1434 - Jay and his Wife Were Both in the Ministry and Now They’re Hotwfing?!

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When you hear what these two pastors were doing with the pictures of their wives and shit, you're going to be like, where the fuck is that? His wife like got in on it and they were doing all this stuff with the friend. And that was something that made him realize that he was really into the whole, oh, you know, some other guy, ogling his wife or getting turned on by his wife. And that's what got him into the whole hot wifeing thing. And for a while, it wasn't something that they would ever do. They were still in the ministry. His wife was very religious. And then they talk about how and why he got out of it. That's a whole interesting story. And they did like an erotic massage with the guy and they talk about that. And, you know, and then they took it a step further. She wound up having this crazy cracks. And that's another crazy story in this whole thing. Wait till you hear the details of that. And then they wound up first time having their first threesome with a guy recently. And that's where the story ends with that whole thing. It's a very interesting story. Their whole sort of life and how it unfolded is super interesting and how his wife like grew and changed through everything as well as how he did. He's still super religious. He's not a pastor anymore, but they still go to church. And we do talk about how he can like, you know, be both be very religious and still into all the things that he's into, but also share his wife with another man. It's a great story. You're going to love it. Okay. And so I'm going to get ready to be right back on John. This is the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Ah, hi, Jay. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. How are you today? Hey, I'm good. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for calling in. Supposedly you and your wife were like in the ministry. Yeah. The past two years and now you're having threesomes with guys. Right. Exactly. Yeah. We spent 12 years in like what you'd call full-time ministry. Yeah. You guys met in Bible study, right? Yeah. Bible college. Oh, in Bible college. Even more hard to call. Okay. Let's go back to that time. First of all, how long you guys married now? So in July, we'll be 14 years. Okay. So and how old are you guys? Like late 30s, 40s? Early 30s? Early, early 30s. Early 30s. How old? Yeah. We were 33. We got married at 19. Oh my goodness. Who the fuck gets married at 19? I know. It's wild. You're still together though. And you're having, I mean, listen, some people, that's their story, but it's not the majority. You know what I mean? But that's nice. Okay. So let's go all the way. We're best friends. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. So let's go all the way back to, I'm assuming you were both born very religious? Yeah. So I'm third generation pastor. So I went to, I graduated early at 17. My wife graduated early at 17. We're from different states. Okay. And I went to a new state to go to Florida and that's where I got in Florida to go to college for seminary. And that's where I met her was in seminary school. Oh my God. So were you guys were becoming pastors too? Yes. What religion allows women to be pastors? Can you tell, is it okay to tell me? Yes. We're essentially non-denominational. Just Christian non-denominational, very modern. Oh, that's interesting. Is it? Yeah. I was going to say, like, is it way more lax than like some of the really hardcore religions where like you can't have sex before you're married. There's no masturbation. Exactly. Yeah. So I grew up that way. I grew up hardcore. I don't know if you know what Pentecostal holiness is. I know Pentecostal. I've heard the word Pentecostal. Yeah. Okay. But what's Pentecostal holy? The holiness part is the crazy part. That's where like women have to have long hair. They got to wear jeans, skirts, can't wear jewelry. Oh, interesting. Like, yeah, I grew up, I couldn't eat Lucky Charms because we don't believe in luck. Like couldn't watch Power Rangers because we don't believe in morphing. Like, it's, it was crazy. Wow. I could spend an hour just asking you questions about that whole religion. It's so fascinating to me. I know. It really is. Yeah. Okay. And go on. I would say I'm grateful for it, but I'm glad to be out of it. Yeah. And how about her? What was her backstory? So she didn't grow up in church at all. Oh, interesting. Her parents, yeah, her parents never took her to church or anything. She went to youth group in high school and loved it, fell in love with Jesus and decided that's what she wanted to do for the rest of her life. Wow. If that didn't happen, you guys would have never met. Right, exactly. Yeah. That's so interesting that she had that calling, right? It's not typical for a woman, right? Right. Yeah, exactly. And what, and so she got into the same, like she chose the same religion, like that Bible study group that you guys went to was this religion that you are now? Yes. Yes. We both went to the same Bible college. Oh, okay. So there you are going to Bible college. And now in this religion, since it's very modern, you can get married, obviously. Yes. Because your parents were married, you know, your father was married and everything. Okay. So, so you guys are now, is there like sex before marriage in that religion or no? So no, but we were. Okay. So you're not supposed to, but honestly, we were having sex like right away. Oh, really? But let me ask you this, do you both lose your virginity to each other or were you had, you had sex before with other people? Yes. So she lost her virginity to me, but I was a little bit of a whore in high school. And so I had slept with a number of women before that. Oh, you had. Okay. So, and okay, so you guys meet, you, you're having sex right off the bat, but you're both like on this mission to become ministers, nothing changes, right? You guys get married. It's all good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we got married in 19. We went straight into full time ministry. I got my first job, like we went from our honeymoon straight to my very first full time youth pastoring job. Wow. How big was your congregation? At that time, the church was maybe 250 people. Okay. And I was in charge of the youth group. So we had maybe 40 to 50 in our youth group. Okay, that's cute. So is that what you do as a youth minister? Like you, you're in charge of the youth at that point, like that's how you work your way up? Yes. That's when you start. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. The plan was to start there and then work my way up. Right. Okay. And what was she doing? So she, so this is where it gets a little tricky. She always wanted to be in full time ministry as well. But in that, in that kind of denomination we were in at the time, there's not really much room for women to be pastors, right? So she just kind of turned into your typical pastor's wife, arm candy, which is terrible as that sounds. But that's, that's, that's essentially what she turned into. Just make me look better. You know, let me ask you this because my father was a reverend. And so my mother, like, I mean, you know, she did a lot for the church. So when you are the, like, right, the right hand person, I mean, you can wind up being extremely involved. My mom was like very involved. So was she also very involved in her part, even though she's just your wife, quote unquote? Yes, absolutely. So I had her preaching at least once a month with me. She led worship in our main sanctuary. I was the drummer in the main sanctuary on Sundays. So we, you know, we did everything together in the church. So she was still involved in getting her fill, fix of like what she really wanted to do because she wanted to do that too. Uh huh. Exactly. I was just the only one that got the paycheck. Yeah. Well, there you go. It was a man's world back then. It's changing. It's changing. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay. So do you guys have winds up having kids and stuff? Yeah, we had a kid, our first daughter was born four days before our first anniversary. Oh, wow. So we had kids very quick and then we had twins right after that. Oh, no way. Fraternal or identical? Identical. Wow. That's really hardcore. Boys or girls? Sorry. I am so curious. I did go down such a ramp. I know the boys. Two boys, two twins. And do they look exactly alike? Is it for, I like, oh my God, that's so crazy. I still to this day have a hard time. I'll be talking to one. Yeah, I'll be talking to one of them and he's like, I'm not him. I'm whatever. I'm like, I'm sorry. Yeah, but maybe they're fucking with you because they're in trouble. They're just saying that. Exactly. They can really use that. I can't wait. They can use that to their advantage. Yeah. I can't wait for the school to call us and say they were pretending to be each other. I'm just going to high five them. Like, good job, guys. Yeah, they can totally use that to their advantage. It's funny. Okay, so how during all this time, because it's like only two years ago that you decide to start doing stuff, but like, like how is your intimate life with each other? Like while you're marrying kids and all this kind of stuff and during that time? Yeah. So we first got married. We had a great sex life, but it would, I would say it was very vanilla. Something that I'm ashamed about that I just didn't realize is that like she's supposed to orgasm when we have sex. How did you not know? I just, I don't know. I just didn't know. I mean, you did say you were a player in school. You were like a selfish player, obviously. Exactly. Yeah. Just get mine and be done, I guess. Yeah. And she wasn't speaking up and saying, I'm not finished and keep going or anything. So she was just like not having, was she faking it? No. But she didn't tell me years later, she faked it a couple of times. Right. But you didn't even know that like you're not supposed to, like you're supposed to see that, you know, big shebang like at the end, right? Like you had no idea even that you were interesting. Okay. I read the book. She comes first. Yeah. Great book. Great book. And that really changed my mind. Oh, wow. Did she like give that to you as a present or like, how did you come across that book? I actually, so I listened to it on your podcast. Oh, you're kidding. I heard someone talk about it. Yeah. And so I was like, I need to listen to that. Okay. So this whole time she's like, you know, you're fine and think everything's great, but she didn't, she really wasn't having orgasms or anything. She never spoke up for herself. Was she the type that had trouble having orgasms or she just didn't have them with you because you didn't know what the f*** you were supposed to do? Yeah, more of that one. I just didn't know. She's pretty easy to make, to make come now. Oh, really? Okay. So that must have changed the game when you got that book and you started focusing into that, just like open up the lines of communication with you guys? Yes. Yes. So it made me, it made me realize like, holy crap, she's supposed to come. But then it also, when I started making her come, it made me realize like, holy s***, I love watching her come. Like, this is incredible. Has your sex drive felt off lately? Or have you ever had a time where your sex drive just wasn't where it normally is? I feel like that's like super common with both men and women. 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All you got to do is go to vb.health and use my code Strictly for 10% off. That's vb.health. Use code Strictly for 10% off or just go to the description, click on the link and use my code Strictly. Yeah, more of that one. I just didn't know. Yeah, she's pretty easy to make to make come now. Oh, really? Okay. So that must have changed the game when you got that book and you started focusing into that. Just like open up the lines of communication with you guys? Yes. Yes. So it made me realize like, holy crap, she's supposed to come. But then also when I started making her come, it made me realize like, holy shit, I love watching her come. Like this is incredible. Oh, interesting. Yeah, because typically, and I always see this and I think it's very true. A lot of people think all men are really selfish, but typically I think it's the opposite. Men mostly get a lot of, like most of the pleasure out of making the woman orgasm. They love that. You know what I mean? They'll work their ass off for that. It feeds their ego. It makes them feel, it's like hot to them. You know what I mean? It's a thing. Right. Yeah, exactly. So you finally experienced that? Yeah, I finally experienced it and I loved it. It was like my goal is now to make her come as many times as possible. Exactly. It makes me so happy to see her. Right. Okay. So she must have been happy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Our sex life increased like crazy once I've learned that. We were still what I would call considered vanilla, but we started exploring more. We started like using bondage, ropes, toys and just having more fun, just exploring ourselves. We kind of came to the realization like, this isn't a sin for us to do, right? Because we grew up, or the way I grew up, sex is disgusting, it's terrible, it's a sin, stay away from it. Oh, really? Yeah. So we kind of realized like this isn't a sin. We're allowed to explore our bodies, like that's okay. And it made our sex life so much better. Right. When you took away the shame or the best. Exactly. Okay. Did she have that in her life too or no? It was more just you? No. No. It was more, yeah. She was open, but she had this persona that she wanted to carry of like the proper pastor's wife at that time. I can imagine. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So it was a little challenging trying to figure all this out with us, you know, being in ministry. Yeah. Imagine what those people would think if they heard you on my show right now. Oh my God. You get fired so fast. So I know that it all kind of kicks off with some sort of erotic massage. I mean, is that where we should go next? Is that where it progressed from like you pleasing her to this massage happening? Yeah, well, let's back up just a little bit. So I'm learning how to please her. And you know, I have a best friend from college. He was in my wedding. I was in his wedding and we're texting. We text every day we have for 15 years. And one day he texted me and we're just talking late at night. He's like, bro, your wife is so hot. Oh my God. Don't even tell me that this is the guy that's going to massage your wife. No. Oh, okay. I was like, this is my best friend. Oh, well, he is saying your wife's hot. Okay, that's a little weird. So he's like, your wife is so hot. Oh my God. Like, dude, she's so sexy. I'm like, bro, your wife is so hot. Let's send some pictures. And so we start sending each other pictures. Can you believe this goes down in the male community? I know. And you know what's funny is this guy's a full-time pastor too. Yeah, of course. It's not funny. It's common, I think. Oh my God. Right. Okay, go. So we start sending pictures and I'm like, dude, I like that this guy's like talking about my wife and like how hot she is. Like this is turning me on. And so I'm like, bro, if I could talk her into like texting you and texting you, would you be cool with that? And he's like, yeah. Oh my God. Did he say I'll do the same with my wife or you had no interest in his wife? It was more about you him ogling your wife that you were down for. That bitch wouldn't send me his wife's number. Okay. But you asked too. You wanted the, okay, okay. But he's like no way. He said, yeah, he said she'd be a hard no. Okay. But your wife was a yes. Yeah. So it took some talking to her. I just talked to her, brought it up and she's like, yeah, let's do it. I need to know that conversation. Do you go? I mean, like, she must have been like, what the fuck's going on here? Like, I mean, you go back to your wife and you're like, you know, as a pastor, you're like, my best friend who's a fucking pastor too, right? Is like, you know, me and him have been trading picks. I've seen his wife, he's seen yours. He's into you and I want you to sex them. I mean, what was her first reaction? How did you proposition her with this whole thing? I mean, this was like 14 years ago. So it's hard to remember. I'm sorry. But the gist, it's okay. It's what was the gist. Yeah. So it was absolutely not. There's no way. And then it turned into, it turned into me and him look exactly alike. Okay. It turned into, well, I'm kind of attracted to him. And then I was like, babe, his dick is just like mine. Like, you'd like it, you know, like it, like we're the same, you know, like we're best friends. And she was like, all right, let's try it. Wow. And yeah, so she tried it one night. And we're just laying in bed. She's sexting him. And I'm like reading the messages. She's reading them to me. And I'm just getting so turned on. I'm like, this is so fucking hot. Like, she was like, did to the fit that considering she was down? Yeah, she did like it. She liked it a lot. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it turned into her and him kind of sexting here and there. I ended up going away. I started moving up like in the youth pastor world in that state. And I was on the team that runs the state. There's like a board of youth pastors. I was on that board that runs that state. And so I had to go serve three weeks for summer youth camps without her. And I was like, babe, you just do your thing, like feel free to text him, whatever you want to do while I'm gone. And when I came back, it was the hottest thing, just scrolling through all of their messages. Like the whole time I was gone, they were texting and sending each other dirty pictures. And I was, I mean, I was getting so turned on just reading all of these things. Unbelievable. Yeah. But I didn't know what this was at the time. I'm like, what, why do I like this? Yeah. Yeah. This is a long time ago. This isn't two years ago. This, like you said, is like 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay. So I started Googling like, why do I like when other guys like my wife, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And then I run into the word cuckold. I run into the word hot wife. And I realized very quickly, I'm not a cuck. I don't, I don't want to be humiliated at all. But it turns me on to see her happy. And that's when I ran into the word compersion, which I've heard people talk about on your podcast. And so for years at that point, I'm all I'm doing, I'm living on this Reddit subreddit called Hot Wife Lifestyle. And it's just people explaining their stories, their first times, like how they got into all these things. And I lived on that thing for years, just everyday reading stories. And I started bringing it up to her like, Hey, babe, what would you think about, you know, adding a guy in and you fucking them? And of course, she was hard. No, absolutely not. We're pastors. What are you talking about? And then she's like, you just want to fuck other girls. I'm like, no, babe, I swear, like this is just about you. Like I love seeing you happy. And you've never had anyone but me. Like what if someone could give you a better orgasm than I can give you? And listen, I mean, it's not like a big stretch. She's been sexting your friend for a while now. It's not like so off the, it's so, it's not like so out of the ordinary here. She's like halfway there. Exactly. But then we had this, we had this whole dilemma in our minds, you know, we're wanting to do this, we're talking about doing this, but we're also pastors. You know, there's like a moral dilemma. We believe that, you know, if you're going to be in leadership in the church, you should be holy, you should be set apart, you should live different than other people. Yeah. And your congregation would feel the same way. Exactly. Exactly. And so it was just this moral dilemma. And so she was always hard to know, like we can never do this. And so I just would watch hot life porn and jerk off all the time. Let me ask you this. Did the sexting between the friend and your wife eventually like fizzle out or did that just go on forever? Yeah, it fizzled out. After about six months, it fizzled out. Yeah, like if you're not going to go all the way, where do you go? Right? Like it's kind of, yeah. Well, and we had some rules with it, like, bro, you just got to tell me before you text her. And then he started like trying to text her without telling me. Or I would always know, yeah, I'd always know that he was going to text her because he would text me and be like, what are you doing? And if I was at work, then I knew he was going to text her. We're a fucking sneak. I know, I know he's a little bitch, but he's still my best friend. Yeah, that's how well that's how guys are. Guys are different than girls. Girls will never talk to each other again, but guys, you know, get over shit easy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But thankfully, my wife was like, you know, he's already breaking the rules, like fuck this dude. And so she just cut it off with him. That's smart. Yeah, smart. Yeah. So we, I start bringing it up, start bringing up hot wifing. I start sending her stories. I start sending, I found your podcast, start sending your podcast to her random stories of it. And she's like, this is hot, like this is kind of hot, but I don't think we could ever do it. And so this is kind of where the story goes to the erotic massage. So I was, I was kind of feeling in my heart that I wanted to get out of ministry, right? I'd been in it. It's all I know. And I kind of felt like I wanted to get out of it. And so we kind of, you know, made up in our minds, we're going to get out of it. And so we went to this concert in Dallas, a sleep token concert, which I don't know if you know sleep token, incredible band. No, I don't know. Is it heavy metal? Yeah, it's like an ambient type metal. Yeah, ambient metal. It's the perfect metal baby making music. Okay, interesting. Incredible. Yeah. So we planned on going to this concert and I told her, you know, hey, how would you feel if we set up a massage for you? And she was like, all right, let's do it. And so I just go online, I find this guy and we go to the concert, we go back to the hotel, he meets us there. And she lays on the bed, you know, he gets undressed or she gets undressed and he starts massaging her and I'm just kind of sitting over on the side. And Kathy, I actually got extremely nervous because when it first started, like I couldn't get hard. I was like, oh, no, do I not like this? Like what's going on? Yeah, but you had to have heard that in some of my stories. It's like it's weird that it happens, but it does happen a lot. Yeah, exactly. So in my brain, I'm like, it's okay, just calm down. You know, I'm watching her massager. And you know, he starts touching her tits and touching her ass. I'm like, okay, this is this is nice. And then he calls me over, he's like, hey, come over here and help me. And so I'm, I'm rubbing her tits. And then he starts fingering her. He ends up making her come like three or four times. And like she had a great night. She loved it. I wonder if this was the guy that was on my show. I had a guy on my show who was like a massager. Could have been. Yeah. Yeah. How'd you find him again? Just online. I just started Googling. Yeah, he's on Reddit. Actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, I think I found him on SDC. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Was he this? This is how he pitched himself as like a mass, erotic massager? Yes. Yeah, I wonder if it's the same guy. Anyway, go on. I mean, I've already aired his episode. He was on as like, this is what I do for checks. He's a really nice guy, you know? Yeah. Anyway, so it's so cool. Yeah. So the massage went great. We talked afterwards. We fucked like crazy afterwards all night long. We talked. How did she feel considering she had like all this kind of reservations of like crossing the line because of your her religion and what you guys do and everything, you know what I mean? Yeah. So she loved it. She for the first time, she said it feels like because she almost had this pride of I've only ever been with you. Yeah. You know, like, so she she realized like casual sex is okay. You know, I talked to her about it like they buy sex all through high school and I didn't care girls at all, you know, casual sex is okay. Yeah. And so she kind of learned and like realized like, okay, this was like, this wasn't bad. I don't feel attached to this guy like he just did his thing and left. You know, right? That was fine. Hey guys, has timing ever been an issue for you in the bad room? Well, listen, you're definitely not alone because there really is an orgasm gap. It's a fact. Girls take a little bit longer to have an orgasm than guys. And that's where promescence delay spray comes in. It's not just for guys with premature ejaculation. It is for any guy who wants more control and confidence in the bedroom. Promescence delay spray does not totally numb you out. Okay. 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And I've got a special deal for my listeners right now when you buy two months of blue chew gold, you get the third for free with promo code strictly a non that's promo code strictly a non visit bluechew.com for more details and important safety information. And I thank blue chew for sponsoring the podcast. I didn't care. Casual sex is okay. Yeah. And so she kind of learned and like realized like, okay, this was like, this wasn't bad. I don't feel attached to this guy. Like he just did his thing and left. You know, that was fine. Yeah, interesting. So then we decided, you know, the the massage will be okay with us being pastors, right? That was kind of like not too far. But then I you know, I'm still considering leaving the ministry and we end up going on vacation to Montana, we're talking while we're there. And when we get back, I get this insane job offer, which I'd gotten so many job offers to be a lead pastor, I'd worked my way up, moved across the country multiple times. And at this point, I'm an executive pastor for a very large church. I'm running the budget, I hire, I fire, like I do everything but preach on Sundays, right? And I'm good at it. You know, it's all I know. But is your end goal to preach on Sundays? Is that what you really want? Or do you enjoy that what you're doing at this point? So that's what I thought I wanted. I thought I wanted to preach every Sunday. Yeah. But then the more I started doing it. So my pastor, he kind of wanted to come up with a succession plan, like, Hey, you start preaching once a month, he was a few years from retirement, he wanted me to take his church. So I started preaching once a month. And then I started getting insane job offers all through the state. And then the very last one was this incredible opportunity, people don't get this opportunity. It was just a very large church as my very first like lead pastor job. And we prayed about it. My wife and I prayed, my prayer sounded like this, like, God, I'm terrified. But if this is what you want me to do in my life, I'll do it. If you open this door, I'll run through it. If not, slam this door shut. Right. And I'm going to get out of ministry. And the church was voting between me and this other pastor. And on Friday, their lead elder called me and said, Hey, you're our guy. No, wait. And when you say large, what's large in your religion? As far as the scar? It was about, it was about a thousand people. Wow, that is large. Yeah, especially for your very first job. Yeah, for sure. So he calls me, he's like, Hey, you're our guy. And I'm like, Holy crap. Okay. All right. I guess I'll do it, God. And so then that Sunday morning comes around and all of a sudden I get a call and they said, Hey, we voted in the other guy and he got 98% of the vote. And I just, Why did they call you before they did the vote? I don't understand. I thought you won the vote. Yeah, no. So there's, they called me on Friday, they voted that Sunday. So the elders, they called me and said, you're our guy. But apparently something happened Saturday. They all met on Saturday night. They all prayed together and they just had to change your heart at the last minute and decided to go with the other guy. Oh my God. Yeah, crazy. Yeah. So they call me, they apologize. They're like, man, we're sorry. And as soon as I get off the phone with them, I just had this sense of relief. Like, thank you God. Right. Okay. I felt like God slammed the door shut, which is what I prayed for. And so then at that point, I was like, Okay, I'm out in the ministry. So I kept getting phone calls. I was trying to find jobs in that state just outside of ministry, but I kept getting phone calls to go pastor in that state. And so we moved across the United States, we're like, let's start over. So we move across the United States, we're out of ministry, I don't work in ministry anymore. I've got a great job. And then we're like, okay, now let's take this hotwifing thing serious now that we feel like we have no moral obligation. Interesting. Right. Okay. Can I just ask you a quick question? This is just my own psychotic curious mind. Like, I'm wondering like, you know, if you're a minister, your whole life that are pastor, that's what you're doing. You know, what other like, what other kind of job, like you said, you, you're totally out of it and you do something else, like what other job are you equipped for after doing that? Like, what do you do now? If you kind of explain? Yeah. So I went the complete opposite. You know, I was sitting in an office at a desk all day. And now I work outside on cars. Oh, interesting. Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. So which I love it. I'm working with my hands. I really do love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Okay, cool. So go on. So you move, you do all this stuff. You're in a totally new place. You take your kids with you. Your wife says you are not, she's not in the ministry anymore either, because you're not right. She never really was. Right. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Yeah. So, you know, we both get good jobs. We're, we're living life. We start talking about it more. I keep bringing it up. Like, what do you think? And then we finally decide, she says, all right, babe, let's do it. And so we find a guy and we've been messaging him and then out of nowhere, he ghosts us. Wait, I have one more question. Sorry. I have one more question for you and everyone could fuck off that I'm interrupting because I'm going to bring you right back to this in a second. I just want to know what is your family who has all these generations of pastors in their life think about you sort of ending things and, you know, giving it up and just becoming a regular person. Yeah. So my dad is like very disappointed. Right. Because, you know, he wanted me to take his church too. Yeah, no, I could get it. Yeah, I got it. And that's what I was curious, like they were, they were upset. Yeah. Yeah. So my dad to this day probably doesn't even think that I'm a Christian anymore, which I am, you know, I still go to church every Sunday. I love Jesus. Of course. Yeah. But because he thinks, yeah, he thinks I'm called to be in full time ministry. He thinks I'm running from God, which I don't feel like I am. I feel like I'm happier now than I was in ministry. Right. You know, and that's how I feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. For you, right. But your father just doesn't see it, right? Because he had a totally different path. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. All right. So, okay. So now you get back to the first guy. He flakes. Yes, he flakes. Gave before doesn't, you know, just ghosts us. And this happens probably three or four times. Like we're, we're just getting ghosted and it's frustrating. I don't understand why these guys do this crap. Someone said it's to get the pictures and shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Which is why for from now on, like we don't send pictures anymore. We're not, we're not doing the texting, texting, shit anymore for weeks in advance. Like we're done with that. Because that's what we were doing. And then we felt like, you know, once they get their pictures, they're good. Right. Which is so frustrating. But so we finally met this guy that we decided, you know, we think this is going to work. And we had planned to go out. It was the following weekend. And so that week before my wife gets into this insane car accident, insane car accident. Was she by herself or were the kids with her? She was by herself and she had our dog in the back seat. Oh my God. She was driving my truck. She got ejected out of the passenger window, which was wild. So she wasn't driving or she was driving and she flew out the, did she have a seatbelt on? Yes. You're kidding. That's how bad, oh, she was. She didn't have a seatbelt on? No, we, we had a long talk about that. Thank God she survived. I don't understand people that don't fucking put a seatbelt on. It's like what, it's not 1984 anymore. Just put a seatbelt on. But anyway, but so she wasn't, and she literally flew out the other side of the window. Yeah. She literally flew out the other side. And you know what's crazy, Kathy is, so this is how my mom died. My mom died when I was two years old by a car accident. Oh my God, I just got the chills. You're fucking kidding me. And so my whole life, I've just been fearful like my wife is going to die in a car accident. You know, that's been my whole life. And this, this story is crazy. I'll go into it a little bit, but I was at our house and it happened like a quarter mile from our house and I heard it happen. You're kidding. And instantly, yeah, instantly I knew in my heart like it was her. You're kidding. And so, yeah, so I just go running down our driveway. Our driveway is like 600 feet long. I go running down our driveway and I'm just screaming, which this is insane. I'm screaming, God, please don't kill my wife. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. I was taught my whole life like God killed my mom as punishment towards my dad for not being in, yeah, I know this is why. Who taught you that? So my dad, which is so wild. It's so stupid. This is why you don't have to listen to this is why you know that your dad telling you that you're wrong for getting out and you don't like it. Nothing he says means anything because look what he told you when you were young. It's terrible. Exactly. Exactly. So his story is he was supposed to be in ministry, but he wasn't. And so God killed his wife to get him back in ministry. But that makes sense of why he then projects onto you. You got out of ministry, blah, blah, blah. Exactly. Oh my God. And how what a mind fuck for you. Now you're thinking I got out of ministry and now my wife's going to die like what happened to my father. It's like the fucking story he told you. Exactly. Oh my God. This is a good story on its own. Sorry. I know. Anyway, I'm running down this driveway screaming God, please don't kill my wife. I get to my truck. I can't find her. I'm like, where the heck is she? And this woman is screaming. She got hit so hard. I don't know where she is. And so I get in the back seat. She's not there. I'm looking around and finally how's your dog? Is your dog still in the car? Yes, he was still in the car. Okay. He's good. He lost a couple of teeth. Okay. Okay. So go on. So you're looking for your wife. Yeah, I found her 25 feet from the vehicle and she was facedown in the mud because it had been raining. And so I'm like, I'm trying to wake her up. She's not moving. She's not talking. I'm trying not to move her because I don't know if she's broke her back or neck or anything. And finally she comes to, she's like, what happened? I'm like, babe, don't talk. Just don't worry about it. The cops are on their way. They get her there. She broke her neck. She broke her shoulder blades. Her carotid artery was dissected, which is like a little tear in it. She ruptured her spleen. Like it was bad. Oh my God. And she, I mean, to break your neck and not wind up paralyzes, like she's one of the lucky ones. I mean, right? Like, how did she like, I mean, how do you break your neck and still walk? Yeah. So it was the outside of the bone. So it didn't touch like any of the inside kind of like where the, where it's like a horseshoe, like the tips of the horseshoe kind of broke off of the vertebrae. So she was in a neck brace for three months. And honestly, that, that time was incredible because it's the first time in my life I felt like I actually served my wife. Like I had to wash her hair for her. I had to shave her legs for her. And it felt like I was serving her. And it just felt so good. Like just as a husband to be able to do that. Yeah. That's so much. I love that you said that. That's like a very interesting observation. You know what I mean? It's amazing. And maybe the other guys have, maybe felt that, but never don't even know how to put that into words, but that's like super interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I loved it. So she, she heals up, she gets better. She's in a neck brace for three months. Her carotid artery, she was on medicine for over a year. But then finally, she, I decide, you know, actually in my head, I'm like, God must have done this because we were going to meet with a guy, you know, in my head. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. And so I'm like, I'm never bringing this shit up again. Like I'm done with it. Never bringing it up again. And one night we were having sex and she's sucking my dick and she goes, babe, when are you going to get me another dick to suck? I went, holy shit. Yeah. Cause you, I don't know what's going on with her. She almost died. Okay. So now she has a whole new lease. She's like, you know what, you only live once. Let's fucking get it on. You know what I'm saying? Cause that's exactly what happens to people when they face death. They're like, let's fucking live it up. Right? Yeah. That's exactly what happens. So since then, like she's, she's quit her job and started her own business just because she's like, dude, I only live once. If I'm going to die, like I'm going to do what I want to do. Yeah. Because she was, I think that that happened. So it did kind of change her in that way. Yeah. And it's turned her into more of a dominant personality as well. Like she's very type A, like, yeah, why the fuck not? Yeah. Why the fuck not? Yeah. She'd be asking you for orgasms finally now if you weren't giving them to her. Yeah. Exactly. Which she does. She'll be like, Hey, let's go make me come. Yeah. So we, we decided, all right, let's start meeting guys. We get ghosted a few more times. Insanely frustrating. And finally, actually, no, the night of that we do this, we go over, you know, boundaries. I'm reading, I'm researching all of these things with her coming up with a plan. We're very like organized. We try to plan everything, all the rules, all those kinds of things, which I can go over those with you if you want. Yeah, I love to hear those. Yeah. So our rules are they were no anal, no cream pies. And then these were for me, no coming in her mouth or her face. And that's because she barely lets me come on her face, you know, but she swallows all the time. So, but that was just for me, you know, and then this one, it's not even really a rule, but it's you guys are fucking not making love. If her and I want to end it at any point we can, no name calling, no humiliation, no cuddling when you're done, when you're done, it's time to leave. That's it. Those are our rules. There was no, I didn't hear no kissing, right? Yeah. So before we ever did this, that was part of mine was no kissing. But she, she talked me out of that pretty quick. She said, babe, I've got a kiss like it. It's just a kiss. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're right. She's like, he's going to be fucking me. Like just let him kiss me. I'm like, yeah, I get it. That makes sense. So, so yeah. So, yeah, so we, I actually had a guy planned for this night. And then because we've had so many flakes, Kathy, I have three backups planned, three guys that I had met, that I'd talked to for a few days that I told them like, Hey, you are my backup. Can you be available? And every single one of them said yes. Oh my God. Now, how many guys did you have like available at that point? Did they all decide to show up? No, none of them fucking showed up. Oh, you fucking I can't believe it. The main guy that we had planned it with ghosted us. Oh my God. That day I'm reaching out to those other three backups, never heard a single word back from any of them. Wow. And we were, we were pretty pissed. We actually almost didn't even go. We were like, fuck the hotel. Like we're done. But she was like, let's just go and have a good time ourselves. So maybe we go to a club. She said, maybe we go to a club and just pick up a guy. I'm like, well, that's not really our thing. We're pretty introverted people. Not her anymore. She, her life has changed. Exactly. Like, I don't like being around big, big crowds anymore. Now I don't have to. Yeah. Yeah. So we decided to go and then I just post on Reddit. She says, just post on Reddit, come fuck my wife with me. So that's what I did. Come fuck my wife with me, put in some criteria. You got to be like 25 to 40. You need to have a big white cock and have a clean, recent test. And we're getting hit up with tons of messages. I'm responding to all these guys saying, you know, send me pictures and we'll make sure that she's going to be attracted to you. Finally, we get this guy and his Reddit name had been what big white cock in it. So I'm like, all right, dope. And we connect with him. He was great. And so I'm like, bro, come on over. Right. And so he comes over, I meet him down in the lobby. And this dude was six five, which is really cool because I'm five eight. And I knew that she would like that just because he's big. Yeah. So I shook his hand. We go to the elevator. I go over the rules with him, you know, just one more time, let him know everything. I told him, I tell them like, I'm, I don't plan on coming while you're there. Just so you know, because I don't want to get post nut clarity. Right. Yeah. I don't. So I'm not coming while you're there. We don't want you here for more than an hour. Like she's a, she likes to be in bed. She doesn't like to fuck for very long. She gets sore fast and he's like, no, no problem. That's all good. So we go up to the room and I open the door. My wife's face lit up, which was awesome. So she came over and she hugs him and she actually thanks him for coming, which was cool. She's like, dude, thank you for actually showing up. So many of these guys like are just flakes. Yeah. So we almost choreographed this. Like I said, we're planners, right? And we didn't want it to be weird. And so we almost choreographed this. We did what we choreographed. Like I walk over to her. I say, are you ready? She said, yeah. So we just start kissing and making out. And he comes over, starts rubbing her. She starts kissing him. And then she undoes my pants, undoes his pants. She says, sit down. And so we both sit on the bed and she just goes to town sucking my dick. And then goes to town sucking his dick and just going back and forth, back and forth. And it was so fucking hot. It was so hot. I didn't have any problems getting hard that time. Okay. Oh, that's good. That's interesting. Because who knew, right? I mean, look what happened last time. You probably didn't know how you were going to respond. Exactly. Exactly. But this is the funny part. She was sucking his dick. Well, she's awesome at that sucking anyways, but she was sucking his dick for probably 45 seconds straight. And he goes, Oh no, I'm going to come. And we're like, fuck, dude. And so he gets up, goes to the bathroom, comes, which I was like, dude, just freaking come here, goes to the bathroom, comes and me and her sitting there kind of chuckling. And so me and her, we just start fucking and he comes out of the bathroom and she's like, all right, you ready? And he's like, I need a couple of minutes. So we keep fucking. And then finally, she's like trying to get him hard again. It took her probably 15 minutes to get him hard again, which is a little frustrating. But he ends up doing it and they end up fucking and we fucking a ton of different positions. We take turns. She's sucking me. He's fucking her. We switch. I think the hottest part for me was when he like picked her up because he's so tall. He like picked her up and was like fucking her while he was holding her in the air, which I thought was super cool. And she loved it. So then we're, we're spit roasting her. I'm laying on the bed and she's sucking me. And he's fucking her from behind. And all of a sudden he goes, Oh my God, I'm going to come. And I thought he was about to come in her because he just kept going. So I said, bro, I said, bro, don't come in her. And then my wife, my wife says the hottest thing. She goes, she goes, put it in my mouth. I want to swallow it. And she turns around and gets on her knees. And I don't know if you remember, but my heart sunk because that was one of our rules, right? Was no coming in the mouth, right? Oh, I thought it was just the face and the whatever, but oh, in the mouth too. Okay. Yeah. In the mouth. That was one of our rules, no coming in the mouth and, uh, which it's not a rule anymore. So when it happens, my heart sinks for just a second. I'm like, Holy shit, she's broke a rule. And then I went, Oh shit, that's hot. Well, this is awesome. So she ends up swallowing him and he was great. He, he got dressed and he left, you know, when she gave him a hug, he got dressed and he left. And I was the, a couple of things that bum, bum me out was, you know, he had big white cock in his name, but I think guys think they're bigger than what they are. I don't know what guy would overstate his size because then when you show up, aren't you like embarrassed that you're not, I don't get it. Exactly. So I'm, I'm seven and a half inches. I don't know if it's body dysmorphia or whatever, but like, I think I have the small as dick in the world. But this guy, he was maybe rocking six and a half inches. But are you positive? That's all he was. Like you think maybe it was cause he was like double, like, you know, he's very tall that maybe it just looks smaller. No, no, he was smaller than me. So that, but anyways, overall it was an amazing night. We had an amazing time. He left. We fucked for a little bit longer and honestly, we're such homebodies. We actually, I like one in the morning went home. We just like, we like being home. So we went home. Yeah. Fucked some more the next day. Our sex life has been crazy since then. I didn't feel any jealousy. Yeah, interesting. Yeah. Because you don't know, right? You don't know how you're going to feel. Yeah. We talked about, you know, her breaking the rule and I wasn't upset with her. I just brought it up and she started crying. So I'm sorry. I was like, babe, it's okay. I understand. You've got lost in the moment. Like I'm not upset about it. It's actually no longer a rule. We're taking it off. Interesting. So she was cool with that. But yeah, so now we're- Any regrets for her or she's like living her whole new life, right? Like she was fine with everything, correct? Yeah. She loved it. She loved it. Yeah. And she's brought it up a few times. Like we've talked about it. You know, the two weeks after we talked about it almost every day. It was funny after church the very next Sunday we got home and I said, did you think about it all today? And she goes, it's all I could think about during the sermon. I was like, me too. Me too, babe. Yeah. But yes, it was a great first experience for what it was. Like we had an awesome time and we actually have a date playing this next Friday night coming up with another guy. So that'll be our second time. Because that just happened, right? Like the- That happened in January. Okay. So that was recent. Let me ask you this because here you were like this pastor and this grew up in this very religious household and all this stuff put on you. And you're still religious, right? Like you still go to church. You said you're in service thinking about it and stuff. Like how do you reconcile the two? You know what I mean? Because some people would be like, oh, how could you be religious and do that and blah, blah, blah. You know, like in I listen, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I am right there with you, but I'm just saying like to explain to people how you can reconcile being extremely religious and totally into God and Jesus and all that kind of stuff yet also do this too. Yeah. So the way I reconcile my brain is I know that my Bible says that the marriage bed is undefiled. And to me, what that means is I can do whatever the heck I want in my marriage bed. Okay. So that's essentially how I've gotten over it. That's your interpretation. Yeah. Like it doesn't matter. We can do whatever we want. We're married. It's not a system. Like who cares? Right. You know, we love each other. We're not cheating on each other. Like we're in this together and we love Jesus. Like that's it. Who cares? I love that. Because I love that you're able to, you know, it's not like you had to like denounce your religion or give it up or anything just because you felt like you had to do this. You know what I mean? You can be both and they can exist at the same time. You know, and I love that. Exactly. Exactly. I would guarantee there's plenty of people in the church that do this that just don't want to admit it. For sure. You know, but I love that you guys don't have the shame or anything around it. You know what I mean? I don't know how they feel, you know, but I feel like sometimes, you know, if you're that religious, there could be a lot of that shame put on you and you're still, maybe you're doing it, but don't feel right about it or feel very conflicted, you know, but you guys don't. Yeah. And I mean, we're not being very open about it. Like no one knows this. Listen, I say this all the time and it's fucking true. Okay. Vanilla people aren't open at the church about what they're doing. Nobody's walking around after the sermon's over saying, Hey, we did it doggy style last night. How did you do it? Like there's no, your sex, everyone's sex life is nobody's fucking business regardless of whether you're having threesomes or you're just having vanilla sex, right? Like no one's, no one's telling you what they're doing. So why should you tell them what you're doing? You know what I mean? Of course you're not. Everybody wants to know. I mean, you're doing it on my show because it's like interesting and it's a story, you know what I mean? But you're not, no one's going around talking about that shit anyway. So of course you're not. So don't worry about it. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't mean anything. You know what I mean? That doesn't mean you're shameful about it or whatever. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that's what your story. Yeah. I know. Thank you. We've got a couple of safeguards like no one that we know, no one in our city. Yeah, smart. Yeah, of course. You got to be smart about it. Yeah. Because listen, you have kids, you are in, you know, you have to be realistic and know that, you know, we're still in a society that really has a fucking problem. Like I'm always like blown away because, you know, I can have a lot of issues having a sex podcast and just mentioning sex on anything on certain platforms and stuff. But yet you see like this horrendous stuff out there, like people bullying and people like giving people death threats and putting people down and just the most vile shit that goes down online yet. Sex is so terrible. You know what I mean? Especially consensual between two merry people like you said, you know what I mean? Like, why is it so, why is it such a double standard? Yeah, it's such this terrible thing. It's just like it's actually a great, healthy, happy thing. You're married, you're in love, like you said. You don't feel bad about it at all. So I love your whole story. I think it's so fucking great. I could have like talked to you for hours about different parts of your story, like your whole, the whole car crash and then what happened to your mom. Oh my God. And then your whole religious upbringing and then you leaving the ministry. Like it was just really like a good book. I love a good story. It's a pretty wild story. Yeah, really? I was extremely nervous to call and talk to you about it. Oh really? How come? It's just a lot. It's a lot to say out loud. Yeah, yeah. But you did a good job. I mean, do you feel nervous now? Like it wasn't as bad as you thought, right? Nothing to be nervous about. No, you're a great host. You do a great job. Yeah. And as long as you're not lying, there's nothing to be nervous about. You know, it's the people that are calling that lie. They're the ones that should be fucking nervous because I'm like Judge Judy. Right, exactly. And my wife knows that I'm on here. Awesome. I called her right before she said, good luck. Oh, that's so cute. Well, listen, you're going to get, you know, free access, not free. My discord's free, but you're going to get like the private link to my private discord when you hang up. You could go there and talk to people. You could post pics if your wife wants to send in a pic of herself for my Patreon. You'll get free access to my Patreon for a month two to see the comments for Patreon. I always say if you're going to send me a pic because your wife knows that's cool. I don't take pics of people that they don't know. Like just make it R rated. It could be, you know, it could be a hot pic. It could be a regular pic, you know, whatever, but nothing X rated, but you could do whatever you want over on discord. Wait, she see my fucking discord. It's crazy in there. Everyone does whatever they want in there. That's, you know, you could post stuff in there or you could just like look around or you cannot even go in there, you know, but you'll get that link when we hang up. But if you're going to send me a pic, send me a pic sooner than later. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not headed home right now. I'll ask her for one incident to your right. Awesome. All right. Awesome. This was so interesting. I'm so glad you called in and love your whole story. Okay. Thanks, John. Thanks for calling in. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book it's called strictly anonymous confession, secret sex lies of total strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre order the audio book. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format, and finally the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. 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But these are true stories. 17 of them, they're really short chapters, easy read. You could read one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. It's a strictly anonymous podcast.