1462 - Nick’s Cuck/Hotwife Fantasy Went Very Wrong or Very Right?!

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Sdc.com is like the world's largest online adult dating site. But it's so much more than a dating site. I mean, you can use it to hook up with people instead of threesomes and all the kind of stuff that people do on my show. But you can also use it to find out about meetups and events in your areas as well as learn stuff about the lifestyle. They have so much information on sdc.com. Even if you use my code 37712, you'll get a free trial that's 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. And it'll take you right there and get and set you up with a free trial. So anyway, this episode with Nick is a little crazy. I got very heated almost more so than I ever had. And I'm very curious how people are gonna respond to this one. There's a lot of things in this episode that I kind of pushed my buttons. I was like really fucking horrified and I couldn't keep my mouth shut. This is definitely to me a cut gone wrong story yet. I don't think he sees it that way. That's what's so fascinating to me about Nick. And I think it's gonna be fascinating to you. And it's gonna be fascinating to me how other people hear his story. I feel like there's going to be people like Nick who's going to listen maybe to a story and think he is his success. And then I think that there's gonna be people that are going to agree with my stance. Nick's whole short story is, you know, he was very into the cuckold hotway fantasy. He really wanted his wife to get into it. She would role play and stuff. That's all he wanted from her. But she wasn't down to ever really do it in real life. She would stop role playing even. And he was very much felt like he was being denied his fantasy for a long time, you know. And eventually he decided to go online. He was always going online and posting pictures of her behind her back. And he was very into the whole interracial thing. That's what it was, right? That he has a lot of compersion. He explains all that. He decided it would be a great idea to go online and sort of create a situation where he would meet a black guy and he would set up the whole her banging him by accident kind of situation. And he put that out online, you know. And it's interesting how a lot of people didn't respond because, you know, he was very honest. Like, listen, my wife doesn't know that this is gonna be a setup. And he's, you know, do you wanna set my wife up and, you know, bang her. And it did happen and he made it work. And like that's where he thinks this is a success story. But it was like behind his wife back. She didn't know. She wound up fucking. And then the guy turned nuts a little bit. I mean, wait, see what happens afterwards. And then he went on to find another guy and he again behind her back. And then somehow you're gonna have to hear the details. His daughter wound up finding all the stuff that he had posted, all the pictures of his fucking wife and all this shit and all this stuff with the interracial fantasies of him because he was online all the time doing all this stuff. And somehow, and you'll hear the story, his daughter found out. And then to me, the way he reacted about the daughter finding out was out of control. That's when I really started to get mad. I tell you here, how I go off on him. I promise you this episode is not gonna disappoint. It may get people angry. You might be angry at Nick like I was. You might be angry at me because I got angry at him. I don't know. I got more personal in this call than I ever have before because I don't think everything was on the up and up. And I felt like the minute he made the wrong decision there was just a domino effect of all kinds of bad things happening. He doesn't see it that way. Just make sure to listen to the end where you hear what he thinks about his story because it's so fucking funny, at least to me because it's so different me. I really appreciate his honesty in this. I really appreciate him calling in and telling the story. To me, it's a don't ever do what Nick did story. Maybe somebody will think, oh, this is exactly what I should do. I don't know. I'm very curious about the comments so make sure you can comment on Spotify or join my Patreon. Anyway, I'm gonna get right to it and be right back on with Nick. I promise it's not gonna disappoint. This is the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Hi, Nick. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. How are you today? Great, Cathy. How are you? I don't know how you're great. You got a fucked up story going on here, okay, Nick? Sorry to say. Sorry to start off that way and cue it up as like, oh my God, when I read your email, okay, I was like, oh my God, this sounds like a fucking night. It kind of is a hot wife story gone wrong, okay? There's a lot of missteps here. I'm gonna tell the very short story and then you're gonna give me all the details because I feel like I have a million questions for you. And by the way, I mean, just so you know, I'm going to be judging you the way I would a friend sitting across from me, okay? So I might tell you what you did was fucking wrong, okay? So let's just show. So I hope you're cool. Okay, so you have a hot wife fantasy, like a lot of guys, right? Turns out that's a big thing. And you've been asking your wife to do it for a very long time. She's never been into it, but you've been fantasizing, role-playing it. She was very turned on by it. So you wound up finding like a black guy because the interracial thing was a big thing for you. Finding a black guy to sort of go undercover and seduce your wife and kind of get in her good graces. So it would be her idea, right? And you guys did have a night with him, but then he didn't like you for some reasons and shit. I don't know. And then somehow your daughter found some sort of communications and oh my God, it sounds like a fucking mess if you ask me. So let's go. I mean, is that the short story? Do I have a kind of correct? Yeah, kind of correct. Although it was never like from the beginning, I told my wife about my interracial cuckold fantasy before we got married. And it was never about like actually doing it in real life. And I said, hey, can we just kind of role play and have some sex talk? And she's like, sure, I'm like a great, that's freaking awesome. But then she had a very limited sexual experience before me raised by very strict parents, religious, very religious family. And so it was a terrifying conversation to have with her, but I was just very relieved when she said, we can play around with a bedroom. I'll never do a real life, but we can talk about it in the bedroom itself. And I'm like, that's great. But then it just was just a challenge. Over the years, I was always having to drive the fantasy and talk about it. And I didn't want it all the time. I just wanted it every so often. And but she couldn't bring herself to like say anything related to the fantasy. So I would always have to do the steering conversation. And then I just kind of would play off of her reactions to it. But anyway, and then she just got more and more reluctant to do it. And it became just more and more frustrating. And it became kind of exhausting, the amount of like, you know, foreplay to get her to the point where she was, to get turned on enough to kind of lose her inhibitions and really get into it. And then at a certain point, probably about four years ago, she just kind of refused to do anything around it. And it was like, it was really frustrating. And I got kind of bitter and resentful. I'm like, you know, I talked to you about this before I got married and I love her to death. But it's like you kind of bear your soul and go through this really difficult conversation. And then you think you've got a partner for life and she knows what absolutely turns me on. And she just wouldn't do it. So for like over three years, it was just like completely shut down. And I was, it was just seeping into the rest of our, you know, relationship. I would get very, you know, short with her and kind of frustrated. And yeah, and I was getting kind of resentful. And then finally just, you know, kind of had a conversation with her because we were going to take a week long trip to a resort in Florida. And, you know, it was going to be the first time we actually took a full vacation without our daughter present. And I was really looking forward to it. But when I was kind of reflecting on everything, you know, it just kind of hit me. Like I'm really, you know, not happy with this. I mean, I was looking forward to being an empty nester. She was ready to go off to college and out of state. And so I just kind of like just had a conversation with my wife. And I just said, you know, this is ridiculous. I can't live this way. You know, it's not fair. You know, you absolutely know how to turn me on and everything. And you just are shutting it down. And, you know, and that's it. It just isn't just like the sexual part of it. It's like you kind of bear your soul to somebody. And they say, yeah, cool, you know, it's fine. And then they won't do it. Not even just sex talk, you know. And like probably about five years into our marriage, she had just out of the blue had told me about a sex, the very first sex dream she ever had. And she went into great graphic details. And it was 100% aligned with my fantasy. And it was the hottest thing I'd ever heard out of a woman's mouth. And but after that night, she wouldn't, she just, you know, I would be like happy just like, just repeat your sex dream. Like, you know, once a month, you know, in the bedroom and it just, it was completely off limits. And anyway, so yeah, so we went to Florida and and she, it was a really good kind of heart to heart. And then as soon as we got in good heart to heart, meaning you brought it up again to her like, listen, this is how I feel and this is something that I want. Yeah, I just, it was it was putting a strain on her marriage. And I just said, I love you, but I just don't want to go through the rest of my life where it's like, no, sorry, you're not going to get what you really want. And quick question at that point, like how long? Because you said at some point, she just shut it down, wouldn't even talk about it anymore. How long, how many, how much time had gone by since she shut it down and you had that heart to heart with her? Like, was it years? Was it months? Yeah. Okay. So many, many years go by. Yeah. So you're like, not, you're really not a pain in the ass. Really. I mean, you're, it's this, right? I mean, if it happened the next day, but I mean, you literally three years went by. So now you're having the conversation with her again. Okay, go on. Yeah. So we went, we took our first real vacation without her, without our daughter. And as soon as we got into the hotel room, like, and she's much more free and, and relaxed and, and actually horny when we are away from the house. And that kind of makes sense, right? You're not thinking about bills or chores or your family or whatever. Hotels make me horny too. I don't know what it is about hotels. Yeah. Yeah. Go on. It's kind of, yeah. So, so yeah, she just like got in the room and she just like went down on me, which is fair and usual. And then anyway, we played with my fantasy and, and with toy, you know, like a BBC like dildo and, and she just completely like got off. And, and it was like, she, she hates to talk about any sexual. I've asked her, you know, at one point, like, is it possible you have some sexual trauma earlier in your life? Because sex is such a taboo thing. We're not kids anymore or teens or twenties, you know, we're in our fifties. I'm 51 and she's 52. And, you know, it's, but she said, you know, I don't think so, whatever. Anyway, so, but Kathy, it's like after she came and, and just like really intense orgasm, she had this look on her face like, why am I keeping myself from doing this? You know, that kind of thing. So a whole rest of the occasion, like every day we played with my fantasy and, and it just, it was like super hot the whole time and, and just had a great, great trip. And then, you know, we got back home and, and, and I'm like, I'm just going to kind of keep kind of, because I told her, I said, Hey, just like once a month is fine for me. I, you know, and then the rest of the time is whatever you want. I'm cool. And, you know, so we kept playing with it. And one day she, uh, we're, we're starting to have sex and, and we're starting to have fantasy talk and stuff. And, and she's like, and she just kind of jokingly, you know, very kind of humorously said, Oh, I think you're kind of over your quota now. And, and I just said, Oh, really sorry. You know, she was, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. I go, no, you know, I want to, I want to kind of hold to what we talked about. So then we, you know, just have sex without, you know, any fantasy talk. And, and one thing about Kathy, one thing about me, Kathy is I'm very much, I'm like hardwired for comparison. So whatever gets her off and harder, she gets off the more turned on it gets me. And I think there's your national compression day, man. Oh my God. You're so funny. You get, you get off on your partner getting off. Like, yeah, how awesome is that? Yeah. Do you guys know that May is international masturbation month? 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So I just, I said some like sex talk related to my fantasy and she just came within seconds just like, boom, I'm like, wow. But again, she's telling me, you know, she tells me, Oh no, your fantasy doesn't really turn me on. It's like, okay, whatever. All signs point to it does turn you on. But anyway, go on. Yeah. So, and so then it started falling back into the getting just getting more challenging to get her to the point where she played with, played with a fantasy even on like a part-time basis. And, and we were kind of slipping back into that. And that's when I got just like, I got super kind of like ticked off and frustrated that I'm like, I'm not going back to where there's another three year, laps and, and like I said, I love her to death. She's like my best friend, but you know, so that's when I got like very frustrated and kind of desperate because, and I told her this before that if I have to start all over again, because the unique thing about my fantasy and there's some other people I've seen online, but I don't know how prevalent it is, but in order for the fantasy to really work for me, and to be super hot, I have to like love the person. Like it, it's like, I've always had in person, no matter who I was having sex with, and it would turn me on like to get them off. But with someone I love, it just, it ramps it up like, I like that. That's kind of, I'm sure a lot of other guys feel the same way, but no one's ever said that out loud. It's kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And the other piece of it is I'm like a, a super competitive guy and, and you know, and, and there's also, okay, well, there's this guy online of the site called core.com Q, U, O, R, A. Yeah, I know. It's like a vice. Yeah. So there's this guy that put this post out there about everything that turned him on about his interracial cuckold fantasy. And when I was going through it, it was a long post, but went through all this detail. Like, oh my gosh, this, this totally nails it for me. This is like everything that kind of turns it on for me. And, you know, and the things that like kind of most resonated, it's like the taboo thing. And the way he put it, it was, it really kind of fit for me. It's like, he said, taboo, like, like sweet, proper, faithful, wives aren't supposed to give themselves sexually to another man when they're married, you know, let alone like a, like a well-hung black guy. And then on the other side of them flip side, you know, black with black men, it's always been like a huge, like a really super taboo thing that, you know, because of our country's history, just the danger of even like smiling at, you know, black men smiling at a white woman, let alone having sex with a black man. Let alone having sex with a white wife. So there's, it creates this like, like forbidden fruit, massive forbidden fruit. So that turns me on. But the other thing was, and this guy put it as like, a penis envy that, that kind of leads to, what's the word? At least it's sexualized, he called anxiety, sexualized anxiety. I call it sexualized fear. It's this idea that, you know, and it's part of me, yeah, you've asked all the time, you know, you want to see your wife with someone who's bigger. Well, yeah, definitely. And that's part of it. And again, I'm a competitive guy. So seeing my wife pleasure by someone else, it like turns me on massively. But it's also the fear like, what if he fucks her so good that she leaves me. But you like that, but there's some sort of something like titillating about that for you as a competitor, competitive person. Well, yeah, there are some, there are some cocks who are really extreme and they get off on the idea of the person and their wife leaving. And that to me is like terrifying, like my wife, like she's my ride or die, right? So, so it's, it's a mixture of, of, you know, the compersion and seeing her pleasure, even more than I've been able to pleasure. And before we got together, she'd never had an orgasm with another person. And so there's a lot of firsts with me. And, you know, so there's that part of it, but then there's also the fear, like, yeah, she could leave me and, and I'm not turned on by the fact that like she could leave me necessarily. It's terrifying. And honestly, when I had that very difficult conversation with her, I think that was one of the things that made her feel a little bit better about the fantasy. It's like, you know, because I think the big, the two big concerns with wives, when their husbands devolves the fantasy is one, like, how could a person who loves me, they want to see me with some somebody else, you know, you must not love me and my life, you know, through our conversation, she really understood that it only works for me if I love her. I just the intensity of it. So, you know, that's a big part of it. And the other part is she knows that I'm not doing this fantasy isn't like a ploy on my part to, you know, to have a different past and to have sex with another woman, because she knows I'm not into that. Yeah, quick question. Do you think that because you have this fear of her leaving you for the other guy, that's the reason why you never wanted it to happen in real life and just wanted it to be a fantasy? Oh, I wanted it to, I wanted it to happen in real life, but I was totally fine with it. But you never told her that you wanted it to happen in real life. You told me that in the beginning, you said you started it off saying like, you never wanted it to happen in real life. I just told her it just needs to be a fantasy. That's all I want. And that's how I never sounded like you ever brought up doing it in real life with her. Yeah, it wasn't that I didn't want it in real life. I just I knew that I could be totally satisfied with it just being a fantasy. Okay. But but then the fact that she just even shut down the fantasy is what, you know, kind of drove me to this point. But it was, it was a turn on to just, yeah, though, I'd love to do it in real life. And my wife, last time we had kind of a fight, she was you, she's like, you would want me to do it in real life. I go, absolutely. And then she's like, Oh, and I said, but that's the point. Like, I, I don't want you to do it unless, unless you want to, like, we've been through couples counseling twice. And the next time the couples counselors said, Hey, Nick, would you still enjoy the fantasy if your wife wasn't enjoying it? And before I can even say anything, my wife said, Of course, you love it. It's his fantasy coming to life. You know, of course, I said, No, it's not true. It would be absolutely horrible if you didn't enjoy it because that's, that's the whole thing about what turns me on about it. It's very typical of any, no, of course, and that's typical of any guy into it. That's the, that's always the case. You know what I mean? But a woman's not going to sometimes understand that I could see why she just would not understand that at all. Right. But it's the, she's completely incorrect. Yeah. And then after a couple of months, it started to slip back into kind of her going into her shell. And it's, and it's kind of like, you ever seen a movie like 51st dates with Adam Sammler and Drew Barrymore? It's kind of like that. Like she can have like an amazing like orgasm, like role playing my thing. The next day it's like, it's, it snaps back and she's just kind of like where it was. And anyway, so it was very frustrating. So in desperation and frustration, I sent out direct messages on this one website I would frequent and I sent it out to almost like 40, 40 black guys and, and I had to make, I made sure they had a lot of, I had to make sure they had a lot of, I made sure they had pictures and whatever. And I screened a number of them to make sure I look at kind of their posting history to make sure they weren't like black jobs or whatever. But I kind of, I included some pictures of my wife, no, no face, no way to identify, you know, but it's like lingerie pictures. And, but I was very honest about like where things stood, you know, about how the fantasy really turns around, but she says she'll never do it in real life. But, and I kind of, I waited all on the line and was very honest. And I basically said, look, at best, it's a, it's a 50 50 proposition. What were you proposing? You still haven't explained exactly what you're proposing and you're doing this behind your wife's back, correct? She's not a part of this, correct? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So you got to the point, but let me just, I just need to know your thinking. Okay. Cause this is like a little crazy thinking eventually. Like, are you just so desperate that you're like, what is the thinking? Like what, what's your plan here ahead of time? You had to have been like, there had to have been an end game here. Like what were you going in to try to do? Explain that first and then tell me what you put in the fucking text. Sure. Sure. So the idea was to, to have any, and I know you did a show with Doc chocolate about men who arrange meetups between their, you know, the unsuspecting wife and the black guy, right? No, really, I don't think so. But anyway, go on. No, unsuspecting. It's very rarely unsuspected. Okay. Sorry. Go on. I mean, you both were like, Oh man, that just has all kinds of problems. Anyway, so, so yeah, that was kind of the idea. And I knew that I didn't want it to be like a bar meetup because we don't go to like clubs and bars very often. But no, but I just got to, I want to really just hone in on your thinking. Your wife is putting you down, shutting you down. She doesn't want to even talk about this. So you think in your brain, like your thinking is, I'm going to try to what get a guy in real life. To get her on board? Like what are you thinking? Your wife is literally like not down at all, not even for role play anymore. So you think the solution is to go out and get a guy to quote unquote, seduce her into living out this fantasy in real life, the fantasy that she doesn't even want to have at home. Is that what the thinking was? Yeah, kind of roughly. Well, the first thing is that, you know, she doesn't put me down. She shuts me off for sure. But anyway, and a major part of this, the reason I do this, it's my wife has like, for whatever reason, I don't even understand it, but she has a very poor body image and she doesn't think that she's attracted to other people, which is ridiculous. Because I had shared those same kind of lingerie pictures online on the site, and guys were going nuts for it. Did you tell her? It wound up coming up when our daughter found out about my fantasy. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. I mean, your thinking is like completely backwards. Like you're thinking, oh, posting her online behind her back and seeing how many guys like her is going to make her feel better about her body when you're not even telling her and she doesn't even know. And this is a woman that's not even interested in role playing this scenario. And you think going online and getting a man in real life to force her to get her into it without her knowledge is the key to solving this problem. So you go online. Sorry. Yeah, let me finish the story about her low self-esteem around her appearance. So I was kind of bringing this up to our counselor, our second counselor, marriage counselor. And I was telling the story how years ago we were having a little like it was a two night stay. We had those sometimes without our daughter. But I'm and we and she did like super horny. We did, you know, play my fantasy. It was great. And then one night after after playing with my fantasy, we're laying there. And I said, oh, you know, you know what would have been so hot is when we were at that club, there's a couple of blocks away from our hotel. I said it would have been so hot when I went to the bar as a super crowded place. And I said it would have been so hot if when I was away at the bar and I came back with our drinks, if there was some good looking black guy sitting next to you, like trying to pick you up at the trying to pick you up and get you to go home with them or whatever. I said, or better yet, if I came back and you weren't even there, you're out on the dance floor and the guy was like putting moves on you, whatever. And and, you know, my wife said, oh, you know, no black guy would try to hit on me. Black guys don't find me attractive. And when I was telling the story to in part of our therapist, our therapist says, wait, hold on a second. And, you know, she asked my wife, like, is the reason you're not really open to exploring the Sanity because you think that guys don't find you attractive. And she paused for a second and she said, yeah, that's that's a big part of it. So, you know, so again, she just has this real like most women do. It's a very sad thing that's put on women, their body image. And typically it's not coming from men. It's coming from their own self. It's coming from other women. It's coming from the media. It's about, you know, women, that's the one of the biggest things that women have on their back. And it doesn't matter how many times you tell them they look good if they don't feel like they look good. It's a fucking problem. You know what I mean? It's just something that women deal with all the time. And it's very common and it's sad because she, like you said, she looks amazing and you love her, but it doesn't matter how many times you tell her. It's not going to change her mind until she changes her mind. But listen, you know, if you would go to her and say, hey, listen, do you want to put your thing up to see how guys feel? I mean, there's a way to sort of finesse that without doing it behind her back. So I don't know how the solution is putting her up there. Like she doesn't even know that all these guys are ogling at her. You do, but she doesn't. So one has nothing to do with the other. I don't know how you think you're helping her by doing it behind her back. It's never cool to do. But let's go back to you actually. So your plan, like this is what you think in your head, Nick, you think that I'm going to get this guy and your plan is to get this guy to seduce her in real life. Like what is the plan? Yeah, the plan is and and again, it's the the other thing I just want to point out is whenever we were out in public and we live in very non diverse, both the place we live, we lived in a place and then my wife got a like a great job opportunity. And so we moved to a different state with our daughter and and but when we'd be out in public, if we were approached by you, we came across and we'd start talking some black eye ran. And we were like, they came up and how's this restaurant, whatever my wife's energy would completely change. And she would just and it was like noticeable. She would come out of her shell. She'd be very bubbly, very kind of flirty. And this is a person that's normally very shy and reserved. But anyway, so yeah, the idea was not to get her him to seduce her. 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And and so of the nearly 40 messages that I sent out over half of them, there was no response, which is understandable. I mean, most, most guys want to have a wife who's, you know, DTF down the fuck. Yeah, any bull, any professional bull would be like red flags galore. I'm not fucking touching this. Go on. Yeah. So of the of the more of the folks that did respond, the majority of those had just looked at the picture and and didn't read what I wrote. And we're like, Oh, hey, when can we get your wife on a on a call or on kick or whatever? And I'm like, he obviously didn't read. Oh my God. But you did find one guy. Okay. Right. Well, five, there were five guys who responded who read what I wrote. Okay. And understood and and and and we're willing to go forward. One guy was married. And so he was in and on the down low and he was totally out. My wife would have just never been able to live with herself. She found out she's such a very guy. The next guy, no, no easy way to put this. I mean, he was kind of like a kind of a hoodwrap man. He just was very vulgar and and. Right. So not the right fit. So when that your wife would have probably like, okay. Open his mouth and my wife would be like, get me out of here. Yeah. And then there was one guy who responded and he told me everything I wanted to hear. But that's it. Just did. I didn't really believe him. He was just trying to, you know, tell me everything I wanted to hear. Okay. And then there, it came down to the last two, like the runner up guys, 25. And it just kind of too young. And we didn't really have any kind of mutual interest where it makes sense where we'd be able to, you know, meet up or whatever. Cause my, my idea was one of two things we need it. Like when we have like one of those one or two night stays at a nice resort kind of within driving distance of us. And I would pay for a room for the guy and then he'd need us at the pool or whatever. And then you really fill it. You're really going to facilitate this. Like this is a lot of stuff going down. Yeah. But it's like, I just didn't want them to be out of pocket because if, if she was just like at they, there's just nothing there. I don't want them going down and out this money. And so anyway, that's why I kind of had proposed out. And then, and the other thing is, Hey, if we had kind of like, quote unquote meet some through some event and we become friends. And then that's how he would, a guy would wind up meeting my life and whatever. So anyway, that was the idea. Yeah. The guy we went up with it was just like, it was amazing how everything kind of fit. It was like finding a needle in the A stack. One very bright guy, very articulate. And the idea that, you know, the concept of, you know, at best it's 50 50. He didn't see that as a drawback. That was actually kind of a turn on for him because he told me that he, you know, he's he's raised Catholic and he went to a Catholic university and one of his biggest turn on was like seducing coeds who wait from home for the first time, whatever you said, it's just when you when you're able to hook up with someone who's either never been with someone or never been with a black guy, he's like, it's just it's it's really. Yeah. So yeah. So then anyway, so we and he's a good looking guy, six to, you know, decent body, not like some kind of sports or fitness model or whatever. I mean, he had a really big dick, you know, so and and then he really understood the whole cuckold dynamic. Like he knew how to push my buttons, you know, in our direct, you know, our DMs back and forth. And yeah, he really understood the whole dynamic. So then we were talking about, okay, well, great. And then I'm a very creative and kind of detail oriented guy. And so we talked about the meeting up at a hotel and I said, okay, this will be perfect. Like you come into the like the pool area and you'll be pretending to talk to a friend of yours on the phone and you'll be saying and he goes, oh, okay, hold on. I'm not an actor. I'm not going to memorize a script. He's like, so that's just that's a non-starter. And I go, no, no, it's not much. He's like, yeah, it's just because but you know, you also said you you're open to like becoming friends and that introduced your wife that way. So you'd be willing to do it. He goes, yeah, sure. I'm always interested in making new friends. All right, cool. So then we started talking about our interests and hobbies. And he at one point he says, oh, yeah, and I like to ride bikes and I'm like, holy shit, I'm like, you know, mountain bike or road bike. And he said, oh, road bike. And I'm like, oh, that's fricking perfect. We'll we'll we'll meet at one of these, you know, like a Saturday ride and organize ride. Yeah. So well, even before that we met up for lunch. He's he's over an hour away from where I live. So we met halfway between at lunch. I showed him a picture, a G-rated picture of her face and everything. I want to make sure that he was really attracted to her and he was. And then we said, okay, let's, you know, let's meet up on Saturday for the bike ride. And we did. And because it felt like it would be good for us to have some stories about how we, you know, how we did this ride and met up and everything. And, you know, so then when I got. Oh, because you're going to go home and say, hey, I met this guy biking. You're making friends with him for, oh my God. Okay. Yeah. And, you know, and then told my wife, I said, yeah, we were kind of like. We were kind of lagging behind the pack where we decided to kind of break off and do our own ride. And we decided we're just going to kind of when he's in town because he lives up like an hour away, but he has business in the area. And I said, so we're going to just, we're just going to get together for our own rides in the area. And so then there was going to, there was a weekend coming up where my, our daughter wasn't going to be in town. And so I approached my wife like a week before and I said, oh, you know, me and Ron, we're, we're going to, we're going to get together and have a barbecue and whatever. And I suggested our house and, and she goes, oh yeah, it'd be great. I'd like to meet him. I've heard a lot about him from you. And I said, well, you know, one thing I just want to, you know, think I should mention, she's like, what? I said, well, he's a black guy and she goes, well, what does that matter? And I said, well, he's kind of an outgoing kind of flirty, just kind of flirty nature. Oh my God. If I was your wife, I would know, I would be five steps ahead of you and know exactly what was going on. You're making it so obvious. So obvious. So obvious. Yeah. If this wasn't a hookup, just so you know, if this wasn't a fake hookup, no guy would ever say, oh, I got a preface. He's black and he's flirt like no guy would ever bring that shit up. It's so obviously a lie. Sorry. It sounds fishy. Yeah. Well, that's why I want to make sure that she didn't because if he just showed up, that's the whole point. That's the whole way. It's so obvious. Overcompensating people. This is why he liars are not good. People aren't good at liars. This is like the worst thing you're doing. You shouldn't have said fucking shit. Just bring over. He's a regular friend. Nobody brings up all this shit about regular friends. You're bringing it up because you know exactly what you're doing and it just screams guilty of some fucking setup, but maybe your wife's not. Doesn't get it. It's so obvious. That would have been obvious to me with the guy with the fucking pushing me to talk about black guys all the time. Now you're telling me you're bringing over a black guy who's really flirtatious. Well, anyway. What I said to her and she goes like, why does that matter? I go, well, I don't know. It matters because it's a fucking setup. He's kind of an outgoing guy. He's kind of flirty, whatever. I don't want you to kind of like, oh, what's going on here? Did Nick arrange for some setup? Exactly. Oh my God. Right. You literally tell her straight to your face, you're lying. I think that that's a good way of getting around the lie. No, but I just was kind of bringing it up and I said, I just don't want you to get kind of standoffish and think that it's a setup in my fantasy, whatever. And she was, well, did you tell him your fan? I fuck no. Like he's like, he's some random guy that I met like on a bike ride thing. I'm going to bring it up. You're a terrible liar. I wasn't a terrible liar. It kind of worked. But, but I told her, I said, you know, I said, honestly, I go, you know me. I said, I said, the thing would be most mortifying is I'm riding down the road with this black guy and I, and I got a heart on in my, my flight shorts. Like you can't hide that shit really. And I, and, and she started laughing. So yeah. So he comes over and, and we had some kind of pre-planned things you'd say to kind of facilitate stuff and, and, you know, it worked like well. And again, I'm very detail oriented. And then yeah, it just, she was digging the attention and, you know, and one of the things to make it ethical, I made sure like that she didn't drink too much. Like someone who's under the influences can't give consent, but so it was really going well. There was, you know, he was very 40. She was eating it up. And it got really heated at one point because he had mentioned, he called her like a triple threat because he's like, oh, you're really creative. You know, and you're really smart obviously with the, with the position, with the job, the career that you have and on top of it, like, I don't want to embarrass you, but you're really sexy and oh no, I'm not. I got extra weight. Oh my God. Does he fuck her this time? No. I mean, he was pissed off at me because he's like, oh, it can totally happen when she would excuse herself to go to the bathroom. And I said, there's no fucking way. It's going to be too obvious. And, and so we got it, you know, and, and he's kind of frustrated, but I just told him anyway, shut it down. So he got very close. You and your wife was totally into it, but you shut it down because you were paranoid that it would be obvious. Yeah. That her immediately, she's going to snap back and say, what the fuck happened with this just happened out of the blue. So she was super turned on. And then I took him back to get his bike and the next time, because he was like, okay, when are we doing next week? And I said, no, we have to do it. My wife's going to do nothing while our daughter is around. So it was going to be six weeks and he was all bummed out. But in the meantime, like I'm going on these rides and now my wife is like pounding me. So what are you guys talking about on the ride and blah, blah, blah. And I said, Oh man, you know, obviously this guy has a hot for you and whatever. And I told her, I don't think this is a good idea because like, what's the end game? You've said that you'll never, you're never going to do this in real life. And she said, no, I'm not. I go, well, then what the fuck, you know, we're going to like die of blue balls, like exploding, whatever. Anyway, so it finally happens that we, you know, the six weeks comes, uh, our daughter is back in our old, you know, where we used to live with her friends. And, um, yeah. And then he comes over and, uh, and then we kind of just arrange stuff, uh, just to kind of be quick. And I'm sorry, taking so long, all of stuff. But, um, he had, you know, we had worked out what to say and he had asked her, oh, how long you've been married and, and she'd, oh, like, where is this happening? You invited him over your house again? Yeah. Okay. So he comes over your house again, barbecue, you, him and your wife. Okay. Yeah. And then, you know, um, so he said a lot of 21 years, that's awesome. I was only married for seven and. We don't care about the small talk. How does he get your wife into bed? Yeah. So well, I mean, uh, we had this thing. He, he bet me that my wife, if she was blind-folded, uh, she could tell the difference between him touching like her leg and me touching her leg, whatever, blah, blah, blah. She gets super turned on, uh, then it escalates to like, Hey, I think like over the close. So it gets to the point where I'm, I'm acting like kind of put out, uh, because I'm kind of like, uh, insecure and kind of getting a little jealous. And, and then he goes, Oh, it's just like going to a strip club and whatever. And, um, oh, you can't like, they don't like sit there and grab your ass at a strip club and all stuff. And he's like, Oh, I think she should have the cancun experience because. I went to a strip club. It's the point where he does the strip tease. Um, and, and then he goes, you know, full Monty takes it all off. And, and she's, you know, uh, just, he's kind of, you know, dancing around and, uh, you know, kind of touching her and whispering in her ear or whatever. And then he kind of takes her by the hand and, and then I say, you know, okay, like, hold on, uh, because, because I needed her to say that this is something she wanted. And then she got pissed off and like, Oh, like, you're going to stop your fantasy. And I said, well, I really need to know, is this what you want? Anyway. So finally she, she, you know, admits to it. So they go upstairs and yeah. And, uh, are you in the room? Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm in the room. And the only part that didn't work out well for me is when he gets her on the bed after he'd taken off her dress and panting and stuff. And he, he starts to go down on her and my life, she was never comfortable with that. She had very limited, uh, sexual experience. So, so I'm just kind of chuckling like, Oh, well, he's, she's going to give him the tap because it's very uncomfortable for her. And she wanted you out of stuff, but she didn't. She got totally turned on and she's going crazy and pulling his head in and she comes and I, I, you know, Kathy, that was the only time I, I really was jealous. I felt like a pit in my stomach. I was really, uh, you know, because anyway, it's very intimate to get a person off. I had never gotten her off. Of course I understand that. Yeah. Yeah. This is why these things shouldn't be done. I mean, just so you know, this is why these things should not be done this way. Okay. Yeah. Well, go on. So I, yeah, I was feeling like, like shit, like what the fuck did I do? And so it was not, it was hot, but at the same time it was just like, Oh, fuck, what have I done? He's made her come from this and it's like really intimate, whatever. But then he started talking to her and that was like insanely hot. And like, I kind of forgot about that other stuff. And, and yeah, so I just watching them fuck, it was super hot. Uh, then we, I actually had to close the windows. They were slightly open and she was screaming so much. Anyway, she's totally getting off. And then, uh, after he comes in here, then I, you know, I have reclaimed sex with her. And then he wanted to be the last one to actually fuck her for the night. So he, again, he fucked her again for like another 20 minutes and came again. And, uh, then, then I had to take his bike back to his car, but whatever. So then the next morning I'm like trying to talk to her about it. And she's like, Oh, why do we have to talk about it? Like, you know, it was what it was. And, you know, and you got your fantasy fulfilled. And, and, uh, I'm like, yeah, but I want to know like how, and she's just kind of shutting me down, like why do you have to talk about it, whatever. And so I said, I'll give her a couple of days. And, and meanwhile Ron is like calling like, Hey, what's up? It was awesome. And then, uh, so we talked, I think it was like Tuesday or something after I talked to, tried to talk to her again, and she was shutting it down. And again, it's just 50 for state. She doesn't want to talk about it. So, so he said, you know, Oh man, it was the most hot. It's the hottest sexual experience of my life. And, and, and, you know, dead into anticipation. Everything was like super hot. And, and he's like, when are we going to do it again? And, oh, actually, first he said, so what, what has she been saying about it? I go, she doesn't want to talk about it. And he's like, is she like upset? Is she crying? Is she mad? Like, what, what's the deal? I go, she just doesn't want to talk about it. This is kind of how she is. And he was, don't worry. He's like, dude, just give me your number off talk to her. We have, we, we get along really good. And he goes, trust me, I'll get her to be able to talk. I said, well, I can't give her your, uh, I can't give you her phone number until I at least ask her, I ask her, she says, what the fuck? Like, I'm not comfortable talking to you about sex. Like, I'm going to talk to a stranger about sex. Like, no, I don't give him my number. So I go back to him and then he starts to kind of like get paranoid that I'm cockblocking him and he's like, are you sure you really asked for a number? I'm like, yeah, I asked her and she, you know, and so then he's, he goes, he goes, I don't know, man. He goes, maybe that act about being jealous or whatever or being secure. He goes, maybe that wasn't an act. He goes, and maybe you saw the, our chemistry. Yeah. Listen, this is like a story filled with all like inappropriate people. Like, I mean, just, you know, he wasn't the guy, the type of guy that's going to do what you set out to do and be like, is the type of guy that probably will wind up being like this too. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, you know, he's not acting appropriate right now either, right? But he's all paranoid, but like, what kind of guy would do this whole setup to begin with? Somebody who kind of has like a weird moral compass as well. Yes, me. I don't know. He'd been with other couples and, and, you know, and they were successful. Listen, he's a boundary pusher. He liked, he liked the fact that this was all like kind of a setup. You said that he liked that. He liked to seduce women in college and blah, blah, blah. You know, so I'm just saying that that kind of person is also going to give you pushback. You know what I mean? It's, it's like he's, he's that kind of person. Like that's the kind of person that would be down for this to begin with. The 50% of the people who backed out before wouldn't be acting like this with your wife said, no, I don't want to talk. They'd be cool about it. Do you understand? I'm just saying that it goes with the territory. You, when you put out a fish with a line of something that fucking stinks, you're going to get that same shit back. Do you know what I mean? Like this guy is not going to be that cool because what he did wasn't really that cool. What you did wasn't really that cool. So, you know, it's kind of like, you know, he's like an alpha, you know, and, and so when he, and he was saying, you know, so he was getting like paranoid thinking I'm cock walking him and he's like, you know, well, we had this, you know, great connection and this insane sexual chemistry. So you just are worried and I'm like, no dude, seriously, it's her. So he's like, well, you know, you can either give me your number and I can talk to her. He's like, or he goes, I, you know, I can just kind of show up and when I, when I think she'll be home and we can talk then or he goes, I know what you were, like, that's what I'm just trying to tell you. Right. Exactly. That's what I'm just trying to tell you. I don't think you get what I'm trying to say. I like, when you set something up, that is like, you know, not really on the up and up, right? You're, and you were honest about it. You were very honest about what you were doing. And it was very honestly, not on the up and up and all those honest, good guys said, fucking see you later. I'm not touching this. The guys that, that responded where the type of guys are going to be like this fucking guy, a douchebags. Okay. This guy's a fucking douchebag. Look what you reeled in through your, like, you know, you're not such a great plan situation. It's, it, but it doesn't, it makes sense. That's all I'm saying is it makes sense. You were, you, you literally sent out something that had red flags all over it. So only somebody that's inappropriate that would do something would, would act like this. So it makes sense. You didn't fish out, you didn't fish out a nice guy. Look at what a fucking scumbag he is. He's going to go talk to your wife without you. Oh my God. Well, anyway, so he, yeah, so we kind of threatened that. So I'm freaking out. I go to my wife and, and tell her like, you just need to talk to him for just a little bit. Cause he's thinking that I'm, I'm like, I'm keeping him for you. Oh my God. Now you gotta keep this fucking guy happy. Oh my God. Well, you know, the thing that was really kind of troubling to me is she, uh, for lack of a better word, she was kind of tickled by it. You know, she's like, Oh no, he wouldn't want to. Listen, you got yourself in this fucking mess. So, you know, all the ramifications you deserve, whatever they, whatever comes your way, you deserve. So yeah. So she was kind of like, like, uh, yeah, I think it was a stroke to her ego and, and whatever, and maybe the idea of him kind of crashing into her lives was kind of a turn on, like this guy wants her so much. But I, you know, so I got kind of upset. I'm like, this is kind of, this is serious shit. Like what's going to happen if he goes into your word and this random guy shows up and then this is just inappropriate from the start. This is just inappropriate. This is not serious. Explore the need and say, well, if it does turn to that, this is on you. You brought this kind of her life. And you know, if it had, if it had a serious way, none of this would have happened, whatever. She's right. And anyway, so she still refused to get a number. And then finally I just decided, you know what, I, I'm just going to try to have a conversation with her the next day and I recorded on my phone. And then I, I, I met up with Ron for lunch up near him and, and I, I played the conversation. So, you know, he was disappointed, but at least he heard her voice and what she was saying about not wanting to get into it. And she doesn't. Anyway, so that was, you know, he was kind of bummed, but he understood. And I thought maybe we'd still kind of, you know, keep in contact. It wasn't like she totally shut it down, but you know, I asked her like, well, will we do this again? She goes, I don't, I don't know. We don't, I don't need to decide now, whatever. And, and so anyway, we, we talked out occasionally Ron. And then last time I talked to me, said he kind of was hooking up with another couple, but it's keeping, you know, keeping in mind, you know, if she changed her mind and wants to, you know, get together again. Uh, so that was that. And I had all this bank pick material saved up from that, like super hot night. So I was fine. But then at one point I was like, man, it would be hot to see my wife again do this. So I reached out to the guy, the runner up guy, the 25 year old guy. Oh my God. None of these guys are nice. No guy that responds to your thing is nice. I'm sorry. I, I don't know. I, I, okay. I think you disagree. Yeah. You think Ron, you think out the way Ron threatened you after when you were like, he thought you were lying the way he acted. He kind of did. He said, if you don't give me her number, I'll go to your house without you and reproach her. That's it to me. That's a fucking threat. Sorry. You think that's nice. Soccer guy. Yeah. You know how you know someone's true cat. You want to know when you see someone's true character, when they're backed into a corner, when that guy was backed into a corner, he showed exactly who he was. He will cross your boundary and take your wife with you. If you do not give her up. Okay. That's what he did. Sorry. That's not a nice guy. Yeah. He's nice when you're having cup of coffee and everything. But when he was backed into corner, he showed you who he was. Not a nice guy. Well, I mean, the fact when he heard her voice, I don't really care. When he thought you were lying, he turned into a mental, it doesn't matter. And it doesn't listen when, if somebody is so nuts that when they think someone's lying, they can't handle themselves and they threaten you to take your wife from you, that's inappropriate. It doesn't matter what a fucking matters. It matters that someone can handle a fucking emotion. He thought you were lying. He can't handle that. He had to threaten you and say, I'm just going to go to your house and do it and push your boundaries and say, I'm just going to do what the fuck I want because he can't handle the fact that he thinks you're cock blocking him. That shows his character. The fact that you don't see that is like, makes me want to bash your head against the wall. Like, how do you not understand? Yeah. Cause the more you're not getting the more you're not, but the problem is you're not getting the moral of this story. No, none of these guys are nice. Now you're meeting another nice guy. None of these guys are nice. That would go and collude with you to like fucking pull the wool over your wife's head without her knowing. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, I just want to get to the next, how my daughter gets involved in this stuff. Yes, please. But yeah. So I started reaching out to the guy, the guy who we didn't go with a younger guy. And I'm going to say he's a nice guy, but you're not going to believe it anyway. So, so he, you know, it'd been like four or five months since we even communicated. So he wanted to see a face bit. And I'm like, there's no fucking way I'm sending electric like face pick of my wife, you know, and, uh, and then he mentioned this app telegram and he's like, Oh, it's totally secure. It's encrypted, all this stuff. And, and basically you, you set like how much time like the image will display before it goes away. Like it can be like one second, 10 seconds. Yeah. And then he, he said, and then like it'll, it'll warn you if someone's trying to do a screenshot. I'm not sure about that. But so anyway, I went out, I did a cursor review of it. I, I, I verified what he was saying was true. Uh, so I signed up one morning so that he and I, and we did actually meet up, uh, first thing in the morning to share a picture with my wife. He was like, that she was really cute and, and he'd already had the lingerie pictures anyway. So, but I, you know, I, this is something I'll never be able to get back. I totally fucked this up. And I don't know if it was because, I mean, it asks for your phone number when you're setting it up. And I don't know if that was required or it wasn't required or it was required. And, and there was some checkbox about whether or not you wanted it to like seek other people on the app or whatever. That was one issue, but the, uh, another probably bigger issue was, uh, I got lazy when it asked for like a screen name and I used the same screen name that I was using on the center racial site. Right. So, so we, you know, show the picture with him. I have an appointment. I go to the appointment. I turn off my phone when I turn it back on, uh, my daughter is like totally blown up my phone and, and texting and reading messages like that. She needed to talk to me, whatever. And I'm like, oh fuck, you know, and, and I just got a sense because she sounded like really upset and like angry, disgusted, hurt, whatever it was. So, uh, so anyway, when I get home, uh, you know, she's waiting for me in the living room and she said, you know, when you signed up and notified me, I didn't get into it with her. Like, I think she just signed up for telegram at the beginning of COVID or whatever. So she says, you know, I got this, I got this notice that you'd sign up for telegram and the, the, the screen name was kind of sketch and she said, and I, she said, I Googled it and I found like 14 years of your posts and responses out on this internet site. I'm just like in a racial, whatever site. And, and like, like you're, you're like, you're sick. I can't believe you have these fantasies about my mom and yeah. Oh my God. Were there pictures of her? Did she see you posting pictures of her mother? She saw the laundry pictures. We were embedded in some posts and then she also saw your poor daughter. The BBC toys. Uh, so yeah, she was just like, live it and, and, and, and just like, I've said and like, Oh, you're disgusting. You're pervert, you know, whatever, I'll ever be able to look at you the same way again. And, and I'm like, Oh, holy fuck. And, and I was sympathetic to her, but at the same time I said, you know, you engage my privacy. This is all of a sudden the guy who's fucking posting pictures of his wife's body all over the internet, all of a sudden his own daughter is invading his privacy. Oh my God. Nick, you don't under, you don't see things in reality. I mean, are you kidding me? Your daughter invited your privacy. You're all over the fucking internet posting pictures of your wife without her consent. Did she tell your wife about what she found? Yeah, like again, it was, it was, I don't care. It wasn't anonymous. She found out because you put that same fucking thing. That's your own fault and not your daughter's fault. Don't turn it around. I fucked up with the whole. Yeah, but don't, your daughter didn't invade your privacy. You put that stuff on public forums. Okay. There was no paywall. They were not locked down. You used the same fucking thing. You were sloppy. You were doing it behind your wife's back and your daughter found out. So what happened when your wife found out? Well, my wife knew I'd been posting this stuff on there. That was my only sexual outlet when things were. Oh, you told me she didn't know you were posting pictures. I asked you that. You said, no, she didn't know. There was no face, but she didn't know the pictures at that point. She knew I was posting and I was just wanting things and, and I was posting our experiences out there, you know, like. What experiences? Like details. So what happened when your wife found out that your daughter found out? Actually, she was like very cool about it and, and she, and, you know, because basically our daughter was going to be going to school in, in like three weeks. And so for the first two weeks, you wouldn't even talk to me. Who your wife or your daughter? My daughter. And, and then finally, you know, she had to talk to me about something because she had nowhere around it and it turned into this fight for argument. And then my wife, who wanted to stay out of it to this point, uh, she had stepped in and, and our daughter was like, Oh, can you believe he is doing this stuff? And, and then my wife was super cool. She just said, you know what? We're adults. This is an adult thing. And you, you invaded your dad's privacy. Like that was meant to not be, you know, it was supposed to be anonymous or whatever. And, and, and she said, and, and you've kind of invaded this privacy and it's not your, it's none of your business. We're adults and whatever. And that was super cool. I wasn't really expecting her. I thought she'd like your daughter. So you even feel for your daughter that she found all this information. No, I wanted, she wasn't snooping. She didn't go, she didn't invade anyone's privacy. She stumbled upon it because of your own sloppiness, because you were doing something behind her mother's back. The only inappropriate person in this whole situation is you, not your daughter, not your wife. Okay. Your daughter, like it's not, it wasn't, she was. She was minding her own business. Your fucking telegram thing went to her phone. Okay. And that's it. She didn't go looking for that. You think that she doesn't beg and she doesn't wish she could go back and unsee everything she did. You don't feel for your daughter. Well, I feel for my daughter. And tell her that she invaded privacy and make it seem like she's wrong in any part of this. Absolutely. Oh my God. And that your wife did that too. I don't understand the people in this story. She didn't invade anyone's privacy. She stumbled upon situation. And it was very unfortunate and you have to feel for her. She needs therapy. I might, I would need therapy if I saw that and found that out. Like, I mean, that's like hardcore. She did not want to see that. Trust me. She wasn't invading your privacy. She didn't need anyone's privacy. She stumbled upon it by accident. I'm just saying that's harsh thing. That's a hard, maybe your wife didn't say it that way. I'm hoping not, but that's very harsh way to say that to somebody that stumbled across something, you know, without knowing what it was and was, and stumbled across something that she should not know about. It's, she's not, uh, she's the victim here. She didn't evade anyone. She didn't invade anyone's privacy. That's like you, that's really bad accusation. I hope your wife didn't say that to her. Is that what your wife said to her? Yeah. Okay. She, she said, you know, we're adults and, and you, you kind of stepped over a line, like, like, like when you knew it was something that wasn't meant for you and you, you like dug into all of it. And then that's when she said, well, he's even posting pictures of you and, and, you know, my wife's like, like with my face, she goes, no, but, and anyway, so my wife's like, again, this is adult stuff between your dad and I. And, and, and, but I, I was always very like gentle with her. I didn't like yell at her for like invading my privacy. I just was kind of trying to kind of put out there that obviously this wasn't meant for you. I'm very sorry that you stumbled across this. And anyway, so that was, that was, uh, what was it? Uh, like August of 2024. And it was, you know, it was uncomfortable, but, but now, like, we get along fine. Like, I mean, is there some residual stuff there? I guess she, she's, she's kind of like born again Christian, like, uh, like, you know, that's what, uh, during COVID, she kind of, you know, it was struggling and she had a friend who was into this church and so she started that. Anyway, she doesn't really believe in counseling. I believe in counseling for sure. And, and, uh, anyway, but yeah, so the relationship with my, my daughter is, is kind of back to normal. That's great. Now is she going to have some, you know, baggage from this? Sure. The only baggage would be as if you guys are like making her feel like she did something wrong. That's, that's to me, the, but listen to me, the, if you sat her down and said, you know, it was just that the fact that you use those words, like 10,000 times between you and your wife, invading my privacy to me, that's what is sticking with me. If you said we sat her down and we said, Oh my God, we're so sorry. You saw this. This was like, you know, adult stuff that never meant for you to be seen. We never thought, you know, but the, the, the problem I have with it is the invading of my privacy to me. I, that's what's harsh and what's horrifying is if this poor girl, stumbled upon stuff that she didn't want to see, but then did, and then couldn't stop looking. It's like a fucking car accident, right? Like you can't blame her for then just going in deep. You know what I'm saying? And then to be turned around and made to feel like she did something wrong is like a mind fuck. You know, does she need therapy? Maybe not, but you know, and she got over it and that's great. But I just don't, that's what, that's what sticks to me in this situation. All, no parent wants their kid to wind up seeing that stuff. And sometimes it does happen. It's just to me, what you said that both the way you guys handled it to me was horrifying, but maybe you're just using improper words. I don't know. Yeah, it could be because it wasn't like, and again, you said, oh, 10,000 times. No, I said it once and that way it was like the smallest. No, no, no, you said it 10,000 times. No, no, no, no, you said it to me. You kept saying she invaded my privacy. My wife told her she invaded my privacy. I know that you said that, Cathy, but she invaded my privacy. Like you told, you, you literally have it in your head that she invaded my, your privacy. I feel like that's just a strong statement and it takes sort of like everything off of you. When you were the person, I mean, you know, deep down inside Nick, between me, you and Ron, okay. And all the other 50 guys that saw your message about what you did to your wife, we all know that you were the one like that has privacy issues, right? Like in the fact that, you know, you kind of look at your daughter like, oh my God, you evaded my privacy when, you know, the whole person that was like doing something that was not cool in this situation is you, you with your phony situation of getting your wife to fuck a black guy, that was wrong to begin with. And it got you all of that, that really wrong decision to do something that wasn't consensual and not on the up and up, got you in all of this mess. So it all comes back to you. It doesn't go back to your daughter or even your wife. It's just you and your dumb decisions. I don't know how I know you're detailed oriented, but you know what, you, that, that decision to set everything up the way that you did was not right. Did your wife ever find out that you set that whole thing up? No. Okay. That's good. You should hopefully that will never, hopefully she won't go looking up your thing and see that, you know what I mean? Like hopefully that trail is hidden. Yeah. And fortunately, I was kind of, uh, you know, kind of living off the post, you know, the post, uh, whatever, uh, a session high and I didn't post details about that on there. Thank God. Thank God. And again, um, yeah, it's, uh, the biggest part of the conversation was again, just like, I'm so sorry. Wasn't meant for your eyes. I know that. Yeah. We're past that word. I'm coming. I'm just doing like ending the call with you. Like I said, this is nothing to do with your daughter. She's an unfortunate sort of part of this same with Ron when he got fucked and then was accusing you like, I mean, this whole thing was like, it all started with a very wrong decision and that very wrong decision was yours. And it was like a domino effect. And you know, it all, it kept like having like these little blowups all in your path. I mean, do you understand that? Like, do you look back and think to yourself like, Oh my God, like that was wrong. I don't think so, but I do think that you should see it that way. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't think so. It doesn't sound like it, but I'm just trying to give you, there is a moral of the story here. Yeah. Yeah. We're at the telegram thing. Yeah. Right. You know, my wife is not like, she's, I don't know. She's just, she's not owning her sexual self and you can't handle that just like Ron couldn't handle it. I mean, but you know, you got to just continue to talk to her. You know, are you, do you have plans to like try and set up another guy like the same way? I mean, she did it once. Have you talked to her about doing it again? Have you said, tried to get her to do it like with her consent this time? Well, you know, after all the stuff went down, I had, uh, yeah, I'd asked like if we do it again, I don't think we do it again with Ron. I get it. It's okay. But what does she say when you ask her? She's like, I don't know, you know, and, and so I'm kind of stuck. Well, I don't know. It's not so bad. If you ask me, I'm surprised she's not like, go fuck yourself. She says, I don't know. Is it to me as a opportunity? I'm an opportunist, you know, if I see even the slightest bit of opportunity, I jump into it. So I don't know. It's not so bad. I don't know. Is, uh, it's not a no. Never, ever, ever. Yeah. She fucked a guy already. Like, I don't know. You could work on that. Try to be a little bit more like upfront and honest with your wife and, you know, and talk to her more. But I feel like an, I don't know is not a no. So I don't think that that's a bad place to be with her. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. But try not to do, go down that path and try to set it up again. You know, just try to set it up with her knowing. Be like, can I listen? You could say. I've been posted. You supposedly, she all of a sudden, she knows about you posting her online. Say I've been posting you online all the time. Can I continue to post to you? And maybe if a guy that's hot, like you could look at them and see if you like anyone and then we could like bring her into your world. Yeah. You know, I tried and I tried to explain to her like that you don't think you're attractive and yet you let it see just through pages and pages of comments on these lingerie photos and guys were just like, Oh my God, even women were like, wow, your wife's really beautiful. And whatever. And, and, but she, it's just weird. Yeah. The whole thing is weird, but I have to wrap it up. It went a little mental on you and I'm going to keep it on. And I, there's going to be so many comments about this and there are going to be all over the place. Like, you know, some people are going to be like, you were too harsh on him. Maybe they're going to feel the same way. You know, I don't know. I know that I had strong reactions to this because I don't really like, like dishonesty, you know what I mean? It's really like a thing. I don't fucking dig. I like things up front and done the right way. That's typically what I have, but I love a gone wrong story. And this is a gone wrong story. I mean, everything in this story, like nothing went right. I know that your wife did get to fucking another guy and you lived it out. But to me, it, it's like, it's a warning on a lot of different levels. And that's why I do like stories like this. And I do appreciate you calling in and being so honest. Do you know what I mean? Like the fact that I don't think you think you did anything wrong, which is kind of interesting to me. You know what I mean? I can't wait to see the debate and see what people say because I got a little heated about what went down. Yeah. I think I just, I just heard a lot. I don't think I've heard so much. I had a very strong reaction. I think because like I said, I don't, I don't like the, the lying kind of stuff. I just don't. And I don't like, like, like I said, the people, like the boundaries, like I see through a lot of situations and I just think that like the way I see it is proper and I don't like what I see. You know, like even Ron wasn't that great of a person, but what do you expect? Like every, like I do believe like my take was all right. And I felt very strongly about it because I don't think that initial thing was correct. I just don't. And I think most people in the lifestyle that are professionals will agree with me. Maybe some people won't, but you know, I know in your mind, you think it quote unquote worked, but you know, I don't. Well, I mean, because the alternative, Kathy, the alternative was. You're not getting it. Yeah. You're not ever having lived in person. I got it. It was like, I was talking about all these other selfish guys. It's a little bit like, you know, you needed to have what you wanted and you were going to do it in any way, shape, or form after, you know, not being able to for so long. I don't know that that's. Yeah. But I, you know, if you know that that's what really turns your shirt turns you on and your wife says, yeah, we can do that. And then she just completely shuts it down. Listen, I get it. We already got the whole thing like that. I get that you're frustrated. You know what I mean? And that can be frustrating. The alternative was us breaking up our marriage at that point. Cause it's like, I just, I didn't want to be with someone who wouldn't like, you know, sort of want to give me that. You know, well, now you're not broken up. You did what you did. You, you said everything and let's see what other people think. I think you should never fucking do it again. I think you could just keep talking to her open. I think you should bring her into all your online communications. You should tell her, let's go looking for a guy. I could vet them. I think you need to get her on board and do it the right way. This time. And I think you need to, you know, if you're going to go online, posting pics or doing anything, go into paid sites where you are locked down so that your daughter can never see your fucking shit all over the internet. Okay. Be a little bit more careful about your stuff. Okay. You have to be nowadays. It's like, you know what I'm saying? The pictures that I posted had been taken down by the admins. Like, because again, I was very honest. They knew that when I took these, it wasn't like my wife knew about it. So they just telling me two different things. I knew your wife didn't know about it. And then you told me that she did know about it. Then you're like, Oh, she only, she sound out about it when my, uh, right. Well, yeah. But so let's roll, let's roll back the tape right now. You want me to post? Let me, let me go back and roll back like 10 minutes ago when I said, and what did she say when your wife found out you're posting pictures? No, she always knew I was posting pictures. You're just saying two different things. So I didn't say she always did. Wait, do me a favor. When you listen to this, I was posting like, but she didn't know you were posting pictures. That's what I said. You can go back and roll the tape. That's why I said she knew I was posting. Okay. You just, no, no, I don't need to roll back the tape. You're going to listen. I hope you're going to listen to your own episode. Okay. You're going to listen to this. Oh, okay. Well, I'll, I'll, I, what I'll do when I'm at it, because I'm going to listen to it again. Okay. And I will send you the exact point when you said that again. I'm not saying like you're lying, but you're, I don't think you were copping to everything back then when you got busted because, you know, you didn't want to make yourself look as bad as you are. But yeah, she found you were posting pictures behind her back. I knew that. Not cool. So, you know, get her involved. You know, and next time I have to go, I could talk to you and fucking, you know, try to get you to see the light for 10 hours, but I don't think that I can, but I, listen, I appreciate like the fact that, you know, you sort of are very honest with how you feel and what you want regardless of, you know, how much I push back at you. I appreciate that. You know, I'm not your moral police, right? I just know what I think. And it's interesting to hear what you think and, you know, just try not to mess up your shit anymore. And yeah, and one of the last things I'll just say is, you know, those financial, those financial firms that say your results may vary. Yeah. I know there's like one of you cucks out there who are saying, oh, my wife's exactly the same way. You know, it's like, let me just say your results will vary because they're, these are human beings. They're, you know, so don't think it's, I will say, don't listen to Nick's story. And ever, you did not, you did not have success. The fact that you think you had success is hilarious. The fact that you think that this story is going to help cucks is hilarious. It's only going to help them to learn what not to do. Okay. Warning. Do not do it. Next. Oh my God. I love you, Nick. You're hilarious. You literally said you will not have success like me. No, I'm saying, yeah, proceed with caution and, you know, all kinds of, yeah. Yeah. This is a warning anyway. But yeah, I appreciate you rolling with this. I appreciate you being honest and I, you know, will you be able to handle the comments that we're going to come your way? Cause I get comments all the time about me too. You got to learn how to deal with them. Cause there will be a lot of comments on both sides. You'll be able to deal. I'm not sure where it looks for the comments. Okay. That's good. That's good. That's good. Yeah. Don't look, but listen, thank you. I know you may not. No, I actually think you should. I do believe you're a nice guy. I, I did, you know, you, you might be a little like, you know, like kind of a little bit of like a dumb dumb. That's what I would say. If you were my friend, I would still be friends with you. If you, you know what I mean? If you're not like, I told you, I'm going to talk to you like I would talk to any one of my friends. If you were sitting across from me, that's what, you know, and you tell me this whole story, I'd give you my strong opinions. I'd walk away in the next day. I'd talk to you like normal. I, you know what I mean? I don't think you're rotten to the core at all. You know, I just think what I think in the situation and that it's, that it's not that deep for sure. Right. So I, I totally understand that. I will very much change your voice. Okay. And thank you so much for calling in and telling you your story. I'd stayed on with you longer than I've stayed on with anybody. It's over. Oh yeah. No, don't apologize. It's interesting. It's a good episode. Oh, trust me. It's fucking, I wrote next to your name. Great. Great episode. I like controversial episodes. Cuck, great Cuck fantasy gone wrong. That's exactly what I wrote next to your name. Okay. That's what you're on there. I have 60 episodes already taped. You'll be up soon cause it's a great fucking episode. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Thank you, Nick. Oh, you'll get, listen, you're going to get free access to my discord when you get off. Now that's a very safe place to be because it's a private link. No one could ever find my discord. Okay. So feel free to go in there. I can't, I can't suck it up. I can't. I can't. No, you can't. It's very private. It's safe. No one knows you cannot get in there unless you have the link from me. It is not a public site. You could go Googling all you want online. You cannot find it. You will get free access there. Okay. And it's a super fun place to be. And then you will get a free month of Patreon. Now I suggest if you don't want to see the comments, don't sign up. But if you do, when you're curious, because I'm sure there are people that will chime in and be on your side. Okay. I could deal with that when they're going to put me down. They're going to put me down too. Trust me. 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I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters. Easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audio book, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.