTE controversy and public apologyAndy Reid offensive system and QB developmentNFL coaching staff impact on player performancePlayer humility versus arrogance in media trainingBoston University CTE research findingsDisciplinary issues and player maturity in NFLRookie QB expectations and pressure management
Companies
Miami Dolphins
Malik Willis signed as starting QB, discussed as team with multiple roster holes needing building process
Kansas City Chiefs
Justin Fields signed as backup QB with potential to start if Patrick Mahomes unavailable; team has Andy Reid system
New York Giants
Abdul Carter changed jersey number from 56 to 3 after Lawrence Taylor declined to allow number retirement
New York Jets
Justin Fields played for Jets in 2025; team lost $48M in cap space with Aaron Rodgers dead money totaling $104M
Pittsburgh Steelers
Discussed for Super Bowl history and Chris Boswell contract negotiations; hosts' primary team reference
Chicago Bears
Justin Fields played for Bears in 2023; made statement about being made to think too much on offense
Cleveland Browns
Joe Thomas played for Browns; discussed as consistently competitive despite roster challenges
Boston University CTE Center
Conducted study finding 92% of 376 former NFL players had some form of CTE
People
Malik Willis
New Dolphins starting QB praised for humble media approach and avoiding arrogance in discussing readiness
Justin Fields
Fourth team starting QB; discussed career trajectory through Bears, Steelers, Jets, and Chiefs
Abdul Carter
Changed jersey number from 56 to 3 after Lawrence Taylor declined to retire his number
Lawrence Taylor
Declined to retire number 56 for Abdul Carter; suggested he create his own legacy instead
Saquon Barkley
Made controversial CTE joke on podcast, later issued PR apology for tasteless remarks about head injuries
Patrick Mahomes
Chiefs franchise QB; Justin Fields positioned as backup with potential to start if Mahomes unavailable
Andy Reid
Discussed as elite offensive coordinator/coach who develops QBs; system praised for player success
Sean McVay
Referenced for exceptional memory and play-calling ability; example of coaching excellence
Coach LeBeau
Praised for exceptional memory and ability to recall detailed plays from decades-old games
Deebo Samuel
Co-host discussing career experiences with jersey numbers, CTE concerns, and player perspectives
Joe Thomas
Co-host discussing career experiences, memory loss, and NFL health impacts from playing career
Peyton Hillis
Wore number 40 for Browns; Joe Thomas paid $20K to acquire number 23 from Eric Wright
TJ Ward
Wore number 43 for Browns; referenced as looking good in 40s range jersey numbers
Charlie Batch
Recalled specific plays from Joe Thomas's career that Thomas couldn't remember; praised for memory
Michael Vick
Referenced as wearing number 7 in youth football; example of elite player in single-digit jersey
Quotes
"When pride comes, then comes disgrace. But with humility comes wisdom. This is a humble man. This is a wise man."
Deebo Samuel•Mid-episode discussion of Malik Willis
"I'm not going to set the expectations too high. I'm coming out here ready to go. I'm not about to have y'all put anything extra on me."
Malik Willis•Interview segment
"You got to kind of chill a little bit. You're already a first round pick. We already know you need to come out here and snap."
Deebo Samuel•Discussion of Abdul Carter requesting retired number
"My long-term memory is trash too. I don't know why, but it's been trash."
Joe Thomas•CTE discussion
"They found that 345 of them had some form of CTE. That's 92 percent of the players they studied."
Joe Thomas•Boston University CTE research discussion
Full Transcript
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend who's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. come together. Quarterback movement, surprise signings, we'll tell you what it means and who really wins. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search 40s and free agents, and listen now. I'm Miles Turner. And I'm Brianna Stewart. And our podcast, Game Recognized Game, has never been done before. Two active players giving you a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court. Nothing's off limits. We talk tanking. I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's like definitely happening. in the WBA. We talk about our mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey man, we got a call last night, man. You can't be rolling around the city like this the night before games. Check out Game Recognized Game with Stewie and Miles on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Kristen Davis, host of the podcast Are You a Charlotte? In 1998, my life was forever changed when I took on the role of Charlotte York on a new show called Sex and the City. Now I get to sit down with some of my favorite people and relive all of the incredible moments this show brought us on and off the screen. Listen to Are You a Charlotte on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Sino Show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor, cultural icon, Danny Trail to talk about addiction, transformation, and the power of second chances, The entire season two is now available to bench, featuring powerful conversations with guests like Tiffany Addish, Johnny Knoxville, and more. I'm an alcoholic. And without this group, I'm going to die. Listen to Sino's show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just know I'm a car from the New York Giants, brother. He changed his jersey number. I guess he revealed it after Russell posted. So, he is now going to wear number three. Making the switch after, of course, Russell departed. Yes. Carter went viral for requesting to wear a Giants legend, Lawrence Taylor's 56 last season, in which Lawrence Taylor respectfully declined. Get another number. I don't care if it's double zero and then make it famous. Yo. Yo. You got any issue with guys switching numbers and doing all that other stuff? You know, he had some issues last year. I guess he got benched twice for some disciplinary reasons, missing all that. I don't got a problem with people switching numbers. I don't have a problem with. My thing is, when you come in, though, I'm not asking nobody for no retired number that's out there already. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's retired for a reason. That man went and did that. Like, that's my talent. Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. So you go get your, like, you want to go set that legacy? Get a number, like, right on. He got 56. Try to get, like, 55. Or you want to step up one, 57. Something. And remember, be like, I'm going to make mine mine. The way Lawrence Taylor made him him. Like, I just, my thought, if I'm coming in, I just got too much respect. And you got to start your own. Like, you are you. You are you. You coming in as a rookie. Come set your own legacy. Set your own trajectory. You're trying to get on the field, see what the NFL is talking about. Get your feet wet. You know what I'm saying? Like, understanding the game. Like, I feel like that's just putting unneeded pressure on yourself also. Like, you're already first-round pick. You already got the target on you. Now I'm trying to go get Lawrence Taylor's jump, like, letting him know I'm here. It's me. I'm like this. No. You got to kind of, like, chill a little bit. For me. For me. My mindset is coming in here, I got to come figure it out myself. get my legacy going, get my feet wet, stand on my own 10. You know what I'm saying? Like that's just additional pressure. It's just, I feel like it's just, you didn't need it. It's unwarranted. And then that's good. Just make people look at you like, you already a first round pick. We already know you need to come out here and snap. And now you saying you're going to come take LT's number out of retirement? Oh my goodness. Like you, like, I mean, it just, it's just, you can't kind of be that good off rip. You can't, you know what I'm saying? You kind of out kicked your coverage trying to get something, you're putting something on your back that's like, they're not like, no, I know. You just don't do it. I just wouldn't do it. The extra pressure, ah, it's tough. Yeah, I don't care about the switching of numbers, dude. I don't really care. It is what it is. Some guys like certain numbers. They feel like they like it better, they play better, whatever it may be. Yeah. Joe, I didn't have that luxury, Joe. I was 42, 46, I believe 41, 93, and finally 92 after Jason Gilden left. And I didn't pick none of those numbers. You didn't pick none of those numbers. All those numbers was given to me, okay? I didn't have country. Dang, Debo. I'm requesting a number. Joe, I was cut. Debo. Bro, I was cut up like so much, brother. I could have bled the death from paychecks. They was cutting me so much, bro. They was just throwing my man a jersey. It's crazy. They were dicing me. Listen, bro. I'm in the 40s. You know I ain't have a chance. Nigga, flap that. Here you go. Take that one. What we got available? Here. What we got available? Put this on. Put this on. Here. Put that on. Put. Nope. Somebody else got that now? Hey. Put this on. You know what I'm saying? That nine-two stuck, though, D-Bo. Nine-two stuck. It hit. It hit. I ain't gonna lie, but I came in that when I first got to Cleveland they gave me number 5 for training camp and then I had to put on 40 they gave me 40 because I had to try to get a 20 number all of them was gone so then I had to go ahead and buy the number, so I had to get number 23 yes this is how crazy that is to me, Joe you was in the 40s I had number 4-0 for the first day First round draft choice. That's crazy. No, no, no. It was only for a day. It was only for a day. You know? It was only for a day because you paid money because you joke. Big money grip. OGs. What I was going to take everybody here was the older, you know? No, this is, no. And that's why I'm coming in. I got to come in that job. What you need? Hey, what you need, old man? Give me that number. What you need, OG? What you need? My man, Peyton Hillis. And he came through total, man, rock. You see, who'd you pay for that? I had to end up, I paid, Eric, I think I might've paid E. Wright. And then- How much? It was 20 bands. Woo! 20 bands back then. Oh, Lord. 20 bands. In 2010, 20 bands, 2010. What, you're arguing with 20 right now? 20 bands, 2010. 20 bands, 2010. But I got that 2-3. And then my man Peyton Hillis, they had to do a whole little working around who got the jerseys. And then Peyton Hillis ended up doing number 40. And then he goes, well, cover a Madden with that joint. you know the running back from the Browns. That was totally. That's crazy, brother. That's crazy, Joe. That's crazy, Joe. You, man, listen. 47, 48, 93. Then I ended up, when you see me in that game, that rookie card, 23. Okay? Know that. That really wasn't your rookie number, though. And then, look, they lucky because when we went to the league, you couldn't go single digit until probably a couple years. years ago. Ooh, would have went five on him too. I wanted to go five on him. Gator five at the corner. Ramsey looking sweet, holding it down. But I wanted that. I just want to have one NFL jersey, single digit, number five, hating on it, looking sweet. Bro, I'd have been wearing that 16. I ain't going to lie, man. 16 was like my high school and college. I would have been wearing that 16. I ain't going to lie to you, brother Joe. I ended up switching to a single digit number. My senior year in high school, I switched to a three. Man, I got to spend a three games too. I was like, yep, Nope. When you were younger, Debo, when we played Little League, you played Little League, boy, single digits was the most fire players on the team. You had to be a single digit. If you was number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, you were fire. So me and my brother, we would walk into the game. We would be looking. You see the single digits on the other team? We was a single digits on our team. We knew who was guarding each other. We knew who was going to be the quarterback, the receivers. The best dudes on the team normally had a single digits. So that's why we was always trying to rock. One or five or seven. Because when I started younger, boy, I was the quarterback. Michael Vick, seven. Yes. Yeah, them single digits, that's supposed to be your higher tier players. You know what I'm saying? You can't be giving a single digit to the dude that's second string. You can't be doing that. You know what I'm saying? Brother. You got some people that do it, though. It depends on who it is. I got lied to. I got lied to coming out of high school. Florida, they told me I was going to be a single digit. My rookie year, freshman year, you're going to be a single digit. Got there 12. God. We're super close. Super close. Almost. Yeah, after my freshman year. You're only three digits away. Three digits away. Freshman year, I started, and then my bubble call well ended up getting drafted. I said, Coach Meyer, I'm freshman All-American. Give me that five. I need that five. He said, yes, sir, Joe. You get that single digit. Boom. No question. Thank you. Sophomore year, I'm not taking this off. I would wear that little practice jersey around. Yeah. Y'all see me in this five. Dude, man. Hey, Joe, what that face look like when they hand you that 40? Show me the face you made when they hand you that 40, Joe. I didn't even laugh. I tried to miss it. I was like, who that face is? That's not mine. I know that's not my jersey. But I was like, yo, Joe, for sure we going behind me. I know someone. Hold on. A duck. I was like, oh no, that's my job? Hold on, Hayden on the back looking crazy. Big old 40. I said, nah. But then my man, TJ Ward, ended up rocking a 43 and he looked sweet. I'm like, hold on TJ, you safety, you look sweet. I said, nah, but I'm corner. This joint big as heck. This whole, this four, zero. You don't even look like you got no size in it. Bro, I need to have the four or the zero. Not both of them. Can't give me both of them. Can't give me both. So, man, Dolphins' new quarterback, Malik Willis. Rather, he felt like he was ready to be a starting quarterback a year or two ago. We got the sound for that. Listen to this. Did you feel like you were ready for this a year ago or two years ago? Or you needed the past couple of years to get to this point? I'm not sure. We only know until, you know. So I'm grateful for the opportunity now, and that's all I can say. I can't say whether I was ready or not. I can't prove that, you know what I mean? That would be just me being arrogant or prideful, you know. But the opportunity is here now, and I'm going to try to do my best to take advantage of it. How do you feel about that response? You like that response? You don't like that? How do you like it, Joe? Man, the dude's super-duper humble. I'm just getting dumb, humble vibes. I'm getting crazy humble vibes. He's super-duper humble. Yes, sir. I think that I like the way he's just, you know, hindsight, he just doesn't want to start saying stuff. He doesn't want to put his foot. He doesn't want to go try to take somebody's retired number. You know what I'm saying? He's basically going in here like this. Look, guys, ready for the opportunity. I can't say what I could have been back in the day. If it's the fifth, we all be drunk. I'm here right now, signed to the Miami Dolphins, and I'm ready to go. I'm in this position. I'm ready to go forward. Like, let's get it. All that backwards stuff that don't really make sense. That question, what do you mean, do you think I was ready? I could, whatever, but that's back in the day. I here right now with the Miami Dolphins signed ready to go And he not saying not trying to put any high expectations on himself I think that it just he ready to go He knows what is expected of him And this is just a guy that's like, I'm not about to have y'all put anything extra. No, that would be me just trying to say something. I'm just going to keep it quiet, keep it humble. Where now, oh man, I'm going to just get you guys on my side. That's how you start off with the media. I think he's really good media trained and he's just being a smart dude. I'm just really not going to set the expectations too high. I'm coming out here. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault in Our Stars. And now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. 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And the common denominator is that we have the same people with us since like 30, 40 years ago, right? Like we have a lot of the same homies that stuck around. Plus, the door always stays open for a third amigo to pull up a chair. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the My Cultura podcast network. available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know what I have to do. I have to go work, all that other... If I would just bring that... I'm not bringing up anything that has nothing to do with the Dolphins and be performing right now as the starting quarterback. So I like the way he did that. No question, Joe. I love the response, Joe. I love the response. Thank you. I'll go Proverbs 11.2. It said, when pride comes, then comes disgrace. But with humility, humility comes wisdom, Joe. And when you look at James 4, 6, I like James, okay? And 1 Peter 5, 5, both of them say, God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble. This is a humble man. This is a wise man, Joe. This is a man with humility. He understands he's not going to let his arrogance and prideful weight get in the way of a response. like, hey, that would be arrogance and pride for him. I love it, Joe. I love it. I like his mentality. You know, especially for him being the next quarterback of the, you know, Miami Dolphins. Hopefully he can turn into that franchise quarterback that they're looking for, you know, and the only thing that's going to determine that is the status of how he plays, how well he does it. Do you think they found their franchise quarterback? Yeah, I mean, time will tell. Like you said, time will tell. He only plays seven games. If he stays consistent, we'll see. How good is his line going to be? Is he going to be protected? I don't know. So, Miami, they got a whole situation they got to figure out. So, I like the offensive coordinators. We'll see if they put them in positions to win, if the running game is good. Like, it's going to be a lot of moving parts of Miami. Miami just isn't a, right now, we just need one piece and we're going to be amazing. I think they have a lot of holes on their team. So it's going to be a building process. But I think— He can still be a franchise quarterback. I mean, he's a franchise quarterback. They got a lot of pieces missing over there. Yes, yes. They got a lot of pieces missing over there, Joe. But we only got one missing, Joe. Joe? Joe Burrow. We only got one missing, Joe. Debo, you— One, Joe. You and Mr. Joe. I can't help it, Joe. You only got one missing. You know something. You know something. I don't know nothing. I'm just trying to speak it into existence, Joe. All I know is what I want. You know, if two come in agreeance, you in agreeance with me? I am in agreeance. Okay. Then it shall be done. It shall be done. The Lord said that. You funny. I'm just, hey, Joe. I'm with you. I'm just saying, Joe. I just talk when I talk. Let's go on over here to another quarterback that's been to a lot of places. Justin Fields could become the first quarterback to play for four different teams and start week one with a different team. 23, he was with the Bears. 24, he was with the Steelers. 25, the Jets. And this year, if Mahomes isn't back in time, 26 can be the starting fourth year for him with the Kansas City Chiefs. Joe, this is not a good stat I want to be a part of. I guess the Jets end up losing $48 million in cap space by letting him go when you add in Aaron Rodgers' dead money. So this year they had $104 million of dead money, which is third. Only, of course, two, Miami and Arizona. Tua and Murray killed them boys. Yeah. And then you know what they did? They went in on ahead and got old Geno Smith, who's looking like he going to be the starting quarterback at 3.3. Fields go to Kansas City and get $8 million. Damn. Ooh, but it looked like, bro, oh, my, this is real? Is that real? 2027. It's looking like they will have $150 million plus in cap space plus three first-round picks. bro 127 150 three first round picks bro that can make some moves don't go and think don't do woo 23 first rounds I ain't gonna say nothing because I don't want them to I ain't gonna say Joe how you Joe how you feel about Justin Fields being into his fourth team what do you think the trajectory of his career would be right now I mean I'm I'm not I love Justin Fields Great dude. Great person. They're about to say something negative. That's why he goes with the positive. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. This is what I'm saying. He's going to say something that he don't really want to say, but he's just going to say it. Go ahead. Yeah. It's because this is the fourth team that you're going to be playing on as a starting quarterback. You want to be a starting quarterback. This is the perfect opportunity for you to do it. You're in Kansas City. You know you're not going to be there. You're here for a good time, not a long time. Patrick Mahomes, that's his team in Kansas City. So you want to just be able to go there, show that you're a competent starting quarterback where, you know what I'm saying? It's good. They already have the team. They have Andy Reid. They're the Kansas City Chiefs. If you can come in there and just make it look good, make it look reasonable, make it just don't lose the game. You don't have to go out there and be Patrick Mahomes because you're not Patrick Mahomes. But you can go out there and be sustainable when it's run game. You got a new running back, making sure that they keep it ahead of the sticks. Use your legs when you need to. Hit the passes when you need to. We're not asking you to do nothing crazy, but just show that it's not your fault. You know what I'm saying? When you were in Chicago, when you were with the Steelers, the offense just – you were looking pretty good with the Steelers. It wasn't bad. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't my fault. It wasn't bad. Jets, I don't know. Hey, I'm going to tell you something. Like in 2023, when he was with the Bears, and then we ended up picking him up. I thought the move was a little questionable. The reason I thought the move was a little questionable is because in 2023, when he was with the Bears, he made a statement that he's – they're making me think too much. He just want to go out there and play. That statement right there told me that he doesn't want to read defense or he can't read the defense. And that was something that I was like, I didn't like. And it gave me pause of like, yo, is it a mind thing? Is it a knowledge thing? Because he has the skills to be able to play the position plus, you know, add a little something else to it, which, you know, which is his legs. But when he made that statement and just threw it off to like, yo, they're making me think too much. No, you just told me and told yourself that maybe the game is too hard for you to acquire. Maybe, but you're thinking it might be above the neck. When you say, I can see both ways. Maybe the way that they were presenting the message, You could be bad coaching. Like, you guys are telling me, I don't know what you guys are really teaching me. So I'm just looking at it now. You went to the Jets. So you went from the Bears to Steelers. And then from the Steelers to the Jets. And we had the same outcomes. I'm saying now he has his last. That's what I was saying. What I was saying, you got Kansas City with Andy Reid in that offense. So now I'm just looking like, if you don't do it now, it's not going to, where else are we going to go? You went to, you did, you've done it. You've done your job. You show now that I think it may be backup quarterback. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you think he's going to be able to take a team to new levels, I don't think so. If he's not going to be able to, like you said, you're only as good as you, what have you done for me lately? Yeah. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because the Bears ended up changing quarterbacks before they got Caleb right I mean changing coaches right Yeah Okay and then we changed and the Jets are the Jets So I mean it a possibility I'll give him something on that. I'll give him something on that. I'll give you some leeway on that, I guess. Got to. I mean, he don't got to, but we'll see. Yeah, yeah, we'll see for sure. We'll see. 2020? Scatterboot trigger, man. Oh, my goodness. He was asked by a host of a show, I guess, Bring the Juice podcast, if he thinks CTE is real. He said no, and it's an excuse. Wow. Scatterboo. Dan Wood presented with the premise that asthma is an excuse. Scatterboo agreed. No. That's a good take. He said, yes, asthma is fake too. You're soft. He later issued this apology right here. He said, recently I did an interview and had a lapse in judgment, which resulted in me making a tasteless joke about CTE and asthma. It was never my intention to downplay the seriousness of head injuries or asthma. I sincerely apologize to anyone who was offended by my remarks, and I assure you that I'll be more mindful and respectful going forward. Much love. Yeah. Joe, I thought it was a joke when I first saw it, but I know good and well he didn't write that. Who wrote that? PR. Okay, I'm just checking, because I ain't going to lie. I was listening to it, and I'm like, this got to be like satire or something, bro. This can't be real. Or his CTE kicked in. I mean, mine kick in sometimes, too, and I got to sit there and I got to think. I'm like, yo, is that me? or is that like arrogance and pride like dude was saying you know and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking like uh you know what I told you I like James man I gotta go back to James and it sends me back to James and I'm like yo James quick to listen slow to speak so I gotta slow myself down you know what I'm saying I'm just glad I'm just glad he backed off and like it's not dude it's not a joke you know somebody got to him obviously and he got a you know he got he got a realization and understanding i mean if you go back i think they did a study in what 2023 where they did 376 uh former players they found that 345 of them had some form of cte that's 92 percent of the players they found from a Boston University CTE center study, they found that, you know, a lot of, a lot of guys had some, some form of it. Joe, do you, you worry about CTE, bro? You worry about if you got a little bit? I don't think I got, I don't, I don't, I'm kind of... There it is. There it is. There's a CTE. It kicked in. There it is. So my... I mean, it got to be. It got to be. I think my memory, my long-term memory, for sure, is shot. I know that for sure. I don't know. My long-term memory, sometimes it's real spotty. My people, they got to tell me when we did some vacations or whatever. I'm like, I done did... But I'm like, is it because I done did so much stuff? You done did so many, Joe. Having a good time, just blessed. But when my friends that would remind me of things that we've done. I'm like, okay, I just need a refresher and then I can remember. You remember the time you got stuck in Mexico? I remember that. Okay, I'm just checking. I'm just checking. You good? That's more short term. That's more short term. That's more short term. But yeah, I think that people for sure, CTE is a real thing. People getting hit upside the head, dead serious. Deebo, it's honestly real, for sure. And some people have it more than others. It might spike. I don't know too much about like how people react and just moods and just feeling in certain type of ways and it has to be a lot of stuff too with just going to retiring and then not playing and then just a lot of things mental health to keep your brain a lot of stuff bro yeah so i still do a lot of what i guess i would call like brain health type stuff healing cognitive repair like it's just all all kind of stuff like that and a lot of uh i also take like uh neurotropics um you know and that's stuff that just helps you know your brain function memory mental energy learning attention all that other stuff you know i did a lot of that while i played too so yeah and i still you know i still do a great majority of it now especially you know with all the reports coming out of you know the CTE and what levels it is, all that other stuff. So, yeah, this is something that is 100% real. You know, I got to make sure I'm 100%, you know, aware and in play, especially, you know, with my kids, you know, because I can't tell, you know, sometimes I got to look back. I ain't going to lie, Joe, my long-term memory is trash too. Oh, for sure. I don't know why, but it's been trash. bro they was asking me some questions about something at the um super bowl nfl films was asking me questions about like something about like playing like whatever it was the game against i want to say it was uh green bay i'm like dude i couldn't tell you nothing about like the super Bowl like 2011 green but I'm like bro I don't know I don't know what and uh actually Charlie Batch was there and Charlie's like oh yeah this happened that happened and they're like well do you remember anything about you know sacks on Aaron Rodger I'm like I don't even think I heard a sack and Charlie's like yeah you did you got a safety on him at home I'm like dude when I'm like when like and I'm on camera buddy I'm John Green you may know me as the author of The Fault in Our stars. And now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist. 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He's like, Charlie just reciting and saying it. I'm like, I don't even remember this, dude. I'm like, yo, y'all put Charlie up here. Like, put him up here. You ask him the questions. He got the. He got the memory. Right. He got the memory, man. Like, super brand. You know who was actually, like, super, super, super, super good at that? Like, memory. he can take you back to like his playing days and sitting in a room with just whatever it may be talking to a guy. Yeah. Who? Coach LeBeau. Coach LeBeau's mental capacity, dude. Like crazy. Like this man played back in the day when Hamill was like It's the greatest I have ever heard or seen in life, dude. Like, it's wild, like, how well he remembers things. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Because I seen, like, the one I used to coach, Sean McVay, I know that man probably got a crazy memory. I know he was reciting plays and stuff all the time. Like, Coach LeBow down there, how old is he now? Almost mid-80s? He's still doing it. Still doing it. Bro, I call him right now. he'd be like, hey, Jay, you remember the time? I'm like, damn, I don't remember. Oh, yeah, I think I, you know, I gotta, I don't remember. I don't remember. You know, I'd be saying that too. You remember? I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I remember. Yeah, I remember. I don't remember. And then especially when it's something that's like like old me, you know what I'm saying? Like the dude that wasn't saved, I'd be like, I did that for real? You sure? You tried to actually eliminate that memory yourself. Bruh. Yes, bruh. Then you know, you might be out there partying, you know, a couple drinks on top of it. You're like, man, I don't know if I did. I might have. I don't know. Bruh. Debo. We got in the chat What we got in the chat Super chat Let check it out Take off All right Steelers need... Who we got? Liam... Liam 98.7. $10. Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. Steelers need to pay Chris Boswell. Yes. Pay the man. Pay the man. That's bankroll bars. Pay the man. So I call him bankroll. Every time. Hey, didn't they cut my man's pay at one point about a year or two ago? I don't know if they cut bankroll bars. Hey, chat, didn't they cut my man's pay about a year or two ago? Let me know, man. Let me know. I believe they did. I believe they did. Covered it. I believe they did. Is he on this last year or do he got two years left? oh bankroll yeah I think I think he got a year left let me see man bankroll boss but this is what I'm saying he can't go anywhere though we need boss we need boss oh no question bankroll boss four years as of oh man 2022 2022 He signed a four-year, 20. I think he's going to be, okay, we got him this year. He's still under contract. This is going to be his last year. Okay. In 2027, he'll be unrestricted free agent. So we got to give him a little something this offseason. A little two-year extension. Two. Brother. Back to the Super Chat. They go read him up, man. They're getting right. But I really believe they gave him a little bit of a pay cut, like, a while ago, man. I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. I believe so. I don't know. I could be wrong. I don't remember the bankroll bars. Hey, like I said, man, my long-term memory track. That's what I'm saying. You just be making stuff up sometimes. I don't know. I feel like, bro, I really feel like they had my man take a little cut or something, man. I swear I feel like that, dude. Like, I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I could be wrong, man. Covenant of Life. Seven. Oh, what? That's Covenant of Life. That's Covenant of Life. $10 Covenant of Life. Joe. She's talking about Burrow. I'm a chorus. Joe and the AFC North. The Steelers are the greatest. Joe? No, she's talking to you, Joe. You run that, Joe. Oh, okay. Joe and the AFC North. The Steelers are the greatest. I'm not trying to be funny, but playing for the Browns, did you ever see, did you ever say, damn, like Miles Garrett when being the worst team like the Falcons? Okay. Cover the life. I would always think, cover the life, that we was going to win. I never went into a season being like, oh, no, we got a terrible team. We always thought we was going to be able to win. Until we were mathematically eliminated. And then that's when you would be like, damn. we still won't go out here and hoot y'all like 3 and 8 and you think y'all got a chance bro we could win yes cause we're not getting smacked we weren't just going out there getting whooped we would lose by 2 lose by 3 flukishly lose like we could win I'm like why can't it just the ball need to fold our way one time it's not like you're just going out there getting blowed out so yes I did feel like we could win until we were mathematically eliminated it, then people got to looking crazy, and I'm like this, oh, man, this is not what it's supposed to be. Okay? Is that good? Okay, Joe, whatever you say, man. Look here, man. Covenant Light back again, $2. 43. Troy Palamalu. Best to wear the 40s. Yep. See? You could have wore a 40 and been okay with it, bro. No, that's a safety. There's no corner that's wearing number 40. If you're a safety, then you can wear number 40 and look sweet, like Troy Potomalu, like TJ Ward. But if you're a 40 at corner, you look like they're going to be throwing the ball at you a lot and going at your neck because they're like, oh, buddy got 40 in the corner. They must have just threw that to him like they gave Debo that 47. They gave me 42, 46, maybe even 48. 93. Okay. Okay. My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. It was never... It was never 47. Never 47. Okay. I just tried to get you to... I just tried to get you... That's just nasty. Yup. That's real disrespectful, Joe. That was just nasty of you right there, man. Like... coming to life back $10. She said, I tried not to come back to the Super Chat, but I had one more question. This for you, Joe. Oh, Lord. She said, Joe, please name all of the Super Bowl wins of the Pittsburgh Oh, I don't know. The score and who they played. I don't know all of them. I don't even know if I can cite that one. See, that's what I'm saying. You came out here crazy. I can tell you the ones we won. That was it. That was it. Detroit, that was against Seattle. See, you got Devo flustered. And who was it? Whoa. The Cardinals. I told you, bro. Remember, we tried. I got to go back in my Rolodex, and I got to see me playing and look at the team. And what was the score? I couldn't even tell you the score. Definitely. If we won, then that's why you won. I know we lost in 2010, 11. Look at Debo showing it right now. Showing what, bro? C-T-E. bruh that was a little bit maybe hold up man see now I'm about to go ahead and jump down your neck I'm gonna go ahead and see give it a shot come on give it a shot who you got score I know they beat the Cardinals the Cardinals that was my man cause I played with San Antonio Holmes toes hold on hold on they whooped Dallas Dallas Dallas okay Dallas twice maybe Dallas three times? I don't know. Wow. Debo, Debo, Debo. Hold on, I'll tell you in a minute. You call yourself. Hold on. You call yourself. Hold on, bro. Let me tell you. You call yourself. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Why don't you just look in the history? This question was for you. I'm trying to help you out. No. You got stumped by the question they tried to fry me. I'm trying to ask. I'm trying to help you out. No. No. I need, because how they going to ask me for a question that you're supposed to be to Mr. Stiller? All the Super Bowl wins are the Pittsburgh Steelers. Nope, nope, nope. She tried to put no on you. I can't even tell you. Okay. Let me get... Dang. Alright. So now, the Vikings, the Cowboys, you're right. Cowboys, Cowboys, Rams, Seattle, Arizona. That's only five. Minnesota Vikings. Minnesota Vikings. Okay. Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys. That was twice. Right. 76, 79. Then the Rams in 80. Yeah. Then the Seahawks in 06. And then the Cardinals in 2009. Yeah. Yep. Okay? Yeah, you got it right now. See, okay. Good Googling. Good Googling, Joe. I had to. Yeah. Because you couldn't. You didn't know. What's the score? You said Dallas. Is it Dallas? I said Dallas and Dallas. I thought it was three Dallases, though. You did do Dallas. You did do Dallas twice. You just got to remember that Seattle, the Seahawks won. And Minnesota Vikings in 75. Yep. So, D-Boy, I see you got it. Yeah, you just showed what was up. Bruh, you showed what was up too. What are you talking about, bruh? Wow. Like, listen, Joe, we got somebody that said, what is it? Carl Spackler87 this man said I will sell the naming rights to my first kid if we get your borrow he said he will sell the naming rights that boy is selling his whole his whole not sell it you gotta give it away give it away that show me that you don't want nothing from it but borrow dedication sacrifice show him some dedication to sacrifice. Joe Burrow! I let your boy You know what time it is. I let your boy. You going up there you talk to Mr. Brown you let him know you go ahead give me a call. Tell me what he said he want I jump on down there We can figure that out. 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