Drink Champs

#Throwback Episode - w/ The Beatnuts | (Ep.77)

83 min
Apr 1, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN host The Beatnuts (Juju and Psycho Les) from Queens to discuss their legendary career in hip-hop, their pivotal role in launching Big Pun's career with the classic record 'Off the Books,' and their influence on producers like Kanye West and No ID. The episode explores their journey from record digging and beat production to becoming foundational figures in East Coast hip-hop culture.

Insights
  • The Beatnuts' collaboration with Big Pun was organic and based on mutual respect rather than calculated A&R strategy, yet it became the defining moment that launched Pun's career and established the group's legacy
  • Record digging and hands-on production (beats, engineering, mixing) were essential to the Beatnuts' creative process and directly influenced the next generation of producers including Kanye West
  • Geographic and cultural pride in Queens/Corona shaped the Beatnuts' identity and their ability to represent their neighborhood authentically, which resonated with audiences and inspired peers
  • The independent label model (Relativity Records) enabled creative freedom and artist development that major labels couldn't provide at the time, allowing groups like The Beatnuts to thrive
  • Mentorship and community support within hip-hop culture—from Native Tongues to Chris Lighty's management—created pathways for emerging artists that transcended traditional industry gatekeeping
Trends
Independent hip-hop labels as incubators for authentic artist development and creative controlRecord digging and sample-based production as foundational skill for modern producersGeographic authenticity and neighborhood representation as competitive advantage in hip-hopOrganic collaboration and mutual respect over transactional A&R relationships in creating breakthrough recordsMentorship networks and community ecosystems driving artist discovery and career developmentProducer-as-artist model where production credits and beat-making become primary value propositionNative Tongues collective influence on East Coast hip-hop culture and artist developmentCross-generational knowledge transfer in hip-hop production techniques and philosophy
Topics
Big Pun's breakthrough and 'Off the Books' record creationThe Beatnuts' production methodology and beat-making processRecord digging and sample sourcing in 1990s hip-hopRelativity Records and independent label modelNative Tongues collective and East Coast hip-hop cultureQueens/Corona neighborhood influence on hip-hop identityChris Lighty's management and artist developmentKanye West and No ID as students of The Beatnuts' productionChi-Ali and early 1990s Queens hip-hop sceneDynamic duo partnerships in hip-hop productionHip-hop authenticity and neighborhood representationProducer credits and royalties in hip-hopJungle Brothers and early Native Tongues influenceFat Joe's career and relationship with The BeatnutsSample clearance and beat reuse in hip-hop
Companies
Relativity Records
Independent label that signed The Beatnuts and provided creative freedom for their production work and artist develop...
iHeart Media
Podcast network that distributes Drink Champs, the show on which this episode aired
Loud Records
Label mentioned in connection with Big Pun's career and hip-hop releases from the era
People
The Beatnuts (Juju and Psycho Les)
Queens-based legendary hip-hop producers and primary guests discussing their career and influence
Big Pun
Breakthrough artist featured on The Beatnuts' 'Off the Books' record, which launched his career
N.O.R.E.
Co-host of Drink Champs podcast and Queens native discussing The Beatnuts' influence on his career
DJ EFN
Co-host of Drink Champs podcast and Miami hip-hop pioneer
Chris Lighty
Signed The Beatnuts and managed artist development including Chi-Ali and other Relativity artists
Fat Joe
Queens rapper and label mate of The Beatnuts on Relativity Records
Kanye West
Identified as student of The Beatnuts' production philosophy and record digging techniques
No ID
Chicago producer taught record digging by The Beatnuts, influenced by their production approach
Chi-Ali
Early 1990s Queens artist whose debut album was produced by The Beatnuts
Jungle Brothers
Native Tongues collective members who influenced The Beatnuts' early career and community
Quotes
"If it wasn't for the beat nuts, there would never be a component in the Ariaga"
N.O.R.E.Mid-episode
"We were just friends doing the record together. It was friends, mutual respect doing the record together"
The Beatnuts (Juju/Psycho Les)Discussing 'Off the Books' creation
"If we do this one, we're gonna blow. Exact words."
Big Pun (recounted)Discussing beat selection for 'Off the Books'
"We make beats, you know? And both of y'all make beats. But we early from the culture, so we did it all"
The BeatnutsDiscussing production philosophy
"Hip hop is alive. We want to thank you for keeping it by by"
The BeatnutsClosing remarks
Full Transcript
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. Yeah, what's up, y'all? What's going on, brother? Drink Chance Radio. He's a legendary Queens rapper. Hey, Hank Sangria. This your boy here in OI. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What up is DJ EFN? Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in music and sports. You know what I mean? The most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts. This is DrinksChampion Radio, where every day is New Year's Eve. Let's go! Hey, Hank Sangria. Hope you're safe here. It's your boy, N.O.R.E. What up is DJ EFN. And this is G.Chance. What's up, fucking podcast? Make some noise! And right now, we have the unequivocally... Fucking Queens Day up in this motherfucker. It's Queens Day. We interview LL Cool J and now we interview Queens. That's a hard act to follow. If these guys, if it wasn't for them, LL R.E., the might of not been existed. Because they come from Corona. Yes, sir. Not only they come from Corona, they come from a part of Corona that I come from. True indeed. And they represented it before me. They represented it after me. And they're gonna represent it. After you! Whatever happens after that, you're gonna rip it after the Mexican's getting it. And right now, we got the beat nuts in the motherfucking million dollar factory. Yes, sir! Now, off top, when I think of the beat nuts, I think of the first record I ever heard pun on. Yeah. Ever. Pun. I gotta actually relax. I don't know. You got mad dreads, but you gotta relax. The first record I ever, ever, ever heard. Your poem. Poem. I gotta actually relax. Welcome to Dreamchamps, guys. The first record I ever, ever, ever heard pun on was on the beat nuts record. Was it off the books? Was there something before that? Officially? No. No pun? Firewater Freeto was the first one that he had. No, first on Fat Joe's was Ray Kwan. Yeah, but this is the first official. The U.N. Killers 12-inch. U.N. X-Retout Cypress. Still, I can lie to the Lord. Can I go with him? No, I can go with him. I'm from the Cypress family. I'm the back cat. Oh, you're the back cat? Yeah, I go ahead and I'm glad to be in. Where you at? Oh, no, yeah. So it was really... No, no, there was a joint with Cypress. No, no, there was a joint with him and Cypress. No. Yes, yes, and the record with him and Cypress. Stop, stop. You're not giving them the props. Okay. You're not giving them the props. The first... Yo, I don't know who you are, but you gotta leave. He's not giving them the props. Especially Capone. You gotta go. Listen. What I will say, it wasn't the first one, but it definitely was the one that... It was the one that made him... Made him bring the noise. Made noise, yeah. I'm gonna... You know, that was a big record. Urban Legend, hey, hey, pretend you went and got $10 million from my man after that. No, that was a big record. You know what I'm saying? Let's make some noise for that. Make some noise, you know what I'm saying? I'm not a legend. A legend. You guys taking a lot of days. You know what I'm saying? Take a lot of days. But yeah. You know what I'm saying? You gotta make noise. You gotta make some noise. You gotta make some noise. I'm definitely dating. I'm not gonna tell you to relax. I mean, he was great. He was gonna be that no matter what. For sure. You know, we would just... That's all. Catalyst. That's all. Right. So, from the first time... What happened? Describe this moment. You met Fadjo. Yeah. Right? You met Fadjo. Label mates. Yeah, we... Label mates. Did y'all was on RCA? No, Relativity. Yeah, we were... We were a Violator Artist. We started our careers at the same time. So, so... So, so Chris Lighty? Yeah, Chris Lighty signed it. Okay. Let's take that. Let's rewind that. And Toxicated Demons. Native Tongue. All that. Yeah, well, we was doing that shit before. I'm just saying, you skipping mad shit, you know? No, no, I like... I like... No, don't rub your nipples, bro. Don't rub your nipples. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about... It's the underbelly. The underbelly. And you told... Listen, Psycho... Psycho Dallas? What is it? What the fuck are you just saying? What did you just say, bro? You said some crazy shit. The Toxicated Demons. The Toxicated Demons. Is that where it started? Yeah, that was the... Was Pun on Toxicated Demons? No, no, no. Okay. Continue. Pun was... That was... Ninety... Toxicated Demons was 93. Right? That was the first record. I was in jail. I shot niggas in juice. Sorry. Apologize. So, yeah, that was the first one. Pun didn't come around... That was 93. Pun didn't get on Art Record till 97. That was on the Stone Crazy album. But did you originally want Pun? Or you originally wanted Joe? No, Pun. And Cubans on the record too, right? Yeah, because Pun... Yeah, Cubans on the record too. Yeah. Yeah, that was the Pun. It was kind of like, you know, we just want to do a record together. That's it. Nobody knew it was going to do that, you know what I'm saying? Like, to be honest with you, another allegedly the story I heard was that, you know, Joe was actually upset because the Cuban was on the record. From back down? Yeah. So, you know... Oh, wow. So, you know, I was like, you know, we didn't know. We didn't... You know, you're just doing the record as friends together. You never know what it's going to do. Yes. And that record blew. Yeah, it's a classic hip hop record. Sweet. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. That's all saved together. I'm saying that's just boring. It's all saved together. It's all saved together. We rock and roll it with the crew. It's all saved together. We can't say that. We have to just make a noise. All right, one, two, three. One, two, three. I'm not going to have any more. I'm not going to have any more. That record. Yeah. One, two, three. I don't know what your whistle was. I have a tracal for this shit. I still have a whistle. I still have a whistle for this shit. I still have a whistle. But you know, my man... Man, my man, DJ Butch Rock told me I could not drink before coming to the show because I had to drink on the show. So now you can drink on the show. Your man, Junkie, or Jude, I'm a wild ass nigga. So I didn't even drink last night because I'm a two-day nigga. I started drinking on Thursday. You know what I'm saying? And then... I'm going down for three days. And then, you know, knock it up. And then it's time for Junk and Chirac and Champagne with Bob Ilavisky. Because I'd swat up, bitch. And the third. I'm going to have to kiss. Fashion. Oh, for the original beat. I might start drinking. Should it be nice? I'm getting the shakes. Outerique. Yeah, outerique. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Outerique. It broke up because of some other reasons. But y'all from Corona, for real. Yeah, we're Corona. Jackson, huh? It's all that. So what happened? Oh, man, shit. Disaster. You know, you grew up in Corona, block parties, man. You had ULS, fucking Chiba Clan, Stay Hot Crew. I like Chiba Clan. Yeah. J-Rock and... J-Rock. We grew up in that culture. And he locked up, you know. That's money. J-Rock, yeah. J-Rock. Yeah. We got a lot of likes. Okay, continue. So I mean, you know, we grew up in that culture, you know what I'm saying? Like, hip hop was... I thought it was my bottle of whiskey. We get all kinds of things. How you doing, sir? How you doing, sir? Going down. We got Pong, Pong, Poojabi, and all of this. Yeah. I was straight. We get Poojabi and shit. He worked. He worked. All right. And you smashed, yo? Yo, that's the one. Yo, come on, brother! Good for you. Good, Pong. I just got to do it. Yeah, Chichi. Chichi got too much in here. Chichi got too much in here. Chichi got too much in here. I'm gonna have to tell you to relax and relax. You know what I'm saying? You're not gonna do that. Good, Juju. I don't know. I forgot what the fuck I was saying. You were smashing the Poojabi in the seat. I'm no good sober, man. I'm horrible. No, no. I'm just fine. No, no. Shit. Trust me. Is that muscle Jameson? To like him waiting for the drinking guy to come up here. No fucking Jameson. Good. Nah, I don't drink that shit, man. Why not? I don't drink that shit, man. Well, that is a great person. I'm drink that shit. Shut up! It's not because of Pong, man. It's because of Ditty. To love Pong, Ditty. Why? Because of Pong. Not because of Ditty. You know what? Don't fall for Ditty. Everybody know Jude Jameson, man. Jude Jameson. I know Torey's for that. I'm not saying that. Torey's Rick Jameson. That's what we call it. Rick Jameson. Rick Jameson. So, go ahead. Tell us your story. Tell us your story. In the car where all the cocaine is in, getting blown on by Croatians. Ain't enough cocaine, too? Uh-huh. Yeah, for a while. I dabble. I dabble. I dabble. A little bit from Corona, my nigga. Come on, son. I'm not going to dabble. I'm mostly going to dabble. I'm mostly going to dabble. I'm mostly going to dabble. Let's just go, Gweebe. You know what I'm saying? I just don't do that molly shit. Another motherfucker. You're droggy. But Coke. Coke, we ain't in liquor. You know old school shit. So, how did they start with cocaine? How did they start? I just want to start. There's a cocaine documentary now. There's a cocaine documentary. How did they start? Shit. How did they start? 80s. 88, isn't it? In the 80s. 88, 80. Has Grandmaster Blyas came to see you? Why, I don't know. No? Nah, because it's 20. Niggum from Corona, you know. Niggum's a heroin, Coke, everything. Is the cocaine cow friends came to see you? Nah. Nah, no shit. The Colombians? I ain't sell it, man. I'm a fucking user. I don't have the balls to sell drugs. Gotta have balls to do it. I love you. I love you. It's serious. Nah, it's a serious business. Right. You might have to hurt somebody you care about. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? And you're not just not built for that. So is your boys. It's going to fuck that money up. That's exactly what I see. But at first, they came to you and you said, I'm going to sniff the whole kilo. I'm going to sniff it, see what it is. I'm not going to sell it. I'm going to sniff it. Then I'm going to call Nari and get him to move this shit. I'm definitely going to move it after you sniff it. That's the word. Come on, Jesus. How you going to move it after you sniff it? After you sniff it, I said. How you going to move it? You got to relax. You know what we know. Queens raised not a welcome, but yeah. We're on the left side of Queens. We're in Queens mess right now. No, listen. Listen. We're on the left side of Queens. We all are. You try to go at your friends. You got to relax. You got to relax. We put you. Yeah. I'm definitely. Long Island city. Yeah. Yeah, this is the west side of Queens. We heard the west side. You better relax. You better relax. That's the west side of Queens. We had a whole shit going on the north side over there. What's the whole other war going on? King Austin over there. I'm going to be honest. Tap the niggas on their shoulder. Who the fuck is he? He's giving me that James and God damn it. Butch. Come on. What he needs the money to be honest. You and him. What time is it? You're going to be honest. Niggas to us. Oh my God. OK. So you were slipping coke 100 miles an hour. How did that happen? You were in a worried flush. I said I dabbled. I said I dabbled. You said him where I flushed what? No, where he flushed gets down too. I said. I pushed you. Is that the group? That's your body. It's a flash. I don't know. I'm not testifying to anything. But you heard where he flushed. Now your ass. You all like a group. I'm not going to say that. You all like a crew. A little bit. I'm not going to say that. A little bit. Right, Juju? What is this? Broadway or what is this? A little bit. That's the best. Relax. A little bit. A little bit. You trash or flush? I have no idea what you're talking about. None whatsoever. All right. You're the slip. I'm a huge fan of yours. I'm a huge fan of both of them. I met them on a cage. You son of a bitch. You're a son of a bitch. Devil and devil. You're a son of a bitch. Now, Juju, let me tell you something. No, it's always good times. Let me speak. Let me just be clear. Yes, sir. It wasn't for Juju. Cycle lass. The beat nats. There would never be a component in the Ariaga. No, that's not true. Relax. Let me get you out. It would be erroneous on all counts. I don't know what you say. What's wrong? We're erroneous. It's raw. It's not true. All right. Let me. I used to work at Derry Mark on Danny Night's TV. Remember that was my uncle's store. Next to Lowman's. Next to Lowman's. I feel like you got to relax. I got you. I got to tell you. Let me get you some. I know what you're hurting. He was going to beat him. He was going to beat him no matter what. No, but let me get you word off. Let me tell you something. I appreciate it. The beat nats. Yes, sir. One of the most notorious groups from our neighborhood. I'm from Lefrak. The beat nats actually is from up the block from us. Corona. Corona. And not only. What's that? He loves it. He loves it. What's he doing? That's that passing cocaine? You got to have that. No. No, no, no. You got to have that. No, no, no. No, no, no. He was like, yeah. I fucking up my interview, man. I'll give it someone's profit. There's no Jameson here. Please. No. Please. Stay focused. Stay focused. Juju. Juju. Juju. Please. Stay focused. Yeah. Look at that. Don't look at him. It's hard to stay focused. Stop fucking thinking about drinking. I don't like it. Just stop. I just felt like you trying to get on his neck. I don't like it. I don't like it. They'll be like, come here. Hey, stay focused. They're playing football. They're going to stay focused. Juju. Juju. Yes, sir. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Wait here. I'm with you. I'm with you. You guys don't end this. This is straight. No, no, no. This is straight. No, no, no. This is straight. No, no. We don't end this. We don't end this. We just end this. But listen. The beatnuts, if it wasn't for the beatnuts, at the beatnuts hype, they were wrapping corona. Do you know where I'm from? I'm from Leftback City. That's good. And if I wasn't from Leftback City. Live in the hood. And if y'all wasn't from corona, I would have never been here. And he would have never been here because we're together. We're partners. Is that true components? That's absolutely true. At the end of the day, you've got to always give it up to people. Inspiration. Inspiration. Inspiration. Inspiration before. We don't win unless the team wins. Right? We're not in the same list. It's true though. Now I feel a little bit bad. Stay on Left, you got to stay strong. Because I know he's never allowed to cope. It's all good. You got to talk. You got to talk. I'm not even shit at least if I had to. I mean, you're not even a beast. He's not like the 12th. I have no idea what he just said. I'm going to have to drink. Don't let this, this, this sort of the right of you. Sequence. Listen, let me tell you something. It's beyond queensome, man. It's beyond queensome. You know what? Because these guys are the biggest of Latinos. And one of the biggest of all. The biggest of all culture. If it wasn't for them, like, honestly, it made me. Really, to me, like lyrics come second to me. My shit is music first. That's where the name beat nuts come from. It's not called the lyrics. It's the beat nuts. We make beats, you know? And both of y'all make beats. Yeah. But we early from the culture, so we did it all. We just got a DJ. We fucking break down. We fucking steal your girlfriend. Let's go back to the third girlfriend. Yeah, I blow. I'm not gonna lie. Y'all were smashing a lot of Latino bitches back in the days. Let's make some noise for that. Just a little shit is basically. Come on, come on, psycho. Come on, tell them, tell them, psycho. Everybody like going on the road with us for that reason. Because we always, you know, we bring a lot of the girls out. Yeah. Like for me, I always said that. You know, we're just a lot of girls out there. Come on, come on. How much drink? Pop that bottle. Why you put my fucking James in me? I'm just drinking this shit, man. You have a bottle of champagne. I'm drinking from a bottle of churrado. Listen, let me tell you something. I'm true Nori fashion. I'm gonna open a bottle of champagne. Listen, listen, listen. I don't know if y'all know, but in our show, we give off people flowers when they can smell them. Right. And trees when they can't handle them. Thank you. So please, can you open it up? Yeah. And then you can have that whole bottle to yourself, Juju. I don't know why you shaking like that. It wouldn't be the first time, game it. No, he's the only person ever invited to a barbecue. And everybody got their own bottle of champagne. No beers, straight champagne. That's right. Boppy champagne. Yeah, that's right. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. James. Yo, let me tell you something. Juju, psycho last. That was great. I can't thank y'all more than enough because you know why I want to thank y'all? Because my favorite rapper was on Y'all Faith. We are first record ever. Was Big Pun. Yes, sir. One of the illest. One of the illest. And I have this. Pour it out for him. That's for him. And yeah. All right. Let me get some of his shit. Yeah, pour it. Pour it for him. All right, cool. This is Pun shit. Pour it out. But this is what I want to act y'all. But. Because y'all was so popping. Y'all was so popping. What made you want to put Pun on your record at that time? We were just, it was like I said, it was a mutual respect. You know, he was a big fan of ours. We thought he was amazing. You know, we hooked up. But no one ever heard of him at that time. He was number 30. No, no, no. It was just like, I'm telling you, we were just friends doing the record together. It was friends, mutual respect doing the record together. It wasn't like, oh, yo, can I get on the record? We, you know, like that. We was just like, let's just do some crazy. Yeah. But did you see? So, Mom was coming to Queens? In your ear, it's so weird. In your ear. You know, in your ear? Yeah, in your ear. Yeah. Come on. That's about Queens, right? He used to be all up in there. He used to come with his nine-month-milly. Put it on top of this shit. No, no, he used to do it. He kept it on top of that. He was no good with them. They almost killed him and left fire. When he did that, because he came out, he was like, yo, what is Poppy at? And nobody was like, no, everybody was like, what? No, no, he said, where's Norea at? And everybody was like, no, at that time, nobody knew what Norea is. They called me Poppy. So he pulled it out and then everybody said, yo, we're going to kill this fat nigga. And then I'm like, oh, shit, I'm, I come outside. I'm like, oh, shit, no, you can't do nothing. You can't touch him. But you guys were the first person to put him on his first feature. I really need you all to get into debt of how, because you know why? Because after that record, it was over. Yeah. It was over. Like if you, if you, if you ask me my personal solo career, it's, it's, it's, um, Norea. You don't have any records? I'm super dux. No, what's the, what's the shit? I'm leaving. I'm leaving. That's my shit. Yeah. So the thing is Capone was in jail. He can't, he can't, he can't relate to it. Capone was in jail. That was Capone was in jail. That's a big record. But I get the reference of why he's saying that. But what I'm saying is Pun's record was y'all record. Like when Pun came on and y'all shit, it was over. Yeah. So did y'all, did y'all know that? Nah, I think it was just destiny. Like I told you, man, it was just some friends getting together. I actually hated that record. That I only round eight bars on it. Because I like, yeah, because listen, listen, who produced it? Who produced it? We were doing the Stone Crazy album, which is all dark. We had fucking screwball on there. You know, like, it was a really dark album. So dude, it really stuck out like a sore thumb. Who made you think, whose idea was it to put Pun on? I was in that moment. Let me tell you, let me pick up on the story. Whose idea was it to put Pun? Right? This nigga wasn't feeling the beat. So he had, we had another beat called Robden Stowe. And it was fired too. Fired, fired. Yeah. So, so we was like, fuck it, we're gonna let Pun decide. So we drove to the Bronx. Pun was like, yo, I like, I like Robden Stowe. But if we do this one, we're gonna blow. We're gonna blow. He said, yo, go exact words. If we do this one, we're gonna blow. Exact words. So we're like, say no more. Jumping, yo, nigga didn't even fit on many fronts. You had to pull out the whole backseat. The whole backseat so you could just fucking lay in there. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, man. Yeah, man. And I'm like, yeah, man. And I'm like, yeah, man. And I'm like, yeah, man. Big shout to my man. Big shout to my nigga, Swar. That's real. That's good. Yo, let's make some noise. Yeah, man. Let's get it up. Let's get it up. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Let's make some noise. Get it down. Yeah, man. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. Whatever, baby. That is. It's great. It was great. So which one of y'all taking it from here? I mean, after that, we, it was done. Dundee, we went to the studio. And what studio was this? This is Pop Lane? Brooklyn, because we was in there. Yeah, what's your Brooklyn? My house. Nah, we recorded outside of my house. Yeah. Yeah. See, I would say, I'm speculating. I'm speculating. Not like fall. Because we brought the point. You know they used to give us budgets back then for studios. So instead of going to studios, we bought equipment. No, we bought equipment with that budget. And we recorded after quality. And we recorded the time. We did it ourselves. The records and other things. That's all of it. And it's relative, isn't it? And I'm an engineer. We did all that stuff ourselves. Relativity. Yeah, relative. And y'all are relative. Yeah. So how? We just produce, engineer, all that stuff. So how does this happen? Because I imagine Fat Joe was sitting there saying, why do y'all want to punch? Fat Joe wasn't in the picture. I think he was clueless to the fact that we were doing the record. Yeah, Fat Joe wasn't even in the picture. We got, we got strong on screen with Punn. And it wasn't like it was a big, that was not. You got James. Make some noise for James. Make some noise for James. Hey! Hey! All right. Hey, y'all, James. All right, mom. Put it in the middle. Put it up. Put it up. Thank you, thank you. Finally. James, he's slow. Slow, slow. Now it's on. Slow, slow. Now it's on. We're doing bump after this shit. And it's on. Ah! You said bump after this shit. No, no, no, no. It's not. How do you get it off? You're gonna find my father's gun and beat somebody. No! That's what I love. Old school. Midi-axe. Let's make some noise for him. Yo, okay. Good, Juju. So good. Yes, I mean, I mean honestly, you know what I'm saying? It was like everybody was just kind of doing that thing at that time. So it was like, you know, I think career, career wise, pun was still, I don't know, it might have just got signed to loud. There wasn't a lot going on. No, he didn't. He didn't. So you mean he just came? Y'all, the reason, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be honest. You're honest. And you're humble. And both of y'all humble. Of course. But if y'all didn't do that record with pun, pun, that record actually made pun get signed. Yeah. I'm sitting here and I know you, you humble. At least at the, I'm saying this, I'll say this. It saved, it saved Joe a lot of, of, you know, promotional effort. Like, if you don't know that record right there is the record that made pun get signed. Not fire water, not all this other shit. That record, let's hope to hoax this shit. Come on. Let's talk about it. Yeah. Let's talk about it. The most. No. No. Another thing, let me tell you. That chorus, we was all in the room thinking of a chorus. I remember was thinking, so I'm going through my notebook because back then everything was notebooks, you know, notebooks. So I was like, I was like, y'all got this little piece of a verse. It's off the hook this year. We getting mad money off the books this year. That's all I had. Pun was like this. Ain't nothing but crooks in here. Then he finished it. So, you know, he was good for the ending. So, so. Did y'all know? And that's it. It was just a way out. Okay. Did y'all know that that one record, birthed a legend? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, birth. I mean, I'm happy to have been a part of this journey. I think he was like I said, you know, he was going to be that. A monster regardless. Wasn't that what we did throw some heat. I don't know what it would have been. Yo, what, what? Yo, fuck, make it happen. I mean, you know, I think it's going to stop that. He was going to do it regardless, but we did throw him some fire. Yeah, yeah, no classic record. Under the wood. Period. That's a classic record. That's a classic record. Oh, yeah. Let's make some noise for the boys. So, after all the books, you guys are still signed to Loud. Correct? Yeah. No, with Jake, that actually relax. We're still on, we're on relativity. Relativity. That's our time. Yeah. And now relativity, because relativity is a very interesting label. Yeah, they were independent, you know, started in Halis, Queens was independent. That was like the real. It was like straight up hard. Hip hop, like it was straight up. It was straight up. It was straight up. It was straight up. Common sense. Common sense. Fremond. Fremond. MOP. MOP. Bone thugs. Bone thugs. They had everything. But they had nothing to work with. Yeah. What's my man's name? That's your man. Cocaine. Cocaine. I'm from cocaine. You know cocaine. He's the one that relaxes the big. That's what's going on. He relaxes the singer, not the girl, the singer. He brought up cocaine like five times. Yeah, this episode is sponsored by me. That's the reason they're all weak people. It's the reason they're all weak people. To join cocaine. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Children, don't tell us that. Hell, yo. Yeah. This is not the reason we're doing cocaine interview. No, this is cocaine. Right. We don't want to. This is the point. By the way, you know, today has been 19 years since the release of capital punishment. That is true. Today. So that is true. Yeah. That is true. That is true. Yeah. Well, dude, this was a point. 19 years ago. Today. Well, forever. We had fun forever. And three days before this is the release of Elmatic. Mm-hmm. 23 years ago today was the release of. I thought you was going to say the release of Compone. And no. No. I can't hold. I can't move yesterday. I can't move yesterday. I can't move yesterday. I can't move yesterday. I can't move yesterday. Let's make some noise. We're all coming home yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But 23 years ago. What is that true? But 23 years ago, also Elmatic came out. Yeah. So we said capital punishment 20 years ago. Yeah. 19. 19 years ago. Yeah. 19. And then 20. Yo, listen. Listen, juju. Psycho. We are hip hop. And I don't know if you understand, but our show is based upon giving our legends flowers when they can smell it. That's great. I love that. And trees when they can inhabit. Yeah, absolutely. And I think we should. You understand? Yeah, we should. And we should do that. So Psycho Last, juju. Thank you, bro. We want you to know that you guys are appreciated. Thank you. What you know? I'm fucking psyched to be up here. Because you know everybody's like, oh, I can't wait to hear the beat notes up there. But you know, they get, you know, from fucking bullshit reads. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, it's like, what you think of this thing is like, I want to know. I'm not saying, you know, because you know what it is up here. They're like, yeah, we're not ready to do it. That's just gonna be, I want to get invited by the show though. But here's the deal. I don't want to do it because everybody's saying you should do it. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I just want you to know, because the one thing that I felt like you didn't know. Was when I seen there and I felt like you felt like you will be privileged to come on. I am. And I am. I'm not gonna tell you to relax. I'm on. Because you know what? No, I'm on. I'm on. Let me finish. I'm on. Because you know what? I told you when we were there. You have no idea. We have a lot of. Come on, man. Come on, man. If there wasn't. We inspire each other, man. Okay. I want to let you finish. We inspire each other. Can I finish now? Just so you know that. This is essentially. You're just as much of a thing. You should have gone ahead. Usually it wasn't. It wasn't. That's. It just will not be that component. And let me tell you. No, no, no, no. There wouldn't be no beating that still if it wasn't for component or really dropping weather. What? Fair enough. Thank you. If there wasn't no beating us, there wouldn't be a jail on the block. Factory. I like that. I like that. And I wanted to ask about that. Did you all get that? Those royalties after that? I did, man. Jail on the block. That's a fact. Zero. Jail on the block. No, look at the sample. Look at the sample. She got that. Did it dirty on that one. I know. I know. I ain't know what happened. The best form of flattery. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. Tell it, man. You want to know. You know what happened. That young producer. Get these up. Block, violated. The best form of flattery is in my taste. I mean, we dropped that song. What? And what year was that? 84. Probably. But I don't know. It was like 2000. But anyway, two years later, she dropped her shit. And it was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. I ain't no fun. They're big, right? We did see a piece of flattery. Biders. I've seen that. They're big, big. Queens. Yo, but hold on. You ain't even a sat-out. Like, yo, shout out beat nuts for inspiring what we did. What we got on? Give me a shout for that idea. I gave you the idea to flip that. You see, though, there's fun in the record. She might have thought that was really fun. Like that. Like, for real. But at the end of the day, this is going to make her realize right here that that was y'all right here. Well, this is going to be right here. She's all right. She watch. I think she hates us already. Yeah, she, you know. You got to do a little cover. That's good. She guys love. No, man. I love her for what she's done. She got real on that. She's got record. You got to eat, too. But in a way, it's not really her fault. Like, I don't even blame her. I blame the producer. I blame the producer. What do you say? To bite in the shit. And then we do a call-ree, call-ree-bounie. Oh. But that was what you did. That's what you did. You still right? For real, huh? It was the same same. Yeah, it's my beat. It was inspired by them. I was on the phone talking. I was like, yo, what? I'm coming to the studio and see you, nigga. You see, it was like that. It was inspired by them. Oh, so was it. What's going on? Y'all's waiting to see the drums. Drums. It was a big winters. It was a big winters. You know why? Yeah. Because here's, check this out. His lawyer, yo, his lawyer was my lawyer. I don't want to get shot going downstairs tonight. I don't want to get shot. Why would you be shot? Is this live? I don't know. I'm from Corona. You good. We good. But all right. We got good. We don't do this shit. To protect you. Because I didn't bring anything. Yes. You know, we're holding, it's a family show. Come on. Yes, it's a family show. Lisa, don't do this shit. It's a Jew show. It's a Jew show. Come here to sign and break No-Rie. You ain't getting to beat this man. No. We ain't not coming here. It ain't no beat. First, let's get that straight. Ain't no beat. That's just it. That's just the fact that we're having. Hold on, hold on. That's where you're wrong. We are not here to celebrate No-Rie. Ain't got a coupon in any way. We are only here tonight to celebrate beating us in the motherfucking... Watch out, Lord. Oh, it's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. That's great for now. This is the only show. You got your jammin' shoes though. Yeah. Yeah, come on. Close the door. Close the door. This is the special right there. So, I need to understand this. How did you even consider putting pun on there? Because was it Fat Joe putting it on? No, like I said, it was a mutual thing for most... He wanted to work with us. He wanted to work with us. Yeah, he wanted to work with us. They told you Fat Joe didn't even really know. He said he didn't know what to do about it. It was all pun. He was doing it right with us. He was like, I want to do it right with y'all. I want some professional respect. You know what I'm saying? You know, me and McCuban, they say he's hanging out. He's very loud. Got it right. Continue. You know how it was, Joe. You know how it was with pun? If we didn't click, we're not going to work. And that's just the way it works. You know, so me clicking on those puns... Back in the day, we're just going to shoot straight at it. Come on, come on, this. We was all good. Go to far. You got to relax soon, though. Relax. Relax. Relax. No, I'm not kidding. I go to far. Now, you go. You go. You go to the last place this much. What's this? Did that line get drunk, though? Did that line... I'm curious. I'm... Yo, I got some... I got some... What the hell? He got nice... He got... I was a techsome. He got buzz. Oh, you got buzz? He didn't want to leave. You know, the crazy shit... He was on a date with... You know, the Jewish... You got buzz. The Jewish was really crazy. He didn't want to leave. He got buzzed and branded. This people is just texting. And he looking at me like this. Talk to my people. He looking at me. He's sitting right where you are. I'm sitting right here. And everybody texting me saying, I know I gotta go. I always see you saying Texas. I always look at every... Like, fuck them. That's a fetishist story you're reading. That's a fucking... That's a fucking... That's my father. Yo, shout out to that little... One of the most... For real. One of the most... One of the most... He comes up with a bottom line. He comes up with a bottom line. He comes up with a bottom line. I work with him. So I know how he works. Like that little... That was nasty in the studio. Daniel goes in, yo. Here comes the bottom line, bro. We're talking about like... Ten joints a night. Here comes the bottom line, bro. All right, Bob. That's cool. Now we're all cool J-fans. So what happened between the two of you? Now, Daniel, you gotta get fucked up, dawg. You better be my brother. You ain't getting fucked up, dawg. What actually happened between the two of you? Because I'm to be honest. Me and my brother, it's my brother. But I hate him at times. And he hates me at times. That's a... Oh, shit. You have no idea. So can you... I'm in a loveless marriage. Oh, my God. Oh, Lord. That was my... Oh, my God. Me and this nigga trust. That's what makes it work. Yang, yang, yang. Two niggas can't... If niggas is cruel, you can't be the same. The last thing I need is another nigga like me. No more... We gon' box, we're poor, and shit's wrapped, and shit's around a tree. No more beaters. Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? Is this what you meant? You don't want this nigga to drive. You don't want this nigga to drive. You don't want this nigga to drive. You don't want this nigga to drive. Okay, so at the beginning, at the beginning, who did the beat? Well, we both always did. We both always did the beat. That's hot, that's hot. We started to start off as serious. Because we both, that's how we maxed it. We used to dig and shit. Was it the 3A offers or just 2A? No, I was the man. Yeah, tell me, tell me. Fashion was like winning confidence in ourselves. He can't say shit like that. Niggas said, nigga said. Yo, Juju, you know what you said? I have a couple of young brothers who just told us to be a... You know what I'm saying? Yo, hold on, hold on. Juju, you gotta relax. I just asked him, you're gonna shoot me, no, no, no, no. I just changed the real shit. I asked him, he gave them the name Jesus. And guess what he said? He said, he said, I forgot. I forgot. I forgot about the jungle brothers. I can't be telling. They ain't native tongues. That's the real hip hop shit right there. What do you even say? I'm too young for the jungle brothers. Nah, that's hot. How you got the whole native tongue? Through Africa, really, and digging, digging, you know. You know, because Africa would be out there digging. Juju, we know. He's like, how's it going? He invited us to the snow ball and we just stuck it on for like a week. Yeah. No, I even can't. Juju, look. Juju, look. How's it going? How's it going to be? No, I'm not that trusty. I'm not that busy or that popular. Nobody has a heart to take to mean that. If you niggas who want to talk to me, nobody would. Nobody would. Nobody would. Nobody would. Nobody would. Nobody would. Nobody would. Nobody would. Nobody would. Where my Christian? You need a hand. I need to smoke, baby. This? What? Okay, get a relax. So, now, Fat Joe, you had a relationship with Fat Joe? Yeah, man. I love him. Why did you want to put on his prodigy? Well, I mean, see, that's what I keep trying to tell you. It wasn't like we were trying to put anybody on. He didn't work with Fat Joe too. Oh, yeah, man. I did remixes. You know, the books was just a freaking freak of nature, man. Come on, nobody knows you're going to do a record like that. Nah, it ain't. It was our biggest record commercially in the same breath. So, you know what I mean? To date? Yeah. They wasn't even going to give us a video budget for that, but the song took off. The label was like, yo, we got to do a video for this shit. When you say the label, you talk about loud. No, no, Relativity. Wow. Right? Someone else should have paid for that video. Well, shout out Alan Grumblack and fucking Cliff. Alan, dad. Grumblack. Damn, Recipes Cliff. You know what he's saying? Recipes Cliff. What's your name, baby? He just fucked up for a minute. I don't remember that. The record label was in Switzerland. Recipes in here, too. What album was Lick the Puzzle on? Huh? I don't know. I didn't rhyme on that record. That was on. Like that classic sample. That's the end. That's on Tyrone Davis. That was the first album. That was the first album? You know the music? Huh? I don't know. Is it that kind of a show I thought was a family show? Sorry, but I love you. Let's stay on course. Shout out to our Nickelodeon sponsors. Let's stay on course. Please. Let me actually add a question. Because listen, listen, listen. Listen, listen, listen. Me and my brother. This is my brother. This is Capone. This is Capone. This is Capone. This is Capone. This is Capone. This is my brother. This is my brother. This is Capone. And me and him are totally opposites. But, if you put us together, we're totally together. Absolutely. Are y'all totally opposites? Yes, of course. Not totally though. We both have a fucked up sense of humor. Which is why we're friends to begin with. But, you know. Break that down. Yeah, you know. We both got really dark sense of humor. We find crazy shit funny. Which is why we, you know, when we were younger, we got all we did was drink and laugh when we were younger. And then the fact that, you know, we used to dig for records and we had the same hobby and common just made it better. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And both of us are from Cronus. Yeah. Yeah. Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. That was way too long. That was your shit. He ain't got no legs. I know Yannick has had names too. Yeah, we got Canada and Paris. No one wants. We ain't not serious, really? Canada and Paris? Yes. They don't have names. We got no names. Exactly. We got names. I'm the worst form of confidence. You're gonna take a shot. I'm gonna take a shot. I'd rather go with Canada. No, you're only a shot. Who was the other one? Paris? I was about to bring someone up by night. I was about to start shooting some piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston piston I'm gonna do this too. Ah! I'm ready. Yo, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. If it wasn't for the beat nats. Hey buddy, one more sleep. Let me tell you man. That's one more time. It is an honor for you to even compare me and Zygote to you guys. No. No, it is because let me tell you, I don't think there's another dynamic duo. Meet your fans. Meet your fans right now. And there's not another group that I would another dynamic duo that I would love to be compared to than my brothers right here. He's the one that take the bump. Because my niggas are official all the time. He's the A. Ain't no question about, you know? Yes, I'm sorry. I'm probably not so far in that, normally. I like that. I don't like. I don't like that. I'm not too far in it. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. Listen. I don't like that. Zygote last. If it wasn't for beat nuts. Coming from Corona. I was from Lefrak City. Lefrak City is my address is 97 dash 3057 Avenue. Parkway 5E Corona, New York. 11368. Wait, that's a man killer. 11368. And that original address said Corona. What would it say now? I don't know. It's the one block you out. It's flashing. It's flashing like it says on my mind. Wow. He said, give me that. What, Pumble of shit? No, thanks. Not a block. Not a mouse. You're not much. That was a sudden relief, man. If it wasn't for that. Thank you, man. Corona 11368. And the thing about us was y'all came before us. And when I was in jail, what this motherfucker? I was in jail and I looked back. And I was like. That face? I think it's doing it. Just like that. I didn't do that in jail. I fucking recall that was. In my mind. That was a picture. That was, I see Nas. Like we see Nas. We see Marbdy. Yeah. And this nigga's like this. Nas and Marbdy. But when I seen beatin' that song. Oh, it's this. Corona. Corona. Corona. Corona. This is too. And that's that niggas for y'all. I'm just throwing it out there. The niggas said, they were right. I said, what? I love you for that stuff. I love you for that. Because I'm not for us in LA too, man. We have, you know, we have. We had a lot of homies from the hood in there too at that time, man. No, but, but, you know, he was too hot. He was hot. He was hot. We had a lot of dudes in there. All I have is. You know, and it made, you know, a gang nigga. You know what I'm saying? What's that? It was nice to be able to do that for my hood. I'm telling you. It wasn't off the books this year. No. It wasn't off the books this year. But you had a lot of niggas in there. What? It wasn't off. They didn't smack out. It wasn't me. That was big. That was big. The bomb, baby? No, not the bomb. Put it in your mouth. Put it in your mouth. And fuck me for free with this. Now it's a little bigger. Listen, listen. Listen, listen. I love it when I write. You're talking, you're talking about, listen, you're talking about a totally different, you're talking, listen, listen, listen. You listen, listen. You're talking about a totally different decade. That's what I'm saying. No, but I'm saying too. No, when off the books, what's it put in your mouth? No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. No, that's not true, Bart. No, you have to put it in your mouth before you write. The book's like 90, 20, 90. I'm gonna push the NBA. 97. 97. And what's it put in your mouth? 95. 100. 94. Exactly. I don't know the name of my, my first record was a hit. My first record was a hit. And it was called Rain of the Tech. Absolutely. No, but when you're talking about, then your mouth was up. When you're talking about tech, there's a shit. Let me tell you something. Put it in your mouth. I was in the tech. And that was 93. 100, 90. I don't like when your conversations are steering to a mouthful. I was talking about, I don't know. Zolo, I'm a buffalo, you know. And that record got more burns than the Jay-Z records that was out at the time. The Big Riggers. That record, of the books got more burns. I was in the camp. I used to have my own radio slot time every Friday. I don't call a radio. Okay, I got to ask you a lot. Shut up. Oh yeah, that's your damn right. Then you make it feel good. Or use your hand all the time. Let me say your husband's in Jay-Z, shit and all them niggas. What's the more? All right, good. No more shit. That's right. Fuck Brooklyn. That shit is another planet. It wasn't for Jay-Z, it was a damn job. We were gonna be friends with none of these niggas. I'm just saying it was a damn shit. You know Corona nigga, we only used to go to Brooklyn to shoot that shit the fuck up. Tell them, tell them, tell them. Tell them. Yeah, Corona. Corona nigga's a real Brooklyn girl. You gotta relax. Shit and that shit, I only, nigga. QB, you gotta calm down too. Recipes my niggas show on price. Corona and city niggas, you know what I'm saying? Corona niggas show on clean. Big up to him. Big up to my nigga, Jay-Ru, the damn nigga. You are. You gotta realize, it's just you and Freeze. That's it. Freeze, you don't hold that. That's rockin' Z into a peltin'. I feel like Freeze is what it is. I got a receipt of it. I feel like that's not true. That's the least you can do. You have to know it. Yo, but listen. So we worked with- We always had a shovel waiting for us. All right, listen, listen, listen, listen. You worked your butt. You worked with Joe. I am only love. You worked in only love. It's a- But then it's time for y'all out. Describe that situation. Steve, we're gonna come see y'all. Just open, man. Oh, I couldn't wait to use, like, you know, we used to be serious with the digging. Like, you know, well, that's another story. But, you know- No, what's the other story? No, just another story. We're gonna start with, like, no ID. You know, no ID. Common sense, yeah. Common sense, yeah, from somebody over there. No ID, common sense, remember, common sense was on our label. So, common sense- You just be there, you know. Common sense first hour, and you can't have borrowed a dollar. Like, we did remixes on that shit. Yeah. So, you know, like, I remember going to Chicago and fucking with no ID, because, you know, me and my man, V.I.C., like, no ID early, like- We ought to do it so about the time. We actually had fucked, I'm saying the truth. We taught that nigga no ID how to dig. Like, I used to be in no ID basement and Kanye West was like this. I believe it, I believe it, because y'all was a bunch of- And I'll show you Scratch America's interviews where that nigga, Kanye, was like, I'm trying to take it from when he came out early. He's like, I'm trying to take it back to that beat. No, for sure, he definitely was a fan. Kanye, come on. So, you know, like, that being said, whatever, that was, I was talking about how excited me and this nigga was just to flip shit, because he was like, how it was. Because that back then Kanye was a Kanye. So, what's the Kanye- What's the status of school that Kanye came from there? Like, I'm a student. I say that with the utmost respect, but I think he's amazing, he's talented. He was really like, you know. And you know, they're both amazing and I'm proud to the shit to say that them niggas, you know. It's the open bottle, okay. And I fucked them, because I did. Kanye is definitely a student. And you know, it's this open bottle right here. And I'm God, that's what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to add on. You come hang around me, I'm adding on. You know what I'm saying? So of course no ID and Kanye West, it's just sexual from watching me and my man. You know that you took it to the next, that's right. Elevation. Exactly. Elevation. You know. Got you, got you. We gotta make some noise for that. Got that. I'm gonna do it. Mr. Moore, what y'all were doing was the Kanye and y'all were the nepto. That little, that timing you stood. And me personally, I didn't know that y'all produced everything and did everything mixed. Engineered. Yeah, that was a yeah. I didn't know that. Shit, it was a time when fuck. I mean coming from native tongues, like everybody was a group. How did that even get down with native tongues? Everybody produced themselves. Everybody produced them. Daylight produced themselves. Tribe produced the jungle. Put the beat in us like we come from that. But how did that even get down with native tongues? I'm gonna tell you this talk. This is shit. Me and my man, we was already boys, you know, from the hood digging on that. Then, you know, I got kicked out of high school. We got kicked out of high school. So the hangout shit at our boys house, that shit kind of faded. So we were still, we were still digging. I was still digging through my head. That's digging for records. Yeah, digging for records. I bet. So then I met downstairs records one day. I'm gonna just try to run through the shoes. That's the shit in the village? It was fucking boring. But anyway, yeah, nah, it was a. You're sketching the part how you met Africa. Yeah, I met Africa at the record shop. But why? They already had no. Ah, Jungle Brothers. Jungle Brothers. Baby back. They already had Jim Browski. Yeah. That's what it was. It was Jungle Brothers. So you know. Yeah. That was where Roseland already. Yeah, it was huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit was blowing up. So, you know, we was doing the, you know, we was in there in the records. I seen them, they all like, oh shit, it's African for me. So we standing online to pay for our records. Same time. He was a little short. I'm like, this is African for me. Fuck it, Jungle Brothers. What is it? Two, what is it? Three, four dollars, whatever it is. Jim Browski days, whatever. I'm not saying this is for any other. If he's in other than I was. He's not asking me, he's telling me. He's actually asking you. No, but I'm saying, you know, cause I don't want nobody to get the wrong idea. Like, oh, you pay for our niggas' records. That's why. It wasn't that. We're both kind of in the. Yeah, you dig it, you dig it. He was so, he was so cool to me. In the record shop that I was like, what, you're a couple dollars short here. Boom. Got this. That, I mean, African. No, no, no. No, no, no. Jungle Brothers. Jungle Brothers. No, you gotta relax. No, no, no. So, so from that day, you know, from that day forward, he was, you know, he was like, man, this little nigga cool. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, the next thing you know, I'm getting invited to the studio, come through, we over here, everything. Now I'm cool. Now I'm Jungle Brother, Juju. Oh. Oh, good. See me? That's how you, see? One good act. Oh, wow. Listen, that's how she happens. Then I started, you know, then I'm into studio, I'm pretty rackets, Chris Lighty sees what happening. Next thing you know, she, he has an artist, Chi-Ai Lee, now I'm the victim of a Friday deal. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Oh, hold on. Chi-Ai Lee was your artist? You can't, you can't let that happen. He was his artist. It was his artist. I was, I was, I was, I was. So tell us about the Chi-Ai Lee, what the interview Chi-Ai Lee? All right, very soon. Well, anyway, this is, as far as I'm trying to like, this is long, you know, it's a lot of shit. I'm just trying to cut to the, but that's how it should happen. Anyway, next thing you know, me and that nigga's friends. That nigga, I said. I took her from the Jungle Brothers, okay, you know what I'm saying? Cause of whatever, that good deed. And then, you know, I'd start showing improvement from there. Cause he was like this little nigga, you know, then my man, we did a little radio promo with them niggas shouting me out and psycho let us, it was like the first one that we did. Psycho hit me, it was like, yo, but you still fucking round boom. I was like, yeah, man, you still doing this shit? Yeah. And that's how y'all connected. Yeah, cause, you know, cause we had, split up after the whole high school shit. So we kind of lost contact with each other. So when you hear me on the radio, it hit me and I was like, yeah, man, come on. It's like, no, now we've been out of form. You're like, my man is on, I'm getting in. I'm in. No, that's the way it's supposed to be. That same, it's basically our story, you know? In a different form. Cause when everybody else, he was the only one. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's cool. You know, then like I said, that shit led to, you know, we're hanging around Chris Lighty's road manager at this time. Yeah, yeah, he's carrying a record. He has no idea of being any kind of, you know, whatever. He's just, so then, you know, he got Chi Ali. And when he got Chi Ali, he was like, he had a little, he had a little deal. An ideal, let me get this little for, you know, some of, you know, everybody else was too busy, you know? Being their last soul, being Joel, whatever, you know, they were in the inception of their shit. So you can't blame them. They didn't have, you know, time. So me and Psycho-Lez had the time. Come back. And that was family. Chi Ali was born. Chi Ali was born. That's what I'm saying. So you saying? That was on the first major album. Chi Ali. Chi Ali. He said somebody else was on for Chi Ali. That's German. And I was saying like, you know, when Chris Lighty had the bad idea of doing that reality, everybody else was busy doing, you know, performing their own careers. And we were just producers that were just hanging out. And he knew what it was. So we took advantage of that. We're like, okay, general's too busy. They lost too busy. Yeah. And all right. Yeah. Sorry. Have you ever, like, take that personal? Like, as far as like- I don't think we did anything wrong ever. Ever. Yeah, no. You don't want that job? We took it. And now it's Chi Ali. He was hungry to get in anyway, so we- We was hungry to get in. So describe that situation with Chi Ali. That's not anybody that dealt with that. That's not me. That's not me. That's not being dealt with. That's not being dealt with record deal. All these records, Chi Ali's first records? Y'all did them? Yeah. Well, the whole album? Well, it was people involved too. Black Sheet, it was about- They shot some unhinge- The dog work on the front cover. Dave from Daylight's A Wake Up was about- Chi Ali is standing in front of- Not writing, not writing. 227. It was all Louis Armstrong, guys. It's coming. Oh! You see the Chi Ali behind us? That's all 227. I don't remember, but I was the one who killed that one. Oh, I didn't know that. The young- The unhinge- What's the name of him? 227? My unhinge- They came out of 227. The unhinge- The unhinge- The Chris Cross. So it was in style to have- It was on TQK then. So, man, that's what Chi Ali was one of those- Come on. Yeah. Queens was- That was a real idea. No! That was a real idea. Watch it anyway. I'm just kidding, man. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I know, there's like one conversation. Two conversations. Three conversations. Yeah. We're giving you a National Treaty. It was Bob's. Oh, that's the word. I was gonna call you. Drink chaps. Thank you, man. Thank you. You like it? I got a flunker, though. Told you, nigga. Big shout to my nigga, Bush Rock. Kept me sober for $48. Came in with the shakes. This nigga told me the only one drink in the world. He called me and was like, I'm drinking till you get up there. I was like, all right, bye. Went right to the bottle. You tell me. Welcome to the family affair. Welcome to the family picnic. Corona niggas don't play niggas. It's only Ham and Niggas. Look at your son on sideways right now. On niggas. What's going on? You're gonna have to explain that to John. You're gonna keep that on his row. He's looking at big man. He's looking at that Nory-Higgins for John. You're gonna sue me, guys. So that niggas are up to what time? Come over here, Slimes. No, you're not. That niggas are family. It's the famous dude. This nigga? No, this nigga got an album of the sets. No, no, no. Talk to that mic. Slimes. Slimes is the truth, man. That's Slimes. That's me. That's Tell us the time. Tell us you got every comeback album. Every Juju album. Every album. Tell us about every album you got. Stop talking to my son. First time. First time. Say it now. Say it now. What else do we know? What else do we know? What else do we know? Yeah. Say yellow. Say you get something. A man of very few words. Yo! Hey! Hey! Come on, look at that smile. Yo! A man of very few words. Got the pajamas set? No, I mean, they get them too. Yo, son of a six-hander, season. Take a pic of that. Take a pic of that. Take a pic of that. Take a pic of that. Take a pic of that. Get him, get him some. Yo, get that nigga some motherfucking album. Say that in the mouth. I love him. Get him some. Put him on the yo. Say what's up to your man, son. What the fuck, boy? No. Boy, say that. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? Is that Lori? Yeah. Is that Lori? I'll take it over to you. What's up, man? How you all doing? What's the deli, Valley? Thank you, man. We're back to you, too. My name is P. Worthy. I'm out from Long Island. We're born and raised in Long Island, New York. So you know we all New York. 516. 516. 516. 495. 495. 495. Ooh. Ladies on the moon. Huh. Can I take a look? From Westbury. Shout out Westbury. Hold on. I think E.P. and C. and D. from Long Island. Yeah, we got a bunch of P. and D. from Long Island. We got a bunch of movie stars. I'll hit you with the L one. JVC Force. No, do you. Can't take it. Okay. The other day. Yeah. I called you. Nothing to talk to the mic. Nothing to talk to the mic. Nothing to talk to the mic. Nothing to talk to the mic. One of the, which by the way was one of the biggest highlights of my career. What? Jameson. When you fucking called them FaceTime. Wait, I'm more male. You know that nigga ain't want to answer the phone to him. He was scared to death because you know what we was doing. And that nigga was like, yo, no, he can't get it. That nigga was going to be like, nah, man, I don't want to answer that shit. He's going to, he's going to bark on me. I was like, answer that shit nigga. It was like, yo, you would do it. How mad could he get at you? Show me a bag. You know what I'm saying? And then when you was like, hang up off of FaceTime, you know, I was like. Don't go sign that. You're fucking sad about that. You're fucking sad about that. You see what I was saying? You was like. You was like. You was sad about that. You know what you're sad about. I was like. That's what I was saying. That's what I was saying. That was sad about that. Because Man right he gonna be he's gonna be so man get talk to Yeah, I'm sorry man Shopping Queens in your neighborhood Yeah, right across you from the Guardia Airport. So, you know, we show in love I got a Nice Every flavor Every green you want Just say 8310 a story of Boulevard East Elmhurst, New York www.wordylux.com Oh Drink be honest, I'll come to that to get somebody to pay for me Oh You know you in the first he's in the first coming home Cuba he makes a quick cameo with there's the how Series that I got going on And I want to shout y'all cuz you know I'm repping my I'm sorry. I just get this in there But y'all join for my grip who passed away Real talk With us My You listen to me? I want to tell him a story. I think he might find this amusing. Yo, Karan. Yeah, well, real talk. My man Mike Gripper, Rest in Peace, Back in the Days, when niggas was just, it was organized confusion, common sense, beat nuts, who else? Psycho. This is a tour? All of them in a van, squeezed them together, horrible. What was you doing? Artifacts. What was you doing? Gaze, 7Gs, to do Mike Ripper tracks, and I was like, fuck that tour, I'm not going. These niggas were like, come on, we can't, I like, fuck that. I'm not getting squeezed into a... Dance of Darkness was the record. I'm not going, what, the... Ripper, Dance of Darkness. I did that niggas, all his singles. What, me? Me, nigga. How many records? I don't think he put up that many records. Three, four, big ones. You niggas wouldn't even know that nigga, if it wasn't for them 12- We knew him from back, he was a kid. I gave him, well, how did it work that? Get more. All the records. That I said fuck my tour, because I wasn't going to make that kind of money. You know what I'm saying? We corona niggas, we money hustling. We got seven Gs of track here. Why am I going to squeeze into a band with a pound of mines? These niggas, we had seven tracks. You know, seven stacks. And I'm at Inga Ear. Well, it was Power Play at the time, but... Power Play. Power Play, yeah. Let's make sure that's more of a play. Power Play! Power Play! First place for the record, so we didn't have a... Anyway, Noree, that being said, that being said, now that my man's not here, now that my man's not here, because that was my point. Now that my man's not here, no more Mike Ripper. Nice. Thank God that I did that. You know what I'm saying? Because those were the illest records that my man did. And those records are the ones that put him on the map. You know what I'm saying? And I was, you know, I was small enough at that time, whatever I had, the selfish reasons for doing it, but I'm glad that I did it. Not even one of the few artists from my own bubble in Mother Superior. And those records, my nigga, if you find them 12 inches now, they work. I got them. I got the 12 inches. I got them. That's not going on. Get that game, man. God bless Jane Salmon. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, but I can't... Groups and... It's all fun and games until somebody puts some in you and you don't want in you. God bless. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You finally hit it. No, that's not it. You know what I'm saying? I get the mic today. Go ahead, Butchie. I get the mic today. What's up? I got three chance. What's up? You know what I learned from Left Frack? I learned this law in Left Frack. What's up? Don't put nothing in your body. You can't master. Pack! Fuck! Because I know that ain't never been you. It's always a fish. That ain't never been you. That ain't never been you. That ain't never been you. That ain't never been you. That ain't never been you. That's the... Oh, Elias did it right here. You know what I'm talking about. Elias. You call him Elias. That ain't never been you. That's Elias here. You know what I mean? That's fire. Yo, let me tell you something. Psycho Less. Where? Juju? I know I looked at the wrong people. It's alright. We're in Maryland. Go all us both though. But the one who's Psycho Less. You know what I mean? You don't wake up Juju sometimes. I wake up Psycho Less sometimes. I be like, yeah. I wake up Psycho Less. Sometimes I wake up. I feel like Psycho Less. I act like Psycho Less. But the one thing that we want to tell y'all is hip hop is alive. Yeah. No, I mean... I want to thank you. We want to thank you for keeping it by by. I want you to promise everybody right now. I know. I want you to promise everybody right now. Damn, we are going to do a record together. No, no, I'm going to promise that. That's all I've ever wanted. I want to beat. I know man. I'll be like, the beats man. You don't kill his mom, man. I'm driving. I'm driving. I don't really need to kind of believe you. I don't want you on my car. Because I don't want you to give a bunch of rocket beat like 17 years ago. I'm already with good drugs for free. I'm not going to do anything but drive that. I'm not going to do anything but drive that. We got some new fires. We got good things. I can play some music. I like the beats you're giving. With all the respect to the nerds. With all the respect to the nerds. You get on some Psycho Less. You get that shit too. Out of here. It was one beat. I love. I'm not even using my car. I went to the NET game after that shit. Psycho. Psycho Game 2 beat. The shit you gave Tony touch. You did Tony touch. But he used it. We gave it to Nory first though. I'm not going to lie. He was very happy with his drink. Yo, sir. You know we got you son. We ain't never going to do that. You grow to sleep son. You're going to wake up and be like I didn't do it. I didn't do shit. We're done. Let me executive produce it. Roll it up. Let me ice it. That would be amazing. I need one beat. Six joints man. I need Butch Rock verses in there. No. You know sir. You can't even count Butch Rock. I'm executive producer. You can't be on that. Who would say just cut you a bit? Butch. You're the remix. You're the remix. That's phone call for me man. I fuck with DJ AFN. Rock it. I know right. I don't want you to buy it. I'm on the table. Maybe you want to buy it. I'm on the table. You don't know already man. I know where this is going. Before you get too tired of me. Are you tired? I want to thank you. I want to thank you. I want to thank you for having us man. Let me tell you this. I don't think you have any idea what it means to me. No. I must have beaten us. This has been a lot of years. I don't think you have any idea. I don't like you. Wait wait wait. It's my cell. I don't think you have any idea how much the beat us mean to us. Exactly. Thank you. For people who don't understand. We never heard a big pun. Until we heard a hip on the beat us record. It's not a record. It's not a record. It's not a record. It's not a record. That's what a backhanded compliment. I'm about to thank you for playing beat us. I'm about to thank you. Because I'm not playing. Here I am. Everything I told about me. It was hard. It's from the heart. I feel you. We heard a big pun. Then we heard them on y'all record. That. You guys actually embraced them. After the record. You guys put them on your record. I tried to embrace them a lot of times. It's kind of hard to get my arms around them. Whatever. I'm trying to add a little levity. But at the end of the day. That's what hip hop respect. Hip hop respect. That. That we brought a big pun out. That's what I'm trying to say. Everything I did prior to that. No. That's not true. We've been saying that. I want to get our wording right. Your production is. I know I'm amazing. I'm here for you to tell me. I know I'm amazing. You needed to tell you that. No. I'm trying to tell you. I need to tell you. No. To unleash. No. Because I'm humble to a fault. Sometimes. I like to say this. I drink only because it makes other people more interesting. Not because I need it to be anything. That's a lie. I don't know. That's an hour alcoholic perspective. That is the truth. I love that. I'm not saying it too much. I'm actually more dangerous when I'm not fucking drinking. To be honest with you. Why you say that? Because I don't really have a lot of patience. You know where we come from. You know where our shit is. But one of the first things that I see. You know what I'm saying? This should make you a patient. You told me something about tragedy. I was going to deal with a bunch of shit. You told me something about tragedy. The first thing on my face. I didn't say it. What? I couldn't understand. What was that? I don't know. You said I said it. Face time dude. And then. You told me something about tragedy. I had no idea what you said. So if you had no idea. I don't remember. I don't remember saying anything about it. That's good. Because it was me and Maya hanging out. Yep. Oh. Okay. I do remember what I said about tea. Go ahead. Oh, because I was telling you that all I ever wanted to do was be too fine. All right. Woo. Nice. Good memory. I did say that. Because I said all I ever wanted to do was be too fine. You know what I'm saying? Because you know what he said like I said that shit earlier. I think it's just as much as he's saying all this shit. If it wasn't for B-Nuts. There wouldn't be no component or reggae. Thunderbolts. And the feeling is mutual. Nah. It's not. Yo, son. Here's a drink. To all the girls who I extinct. Shady Naked Just react. We don't think. Take a world in a heartbeat. Son sit on place. Who's that? But listen. Fat Joe. And money could track you. Trust me. Me and money could track you. Me and money could track you. No, but listen. And I told him that. And that night I told him that. I told him I'm too fine. I even know the handshake. What's up here? What's that about? I don't feel any pain. No, but listen. Listen. I don't know. Relax. Mama. What happens to some slaps? Relax. Mama. Relax. My bad. Here you go. Come. Oh, shit. Here's the deal. Oh, shit. It's time for the law. Here's the deal. Cover him up. Let him sit down. Here's the deal. Because. Man. Because. I brought the fombo crab. Thank you. Thank you. Dude, everything. That's right. That's right. Here's the deal. American Pie. It's not good. Definitely not good. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm worried about that. Let me tell you. This is really. This is the real. This is a podcast. No. This is a podcast. I'm worried about that. Relax. I'm worried about that. They're relaxing right now. I think this is a matter of. Anything that you know. Relax. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. I was worried about that. Let go of it. What's going on, man? I can't even see. Your niggas always fail to the EMT workers right now. I can't even see what's going on. I can't even see what's going on. Your niggas fail to the EMT. Your fail to the EMT workers right now. Tell me what's happening, because I can't see. Your niggas fail to the EMT. Is that the doctor? Yo, sir. Your damn niggas need a CPR right now. I can't even see. I think it's seen through. You can't see me. See your ugly jacket, nigga. That nigga passed out. Talk about ugly jackets. Shut up. Why you see me in pastel? I'm breakdancing, I'm windbreaker. So how did drugs come into your life? Wind. We get a burn on all of this. So how you came from Philly? Because we all smoke to eat, right? So when... Man, I can't imagine. See this is what we did as we were getting into it. You started, nigga. Why you passed out when you saw me? What am I? Fuck you, you started. Anyway, there we go. I know we're going with this. I don't leave me alone, nigga. So when the real drugs come into your life, like real drugs, you know, you're not going to get a job. You're not going to get a job. Like real drugs. Real drugs came into my life right when they came into yours. What's a real drug? What's a real drug? Reaganomics. Reaganomics. Selling? What are we talking about? Selling. What else? You know where we come from. A lot of Hennessy. Oh. You know what it is. Chichi, definitely did not get the Yale today. Okay. We're going to say the beat nuts. Yeah. Some of my family is. God damn it. We love y'all. Let's make some noise. God damn it. Woo! There we go. And to be continued. Thank you. We'll buy this when we come through. Man, it's a huge honor to be you know, one more actually. One more. You know, he's one of ours, man. You know what that means. He's one of ours. He's one of ours and we've always, you know. Head, zip. You got to be the boss. Take this over. Let's do it. Don't leave the fans. Oh. I'm going to say it.