"Tangent Zone" (w/ Jinkx Monsoon)

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. Hey there, this is Josh from Stuff You Should Know with a message that could change your life. The Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring podcast playlist is available now. Whether Spring has sprung in your neck of the woods yet or not, the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist will make you want to get your overalls on, get outside, and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, man! Oh, I see him. Oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that a culture? Yes, goodness. Oh, yeah. Las Culturistas. Ding dong! Las Culturistas calling. As our guest takes a massive hit at the vape. I'm just jealous, to be quite honest. Stars are back. Star behavior is back. Hit the vape. Expand on that. It's, you know, weed. No, we know. It's just weed. We love it. It doesn't matter. This is the thing. Back in the day, like, let's say at the chateau, there would be signs. And I'm saying in the 70s, there would be signs of the doors that were like, no actors. Why? The revelry. People in showbiz were never moral paragons. No. And now it's like, okay, we all got to like behave and like, walk to a waste day. Everyone walking in a straight line and walking in a walk-tire. And walking in a walk-tire. Shane, no smoking inside. I'm sick of eggshells. I'm so fucking sick of these eggshells. They're hard to stoop out of the egg when you crack the egg. Give me the yolk straight away and you know when I'm coming. You can call in advance. I make a reservation. This is my, I don't think so, honey, later. It's going to be egg forward. Period. We just high five for those who can't watch us and are listening to this like it's still just a podcast. It's TV. It's TV. It's a TV show. We're on the idiot box like everyone else. Hey, speaking of TV, the Emmys, I just want to say some shout-outs. Shout-outs. Hannah Einbinder. We're proud of you, baby. Every single bit of you. Every moment. Rocks. Hannah Einbinder. We love you. Jean Smart. Kristen Miliati. Oh, it happens. Erin Doherty, Adolescents. Love. Oh, when Cooper Adolescents. Oh, when Cooper Adolescents. Tramel. Tramel. Tramel. Honestly, the winners were so fantastic this year and surprising. And we'll save the best for last and say Jeff Hiller. God. What? I was, I said to Bo, I was like, what did that feel like in the room? Quickly tell them. Rapturous, euphoric, volcanic. I would say I erupted from the corona of my crown chakra as it were. I erupted from the corona of my crown chakra. Corona crown. I'm being redundant and repeating words essentially, but you know what I mean. Like, I, some, I connected with- That's like a Lord lyric. It's like a lyric by the singer Lord. Well, you're saying Lord is redundant. I erupted from the crown of my corona chakra. Anyway, loved, loved. Loved. Get him next year, girl. Girl, never. I'm Susan Luching till I die. I think that's really chic for you. I love it. Oh, nothing better. I get to go to the little parties. These little parties. Fun. So, oh wait, I have to shout out. Go ahead. Brittany Snow, Malin Ockerman, Katie Lowe's, Rebecca Cutter. All the hunting wives. Everyone involved in Hunting Wives because they were the bells of the ball. Everyone turned to you. Gawk and say, wow, look at them. They are television, peak television. Multi. And I want to say someone dropped out during the broadcast from presenting. They pulled in Brittany and Malin during the show because Celeste and I sat in front of them. And they were like, I guess we're presenting. So chill, so matter of fact about so professional. They were like, yeah, we don't know what the copy is yet. They did not find out the copy until 10 minutes before. And I would say one of the highlights of the night. Sorry, I took me a little bit of time. So I had this is brilliant to hear. And I just want to say I had a night full of highlights the other night because I went to go. For I think my fifth time. Yes. To the Broadway production, O'Mare. Oh, my fifth too. Yeah, right. Because it's kind of at the point now where it's like every time they announce even even I get like a whiff of a casting rumor and then it comes to be. I'm like, well, I guess I'm going again and it's never a hardship. It's always a hard. It's always a hard. Me rock card in the seats for comedy and more. When they post the daguerreotype of whatever actor in the curls and the bratty curls as Cola Skola puts it, I go, I guess I'm buying. Can I say this is the year where we've got Cola Skola with a Tony, Jeff Heller with an Emmy. And Mel Tillman with an Emmy. Currently our guest on the boards and become a Broadway fixture. And so deservedly so. I can't think of anything more right. Also, since we've last seen our guests, she has won Rupal's Drag Race, All Winners, All Stars, which what was the title they gave seven all winners. But what was it? It was called the superstar of the of the Queen, the whatever. You know, they're always coming up with these long titles on her if it's, if you will. It is a true joy as always to sort of and let me hit that. Am I allowed? Yeah, of course, honey. I'm not as fine. I'm just. This trust here. You're in all that. I'm on prep. Because our guest is on prep, we can share this. And that's a part of everything I need to talk about today. This or prep. Prep. This is going to be the most prep forward episode we've ever had. Well, that's on you. We should have been way more prep forward. Well, that's good. Is that medical? I mean, I use it medicinally. I got it from a legal dispensary. OK, well, yes. I'm just going to wait for you to finish introducing me. By the way, welcome to Singuliers. Jinxmonsoon. We got a little carried away there, but we're going to give you time to make. How much I wanted to interject. Interject now, please. For all of that. Well, first of all, I wanted the name dropped constantly because you said Hannah. Go ahead. Blind binder who was a guest judge on All Stars. That's right. Seven. Gene Smart, who I have yet to meet like face to face, but I performed for her at the Tony's with the pirates, the bar at the pins and those from Penn. Oh my God, I said it wrong after what? And how do you say it? Penn Zanz. And I've watched press people say pins and pins and it's the Z that throws them off. And these people, you know, that might be the one symptom I still feel from weaned. Because like what I was going to say is I'm so like I seem pretty functional to you. Right. Yes. I'm on so many other things that negate the weed. Right. The weed is just like patching in the cracks. I sure. That's how I feel about it. With an LCAP. Gene Smart, she was in Comey Izzy. Comey Izzy. Recently on Broadway across the street from my building. So sometimes I would be getting out of my car and she'd be doing her stage door and I'd get to just like look over and there's Gene Smart, right? And when that wasn't happening, then I had her giant poster just outside my window. So life has become really. Genie. Genie. Life's become very surreal and I've just had to embrace it. Because if I sit around commenting on how surreal it is, I'll be one of those people who's like, oh my God, this is so amazing rather than shut up. Enjoy it then. This is the new normal. I've been trying to practice talking less. I'm not doing very well. When he invited you to a podcast. Because I dominate everything. That's not true. Because I go on to intense. Well, they call a bossy bottom. Anyway, who are they called? The general consensus. Yeah, yeah. Queerdom. Um, Jeff Hiller recently came to see Omari. Of course. Michael Urie was also nominated. And of course, of course I was rooting for my castmate. That's that's what you do. But also Jeff is a friend and they are friends with each other. And so, you know, when he came to see the show and Michael and him were hugging and the three of us were hugging and congratulating each other on kicking a lot of ass. Um, as very queer people. Right. Unapologetically. So, um, I think the last thing I said to them before I departed that night was, now one of you go win that. And me. So a straight guy doesn't get it. I know. I like that. I didn't really know who the rest of the nominees are because I'm completely unplugged from current culture by choice. Yes, you got it. You were nominated. He was in the very category. So I'm well, see, we had the odds. And that's what I want to talk about about like us kicking ass. You know, I'm so please do you forgive me? I'm so sorry. I didn't know. Oh no, no, no. Please. It's something I couldn't care less about. The same applies to you. If you had been there, I would have said now one of you go win. Were you there that night? I wasn't. No, not that night. Not the same as Jeff. Because it's all in the blender at this point. But that category, I didn't even realize until after the fact, like I've ever made a made like a little lovely moment out of like the boxes when they announced like, you know, the three of us sleeping for Jeff, which is me and Coleman and Michael. And I was like, oh, right. It's because this was like for the first time in a long time in like not any awards show, but in a long since I can remember like a mostly gay guy group category four out of seven. It's it's an astounding thing to witness. It's like so many things all at once. And I was talking to you about this when you came to see, oh, Mary, that there was a scarcity in this industry for us, the visibly unapologetically queer, like couldn't try to hide it if we wanted to. So why like waste my life trying to play characters that aren't right for me when I know what's right for me, right? And I can keep pulling this thread. But basically, like if you look at YouTube with this podcast that's become a TV show, right? And you look at Cola Scola who wrote Omerian, you look at Michael and Jeff and all of these people succeeding. Do you know why we're fucking succeeding right now? Because when no one believed in us, we created our own stuff. I was going to say. You created this when the roles were scarce. Cole created their own play to create more roles for people like us and look at the roster since, you know, and then it's just it's this amazing thing. And I was telling Matt, like when there was the scarcity, it didn't matter what the role was. If there was any role that wasn't like in the box, we were all going for it. It didn't matter if you're a drag queen or a trans woman or a gay guy or, you know, it was like the roles queer. So we all have to find a way to go for it. And then we're all kind of like, oh, I hope you get it. No, I don't need it. But we're all actually, you know, it was hard. It used to be hard to watch roles go to other performers, not because you don't want it for them, but because you're like, well, there goes that role this year. That's the only one that's going to happen. But now that that scarcity is not a thing, as I was saying to Matt the other night, it is so easy to celebrate each other. You know, like, and I learned all of this from creating the Jinx and Day La Holiday show, which is my thing that we created. So if you look at all these queer artists that are blowing up right now, we've all been doing this for 20 years or something. You know, I don't know how old you are, but we're probably the same age. Yeah, 15, 16 years, literally. Exactly. So it's like, exactly. It didn't happen overnight. But the ability to celebrate one another only just keeps because then we pull each other in rather than fighting with each other, rather than competing. We all pull each other in and then recommend each other for roles because we have worked at tearing down those stick masks. And you also get, I think, better at what you do and funnier when you're surrounded by people who you're inspired by and have things in common with, as opposed to pushing those things away. Just every single time community has been, you can draw a direct line to why something succeeded, how something got better. I think that's why we were also happy for Jeff because Jeff was this true, like an actual leader in terms of like comedy gaze or theater gaze. If it was him teaching at UCB or being in the main stage cast that we all went to go see the shows, he inspires Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson to then come together, whatever they have a model for this, they put their show up, then we all go see their show and go hang out at Barracuda rest in peace afterwards. It was like us and Cole and Julio and like all of the New York comedy queers just like hanging out. And then like that's like, we always say that was the beginning of actual like New York queer comedy. Well, and also for what it's worth, we were also watching you on television. Yes. Yes. You were on TV at that. But this is happening. Like you just described your New York queer comedy community in the drag world. You know, Alaska had dragged the musical off Broadway. Her and I were her and I and Cole and Tommy Dorfman were all nominated for this acting award with a bunch of Muckity Mucks and my friend's mom, Mia. I love saying that. I do as much as I can. My friend's mom, Mia. You know, Ms. Mia. You know, Mia. Anyway, it was incredible to look around. Yes. At that function, the drama league awards and see all the big people who are having a really big moment on Broadway, see lifers in the biz. Lifers. See like people who are household names. I mean, Nick Jonas was sitting right behind me, looking down my dress, I'm sure. Yeah. You know, I mentioned Mia Farrow. It was like and to even be able to look over my shoulder and see Mia Farrow just sitting there and she politely, you know, because she's my friend's mom. And she's so incredibly kind. I love her so much. It's I there's the Farrow family are like chosen family to me. So it was incredible to see those faces and then see familiar. Yeah, of course. You're in the room because you were talking about your comedy family in New York. And I just keep thinking about I when YouTube was a brand new website, that's how long I've been a fan of Cola Skola and Jeffrey Self starting with just them kind of like dominating short form as it was being born. Yep. So much so that a TV network logo picked them up and then I watched every episode of Jeffrey and Cole Casserole. So it's like Cole being a huge sensation on Broadway and the ability to celebrate that truly and genuinely it fuels me to keep going because I'm like, we got to take this and run. Yeah, there's a place for I was gonna say like this the the the scarcity is not like fully in the past. Like no keeps trying to like push the line. That's why we have to double down. And again, what I'm saying is like we created our own stuff and it's authentic to who we are as performers. And when we get hired for things, because they saw something in your podcast or something, whatever you can connect the dots. But like when they hire you from your work that's authentically you, then you get to be authentically you in the work they hire you. Yeah, rather than having to show up at an audition and be like, Hi, my name is yeah. The voice was that. That was the voice. Straight voice. No, I don't really I've never really been able to to mask it. Matt certainly does. I mean, I was can you remember it? It gets you know, what's crazy? It gets harder to slip into as I get older and get more comfortable. My like Long Island accent and also my masculine thing. But it's kind of like this, I guess. I mean, to be quite honest with you, like it was definitely like that immediately adds the the the did it. It masks the slurring. What it needed to do it did. Yeah. It's shorter vowels. You can't push your S's. It's I think that's it and the end the upper lip sort of like flex. It's like, I'm not gonna see I don't even want to try it. You don't have to. I'm just curious. You guys I'm gonna do mine for you. Go. Well, like back in college, if it was someone I felt safe around and say like, good morning, I'm just cleaning the room. But if it was someone I didn't know, I didn't feel safe around. Who happened to be in your room and while you were cleaning and no, I was the janitor at college. You were you actually were. Please don't send me on a team. I'm so sorry. Oh my god. I thought you do really good. Oh my god. It was a bit and it's true. I don't need to come up with fiction. Anyway, so good morning. I'm cleaning your room is with some of your help and then say it was someone else. It probably would have sounded like, hey, just cleaning, you know, like just trying to be because when I tried to do a straight voice, it sounds like what I did jokingly and it starts sounding funny. And then people are like, what is this? Because like if I I can pitch my voice very low, do the lowest you can do. This would be the lowest I can do. But it's like that coming out of me is like, what the fuck? I only learned how to do that. The next match game is who that who is that? That sounds like, please. Okay, you're not going on. But no, no, no. The point is, is like, I learned that playing that cowardly lion in high school. But it's such a character. That was your take on the cowardly lion? Oh, well, I would slip into it when he would be when he would try to be brave. Yeah, yeah. It's like my actual cowardly lion voice was really good. Oh, no. Really a dandy. I have a snaggle plus X. You forgot that he was kind of giving up. But the thing is, it's not an attractive. It doesn't, it doesn't, it's the, it's wasn't linked to what I, the rules I play these. But I think you bring it, I think you are bringing a very, shall I say like full spectrum of gender to marry. I think that's your unique take on marry. It's like, like that's like hold it necessarily do, you know, bad eaters do, Titus didn't do it. Hey there, this is Josh from Stuff You Should Know with a message that could change your life. The Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring podcast playlist is available now. Whether Spring has sprung in your neck of the woods yet or not, the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist will make you want to get your overalls on, get outside and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. When I saw you do, do marry a couple weeks ago, I was like, Jynx is one of our preeminent screamers. I think you have to, you're screaming in such a considered way. And I imagine there's some vocal like exercise or health that helps. Well, I've been joking. This is my easy answer, because if I try to give the real answer, then it's like a 10 minute conversation because I go on tangents. Anyway, the quick, fun answer I say is, well, I worked as a drag queen for over 20 years and I still do. So I've worked in every shitty venue and had to find a way to be heard in every crappy situation. And so I've learned a lot of different tricks. The true thing is every role I've played, because I always like to start with like, I don't like a character having my voice. I want to find, even if it sounds like my voice, I want to find the ways it's different. What's Mary's voice? Just a little more sorry, I have to like, Yeah, I'm not putting you on the spot. I can't drop into a, No, right, right, right. But just qualitatively, like, what do you think it is? I think Mary's one of the closers in my actual voice. Over the years, I have picked up from every character, different techniques, like, I know I can pitch my voice that low, because I played the cowardly lion once, and I found that trick then, and I never lost it. And so all of my screaming is very particularly placed and pitched, so that if I growl here, then I know I have to kind of like, whisper yell here until I can get another drink of water, cough and clear my throat and whatever I need to do to then growl again. So I plot a course, and that's what I do with rehearsal, is I get very technical about, okay. My dresser has to be here backstage with a bottle of Ascensia. I come with my own. I'm sorry. I don't rely on people to just have my brand. So you're carrying? I'm carrying. But what was the thing, oh, Mary, well, she's like more white, and she goes a lot more nasal. Then there's moments where she just, you know, like she just is all, she's very erratic. It's just with Mary, I've mentioned it a few times, but I like to clear my head of what's going on in my life. As best I can. Everyone who works with me knows like two hours before showtime, please don't hit me up with something crucial that's going to throw me off course, because that is like when I'm listening to my playlist and I'm doing my makeup and I'm checking in with the cast and I'm getting into the mindset. And then this is the first time I've ever been cognizant of the fact that I go on stage with a clear head and then let my ADHD be Mary's ADHD. And I realized in retrospect, I was totally doing that with Ruth too, but with Ruth, I was calling it her hearing problem. With Audrey, I was calling it her like nervousness around men. So I always have found a way to disguise it so that like, if I'm fully locked in and present with everyone on stage, then my ADHD is seeing every little thing. And when people say I'm good at improv, it's because I keep my peripheral open as much as possible. And probably that came from having to walk down to the street as a queer person and having, I think about that a lot too now with my noise cancellation headphones in New York. I stopped you on the street once because you had those headphones in and I had, you had to like, I had to really get in your eye line. And it was amazing. Because I'm laser focused in Times Square. It's the way you have to be. We stomp, we're stompers to our music on the street. Yeah, I guess the only way to get through it, you have to make a game of it. You have to be like Mario Kart. Yeah, 100%. I do think that those games did help walking the streets of New York. It's like, I see where I'm going. Like, I yeah, there's something. Tell you're in a tunnel. The thing I feel is so before being able to call it ADHD or whatever special acute thing is going on up here, ADHD is like, pretty much what it looks like, right? Whatever's going on up here, when I thought my brain was broken, I wanted to suppress all of it because I just didn't want people thinking, what a freak, you know, right? As soon as I started working with a psychiatrist and a therapist, and they helped me identify what I'm dealing with here. And I'm on, like I said, I'm on medication that helps me with all my symptoms. And so I just want to say publicly, when I'm hitting my vape, it's not because I don't take my work seriously. It's because the vape help, it fills in the cracks, like I said, if I have 10 thoughts going on, yeah, you limit them, it goes down to five. I think this is kind of wrong. But you know, like, that's another tangent heavy tangent zone. But yeah, no, I mean, that's that's very interesting that that's yeah, that's a truth. Because I feel like there are roles that are complimentary to that kind of thought, like that kind of like attention to things that you have with your ADHD as you're on stage and as you're plugged into people. And Mary is one of those roles, right? Absolutely, because you could look at her and think she's a sociopath. And that's one way to play her. And that's, I mean, that's what I thought the first time I saw it. But now that I've worked with her and had to empathize with her and had to get insight, trying to decode Cole's very, very, like, perfectly written show. There's a reason why it works so well with so many different castes. Like the writing is just incredible. And so there's a lot of material there to pick apart and figure out why she does what she does. And so I was like, well, sociopaths, one way to go. But I always like to go, everything's genuine because that raises the stakes. Like, if the character isn't lying, and this whole time they secretly have a secret that negates everything they're doing on stage or whatever, I don't know, whatever the internal monologue, I'm like, no, I want to make sure I'm committing to the truth of what's going on with this character. And Scott Ellis was talking a lot about that in Pirates. It's like, it's a farce, but for the characters, the stakes are life and death. And that's what makes it funny is committing to that truth for them. So this was just kind of affirming something I was already kind of like, figuring out for myself. And so anyway, that was a tangent. But I was like, sociopath means she's doing all of this just because she doesn't care. Right. But ADHD can mean she says it very loudly, I'm so bored. And I know that feeling. And Cole and I are both people who used to drink and don't anymore. Right. So I'm like, okay, things are lining up, things are lining up. I'm like, she's bored. Everything that happens gives her a new idea. She used to use alcohol to numb it down. And fill this time. And then that pulls another thread. I'm like, okay, that's why she wants the alcohol so bad. It's not necessarily that, you know, it's like, don't you understand? It's the thing that you all want me to behave normal. And she believes that's the thing that's going to help her behave normal. I've fucking been there. But then the whole idea of like alcohol helping you feel normal is the tipping point is like, why fuck with that? Right? Because it's so easy to overdo it and then you can't backpedal. I want to talk about playing drunk because it's this thing that seems a little bit trivial. It seems like all actors can do it. All comedians can do it. They can't. It's hard. It's very hard. And I feel like there's a feature in this show where you're talking about like, there's a moment, a couple of moments in the show where Mary is drunk. Like one particular moment. But I feel like, and I haven't really gotten to talk to Cole about this, but I feel like they wrote the show as a way to like make sense of their addiction in a way. And I feel like- I have to imagine. I mean, Mary is this erratic character that, like I said, the first time I saw her, I thought she was a sociopath. And then I spent some time with the material and I'm sure if I had seen it a second time, I would have like unlocked it faster. You talked to Swans before? With Cole before getting the role and then I stuck in a few more times after that. Anyway, the point being that I just felt like she's not a sociopath. She's dealing with real things for her. And then I know that Cole said they wrote the role to share parts of themselves that they had previously never thought of putting on stage, right? Knowing that. And I've been saying this a lot because people keep saying to me, which is the huge compliment because like I said, this is like a perfect play. It's incredibly written. It's incredibly structured. If you do the text analysis, this is like a tight, well-constructed play. You can tell that people who really cared about it put a lot of work into it. It's got one of the best monologues too. The great day monologue. It's like, I think one of the greats. I think I had a different point, but it's like it's great material to work with. So it's easy to find all of this stuff. And I keep saying, oh, Cole and I have lived parallel lives. Right? I've been saying this a lot. Cole, not necessarily a drag queen, but has played many drag roles or roles where Cole was gender-bending. If we're still even calling these days, I'm thinking like it was just Cole being Cole. Right? Like, you know, Cole, it's like Bernadette Peters, Cole. I couldn't call that drag because it was just one wig and some lipstick. It wasn't drag. It was like channeling. And so I've thought this for a while. We met 13 years ago, Cole and I, Cole in Oskopee, Cole and I in Australia. That was the first time we met, but I had been a lifelong fan. And so me and Cole and Jeffrey run into each other because we're all on comedy tours in Australia. And I started, I was like, you're on a comedy tour in Australia. I'm on a, like, oh my gosh, I started to feel like these people that inspired me to be so queer in my work because they were making it work for themselves. Am I like kind of catching up with them? You know, it was this moment of like, are we all kind of doing the same thing? You're opening each other. Right? Yeah. You know the feeling. And then it's like, and then as it became more normal to know them, it was just kind of like, oh, we do the same thing in different ways. And thinking of that, it's like the hugest compliment when people say, it feels like this role was written for you. And I'm like, it wasn't, it was written for Cole. It just happens to be so well written and so true to life that anyone who has lived a similar life or can easily like transpose what Mary's going through onto their life. Like I was easily able to do because we live these parallel lives. It's like, no, it wasn't written for me, but you can see why people say it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Clearly it's speaking to both of your lives in this fascinating way. And I also was thinking about the great day monologue as like actually an anxious thought. You know what I mean? That whole monologue is actually one big ADHD tunnel that you can get through about like, it's literally her racing towards something before it's even had the chance to be because she's so and it panics her. And like what I love about that moment is like the opportunity it gives the audience to realize they care. Like it's because you may not have actually even realized that. That's like, you know, I kept saying, I thought she was a sociopath. That's probably the point in the show where I go, she's not a sociopath. Her circumstances are dire. Yeah. And then I think about, you know, now that I've spent so much time with the material, her circumstances are life and death. Yes. In no uncertain terms, it's not like interpreting it. Her circumstances are life and death. Yeah. And I just relate to Mary so much, but I know so many people do. And again, that's a credit to the writing, a credit to the direction. But I was going to, I almost didn't want to share this because I'm like, am I really going to give away this secret to my performance? Give it. While I'm still in the run, but you only have like a week left. Oh, okay. The great day, Mount along for those in the know. For me, my great day is literally playing Mary on Broadway. Oh, that's, it's that easy. And I was like, I thought Cole was thinking that too. And they wrote this and I'm like, Cole didn't know this was going to be on Broadway when they wrote this. They just wrote something so true to what it feels like when you were born to do this and you have known it your whole, like I'm talking whole life. Yep. Like as long as I've known that I was trans and a redhead, I've also known I was an actor, a performer, a singer at all. I mean, you have, you have six great days and one of them is a great matinee day. Two of them are sometimes. Yeah. Oh, we have two days. Say, if, if, if, if you're great days playing Mary, then you have like so many great days. I call it double soup Tuesday at the orphanarium. If you watch Futurama, you get it. You make, you make me feel like double soup Tuesday at the orphanarium. That would be my day to double soup Tuesday. Every day's double soup Tuesday. I had soup today actually. Oh my God. When I play Mary, every day is double soup Tuesday. I love that. Hey there. This is Josh from Stuff You Should Know with a message that could change your life. The Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring podcast playlist is available now. Whether Spring has sprung in your neck of the woods yet or not, the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist will make you want to get your overalls on, get outside and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're the first person in Lost Culture Races history that we have asked this question twice of. Jinxed one soon. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you? The film death because. Did I say this the last time? No, I don't think you did. Thank God. Because that's the dramaturgy I did. Okay. I can literally, I've been thinking about why it made me. What is striking right now? Well, one huge factor is that because I'm realizing this was a very cool rule of my mother's. I was allowed to watch basically anything without gratuitous sex or like raunchy nudity as long as I watched it with her. So I could ask questions and she could put it into context. Very smart. Very smart and cool because her and I, our thing together, was to watch horror movies together because we love horror movies. Anyway, but so Death Becomes Her was called like a horror comedy. A dark comedy. You watch it now and it's like, that's not that dark. I saw Dix the musical, you sick. And that's darker. God was a fan. So dark. Dark. You sick, mother. So anyway, my mom rented Death Becomes Her and I realized a huge factor was because of where my birthday lies. Instead of starting at age four in kindergarten and turning five, two weeks later, they decided to keep me at home another year because my mom had just been in this horrible car accident. The car exploded on us while we were in the car and all the steam burnt up by mom's legs. So she decided for us to stay home together for a year. We were living with my grandmother and that meant we spent a lot of time watching movies together and she'd make semi-regular trips to the movie store, the movie rental place. The blockbuster, if you will. For the VHS. And I'd request Death Becomes Her every time and then I'd just watch it on a loop. So when I tell you and I watched it again last night in preparation for today, I have never tested it. So I don't want to make this hyperbolic statement that I can't back up, but I'm fairly certain I could say every line. I believe you. I could do it with the movie definitely, but I'm fairly certain I could just do it from memory. Could you do? But I don't want to be certain about that because there's all those interstitial scenes that don't include Merrill or Goldie. Not for you. Or Isabella, you know what I mean? But I'm saying even though you should, while the musical is concurrently on Broadway, you should stage a one-person Jinx monsoon. Does the movie Word for Word of Death Becomes Her? Listen, if I had capacity for anything else at this point, I mean that sounds like a great plan for next year. And next year is a too far away. No, this Christmas, this Christmas we want to see it. We want to see it. But you love it. You love the Jinx and Dayla holidays. Just open up for yourselves. Well, I say every line, Dayla lip-syncs it. Play every character. It's a too-unbeatable entertainment. I say every line live from memory and she lip-syncs live to me, speaking live. To a live simultaneous vote, not tracks from the movie, not any audio from the movie. But all the underscoring which is available on Spotify because it's on many of my playlists. Oh, I do love that. It's funny. You think you're going to the Jinx and Dayla Death Becomes Her to see one of you play Goldie and one of you play Merrill and the gag is that it's just you speaking and her lip-syncing. No constant. So we both are the entire movie. Exactly. In this way you both get to live out both. Perfect. And speaking of the musical, I can't stop listening to the music. He just recently saw it too. I gotta say, I told this directly to Megan. Sorry, Megan Hilton. Yeah, of course. You know, Jen and Megan and Michelle, they were also wonderful. Destiny's Child. Telling my kids the space. Meg from Destiny's Child. Hilty from Destiny's Child. Jennifer Stemard. Imagine the Beyonce's who were both with them popping out. Yes. They were so amazing. They were in terror. I saw the show. I was thoroughly entertained from. We saw the V. We went the same way to that with Jen Harris. Yes. Yes. And you took her shot. I'm so glad I'm in good company. Yeah. It's a name drop so firm. So you went to see the show. I said to Megan, didn't get a chance to say it to Jen, but Jen and I have a special relationship. I'll talk about that next. But I said to Megan, you and Jen and really Michelle, all three of them like delivering incredible drag performances. Oh yeah. You know, like, and it's just really inspiring to see the doors I have opened. Honestly. For them to be creative. You created the type. They were able to do drag on Broadway. They were. Paul Tazzo was able to design drama. Yes. He did those. Because you three years ago. Eight those months up. I told you about design. No, you weren't with us. I'm teasing, of course, but I thought of that joke while I was brushing my teeth. So I had to get it off. You had to get it off. And if I didn't do it, I would have been so pissed and I would have been anxiety texting you afterward. Jen Stemard and I presented together at the Drama Desk Awards. Different from the Drama League Awards. Oh yeah, there's a drama league. I got them in the right. Yeah, I was drama league. Nick Barish was drama desk. So anyway, I'm presenting with Jen. We're both very feminine redheads. I made the joke while we're presenting because she was wearing a low cut dress. Amazing boobs. Yeah. Sorry. I mean, yeah, I mean, like, that's the thing is like, if you're going to wear a dress like that, it's probably because you know you have incredible flonks to blast. If you got a flaunt, right? So you're presenting. We're standing next to each other kind of looking a little like each other, except some key differences. Right. And so I said, I feel like we're standing at opposite ends of a feminine spectrum. And she said, but both redheads. And I was like, yeah, yeah. And then so now every time I see her, she does this thing that I absolutely adore. And I hope saying it publicly doesn't mean she stops doing it because I hate when that happens. When I tell someone I like something they do and then the next day they stop doing it because they feel insecure of this thing. They should never stop. I was actually giving them their flowers on. Anyway, she just goes, that's my friend. That's my friend. That's my friend. That's my friend. And then she comes over to me and we take a picture and she goes, that's my friend. That's adorable. That's very cute. I just fucking love it. They're all so incredible. I've been singing along to the soundtrack and Chris Sieber. Oh, he's so good. The whole cast. Incredible. Chris Sieber is amazing direction. The character of Stefan and the actor's name is escaping me right now because I haven't been on Instagram in weeks. So I haven't seen his name recently. But so good. Like what a great way to flesh out a throwaway character from the movie. You know what I mean? 100%. I mean, you love death becomes her so much that because and I know this ties back to what you were saying in the beginning. Like, you know, you were making things when there were opportunities given. I mean, like fresh off the drag race. When in season five you you do this documentary called drag becomes her. And like, I think that I think there is this like spiritual like importance to this film that you have in you. Well, yeah. And like, like beyond like the performances and the looks and like this. I feel like I learned every okay. So part of my dramaturgy of this, I'm like trying to make it all make sense of why it made me. So one big thing I do with my characters these days is I you know, I start with finding their voice, but I also start with finding their relationship to power because I see how people with immense power behave. And it was something we talked about in acting school. And the best advice about playing drunk. I got in acting school. I went to Cornish College of the Arts in Seattle, Washington. Howlrider said to me, the mistake young actors make about playing drunk is going like, oh, I'm drunk. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. A drunk person tries to hide the fact that they're trying to focus. You know, you know what I mean? Anyway, oh, God, that damn back to power. Power, relationship to power. People who have a lot of power can either be benevolent or malevolent. You know, they can either abuse it or they can be generous with it. And that's a spectrum, right? And then I spent a lot of time doing pieces set in specific time periods where women had limited agency. And I've been thinking about that a lot as a trans woman in this time period and how there is something spiritual right now for me. I feel it very deeply as a witch that helping tells the disenfranchisement story, helping talk about these women who probably have bad reputations, yes. Or I don't know that the real Mary taught. She has a freckled reputation. But you know, I'm like, some of these women that seem so extreme, I'm thinking Judy Garland, right? Like, you know, we know how and why she passed away at a very early age. And then I try to, since I've spent so much time with her, I try to think of like, you know, what she was dealing with, the context of her life being completely disenfranchised and having almost no agency in your life. And then you are a household name that has to like, convince people to hire you because you promise you'll be on your best behavior, you know, like that duality in a person to know you have that inside, but you also have this inside. Yeah. And for everyone to know you have a two and that gives them even more power because they know they're controlling. Exactly. And so I was thinking today about Madeline Ashton and Helen Sharp and their relationship to power. And they both believe that their power is derived from their sex appeal. Because there's a man in the mix. Because there's a man in the mix. Right? Like Helen has found her dream man and she believes, you know, she says, I need to see you could pass the Madeline Ashton test. Like that's the final test before we get married, because if you meet her after we get married and you can't pass the test, it will break me. I just know it will because it almost has every other time it's happened. Right? So when Madeline is able to steal him away, she's like, of course, because she's sexier than I am. And then she gives up on her life. And then she finds she finds a way to sex appeal, which is going to give her the power to get back at someone like Madeline Ashton, who even though was a personal friend has a lot of protection around her. Right? She calculates this whole freaking plan. Madeline Ashton is dealing with the fact that as a woman in Hollywood, her youth and her beauty are her power. That's her power. So, you know, it's also sex appeal. But it's like Helen's need for the potion is completely different from Madeline's. But they are both because of their extreme circumstances. And those extreme circumstances like you've already mentioned were because a man was in the mix and because they're women at that time. So I just lined it up with my own life. And that's what gives it the spiritual meaning. I'm like, yeah, that's as long as I'm helping, you know, tell those stories authentically and helping you care for the character that at first glance seems that's that's a crazy person. Right? But then when you really listen to her and really empathize with her, and if you can get your audience to do that, then they realize this is just a woman under extreme circumstances. And then hopefully, hopefully that sinks in whoever they are, whether they needed to hear it or whether they already knew it. It's either a beautiful affirmation or it's a lesson that I swear to God, I hope they got, you know? Well, it's all about like, and this is something you probably experienced in your own life where it's like, what is my locus of control? Like, do I make things happen or do things happen to me? And death becomes yours about two women who like make things happen because things have happened to them. Does that make sense? I don't wear a little stone, but it's like that's like. No, I mean, I have never been more lucid. No, it's like, with death becomes her. I thought about this today. When I'm telling you I prepared, this is what I mean. Death becomes her. It's like drag queens keep things alive that are important to us and queer people do too, you know? But like, drag queens are the ones that like keep it present in the queer culture. We are the ones who every year deliver those costumes that make you remember those characters or we do the drag parody version of it or we do drag numbers inspired by when Madeline Ashton falls down the stairs, which I saw at a nightclub that had along. You could either wait, they could either hit the music when you made your way to the stage. Like you could quietly, discreetly make your way to the stage and then hop up and they hit the music or because they had a follow spot, you could start at the top of the staircase. It's like if you actually shouldn't fell down the stairs while that music was. Luckily, I never did because I always started at the top of the staircase. I'd be like the dress is Chanel shoes. Why is that like walking down the stairs? It's like, I see me, you know, like it was a chance to do that. Right. And so I think it was there. I think I saw, I hope it was there and I didn't tell that whole thing for no reason, but I hope the drag queen hears the story, whoever or wherever she was. She did a number where it was like started with her at the top of the stairs doing like I see me or maybe she didn't do that number, whatever. She's doing a number at the top of the stairs and like the blue costume. And then fakes falling down the stairs. There's like sound covering it and stuff. The follow spot is like looking for her at the bottom of the stairs. She rips off the blue costume and now she's got the tits on back. You see that the tits are on her back and she's got the costume on backward and that the next cell twisted. And then I don't remember what the number was, but she performed a number, but it doesn't matter what the number was because as long as it was the perfect number, it's like, how fucking brilliant is that? So we keep these things alive for each other and down that we are having this moment where we are culture makers, you know, we are culture aficionados. I mean, I mean, you're a ward show. I was seeing the pictures from it. What did you think of the pictures? Yeah, I just thought I was having probably the worst FOMO of my life, you know, not because I wanted to be nominated, but because I was like, look, first of all, look at all my friends. And then second of all, look at all those like fucking muckety mucks. It's just like the Drama League award luncheon. It's like, can you believe... Army of Fowl is Goldbloom. Can you believe that you are, again, that you get to be in a room where you look at someone, whoever, and then you look over and you see... Well, that was one of your friends. That's parts of watching it, I think, because one of the cuts to the audience. The cuts to the audience were the best because it was like, oh my god, there's our friend Bianca. And then there's Sarah Michelle Geller. And it was just a real treat for just us and also our friends, like, as the circles get bigger, you know, so many people were involved in it. And I was like, wow, this is like a very personal experience that we're having watching this because it's people that we love intimately and there's people that we love externally. It is a surreal experience. Like I said, life is surreal, but I don't want to waste too much time commenting on it. I want to just really fucking enjoy it. It's like, you know, when you take a party drug, you know you have so many hours on that drug. If you spend the whole time going, am I acting weird? Am I acting weird? Yeah. Am I acting weird? That's what I'm trying to say about the whole surreal thing. Like, if every time you saw me, you were like, hey, Jinx, how are you? And I was like, life is so, oh my gosh. I can't believe how many famous people I meet every day. If that's that's not what I want to be. I want to be plugged into it. And then if it comes up naturally in a story, I'll fucking drop the name of course. But I don't want to start the conversation there. I want a conversation to happen naturally because I'm looking the person in the eyes and actually having the conversation. You don't want to be perpetually reflective because then you're not actually experiencing anything new. And that's it. Sometimes I just look down at my glass and I say, I love this. I'm in the present. I love the shape. Is that your my seat? People like to tear about my throat. Is that technically my throat? It's like, yeah, it's like you have a cup. Oh, I have a cup and it's this is a cup. This could hold so much. The possibility of this cup. I sometimes want to go back, not back, I never went, but I think it would be interesting to go for like two or three weeks to like an acting school and like get on the ground and eat the lemon. I think they have that. I probably could do it, huh? I think we both should. I could use the classes. Well, it would just be like, because there were all those tales they would tell back in NYU, like people that were in like theater, theater school and like, they'd be rolling on the ground. I saw that character you did on YouTube and the UCB. Oh, where he rolled down. What was your worst villain? Batman villain. Batman villain could have just been the worst actors actor, you know. It was amazing. Thank you. Wow, no one ever brings that up. That's a really good one. What does no one ever bring up your Batman villain character from the UCB archive on YouTube? Well, you know what? It's just funny. I saw it when it was fresh. That's strange. When it was going on, that was such a part of like, we had a different iteration of our lives and that was what I was doing. I was doing character work all the time. It's just from a phase of my life that was never this. So no one ever really knows our engagement with that. And it's funny. It's like relevant, I think, to like the conversation is, it's like when someone knows you as something a lot or does it know you as one thing? That's like something you have to break through. And then also like, you know, you and you too. And I think of Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson. I mentioned I love that movie. Did I mention it? You said it was dark. You said it was dark. Oh, I was I was being snipy for comedy. But it's actually, I'll tell you the same thing I told the boys. I love that. No, I'll tell you the same thing. We went to dinner sometime after I had watched the movie a couple times. And I said, I need to tell you, I love the film. However, I had to come to that decision only because my anxiety around the idea of the whole slippery slope argument. And then I really thought about it. And I really thought about it. And I was like, that's their fear, not mine. I know that that's not real. How come straight men can make the most disgusting, vile, horrible jokes? But if it's, you know, normalized, then we just go, men be a man or boys being boys. And I thought they weren't making movies like that anymore. I'm like, oh, no, I just stopped seeing them. The beautiful thing I love is the movie is satirical. And it's like showing you, do you see how ridiculous you're being? That's like, to me, it's like, this is the most ridiculous thing you can imagine. Let's show them. Let's show them what that actually looks like. There's no slippery slope or off the mountain. It's like, we're calling, we're saying God is a faggot. It's like, it's exactly, we're saying the most crazy, the greatest thing. And it's a wonderful song. And it's a great song. And you want to sing it afterwards. I started saying to myself, it's like, why do Trey Parker and Matt Stone get to make their shitty commentary? And no matter what they say, it's like, it's satire. It's satire. It's so they can be as transphobic as they want. It's satire. It's satire. Don't get offended. It's satire. And I was like, well, thank the gods that we are at this point now that queer people are, one, there's not the scarcity, two, we don't have to be a singular archetype of character. We can, I described it as like, when I played a Dr. Who villain, it's like, I'm so glad I'm here in this era when queer people are back to being villains. Because it was when we realized that queer people being villains was a mockery, of our characteristics. And that stopped being a thing. Well, now we're back to queer people being actors and mainstream things. That's not so crazy. So we can be villains again. Anyway, and then you and the boys have a mutual connection in UCB. And it reminds me that like, drag race is this sisterhood where we don't even have to be on the same season. But those of us, like I said, the familiar faces, like, I mean, I could list them, but like, there's so many drag queens doing things that I think 20 years ago when I started drag, I thought that's surely not possible. When I started in college and gave up drag briefly, seasonally, and told myself I had to give up drag to be a serious actor. That was a lie. I told myself, by the way. It's protective. Yeah, yeah. I was just scared that if I got labeled as a drag queen, that was an end of the versatility of my acting. Then I eventually made the decision, you know, like, yeah, they warn you about being pigeonholed and they warn you like, do you just want to be a character actor? Do you want to have the ability to do everything? And I'm like, well, I know how you have the ability to do everything. But I also know I'm one hell of a character actor. So if I put that foot forward, at least I'm guaranteeing work. And I worked a lot straight out of college. And I did a lot of classical work that was stuff that like, that's a drag queen playing mistress quickly in Henry the fifth. And half the people didn't know it was a drag queen, you know. So I've always been doing what I do. It's just like, I found my way in. And drag and drag race has allotted so many of us a way into doing something we were damn sure we could do. Yeah. Like Bob the drag queen says it like why she auditioned. She said she was she's a stand up comedian and a brilliant actor. And lots of things, right? Bob is an incredible human whom I love. And lots of things has lots of partners for all the things. Many different versions. But the mini shades of Bob the drag queen. No, it's just like again with the tangent. She needed the platform to get those opportunities. Yeah. I saw drag race and I said I could do that. But she also knew she could do a lot of other things. Doing that thing would make it. And Rue says it all the time. Like if God and I'd say if you know the goddesses or if the universe or if whatever opens a fucking pathway, you like take it. And if you know you have other things in you, you'll find a way to redirect yourself back there. Even if it's just a hobby. You know, there's some people who have hobbies that have nothing to do with their work and they love that. My work is my lifestyle. So it's hard to I mean, video games are my that I guess video games. And oh, you know what? And that's why I won't do I did like I'll do like a limited like I'm going to stream a video game for a charity or for whatever. But you're not going to commodify it otherwise because Exactly. Because that's mine and it has nothing to do with drag other than the fact that it inspires some of my look. That's fine. That fills the well. Well, I hope you've taken notes at home. We will move into I don't think so honey here now. Is this how long the episode was supposed to be or did I go over? No, you were not going to end it. Oh, thank God. Because I'm so verbose and I always overtake. Well, I kept identifying when it was a tangent. Because we started with I don't need to rehash. You can scroll back. And you could just you know, listen to the episode once more as I'm sure lots of you people do Listen to me. Give us two streams. I do the same things over and over and over because I find new things to it every time. Hey there, this is Josh from Stuff You Should Know with a message that could change your life. The Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring podcast playlist is available now. Whether Spring has sprung in your neck of the woods yet or not, the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist will make you want to get your overalls on, get outside, and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to do my I Don't Think Something New in my life, which is frustrating. This is our 60-second segment we take to rant and rave, rail, rack, things in culture that need to be all those things. So here we go. You have something. Yeah, I have something. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many of his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that you can develop new allergies. If I, my entire life, haven't had a thing, I don't want the thing at 35. Suddenly, what a random age for you to attack me, goddess, or another nature, whoever. What I'm talking about is the fact that I sometimes have to put a little makeup on for our jobs. And I think that I, around my eyes, you can see I've developed some sort of contact dermatitis, rosacea, and more around my eyes. It's suddenly I have a skin allergy. 30 seconds. I've got to go hypo, I guess. They're saying words to me like hypoallergenic. And I have always loved going places and them saying, do you have any allergies? And saying, no. Suddenly, you're going to throw this barricade in front of me. And I'm going to have to leap over it like the hurler would. And I don't want to hurtle. I want to sit on the side and enjoy my life of not this rash. I don't think so, honey. And I still have more time, huh? Itchy, itchy, boo boo. I don't think so, honey. Itchy, itchy, boo boo. That's one minute. I, all of a sudden, like, it'll be the day after or two days after. My face will break out. Suddenly, I have like sensitive skin. Why? No, because our immune systems are trash. Hate that transition. I, what? What do you mean? Our immune systems. They do get worse, don't they? It's out of our hands. I don't know why we haven't evolved out of, you know, makeup. Oh, you're probably right. I'm saying, but I don't know. We're, like... You need to psychologically and like emotionally and spiritually evolve out of makeup. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm mostly physiologically like evolve out of makeup because otherwise, because it's just the allergy that's done. You're right. You're right. Exactly. I, okay. And either would work. We could physiologically age out, but we need, we do like to have it for play. But yeah, no, for some reason, like it's just, it's been happening. And I guess I got to see my derm. I think the answer to why late in life at first I was, I had to respect that it was your time because I want to be like, tell me all now. Like, no, I just my own thoughts. No, like I have any really information. Yeah. I think about this. Why do you think they happen? Well, because there's so many things. Yeah. That's what we're doing. We're putting in our stuff. That we have no fucking idea. I mean, you know, we're having the microplastics conversation. Oh, we are having that conversation. I don't even want to pull up this thread because then people weaponize that idea, which is true, but then skew it. To be something else. To be something else. And I don't even need to list. No, we all know. Examples. I know that I have a PS5 controller in my brain. It's the amount of microplastics that I think that it's yeah, they say that the amount of microplastics and all of our brains is like, yeah, it's like it's solid matter. If they really want to put it together, it's cuckoo crazy. I have at least quadrupled that based on the microwave meals that I eat for pleasure. When I am stoned and I'm going to go home and eat my McElena's. Yeah. Do you ever have a microwave? All the time. My stoffers and I've been cutting back ever since the microplastics conversation has been moved into this room. No, I'm glad we're talking about this. Come out of the closet. I have another food thing and that's my I don't think so. This is Boen Yang's. I don't think so. And his time starts now. I don't think so. Any eggs? What the fuck? What are you? Someone explained to me the egg of it all. It's a bunch of plasma and a yolk and there's a film around that where you if you crack the egg, the membrane of the egg is the thing that makes it hard so that if you have shards of egg in your container in which you're trying to whisk the egg, it is virtually impossible to take out to extract a shard of eggshell. You need guess what? Another piece of eggshell to scoop it out. But then that runs the risk of more eggshell going into the fucking thing that you don't know. I guess I'll try my luck with a spoon, a chopstick, but then no, it is always, it is never worth it. 15 seconds. And this morning I've been practicing my one hand egg crack because guess what? I turn myself on. That's right. I get off to myself when I crack an egg with one hand and then I looked like a damn fool eating a shard filled omelet while I could have been having something actually normal. Don't eat meat. Only eat. Don't go animal based. Only plant based. That's literally it. I didn't know. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm not saying that. No. No. Don't even do that. No. I could not agree with you. Sit down. No. But that doesn't deserve a standing owe. Yes. I love you. Yes. Because I have spent my whole life. Yeah. Having to explain to people. The egg. The shard. The shell. No. It's just like. First of all. Yes. You are correct on all of that. But the standing ovation was just to find another person. Who had that many complaints. Who's like you. I'm with you. Eggs. Because they are such a popular food. way you scoff. Well, because I had them today. Right, okay. That's what I've dealt with my whole life is everyone likes eggs. Everyone loves eggs. And do I like things where eggs are an ingredient? Of course. Sure. But eggs. Dealing with them. Eating them as the thing I don't like. It is horrible what they start as. So also dealing with them, but I just don't, I don't like the flavor. I don't like the texture. There's so many ways to prepare them. I've tried them all. Don't like them. Don't like them. I don't like eggs. But then I say that and then people think I'm vegan. So then I have to go on this whole fucking thing. And if they don't do that, then I go, I don't like eggs. And they go, you don't like eggs? Have you tried them scrambled? Have you tried them fried? And then I'm like, oh my God, please not again with the eggs. So most of the time when people, and then it's like, you don't like eggs? Are you vegan? And I'm like, yeah, I'm vegan. Cause I'm like, this will save time. And then the breakfast I am delivered is nothing because they didn't have anything. It's so shocking when, whenever anyone thinks that just like a piece of bread is toast. Yeah, it's sliced through and it's not toast. It's real culture number six. A piece of bread is not toast. The creativity that disappears when you say, I don't want an egg in my thing. Well, they go, oh, well, I guess we could do. We don't have any tofu. It's like, why? I think it's because of the consistency. I don't like the egg itself. So anyway, I feel like you can like eggs themselves, but your ability to hate them that much at the same time, to hold that much capacity of hatred for eggs. I have finally found one other person who at least shares some kind of passion about that hatred. I have a bad comedy idea for you guys. You and Jicks should sing. Rihanna, hate that I love you. So, you know that one, but like with eggs in the back, this is like a bad comedy idea. You do it like little fields in 2013. But I'm the haze. Those were the days. And I represent the hate. And Bowen represents the lie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like it's just a like 90s throwback. You guys would have been the and I free tear at that. Me and with you. Oh, I do that with Janks. You know, I do it with Joe. Oh, and you do that with Joe. Do it with Joe. Oh, Joe. You could never be Joe. About the microplastics and then Michelinas. I was at Michelinas. Anyway, I hate the. Gasolina and Michelin together. Michelina. I ate them in college. Yes, delicious. Delicious. Listen, though. You were in Wic. Yeah. Those are like a dollar a pop. I'm sure they're like what five bucks a pop now. They were a dollar a pop in college. Yeah, the Michelinas. And you say you could probably get a deal. There's something about the point is you can get something that is exactly like that that might cost more, but it will be so much kinder to your body and it will satisfy all the same things. And I'm not even saying healthy. I'm not even saying healthy. You have reached this point in your career that if you want to get a take home. Take and bake lasagna. Or if you want to get something that you put in your oven. I know you know what? You probably have the money to get one of those air fryer. The number. I mean, there's so many things. You could really step up your game is all I'm saying. Unless what you need is the Michelinas, in which case I totally get because I have a can of dinty more beef stew for the very same reason. I was going to say. But I know that there is going to be a day. I just once again need to taste dinty more beef stew. I used to do it on tour and Michelle Visage would say, start in your day with a little dinty more there because it would be nine a.m. and I'm beating beef stew because my body block was all off. Spaghetti of my pantry would freak y'all out. I get them once in a blue moon. I need spaghetti of the chef's boy or deep beef ravioli in a can. Microwave. I make them on the stove. There's still plot, but there's the plastic. I'm sure it's all processed in the same plant. My high horse, you can't avoid it. It's crazy. And it's probably my favorite food. There's some more. There's some plastic. You know, I mean, listen, we can't escape. I'm sorry. I should have cleared it with you before. No, no, no, no, I feel you're used to. Because I'll tell you what was really good. Our reactions. So no cuts. No, no cuts. Don't worry. I just also got very self conscious that I might have not been taxed. But you know what? I'm embracing. We're not. The Hollywood works for you. Imagine how. Thank you. OK, Bo, you can don't bleep it. I want people to know that it's an anxiety I deal with. Are you ready to do your out of things on me? Hold on. Good. Yeah. We have sure that we are clear. Totally. OK. Are you ready now? I hope so. This is Jinx Monsoons. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Where has everyone's manners gone? Where the fuck have all your manners gone? Where have all your manners gone? Because I am so serious. I feel like if I try to empathize and if I try to figure out why no one has any manners anymore, and I think it's the pandemic and we all had to like, you know, socially isolate and you know, you could. It was like, don't say hi to your friends. So we took that on. But like manners, it's like it's not going to kill you to leave the whole door open for two seconds. You know, it's not going to kill you to not be a cunt to people while you walk down the street. You know, what happened to like just common decency? Look up from your phone when you're having a conversation with people, you know, and while I'm clearing the air, it's like a condoms. What's that all about? I paid for the research. I donated my money to that cancer research fund. It's a moot point anyway. I have diaphragms now. That's one minute. Whatever happened to good breeding and. Nice manner. Is it nice manners and good breeding? Is I hopefully both. We both. You know, you know that I thought long and hard about everything we discussed today that I knew was on the docket, right? And you wanted to really go to him. Thank you for sticking to this. I really thought long and hard about that. And I'm like, is this going to sound classist? Is this it's not about class. It's literally common decency. It's don't slam the door behind you when you see me coming. I don't think it's no small fault to our leaders showing no class or decorum that now people feel like that's that's out. They're social malaise and therefore everybody is like in their own little space. And listen, in Times Square, I'm just trying to get through as quickly as possible. But I'm not being a while I'm doing it. In fact, because I'm from the Pacific Northwest, I would rather go out into the street and walk around a crowded sidewalk. Maybe I do it in a huff if I'm late. I try not to be late because I anyway. Um, but I'm so passive aggressive that I'd rather walk around the issue than say excuse me because I'm so scared it's going to come out. Excuse me. And then you wouldn't be having the but you'd be having good manners. You could you give five children wrangles so that I can get to my rehearsal. Because your kids wrangles want to say I'm a Broadway star. But that's what we're talking about. And they can feel it as you swiftly pass by. So anyway, I have a personal investment in people like remembering to just be decent to one another. For many, many reasons. One, because I'm a person and we're all just people. And like, how the hell are you going to make life hell for everyone else? Like, that's who you want to be. You want to add to the problem. You see a problem and you want to add to it. You want to press the door close button. I'm in a building where I have never seen so many people get on an elevator and press the door close button frantically. Like in front of you as you're about as you get into their one time. That sucks. But mostly it's like I'm in. I hold the door open for them to then watch them go. I'm like, yeah, it brings out something. Breaking my brain. It's breaking my brain because I don't I used to joke like, you know, people are like, how'd you get to be so polite or whatever? And I'm like, I just was raised right. And I how'd you get to be so polite? That's such a. You're going to be so sweet. How'd you get to be so sweet? I'm very nasty. Won't you tell me there? Come back to me. How'd you get to be so sweet? I could also do why Matt TV is a big part of culture that made me. You know, we have to do a podcast. It was my goal to have all I had Nicole Sullivan. I know Colin Stephanie. We're fucking you've had a long. No, no, I'm saying like you need to do this. Tell you I've oh, yeah, I would love to host a reunion the way Andy Cohen does with Housewives and just talk about him as drag him. Do you know if there were any reason to do like a live hi jinx? Oh, my God, I think you just I think you just do I have to pay you now? No, we can talk about producer stuff on there. On here, we're going to say no, absolutely not. But then we're like really mean and sharpie with that lawyer. I want to cut of that tour you do with the mad TV women. Oh, no, no, no, nothing happens here. Then we don't have a piece of it. Are we getting this? Don't anyone I want to produce it. I'm going to produce it. We're all going to come produce. You want to be an angel donor, of course. An angel donor. Oh, there's me. Listen, Jinx is still in on Mary till the 20 damn eighth. We went in time of our lives. But of course we did. You're fucking brilliant. Oh, thank you. And we love you as well. We love you dearly. Thank you. We end every episode. Every single episode with a song. You know what's in my head? Do you want to have fun? Fun, fun. How's about a few laughs? Laughs, I can show you. Fun, laughs, good time. Fun, laughs, good time. Fun, laughs, good time. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. And then there's a bunch of stuff about what happens when you walk to the joint. You can find that online. Wee! Bye! Las Culturistas is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and I Heart Radio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bo Agniesz. 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