Miller and Moulton

March 31, 2026 Hour 2 Keith Smith

41 min
Mar 31, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

Mark Miller and David Moulton discuss whether NFL and NBA teams should fire coaches late in the season, drawing parallels to Vegas's mid-season coaching change in hockey. Guest Keith Smith analyzes NBA tanking proposals, MVP candidates, and the SGA foul-baiting controversy affecting competitive balance.

Insights
  • Mid-season coaching changes can provide psychological reset and fresh voice, but risk organizational instability unless carefully timed with favorable schedule matchups
  • Tanking remains systemic problem in NBA due to insufficient penalties; fines alone ineffective on billionaire ownership groups—draft protections and pick forfeiture needed as deterrents
  • Star player foul-baiting (SGA averaging 25 FTs while teammates shoot 7) distorts competitive integrity and requires league-wide officiating standards reset with coaches and competition committee
  • Orlando Magic case study shows when roster talent and coaching philosophy misalign, player disengagement (52-point loss) signals irreversible breakdown requiring immediate front office action
  • Eliminating NBA draft entirely would solve tanking but create new problem: small-market teams unable to compete for free agents without salary cap restructuring and endorsement parity
Trends
Increased mid-season coaching terminations in sports as ownership groups prioritize short-term momentum over long-term stabilityGrowing disconnect between roster construction and coaching philosophy leading to player mutiny and organizational collapseTanking sophistication evolving with deliberate in-game lineup manipulation (removing starters with 5 minutes remaining) to engineer lossesStar player foul-baiting becoming normalized competitive strategy, requiring league intervention to preserve game integritySmall-market NBA teams facing structural disadvantage in free agency even with salary cap parity, driving interest in alternative talent acquisition modelsLoad management and tanking emerging as top-3 competitive integrity issues alongside officiating biasExpansion franchises (Vegas Golden Knights) demonstrating ability to achieve sustained success through aggressive mid-season roster/coaching adjustmentsEastern Conference playoff seeding volatility with 4-5 teams capable of winning championship depending on health and matchups
Companies
Las Vegas Golden Knights
Fired coach Bruce Cassidy with 8 games remaining, hired John Tortorella as mid-season replacement to spark playoff run
Orlando Magic
NBA team underperforming expectations despite acquiring Desmond Bain; lost by 52 to Toronto, players appear disengage...
Buffalo Bills
NFL team that fired GM in December; became best team in league since change, demonstrating mid-season front office ov...
Denver Nuggets
Fired GM with 4 games remaining last season; escaped first round and took Thunder to 7 games in second round
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
NFL team that skidded from 6-2 to 7-7 last season; hosts discussed whether firing Todd Bowles mid-season would have h...
Boston Celtics
Considered team to beat in Eastern Conference; Jaylen Brown carrying team that was projected as play-in candidate
Oklahoma City Thunder
NBA team competing in Eastern Conference; went to OT with Detroit Pistons, relevant to playoff seeding discussion
Detroit Pistons
Eastern Conference team with Cade Cunningham; matchup dynamics discussed relative to Knicks playoff positioning
New York Knicks
Eastern Conference contender; one game ahead of Cleveland, positioning for Boston vs Detroit second-round matchup
Cleveland Cavaliers
Eastern Conference team tied with Toronto for 5th seed; potential to eliminate Detroit and affect Knicks playoff path
Atlanta Hawks
Tied with Toronto for 5th seed; Knicks prefer facing Atlanta in first round over Toronto based on recent matchup history
Toronto Raptors
Tied with Atlanta for 5th seed; defeated Orlando 52 points, demonstrating Magic's organizational collapse
Philadelphia 76ers
Eastern Conference team with injury concerns (Embiid, George, Maxey); potential first-round threat if healthy
Utah Jazz
NBA team with top-8 protected pick; incentivized to tank to retain draft pick, contributing to tanking problem
Washington Wizards
NBA team with top-8 protected pick; incentivized to tank to retain draft pick, contributing to tanking problem
People
Keith Smith
Guest analyst discussing NBA tanking proposals, MVP race, and SGA foul-baiting controversy affecting competitive inte...
Mark Miller
Co-host driving discussion on mid-season coaching changes and their effectiveness across sports
David Moulton
Co-host analyzing Orlando Magic dysfunction and Eastern Conference playoff dynamics
Pat Curwin
Regular co-host absent due to owner meetings; scheduled to return Friday for recap
Andy Baskin
Scheduled guest to discuss Browns owner comments and Sean Watson quarterback situation
John Tortorella
Hired mid-season by Vegas; described as personality-driven coach who demands discipline from players
Bruce Cassidy
Fired with 8 games remaining despite previous Stanley Cup win with franchise
Todd Bowles
Defensive-minded coach whose job security discussed in context of team's mid-season collapse
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Leading MVP candidate averaging 25 free throws per game; foul-baiting strategy criticized as distorting competitive b...
Victor Wembanyama
Considered best player in league alongside Jokic; second in MVP voting despite team record disadvantage
Nikola Jokic
Still considered best player in league despite team struggles; MVP race contender
Jaylen Brown
Carrying Celtics team projected as play-in candidate; MVP contender with inconsistent performances
Desmond Bain
Acquired to fix perimeter shooting; delivered on offensive expectations but team still underperforming
Cade Cunningham
Expected to return to lineup; health status critical to Eastern Conference playoff dynamics
Baker Mayfield
MVP candidate in early October before team's mid-season freefall
Quotes
"This particular hockey organization treats every season like it's their last. They do. They have from day one."
Mark MillerEarly segment
"They ain't playing for the coach. Defensively last year, they were one of the best teams in the league. They were stifling defensively."
David Moulton
"I think the best player in the league is either Wemby or Yolkic. And that's crazy to think that we're already there with Victor Wembanyama, but that's how good he has been."
Keith SmithMVP discussion
"The fines need to be so over the top for them to even feel it. What the fines need to be is we're gonna start moving your draft pick to the back of the round."
Keith Smith
"I think there are certain guys who get very favorable whistles. And once it's out of the box, it's out of the box. And that's where we're at with SGA."
Keith SmithSGA foul-baiting discussion
Full Transcript
You're listening to Miller and Molten coming at you from the Floor Meisters Studios Floor Meisters keeping it real. And now here's Mark Miller and David Molten. Our two of Miller and Molten on this final day of March. Tuesday edition of Miller and Molten Miller and Molten dot com Miller underscore Molten on X. No Pat Curwin today because the owners are not ready to talk about what's going on. So not ideal for Pat. But we'll have Pat on Friday to recap the owner's meetings and talk about a few other things as well. You are intrigued. You are very intrigued not just you know what this one team did but you're now thinking man should other teams do this and what if some teams recently had done a lot of talk. I am. Yeah the Las Vegas Golden Knights quickly fired their coach with eight games left in the season. This has rarely happened in the NHL. This is a winning team a playoff team a coach by the way who's won a Stanley Cup with Las Vegas okay and they fired them with eight games left in the season and it's got Mark thinking not about the Las Vegas Golden Knights but it's got him thinking man should the Bucks have done that last year when they were like seven and seven goals. Would they have won the south because of it. I really do. I mean and to me you're right that Indianapolis is a similar situation but it's very different in that they lost to their starting quarterback. Correct. And any team that loses their starting quarterback is going to put themselves in a situation where winning at the highest level seems on the realistic. Right and the guys would have known it too they would have been like well that's a blank move. I mean they're scapegoating the head coach because we lost Daniel Jones. I mean that's a blank blank move. Meanwhile in Tampa Bay when that skid was happening and they're six and two and then all of a sudden they're seven and seven okay. If they had fired Todd Bowles that locker room would have been like damn. Huh. So that you know it's just it just got me thinking because again I know no one wants to talk about the Las Vegas Golden Knights. Right. But when it comes you know Tex Pelican Roofing in the Florida Tech Line who you know tell me a team other than Tampa where this would have made sense last year. And I saw. Do you think it should be done in like do you want football teams to take on like in baseball they'll do this all the time. They'll fire baseball managers at the All-Star break. There are numerous examples in which it's worked by the way. Numerous. Hell the Marlins, Jack McKee and the O3, Win of the World Series that fired Jeff Torborg around Memorial Day. Okay. That's that's much Memorial Day for a certain to the season. Right. And I and David you would be much better at this than I would. But there is a you know I mean there's a monumental difference between and look at I'm not even saying with 10% of the season left like happened but with a third of the season left I mean think about it David. The foot you know the football trade deadlines a little early for us. It is. Yeah. But let's just take Thanksgiving. Okay. Let's make people thankful to have their jobs or thankful to be fired. But think about a coach being fired at Thanksgiving because a team starts going the wrong way. And again with Tampa there were a lot of reasons behind it. But come on. At the crux of Tampa's problems last year was the damn defense. Yeah. And that's Todd Bowles job. And and I say this and I like the books and I think Todd Bowles is okay. He's fine. There are bigger problems there. But I'm trying to figure out if you know if that would have happened with any NFL team at Thanksgiving that was leaning towards going to the playoffs and all of a sudden their playoff hopes were dashed for one reason or another. But Tampa was skidding. They I mean right this was a freefall last year. Right. You know here I am talking about MVP for Baker Mayfield in early October and they went into a freefall. Yeah. Absolutely. And in other sports it's not out of the question listen I'll say it again the Orlando Magic should that they're not bringing their head coach back. We all know that. All the top two players on the team don't even like them. Okay. He's been there like five years now. Okay. He's had his run. He did a good job. He got him to be pretty good again. Somebody's got to take over from here. And you know it's not like we're talking about the coach who's who's regarded as the best coach in the game or Andy Reed in Kansas City. I'm not you know Todd Bowles if he goes away no one's going to really remember him as a head coach. He did a good job he got to the playoffs but he didn't do anything special. But what you're doing is you're very very very very short term. You are sacrificing basically the organization. You've got to start over whether it works or not you're going to have to start over and is the rest of the current season worth it. This particular hockey organization treats every season like it's their last. They do. They have from day one. They've been unbelievably successful. Man have they gone through coaches and I mean good ones too. Gerard Goulart, Peter DeBord, now Bruce Cassidy. I mean we're talking coaches with pedigrees and for a franchise that's been in the league for an hour and a half. You find the other sport where a franchise this young has enjoyed this much success. Both on and off the ice. Yeah. I mean this is a very popular team in their market. They sell all kinds of tickets. The show is fantastic and the team's been really now they set them up you know never as an expansion team set up better than Las Vegas was to have success initially. But think about it. You know the bucks think about the fertility of this franchise throughout their history until you know way deep into their history with Gruden finally winning a Super Bowl. It was you know the yucks come on we all know. But it was the way the NFL set up Jacksonville and Carolina to have early success and both of them were in the conference championship game in their second year and I will say there are very few teams in the history of sports that have come out of the shoot and been like the Jacksonville Jaguars. I mean it's ironic they've spent 25 years trying to recreate what they were able to do in their first six or seven. I mean that's their heyday is right out of the shoot. But even they didn't get to a Super Bowl never mind win it. Vegas has been to the finals twice and danced with Lord Stanley once and they've been around for seven or eight years. And they don't want to say the bucks. You know the bills have not had playoff success but there wasn't a free fall going on in Buffalo last year where it would have warranted getting rid of McNermot during the season. You know I and I know I was, David and I were both saying keep bowls last year. We were. This all happened because Vegas, a playoff team fired their coach with eight games left and brought in basically you know a quote unquote ringer who's a nut job and I love Torts. But Torts hates everybody at the time. He hates his team, he hates the media, he hates his boss and he'll let everybody know. Like you know I'm trying to get the comp in football and I mean to me the one I keep in my head is you know is not there anymore but Buddy Ryan's the guy that I think of bringing it you know maybe his kid Rex Ryan. You know what I mean but I'm trying to think of the football comp that you would bring in at that point. Well he wasn't a guy you know he only had two head coaching jobs but when I think of Torts I think of Ditka. Okay. Okay that in terms of personality and also the way their teams had to play or they had no chance of survival under him. Okay but obviously I mean Torts has coached like six teams. Okay Ditka obviously coached only two. But it's curious what Vegas is doing here and it's just interesting but you know they played the worst team in the league last night so they beat them. That's by the way what you also do when you fire your coach. Take a look at the schedule. You want to do it and set your coach up so that his first game is a favorable matchup. And that's when you get to the advantage when do you hold the team meeting. You know the day before or the day of when you're sending your ace pitcher to the mound against an inferior opponent. That's when you hold the team meeting. So you brought this and the other thing that got you know when you mentioned Orlando yesterday in basketball and you know Tim's is coaches but I'm trying to think who the coaches in basketball you'd bring in. Let's just say Orlando looked at Vegas and you know who do you bring in. You know to me the football one last year and I know it couldn't have happened the only one I can think in my head of someone who's coaching right now because at the point we're saying this you know if you do it in December the college football season's over and you call North Carolina and you say can we borrow Belichick for the rest of the year. That's the other thing that they did. Who hires a coach for three weeks? I mean that's all they said to Torts when they brought them in. You got the eight regular season games and then the playoffs and then we're probably not going to keep you after that. Okay unless you go on just an amazing run but you know give it your best shot. We were floundering with this guy. We were going nowhere. Give it your best shot. Here's the other thing that's funny. Okay Torts and Cassidy are similar. Cassidy is a defensive minded coach. Cassidy is a disciplinarian. By the way they got one of the best defenses in the league. They're goal-tendings letting them down. Here's what I want to know. What can a coach do to fix goal-tending? I get three man them because while they're similar in coaching styles they're not similar in personality. Honestly what's holding Vegas back is their goal-tending. I guess they just need different voices to yell at them. But I mean you know weird things have happened this year in that sport. When have you ever seen firing a GM turn a team around the way it happened in Buffalo? It was amazing. Buffalo fired their general manager. Yeah who cares right? And the team has been the best team in the league since they fired their GM. Right they fired their GM December. And they made some moves at the deadline but this is long before the deadline. They fired the GM and I don't know if I walked in and said all your jobs are on the line. I get you just like I got rid of him. But I've never heard of that. I mean he did come in and basically say I have no idea why we're this bad. There's a lot of talent in this room. Okay. But for whatever reason they've lost seven times since they've brought in a new GM. They brought them in four months ago. Thank you. But anyway I kind of like it. I kind of like not giving up on a season. You know it could set the organization back a while. Yeah it could. But It's not in hockey. Not really. I agree. Which is why in Orlando. I mean give me a break the players aren't going anywhere. They all got max contracts. Bank arrow is going after this. Come on. Use your franchise. Bain's not going anywhere. North Shuddy by the way. Alright. Give her to the coach. They're clearly not playing for him. They lost by 52 in Toronto. What are you waiting for? 21 minutes past the hour and I don't know about you but I'm an Irish Catholic. Lives on carbs. And our poll question today is about potatoes. I mean you can't hit me where I live more than this poll question. It's not possible. What's today again? Tater Tots. No not Tots. Just National Tater Day. And I've looked to make sure they don't call it potato day. They just call it National Tater Day. Not Tater Tots. And there is a restaurant that I've gone to a couple of times here David. It's pretty close. It's a little bar restaurant. Not a bad place. Decent food. The above average food actually. They're into their tots there. They've got like tots a million different ways. I'm not a tots guy. But they're doing tots a lot of ways. They have good fries there too. But I get upset with the French fry part of life. Because most people buy, most restaurants buy frozen French fries now. They're not making fries. They're not cutting their own fries. Used to be one of my side work jobs. We had one of those potato slicers at a restaurant. You stuck the potato in and you press down. I mean you're a very sharp, very cool little machine. But that was part of your side work when you got ready to wait tables. But not money playing. I get the reasons why. It's a pain in the ass. Right. Yeah. There aren't many places. And I've been looking here. Because Tampa's got a pretty good restaurant scene. And there's a couple of joints that look like they've got the real deal. You know, there's a French restaurant. A buddy of mine from high school runs a hotel here. And I reached out to him the other day. I'm like, hey, give me your restaurant choices. And I was looking at one of them, this French place. And I'm like, look at those fries on the menu. That looks like the real deal. But yeah, mashed, baked French fries, au gratin. Sure, we could have gone breakfast potato. We could have gone a million different potatoes. But those are, you know, the au gratin kind of covers the scab up. They're damn close. And I'm torn, David. I've been staring at this question since 6.30 this morning. And I haven't answered it yet. I am too, because I think a really good mashed potato, okay, with the skin on the potato. I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to dunk this potato on the potato with butter is amazing. And so I'm weighing that against really well done mashed potatoes. You said mash twice. A baked potato with the skin verse okay. Baked with the skin and butter and then verses you know, the best baked with the skin and butter That's my one in one A and I think I'm going mash, but I'm not happy about it. I love your breakdown of this because see, if you put the olive oil on the skin and a lot of salt and put that in the oven, it comes out unbelievably well, but a mash done right. Done right. You know that that is really smooth. Yep. You get a lot of butter in there, maybe a little bit of cream. Oh, maybe even you put some garlic in there. But you get that perfect mashed potato. I went mashed and it's close because I'm down on French fries because most places, and it's not the French fries fault, David, it's not. It's the place that's been too lazy to make a good fry. So you're blaming the restaurants, not the fries. Exactly. It's not the potatoes fault. Right. The fries are innocent victims here. This is a 21st century problem. We've gotten lazy. Right. The fries are victims of neglect. Okay. All right. So baked mashed fries all grottin, which counts as scalloped also. Vote accordingly. That Mark Miller, the David Moulton Miller underscore Moulton on X. By the way, for the record, baked out to the lead. We haven't been getting a lot of votes lately. You guys have been down on our poll questions and that's okay. Yeah, I can't do anything about that. But that's the poll question for today. We could, you know, I mean, I don't know how to put, you know, the only way to put the Tortorella, Cassidy poll question out there would be, just to bring out what happened, what sport, what other sport should be firing a coach this late in the season? What sport could get away with firing a coach this late in the season? Because you present a great case with Orlando. You really do, David. I mean, it is a, it's a tremendous case because it certainly looks as if they've quit on him. It does. Okay, forget the last two and a half weeks where they've lost seven of eight. What was the expectation this year in Orlando? It was top four seed. Okay, is what it was. They went out and got Desmond Bain and thought Desmond Bain was the missing ingredient. A consistent 18 to 20 plus point a game score an outside shooter, because what did they have? Okay, they had an inside game. They had size. They could play defense. They couldn't hit the three and score from the perimeter. They gave up a ton for Desmond Bain and he is delivered by the way. He is delivered. And yet this is the worst team they've had in four years. How can that be? Well, to me, it's simple. I mean, to me, it's simple. They ain't playing for the coach. Defensively last year, they were one of the best teams in the league. They were stifling defensively. They were good inside the arc offensively. They could not shoot the three ball. They went and fixed the one problem. And we were calling for a trade last year. I mean, this is something we noticed mid season last year. We've actually talked magic more than heat on this show because we've been fortunate to get some pretty good magic guess and we've done the same thing with the heat. Alejandro Solana has been great to us over the years. So we, but, you know, for whatever reason, David and I kind of took an interest in the magic because we thought they were young. We thought they were on the come and we thought there was the potential for what David just said to be a top 14. Hell, there are four games above 500. They're closer to a nine seed. In fact, they're tied for the eight, nine spot right now. Right. And they've lost seven of eight and they just lost by 52. And it wasn't the second game of back to backs either. They lost by 52 in Toronto. I mean, that's not embarrassing. That's not humiliating. That's not, well, obviously I play him for this coach. How many games we got left in the season? Seven, eight, how many have they played? 75? They've played 74, they got six. They have eight games left, 82 game season. They have eight games left. That's it. It's the same as in the NHL. Both teams play 82 game seasons. Hockey goes to 84 next year. They got eight games left. I mean, if you get hot, you can get yourself out of the play-in for goodness sake. But I mean, why are you keeping this guy? I mean, he's dead man walking. The team is dead man walking. Why not make a move? I mean, do you really think you're gonna catch lightning in a bottle and be, someone's gonna take down Boston or Detroit in the first round? No. I mean, maybe Detroit's vulnerable because I don't know if, you know, when Cade's coming back, but I mean, they played with Cade last night, went to OT with Oklahoma City. Right. To me, if you're just letting the sucker play out, then you're, you've mailed in the season. And I don't know as an ownership group or as a general manager how you can do it. By the way, quick little NBA footnote, not footnote, but your team, talk about a team that these last few games are important. They're a game ahead of Cleveland. Everything runs according to Hoyle. That means they get Boston in the second round and not Detroit. And that sounds like you wouldn't want that because look it, either way, I don't think they're favorite. But the way Detroit has played the Knicks this year and really last year in the post season, if you're the Knicks, I think you'd rather have Boston in the second round. I do. Not to mention, I think Cleveland will take Detroit out. That's possible. Then all of a sudden, what do you have? You've got home court advantage. Well, here's the other thing in the East. Right now, Toronto and Atlanta are tied for the fifth seed. Everybody wants to play Toronto. Nobody wants to play Atlanta. So what do you, you're hoping Atlanta finishes fifth if you're the Knicks and you finish third. But if Atlanta finishes sixth, you want to finish fourth. You're listening to Miller and Moulton. And now here's Mark Miller and David Moulton. 22 minutes till the top of the hour. Andy Baskin will join us then. Talk about some of the comments that the Browns owner made yesterday. Sean Watson actually in the mix to be their starting quarterback, seriously? Sounds like it. Talk to Andy Baskin about it at the top of the hour. Our poll questions involve potatoes. Okay, what's the best potatoes? Baked, mashed, a couple of other choices, vote accordingly. But we've been kicking around something. Should teams fire their coach late in the year? Don't give up on the season, even if it looks like the team has given up on the coach. Mark, we forgot something. We did. We were, and I have neglected the Pelican Roofing in the Florida text line. We have a food question up for a poll question. They've been answering all day on that. And Denver did this last year with Malone. Four games left in the season, four games left. They fired the GM too, come to think of it. Yeah, and they got out of the first round and took the Thunder seven in the second round. Could argue it worked. So, and that's what Las Vegas doing this in the NHL with eight games left. Keith Smith covers the association, Spotrack, YouTube's NBA front office show. You can follow Keith on X, Keith Smith, NBA, Keith Smith, NBA. Keith, thanks for joining us. Hope you and the family are well. Hey, in all seriousness, because I know Orlando area is home for you. I think the magic should fire their coach. They've lost seven of eight. They've underachieved all year. They've clearly quit on them. He doesn't like their two best players. They don't like him. They just lost by 52 in Toronto. If the magic fired their coach, how dumb would that be? I don't think it would be dumb at all at this point. I am not someone who ever like campaigns or champions for people to lose jobs. There's only so many of them. These jobs are hard to get, they're hard to keep. But at some point you look at the results combined with the fact that I think it's pretty clear that he's lost this team. That debacle in Toronto, where they allowed a 31 to 0 run during the game, he is pretty clear sign to me that they're finished with him. I think he is, the writing is on the wall. And I think the questions are like, why are we dragging this out? At least maybe you get a little bit of a bounce, but I think they're gonna clear clean house here completely this off season. Because we're hockey guys too, and Vegas just fired their coach with eight games left and brought in a guy who's won and their coach before had won. So I don't think, I think you could do it right now in Orlando because they have woefully underachieved. But when you look at the East right now, I still think Boston's the team to beat, but matchups are everything. And with as close as Cleveland and the Knicks are right now with the way the Hawks are playing, I don't know how wide are you with Cade, when is he coming back? How do you stack the East right now? Yeah, I still think it's a, you know, kind of anyone's conference. And I'm seeing this assuming Cade Cunningham will be back on the floor for the Pistons and able to be, I add his normal level. If he is, the Pistons are really good and they can beat anybody. The Cavs on the right night look really, really good. They've just had a lot of weird games this season. I think they also have really say, we pushed really hard the last couple of years to win every game, you know, in the regular season and we haven't been right to the playoffs. And then you've got the Knicks who are, you know, they've played up and down at times right now. They're in a little bit of a downswing, but I have played pretty good. And you mentioned the Celtics. So I think any one of those four teams, if it was someone other than those four teams, I would be really surprised but I think a lot of it's gonna come down to, as you said, matchups and then help. You know, where are they at when they get into, you know, the second round and the like, if they're healthy, it's really a toss up between those teams. So there's not an Atlanta, a Charlotte Sixers with a healthy and Bede and George and Maxi, any one of the Florida teams. There's not a first round matchup that you think is dangerous for one of the top four seeds in the East because at various times in the last two months, Charlotte and Atlanta have actually looked like they could play a little basketball. I'm just curious, do you think there's any first round matchup that scares one of the top four teams? Yeah, you know, Charlotte, what's interesting with them is their offense has been really, really good. But I think as the season has gone along now and we're getting into teams playing them for a third and fourth time in the conference, they're realizing there's a lot of attack points on that defense in ways you can score on them. And I think that's gonna hurt Charlotte in a playoff series because their offense, when you've seen it two, three, four, five, six, seven times in a two week period, you're not gonna be surprised by any of the way they play. You're gonna have them shouted, you're gonna be ready to go. And I think it's gonna come down to a lot of personnel. And I don't know that Charlotte can get the stops the way they need to. Billy's interesting. I think if you could tell me, Billy's gonna be healthy. If they're gonna have their guys, they're gonna be ready to go. Yeah, they can compete and probably beat any one of the top four teams. I think we're all like just waiting for the other shooter drop to find out that indeed is out or George is out or Maxi went down. Again, because that's what happens every year with this team. And that could even include in a first round series. They can win the first game or two. And then all of a sudden it's like, God, now do I wanna be doubted and the whole series changes. So until they give us a reason to trust them, I don't think any of us are gonna really put a lot of faith in the fixtures. Keith, one of the reasons we wanted to bring you on is these tanking proposals that are out there. As David brought up earlier in our show, you saw the other nights up 10 with five minutes to play. They take all five out and end up losing the game. It's obvious that it's on purpose. To me, I'm hitting them in the pocket book and I'm hitting them as hard as I can hit them. And I mean, I don't care what the fines are now. It's gotta be two commas, if you know what I mean. Because if it's a hundred thousand or 300,000, it just doesn't do anything to these teams with the money that they have. First off, talk about the proposals that were out there. And what do you think if anything can work? Yeah, I think the overarching thing with the proposals are, they're a little confusing and a little hard to follow outside of the, we're all kind of calling it option one. Because that's how it was presented to us through the reporting. Option one basically says, all right, all the teams that didn't make the play in tournament, those teams, they're gonna have flat, those teams, they're gonna have flattened lottery odds, eight and a half percent each, which removes the need to be absolutely awful because you're just not gonna get anywhere with that. So that is, that's good from that sense. I don't love that that option also includes teams that losing the first round of the playoffs. Not a big fan of that. I think if you actually make the playoffs, you've done a thing here. So let's kind of eliminate that part of it. I just don't think that's a great idea to have in there. So I think what's important to note too with all these proposals is that these were just frameworks. They weren't locked into, you must pick one of these or anything like that. And there's now already some teams have come out, the players association came out with their own thoughts on this that is, all right, we're gonna have to pick some of these apart a little bit. I think what we're gonna see ultimately is they're gonna kind of put some of these pieces and parts together. One thing I think they need to do is we need to severely limit the pick protections because that's what's going on with Utah and Washington this year is they both have these top eight protected pits and they wanna make sure that they keep those pits. And that's why you try anytime it's been, all right, we've actually won a couple of games too many. Let's make sure we engineer a loss or two here to make that happen. So they've got, in my mind, they need to do something because they determined this is a massive problem. I quite frankly don't think it's all that worse than it has been. And you're right with the fines, but the problem is with the fines unless you really start going big, I think what the fines need to be is, I hate, we already hate you with the max money fine. Next is we're gonna start moving your draft pit to the back of the round. Or if you continue it, we're gonna take it away entirely. That's how you really hit them because these ownership groups are now so rich that the fines need to be so over the top for them to even feel it. Keith Smith covers the NBA for a living spot rack. The NBA is for an office show. Follow him on X, Keith Smith, NBA, Keith Smith, NBA. Can I throw a radical idea to you? But I actually think the NBA is to the point between the tanking and the load management where I think they need to get radical. What if they did away with the draft? I love it. What if they did away with the draft? We could not think about it. Okay, you'd go, oh, everybody wanna play for these teams. Yeah, they got caps and they've already paid players. They don't have money for the good guys in the draft. They'd have to take minimum wage. And when this team over here is offering you X and they're offering you 8% of that, are you really gonna sign with the Lakers? I mean, I'm just curious, do you think we could experiment because that would give rid of tanking. There's no reason to tank. We don't have a draft. Yeah, it is interesting. The pushback is exactly what you said is that everybody will sign with the glamour franchises because who's gonna willingly sign up to go to some of the small market teams and really wanna go there unless it's just the money grab. What I have heard many people say is, well, even if you still have the salary cap, if you're the nicks of the Lakers, guys talk about it all the time is, and I went there and yeah, I was making minimum, but I made 10 million more in endorsement deals because anybody who plays for the nicks or Lakers or bulls or self-exects, you're gonna get a whole bunch of endorsements that you wouldn't get if you're playing in Orlando or San Antonio or wherever. So that part does factor in because what you could have is, all right, hey, come here and play for us. Yeah, you're only gonna make three million bucks a year on your initial deal, but we're gonna get you 10 or 15 million in endorsement. And that's where it could get a little bit sideways. So I don't know exactly how they fix it, but it is something that's up there. I can tell you the Players Association would love it. They love the idea, no draft for sure, because they don't love the idea of a player just based on the bounce of a lottery ball, lands where they land, and then they're there under team control for somewhere between the next four to nine season. Who's the MVP this year? Wemby's making a case. We're big fans of what Jaylen Brown's doing because he's carried a Celtics team that was, a lot of people thought it was gonna be a play-in team. I know Yolk, it's just great. I know SGA, he goes to the line too much. Who do you think is the MVP? And at the same time, who's the best player in the league? Are they the same? Now that's a really great distinction because I don't think that they're the same. I actually think it is two different people here. I think the best player in the league is either Wemby or Yolkic. And that's crazy to think that we're already there with Victor Wembanyama, but that's how good he has been. And then I think with MVP for the season, I think it is SGA. He's been putting together an incredible stat line and I get it with all the foul-baiting stuff. But even if you take that out of the mix, the guy is still unreal. He brings it, he does play on both ends of the floor. He is a really good defensive player. Then Wemby for me is they kind of taken that second spot and part of it is team record. Yolkic's team has struggled this year. They are not, they struggled as a relative term compared to our expectations for them. Jaylen Brown, I mean, most people know, the Celtic sky grew up just south of Austin. I love what Jaylen Brown has done too, but there's just been too many games last night, a great example where everything kind of gets sideways with him. It's been great to see what he's done. And if we start quibbling over valuable versus best, yes, there's value there because he took him away. What would that team have been? But ultimately it comes down to, all right, who was the best player for this season? I think it's SGA who is the best player in the league. It's Yolkic or Wemby. Probably still Yolkic, but Wemby's coming for that round. I think the SGA foul situation is a real problem. I actually think it's the third biggest problem in the league behind tanking and load management. I really do, because it's gonna affect who's gonna win the NBA title. Listen, Jordan didn't get calls like this. I'm serious, he didn't. Name a player in the league history who got calls like this. Come on, 25 free throws last night. The rest of the team shot seven. I mean, Keith, we got 30 seconds. I'm sorry to set you up like this, but you don't think this to me is a staggeringly big problem. No, I'm not disagreeing with you. I think there are certain guys who get very favorable whistles. And once it's out of the box, it's out of the box. And that's where we're at with SGA is, now it's just gonna be a thing. And yeah, I think the league needs to sit down with the coaches, with the officials, all together, it sit down and talk through, hey, what is our ultimate goal here with the competition committee and rework this? Because it's absolutely something I hear every single night. And it's not just SGA, you're in about Jalen Brown. You hear it starting, you hear it about Wemby. You hear it about Yolkich. So yeah, with your needs fit. Keith Smith, following my ex at Keith Smith NBA. Keith is always safe travels. Thanks for your time.