Jared Kushner emerges as focus of intel whistleblower complaint about Gabbard

As President Trump continues implementing his ambitious agenda, follow along with the MSNOW newsletter, Project 47. You'll get weekly updates sent straight to your inbox with expert analysis on the administration's latest actions and how they're affecting the American people. The American people are basically telling the president that they are not okay with any of this. Sign up for the Project 47 newsletter at ms.now slash project 47. We've got a big, huge show for you tonight. I just mentioned a couple of our guests. And I mean, some of these people are people who I really think you're going to want to hear from, because this is one of the big issues happening in this country. And it is so telling for so many reasons. I mean, the Trump administration just announced that the surge of their immigration operations in Minnesota is concluding. And let us all be hopeful. We should all be hopeful. But I'm going to believe that when I see that. And there are a lot of questions to be asked about what still needs to happen. And we're going to talk about what that announcement does and doesn't mean for the situation on the ground there, what's actually happening, and what comes next in the fight to hold Donald Trump's complete goons accountable for what they did there. Because that's part of it, too. Minnesota Senator and now candidate for governor Amy Klobuchar is going to join me here at the table in just a moment. And Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, fresh off of a very heated hearing on Capitol Hill, is going to join me here as well. But before we get to all of that, again, I told you there's a lot going on today. We're going to talk about all of it. I just want to take a very quick step back and take stock of how absolutely terrible things are going for Donald Trump and his administration right now. I mean, today Trump was tucked away, cozied up in the White House, bumbling through a nonsensical answer, and yet another one of his buddies' associations with Jeffrey Epstein. Mr. President, were you aware that Secretary of Commerce visited Epstein's island? Do you continue to have to? No, I wasn't aware of it. No, I didn't. I actually haven't spoken to him about it. I wasn't. But from what I hear, he was there with his wife and children. And I guess in some cases, some people were. I wasn't. I was never there. Somebody will someday say that. I was never there. Okay. First of all, I love the way he starts his answer by saying, I wasn't aware of it, which is not believable, but okay. Maybe that's his approach. I wasn't aware of it. And then in the next breath makes it clear that he is, in fact, very, very aware of it. And the fact that he is so quick to assert that he has never been on the island himself, it kind of feels like he's throwing his Commerce Secretary under the bus there. I mean, was that Donald Trump, the former best friend of Jeffrey Epstein, admitting out loud how bad it looks to have visited the island? Because it sure sounded like that to me. And Commerce Secretary Howard Ludnick is hardly the only senior member of the administration taking heat for his association with Epstein. I mean, we all just learned that yet another member of Trump's administration is in the Epstein files. Trump's administrator of Medicare and Medicaid, Dr. Mehmet Oz, appears to have invited Jeffrey Epstein to a Valentine's Day party in 2016. Now, he hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing, but that invitation came long after Epstein first pleaded guilty to soliciting sex with underage girls. Long after. Who wouldn't want that creepy man at their party celebrating love? I mean, Dr. Oz wanted him there, apparently. So there's that. The number of people in Trump's orbit who associated with Epstein really does seem to grow by the day. There's a new story every day. And that is to say nothing of the thousands of times Trump himself is mentioned in the files. But guess what? Things are not going much better for the members of the cabinet who may have been breathing a sigh of relief because they are not in the Epstein files. I mean, this was the scene outside a border patrol facility in Otay, Mesa, California today, where DHS Secretary Kristi Noem was making an appearance to tout Trump's border policies. Protesters who had gathered outside the facility, you can see them there, you can hear them there, were chanting shame, that's what they're saying right now, so loudly that police vehicles appeared to be blaring their sirens just to drown out the noise, again, of people screaming shame. All of which led to a scene inside the facility where Kristi Noem basically struggled even to hear the question she was being asked. It was so chaotic, this whole scene. I'm going to show it to you. It almost felt like a spoof of a Kristi Noem press conference. Okay, good. Good afternoon, everybody. I think you're asking about detention facilities and the standards in it. Are you talking about our funding bill? I heard you ask about Operation Metro Surge and CBP and ICE. And what was the 287G? I'm sorry. What was that? I couldn't hear you over the sounds of outrage and alarm that follow me everywhere I go. So I'm sorry if I didn't, as articulately as usual, spew my venom towards immigrants because I couldn't hear you over the sirens and the screaming of shame. Now, that gnome scene comes just one day after Trump's attorney general spent five hours, and we talked a lot about this last night, embarrassing herself before Congress, shouting like an unhinged mean girl at lawmakers and evading questions, pretty much all of them, about her handling of the Epstein files. At one point, she even tried to deflect a question about why she hadn't charged any of Epstein's associates by saying that this was all a distraction from the Dow breaking 50,000 points. And yes, it was as awkward as it sounds. And that was our moment in the hearing yesterday. Wasn't wasn't just a forgotten blip. I mean, we talked about it, but wasn't forgotten. I mean, that performance has led to a chorus of outrage from MAGA supporters with multiple pro-Trump voices even calling on on her, Pam Bondi, to resign. And by the way, today the market dropped 600 points, bringing the Dow back below 50,000. So there's that awkwardness, too. Look, the Trump administration is not having a good time right now. That's one way of putting it. It's not just protesters and MAGA podcasters who are rejecting their agenda. Yesterday, the Republican-controlled Congress failed to stop a bill to end some of Trump's disastrous tariffs from reaching the House floor. The bill passed with six Republicans joining nearly all Democrats in a humiliating blow to Trump's signature economic proposal. It's not just that. It's not even just Congress where he controls Congress. The Republicans do. His agenda is also losing in the courts over and over and over again. I mean, this week, a federal grand jury rejected the Trump administration's attempt to indict six Democratic lawmakers for participating in a video to remind service members that they shouldn't follow unlawful orders. And just today, federal judge blocked Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth from trying to punish Senator Mark Kelly because he's still at it, Pete Hegseth, for participating in that same video. In a scathing opinion, the judge said, quote, There you go. Those are just a few. I could go on. Of many court losses, the Trump administration has suffered recently, including several that have come down in just the last few hours. I mean, earlier today, a federal judge ended the Trump administration's deportation case against the father of three U.S. Marines who was detained while landscaping outside an IHOP in Southern California last summer. In another decision today, a federal judge ordered the administration to facilitate the return of 137 men who were deported at the beginning of Trump's term after this administration labeled them gang members. Then the administration faced another setback in the case of two men accused of attacking ICE agents with a shovel, one of whom was shot by ICE during the incident. Well, tonight, the Trump administration was forced to drop all criminal charges against those men. They were forced to admit in a court filing that, quote, newly discovered evidence in this matter is materially inconsistent with the allegations they had made. You don't say. And just before we came on air, a Trump-appointed judge issued a particularly stinging order mandating that ICE give all of the detainees in Minneapolis access to a private lawyer. She wrote, quote, It appears that in planning for the crackdown in Minneapolis, the government failed to plan for the constitutional rights of its civil detainees. The government suggests with minimal explanation and even less evidence that doing so would result in chaos. The Constitution does not permit the government to arrest thousands of individuals and then disregard their constitutional rights because it would be too challenging to honor those rights. Yeah. I mean, they just also, by the way, all of that, they just kept losing. They keep losing in court. The entire cabinet is a dumpster fire. And they cannot shake the lingering stink of the Epstein files. They're weak right now, and they know it. And all of that brings me to what is arguably the Trump administration's biggest loss of all this week. because today Donald Trump supporters are Tom Homan announced that the administration will end its immigration enforcement surge in Minneapolis. Now, to be clear, and I said this at the beginning of the show, and that's how I feel, but most importantly is how people in Minneapolis feel. Both residents and public officials in Minneapolis are appropriately taking out will-believe-it-when-we-see-it approach to this announcement. And Homan is claiming that a small footprint of officers will still remain in the area for an unspecified period of time. So that could mean a lot of things, especially from someone who played a leading role in the family separation policy who works for an administration that lies with abandon. It could mean a lot of things. But the fact that the administration felt the need to make this announcement at all is a sign that they know they are losing on this issue and are desperate for some kind of an exit strategy. And you can tell how desperate they are by listening to the way Tom Homan tried to claim some sort of victory and success today. This surge operation and our work here with state and local officials to improve coordination and achieve mutual goals, as well as our efforts to address issues of concern here on the ground, have yielded the successful results we have came here for. According to Tom Holman, it was all a success, this whole nightmare we've been watching unfold. Their work with state and local officials achieved our mutual goals We wanted to come into Minneapolis terrorize people in their communities arrest and even kill American citizens And we succeeded at that Good on you Tom Homan and the Trump administration. Now, not one of those state and local officials who have been dealing with this situation agrees with Tom Homan that there have been successful efforts to achieve mutual goals or address issues of concern. There's no kumbaya moment between local officials and ICE. In fact, in the wake of this news, those local officials made it clear this fight is not over and ICE still has a lot to answer for in Minnesota. The fact of the matter is they left us with deep damage, generational trauma. They left us with economic ruin in some cases. They left us with many unanswered questions. Where are our children? Where and what is the process of the investigations into those that were responsible for the deaths of Renee and Alex. You don't get to break things and then just leave without doing something about it. Nationwide, they were looking to implement a national agenda based on coercing us to change local policy. And here's the thing, we didn't. The people of Minneapolis stood up. They stood up for their neighbors. They loved on each other. And I think that's the kind of patriotism that is ultimately going to get us through this. Now, what's clear is that this potential retreat, and let's hope it is, is the result of sustained and relentless pressure from the people of Minnesota. They're winning this battle. The Trump administration is losing. And Tom Holman and Stephen Miller and Donald Trump may want us all to move on to other things, to stop questioning, to stop pushing, to stop advocating. Because if everyone does that, then they can proceed without accountability. It's going to take that same sustained and relentless pressure to ensure that Minneapolis gets the justice it deserves. And joining me now is someone who is very committed to that. I know from seeing her talk about this many times, Senator Amy Klobuchar, who recently announced that she's running for governor of Minnesota. It's great to see you. I have not seen you since you announced you're running. So there you are. Okay, so- Time like no other. Time like no other, really. You know, and I hate to be a skeptic, but it's important to be a skeptic. That's what we do here. And the Trump administration is saying it's ending their large-scale immigration operation in Minnesota. That's obviously a victory, even that they're saying that. But you and other leaders in the state have emphasized that it's not over and a lot needs to happen. So what is the next first step you think needs to happen here? So today it is a deep breath. Director Holman has told this to me and the mayor and the governor say 10 days ago that there was going to be this drawdown. And we hope that he's true to his word and we're going to hold him to it. But for us, this was about the people in Minnesota standing up, staring them down like I don't think anyone ever had seen before. And basically, this was a moment where they said, that's it. And however, we know a few things still have to happen. Accountability for the deaths of Alex Preddy and for Renee Good. Renee Good's last words, I don't hate you, man. And the last words of Alex Preddy as he's talking to a woman who'd been shoved down saying, are you OK? Innocent American citizens. Then you have all the people who were thrown out of their homes or doors rammed through like the Hmong elder, dragged in his underwear into a car, driven around for an hour only to have them realize we got the wrong guy. This guy's fine. And the guy that we're trying to get has been in prison for years. little kids, the five-year-old Liam with his bunny hat, two-year-old, so many families affected, racial profiling with so many people that literally couldn't believe it happened. But we are going to get through this. But the country has to get through this. And to me, that means looking at a budget as values, $75 billion for an agency. What did they use that money for? Dragging little Liam out and sending him to Texas and bringing him back. $75 billion to surround schools and scare kids. But that's what the Republicans put in that big, beautiful betrayal of a bill. So there's funding issues. Put that money, $75 billion, Jen, could pay for the health care premiums for three years on the Affordable Care Act for all of America for the tax credits, $75 billion that could be used for local law enforcement and housing and the like. So that's one thing. The other is, of course, major reforms that we need to be seen done to this agency. And I want to dig into all of that. Let me ask you just about the timing of this announcement. You said you knew several days ago. He talked to me. He talked to you. But there's a deadline tomorrow. I mean, of course, it didn't pass the Senate today, but there's a deadline tomorrow night. There's a theory out there that Tom Holman made this announcement to try to convince some people, some Democrats, to agree to a deal. What do you think about that? Has it worked with anyone? I literally raised to him on the phone and people at the White House over the last few weeks, our people are not going to be bargaining chips, OK? We need ice out to even begin having this discussion. And in fact, he did say 10 days ago that it would be about two weeks, they did draw down some of the border control agents. And then he said the next group would be ICE. And he said in two different drawdowns. I was actually concerned that it hadn't been announced earlier what he had told me over the phone. But now it is announced. And for us, by the way, people keep asking me, what can we do to help? We love Minnesota. What can we do to help? And we don't need any more cards or Valentine's cards. We actually hope people come to our beautiful state. Stay in those hotel rooms when the ICE agents are out. Go to see the First Avenue where Prince got his start or the Mall of America or beautiful Lake Superior bike when it gets warmer on our bike paths. That's what we want. We want people to come to our state and spend money and invest in our state because our economy has taken a hit. This has been $18 million a week spent on all it was. And I'm sure that when the numbers are going to be shown here, we know the vast majority of the people arrested were not the worst of the worst. They were not violent offenders. If that was their purpose, do it. If their purpose was to investigate fraud, do it. But instead, what they did was they came here and terrorized our citizens. Let's talk about ICE for a second and kind of what an acceptable presence would be. As I understand, and you can correct me on the numbers here, I think the current governor said that before they came in, before they surged, it was about 100 ICE officials on the ground. That's correct. Or 100, 150, about 150. And that Tom Homan has said it would go back to about 100, 150. He called it the original footprint. Is that number acceptable? And what other restrictions—I know there are some being negotiated here, but you're also running for governor—what other restrictions on ICE operations and how they work in the state of Minnesota would you like to see? Well, we always know there's going to be some immigration enforcement, but they have to follow as we are working to get in their rules here, police rules of conduct. And I know what Chief O'Hara, I just saw him on Sunday, Minneapolis Police Chief O'Hara and so many of our other police chiefs across the state are saying, you've got to coordinate with us. If you want to bust up some major drug ring and work with us on something, as they have in the past, fine. But if you're just here running about in your cars, terrorizing our citizens and breaking through their windows and dragging out people with disabilities out of their cars and sending them to a detention center? No. So we are going to be vigorously holding Tom Homan and this administration to their promise, but then also demanding that they work, if they do have a presence and is supposed to be the original footprint they had, that they are working with our law enforcement because our law enforcement still has the trust of the people of Minnesota, not ICE, but our local law enforcement. OK, there's many more questions to ask about. One of the many hats you wear is also that you're on the Commerce Committee. Yes. I don't know if you've heard, but the Commerce Secretary has been in a little bit of hot water. Yes, I've been hearing this. We've got to take a quick break. Went on an excursion. Went on an excursion to an island. We've got to take a quick break. I want to talk to you about that, too. OK, great. Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota is back with me. As promised, you wear a thousand hats. I don't know when you sleep. I don't know if you noticed that there was a crazy cuckoo hearing yesterday. There were a couple of crazy hearings yesterday. Remember, we had a similar one with the attorney general in the Senate. Yes, there you go. Crazy years. And I want to ask you about that. But before the break, I mentioned Howard Ludnick. You're on the Commerce Committee. He had to admit under oath earlier this week that he had, in fact, kept up his relationship with Jeffrey. I've seen enough that he went to the island with his children. There are a number of your colleagues, Senator Jackie Rosen, Adam Schiff, others calling for him to resign. Where do you stand on it? You know, I well, I didn't vote for him in the first place. Is it time? But I just all of these people that seem to have just gotten amnesia and they don't remember that they were cavorting on an island. I would remember when I went to an island on a private plane. Yeah. Hasn't really happened. So I would remember this. And they just don't seem to remember this in the past. And, in fact, the fact that they haven't been honest about it, that they've been hiding it, and the fact that we still don't really, when the victims were there at that hearing, trying to get justice. And now we're finding out, as members of Congress, to go over there and see the unredacted versions of these documents. We are literally, I guess, going to be under surveillance as they looked at Congresswoman Jayapal's—her search of what she did when she looked at the documents. instead of putting them in some kind of classified setting over at the Congress, of which we have many, we are asked to go over there and look at these things with them watching us. They've done a lot of this, by the way. They did this with some of the Venezuela documents as well. Someone sat there reading their book while we were looking at them watching over us. And I just think that the victims deserve justice here and they have been hiding these And you seen from what happened with Pam Bondi at this hearing that there was pushback at her from both the right and the left But she was an equal opportunity aggressor against all her questioners, whether they be Republicans like Representative Massey or whether they be Democrats. But it is an unbelievable lack of respect when people are simply trying to ask you with dozens of victims sitting in a hearing room, and then you decide to use your moment not to reach out to them and not to talk about how you're going to help them and give them justice. And instead, you just start yelling insults at members of Congress, which she is very good at. It is. It's just an affront to the law. And I'm not even a lawyer. And you have been. I mean, you know so many of the levers that can be used here. I mean, you're the former Hennepin County attorney. You're a sitting senator. You're running for governor. And this question of sort of how can justice be served for Alex Preddy's family, for Renee Good's family, what are the levers here that can still be pulled? Well, there is one big lever, and that is that we have three equal branches of government, and that is the court. So going into a year of Donald Trump, we looked at the numbers, and 75 percent of the court cases against the Trump administration have been won. People don't know that because they don't usually appeal them. They tend to pay out the grants when the court comes in. And you have here, and you'll hear from Attorney General Ellison about this, who has been taking the lead and making sure that there's accountability in these two cases, they still don't have all the information. Our very professional Bureau of Criminal Apprehension for the state of Minnesota doesn't have all the information that they need. So those investigations are ongoing with the attorney general and the county attorney in one case and the other, coordinating with the federal government and the FBI. Both cases have to be thoroughly investigated. There must be transparency and there must be justice for these families. That is a perfect tee up, Senator Amy Klobuchar, because that's literally who we're speaking to next. I just, maybe I saw it at the bottom of your screen. I just, a little tip. It's a perfect tip, because there's lots of questions to ask him. Thank you so much for being here, as always. We're going to sneak in a quick break, but coming up next, the Trump administration does not seem, well, very interested in getting to the truth on the issues we were just talking about. In these two cases, they're stonewalling you? That's yes. That's pretty clear. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison delivered some stunning testimony, powerful testimony on Capitol Hill today, and he joins me next. Start your day with the MS Now daily newsletter. Sharp insights from voices you trust, standout moments from your favorite shows, and fresh perspectives from experts shaping the news. Sign up at MS.Now. One of the big outstanding questions about the chaos and deadly force the Trump administration brought to Minnesota is whether there will ever be accountability for what they did there. I was just speaking with Senator Klobuchar about this. I mean, earlier today, the Senate Homeland Security Committee held a hearing on the administration's operation in Minnesota. And among the witnesses was Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison. And today in that hearing, Attorney General Ellison revealed that the Trump administration is still stonewalling the investigations into the killings of Renee Good and Alex Preddy. Can you describe the coordination between DHS or DOJ with the state and local officials into the investigations of the tragic shootings of Renee Good and Alex Preddy? We're hoping that we can gain cooperation, perhaps in the pretty matter. But we've been advised that the good matter is that feds are not investigating it. And we still haven't received any access to the evidence that is involved in that case. In these two cases, they're stonewalling you? That's yes. Joining me now is Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison. I was so looking forward to talking to you because I think we can't get we have to be clear eyed about the Tom Homan announcement today and see what happens. But also there's so much that still needs to happen. And you're such an important player in all of that. And you say you said today, I just played it, that the Trump administration has been stonewalling your state's investigation into these two killings. You gave some of the details there. But tell us, everybody watching right now, what are you asking for that they are continuing to refuse to provide? Give us all the details on that. Well, we're asking for what we've been used to for years and years and years. State and federal cooperation in Minnesota is not an unusual thing. It's generally how we do business all the time. And when there's a homicide, particularly an officer-involved one, it's routine for state and federal investigations to run parallel, for there to be information sharing, things like that. In the Renee Good matter, we still don't have access to things like shell casings, the car, the gun, and any statements that may have been acquired or anything like that. Now, we are doing a parallel investigation, but it's separate. And it's based on video we've been able to get from people who've shared it and things like that. Things are moving. I want the public to know that. But still, there is critical information the federal government has in its possession, as it has already said that it has closed any kind of civil rights use of force investigation into the death of Renee Good. You seem to say, Alex, pretty they've been more cooperative. I know there's been reporting on that as well a little bit. Or how would you describe that? I don't want to overstate it for you. They have said that they're considering doing a joint investigation. Okay. Up until now, they have said, no, you can't have access to the information. And so going forward, we hope that we can gain some cooperation. Let me be clear. I don't think it's the local authorities who are saying this. I think this is a call from Washington, right? maybe the highest authority in the land. And so, you know, we still work with local partners. We respect and appreciate them. And we're hoping we can get back to business as usual. So you think, I mean, that's what I would think, that local authorities are so used to cooperating. There has to be someone from somewhere who's telling them not to when it would be traditional to. Where does your head go on that? You think it's Pam Bondi? You think it's in the White House? Where do you think it's being stopped? You know, I hate to speculate, but I can tell you that the moment we heard terms like domestic terrorists to describe both Renee Good and Alex Preddy, you know, we kind of knew that we weren't dealing with a independent, fair investigation from the very beginning. I mean, they'd already the highest leadership and already come to a conclusion as to what happened there. But I know that the men and women of the FBI in Minnesota, hardworking, serious people who want to do the right thing. It sounds like there are some members of Congress who should be hauling some of these people in and asking them some of these questions. If you're watching out there, there's lots of questions to be asked. I wanted to ask you about something else. There was this incredible reporting you may have seen. You had a busy day today from the Minnesota Star Tribune. But I know you're aware of all of this. We talked about how the mass resignations at the Minnesota U.S. Attorney's Office and a soaring immigration caseload, the office has been forced to dismiss cases. And those dismissals also exclusively involve defendants charged with major drug crimes. It's a really unbelievable story. We'll share it for people who haven't seen it. You're living this. But tell people, tell all of us more about the impact of all of this. You know, it is incredible. They told us they came here to get rid of the worst of the worst. And yet they have increased crime. Two out of the three homicides this year have been by federal ICE agents. Our local assistant U.S. attorneys have fired in waves of people, eliminating large, many years of anti-fraud investigation and prosecution expertise. They have made our state less safe from financial exploitation and from basic safety because of the behavior of this administration. And I'm so glad that we're now hearing noises about this drawdown. That is a good thing. It can't happen fast enough for me. Unfortunately, it, you know, Renee Good and Alex Preddy and their families, it happened too late for them. But, yeah, the challenges has been from a criminal justice standpoint, public safety. They have told us that this had to do with, you know, immigration policy. Yeah, we're the 28th state when it comes to immigration and undocumented immigrants. Every offer of every claim they make as to why they're here has been rebutted and refuted with the direct evidence. So I think it is about time that they go. Let's hope. We'll be watching. We'll be still talking about it. Attorney General Keith Ellison, thank you. Thank you for being here. You've had a long day. Okay. Of all the crazy headlines, and there are a lot we saw today, this one might just be the craziest. Here it is. Gabbard whistleblower complaint based on intercepted conversation about Jared Kushner. And let's just say I have a lot of questions. I'm sure you do too. Andrew Bacay is the attorney for the whistleblower at the center of the story, and he joins me next. Start your day with the MS Now daily newsletter. Sharp insights from voices you trust, standout moments from your favorite shows, and fresh perspectives from experts shaping the news. Sign up at MS.Now. For more than a week now we have been following the story of an anonymous whistleblower from the intelligence community who alleges that Trump director of national intelligence Chelsea Gabbard spiked a former whistleblower report they filed last year A whistleblower report about someone close to Donald Trump OK, so that's what we knew. That's already kind of edgy. I've been obsessed with the story. And then today we learned that that person close to Donald Trump is none other than Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. As The Wall Street Journal described it today, the report centers around a conversation between two foreign nationals last year discussing Jared Kushner and reportedly Iran. Beyond that, we have no idea what the content of that conversation was. Though a senior U.S. official tells MSNOW that the discussion about Kushner was just, quote, salacious gossip. Okay, we'll see when we learn more. But the whistleblower alleges that Gabbard limited the sharing of that content for political purposes, an allegation Gabbard fiercely denies, and which her spokeswoman claims is baseless and politically motivated. Okay. Now, the whistleblower also alleges that the NSA's general counsel's office failed to report a, quote, potential crime to the Justice Department that was raised by the content of the conversation. I mean, those are some freaking serious allegations, just to state it. We don't know what's in there, but those are serious allegations. But I just want to zoom out for a second because part of what is amazing about this story is the idea that there could still be another shoe left to drop. When it comes to our understanding of Jared Kushner and his role in U.S. diplomacy. I mean, let's just take stock in what we already know just from public reporting. Just days after leaving the White House, Kushner started a brand new venture capital firm, and despite having no experience at all, somehow managed to get a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. In the three years after that investment, Kushner's firm got paid at least $112 million in fees from investors, while not giving those investors any profits in return. But somehow, even after that track record was made public, in 2024, Kushner's firm managed to score another $1.5 billion investment from funds tied to the governments of the UAE and Qatar. Now, Kushner's firm, Affinity Partners, says that everything is on the up and up and by the book. Of course, that's what they say. But even Kushner himself does not shy away from saying what makes his firm such a unique and attractive investment. What would you say the biggest differentiator is for Affinity compared to other growth funds? We're able to do things on the geopolitical side, on the connection side, on the problem-solving side that I think that they found very valuable as well. On the connection side. There's lots in there. Now, while Kushner's firm is raking in all of that cash, multiple billions of dollars from Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds alone, Kushner is also simultaneously serving as a quote-unquote volunteer for the Trump administration, as an off-the-books foreign diplomat of sorts. Nothing shady about that at all. I mean, he's negotiated ceasefires in Gaza. He's met with Putin to discuss Ukraine. Here he was just last week trying to negotiate a new nuclear deal with Iran. Given how much money Kushner is receiving from countries with a lot at stake in those negotiations, that feels like quite a conflict of interest. And all of that is already public knowledge. That's all public. So given all of that, what could possibly be in this whistleblower report that could make all of that look any worse? And how can that whistleblower make what they know public? I have the perfect person to ask. Joining me now is Andrew Bakai, the chief legal counsel at Whistleblower Aid, and the attorney for the whistleblower at the heart of this story. First of all, you are doing such incredible work right now. We wouldn't know so much of what we know about this government without whistleblowers. So thank you for that. Thank you. And it's not just me. It's my team at whistlebloweraid.org. Absolutely. Okay, so let me start with this. Tulsi Gabbard has defended her decision to not share your client's report with Congress by saying that her office's inspector general deemed the content of the report not to be credible. That's her argument. That's what others have echoed. What do you make of that defense? First of all, that credibility determination has no bearing on our client's right to take this to Congress. By law, one, that disclosure and its contents should be sent to the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. And two, our client should be able to and must be able to, by law, meet with those members. Second, the issue of credibility. It's been kind of bothering me for quite some time because whenever somebody thinks about credibility, They're questioning, you know, is somebody credible? Can you trust this particular individual? In this particular case, what the ICIG or the DNI is looking at is saying, well, because the whistleblower read something in a report or was part of a meeting, and perhaps Palsy Gabbard herself said, well, I didn't do X because she's first person. Her word has taken over somebody else's. In my opinion, that's a questionable way to define or figure out credibility. I've seen Senator Mark Warner. I've talked to him about this. And Jim Himes and others basically say, we can't make any assessment because it's so redacted. That sounds familiar. Why can't your client just give them an unredacted report? So the first thing, just stepping back for a moment, the reason why the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act exists is because members of the intelligence community can't just go to the Hill and go to the intelligence committees and provide them classified information. Why? Well, even though all the staff and senators may have security clearances, they may not be right into the specific issues at hand. And a need to know. And a need to know. So in this particular case, as it's become public, from what I understand, this would involve the Gang of Eight. So had our client done that, that would have been the mishandling of classified information. Our client did everything right from the get-go. Even before retaining me and retaining Alyssa Blower8.org, they went to the IG's office. There's also another thing that the IG mentioned, I think, in his statement from last week, which is that there was a lot of classified information. Maybe this was the general counsel. There was a lot of classified information that was put into the intake form. That's not true. Oh, that's false. That's false. The intake form was only one page. There are subsequent meetings that a whistleblower can have with the IG's office. They're actually providing evidence, going into the details. So the other thing is we actually don't know what the Hill received, what Senator Warner has received. It's heavily redacted. And is it just that cover memo? Because if that's the case and it's not including the supplemental evidence. Let me ask you about the timeline because you just referenced this. And last year, around the same time that your client filed this formal whistleblower report, the Washington Post reported that Tulsi Gabbard had installed someone inside the inspector general's office that reported directly to her, which sounds incredibly shady to me. Just help us understand the timeline of your client's complaint, when they went to the IG's office, and how it relates or could relate, I guess, to Gabbard reshaping her agency's inspector general's office. Oh, absolutely. This raises a lot of questions. So first, the whistleblower first reached out to the Intelligence Committee IG's office back in mid-April of last year. You know, you can pick up the phone, initiate contact and whatnot. And that was in May, April. On May 9th, Dennis Kirk, this person who works for Tulsi Gabbard, she put him into the IG's office. Why? Is it to monitor what's incoming? We don't know. So before, he had already gone to the IG's office, and then she put her person in there after that. No, so the whistleblower, he or she, they contacted the IG's office. Yeah. Tulsa Gabbard reportedly, according to this Washington Post article, put somebody in there. Yeah. And then the complaint, the disclosure by the whistleblower was filed on May 21st. So the timeline is questionable. And then the fact that there is a debate about whether or not the acting inspector general at the time reversed decisions or not. There's just a lot of questions that I have about what did or did not happen here. We don't have much time left. I could talk to you forever. But they also, the New York Times also reported that while Gabbard was restricting your client's report from getting to Congress, she was providing, Colise Gabbard, information, the report to Susie Wiles, which also is out of process here. But why is that hugely problematic? Well, the question is, does Susie Wiles even have the security clearance to see that? One of the things I just want to really hone in on here is that the underlying disclosure was about Tulsi Gabbard blocking intelligence from being distributed within the intelligence community. So I have here my copy of the 9-11 Commission Report. One of the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission Report was to ensure that the intelligence community and law enforcement shares highly sensitive and classified information to try and prevent tragedies from happening. Here, we have the Director of National Intelligence, her office was created because of this, going in and preventing the distribution of that intelligence. And the question is, why is that? Andrew Bukai, I have so many more questions. I hope you come back and keep talking to us as this story develops. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Okay, we have to sneak in a quick break. We've got a significant update on the search for Nancy Guthrie tonight. We're going to bring that to you when we come back. We are following some new developments tonight in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of Today Show co-anchor Savannah Guthrie, who has now been missing for 12 days. After a forensic analysis of the doorbell camera footage they uncovered earlier this week, the FBI describes their suspect as a male about 5'9 to 5'10 inches tall with an average build. They also identify the backpack the suspect is wearing as a black 25-liter Ozark Trail hiker pack model. The FBI has collected over 13,000 tips from the public related to Guthrie's case since she was reported missing on February 1st. And they're now increasing the reward for information leading to Guthrie's return or a suspect's arrest to $100,000. Tips can be submitted at tips.fbi.gov or by calling 1-800-CALL-FBI. Savannah Guthrie also posted footage today of her and her siblings as kids with her mother, adding a note, our lovely mom, we will never give up on her. Thank you for your prayers and hope. 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