Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Mendoza vs. Shedeur + NFL Combine REACTION, Sonny Styles is LEGIT

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me, it's where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks, and we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to If You Can Hear Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search warrant. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of he said, she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I have done nothing except get pregnant by the f***ing bachelor. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're going to go and see what your Browns is doing. Your Browns over there, they got a CBS report. he said he has a higher grade on Shador Sanders than anyone in this draft class. Listen to this, bro. Yes. Is there a quarterback in this draft class better than Shador Sanders, in your opinion available? There is not, there is not in the end. Not even Mendoza. I have a higher grade on Shador than I did on anybody in this draft class. And remember people just here's, here's the funny thing about this draft class at the quarterback position, April 30th, 2025, everyone was saying, you know, Garrett Nussmeyer, K-Clubnik, Carson Beck, Arch Manning, you know, and a litany of others, and now everybody's speaking Spanish. Nobody mentioned Mendoza until all those other dozers that I just named flamed out. What do you think, Joe? You winning, Joe? Man, I'm with him. These people, at the end of the day, brother we soon forget Shador was going to go one or two it was him or Cam Ward it was pick your poison like I don't know what happens like when I look at it Shador has seen he threw for 4100 yards you can see the numbers of Shador versus uh they're both senior seasons both senior seasons and that's not that's not janky that's that's real rep he was doing that like in front of real competition. So when we were looking at Shador before he was coming out and everybody was projecting him to go either one or two, it was like, who you like more? Is it, is it, is like Cam Ward's work ethic just because he's not as flashy. He's, you know what I'm saying? He goes just, just he may, Shador may rub you the wrong way. But his gameplay, when you watch the tape, the way he throws the ball, he did not, that's not fluke. He didn't just like, he didn't, he didn't diamond chain himself to 4,100 yards. You know what I'm saying? He didn't know. Yes. swag itself to 37 touchdowns. Everything he did out there, all the balls he put on time, all the receivers, the way he executed the huddle. The way that he did, the way, my bad, yeah, that was actually crazy. All the passes that he did were actually amazing. But like, it just, it just baffles me how some people can go so, you can get the quarterback. It's just, it's a feeling thing. It's like, oh, I like this guy. Mendoza, he's a good guy. He's an energy dude. You know he's going to be, rah, rah, he's going to be right on time. He's going to not do nothing. He's going to say all the right, not do nothing wrong. Say all the right answers to the media, just very clean cut laced. But it's football. Shador didn't do anything in my eyes to change what happened from the last game he played with Colorado to the NFL draft. It was just bravado. It's him the way they just didn't like the way that he rubs people the wrong way. So that's neither here nor there, But I can understand 1,000%. If you were to look at, take the number, take the face off and just watch the film. You don't watch Mendoza and you watch Shador just go play. The tape, you're like, dang, this dude moves around in the pocket. He's throwing accurate passes. And he was supposed to be projected to go number one or number two. And then how the tables can turn. So draft class-wise, yes, I can see it. He was supposed to go number one or two in last year's draft. He just fell because people don't like him. Now, this dude, he wasn't projected to go in the first round of Mendoza. All those other back, all those guys they talked about didn't do well. They just didn't perform on the field where you should be evaluated at. So now he performed better than all of them. So now, oh, yeah, you just projected obviously the first round overall pick because quarterbacks looked at so high. All the teams that skipped over on Shador, Shador did not change the person he was on the field. It's just that off the field stuff that changed it a lot. So what he said, yes, I think Shador is better than Mendoza. But I think Mendoza is going to get an opportunity. He's a great kid the same way Ward did. He didn't look like too crazy. I think if Shador would have started the whole season, he might have looked better than – he would have looked better than Ward. You know what I'm saying? He had some times. He had a couple passes where – not a couple. He needs to take his time in the pocket. I think he steps up. Like that – keep falling back, that spin that he does. Hey, get rid of that spin. But you're still a rookie. If he would have been able to start the whole season as the number two overall pick, we'd have been looking, preaching a whole different tone to him going into his second year. So Mendoza, zero hate. I hope everything works out successful. He's going to be the number one pick. But same thing could have happened to Shador. Ward could have went one. He would have went two. It would have been a whole different story just watching his season, watching him go out through this year. So, yes, I think Shador is better than Buddy. And I don't think no quarterback in this class is better than Shador. I can't I ain't gonna lie I can't say nothing against it dude you know like thank you yeah I mean it is what it is man just looking at it you feel me it's not a strong it's not a strong quarterback class over here man it's just not that's just and that's just that's just what it is brother I mean two but they saying your guy over there Andrew Barry I guess analyst Scott Petrarch he says that they in line for some big moves, some trades in the offseason. He says, seems there to be more healthy market for wide receivers than when you're talking trades. I would certainly not rule it out. I think Andrew Barry will be active. He's shown a history of being active. What do you think? Do you think he's going to be active in there? You think he's going to get it done? You think he's going to find something, get something? Because, you know, they had a crazy rumor that he was talking about trading miles. They squashed that, though. So, you know, what do you think of this possibility of him making some trades to, I guess, get you one of those good reshavers? Bro, I think Andrew Barry knows we got a lot of money. I think that he believes, and this is the other part too. We have, when we talk about the Browns major moves, this is our last year with Deshaun Watson. that we have the guaranteed money, and then we have – so I think he knows with the quarterback situation, that's the only part that's kind of throwing me off because I don't know – if you're an owner and you're paying somebody $45 million, if he's healthy, I'm going to give him the first shot to be our franchise quarterback because this is the end of the $250 million. And the healthy Deshaun Watson, like, we still have Shador under a rookie contract. Competition, yeah. $45 million, there's going to be a quarterback competition. But if I'm leaning towards the $45 million guy to see what I can get out of the last year of what I own. Do you know what I'm saying? So I think with that being said, we need, obviously, offensive line is looking crazy because our whole line was up. Wide receivers. Big time, we need some wide receivers. I love the tight end. I love our running back. Keep the defense intact, but just honestly go heavy, heavy on the offensive side of the ball. heavy on the receivers, heavy on playmakers. Even like you said in a free agency, he's trying to go get some established wide receivers. Like my man, Jameis Wilson from the Lions. Like somebody, a deep threat, real legit number one. So receivers, line, cool. It's also a rumor that they may be looking at Malik Willis. No. No. No? No. No, we had, listen, we're sitting there with Deshaun Watson, Chidore Sanders, and we still got Dylan Gabriel. Like, I'm not, like, we still got, we got three quarterbacks right now. We don't need another quarterback to bring. Why would we bring him in Nick Willis? Obviously, we get rid of Dylan Gabriel, but I'm just, no, right now, we got Deshaun, we got Chidore, we have Dylan Gabriel. we have the room filled for the quarterback for the Browns for the next season. I know that might be the future or whatever, but we can talk about that next year. Come on, Joe. No, man. We're going to be able to figure something out. We got to see. You can't. No, no, no, no. One year at a time. I got you. I got you. I got you because it ain't no need to get Simpson because you're already. No, we need talent. We need receiver talent. Undeniable talent. You need undeniable talent. But we know we got talent. We have talent, but at certain positions. Yeah. Yeah. And don't get rid of nobody. I heard some crazy stuff. Don't get rid of nobody. Miles Garrett, chill. Denzel Ward, chill. Facts. I don't know. Maybe. Where is somebody willing to give up four firsts for Miles? You know. Hey, D, you said four. Four. You didn't. She's like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And there's no disrespect to Miles, but that's what we need. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. That's all I was saying. Brother, you know, I don't know who go. I'm asking something crazy, though. Like, yeah, I need all of those. And a James. I need all of those from the Lions and James Williams. Nah, they ain't going to give you all that. I don't know. No, it ain't going to be all that. Well, I'm going to ask. You're going to have to tell me no. They're going to have to tell you no. Speaking of the Lions, man, the Lions DC, Calvin Shepard, he said, Arnold, he said he need to be quiet and just play. Shepard said, I need him to be quiet and just play. Guys, you know, I don't know if the media, he said, I don't know if the media would like that because I'm sure T.A. gives you guys a lot of things to write on. I guess he got a podcast with Patrick Sertain. Yeah. Joe, a podcast. Do you think that would prevent a guy, especially in being in his second year? He's a sophomore. He slumped up, I guess, a little bit on that sophomore year. And then I think he got hurt, too. But do you think a podcast is really going to affect a player taking the next steps? So there's 24 hours in the day. So I don think a player doing a podcast will affect his play I would definitely highly not recommend it just because that that extra that you don really need when you a young player You kind of want to keep the main thing the main thing. I hate to be like, you're just strictly a football player and then you can't, you know what I'm saying, do your side stuff. But when you're doing your side thing about football and it may be affecting the locker room and especially when you're a young dude, that's just a lot of pressure. I kind of want to stay out of the way, do your job, keep it going, because the league, you're trying to get your second contract. Like you're a young dude. You're in your second year in the league. So I would want to make sure like as much, they're trying to find reasons not to pay you. And if you're Patrick Sertan, Patrick Sertan making $40, $35 million a year, and he's balling every week. So I know my man, TA, he probably, he's still, I just don't want, I just wouldn't want the negative energy to come at him for doing that. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Joe, listen. None of this might be an issue anyway, bro. The front page of the Detroit News right now says Lions Arnold tied to robbery and abduction? That's this morning, dude. Well, I'll tell you this. They're trying to... Dude, I hope this is not true. Yeah, I hope that's not true. All we talking about right now, that ain't going to much matter. Are we talking about that he got robbed? No. Or he is tied to a robbery and abduction of another. Okay. Joe. Yeah. Oh, my. So the podcast. We send this to you, buddy. Wow. so what but let's just yeah let's pray that look at it joe you see it that's a sentence to you brother that's crazy that's front page dude this morning bro that's not sports bro that's front page oh yeah i mean that's crazy to put that up there and it not be any type of like you killing this man's character, reputation. That's guilty. This better have some weight to it, bro. If they don't, he need to go ahead and, whew, buddy Suda breaks up off that. But if it does, oh my goodness. Lord, Lord have mercy. They ain't gonna have to worry about him being quiet and just playing. That is not. Yeah, man. That's a lot more than what we was expecting to talk about, about my man's, the broadcasting. Wow. That's wild, bruh. Bruh, speaking of wild, speaking of wild, over there at the draft, they say they got the athlete of the decade, the best athlete they've seen out there in the last 20-something years. So, Sonny Styles, hey, he done generated a huge buzz over there in the 2026. NFL scouting combine with his performances, dude. This man got a full, full, 640 tied for first. He got a 1.56 10-yard split. That's tied for first. 43.5 vert. That's tied for first. And 11-2 broad jump. That is first. God. Hey, Joe. The man, 244 pounds, Joe. Your specimen, Joe. That man's a freak, D-Bo. Your specimen. Man's a freak. What is his, uh... What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins. And if you can hear me, it's where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life. Celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to If You Can Hear Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict? A villain? A nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's, a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022 I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search for it. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of he said, she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I have done nothing except get pregnant by the f***ing bachelor. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's fine. Just some action. What does tape look like? O-State. You know what his tape look like. I know his tape look crazy. Okay. Stop playing with me. Okay. You know I went to the O-V. Okay. University of Ohio State. You out here lying to the people. Right. Listen, the records got burnt up. When I was there, the record building, it got burnt up when I was there. And then I ended up having to go to Kent to finish. But I was there. I was there. Sonny style. All I tell you is this. This combine is ridiculous. Stats crazy. Joe. Bro. What was your combine numbers, Joe? Man, my combine numbers, man, I had a bad combine. I had a bad combine. I don't like... Joe, what was your numbers? Man, my 40, I had a strain back because I did the 40. Joe, God in the Lord, Joe, can you give me your numbers, please? Do I got to get the book out and start writing down for this? It was a 4-5-2. 4-huh? 4-5-2. That's what I tried to tell you. I need to give you the preference because I ran with a strain back. But then I ran 4.37 at my pro day because that's my real 40 time. That was hand time. Go ahead. Shut up. So then I did 225 18 times. I had about a 35 and a half. And then I did 10.6 broad. But let me tell you this. Let me tell you this about the combine. What you want to tell me, Joe? I can't stand the combine. They treat you like cattle. Okay? They treat you like cattle. They run you up and down. You got to do the little dog and pony show. You do all the meetings, all the interviews with all the teams. It was very, very stressful. Okay? And then when I did my bench, I strained my back. But I'm fast. And I knew I was going to run 4-3. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to go ahead and run regardless. because the team's like, Joe, you going to run, you going to run. I'm like, man, that's what I do. I'm fast. That's what I do. So I run. I go out there during D-Bow. I run a 4-5-2. So sad. And that kind of messed up my whole head. But when I left the combine. How did that make you feel? It made me feel really bad because I thought I messed up my draft stock. And I'm like, end of the day, the eye in the sky, the tape don't lie. I'm in the SEC. I'm guarding A.J. Green and Julio Jones. practicing every day versus Percy Hartman. Do y'all think this is fake news of me covering these dudes? Look at the SEC championship. That's me and Julio. Strive for stride. Fade ball, one-on-one. Dig route, I'm on them. You know what I'm saying? So you used your past to help build and motivate you, make you feel good about your future. Yes, but I say that to say I don't like when teams put too much emphasis on combined numbers. How does that make you feel? Especially when you ran how you ran, knowing that you were in injured position. When I ran how I ran, I was stressed. I was sad. Pissed. You think that affected your performance? I think that made me make sure I locked in. I didn't watch SportsCenter for two months. I didn't watch TV for two months. Me and my dad went to the training room, and we were locked in, and I just trained and trained for the pro day. And when I went out there and had the pro day, it was one of the sweetest pro days. at Florida's Pro Day, me, Tebow, Dunlap, the Pouncey Twins, everybody out there. Yeah, that joint was jumping. Mike T was out there at joint. Mike T was like this, hey, Joe, I ain't going to lie to you. You going too early. I'm going to draft too late for you. I said, ah, my bad. It's all good, Mike T. I might see you in the future, coach. You know what I'm saying? I was talking to folks like that at the Pro Day, Tebow, so that's when I got my swag back. Who did he take that year? That's when I got my swagger back. Huh? I said, who did Mike take that year? Y'all took Pouncey at 16. And I went seven to the Browns. You went to the Browns. How did you think that turned out? Who do you think got a better deal on that? How does that make you? You know what? I'm glad everything worked out for the way it did, because I went to the Browns, and the city showed me the craziest love, and I grew up in Cleveland. You know what? I will say that they are some supportive friends. Man, that city showed me so much love. That's why I love Atlanta the way I do. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they stick with y'all no matter how trash you are. Man, look, and it's not their fault. All the coaches, all the different training rounds. I'm walking in there. I'm like this. I'm like this. I'm like, oh, yeah. You know what? I'm going to win it here for sure. I'm going to bring us a championship. You want to know my... That's what I thought. Hey, you want to know my draft numbers? My combine numbers at the combine, Joe? What? I ain't getting invited. You ain't getting invited. You know why they ain't invite me, Joe? You want to know why they ain't invite me? Because they don't know you. They ain't know. They ain't know. They came and did my pro day, Joe. And they was like, no, we can't invite him. We invite him. We go go ahead and put him in a position that's going to make him look better than what we got here. I was running a 4-3-5, Joe. I had a 4-6-5 vert, Joe. You did that on pro day. That was hand time. That was hand time. This right here was electronic. And that was hand time. And you hand time. I was 11-9 on the broad, Joe. Ain't no, Joe. You didn't run the 4-3-5. I would have been the shortest and heaviest player to ever do it. You, that is for sure. You the shortest, strongest, heaviest player to do it. That's a fact. But you was not running 435 electric. I'd be damned. Get out there. Joe. Joe. I was running track, Joe. I was, listen, Joe. I don't give a... I was running a... Listen, Joe, listen to me. I'm not listening to you lying to me. I was running a 10, 6, and 100, Joe, on cinders. 10, oh, shut up. 40 6 I knew you was lying You said that 435 electric you get out of here Get out of here I done with you So they were scared to put me in there I believe you on that You the shortest, strongest man, and they were scared to put you in there. They were scared. They were like, we don't want all these records broke. Well, you would have went first round. You would have went first round. They ain't want, listen, listen. They ain't want that. They ain't want that. That's what they ain't want. They're like, we can't have nobody from Kansas City going at the first pick in the first round. It was hate. It had broke the combine sheet. Every record done. What you would have hit on the bench? Honestly, 225 coming out. What you would have hit on the bench? Oh, at least 40. At least 40. Okay, I like that. At least 40. I hit 18. I was too strong, too powerful. They changed rules for me, Joe. I hit 18. I hit 18. National Football League said, hey, they hitting too hard out here. They said them boys hitting too hard. They said we got to do something about that. They tried to make me the poster boy, Joe. Because you was trying to get you work. They're talking about player safety. It wasn't about no player safety. You bums was trying to get 18 games back when you did the 2011. Y'all had that in the frame for trying to get 18 games then. And then you went and got the 17 games. And after you got the 17 games, the guys' pays didn't increase. You said, hey, we know you signed the contract under 16 games, but we're just going to split it into 17 games. Don't get an extra pay. And they're going to do the same thing to y'all when you go to 18 games, and they're going to split it again because we have, y'all have, no leadership. That's why you need me. That's what Debo needed to bring it around, Debo, to the NFLPA needs you right now. Hey, I'm James Harrison. I'm running for executive director of the NFLPA, and I improved this message. Let's go, Joe. Hey, Joe, look here. I don't approve this, though. I don't know what was going on. Before I even get started, I don't know what was going on. But NFL Network cameras caught Aaron Glenn. Oh, my gosh. Looked like he might have been catching the nap. I don't know if we can show that or not, but it kind of looked like he might have been catching the nap. We probably can't show it because it's NFL. You know what, J.A., don't we? He might have been just resting his eyes. Bro, I'm going to tell you one thing. That combine, he was up. Oh, he been there. He been there. Somebody got to give my dog, A.G., a coffee or something, or he just need to take a little quick power nap. But I know one thing. He's fully in it. That's a man in exhaustion. That's a man that is fighting for sleep. He's sleep deprived. Okay? And that's what I wanted to see. It's a lot, man. I mean, that's a lot. I mean, that combine is a lot. How many of them fall asleep, though? Was they just targeting my guy? I mean. Did they just target my guy, man? Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I don't know. Listen, listen. I don't know what you got to do. I don't care. how long you been up, whatever you do. You can't do that. You cannot close your eyes in front of them cameras when you are three and 14. Or like a long blink either. You can't even blink long. Bruh, that was, hey, it was down. What he should have did. He should have. He blinked. When he was like this, he should have stayed there because he caught the camera looking at him. And what he should have did was just a quick glance up like this and put his eyes back down like he was looking at something. But when he did the switchover, that kind of thing, They was like, oh, yeah, we might have got him. You should have put some food in front of yourself and then thought like he was praying. I could have been looking at something like right there, like I was reading it as it was going on. I had needed to see. So I go ahead, hit the quick glance up, see they looking at me, look back down and then be like. Yep. Or, or, or, or these. Nah, Joe, you can't do that. You can't do that that far away and make like you're looking at the combine, Joe. Ah, dead giveaway. Hey, you can't do that. Hey, Joe up there watching the combine like this. Man, sleep. Yeah. And why they only show him? I'm sure it was at least two, three of them up there sleeping doing the same thing. There's 3,000 cameras in that joint, man. You got to know when to hold them and fold them. Hey, they locked in on him, though. Why they lock in on him, though? Solo. Man, listen, because they be jumping suites at the Combine. So, like, if you sitting there, you're exposed. They be jumping suites, camera. Bing, there we go. We got the Titans coach in there. Ooh, okay, bam, bing. Oh, we got the Jets coach over there. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that worked. You know, I didn't. Yep. See, I could teach you a thing or two about the Combine, and I could tell the shit I told AG, head on the swivel. Head on the swivel. The Netflix, John, did you bing? You think this a big deal or no deal? No big deal. I ain't going to lie to you, D-Bo. is definitely not a good deal. Because, like you said, it's optics. It's optics. I don't care how tired you are. Like, in meetings, you just can't be sitting there just, boom, gone. Like, hold up now. You know what I'm saying? Wake up. Stand up. You know what I'm saying? We got to look. We got to look locked in. We can't just be looking sleepy. You can't look sleepy. You know what I'm saying? You got to look intensive. You got to keep some ammonia. Got to keep some ammonia in your pocket. Smelling jokes. pop that dance. Wake up. Because just know when you step in that camera doing that. See, then you got to think about that. What's going on? I wanted to make sure I was right and seeing what I was seeing because I was so excited about it. I'm just turned up for these 40s. I just love it. I got to see how his feet planting and turning. If he's splaying his feet, if he's turning them in, if it's straight, heel, toes. The combine, bro, I ain't going to lie to you. I feel like it just shouldn't, they shouldn't take it as serious. Not as serious, I'm talking about it's good for the number. Watch the tape. The tape don't lie. But if it's going to show you like, to confirm what you've seen. I'm just saying. Hey, Joe. Yes. So you did get better numbers after they did the hand time, right? Yes, way better numbers. Okay. Because I'm really fast. Joe, I'm just asking you a question. Why are you attacking me? I want to make sure I'm stating this factually. You keep attacking me. Joe, I'm just making sure I'm stating this factually. So your combine time really didn't hurt you. It didn't. Okay. It didn't. Your tape did the talking. Yes. That's a good thing. That is a good thing. They did a good job. Yes. Because I don't lie. It was one DB that was coming out that I knew. We just need to get him off the board, and then it's going to be your boy Joe. And that's why I'm a man. I can admit it. That man, you know Eric Berry? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, Eric Berry, Scary Berry, Tennessee volunteer. He could have got the Heisman when we was coming out of college. He was so fire at Tennessee. I was rooting. Well, he was mad. He was doing his thing. And I knew one thing. Just let Scary Eric Berry get off. They got picked him at five to the Kansas City Chiefs. And then I was back there like, anybody needs a DB, you can call on Jody. Call on Joe. Call on Joe. Call on Joe. And Cleveland called on Joe. They did, man. Joe went there and had him a Hall of Fame career. Oh, beautiful thing. Beautiful thing. Never won a playoff game, though. But it was a beautiful Hall of Fame career. Woo! I love it, Joe. Well, okay. Yep. What? No, I appreciate you. Yep. I don't even want. I'm not even going to. Why I feel like you. What's the problem, man? You always got to say. What is the problem, Joe? You always want to say. Tell me what's the problem. Because you want to. I don't even want to say what the problem is. Because you're going to say, I'm just stating facts. Never won a playoff game. But you know what? It's just, you always want to say a little something. Joe, I'm not. I don't know why you tripping, bro. You make like, I'm doing this. I'm not doing this. I can't do this by myself. You know? Like, you didn't have a team around you that you needed to get it accomplished. A thousand percent. You know? That's what I'm saying. Yes, yes. And I did. I can't. What you want me to do? I don't want you to do anything, Debo. I don't want you to do anything, but don't address my playoff record again. I mean okay please that's what I would just ask I'm sorry I'm sorry I didn't win a playoff game Debo and Joe show Debo now we know now that we let the air is clear could you please stop with that I do not understand why you get so offended like why tell me why because the goal of the game Joe is you play to win. You play to win the game, Joe. And you won games. Yes. You won games. Beautiful thing. You won games. What? You play to win. Ultimate goal is the Lombardis. And you got two of them. And I'm happy for you, my co-host, Brother Debo. And you deserve it. And I've been, you know what I'm saying? Like, I've been thanking the Lord so much for so, I've been so blessed. 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The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? I've just been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's crazy, Joe. It's crazy. But, hey, Joe, you got that paper, though. You know what I'm saying? Look at your house. My Internet, it don't work. That's it. Yep. You know? Yep. You know what? I mean, I ain't got to never worry about having myself in Mexico when something goes down. I can't afford to go there. I can't afford to go there Joe Ah Okay I'll take it I'll take it Hey Hey Beautiful thing But hey bro I know we ain't did this in a minute bro And it's been a mini moons But Joe What we got You know At time of the air Time for Play of Fade Presented by Prize Yo, Joe. Yo. The combine going on, Joe. That's crazy. We went all ahead and the staff, they cooked up a lineup for 40 projections, dude. Okay. And we, and you and I can either choose to play this or fade these picks, Joe. Now, you got Caleb Downs. They are saying less than 445. What do you say? That's a good number. I think he can be faster. I'm going to go faster. I agree. I agree. I'm going to go faster. I'm thinking something like maybe a 443, 442, something like that. That's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. Then you got Zachariah Branch. they saying below so we're talking about 435 so he supposed to be a burner less than 435 where you at with that Joe let me give you some inside scoop give me some inside scoop on bro the boy ran a faux faux in high school as a senior oh he he ran a faux faux in high school school as a senior. As a senior. Okay. All right, better. Let's do it. I got to ride with that. Let's do it. Let's do it. I got to ride with that. Now, listen. Carson Beck. There ain't no way in Flippity Gym that Carson Beck is that slow. It has to be less. At least I'm thinking 0.7.9. Okay. 4.7. Yes. I think Carson Beck, he's athletic enough for sure. No question. And over in this quarterback, supposed to be running a 4-4-7. We got, we got, we got, we got Haynes King, the quarterback. They're saying more than a 4-4-7. What do you think, John? Oh he definitely going to run over a 4 You say he going to be more So you think he going to run a 4 Yeah he going to run a 4 So you going to play this Only thing I'm hearing you, Debo, is, buddy, when you're talking about he running a 4-4 as a senior in high school, is that a 4-3-5 at the combine? Electric? That was high school, dude. That was like four years ago. You telling me? That was at the Under Armour. That was real. Oh, okay. That was Under Armour. Okay, okay. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, C's a real burner. Yep, let's get it then. So you go play this. Let's get it. Yep, I'm going to play this. I'm going to play this. You play this, Joe. I'm going to have to fade it. You going to fade it? I got to fade it. I believe Haynes King, I think he going to pull out there with a 445. I got to fade it. See, you know what? See, I'm going to have to. That's why you able to pick and choose. You see what I'm saying? I'm going to play it because. Pick something that you like. The only one. Pick something that you don't like. Make your own picks. You know what I'm saying? My man from Ohio State. If he come out there and run under there for that too, he going. He already going about top 10. You ain't listening. That's what I'm saying. Pick, choose. That's why you do your picks how you want to do it. You can do it how you want to do it. All you got to do is make sure that you go in there, baby. And you know what to do, Joe. Come on. Hey, download. Download the app. Download the app, baby. Deebo and Joe. Hey, listen. And once you download the app, use the code Deebo and Joe to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. That code is Deebo and Joe to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Let's go. So I'm going to be watching in the 40s. I'm going to watch Caleb. I'm going to tell you. He went under that 4-5. he made himself that he already made himself though because he did it on film like he's supposed to do and now he just checking boxes I'm telling you he gonna put it out there I'm seeing even if you don't do it I'm seeing that I'm seeing 44 443 442 maybe wanna get to some of these yeah let's get to some of these super chats baby we got oh we got a dude back Makai what is it Makai Randall for three, $10. He said, Joe, glad you're back home. Thankful to see you today. Hey, Joe. Yes, yes, yes. Can you tell us how you got signed to the Jordan brand and was it a good signing? Debo, would you push for your sons to play for the Steelers? How'd you get signed to the Jordan brand, Joe? Man, I had a, my PR crew, they ended up reaching out to Jordan because I was trying to get, I was with Nike when I first came out. Jordan was not rocking with me. It was just kind of hard to get in touch with him. So I played my first three years and I'm like, look, my agent couldn't get me in touch with him. So I reached out to Usain Bolt's agent. I was like, anybody that can get me with Jordan, please. And she ended up having a relationship, went out to Mexico, met with MJ, and they let me into the brand. So that was how that worked. It worked out real smooth, and that was a great relationship. Nike got so many different clients. Like Nike, over the NFL, they just got them, not all the players, but majority of them. Jordan, they only probably had like 20 of us in the league, so we were getting the shipments, the different shoes coming in. They was giving us the Nike account, so we got money on there to get to the family. So that Jordan plug was crazy. Yeah, buddy. I don't know what that's like, bro. I couldn't get no shoe deal, nothing like that. Hey, Shaq, Shaq, Shaq, I need a shoe deal, man. Let me get some of them Shaqs. Bro, you definitely can get a shoe deal. Hey, would I push for my sons to play for the Steelers? I would push for my sons to play for anybody in the NFL. That would be a blessing. And I would hope they would be far, far greater than I and just destroy anything that I did. And they would say, you know, his daddy used to play too. You know, he did all right. That's how I want them talking about me because my sons play so tremendously way. For sure. Man, your daddy wasn't nothing compared to you, for sure. That's what good fathers are supposed to want their sons to do. Yes. Covenant life back, 5-0. She said, praise God, our Joe is safe. She said, we love you and was praying. James got a little choked up. No, I didn't. Yeah, you did. Hey, man, Deebo, love your boy, man. I was ready to step in. I know you do, bro. I know you do. You ain't got to tell everybody, dude. I know. I know. I love you, bro. I know, bro. I wasn't going to get choked up. I had to make some calls. You know what I'm saying? For sure. You had to make sure you was all right. Coming to life back again. $5. She said, how can we be a legendary fan tribe with poor ratings like that? Who creates these report cards? so basically nothing has changed since four rings no it's changed it's changed a lot so the big issue is we share a facility or the still is shared facility but half the facility is shared with the college and that means half the fields out there are shared with the college so it's really nowhere to expand right now locker rooms have went from you know what was used to be 53 players now what is it almost 65 70 players now in there you know it's to the point where you actually got you know lockers sitting in free space just you know because it is no room nowhere to put them bathrooms it's nowhere to expand out through um you could try and expand like towards the field but then you can't do that because you end up losing the field so i i just really think the stillers need to be able to get their own facility and it will be able to change you know that aspect of it yeah but other than that it's it's nothing believe me it's a big change from when i came in my rookie year my rookie year joe we used to work out on a outside weight room that was on the field the field used to be a part of it used to be a baseball field so the weight room was planted on the practice floor yes the weight room was on hardwood platform just sat down platform on top of the baseball diamond you go in the tent outside and you know how hot it is It is. That's how you're working out, bro. Yeah, man. The locker room, metal cage is this big, bro. And there was no AC in there. You used to have to bring an AC and put it in the window. The first year I got there was the first time they actually had Central Air. Because they got those buildings. Those buildings were new then, in 2002, 2001, something like that. Like, they didn't have that whole locker room area, none of that. They had none of that. None of that stuff was there, bro. It was crazy. So you're right. They are doing better. And we said, who's creating the report cards? Ain't it the players? Yes, sir. Yeah, the players are creating the report cards. Yeah, I mean, so they know. Most of these report cards have been accurate. Like, you see what it is. And I think some other teams make other teams look bad. Because when you got teams that look like the Ritz Carlton, then you got teams look like, you know what I'm saying, a little Motel 6 jump. it's just it's like they're not trying to knock Motel 6 but I'm saying there's different classes there's reasons why there's five star hotels and there's reasons that there's motels so like yeah we got Covenant Life back $20 said Debo I saw a clip where RC said he would tackle Derrick Henry Henry was looking at him like it was a joke I believe RC would one hit would one hit a quitter his ass what'd you say 2008 Steelers defense all should receive a goal jacket. Hey, I ain't going to say he go one-hitter quittering, but he damn sure going to stop him. That's 100%. Now, if he catch him on that cut and he just now getting square, RC got a full head of stand, yeah, I think he might get him to drop to a knee, come out a play or two. Depending on the angle, depending on the time. He's coming with that funk. He's coming with it. He don't care. Don't care. He's going to put himself to sleep too. Hey, no question. Listen, I tell everybody this. To put somebody to sleep. You got to be willing to put yourself to sleep. You got to be willing to go to sleep. A thousand percent. I'm willing to go to sleep, Joe. Yeah, no, no, for sure. I'm willing to go to sleep, Joe. Bruh, I will put myself to sleep. I was ready for it. No question. Not in the bag, but that's it. You got to live. we got covenant life back again. Covenant life, you don't give anybody else a chance? Covenant life, we appreciate you, $50. Covenant life. She said, country club Will Howard needs a chance. He's a baller. As the road tie fan, Ty Simpson is okay. He really didn't have a great, he really didn't have great targets, but Will Howard is the truth. If we're going to do anything, get a veteran like Rogers and keep it moving. Howard, please. I agree. but if we keep Rodgers, we won't see Will. That's the only thing. If we go get a vet, they're like this. Okay, we're getting a vet to steady the ship. I'm like this. We don't need a vet to steady the ship. We need to see what Will going to do. We got to see what Will. We got to go get somebody else that's going to be a dog because there's no steadying of the ship. That's just basic. Like, no, we need to get that offense back popping. If you're getting it moving, like – Because you're never giving him an opportunity. I don't see Aaron Rodgers coming in there and saying, oh, hey, I'm going to come in and be the backup. Just in case Will doesn't work out. I just don't see that happening. So, I think we're at a point where, you know, we go see what's going to happen. Sink or swim. And that's going to be, I mean, that's a whole lot. But if Rodgers come, dude, he's not going to get a chance. So, we won't even see. We'll be sitting there wondering what happened unless, you know, something happens and, you know, Rodgers can't go. You know, I don't wish injury on nobody, so I don't want to see that happen or have that be the circumstances of which, you know, we get a chance to actually see him. Yeah, I don't want it to be injured because A-Rod is an IR. Coming to light back again, she said, Joe. Oh, so I go. She said, now you say, can I see the jersey you're going to send me? and when can we begin to purchase Debo and Joe hoodies, t-shirts, mugs, actually like the jersey you have on, Joe. Oh, I thank you. You know what I'm saying? A.I., Allen Iverson. You know what I'm saying? Finals, Joe. You heard what she said, Joe. Yeah. She want to see the jersey you go see in, Joe. That's going to take me a little, you know what I'm saying? I got a little square foot. It's going to take me a minute. I got to go downstairs. Oh, my house too big. Oh, my. Hey, his house too big. Sorry. Cover the light. I probably... Cover the light. Hey, if I reach here, I'm going to hit the kitchen. If I reach here, I'm going to hit the living room. If I go over here, if I go over here, I... You're a liar. You're a liar. You're also in your office. Joe, I'm telling you, my bed's right there. You're also in your office. Joe, everything within arms. No, I don't want to hear that. Joe, I wake up and I come over here. Yeah, yeah. And I go out there and I go right there to the bathroom. When you moved it to your iPhone. It's only a half bathroom, too. I take a bird bath every day, Joe. I promise you this. I can't afford a full bathroom. I don't even want to... I don't know how I'm going to do it because I want to send it. I'm going to send it. I'm going to send it this weekend. Should I go get it? I'm sending mine as soon as I leave the show. It's already ready. It's already packed up. All right. Bet it. It's already packed up and ready. I'm going to see what she get first. I'm going to overnight mine. Joe, we... Look here, Joe. It's 1235.8. Sorry. Oh, we got to get it. We got to get it. over people, but, you know, we got to talking and walking, and that's what happens. Listen, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please like and subscribe and download where you get your podcast, Joe. Yo, we will see you back. Guys, telling you right now, I'm back. I'm safe. Thank you for enjoying me, and we will see you here on Monday. No, Joe. Huh? We gonna see him here tomorrow on Saturday. No, I'm lying. We'll see y'all on Monday. Well, you had me, y'all. We out. I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him. If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, a.k.a. neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can scroll the headlines all day and still feel empty. I'm Ben Higgins, and If You Can Hear Me is where culture meets the soul. Honest conversations about identity, loss, purpose, peace, faith, and everything in between. Celebrities, thinkers, everyday people, some have answers, most are still figuring it out. And if you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to If You Can Hear Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, The Case of Lucy Let Be, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? How did this have been made to fit? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. 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