James Fox Hunts REAL Alien Footage From a UFO Crash!

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Dr. Giannini studied the tissue samples and he's coming forward in the film saying, I've never seen anything like this bacteria perform the way the bacteria did with him. Never before, never since. If I had to put my life like, okay, it happened or my life, it didn't happen, no gray zone, I'd put my life on that it happened. This is Weaponized. This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague, Jeremy Corbell in Southern California. Jeremy, we had a big one today. Oh, a big one, man. This is so long overdue. It's somebody who's influenced my thoughts on UFOs way before I was really doing this, and I'm excited. James Fox is perhaps the most noted director in the UFO field. He makes great films and Moment of Contact, this great film about a substantial, a huge event that happened in Brazil. Yeah, we're going to South America again, Jeremy. This happened in, his film first came out in 2022, but he's been pursuing it like Ahab and the White Whale to find new evidence, new testimony to really seal the deal on this amazing case. On January 20th at the National Press Club in D.C., they're having a news conference and going to present new evidence, new witnesses and blow the lid off what is known as the Varginia incident. Jeremy, you want to introduce James? Yeah, well, first of all, when my mom comes to me and says, have you seen this documentary and she's pushing a documentary on me and it's James's, I know it has reached the masses. So James has been in this fight and really trying to uncover stuff with documentary filmmaking for so long. Again, it's influenced me. I can't believe we haven't had him on before, but his work has touched across the globe. And more specifically, at a time when it was not cool to talk about beings and bodies. I remember James once said to me, I don't know, man, this might ruin me. I'm doing the UFO thing and I'm going after this virginia case man it took courage to do it because it was kind of taboo is kind of taboo but he's made so much headway on this case i'm really excited from my friend and brother to join us today uh james fox what's up man hey you guys i thank you for that lovely intro i don't think it's deserved but it's definitely appreciated and uh and i'm really glad to be finally on your show hello let the head what were we doing i know we're here now man and you're breaking news like it's nothing so we we got to talk about what you're up to today james how many times have you gone to brazil to work on this and do you have another wife and kids secretly stashed down by yeah i tell you that's a yeah that's it's this has had a very significant impact on my family life. And it's, that's one of the toughest aspects of what I do. And, um, yeah, that's, that's, that's really, really tough. Um, however, it's not forever. And we've been getting so close. Obviously the Holy grail is the footage. That's what we're going after. That's what we've been going after. If I told you all the efforts that have taken place to get our hands on that, because there are multiple sources for multiple, extremely credible people that have led us to those sources um but that's what led us to the neurosurgeon dr italo let's back up let's back sorry no that's okay this is like it's really amazing information but i think you need to put it in context this is a ufo case that dealt with a crash landing of a craft and beings and so many witnesses and i always saw that the kids talking about the aliens that they saw of these craft and then you come in with your documentary and you see them now and so that was kind of my introduction to the progress you've made but lay out for us why this is so important why this is different than other ufo cases with witnesses being alive and how you've contacted them tell us about virginia just give us the idea and then tell us the progress you've made yeah for sure thank you i was getting ahead of myself there i heard about this case when i was making my second ufo documentary out of the blue it was the late 90s i'd sold my first doc to the discovery channel ufo's 50 years of denial and when i'm working on a documentary i always take very broad strokes on like okay let's cover the bentwaters case hey what do you think about this tayron yon 1970s interaction and my partners and i will throw some things on the wall and see what sticks and my buddy first time partner on on a film was named tim coleman i had same partner boris zuboff prior to that on the previous film in fact he's been partners with me on all the films and and tim the new guy goes oh yeah mate you know we got this this incredible ufo crash and the aliens survived and they're walking around the town of virginia brazil and i looked at him and I looked at Boris and I looked at myself and I said to myself, I picked the wrong partner because I lost his bloody mind. Like, like, and not only that, I dismissed the case so fast. Like I, I didn't read one word about it. That was done right then and there. Fast forward 10 or 12 years. I'm going to Brazil. I did. So I did, I did out of the blue, sold it to sci-fi universal. Then I did a second version, director's cut, took two years, sold it. and put that out there. Then I did a two-hour special for the History Channel to A&E. I know what I saw, sold it, then refused to look into it. Then I'm getting invited to go speak in Peruibi in Brazil. And I get a phone call from a buddy of mine who's very high up. He used to run Sony Pictures, Jeff Zagansky. And Jeff's like, oh, James. He goes, oh, man, you're going to Brazil? I said, yeah. And he goes, you got to look into that Virginia case. And I cringed. I literally had this, this, this reaction of just, oh, not this case again. I can't believe anyone as intelligent as someone like Jeff Zygansky would even have, how could he be so gullible? But I had so much respect for him and he'd been so helpful to me over the years. I was like, oh yeah sure Jeff yeah when I get there yeah I'll look into that for you yeah sure you know click and I was like I'm not going to waste a second on it so I just want everyone to know like that was my position on it and then I arrived in Peruibi and it just so happened guess the legendary Stanton Friedman was there and Stanton Friedman brought it up and it was funny actually because we were sitting on the it was really nice we were sitting on these like like this the terraces would pour out onto the streets and they had these lovely view of this island and apparently it was the only island on the planet that had this deadly snake and it was completely forbidden but the poison or the venom was very valuable so these poachers would go out to this island and you could see the island and they'd go out there and these snakes would drop out of the trees and kill these poachers so we're all sitting at this cafe having chocolate pizza which Stanton Frieden was eating chocolate pizza who eats chocolate pizza but in brazil they have chocolate pizza so we're all in this cafe and then of course the death thing comes up and then someone brings up the the military officer allegedly who handled one of these creatures in virginia in 1996 and that he had died from i guess inadvertently a scratch or some kind of internal like you know infection and that whole topic came up and and i looked and i had this look on my face and i remember Stanton looked at me and he goes James you have you not like have you not looked in you don't hear about this case I said Stanton yeah of course I've heard about it I mean but you know I kind of just looked at him I didn't really say a whole lot and he goes you know James I think this could be the Roswell of Brazil and not only that but I he didn't say for sure but he was like speculating that the Americans would have come in and gotten the debris and everything else and then I met this other research while I was there at this conference through AJ Javard. And I decided, okay, I'll look into it. And I looked in, I'll look into it. And I know that within a month, I'm going to be so disappointed. I'm going to debunk everything and it didn't happen. And, uh, and that's exactly the opposite that happened. And it kept, kept getting more. I mean, we were knocking on doors. I mean, I literally go downtown. Like we had a sound guy with us from, from Rio de Janeiro. And at one point he looked at me and I was, I'd walk up to old people on a park bench in the downtown Virginia area and give a shit. Like if I got a zero, zero, one percent chance of going for it every time. So I'm like, you know, one, nine times out of 10, it was like, yeah, I've heard about the case, you know, blah, blah, blah. But I can't help you. Cause we're looking for like Marta, looking for the girls, like all this stuff. And, uh, I remember we ended up getting finding with great effort marta the sister of the deceased military officer who'd gone in hiding because a lot of people are just like recoiled from the whole case i mean it's just a nightmare for everybody it wasn't a career enhancing move to talk about it for anybody and um and a sound guy looks at me and he's from rio and he goes you got to be the luckiest bastard i've ever met i said it's not luck dude i'm out here pounding the streets like i'm locking on doors like come on and then oh man there's one thing i i got a lot of weaknesses in life but that's not one of them and you know my buddy marco leal has been incredible he's been boots on the ground we get leads we actually have we have a i have to be careful a mole at one of the hospitals and the hospitals they all talk you know the medical community so we've been meeting with this individual for over a decade. And this individual is like, go talk to this person. Go talk to that person. We know this doctor saw the video. How do you know that? Because I talked to the doctor during surgery. That doctor saw it. This is the guy that shot it. This guy also saw it. And that's how we've been slowly making our way. But it's really hard to get into, especially as an outsider and Marco's efforts, to get inside the inner circle of neurosurgeons and the forensic pathologists it's taken years years and now and that's okay so and i've had a lot of i've had i've seen a lot of criticism online because they're like well you know the doctor you know said you know he didn't see the he saw the video but he didn't see the creature and now he's saying he saw the creature it's like yeah and you know what most other people that are witness to an event lie about it until they're ready to not lie about it. So, and when we heard about the video that Dr. Italo had seen it, we did a video call with my buddy Marco Leal in his office. And I was bubbling over with excitement because you have no idea how badly I want to get my hands on that video. Okay. Can you go back and give us a skeleton of the events? Cause our audience maybe has not heard it before but this is 1996 varginia brazil where is that in brazil and um how big is it and it's about depending on how fast you drive four or five hours north of sao paulo um and if you ever want to go to varginia make sure you leave sao paulo late at night or very early in the morning otherwise you're going to be sitting in lots of traffic and uh so there was a there were a number of people that witnessed a cigar-shaped cylindrical shaped craft that looked like it was in trouble some of them described it as having a gash in the back with this white vapor like smoke and it was really struggling to stay in the air there were a couple of farmers uh orlina the fretta center husband who unfortunately just died we got him on camera twice uh said that had their farm animals not gone berserk at like three o'clock in the morning they wouldn't have known to come outside and take a look at this object because it didn't make any sound, but it was a cylindrical shape about the size of a large school bus. And it was like polished aluminum, right? No windows, no control surfaces, no exhaust ports, no intake, you know, just very strange. And it was struggling to stay in the air. And it said it had white vapor. on i think it was the morning of the 13th in january there was a gentleman named carlos de soza who's a professor of geography in sao paulo he's also an ultralight pilot and he was driving up to the north to go flying with his mates and he saw that same cylindrical shape object and he was like holy smokes like what is that like it was very early in the morning and he's thinking he never once thought ufo never alien just like this must be some weird government craft maybe a blimp he wasn't sure and he's like whoa that thing's in trouble it's going down like until he turns off the freeway and he follows this dirt road up to the direction it went down and and it was a mylini farm 12 miles as the crow flies maybe from virginia something like this maybe a little more a little less and he sees it struggle and then boom into the ground he rides at the scene within seconds he says he gets out of the car he sees one section of the crap that's like pretty well intact look about maybe about half of it and the other half that was scattered over a very large area bigger than a football field and he said the first thing that again never wants alien never wants ufo he was like what am i looking at he said the first thing he had to do was grab his t-shirt and put it over his nose and his mouth because the smell of ammonia and sulfur was so intense it was watering his eyes and getting in his nostrils like he's like man it was overwhelming he walked over to one of the pieces rather small piece and he picked it up and he said it was light as a feather and he crumpled it with his hands and he said he opened it and it took right back its form again and he was like whoa what is this and then from the opposite direction come these military trucks from the as a military base and um that's when he was shooed off at gunpoint he uh i don't know how much more detail you want to go into but he he ultimately left terrified like what the hell was that all about trying to process what had just happened. And instead of going ultralight flying, he decides to go back to Sao Paulo and he makes a stop off at a gas station and get a cafe. And so he does. And he stops there. Then he said two men in an unmarked car and suits came up, very tall, beautifully dressed, and they threatened him. They didn't say we're going to kill you. They just said, are you Carlos de Sosa? Is this where you live? This is your wife. Like, you know, you didn't see what you you know you didn't see anything and if you say anything things are going to get really weird for you is what those witnesses uh brazilian or american or did did he know uh he i mean the the agents well so that it happened to other people as well and they said foreigners i said american i don't know they said two of them kept their mouth shut they foreigners with foreign money to bribe them but i don't know with him i'd have to ask him that specific question but he certainly didn't make it clear that they were americans but there were a lot of witnesses that did have americans come and talk to them no question about that some of them said they were from the agency nasa they weren't really sure but um so anyway a couple days later several days later in the town of virginia which is and there's tons of speculation as to how this happened how did they have an escape pod did they he didn't see any bodies he didn't see any creatures at the site but he said The section of the craft that was left over wasn't easily big enough for occupants, no question. But there are waterways that lead up to the area where these creatures were seen nearly a week later. But again, speculation, we don't know. We don't know. Then there were three girls by the name of – there's lots of other witnesses. It's a lot of military activity, trucks, people blocking off road, road, uh, barrack or blockades with rifles, national security. But there were three girls, Katya, Liliani and Valkyria. Liliani and, and Valkyria were, uh, Liliani was 16. Her younger sister was 14 and their older friend, Katya was the 21, 22. They're walking through this field, taking a little shortcut about three 30 in the afternoon it's in january and january is the summertime it was very hot they're going through this field there was a cinder block wall like the area was getting prepped for construction like there it was a area they were going they were building up on and uh they said that they looked over uh the cinder block wall as they were walking together and they it was again broad daylight 3 30 in the afternoon and they 320 330 they see some graffiti on the on the wall and that caught their eye and they're looking at the graffiti and then just below it they see what initially looked like maybe a statue they don't know they're they're looking at this thing they're getting closer to it and closer to it and they're looking in there god that's an awfully real looking statue and it was kind of slouched down against the wall look you know and then one of the girls like that's not a statue she screams i think it was lily on me she screams the creature who had oily skin big teardrop shaped head teardrop shaped eyes some of them described them as red some of them lilac small mouth small insignificant insignificant nose three protruding protruding whatever you call that on the head spindly arm spindly leg three and a half four feet tall and it the creature when she yelled the creature turned and locked eyes with the girls at which point Liliani grabs her younger sister Valkyria and hightails it the hell out of there. I mean, they get eye contact with it and it communicates very briefly with them. She grabs her younger sister, hightails it out. Then she realizes, shoot, we left Katya. Katya's behind with this creature and they were thinking it was a devil or something because it had red eyes. so she leaves her younger sister 14 Valkyria and Liliani runs back and Katya had just locked eyes with this creature and Katya was contemplating helping it because it was basically communicating to her help me I'm scared there's somebody looking for me I need help and like either either leave me alone leave me be don't hurt me or help me that's what she was saying like that there was that communication and she was actually considering helping it and um and even to this day i just met with her a couple of weeks ago she was like i can't believe like had i had i had helped that it wouldn't have been captured by the america wouldn't have been captured by the military it wouldn't have been died and kept who knows but she's feeling guilty to this day so anyway though they leave they grab her they all leave about two hours later two military officers in the same area eric lopes and this guy named eric marco shries were on the lookout for something very strange creature something really unusual eric lopes apparently wasn't told the specific details like hey there's a couple of aliens running around so it's about 5 30 at night and uh they lo and behold they see this this creature run across the car in front of them Eric slams the brakes on without a moment's hesitation. Marco Scherese leaps out the back door, grabs his thing with his bare hands and puts it on in the back seat with him and off they take it. And I was told they took it to a clinic initially and that the doctor came out, took one look and said, get that thing out of here. I don't know what that is, but it ain't coming to my clinic. So then they go to regional hospital and they drop the thing off at regional hospital. and then after that the case kind of goes cold because marco sheree's the the guy that allegedly handled the creature got a little scratch under one of his armpits he was perfectly healthy 23 year old soldier and he got an infection he was dead in a couple weeks um we interviewed the doctor that worked on him while he was live dr cesario and then just now for the first time participating in the new cut of moment of contact new revelation i tell you it's new revelations of alien encounters because otherwise you're going to find moment of contact it's new revelations of alien encounters we got a doc we get an interview thank you marco leal for helping make that happen with the two forensic pathologists one that did the autopsy on the deceased military officer his name is dr armando he's a forensic pathologist and then his partner dr janini who founded the company ipd labs dr janini studied the tissue samples and he's coming forward in the film saying I've never seen anything like this bacteria perform the way the bacteria did with him never before never since so um then you know uh we have we we got to a doctor that we found like seven years ago eight years ago that allegedly took some x-rays of a strange thing in a bag that didn't want to come forward ultimately did for the first cut of the film and then we got military ex who we knew his all of his credentials and we got him to come forward and he drove a creature from humanitas hospital possibly up to two but at least one two as a military base as a campinas and then from campinas according to all the military people we've talked to the americans flew in including the guy that saw the damn flight land unauthorized from the brazilian government pick some stuff up fly a couple of choppers to virginia back to campinas and then poof back to the united states so um what we now have for the first time in history obviously there's so many complexities of the story and you know uh there's photographic evidence we've heard that from the chief of police that we just interviewed unfortunately he died a few months after the interview his name was pedro aguriar and um he what led us to him was a photograph and then of course ultimately when we finally after years of trying got to go on camera not only was there an admission of the photograph but that he saw the body under a tarp as well so that's like but what led us to him was the photograph what led us to dr italo was allegedly video evidence because apparently according to a number of people that we have contact with the doctors particularly the neurosurgeons had video cameras because they would they would film certain procedures they do on the brain and so they had him at humanitose and they had him at regional so we've been trying to get names of people we found out through one of our moles that dr italo is most likely saw the video so we tried to pin him down about a year and a half ago and marco had me on video call and i was like i was bubbling over with excitement you i'm you have no idea like i i want that more that I want to live. Like, I want that video. You just trust me, man. You have no idea. There's nobody trying harder than I am. I'm knocking on doors. I promise you that stuff I could share with you, like, I'm just, I'm not, there's nothing stopping me. So we get to Dr. Itala and I'm thinking, oh my God, maybe he knows the source, like who shot it, where it is. So we get on video call, do a little brief introduction. Marco is doing the translation and I'm, I never once asked him did you see the creature i was all about the video so i was like did you you know do you see the video and he confesses on the video call but there was just a call that was not there wasn't recording it was just me talking to him through video with the translator with marco leal so i was like oh my god oh my god like oh shit he's like yeah my buddy shot it and i saw it blah blah it does exist and i was just like okay i need to get my ass back to brazil and meet this guy meet the guy apparently shot it and uh i hang up with me i'm bubbling over excitement marco sits him down dr italo and peppers him with more questions but apparently he wasn't ready to come forward and he as he's done for 29 years 28 years at that time he's like that's it that's as far as he was gonna go didn't admit having seen the creature nothing else about two months after that and we're we're calling him and marco and i would joke about it because because i'm coming after him dude i'm coming back to brazil i'd say it was like trying to grab a bar soap in the bathtub because we would call him sometimes he would respond we'd text with him and he was just like so like like there was it seemed like there was a part of him that wanted to go ah that just wants to but then he would like recoil and pull back but we kept hammering him kept going back every month we're calling texting and um he has a heart attack the guy that shot the video marcus venesis also had a heart attack in 2018. He died. I could tell you that we went to see his widow. We went to see his mistress. He had a daughter with a mistress. We went and befriended her. I went through all of his computers at his office. I'm getting to know his secretary. I'm digging through his perfume file. Dude, no idea what I'm doing, man. I have no idea. I have the level of... So, Italo has a heart attack. He's staring. He knows he's out of a heart attack. He admits himself to the icu and he tells the doctors i'm a doctor i'm having a heart attack and so he's in the icu and apparently he was staring at the ceiling and he was like i can't take this to the grave i think i'm going to come forward if i survive so then he survives the heart attack and then he gets prostate cancer oh man gets prostate cancer and now he's like shit and then his buddy who shot the video at regional hospital, fellow neurosurgeon, Marcos Venesis, he's like, you know, he's dead, right? So now he's like, well, I'm going to die. And then just that aspect of what took place at regional hospital is going to die. It's the story is going to just die. So we arrive January of last year, and we're going to film with the forensic pathologist. Clearly, I'm going after the video as well. And we're trying to get eat flow. We're trying to get eat flow. But I want to talk to these to these you know forensic mythologists because one of them dr janini's health not doing well either so we're in the meeting with them we got it we're at the labs we're talking it's all on camera it's in the movie it's like super pumped at about hours through the interview i was like we've been trying to get a hold of it's low he gave us one statement like a year and a half ago we know he saw the video like could you could you help us like we're really struggling here we're we're only here for another week whatever it was two weeks and uh dr armando goes sit tight gets up gets on his phone calls eat hello he goes meet him at 10 a.m at the back gate at the at the at the hospital tomorrow morning it's like oh my god so we get the camera crew everyone's like what's he gonna say we don't i don't know what he's gonna say but let's go you know so we and he wants us to meet us at the back of the of the of hospital regional so he meets us at the back at 10 a.m the next day and he's got his full lab coat on and everything he sneaks us in through these corridors a whole maze of corridors and he takes us in he goes put this gear on i don't know what the hell's going on i'm putting on this gear because he's taking us into the icu where the alien was and where the and that's where the video was shot too so he takes us in there and he starts and i'm i'm i'm just getting my gear on i'm doing the best i can with my extremely limited portuguese i speak french and a little bit of spanish i pick up on words here and there and i really focus but i'm hearing things coming out our our field translator alini cross is amazing but she's doing the best she can everything's happening really quickly the sound guys down there the camera guys down there we're trying to put the gear on and it was like start talking video and all of a sudden he's like no the creature was right here in this bed right here. And I was like, you saw this bed? And that's when I realized, holy shit, this guy's going full open Komodo. Like, he's screw it. My name is Italo Danelli Venturelli. I swear to you that I'm going to tell you it's true and nothing more than the truth. I'm a doctor for 46 years. And in 1996, on January 20th, I was called to see a patient and when I went to see it was a person of our planet. I was called to give my opinion on the case and I saw the case from the point of the medical point. Consciente, without pain, without pain, breathing well, very calm, very calm, like a child of 7 years old, brown, not bad taste, head big but in shape of a bottle, small, one of the hands was inside a field and the other outside. The eye was not black, was lilac, in shape of a gota. And he looked very calm, not agitated, not aggressive, not with pain. And in my opinion I was not afraid I was understanding what was happening there It was a very beautiful view of seeing a view of this without judgment Two times he looked at me looked at the window, looked at me again. I felt like I was close to him, a half-meter, not tokei him, but I was close. And the way of looking was like that he looked like it was a greater intelligence than our, than our human. He was understanding, although he was in a situation of defense, he was not with fear, he was understanding what was happening. Possibly he would have a purpose, something to do what he was doing. And the truth is that I am a testemunha ocular, I see the ser, yes. They can say what they are, they can, they say something, they say something, but I see it there, in my face. It's important people know that we are not talking about money, we are talking about something that changes the concept of humanity, that is a being from another place. I went there, I went to look for a call, I went to see another patient and I saw it. So I think it's important people know that yes, who said that saw, who saw the spacecraft, we saw it. And it's not easy to be here in the front of the camera talking about this. They ask, ask, ask, ask. It seems we are lying. I have to insist. I've already believed that I've seen. And I've seen that the younger beings believe that it exists. just confess that he saw the creature as well as his buddy shot the video of the slight procedure that they did on him so we go into a cafe and we're talking and i'm trying to process you to see the camera pan across to the audio guy to my partner marco to the translator to the cameraman david west like everyone's going holy shit this could be the potentially the biggest story in the history of the phenomenon and i say this if true right because hey let's chase this down right so uh then i said like hey what how does it feel because you know and i've been getting so much shit for so many years on this case and i get it i i know how i was about it i know how skeptical i was and it's like it took me over a decade to get you know like holy smokes i think this happened so i say to him how does it feel and without a moment's hesitation he was he's like like 10,000 pounds off his shoulders, he starts crying. And then I'm crying because I know how he feels. I know how it feels to be ridiculed, laughed at, made fun of. I know, I know what that feels like. And the both of us had this moment and we just met. I mean, he calls me, oh my God, because he jokingly calls me, oh my God, because when I found out he had the video, I was like, oh my God, you know? So I asked him point blank and he said, I'm willing to put my hand on a Bible, take a public lie detector test. I needed his wife, his kids, his coworkers, all the doctors that he knows he's like look man i lied about it and now i'm telling the truth i'm not taking this to the grave i wasn't ready i had a heart attack prostate cancer here we go i'm willing to meet with you look me in the eyes shake my hand give me a lie detector test what more can i do what was the uh and you're bringing him to this janitor event you guys have no i had to walk on water and move mountains i'm not trust me this will all come out for my team what it took to make this event happen and i was working with members of congress trying to get people hold of the state department there were all these additional people under review because i was trying to get all the wages including military x who drove the creature he was willing to show his reveal his all of his credentials and his identity to members of congress behind the scenes he's like yeah, I'll confirm who I am. Absolutely. Here's my medical. Here's my, here's my military records. Here's me photograph. Here's the truck that drove the alien. Like it's all right here. And I'm willing to like, and so all these people were coming and then I don't know exactly, ultimately what caused them to change their mind, but they, uh, they even approved some. And then they found out it was about the whole Virginia case. And I don't, again, I don't know, this is speculation but suddenly the kibosh went down i was calling a specific member of congress they're calling the consulate in rio and they're going look and then they're asking me for all this additional information i'm like yes here's my movie here's my credentials here's what i'm doing here's the event i'm holding i'm paying for everybody it's all on me i'll be responsible for getting them there returning them there and um and then like eight eight visas got got denied so i flew back to brazil just a couple weeks ago with a small crew skeleton crew alini crass and marco okay marco met us there and i actually took uh um i had to meet me to say the guy amar from guest theory he came and documented everything behind the scenes which he's making a film about behind this and then i took um uh why uh jeff nusatelli who was amazing just his little extra eyes a little extra security he was super he was he got to see everything behind the scenes what we've been going through and i filmed statements with the help of the local mayor and i got a podium with brazilian a very official setting it looks beautiful and i'll be presenting those to congress and to everybody who attends the national breast club event as well as handing those clips out on thumb drives so people want to spread them far and wide and um and then i've got did the best we could i've got the lead neurosurgeon who claims to have had face-to-face contact and it's like i'm not asking anybody you don't have to believe him but i'm offering the opportunity meet his wife meet him look him in the eyes shake his hand talk to him ask him tough questions you know like this is one thing to see somebody it's one thing to see somebody in a documentary but meet him man meet his wife ask him why'd you lie about it before why are you telling this now why He'll tell you. What is the why? What is the why? Have they been intimidated? Was it partially stigma? They worry about losing their jobs? Or did somebody tell them? All of the above. All of the above. Yeah. It's on multiple levels. He's like, look, man. Forget about the fact that the military shut this all down, right? And threatened probably 95% of the people that were involved, whoever they could possibly get their hands on. I know the person with the video was terrified because the person with the video who died in 2018, he, we know this because we're talking to the doctors that saw it. When he showed the video, first of all, there was a fellow doctor in the hospital. I'm not going to say which one, but he was poo-pooing the case. And he's like, hey, what are you doing later? He's like, what do you mean? He goes, why don't you come over and we'll have a drink together. Okay. So he goes over to his house. We know this because we know this individual. and this is why we know like this is what ultimately led us to italo as well and uh he said apparently he locked the door he drew the blinds and then he showed him on this computer which i i had the computer right here this is it this computer was opened up and the hard drive was removed with laser-like decision precision and the computer was put back together i thought i came home with it wait what are you talking no idea what i i don't understand like who removed the hard drive what do you mean i don't know well okay explain it explain it like i'm a four-year-old i went you have a computer right there and i took his computer back home with me i wasn't going to get it analyzed in brazil hell no i wanted to get that thing out of the country and uh the technician called me goes he goes i just got chills i said what he goes somebody opened this up extracted the hard drive put it back together like nothing ever happened really i i could show you the pictures yeah wow it's like like people just have no idea the lengths i'm going to i'm digging through this no idea no i'm getting the impression i mean i know you're you're dogged about it you want to get the video you want to get the if there's a video of an alien james fox is gonna get it right that's that's where you're at but let me ask you this man with all these details everything you've jumped into um the audience might know a little bit about the virginia case they should go watch your movies if you had your best assessment like what you believe right now and i understand we could be wrong you're fighting for the truth yeah what happened just one two three four five are we talking crash with aliens and the government covered up and u.s has those aliens so tell me what happened i can't prove it yet could i sway a jury with the evidence we have i think so yeah i really do i think it's way more compelling than roswell um if i had to put my life like okay it happened or my life it didn't happen i'd no no gray zone i'd put my life on that it happened can i prove it yet no i can't okay no i understand that but for our audience tell us what the ufo crashed and live aliens were captured ufo crashed and live aliens were captured. No question. You're seeking the footage of those aliens. I can't say that those creatures came out of the crap that Carlos saw, but it's a coincidence that all these people see this cigar-shaped UFO and either in distress or crash, and then six days later there are these live aliens walking through the town. I don't know. It seems like there could be a connection there. i mean not only that but here's another part of the story that we really made sense of this time and i had a really tough time with this one so i'm just when i first came to to virginia i'm looking at the at the um the monument there's little creatures all around the town they even have a plaque in front of the regional hospital and i'm looking at this like um like uh disc shape monument it's in the shape of a disc i'm thinking to myself that's not what crashed it was a cigar shape why how could you guys get that wrong well okay very few people saw the cigar shape i mean a handful of people saw it no question very credible people people at farms two people at farms a husband and wife this other guy uh fabio fortado first time we ever put together google maps this allegedly happened here everything lined up perfectly it was like oh my god that's where they saw it this is where he saw it this is where carlos saw it crash like it all lined up perfectly in fact the same thing with the drone shots over where the girls saw the creature where the capture allegedly happened where the military blockade would happen all makes perfectly good sense holy shit that's all connected it has to be Like it can be total coincidence. So I'd have to say that 14 years into it, maybe 13 years, 14 years into it as when we learned the Americans, because the guy that the flight control officer and I was going to tell you guys, when you're military, if you're if you're a police officer, you're military police. If you're a fire department guy, you're a military fighter. You're always connected to the military. This guy was a radar control officer where he would monitor in a particular area of Brazil the flights coming in. And I remember Marco something and his partner. And he came clean. He's like, yeah, this USAF flight came in. And I was like, USAF? What the hell does this guy call USAF? It's like, oh, United States Air Force. He came in. He goes, he didn't have authorization for the Brazilian government. He can't land. you have to have brazilian authorization he says this high level brass guy walks in the door and goes let him land and the damn plane lands in campinas and that's where our military ex says he drove the damn thing to campinas it makes everything lines up like just everything you know what i mean yeah sorry if i'm if i'm going on a tangent here i george has questions he was writing notes this whole time i remember the first time i saw a moment of contact the 2022 version not the updated version of your film a couple of things i i'd seen an early version and early edit and i'm thinking well this is a pretty good story by the time i saw the final version you had covered so many bases that i would didn't even know were there to cover but when i left uh ended the film seeing it i was left with an overwhelming sense of sadness for that that being you know that's communicating to the girls help me um and then it's it's in the hospital and and uh and it gets snatched and taken away and it was just overwhelmingly sad wherever it came from it's there alone and scared and and we stashed it somewhere we might never i've never heard more compelling testimony firsthand eyewitness testimony in my career because i'm sitting down with this and i know how it unraveled i i should have you know jesse michaels even asked me at one point he's like well how come you didn't clarify that i was like quite honestly i didn't even know that marco continued shooting with italo a year and a half ago and asked him a couple of extra questions in which he denied i wasn't even aware of it you know and and to us it was just like i was not even an issue it was like yeah this guy was lying he lied for 29 years 28 years he had a heart attack he didn't want to take it to the grave it's like and now he's going i'm sitting there going like okay could he be lying yeah he could be yes he could be lying but i'm going why he's not asking for a fucking dime he's he's he's about to lose his job he did lose his job then they realized they were crippled without him because he does procedures that nobody else knows how to do. So reluctantly, they brought him back in as an independent contractor. He's doing brain surgery on people at hospitals, right? He's lying to his wife. He's lying to his son now. He's lying to all of his fellow workers and he's still doing brain surgery. Like it doesn't make any sense. Like, why would he lie? Why would he come out here and say, I'll take a lie detector test. I'll put my hand on a Bible. What do you want? Yeah, common sense. We should listen to what the guy has to say and then absorb that information. And you've put it together forensically, which I'm really impressed by, James, like when you've gone after it. You know, I understand what you're saying, how you find out there's an air controller. Turns out that's the base you were told from the driver that they move the body. When everything starts forensically adding up like that, You can't dismiss it as a logical person just saying, oh, somebody is lying. This case is so much bigger than one person saying they saw an alien. And I really like the way you put this together. I know it's hard work, man. Pedro, thank you. Pedro Agudiar. And again, Marco Leal has been the most incredible partner. Aline Kras, our field translator, co-producer. Unbelievable how much work she's putting so much work into this. I can't even begin to tell you what it's. And look, I'm having this event at the National Press Club because I think it's important. Like if this guy is real and if his story is true, this is the most significant development in the history of the phenomenon. You give me a better case where we have firsthand eyewitness testimony, allegedly, of communication with a captured alien. I never heard it You know I heard of people having contact out in the field but not someone who in captivity and it really interesting because he plays mozart like he plays piano like mozart like dr ethel is an amazing with his hands like he's a brain surgeon talks about how he has to the level of focus he has to have 14 17 hours sometimes straight where he takes little breaks and get to come back and do the surgical procedures. And I'd like to see one member of Congress go, you know what? I find this compelling. I'm going to find those flight records. Because look, if we had a flight, because I got this guy in the United States Air Force, he's a colonel, he's been helping me behind the scenes, Frederick Klausen, thank you, colonel. And he's like, look, man, give me those flight records. We get those flight records, I could probably get on the names of people that were on that flight okay so we did a foyer request very particular we worked with a lot of people on this that foyer request went out in 2022 it came back in 2025 i included the film and it came back from the cia basically national security act of 1949 your request is denied it's like you know and but i'm but but let's just say one member of congress thinks that there's enough compelling data meets dr each alone goes you know what i believe this guy Let me look into this. Meets the crash witness, Carlos De Souza, who's also going to be in D.C., meets the forensic pathologist, listens to the statement made by his partner, Dr. Giannini, who does this incredible analysis on the tissue samples and finds this bacteria that he's never seen on Earth. OK, I mean, that's that's that's data. That's like in a very, very specific stuff. We have a whole statement. We will be presenting all of that. But let's just say that one member of Congress gets gets like, holy shit. Wouldn't it be great to have. And we're also bringing a senator in. Thank you, Michael Schellenberger, for helping make that happen. The senator, a sitting member of the Senate in Brazil, and we want to connect them with members here and start a joint like investigation on both sides. So that's what we're doing, because I think if true, OK, I'm going to say this again. If true, this could be the case that settles this debate once and for all. And I'm not asking anybody out there to believe it. But help me research it. Help me dig deeper. Help me get answers. Like, let's work with members of Congress. Let's work with the Brazilian government. There are people that that want to see some traction here. Like, what do these people see? Is this all fabricated? Is everybody hallucinating? I mean, there's a secondary goal. January 20th event, you're going to introduce the world to witnesses, assuming that no one interferes further and stops them from coming. They're going to be available to talk to the world. They can see your film, New Revelations of Alien Encounters, now all over the place if they want to catch up with the new version. But there's a secondary goal, January 20th. You want to make the case to Congress and others that, look, we can bring this out of the closet. We can go after the biologics. The same issues that apply to alien tech or crash saucers do not apply to the bodies, right? That's exactly the point that some of the intel folks that we're talking to now, it's like, hey, you know, the technology enforces you have to remain a national security issue because the X, Y, and Z, we totally get it. But the biologics, the bodies, the entities, the aliens, people should, that should not be an issue of national security. People should know about it. And I just like, I wonder so bad. I want to know, like, was there further communication with this creature? Dr. Italo described it as such an advanced intelligence. He said it even looked around the room and it knew the situation. And it had control of the situation. It had control of the room. And then it looked, Dr. Italo said, I looked into its eyes and it just read all my thoughts. Not in a negative, scary way, but it had compassion and no judgment. He said the way it looked, I had no judgment. He said it was like an angel. I mean, it's the most beautiful testimony I've ever heard. And like, I'm not asking anybody out there to believe it, but come meet the guy. I'm creating this one-time opportunity. Come meet him. Come to National Press Club. This is not a private event. This is a public event. Bring your cameras. Document it. It's broadcasted all over the world. I don't own any of this. Come and get it. Come and meet them. Look them in the eyes. Meet their wives. Shake their hands. listen to their testimony and if you believe it let's dig into this further and get to the bottom of this case ultimately you want to try to find the first ever confirmed video footage of an alien that was captured taken by the military and this this footage you're convinced exists you've been hunting it that's that's something that you want to to help prove to the world that this phenomenon on is real and we have pilots for these ufos is that correct i would jeremy i would give my right arm to get my hands on that video and guess what else i will give it away for i'll have it analyzed and then i'll give it away for free unless i have to borrow money to pay for it i will your arm or the footage well i'd give my if i i probably give up an arm to get my hands on the footage or get one hand on the foot. You don't have to do that, man. But we're all behind you, James. Like you've really just fought so hard. And I think like blowing it up like this, making it all public, letting people meet, asking Congress to get involved. Again, as George said, the technology might be classified, but the actual alien biologics and whatnot, it's different rules. If you can just do this successfully, bring it to Congress, I think you've got a great shot at opening more doors, trying to find this footage. I think James Fox is going to find the alien footage everybody's been waiting for. I hope so. I, you know, I won't stop. I'll either find it or I'll die trying. So what more can I say? But I'm sure there's photographic evidence on the American side. Hello? In fact, I even got as far with a high level of telephoto that I was talking with the other day. And I was like, where do you think the bodies ended up? They're like, East Coast. and that was it i was like no that's all i'm saying it was like oh my well good luck with the film good luck with the january 20th event we'll all be watching and as i started in the beginning of our conversation ahab white whale that's you oh thank you brother you guys i really appreciate your support and you're welcome your audience is welcome to come to dc we'd love to see you there this is a grassroots effort you know and i appreciate everything you guys do Jeremy, it's always good to talk to James and his enthusiasm is like contagious. You know, you get pretty pumped up. Jeez, I'm ready to go to Virginia and go look for this film. But, you know, there's some lessons you could take from this. I agree with him. I don't think he's exaggerating the importance of this case. I think it's great to have this event at the National Press Club where presumably major media folks can come and and pay attention to this issue for once. I suspect many of them will not. They'll they'll pass on it, even though he's going all this trouble to bring firsthand witnesses up there. But it tells you something about him and about the U.S. government. I mean, the persistence that James shared with us in that conversation is amazing. But it's also amazing whoever is trying to stop this from coming out has been equally persistent. That plane got to Barzina really fast. They scooped up all the debris, the craft. They eventually captured the beings. They intimidated all of these witnesses. And years later, they're still on it. I mean, you know, he goes down there to get this computer, bring it back, and somebody physically hacks into it. It's amazing that the cover-up continues, that whoever they are are so diligent about keeping a lid on things like alien bodies or even live aliens. And yet you're left asking the same question we always ask. Why? Why is it so important to keep a lid, to deny it, to intimidate witnesses and keep it secret? Right. Yeah. I mean, look, it would change the world if we have if James Fox finds video evidence of an alien that is confirmed and he can put that out to the world. It changes the entire paradigm. It cracks the egg wide open. It's no longer about UFOs and craft in the sky. It's about other intelligent beings visiting planet Earth and having done so for a long time. It is a huge deal. And this cover up we talk about, it's very tangible. It's very practical. We see it in small ways online, but we also see it in very official ways. I mean, denying eight visas when someone's coming to the National Press Club to testify to Congress. I've never heard of that. Like I've traveled all around the world. I brought people in to teach my martial art classes from all around the world to deny eight of the witnesses to come in. Yeah, that feels really suspect to me. James is a straight shooter. He's very, very tenacious. and I think that's worked to his advantage on this. I think that when other people were worried or scared or didn't have the energy, James really went after it, man. I am in full support of what he's doing. I think it's smart. I think it's smart. He's bringing everybody in the national press tub. My friend Ruben Langdon did that with 40 UFO witnesses in 2013, way before we had hearings or congressional attention, but now there's this window of opportunity. So just bringing those people in to hear what they have to say and forcing it upon Congress and Senate. I think it's really smart for James. And this isn't even about his movie anymore. You can tell this is about a personal passion to try to get answers, and I admire it. I'm fully in support, and people should go. Yeah, it seems like this film, New Revelations of Alien Encounters, opens up some distinct avenues that members of Congress, if they're persistent, can pursue. You know, they don't have any influence in Brazil, But they can certainly call up the State Department and say, hey, why the hell were these things denied? Why is the FOIA request denied? What grounds are national security are involved here? CIA, explain to us why we can't know that these alien bodies were brought back. Maybe it's as simple as if you know the bodies exist, then you know the craft exists, and therefore it's a national security matter or something lame like that. Yeah, it's just amazing that if the United States had the reach to go to Brazil and to pick up these biologic, pick up these bodies, maybe even the craft themselves, which James really has forensically looked at the timeline. And that really impressed me. It's not like he's wishing this to be true. As he discovered things along the way, he realized it perfectly lines up with what this other witness told me. So I think it's really interesting when we get into bodies, man. it's so emotional we we recognize that we had people on our show last week um so first of all our friend jesse michaels did this amazing youtube documentary about these um tridactyl beings and you know i've had a bias all along from the beginning because of how i was approached about it but man when he did that documentary it just opened my mind we had people on um last week who have a very different hypothesis. They're saying that the finger structures are off, that this is a hoax. We gave them a platform to say what they had to say because I felt it very compelling. They were very clear on it. Man, we got railed for it. People wanted to believe with not even looking at the evidence. We got railed that we're like disinformation agents. No, man, we're having people on who have ideas that we think are valuable and should be amplified. That's it. Let the evidence fall where it does. And I think James does a really good job at that, is he presents everything. He brings people forward. I'm excited for what he's doing. I'll issue one last comment about our show previously, a week ago, about the Tridactyls, the mummies. I don't have a dog in that fight. You know, I remain open-minded on it. I have no idea where the truth lies. And as we said in that episode, look, we let other people pursue that. We can't do every story. But these people are professionals, PhDs. They shared with us very specific objections they have to the legitimacy of the evidence provided so far. If people want to respond to that, not by responding and attacking them, calling them debunkers or hoaxers or government agents, answer the arguments that they raise. Get specific. That's what I want to see. And if the evidence that comes forward and the arguments that come forward next are compelling, I'm perfectly willing to be convinced either way. My mind is open. But just because we cover it and allow people to raise the objections that they did does not mean that we will never believe it, don't accept it, and we think it's all a complete hoax. It's not that way, at least not for me. Yeah, no, I agree. And I think also this topic of alien biologics. Remember, when David Grush was in Congress and he said this kind of for the first time in this official capacity under oath that we have evidence of this, that he has actually seen photographic evidence of that, which he's come out later and explained. He has firsthand direct knowledge of these government documents where he saw imagery of this. It really it shakes the foundation of the whole UFO thing. It's the dirty little secret. If there are craft, there are probably pilots. And so this is kind of the holy grail of the UFO thing. If we can get to the point where we can confirm an alien biologic or a non-human biologic, that's a huge deal. so there's one avenue which is the the stuff out of peru which i'm i'm honestly i'm on not on the fence at this point it does not seem to be adding up but james's story what he has been able to uncover i think we have real opportunity here i i would love to be wrong and i would love to have you know complete evidence of this but the only way we're going to get there is to debate the facts you know make sure we understand them and have people like james running around trying to get footage man so i'm really excited for this in dc i'm really glad that people are gonna go and yeah man let's see what james comes up with let's see how people respond to it i look forward to it and i guess you you probably should go you got a lot of time on your hands you should probably go to that event don't you think january 20th man i'm doing poor man the last two days i don't know man i'm gonna i am gonna go see uh chris ramsey's and jesse michael's austin live ufo show i'm very excited about this bunch of friends are coming uh ernie klein david foley um just a bunch of friends in austin i don't know if people know about this but in on february uh 5th uh jesse michaels and and chris ramsey are doing this live ufo event at the paramount theater which is where we saw age of disclosure george um so it's this big beautiful theater in austin so um i don't know man i'm i'm excited i'm gonna travel for that i'm gonna go check that out have a nice opportunity to see it.