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Fernando Mendoza, Brock Bowers, Ashton Gentie, Colton Milder comes back. Defense, they were banged up, but they've Max Crosby's obviously elite. Let's just talk about the offense. Is Fernando Mendoza a good fit for Clint Kubiak? I don't think that's what Darnold was. I don't think they're the same kind of player. Is Kubiak and Mendoza, does that work immediately to you? It works. I mean, I think we should start with the jumping off point and I hope we've learned from the same Darnold situation. Like, talent is talent, right? And I really like Fernando Mendoza. He's tall, he's 6'5", 220, he's got mobility for his size, he's got a lot of energy on the ball and he's smart. If we're talking physically, he's not some of the guys we've seen in the last few drafts. He's not Caleb, he's not Jayden, he's not Drake. He's not even Cam Ward. So there's that to unpack, right? And then the other part is what you're asking here is the fit. I think he can be a good fit. I mean, with Kubiak, you're talking about kind of his touch in 2025 on the Shanahan system, right? Outside zone, play action, on the move, bootlegs, getting the ball out, they want to be physical and run the ball and they've got the running back to do it. They've got to improve their offensive line. There's some things that have to fall into place. I think off of play action is where Mendoza does a lot of really good work. Now it's an adjustment to the play action off the outside zone versus kind of the RPO stuff he was doing in Indiana. But both, I mean, he's used to Kubiak, a quarterback who can be over aggressive. And he was able to manage that in Sam Darnold. You'll say, well, during the regular season, he didn't. Yeah, but in the playoffs, he did. And you can see Sam Darnold continue to grow and develop. And he had his best game of his career, the second to last outing in the NFC championship game. So I think you'll see a lot of that. And it's the same thing. When I watched his tape at Cal Mendoza's, I loved him and I was kind of the first on the train. He could be a first round pick, but I also recognize it's just far too many turnover worthy plays. Eyes drop when that initial pressure comes and there's this little quarter count of panic in his game. Still has that. But what Signetti and that whole staff for Indiana was able to do is bottle up, make his reads easier. If the, you know, let's read the corner back on this two by two and let's make a decision. If it's not there, we can take off and run, but we're not going to get into a position where we're asking you to sit in the pocket, go through read after read after read and allow yourself to get into some old habits. So could be actually going to pick up where they left off if Mendoza's in fact the pick. Yeah. Is there, I mean, outside of Mendoza, usually the rule is for the top 15 picks, just take the best guy on the board. There's about 15 special players every draft. And then, you know, if they're available, unless you've already got your tackles, take the tackle if he's the best guy. Is there a definitive second best player? Here's your mock draft. You have Reese, who was a remarkable linebacker at Ohio State. David Bailey's really good. Man, I mean, Ruben Bain, I liked Jeremiah Love. I don't think he's a second pick. Is there to you a definitive, gotta take him at number two? If you're asking me the, first of all, I think it's the best prospect in this class is Arvel Reese. But he is a projection. He's 6'4", 245. He's one of those guys, like he's gonna, if he works out at the combine or at Ohio State's pro day, it's gonna get a lot of attention. He was a one year starter at Ohio State after kind of backing up two guys that'll wind up being NFL guys and playing in a rotation in 2024. His ability to cover and play sideline to sideline, the power he has, the length he has, it's unique, man, for an off ball linebacker. But what you're doing is you're projecting him as an edge. Now, is it the same career arc as Michael Parsons? I think people forget he was an off ball linebacker until injuries happened with Dallas as a rookie. And then he becomes the edge that we all know and love now. I could see a similar arc. He's just not developed as an edge rusher. If you're asking me the best player in this draft though, I think it's a different question. Prospect is Reese. Player is Jeremiah Love. But he's a running back coming out of Notre Dame. I think he's just a stud. Oh, man. You think about like NFL films, right? With the music going with that camera view from behind the defenses, they're running like a freight train. It's like this combination of like poetry and beauty with the music going behind, but also like just like devastation of running through tacklers. That's what Jeremiah Love is. He's got this like kind of the weave in and out, the contact balance. You see that long run, obviously in the college playoff a year ago. He's got all the tools, whether you're going back to like Eric Dickerson or like the Emmett Smith, but he's faster than Emmett. If you go to Mod Bijon Robinson, like he's that caliber of talent. Most teams I've talked to, if he's not one, he's two or three on their board. Problem is, again, he's a running back. So maybe he falls to Kansas City and becomes a treasure there for the Chiefs at nine or maybe the Saints one pick earlier at eight. Yeah, boy, he's, we agree with that. I could, there are certain teams here. I mean, the Jets could trade down and I mean, they need multiple players, whereas Kansas City needs a specific player, you know, Tennessee giants. Could you see the giants trading down? Like if I said to you, this team specifically trades up or down, what's a trade that seems feasible to you? Here's the deal with this draft, Colin, right? It is a really good draft and it's a lot better than some people may think because the quarterback class isn't great. So everyone's already talking about 2027 on the White House lawn and how special that group's going to be with Arch and Julian Sayen and Dante Moore and Brendan Swarsby and all these other quarterbacks, right? This group is really talented at positions that matter, that we're reminded of in the Super Bowl, like Edge, Interior, Defense of Line, Offensive Tackle. The wide receiver group is outstanding, even though there's not maybe a Calvin Johnson in this class. There are four guys that I think are day one impact starters in the league in carnell tape from Ohio State, Mackay Lemon from USC, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State and Denzel Boston from Washington. But the issue is if you're trying to trade back and I'll be intrigued to see, does Tom Brady, Kubeck, do they look at Mendoza and say he's absolutely the guy or do we want to trade out of this spot to a Jets organization that might want to move up or Cleveland potentially? Do we want to trade out of this spot when we get closer to the draft and load up for next year? That's going to be one story to end the fall. The other is I don't know outside, who's trading up? I can get this a similar level or caliber, offensive tackle or Edge or wide receiver or cornerback, like later in the first, early in the second is maybe I can get and pick eight or 12. So that's going to be interesting. I don't know if there's going to be a lot of movement in the first round this year. Yeah. You know, I look at Ty Simpson at Bama and I do think he has a pretty good arm, but I've always believed you've got to have a wow trait. Now that's why I missed on Kyler Murray because I thought he had a wow elusiveness. And I thought because of a baseball player, the sliding, the elusiveness, the quick release, I was like, oh, that's a loose and he hasn't been that. So I missed on that. I thought he would be better. I thought his trajectory was up and then stuff that I didn't know about. I look at Ty Simpson and I'm like, boy, they had a great offensive coach. They had great wide receivers. They couldn't run the ball. So he's, you know, he had an unbalanced offense. What is the trait with him that Todd McShay goes, that's a franchise guy. Is it the arm strength? It's not, it's not a physical trait. And he's got two strikes against him, right? Because I do believe in, what's the physical trait that's excellent, that's different. And he doesn't have the physical trait. The other part is the 15 starts, man. It is, it's real. We've talked about it before on this show. Like there are a couple of guys who are super human that have 25 starts that are great in the league, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. He's not that. Bryce Young, we'll see. The verdict still out, played really well down the stretch this year. And you can see some positive things. He's in that like 28, 29 starts coming out of college. Everyone else is like 34 starts or more. And so those are two strikes right there. The thing I will say with Ty, and I'm probably more on board with Ty Simpson than a lot of other people. If you go back, and I can't wait for coaches to get involved, OCs, quarterback coaches, head coaches that are offensive minded, you watched the first nine games of the season. Mendoza was really good. Ty Simpson was the best quarterback in college football. Processing, ball out, anticipation, had receivers. As Ryan Williams is supposed to be as good as Jeremiah Lovett, Ohio State drops. He's got like the yips, man. Like he disappeared. So he's got Jeremy Bernard, who's a really good player. Is his only like reliable, consistent target for a while. Run game, I think they finished like 126 or 128. Like how was that Alabama? And then they faced Venables, Brent Venables defensive minded, head coach for Oklahoma. And they were able to show, okay, here's how you beat his protections. So now I'm behind the line and everyone after that followed and, you know, fell in suit. I'm now behind a line that's not protecting me great. I'm banged up. I don't have a run game. And my best wide receivers decided to disappear. I'm telling you, this guy's got something in him. Coaches son, dad's been a lifelong coach, 18 years. He's been the head coach at Middle Tennessee State. He's different. He's different than some of those other young immature guys that have come out with the fewer than 20 starts. So I could see him being the exception to the rule, but I don't know that it's gonna be, like I think with McVay, with one year behind Stafford, let's say, in that offensive system with a coach's son's mind, I think that could work. I put him at 13 in this mock draft. As of right now, I don't think that that's gonna happen, but wait for it. Like too many, I've been doing this two and a half decades as we get closer without other quarterbacks, someone's gonna rise. And I could see Ty winning over a lot of coaches in those meetings. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in New Nester, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the I Heart Radio app. Stugatz here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow. And I have brought it here to I Heart. I'm also doing a live radio show from three to five p.m. Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. 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But I just thought, I mean, size, arm, athletic ability, leadership, toughness, like it's just too many things, too many boxes get checked. Where were you on Darnold when he was, it was man overboard in New York? I have a show that's twice a week, the McShay show, right? And on Monday, we released Mach 2.0, so I didn't really get into it. I haven't had my Bleep You tour, like you've been able to have with Sam Darnold. I mean, he was in my mind and I put it, I planted that flag on Darnold in a class that obviously had a lot of talented quarterbacks, including Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen at the time, and Lamar Jackson, right? I saw something in Sam that I thought was special, the creativity, the arm, enough mobility in the pocket, aggressiveness, and I knew the turnovers were an issue, but I thought in the right, coach the right way with the right supporting cast, we could see something like we're seeing now. And was he brilliant in the Super Bowl? No, but he was brilliant and got him there in the NFC Championship game. And here's the thing, and I'm gonna go on a tangent here real quickly. Two things came to mind is, one, stay true to your evaluation. It's about the talent, but also you gotta figure out what's here and you gotta figure out what's here. The mind and that toughness, the heart, all that, and I saw all those things in Sam. The other thing is I get so tired of listening to people around draft season saying, well, if you tell me where he goes, I'll tell you how he's gonna be. We don't put enough emphasis on where he lands and too much emphasis on the player. It ain't my job, man. Yeah. Talent up here and down there. And Sam Darnold was the best player in that class, in my opinion. Now Josh Allen has developed more than I thought he would and Lamar has developed more than I thought he would. All three are phenomenal players, so is Baker. But I always saw this in Sam, and so this is my little chance to, like I haven't gotten any fruit baskets or like apology letters in the mail from the media or from like all the people that were just ripping me during his jets and Panthers day. So I'm waiting on those comments. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't hold your breath. No, not, we know how this works. From the ringer, Todd McShay. Great seeing you, but as always, love your insights. All right, man. I appreciate it. Talk to you soon. Yeah. It's the R-Vel Rissett, an interesting player. You know, like he's, what he's gonna do in the NFL, he may not be currently doing now. That was, I like Bane from Miami. Like that game just translates. I think both those early Miami guys, Hurricanes are really good day one. Carnell Tate's another one, really good day one. But it's a good draft, good receivers, good tackles, good edge rushers. And I think I like Mendoza. He wasn't the best quarterback in college football in the first month. He was in the first month or two. He wasn't the last two, three months. I think a lot of that is his ability to improve and be coachable and listen and lead. And he's not gonna wow you with his athletic stuff, but may seem big and athletic and coachable and a leader and tough and gets popped. And I like him. I think he's really good. He may not be an A++, but I think Mendoza's a really good, really, really good high end quarterback prospect. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. So we haven't talked about your guy, Caleb Williams. It's been like two weeks, the Sam Darno Love Fest. I wonder if Caleb is not feeling the love, but man, what a good season he had under Ben Johnson. Just tremendous upside for Caleb and Ben Johnson together. Well, Bears legend, Brian Erlacher, love what he saw from Caleb, adding that he should be in Chicago's future for the next 20 years. They get a little rich, but we did pull together some stats here, Colin. In the last 15 starts, Caleb and Ben Johnson. 11 and four, 255 yards per game. Look at the touchdown interception ratio. He was exceptional. And you can only say they're just scratching the surface. This is year one. We believe, you and I believe, Seattle and the Rams were the two best teams in the league. I think Chicago's got an argument with about four of their teams, depending on the Sunday with Caleb Williams' growth, is Chicago third. They gave the Rams, I mean, the Rams remember, no penalties, no turnovers, didn't drop a pass. Maybe I may have had a one penalty. Rams played perfect in Chicago. You know, in Green Bay, again, last time they beat Green Bay, you start looking at the third best team in this league. You say, oh, Philadelphia, Ben Johnson's a better coach. Caleb's a better quarterback. Then Jalen hurts Nick Sariani. I don't think that- Caleb will be better. Is he better now? Oh God. Go look at the numbers. He can throw over the middle. He can see. Super Bowl MVP. I don't think it's wild to say Caleb Williams is on our shortlist. If I said to you, by Thanksgiving, Caleb Williams' top five quarterback. That's not a reach. That feels, I thought at the end- Well, four are basically cemented, right? We would agree. Five has been open. It was, I thought it was Hertz after the Super Bowl MVP when he was great. Some people thought Jane Daniels. Justin Herbert's always been lingering. But we have new information on Jaden. He struggles to stay healthy. That's new information. He's got hurt last year. Boy, I've been hurt the first year. Dinged up first year. Yeah, I mean, so there's new information on Jalen Hertz. He's not great in the room. He really struggles seeing the field. There's new information on Kyler Murray a couple years ago. He's not really- Oh, yes. This idea that I get new information and don't change my opinion. If you're a pilot, there's a lightning storm, 28 miles out. You wanna go around it or right through it? You get new information. I got new information on the Patriots. They stink against good teams. Well, that's a bridge too far for you. All right, let's go to the next story. Colin, I love this preface. Okay, so the Seahawks entered the season as a massive 60 to 100 dog to win the Super Bowl. So our staff found out the newest Super Bowl odds for next season, Super Bowl 61. Now, obviously we have the draft and free agency. Here are the top Super Bowl odds. Rams and Seahawks are tied for the best Super Bowl odds next year, followed by the Bills, no surprise. I think the Patriots are way too high. Eagles are up there and the Ravens, I don't know what they're doing there. Here's my thing. A year ago at this time, if I had told you, hey, Seahawks, you got a bet on them to win the Super Bowl, you would have laughed and you did like them. So Colin, for me, I'm looking at, okay, so who are some long shots that could- Chargers. That's not a bad one. I don't know if their defense losing mentor is gonna be as good. I don't think their defense will be as good. I think their offense will be significantly better. They have a ton of cap space. They really like the receiver, Trey Harris. The tackles come back, upgraded OC. I think the Chargers are the Seahawks. Okay, I'm gonna give you one. Now just remember, if anybody had said Seattle a year ago, you would have been, come on, Sam Darnold, the Viking just kicked him to the curb. All right, I'm ready. Okay, so looking at cheap quarterback with upside, cheap quarterback with upside, amazing defense, great defense of coordinator who is in high demand. And they're 60 to one right now. And that's the Minnesota Vikings. Oh, come on. See, I knew you'd do that. Why wouldn't I say Denver? Denver's not 60 to one. They're gonna be one of our favorites. Well, we know the favorites don't deliver. Denver is a good bet to me. Cheap quarterback, great coach, excellent pass rush. Denver is gonna be really good. I'm just gonna remind you who just made the Super Bowl. Drake May, after last Drake May's rookie year, nobody would have said that's the team, I think, to answer. Well, if you're gonna give me a long shot, what are the Bears? Bears are not a long shot. Broncos, by the way, are 1,800. That's not a long shot. Okay, what are the Bears? 60 to one. Okay, well, that's an outlier. What are the Bears? So also the Seahawks, we're an outlier. What are the Bears? Bears are 25 to one. Oh, I'm gonna bet a lot on Chicago. I don't hate that. 25, I can get 25 to one of the Bears. Yeah, you know. You know what, my son's got another year of college. I think it's time to roll the five, two, nine, take it to Vegas. Why don't you sell some jet skis? Buy Bears Future. Bears at 25 to one is a bargain. Right, but again, so you scoff at Viking 60 to one, right? You just say absolutely no shot. I wouldn't put a nickel on that. Okay, Ryan Flores is back in Minnesota. Who's the quarterback? JJ, maybe Aaron Rodgers. I think Aaron Rodgers. I want JJ. He'll be fine. Kevin O'Connell. Can I bet Aaron Rodgers to the Vikings on any platform? I'll take your money, I'll book your action. Oh, you'll be okay. Final stories to the NBA. Listen, this should have been first hour story, Kyle, this is spicy. Last night, James Harden and Darius, not Darius Garland. James Harden and Donovan Mitchell went off and beat Yoakich in Denver. A great win, a monster fourth quarter. Listen, Harden and Mitchell, all of a sudden is a dynamic backcourt. You could stop one, but you can't stop both. Colin, after the game, Donovan Mitchell talked about integrating Harden into the offense. Jay found something that he liked, Niplin offense, him and Jay, and Bufam O'Connell, obviously, Sam, Jaylin, and then it's tough to pick. Do you guard him, do you guard me, do you help off Sam? Like there's so many different things. Jaylin hits the big door top of the key. Jay is getting his flippers. I come down, throw Jay a lob. Like there's so many different things that we found and we still haven't practiced, but just hooping off vibes. All right, now like, you know what I'm saying, just figuring it out. I liked Donovan Mitchell. I think this is a- They won by two. I don't think the Nuggets are a great defensive backcourt. Well, they don't have Aaron Gordon still, but that's a great win. Nuggets fans are at rate at the coach for not playing Yokech more. He's on like still a minute. Well, he's like that. He just came off an injury. Yeah, well, you didn't get that- It's a two point win. You didn't get that leniency to Austin Reed. Also, it's, you're not, you don't, how do you scout guys that haven't played together? This is one of these Denver's like, we have to watch them play because we don't know what they want to do. So give me your top three in the East right now. Detroit, Celtics, Nix. Interesting. Well, what's your- I don't know what's going on with Jason Tatum. There's so much chatter that he may come back 30 games. I hope he doesn't force it, but I think the Cavs are a danger. In a seven game series, give me the Cavs over the pistons. You're falling for James Harden has a good night. You fell for the Cavs last year. Well, they didn't fall for them. They were number one. I know, I know. They were a good team. I got Nix, Nix Cavs in the conference finals. No pistons? No pistons. Fool's gold, my friend. Sorry, Kate. I like Kate. Yeah, I don't buy that at all. They defend. James Harden, you know what he's gonna do. You're in the postseason. I do. Not get the whistle and complain. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lyne News. Wow, there's a lot going on today. Nick Wright and Todd McShay, and man, it's just the shows are flying by. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in Newnister, 9 a.m. Pacific. Well, Clint Kubiak just took over as the Raiders' latest head coach. We've seen this year a team that rarely replaces a coach, the Pittsburgh Steelers hire Mike McCarthy, and a team that regularly does the Raiders choose an offensive guy replacing Antonio Pierce or Pete Carroll. And here's Clint Kubiak. The main thing is, is this is no ordinary job. You know, this is the silver and black. This is the Raiders. This is a historic franchise. And it's something that I'm very excited for. You know, when you say commitment to excellence, okay, and you look at the walls around here, you look at the players on this wall, and there's a history of Hall of Fame players here. There's a history of Super Bowls. And that's what the ultimate goal is, but you have to be about to work if you want to get there. Yeah, I mean, if they weren't an easier division, I could see them doubling their wins easily. This is the first time in a long time. Between the quarterback, the offensive coach, Bowers, they'll get Colton Miller back. They were all banged up last year. Aston Genti, draft another running back. You know, we've talked about maybe a Rashid Saheed, you know, can they go out and get a deep threat? I think they need a volume receiver, but I, the Raiders, again, if they were in the NFC South or AFC South, I'd say they could win 10 games. I don't know if they're there. I like Mendoza a lot. So, Spitech, the GM, I think you got a shot here. He's an impressive guy. Immediately though, the Sam Darnold is now gonna fall off of the flat earth. Everybody's now bailing on their Sam Darnold. And I said this, the AFC's got the best quarterbacks. The NFC's got the best rosters. But what do we do with Sam Darnold and the NFC now? You tell me, who would you take at quarterback over the next three years? Nick Wright came on two hours ago and addressed that real question. If the question is, hey, NFC quarterbacks you want for the next three to five years, Stafford's out of it. And then it'd be like, would I rather have Darnold or Hertz? I would rather have Darnold. Would I rather have Darnold or Purdy? I would rather have Darnold. Dack is a question. Dack, I think Dack has shown more, but Dack has never had anything close to the NFC championship game Darnold just had and he's older. So then it becomes Darnold against the younger guys. Darnold or golf, that's a coin flip to me. And then the younger guys, Caleb, Jaden, Jordan Love who's about his age but feels young as he didn't play much. Like so, those are all debates. I mean, if you look at Dack and Darnold, Darnold has a better arm and Darnold's more athletic. I would take Darnold and I like Dack, but in terms of what do I talk about? Traits. Well, Darnold's got a bigger arm than Dack and Darnold's more athletic and Darnold doesn't have as many injuries. So, and I like Dack, but I mean, the last month of playoff football, well, I mean, Darnold has a great team. Well, you weren't saying that when the season started, you weren't saying Darnold could win the Super Bowl. So there, there, I mean, Caleb Williams has a stronger arm than Darnold and is more athletic. I think, I think you can say, and that tells you how great Caleb is. Josh Allen's probably got more horsepower. There's a couple of guys with more horsepower, not a lot, not a lot than Darnold. He's big, strong, moves arm. He got big time talent, not Josh Allen, not Caleb Williams, but then he's in a class of that, you know, maybe not my homes when we start at four or five and then you're like, no, no, he is better than most of these guys. Well, Jalen hurts. Jalen's not as good in the pocket and Jalen doesn't have the arm of Sam Darnold. So he's a really good player. It is interesting though, people are already immediately discrediting him. Well, he didn't do much in the big game. Well, yeah, he's losing Clint Kubiak. Could we just admit, since November 27th of what, 2022, when he was benched by Carolina, came back, got the starting job. From that point forward, he's got the highest winning percentage in the league with four teams. Carolina, San Francisco, Minnesota, Seattle. It's a lot of coaches, a lot of coordinators, a lot of teammates. I thought Christian McCaffrey said it this week at the Super Bowl, Jay Mac. I don't know if you heard that. Christian McCaffrey said, I've played with him twice. My first takeaway is, dude, that's one of the best players I've ever played with. And he played with Luke Keekley. Yeah, heard it. That was your response to- Well, I mean, I also heard him come on our show and gas up Brock Purdy greatly. I think he defended Brock Purdy. I wouldn't say he went overboard. I get it. I wish my wife loved me as much as you love Sam Darnold. I know, good. I'll stop here. I mean, I've gone to maybe a little overboard, maybe not. Put up the Super Bowl odds again. I thought that were very accurate. I think the Chargers are going to move. Denver and the Chargers feel like top six or seven. They've got New England. But the value Colin is in teams that did not make the playoffs, AKA Seattle and New England. Like the Ravens to me and I like a rookie head coach. Lamar wants a new contract. That's not a Super Bowl team. They don't have a lot of good players on that roster. Sorry. Well, they had six Pro Bowlers. Okay. And what's going to happen next year? Are they all going to be back? I mean- Kyle Hamilton will be- One or two standouts on defense. That's it. Are you sure they had six Pro Bowlers? I think they had- Derek Henry. I'm sorry. Time out. Pro Bowl doesn't matter. Chidur Sanders was in the Pro Bowl. Well, just because Chidur made it, doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I mean, the Patriots couldn't have anybody in the Pro Bowl. The Broncos couldn't because of their playoff game. So like, I'm not, let's not go to Pro Bowl. I just don't think the Ravens have a talented roster. Ravens, League High, oh my bad, nine Pro Bowlers. Nine. Okay. You've got them being the Titans. They've got nine Pro Bowlers. I mean, okay, they're not the Titans. I just don't think they're either- They don't have a Pro- The Pro Bowl now is just, isn't it some like competition or something? It's nonsense. Come on. Well, we know that. Yeah. These Super Bowl odds, where are the Bears? Where are the Broncos? Where are the Chargers? That to me, those are the three. I would take those all over New England and Baltimore. Where are the Vikings? New York Giants, a hundred to one. Wow, there's one for you. You love the Giants. You said they're doubling their win total. From four to eight. I didn't say- You're shooting Jod Harbaugh like he's split the animation. And I'm serious. I think the Bears at 25 to one. I don't hate that. The division is- Your kids don't need college. They could easily do a vocational school. 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