LIVE FROM CHICAGO! NBA Draft Lottery Recap w/ Mark Titus, the Wemby-less Spurs Lose & Knicks Sweep

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Boost only applies to winnings and expires at the end of the last NBA game each day. See terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com slash promos. Have a lot to get to today. So I'm going to run through the NBA open with the two games that we had yesterday, San Antonio, Minnesota, 2-2 in that series. And then I'm going to get to the Knicks eliminating the Sixers. There's a lot that I want to do on Cleveland, Detroit, but I think the best course of action is just to get another game for another belt. And then I'll be doing that if you do 10 good minutes tomorrow, which I'm still not sure because we're live here in Chicago. I'm here for the combine. I was at the drawing yesterday with all the team reps and selected media and all that stuff. I'd never done it before. So I'm kind of cool that I got that experience. So a little bit later in the show, after we have Titus on, we will get to how that works. I don't know that we'll do a ton of time on that. But let's start with Minnesota tying this series against San Antonio. How did that happen? Well, a few factors. The biggest one is that Victor Wimonyama ejected with a flagrant two for an elbow. I thought it was the right call. By the way, Torrico, you know, it's one thing to know the game because I think there's some play-by-play guys out there that are really good at it, but they don't necessarily like know the game. And you can still be great at play-by-play and kind of get away with that. Torrico knows the game, but then he also knows every fucking rule. Sorry to swear so early, but I'm passionate about this. He basically, before Zach Zarbha explains what the Flagrant two definition is, Torrico's almost got it like word for word telling you that's how Flagrant two is interpreted. And you're kind of like, well, that's kind of what Wimonyama just did. And then Zarbha does a great job, looks into the camera to the arena and is like, all right, you know, here's the three things and Wimonyama did all of them. Yes, he was fouled before. They clawed at his arms and his coach had his back like every single coach the same as Dagnall in, in OKC saying, A, we'll expect anytime anyone else's trip to have the same recourse as Dora. And you're just like, all right, relax. But I can be annoyed. You can be annoyed, but you can't be surprised whenever the coach after the fact has the players back, even when they probably shouldn't have players back. It's just what they're going to do. So sure, if you're a Spurs fan, I would concede if they just call the first few fouls. But you know how many times you could call fouls when somebody is corralling a rebound and then trying to figure out what their next move is? Like they're just not going to call all this stuff. And guys are like, just think about this, Spurs fans. How many times do you think that the Timberwolves with D'Souma was fouled on those last two possessions in the inbounds closed the game? Like there was incredibly physical play that they were letting them get away with and they're not calling those fouls. So to not have that foul called before, I get frustrating also completely understandable and kind of what happens on that play. And Wimonyama just loses it and he's ejected. And that changes the game. In the second quarter, there was a stretch where it looked like Minnesota was going, all right, you know, we have a massive advantage now because this dude, defensive player of the year, is no longer back there discouraging not just drives, but even any decisions around him. Although I'd say for the game, it felt like Cornette held up pretty well. So there was a second quarter moment where I'm like, this might get ugly here because it's one thing to go, hey, he's not in there. Let's keep attacking and then kind of seeing how you can attack and what you can get away with. And there was again that stretch where I'm like, all right, this is maybe where the game is decided. Not the case though, because it's still only 60-56 at the half and has 18. There's a third quarter run in here from San Antonio where you've heard me say this before, like, is Minnesota, like, or wherever that team is in that spot, like, you guys are really going to lose this game at home down to one. And now one of the best players in the league is ejected. And that's what it felt like because this 12-2 run by San Antonio was just incredible. A lot of quick decisions, not a lot of freelancing, which I think their freelancing hurt them closing offensively in this game. But this stretch during the third, very controlled, but quick decisions, their curl for Vacelle coming off the ball, totally by design. Castle gets downhill. Harper gets downhill for the end one. Harper has a pull-up ice over he liked the matchup. Keldon had a really nice drive. He did miss the layup, but it was a great look. And then they had this kind of double drive thing where then they turn back around and give it to Vacelle because both drives were cut off. But it's action. It's, hey, make the defense do something or react to us. It's kind of that giddy stuff that I talk about. OKC does it a lot where it's drive and then you're driving without really thinking you're going to get a shot off, but you're just trying to get somebody like behind you, almost like a clear running lane to go through. And Vacelle doesn't even necessarily get a clean shot, but he hits this ridiculous thing angled off on the backboard. So it goes from 66-64 Minnesota to 76-68 San Antonio. I thought Cornette was great, just getting in the way. It wasn't about any of the box score stuff, just getting in the way. So as this is happening, as the team that's at home with more playoff experience is going on, Mr. Playoff Experience steps in and that's Mike Conley, who is, as I've said, you can tell from the minutes here, kind of unplayable, but then he hits two threes, like the four threes that he had in game one. So he's making the most out of these minutes. They're not playing Bones anymore, which is not surprising whatsoever. They didn't play Clark last night. So it was kind of like seven guys with 10 minutes from Conley. But I thought the play that he made to end this run was so smart and exactly what they needed and speaks to like Conley's smarts and being a vet is that it feels like this game slipping away from them. There's still plenty of time because it's the third quarter, but he just initiates contact to get a free throw and he gets to the free throw line and he played three minutes in the second half. I thought that play was massive in this game and I'm not pointing out the random thing that most people forget, but Minnesota needed some kind of reset and I think that play and Conley calming things down, getting the free throw line and stopping them momentum was huge. So the fourth quarter is all Ant in the first seven minutes, 14 points in the fourth with five minutes to go. He had a three where he's doubled because San Antonio is going to start coming with the hard doubles. They're going to be like, hey, you can do whatever you want, Ant, but like we're going to come with these doubles, they double Ant, he gets the nozz on the right side and guess what Ant does? He moves. He doesn't just stop playing basketball because he doesn't have the ball anymore. He moves, he moves to another spot because when you're doubled and you get rid of the basketball, you are, believe it or not, allowed to move again and he moves and he hits a three off of this and gives him a lead 98, 97 and that's where the game starts to go away for San Antonio. I love that three so much because you know, after that, he's got one more make the rest of the game. So like, hey, the defense and all that kind of stuff work, but it's just, it's not even that hard and yet I'm going like, God, this is so smart. And another thing to point out during this closing group is Minnesota is running out Rudy, they're running out Nozz, Randall, McDaniels and Ant. That's a massive five guys against Cornette and then whatever guard San Antonio wants to throw out there because they don't really have a power forward unless you think that's Harrison Barnes or Kelton Johnson because they're kind of not. So Ant and Jade and McDaniels play all 12 minutes. Nozz and JR are playing, I probably shouldn't call them JR, Julius Randall, my notations, nine minutes apiece and then Rudy 810. So on contested balls, it's a massive advantage for this group. Even if we all like all the players on San Antonio, this is just physical math stuff, but you could see it play out, especially on like an Ant offensive rebound where he's the smallest out of all the guys. Think about that and then he gets right to the layup and that shot was like a huge, huge moment in all of this. I'm going to point out something else here that may feel like a bit of an overreaction. So Minnesota has got Ant cooking, but he's exhausted. And we all know he's not right. He had that breakaway where I think Shannon flipped it up the head to him to get the dunk on the fast break and Shannon could have taken himself, but he got it to Ant. Reggie Miller talked about like how great that was. What I have also noticed is announcers don't do this anymore. They used to do it when I was younger. They'd be like, for the kids that are watching, I feel like the kids are being ignored on the broadcasts. I just don't hear it anymore. So that play, you could see how Ant dunked it, what he doesn't have. So he's dealing with double teams. He goes on the scoring barrage and then the user to lose at timeout presents itself. And San Antonio calls it at three 58. Again, I may be overreacting, but the way the user to lose at timeout is used is so elementary. It's just like, Hey, we're going to lose it if we don't use it. You've heard the saying, let's make sure we call the timeout. Why are you calling the timeout to let Ant go into the back tunnel where they joke that he was going to get oxygen? I think he actually was getting oxygen and it also allowed for your next offensive possession to let Finch put Rudy back in. There are too many teams and I think Mitch Johnson's terrific. And again, I could be overreacting. There could be some other thing that I don't know about, but that timeout is being called just to be called and ignoring, I think some of the basketball stuff that you should be factoring that should outweigh this. Like you should probably not want Ant to get the rest. You should probably want that next offensive possession to not allow Finch to get Rudy back in there defensively. So just something to think about, maybe it's not why they lost the game, but I just see too many guys just call that timeout because it's like, Oh, I'm going to lose the timeout if I don't call. Well, what if the timeout benefits the other team and not you? What's the point of calling it? And how about Rudy? Rudy Gobert. He's from France. I remember doing the draft. I'm like, I don't know if this guy can run then defensive player of the year a few times. Great for him. But he's also the guy that once you play with him, you learn, don't pass it to him. We saw it in Utah. We've seen it with Randa. We've seen it with Ant. Poor guys sitting there sealing up a six, five guy arms wide. His passion never deviates whatsoever. I'm open. I'm open. He'll do it for two and a half hours knowing no one's ever going to pass it to him. It was even funnier when Io got traded and he didn't know that you weren't supposed to pass it to Rudy or when Dillingham got drafted. It was like, Hey, Dickhead, we don't really pass it to him. He's not good once he has the ball. And this isn't a Rudy shitfest. It's just the truth. I've watched enough. I will not debate this with anyone. Rudy of all people gets an and one on a pass. And then off of off another play, like he closes this game out. He closes this game out with teammates passing to him, which never happens. He got two passes in the span of a few minutes, like he could go an entire game not getting two looks like that. So good for Rudy. I have some castle thoughts. I think I'm going to save them. Because I did a bunch of numbers on like catch and shoot the way he's being defended than dribble jumpers. And by the way, like all the numbers are really, really good. But I couldn't help. This will be a segment next year. I couldn't help but thinking and look, every number kind of backs him. And I like him. Harper was unbelievable last night. He is going to be absurd. He beat Jade McDaniels off the dribble in a way. It's like, look, everybody gets got at some point, he got him. And I'm like, that doesn't happen. And some of the stuff he's doing defensively and the composure that three that he hit in the left side. It's like, I wonder how much the coaches talk about like, should Harper be in charge of more of these possessions than castle? Even though there's not really a number here that I could find, maybe I could find it that would say, because some of the castle stuff gets like really, really erratic. But then it's a bit like my Carl Anthony Town stuff. I'm like, is that what you're going to do on this drive? And then it works so much that I'm like, Hey, just shut up. The castle, it works that much. But there's some little castle stuff that I've been noticing, where it makes me think like, is it too soon to let Harper close some of these possessions on the ball in a tight spot? Again, tabling that one for later, we'll have more time to talk about this series with three games to go. We have no games to go between New York and Philadelphia. The Knicks in historic fashion eliminate the Sixers. The first quarter, they make 11 threes, which ties an NBA playoff record. They have 25 threes. It just never stopped. Like, you know, when you watch the Lakers, okay, seeing game three, and you're like, look at that great Lakers shooting in the first half, and then you go automatically like, that's not going to happen in the second half. And it did not. Okay, see ran away from them. But 25 threes for the game, that also ties a record. I was watching the first quarter stuff again this morning, and how often they put Embiid into the decision. I think I, my count was five threes against Embiid, which was a part of it. But then they made everything else too. So you can't just blame Embiid, but you can at the 20 to six score possession. This, I had to watch it multiple times to figure out how many different times Embiid was wrong here. And this will not be 10 straight minutes on how I'm bad at Embiid is on defensive stuff. We'll, we'll get to more things, I promise you, but we're going to finish with it. Somehow Miles McBride and Brunson are on the same hot side. And I say somehow VJ and Edgecomb had to be responsible for both of them while Embiid was responsible for neither of them. So VJ runs ahead to McBride, because McBride's ahead in transition on the catch. So VJ is going to what he thinks is the better threat because of positioning and then the ball going from Brunson to McBride. So now Embiid's like, Oh, I'm not going back there to get Brunson. Totally understandable. McBride throws it back to Brunson. VJ knows that Embiid's not making it out to Brunson, so he should now be able to go out to McBride because he stayed lower. So VJ sprints over to Brunson, who then gets it to McBride. During the time that VJ is recovering to Brunson and McBride is standing open, Embiid looks at him and then just turns around and goes back into the paint and actually boxes out, I think, Cat on the other side. And then VJ is looking back going, Oh, I guess I have both guys. Imagine running in transition back, like I have ball and I have the other guy too. That's what this play was, 23-6, another one of the three. So the Knicks close out the second round now headed to the Eastern Conference Finals with the number two offense in the playoffs, the number three defense, the number one net rating that Atlanta game definitely helps that number because O.K. sees just behind him by a couple points. Number one in rebounding, number one in shooting, and that's with no O.G. Anno and Obi in the last two games with his hamstring injury where you could maybe make the case if you were doing all NBA teams. I haven't done this pointless exercise because it is still pointless, but would O.G. be first team all NBA playoffs? I mean, this is how absurd this guy played and on top of what he gives you defensively. All right, so no O.G. in the last two and it actually got worse for Philadelphia. It got so bad for Philadelphia yesterday that Josh Hart said after the game, I thought Philly was a sports town. They put Embiid up on the Jumbotron early and he got booed. You would have thought the game was at MSG and I guess this happens now because so many Knicks fans are like it's so much cheaper to drive 90 minutes and watch the Knicks play in Philadelphia because the MSG prices are absurd. So just a tough afternoon for Sixers fans. I know you don't want to hear it from me right now, but we're going to close and it'll be like the last time I talk about Embiid for a really long time. So while I take a break, we'll go into our separate ways. Three things. I think positive, then negative, and then the reality of where the Sixers are at right now. Positive, great backcourt. I love those two guys. Could you say, hey, maybe together? It's not the greatest thing ever. Maybe it's also why they traded McCain, which I know everybody's super pissed about as he makes a ton of threes for O.K.C. and really probably could have used him on offense. Yep, long term though, I think Philly, you can say they're wrong for doing this and most of you would, but they were like, so we're going to extend another small guard that's a liability on defense who's never going to start for us. Or you could just say, hey, look, he's too good and we didn't bring anything back. And the players were frustrated by them not bringing back somebody that they thought was ready for their playoff rotation. I think both of those sides of the arguments actually can both be considered the correct way to feel about it. But every time McCain hits a shot, especially if he plays like finals minutes, have fun with that. But we love the backcourt. The VJ thing's going to work and it's going to work for a long time. Maxi is knocking on the door of a top 10 player in this league. Paul George, despite the age, looked better. I thought he closed the regular season looking better. He'd had some playoff moments. He had some great games against Boston. Mbede came back. He came back from surgery 17 days later, played in all these games. And, you know, the resume for his playoff, I mean, I don't know if it's real or not, or if he was just coping a bit where it was like, Hey, this is a great season. I think personally, it's probably a great season for him because again, he was dealing with the injuries, but he was able to close the playoffs with his team. And if you don't like Mbede, you would have held it against him for not getting out of game seven against Boston, a team he always loses to in the playoffs. So you've got to give him a little bit of credit. If you were going to hold him, hold it against him for that, I think you have to give him a little bit of credit for like, well, look, at least they won that game and offensively he turned to a real problem for the Sixers in the second half of that series in the three one comeback. The negatives, um, Paul George with no Ananobi in the last two games still finds a way to completely disappear like the old playoff P that we used to make fun of all the time. So in the most Paul George game ever in game three, he has 15 points in the first quarter. He's unstoppable. Since that time, the next seven quarters, he scored seven points total. That's a point of quarter, folks. That's not very good. So he's got two more years at 110.7 million dollars. He's got a player option at 38 years old for 56.6 million. Going to go ahead and report. He's going to pick that one up right now. Um, so yeah, their guards as much as I like them. You want to talk about easy work for the Knicks backcourt because it's Maxi and because it's, it's VJ and then it's Grimes. And then you figure like, well, you can put Paul George on somebody, but put Ubrey on somebody. But you know, even Atlanta had some moments where it was a lot harder for Brunson because of Daniels and Alexander Walker. Obviously CJ was somebody they were going to hunt, but it felt like it was way easier for this backcourt matchup in New York in the second round than it was even in the first round, despite running away in that series against Atlanta. Game seven against Boston. I did the positive version. Let's do the negative version of that series. Like, yeah, and beat good out. He also played two backup centers and Garza, who's a third stringer. Boston, I thought had a terrible series as far as adjustments. And maybe we're looking at this Philly team after getting swept going. All right, maybe Boston was a complete mess. And that wasn't that big of a deal. I don't think that's entirely fair, but you could do that argument the next day. All right. So we're left with as we close, like was Philly sort of fraudulently built up coming back from three on who cares, man, they came back down three one. That's what it would be remembered. And again, and beat hadn't beat Boston. He had those series, the game seven loss a couple of years ago, where they lost both of those games to close that series. So, you know, you got to give them a little something, but bigger picture. Here's the part that sucks. And some of this isn't new. The only game the Sixers were competitive in this entire series, the one and beat didn't play. And we can talk about him not missing a shot and the shooting and the offensive skill, but he's got to get back to playing basketball and not being obsessed with free throws and contact. This guy is like, something happened with him, where it was like, Hey, if I get this many free throws, I'm going to score this many points. And then my advanced stuff is going to say that I don't know that he was actually having this conversation with himself or anyone around him, but he's not really playing. He's going to get his 20 shots. He's going to get his 10 free throws. He's going to end up with like 30 plus. He's going to get rebounds because of his size. Defensively, he has a massive, massive liability. And we can say, well, he's got the knee injury. And then he came back to the surgery. Yeah, but what looked different? Did it like, did you watch him in the playoffs and go, Oh man, he looks so different. I feel like this is kind of what he's looked like for a couple of years. I don't know if he'll spend the entire off season. Like, I think the only chance he has is calling up Duncan and saying, when you decided to lose all that weight at the end of your career, how did you do it? And how did your body respond? And it's like, Hey, I added another four plus years to my career, maybe even longer, I think for Duncan, actually, when we first started worrying about his foot problems, he dropped significant weight and it made him a better player. And it was just better for his body. So if indeed can't lose weight, then it's never going to work. 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It just makes everything easier. That's revolve.com slash recilote. R-U-S-S-I-L-L-O. Use code for 15% off your entire order. Offer and soon. Don't sleep on it. Live from the mostly sports studio, half of mostly sports, maybe the better half. Maybe. Yeah. Some people say, Mark Titus, I'm in your studio. So I can't even say you're in your studio. Give me your honest thoughts. Give me your, I can take it. Give me every thought going through your head right now as you're looking around the studio. I like it. The Pitz Noggle Jersey is incredible. Game war. I don't know about that. That's our emergency. So we wear jerseys on Thursdays and if someone forgets a jersey, that's our emergency. That's our break glass. Jerseys? Yeah. Jerseys is what we do. Yeah. It's really, we're good at bonds on this show. Give me some of your best jerseys that you have. Oh my God. My favorites, I have a Denver Broncos that has no name or number on it. It's just a blue jersey that has it. They forgot the fanatics sent it in and they forgot to print something on it and that became my favorite jersey. It's a Choose Your Own Adventure Denver Broncos. Usually fanatics sends those gifts to try to get like taste makers to kind of come their way on stuff. And now it's like, what do I do? I'm having a problem with these arm rests. Very early on. There's an adjustment needed to be made. You're in the brain of Walker's seat. Everything's broken over there. What was he pitching about? He was saying how like, I'm going to use your studio and then not come on your show. Yeah. Yeah. You've become a white whale on our show, which is very fun. Like I'm not telling you what to do. I just think the funniest play is that you've recorded your show in our studio, but you never come on our show. That'd be very funny. I'm going a lot of shows. Very funny. Connor Griffin, who you've met a handful of times, he's become very weird about it. Like he thinks it's like, his measure of a man is like whether or not he can get you on our show. And I want him to live in that torture. So I don't want you to come on our show, but I love you and I want you on it. You know what I mean? So like it's somehow like infecting me a little bit, but like it's all very funny. It's all very, and then meanwhile, Seruti, you're taking strays on our show not too long ago when Brandon Walker was just like, I have no idea who Seruti is when the two of you broke bread together. Yeah. We met. Yeah. He is, I don't, I don't want to say insecure is the word, but Brandon's, I don't know. It feels like he's just like, Hey, you're a big deal, dude. Like just accept it. Like you, people know who you are. It's okay. Yeah. Flex your muscles a little bit. So I don't know. We had no beef. It's okay. No. So this will be the, the Rassila universe mixing in with all of us. All of us animals here in Chicago. This is going to be good. I'm excited. And for the record, the reason why I don't do a ton of stuff is we've been taping like five days a week now for weeks. We usually, we do quite a bit of things. Like, you know, so you guys are scattered all over. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't see each other a lot. It takes, it takes massive events in the world of sports for you guys to all come together in Chicago and what bigger event than the NBA combine, right? I can't think of many. I mean, obviously the Super Bowl is bigger. You do love the combine. I do. You always love the combine. You, you were on the combine. I remember three years. How many years did you work the combine? Are you on the broadcast? Five, maybe four. I usually am pretty good at being able to remember that, but it was an unceremonious end. I was replaced, I think 10 days before it started. So the thing is, is nobody ever wanted to do it. Yeah. Okay. And that was the whole point. Like, I'll never forget the meeting. And I, to this day, appreciate the guy who brought me in because I was trying to figure out if I wanted to just go like full blown Chad Ford and be the draft guy, like leave daily radio and go, you like the draft more than anything else. Like, could you become that draft guy? And it's always a weird lane for somebody who didn't play, right? Yeah. So at one point, if you would ask me like when I was younger, if you could do anything, I would have picked that more so than any of this stuff. Yeah. Why is that? What about the draft specifically? We're all evaluators. Really tight. As if you think about it, you're evaluating everything in life. So why not get paid for it? Yeah, that's true. I think it was because I didn't really want to be in the media and I wanted to work in front of office. So I was kind of figuring out like, oh, is there going to be like a Mike Schmitz thing for me? Yeah, before Mike Schmitz had even happened. But the funny thing is, is I was reading in the beginning of like being an obsessive draft person, I was getting stuff right and wrong based on what other people were writing about players I hadn't really watched. And then I would get something wrong and then go, well, I can do this on my own and watch and then get stuff as wrong as everybody else does. So it really is a Chad Ford thing because he was like, you should go to Portsmouth, Virginia. So I went down there. Like I think the first one I went to was in 2003. And then I would go to Orlando and, you know, back then a lot of people didn't go to the things and you had access. So you could just sit next to whoever you wanted to. Like you could, if you wanted to go up to Joe Dumars and sit down and say hello. And I was a little bit more aggressive back then about it. So is that, is that one of the functions? Is this like a networking thing? Like I guess my question, you're a combine guy and you're a pre-draft guy. What is the objective for the NBA? I mean, you could say it's like to evaluate the players, but what are we evaluating? The basketball is, I mean, can you play or can you not play? Like what is, what exactly are we, are we, are we doing with the combine? Cause fans, I find it fascinating that like the NFL combined seems to matter to people, like the fans, like they, they really, they're high on a prospect. He runs a little bit slow. Like his 40s, like 0.2 seconds slower than we thought. Like, gosh, he just fell out of the first round. I don't remember that. I don't remember stories like that coming out of the NBA draft combine. I don't remember like guys that we were high on having a quote unquote bad combine or guys, or does that happen? No, cause they don't play. Yeah. So I guess like my question is like, what is, what is the point of this? What are we doing? What are the, what are the, what is, what is, what is happening this week in Chicago actually? The interviews with players is huge. The medical testing, especially with the new rule change, where it's like, you can't just be a lottery pick and decide you're not even going to do that, because you've had draft decisions not even that long ago, where a team would be like, hey, how come you passed on that guy? And they'd be like, because this guy wouldn't, his team wouldn't give us the NBA team, his medicals. And so when you freaked out about that, so there's the medical stuff. Yeah. The athletic testing, it just doesn't mean as much in the NBA, because I think there's plenty of guys, like remember the old Durant thing where he couldn't bench one of you five? Yeah. It's like, I think he's going to be all right. Like he's probably going to figure out. No, I think that like, I think Kevin Durant killed the NBA draft combine. That's what I, and it's been 20 years now. And I'm still just like, Yeah, but you could also argue. You could argue. The NFL combines like actually dumber than the NBA combined. Yeah. They didn't even play. That's true. So like, even if the top guys, like only a handful of potential first rounders are going to be playing this week in the scrimmages, at least you can see a Christian Brown like run around and go, yeah, you know, like he pops a little bit athletically, or you'll see an incredible college player immediately look like he's struggling with the athleticism of just the combine where most of these guys aren't even going to be the league all that long. So there is, there is value in some of that, but it isn't just about the, I'm not like sitting there with a notepad being like, ooh, nice first step. Right. I didn't realize that it's, it's a networking thing, but on the team side, they're interviewing all the players, they're bullshitting with each other. It's just something awesome on the NBA calendar, if you care about the league where it's almost like a convention week for them. Yeah. So I think Edie had a good combine, right? Then he, I guess I was trying to think of like guys that, I feel like Zach Edie like ran like a fast three quarter, is that a test three quarter quarter? I don't remember. He was like more agile because he was thought of as like a, like he had bricks for feet and like wouldn't be able to move. And then I feel like he had a decent combine, but they do some like different testing of, of like some of these agility drills. And then I think there'll be times where you'll see a guy like have a really bad traditional like sprint, but then they'll have like a really great agility thing for their size. Look, Hansen Yang, Yang gang, we discovered him last year. You know, I was, I was watching him going, I think there's something to this guy. I didn't think he was going to go as high as he did to Portland, but there's, there's all sorts of secrets in our own earths. Watching this. But then look, we're going to have, we're going to have Winger on the show this week. They got the number one pick because I was in the drawing last night. So no conspiracies last night, unless the conspiracy is that they just made it right on the last one on the way out for the bad teams. Yeah. The conspiracies, they got so much heat last year for rigging it that they had to give the one of the top three, they had to give the jazz, the Pacers or the wizards the number one pick. I think that's the conspiracy. Can we talk about the conspiracy though last year, right? Because you remember Cooper wins or Mount Dallas wins that they went to Cooper flag, right? So the conspiracy, remember that guy wrote that really long detailed thing in his bio, looked like it had enough credibility in it. It was like, what is this guy, a business real estate advisor or whatever what's going on? It was like, here's the whole game plan. And this is why they traded Luca, then to go to Vegas because this bill wasn't passing all the stuff. I had guys that hate the NBA sending it to me being like friends of mine from college being like, Hey, did you just, you probably want to cover this on the show? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's, it's convincing. I just like thinking about it because as they were putting that conspiracy together, like Nico Harrison going, what's my role going to be again? Like international humiliation. Yeah. Everyone's going to think you sucked. You get fired. Family has to move. You never get a serious job again. Yeah. In collateral damage. Someone's got to get right. Someone's going to get chewed up and spit out. I do think there's a divide between the NBA media though, the super serious dork types and the people that just want to shitpost on, on the internet. And that like a lot of people like to just talk about the conspiracy in the lottery just because it's fun, just because it's fun to just be like, this is rigged, you know? And, and that's like, we're just, we're just shitposting and coming up with memes and, and, and that's just like how people want to pass their time and consuming the NBA. But then like the more that happens and the more there's like this undercurrent of, of NBA internet discourse that is just toxic and a complete waste of time, the more I feel like people want to type out like 10,000 word articles about how this could not possibly be rigged. And we swear it's not rigged. And I feel like Adam Silver, because you were telling me the process, like you were in the room. Yeah. The links they go to, to convince people that it's not rigged. It's almost like, it almost makes me think it is like, it is rigged. It's like funny. They are so desperate to prove that it's not rigged that like ultimately like boner, boner basketball 420 is just still like, nah, don't care. Still rigged. I mean, it's like the more you do, the more links you go to, it's like the funnier it is for people to just be like, eh, fucking it's still rigged to me. Well, I actually, before the drawing, you can go through the 14 teams and be like, rank the rigged parts of it. I just recently was talking with Ethan Strauss about this, where I couldn't believe that Stern went on with Broome after the Pelicans won the lottery. So they're going to get AD after the Chris Paul trade, which everybody seems to forget. Like the reason why Stern could say we're not doing this is because the NBA owned the team at that time. It was a really weird limbo ownership thing because they didn't have an owner for that team. And so that had as much to do with it as much as like, I do believe that other owners were like, Hey, we don't want this to happen because of the Lakers, but they couldn't do that with anything else. And people could never move off. They'd be like, Oh, why are they videoing this one? Well, because they don't own the fucking Pacers. They don't own this team. And then when Rome just goes, so it was rigged. You're like, why? My point is like, whether we believe it or not, that's just funny. It's just funny. I feel like I think this is rigged. Yeah. I just don't know why they put AD in New Orleans. Yeah. And the other one that I always bring up is like, why do you put Tim Duncan in San Antonio for 20 years? That's true. Yeah. Like, why would you go with one of the cleanest prospects that you or I have ever seen coming into the NBA and in back. Zion was like the biggest star coming out of college. We've had in a very long time. Right. And he goes to the North. I will say though, I think this might be controversial. I think it's, it's probably good for the NBA that some people do think it's rigged. I think that might actually be a good thing. I think, I think one of my problems with Adam Silver as commissioner is that he, he's running like a board room and he's very corporate. Obviously, this is not a unique criticism of him, but like, I feel like he is, he sees dollars and cents and he sees like spreadsheets and charts and all that. And the NBA having heroes and villains and storylines and all this sort of shit, I think is very compelling. And if Indiana Pacers fans walk away from yesterday saying that the league fucked us, this thing is rigged. It's rigged against the Pacers. I actually don't think that's the worst thing in the world. I think the Indiana Pacers fans going into next year, believing that there's like a conspiracy to keep us down. It's annoying. Don't get me wrong. Like it's very annoying. If you work in the league office and you have that chatter out there, that's gotta be annoying. I wouldn't even pay attention to it. I mean, you think they're numb to it at this point from every single circle of the NBA map? I think like galvanizing fan bases by saying they don't want us to win. They don't, they hate us. They, it makes them sick if we're good. Like, I think that might actually be a good thing for the league. Yeah. I think that stuff is good as far as like the good versus evil. But I, I think it's a human nature thing. You know, it's the same thing as college football. The reason college football is so popular is that it's a perfect extension of human nature. And that, and I did this rant years and years ago, but like a lot of times you kind of go through life just hoping not to get fucked over. Right? It's just day to day. But you kind of think you are. And then you can work yourself up into this thing of like thinking everybody's against you. And that's college football. It's perfect because you're not watching any of the other stuff. You think you drop in the rankings and nobody else ever does. Because you're only paying attention to the biases against the things that impact you. And it is again, an extension of human nature. And so I personally like doing this for this long, like, I'm probably missing some times where it's accurate because I'm putting it all into the same bucket of like, Hey, this is, this is the same thing every year. Like there's always one fan base like, Oh, this would like, remember crazy Florida State Twitter there for a while. And it was, it was wild. And what they didn't realize, it was like, no, do you not understand that because you won the year before you're getting the benefit of the doubt in a way that other teams who have won have gotten the benefit of doubt, but you just never paid attention to it before because your team hadn't won a national championship. And they were still getting ranked higher and higher every single week that second year, despite not really playing even close to as well, obviously, as they played the year before. But the Pacers thing, like what do you, like, I didn't see a lot of it. I don't know if that's because you're from there. No. Yeah. I mean, I think the Pacers. So yeah, I'm not, I'm not like a Dyer Pacers fan, but I, I, you know, growing up in the state, it was more college and high school and stuff. And like the Pacers were like my father, like the Pacers weren't really around when my dad was growing up. And like, so he didn't really grow up. Indiana Hoosiers, you're for Bob Knight, but he's for an NBA team. Not really. Yeah. It's kind of weird because like Indiana is such a basketball state, but that was like how he just grew up. He was just like, I don't know. And then the Pacers started, he was like, this is like a fun little side show. They might as well have been the Harlem Globetrotters to him. He was just kind of like, this is a, this is neat that we have this, but like I'm not going to live and breathe with every possession. So like when I was growing up, even though I grew up in the nineties in Indiana and, you know, Reggie and it was popping off and, and the Pacers had always loosed the bowls. Like I wasn't, I wasn't a super diehard Pacers fan, but I will say that like, you know, you keep tabs on them, you go to games and all that sort of thing. And I always, I always did appreciate that the Pacers never tank. There was something about that that I felt like as a guy who believes in Indiana basketball superiority and like it is different, 49 States type shit. I thought that was cool that the Pacers were like the one NBA team that will never tank. And like, yes, it's very stupid to go about 500 losing the second round, not get a good draft pick, not ever be good enough to win the title, but there was something noble about it. And I think what's so frustrating for the Pacers fans is this was the first time ever in the history of the franchise that they just actively tanked. And not only is that true, I don't know every single season. It's like the first time that the Pacers were like, you know what, we're going to do it. We're going to, we're just going to, we're going to, how it burns out. I think they had like other injuries to start the year. I feel like I could find a season because I, you're putting me in a spot where I don't remember every single season in the Pacers history. They like, they would not like, they had bad year. Like they would miss the playoffs, but like the Pacers would just like refuse to tank. And so this year they finally are like, we got to play the game. We're going to because we have Halliburton out. Halliburton becomes healthy. If we can get like one of these top three picks with a, with a pretty good draft class, like now we're, now we're in business. And they finally tank and then they make the, the Zubox trade and it doesn't work out. But I think that's what's got Pacers fans frustrated is like, this was the first time, this is the first time it feels like in the history of the franchise that the Pacers actually tanked. They've never had the number one pick ever in the hit ever. They've never even had a number one pick sign in free agency. They came close when down, Dr. Aiden signed and then he just went back to Phoenix. So I think like Pacers fans were really excited about the idea of finally playing the game, quote, unquote. And then in the end, it still doesn't work out for them. And I don't, I don't know if they're, I don't know if the belief is that it was rigged or not. It was just more of like, how can, how can like the Spurs be so good forever? Have a little bit of a tip, get Wimby and then now they're back. And then meanwhile the Pacers were like, you know, playing it the right way, playing ethical basketball, as they say. And then the one year the Pacers are like, you know what we should do? We should try to do what some of these other teams are doing. Let's tank. And then they get punished for it. I think throughout the year, I forget what the, what they get fined or something at one point, like they got, they got the slap on the wrist from the NBA throughout the year because they were, they were tanking too hard. And then in the end, they don't even get a draft pick in the first round. And I think Pacers fans were just like, what the fuck? Yeah. But I mean, what Pacers fans should do is go, you got an incredibly unlucky. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no one cares. I mean, because if you look at the zoo trade, it was two first one and 29. And then this one was going to be top four protected and then protected 10 through 30. So it had a landing in five to nine. So once you saw that Memphis went up, Chicago went up, you're like, okay, you know, something, something's going to happen. It was going to get bounced out of the top four, which is usually what happens anyway. It was a, it was a coin flip. It was like a 50% chance the Pacers were in the top four. But at the same time, the Pacers had the same chance the Wizards had. So I think like the people that are bad at math say, we were in the same seat that the Wizards were in. Yeah. But what happened? And the Wizards got the one. Why did we get the one? But what happens is nobody looks at the downside. It's like 50% of it not working out is not nothing. Yeah. 50% percent. Okay. Like, okay, see, had a 1.5% chance at the number one overall pick because they own the Clippers pick. And that's kind of nothing. Yeah. And boom, like they're, they're right where they were supposed to be. So to ignore, like you, you just got really unlucky. Now you're still going to, if you're the Pacers, you're going to own the 31st unprotected in the zoo deal. So that's what sucks about this. Because it's a difference between like buying some furniture from some place and then saying, okay, no payments for 12 months, 0% interest. And you're like, great. And then the equivalent of like, hey, actually that promotion went away. Like you have to pay for all of your furniture today. And you're like, all right, well this sucks. So look, they were unlucky. It would have been awesome to have healthy Halliburton adding zoo who, you know, statistically is like a top five center. Even if you love the idea of like having spacing with the way that the Pacers play and that he doesn't necessarily provide that. And then you go like, wait, are they that Booser or Peterson or DeBonsa? I want to talk about the top guys because I know you're watching me around. I'm still not where I need to be. Okay. How many people do you think are in the conversation to be the number one overall pick? I think, or do you think it's just one and then the next guy? I think it's probably just one. I I'm a Darren Peterson guy more than most. And I don't know where the public falls on Peterson now. It was obviously a roller coaster throughout the college season. There was a lot of the knives came out. We'll just put it that way. And I don't know if people have softened. I don't know if it's like big creatine got to him and people realized he was a victim and all this. Taking too much creatine. You can take the wrong creatine. Which is that an appropriate explanation for what happened? You're a weightlifting guy. You're a fitness guy. Is taking too much creatine? Did you hear that story? And you're just like, oh, that makes sense? No, I felt like it was pretty strategic like before because I went back and watched that game against, was it AJ, the high school game? Yeah. The prep game. And he does look different. He looks different in a way where the best version of him is better than any player in this draft. That's right. Yeah. So I'm very high on Peterson. I think I was referring to him all year as like the, and I mean this and even- I'm not the head to head game against BYU. Like after that first half, I'm going, hey, don't forget this. Yeah. It was kind of like the Palo Gonzaga game. Yeah. That's right. Where I remember I was like, hey, when you're six months removed from this game, don't forget what happened this night. Daren Peterson was the most polished freshman guard I've ever seen in college basketball. He looked like an NBA player on a college basketball court. And you could say like, we get that a lot. And that's what, you know, what's the difference between that and Cooper Flag and Zion and like all these, and Anthony Davis. I think it was just like the way he moved. And it was like a high level understanding of footwork and angles and like being efficient with your movement and getting a guy, being quick first step. Yes. But then like straight line drives and like the guy is like on your hip and like finishing at the rim and like, it was just stuff like that that just felt so advanced at a level that I've never, I've never seen from a freshman before because I think a lot of these guys come into college basketball having been superior athletes, having, you know, like that's one of the things that would be a concern with the bands. If there is a concern, is like he's so much more athletic, so much longer that he's never really being challenged when he drives and hits his little pull up jump shots. There's never really a hand in his face because he's so much, he's such a better athlete. Peterson, his like understanding, he looks like a guy. I think there's a gap between how much better of a basketball player he is than DeBonce. He looks like a guy that was like, had the raw tools and then was drafted to the NBA team and then spent five years in the league like getting NBA instruction and then now that's where he's at right now. That's how I feel when I see him. But then the off the court stuff or like if you want to call it on court stuff, the, the cramping and the, the, you know, does he have the heart? Does he have the drive? All that sort of thing kind of became the conversation with him this year. And it, and it made sense because you, you heard so much about how great this freshman class was. And he was, he was the guy, he, I mean, like by, I think by the time they entered college basketball, I think he was number one and he was like the guy everyone was excited about. And the way Bill Self was talking about him was like, he's going to carry us and he's going to be, you know, we're, we're just going to put the ball in his hands. And so I think a lot of people got really excited for him. And then in November, he's sitting out all these games. He comes back, but he doesn't really play full games. And then he's sitting out other and it just, I think it just became a runaway train. And where I've landed on it after the season has ended, the dust has settled. We all take deep breaths and like really think about this thing. I just, I don't, I don't think the idea that Darren Peterson hates basketball is a fair, is a fair thing to say. I don't, I don't like that. I don't like that. Like that's what, what the conversation became with him. I don't think you can get that good at basketball, get that skilled and not care about the game. Like I, he wasn't good because he was six, nine and a freak athlete. Yeah. Right. There's some bigs that you go, you hear about and you're like, this guy hates basketball. It's not like, it's not like someone in his life was like, Hey man, I know you want to play trumpet, but you got to play. I'm sorry, you have to play basketball. It's not like that's like, he's good at basketball because he obviously has been in the gym over and over and over and over and has like really worked at his game. So I don't know what really happened. I don't know why. I like, I, I, I wasn't, I wasn't there. I don't really know. It was a creatine. I don't know. I don't, but like, I think that being a college basketball fan and consuming Darren Peters, the way people were talking about him, you would have thought he played 10 games this year that he never once played more than like 25 minutes and then he averaged like 11 points a game when the reality is he missed 11 games about a fourth of the season. That's, that's kind of a lot. But he averaged 20 points a game. He played 30 minutes a game. Like I, I think after November, you only missed two games. There were some heads, the problem was like, it was that multiple week stretch where then it became a national story. And then now all of a sudden like for, it's in the first take atmosphere of like, Oh, these guys are talking about like mid season, like regular season college basketball. It was like, Hey, we've got this topic because it has nothing to do with us having to watch any of these games. And then I think the problem is, is that like, you have to look at who's drafting, right? Does Winger in Washington go, Hey, I've got enough equity here because everybody knows how good I've been at my job and all these other stops that I can go ahead and do this. And the fact that we've already traded for Tray and AD and expect to be healthy around all the other lottery picks that they already have. Like you would think he's probably the safe spot. Utah will do whatever they want to do. Like a front office that would just go, Hey, we're fine. Like I wouldn't be shocked if Utah had the first pick if both the angels and Xana just said, Hey, we actually still like Peterson better even really. Yeah. I mean, I think that they'd be the only front office that would go despite our ownership's attachment to, right? That's what I was going to say. Yeah. We're going to go to our owner and be like, Hey, we like Peter and I think Ryan, the owner would go, Okay. I mean, I know people think I'm crazy because I suggested it like a couple months ago being like, they'd be the one team that goes, I know everybody thinks that we're supposed to take AJ, but if the evaluation is different on this. And then there's other front offices where, and I don't know that that's going to be the case here with Chicago being a new front office, Memphis was that climb and who's terrific, like as respect as it gets. If there was another guy that was like his last year, like, Hey, you have the next 12 months to prove that you shouldn't be fired. Then I think that part of the Peterson decision, like it's going to go to the other guy because you know what will happen if this doesn't work out three years from now, we're just going to be saying, Hey, moron, like this guy was tapping out again. Right. Right. I just, I think it's fair to pause and think about like, if you're a front office, you can't ignore it. You can't ignore it. But I also think that like the conversations about him were ultimately, I don't know if unfair is the word, maybe blown out of proportion. It was the only thing about it was the only college basketball regular season topic that would make it onto shows that would never talk about college basketball. And that was the problem. I mean, he was getting like the Ben Simmons comparisons, which, you know, on the one hand, I think people forget how good Ben Simmons actually was in college and how messed up that LSU team was. Yeah. But then on the other hand, like Ben Simmons was very openly like, I don't want to be here. And I like Ben Simmons wasn't going to class, which I know roll your eyes at like, you know, the student athlete idea. But like at the time it was like, Ben, just, just go to the class and sit there and don't, you know, wanting your draft, wanting your top five player to go to class versus not go to class. I don't think it's a bad thing. Yeah. Yeah. And Ben Simmons was just outwardly like, I don't want to be here. I don't like this at all. I don't like my teammates. I don't like, like, what am I doing? Like, I'm not sure that I blame it for not liking that. When I went back and like, watch all the stuff with him as like, it was four guys that all thought they were the best player on a team. And I was like, this team sucks. But I don't, I never got that vibe with Peterson. There was definitely weird shit going on. I think that like, you know, the, the, there, if you want to be worried about his health, I do think that's like a fair thing to be like, why would it, would an 18 year old, 19 year old have this many cramping problems and have like, this shouldn't be an issue. So, you know, you want to pop the hood on that and do a medical and see what the hell's going on there. I think all that is fair. But I think the, the idea that Darren Peterson doesn't love basketball, doesn't have a competitive drive. I think that is misplaced. And so I'm pretty high on him because I think he is, to me, the best player in this draft. He's, he's the most talented player. He's the guy that moves like an NBA player. And like I said, for all the, for all the conversation about like, he doesn't finish games, he doesn't play game. He ever 20 points a game with incredible efficiency for an offense that like, I think he points like his assist numbers, especially down the stretch in the season. Like he wasn't passing the ball at a level that I think people won out of like a guy who conceivably at the NBA level might be like a, put the ball in his hands and clear out and let him create for others type thing. He wasn't, his assist numbers weren't great. I don't know the chicken and egg situation there because Kansas's offense was terrible. Kansas was, was not good offensively. And I don't know if it was because Darren Peterson's not passing as much, or if he wasn't passing because by, by the end of the season, it was like, you just go do everything for us there. Like you're the only hope we have. So I don't know. I'm pretty high on him. I imagine by the time the draft rolls around and you're like, you're saying with Angel too, and the Jazz at two, um, you know, he took ace Bailey last year. Like ace Bailey was a guy that had a lot of chatter, right? Like he had about his mental makeup and his camp and all that. Yeah. Yeah. You try. You didn't even want to go there. There was all the handling of him. And then, you know, no one ever said like he was a bad guy, but there's definitely some stuff of like this guy might be like a little too immature at this point. But then I remember weeks before the draft, we were doing a pod and I was like, and I didn't even really have intel on it, but I was like, he kind of checks a lot of like the age group over there because Austin is, is running it more so than Danny is, but there's a bit of a like, Hey, we don't care. Like we're just going to go, Oh, Hey, this guy's this big and he's this big of a wing. And that's why I thought that ultimately that they were going to go like, Hey, this is crazy that ace Bailey after this bad year, Rutgers is going to fall this far. Caleb Wilson's like everybody's favorite guy right now. Have you noticed this? Yeah, he's, he's got, he's got, he's a good pre draft guy. He's got a great YouTube highlights. You can't believe he's not going one YouTube highlights, like the physical makeup, the mental makeup. He's a psycho. He's got a very high motor. I think all those things excite you about him. Okay. So when I've made mistakes like in the past, especially when I was younger, these are the guys I make mistakes on because I would just fall in love with them. I'd be like, Oh my God. I mean, Tyrus Thomas is in his own category altogether because he was like playing point card, speaking to LSU big men that played point card. Hmm. I never make that been some of his connection before. These, these freaks that you're like, all right, well, give me that. Yeah, because he figured out later. He's just get them on the team. Yeah. He's at a level that is beyond anybody else that we're going to be talking about here. Yeah. Athletically. But then I'll always stop myself and just ask a simple question like how good of a basketball player is he and you've watched him year round. I know he got hurt at the end of the season. Yeah. What do you think? I mean, North Carolina, when he got hurt, North Carolina was done for. He was, he was that important to them. But yeah, I think he's, I think he's a good, not great basketball player. I think that he's, he's a little bit of a potential play, but I think the physical tools in the motor, I think for me, it would be more of a, he's like a, he's like a, I feel similarly about the Bansa. Like it's, it's, they, they jump off the screen at you when you're watching them, that there's so much more athletic and so much more dynamic. But then you go back and forth of like, when you're playing an NBA game and every guy on the floor is athletic and every guy has length, like how are you going to stand out? But at the same time, you're like, I don't think everybody has length like that. I don't think everybody, like even at the NBA level, I don't think, I think Kayla Wilson is special from a physical profile and from like a motor profile. But like, I do think he's good. I think he's the obvious fourth pick. I would put it that way. And if you, if you want to take him three, if you want to, like, I don't think you take him above Peterson or DeBonsa, but uh, There's a boozer conversation. I think there's a boozer conversation to be had because it's more, it's like a philosophy thing of like floor versus ceiling, you know, and I don't know, I don't know what you think. I don't know what GM's think. I don't know what I think, to be honest with you. I think I go back and forth on that. Um, I'd have a hard time with that one. I'd probably go cam because I think he's just already so smart as a basketball player. I hate, I know how the Caleb thing gets fucked up where it's like, you know, there just wasn't enough polish there. I'll tell you, like a guy who's that athletic and that powerful, if I see a few passes, I mean, I don't need three assists to game. I just need a couple that tells me that you're still aware and he, I think he has that. I think there are other players that are so gifted that they think that possession ends with them whenever they have the ball. It's like, okay, all other options are shut off and I'm just going to figure out a way to get here. There's some pull up jumper stuff that's like really crisp from him, but I'd also say there's a million of those that don't really look that good. If you look at the synergy stuff, like isolation, his points per shot stuff is pretty brutal because there was a lot of like, I'm just going to get to the rim every time that I can. And there's a lot of possessions in there where you're like, all right. So, you know, it's my job on the line. If I'm picking third here, Memphis isn't, but if my job's on the line, that's going to influence it. And I'm going to go, the worst version of Cam Booser is what? Because the worst version of Caleb Wilson is like, I'm not resigning you. Yeah. Yeah. Cam Booser is so fascinating to me because he's been basically the exact same players entire life and the excitement that people have for him at the next level has just, it's just been a roller coaster all season. It's been like, like at the start of the year, when, you know, this was the best freshman class in the history of college basketball, I think, I think that's fair to say. And, you know, the bonds everyone is high on and then Peterson, you know, like I said earlier, by the time he gets to Kansas, it's like, I think he might actually be the guy. But very quickly, it was like, oh my God, Booser is going to win national player of the year. That's obvious. Duke is, I didn't love this Duke roster this year. I thought, like coming into the year that they were demonstrably worse than last year's team. Last year's team was like stacked. Yeah. Last year's team was incredible. This was wild to me. Like when, when I look, I thought Arizona was the best team in college basketball. I didn't do it. Didn't work out. But like when Duke was getting the number one overall seed and then you're right, like unfairly comparing this year's group to last year's group. But my point is, is like the reason they were so good was Camp Booser. And Camp Booser, like right out of the gate, everybody's, oh my God, like not only see the best freshman in the college level, should we, should he be in the number one pick mix? And I feel like by the time the season ended, people just, the way they're talking about him is he just kind of, he like, he just plays like a gross style of basketball that he just plays bully ball and jumps into people and draws fouls. And on some level that there is that there is like a little bit of like, you know, he's, he's limited on the low block with like what he actually does. Like he just kind of like is very physical and grabs rebounds and started getting some angel Reese comparisons, which you never want. You never want the angel Reese comparisons. He was getting that. That was ridiculous. But then, you know, you catch them on in some stretches and he's missing layups and grabbing it and going back and just like and then lays it in. You're like, all right, well, that was cool against guys who were, you know, six, seven big men, or you can be able to do that in the league. The one thing I'll say about him, his IQ was off the charts off the charts. It's on the offense room and it's good. He would, he would bring the ball up for do like they would be, they would be pressuring the guards and he like inbounded, they just throw it right back to him and let him bring it up and initiate the offense. He's a great shooter, extremely skilled. So I find him so fascinating because like when I watched him in November and when I watched him in March, he was the exact same player. He was the exact same player the entire season. The conversations have changed a thousand times about him. Yeah. And he's another guy where like, I'm not really sure where people have landed on him, but it does feel like by the time Duke got upset by Yukon. I mean, people were like, do you even take Can Booser top five? Do you even take like the tournament crushed his momentum coming out of the Michigan game? Because I think after the Michigan game, and then you started looking at the analytics part of it too, where you were just like, is he just finishing up the greatest single like points per possession season we've ever seen? Yeah. And you're like, okay, well, that seems high. Yeah. That seems high that he's, you know, some of the net rating stuff where it's like he just finished up that kind of statistical season. The tournament crushed him a little bit. I think even the TCU game, you were like, you know, although Jamie Dixon, you had those guys ready. You knew that was going to happen. Outside of those guys, let's get through a few names here before we say goodbye to you. Are you a Fleming's or a cuff guy? Wow. Sorry. I think I can't believe I'm saying this because Darius A. Cuff was my favorite player. I think country this year, but I think I'm a Fleming's guy. I think I have to be more of a Fleming's guy. What scares me about A. Cuff is it's hard not to think that he might just be like Trey Young, which for a college guy like me, Trey Young was incredible. Trey Young led the country in scoring assists. That team stunk. That team stunk. Right. And I did think he maybe like had a year of just super bad habits. I have a feeling that Trey Young was going to play like Trey Young no matter what. Yeah. But sometimes I'll wonder like, was that where it went? Like, hey, I am the shit. Yeah. Look at all these points I'm scoring. Look at all my assists. Like, of course, I'm going to do this. And then the officials were like, Hey, we're going to call everything up. Yeah. Like we're going to hook this guy up. Yeah. So I, it's hard because I do think A. Cuff, I said this towards Trey would have loved to have A. Cuff's running mate. Oh my God. That guy's Nath Johnson. Yeah. I said that A. Cuff was Cal's best college guard. I got a lot of pushback for it. I think I know I got a lot of pushback for it. But if you look at actually what they did in college, I think he was, I don't, I stand by it. I think like John Wall and Derek Rose have good cases. Derek Rose wasn't quite as good at colleges. People remember, they just remember that he went, he wasn't the best player on his team, by the way. John, no, but Rose, Rose's weird draft thing was like, it was Beasley all year long. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you're like, Hey, Rose is getting by guys in a way that is Rose was awesome. But I'm just saying like in college, like the one year you had in college, he wasn't doing what he was doing. What's wrong with me? My name is Johnson. But yeah, Johnson on the mind. Sorry. Anyway, my point was like A. Cuff was, A. Cuff was that dude. Like he was, he was incredible. He played his best basketball in their biggest games and Arkansas became like a trendy pick to go far in the tournament just simply because of him. I do worry. Is he just the, the, the Trey young model of not exactly the biggest guy in the world can score and can set up his teammates, but he has to have the ball in his hands at all times. And if he's a traffic cone on defense and he's playing, you know, he gets drafted to a team that already has like a guy who's like, Hey, that's our point guard or that's, that's the, that's the guy we play through. And, and there's a cuff, isn't it? Doesn't have the high usage rate. That does worry me a little bit. That does worry. Is he good enough at creating his own and creating for others that you can like justify, you know, giving him the usage rate that he had at Arkansas? Having said all that, I, I, he was by far the most fun player to watch this year. Like it was, it became appointment television by the end of the year and his aura was off the charts. I don't know how much that factors into your, your draft decisions, but like the cutoff, the cutoff shirt. Oh my God. Like a throwback to the nineties, like having a guy wearing a cutoff T-shirt underneath his shirt. And the braids and like the whole, and like the, he had the sweat band on the off, the off arm, you know, like the whole thing. I was just like, this is, this is awesome. This whole experience is awesome. But yeah, he does feel like a guy that, that you get swept up in and the whole college thing of, you know, but then you realize like he's, he's only what like six, three, six, two. Can I interject real quick? Whoa. He's the perfect Brooklyn net, right? Yeah. Like he, they need that guy. Yeah. They need any sort of relevance. There's like, Hey, give him the ball and just figure it out. Like when you put butts in seats, like who cares if you're actually good or not? Like he is, he's a perfect Brooklyn net. That is true. Yeah. He's a, that's a great point. Go come out and watch Jerry's a cuff go for 20 and 10. We don't know if it's, he'll probably be there. Michael Porter Jr. goes back to 12 points a game. How about that guy? He just can't help himself. He was like, you know, after I was a name in an all star, like, I don't really feel like playing a ton. You're like, Oh, that's, that was part of the calculus of Denver going, we're good. We need to move on. The re litigation of famous like, no, I think I know who he is. Yeah. No, I mean, he's just, he was making literally every shot the first three months of the season. But I'd say that the cow guard thing though, like you just trust John Cal Perry guards. Like you trust guys that young guys that can't play defense, it doesn't bother me. And when I watched him, I think he just starts the defensive position in a horrible stance. Yeah. So like there's things that you could say like, Hey, can we try this? Yeah. And like, you still might suck on defense. And then I remember like being on draft shows, because I'd be at the draft, I would do it for radio and then you could see the TV broadcast and like, if there was some guard that was questionable defensively, they'd be like, how's he going to stay in front of Russell Westbrook? Like nobody fucking stays in front of Westbrook. Like it doesn't, there's guys that are going to have help defense. But you're, you're right. Like if you already have another small guard, like if it were Philly, say without VJ or Maxi, but one of those already in place, and then you said, Hey, I'm throwing a cuff into this, then you would go, okay, because I don't like drafting based on need or fit. Just go ahead and take the best player. That's when you, you'll make mistakes, but there are times you go, yeah, you guys actually can't do this. And I think Saruti's point about the nets is right on. That was good. Jumping. Yeah. So like Fleming's, Fleming's is a guy that you could put him on any team. And I think he's, this is back to the basketball player versus like some of the other stuff. I want to talk about Aimee because he was like the consensus. I'd like him to go back because I think of teams and other people going like, I think he could be really, really good. Oh yeah. Yeah. Is you want to talk about like somebody who when it's right looks like, okay, kind of back to like the debonza, Caleb Olson stuff that we're talking about. I think his personality is probably a little bit too deferential. And you've got a guard situation there where it's like, Hey, I'm going to get my looks here. So if you disappear, like that's kind of on you. I know the numbers weren't always there for him. And then there was like Rick Barnes kind of saying like, Hey, you got to start playing like that guy. There are glimpses. And then there's moments where like 6 10 with that kind of handle, you go, this, this is the prototype of the guy that you're like, all right, I'll, I'll take that bet as opposed to some of the other stuff. Yeah. I think the, the mental makeup of like, like you said, he's different, the differential he's soft as an, as an award I would like to use, but I'm too stupid to think of a better word at times. Freshman, freshman, freshman, he was a freshman. He was a, he was very, very frustrated because all he has all the talent in the world. And you're right. I, with this NIL era, he feels like a perfect guy to come back, make $5 million next year at Tennessee, and then maybe be the number one pick in this draft. You know, like he's, he's that good. I don't think he's, I don't think he's really ready. He is a little bit more of a project, but yeah, when he was on, he was, he was something. I mean, he could, he could shoot, he can handle, he's 6'10". He looked like a legit perimeter guy at that size. Like I don't want to call him Durant because that's not what I'm doing, but it was the, when it was good, you go, oh, shit. Yeah. Like this is what, this is why this guy is on everybody's radar, you know, signing day. Yeah. No, I like him, but I, he is someone that I was hoping would come back. I was hoping he would come back because I would like to see more fire from him. I would like to see more of a, yeah. They want to start the clock. They want to start the NBA earnings clock. I know. That's, that's, it doesn't matter. Like, oh, if you NIL and then next year you go this much higher, then this is your locked in rookie salary. It's like, no, no, no, I want, I want to get to those four years to figure out if I'm starting the NBA earnings clock. That's basically what, I don't know if that's specific to him, but that's usually what happens. Can we go through, because we raved about Wogler. We've done that. I like Sennac. Really? I do. Why? Why? This might be like a Jeremy Sohan thing all over again. Like, Sohan, you had to go, like, I loved him, but I go, this is going to not be for everybody. And I didn't expect him to play point guard, but that was also tanking. I'm like, just give me Sennac late teens, early twenties, and let me just have him out there and wreck things. But if you're going to ask him to like do stuff, do stuff, then we could run into some problems. He had a stretch where I think he missed 400 threes in a row. And I was throwing shit at my television just saying, why are you doing this? Yeah, he took 93s this year. 33% a little higher than you. Yeah, higher than higher, higher than you would you just, you don't even have to give me a snack breakdown. These armrests fucking give me, give me some guys later that you like. Okay. I can't believe like there's one mock today and it's from a guy I like, so I'm not going to call him out, but he has co-op go on 24th. Whoa. I couldn't, I love co-op. Yeah. Let me see. What about Isaiah Evans? I don't know where he's mocked. I don't know what it was. He's the late first guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's a, he kind of saved their ass offensively. Some of those tournament games. I think the, the, his reputation was just a catch and shoot guy. And this year I feel like he was way more than that for them. I think he, like last year, that was basically all he did. He just kind of spot up and hit threes, but he's added so much to his game and I like him a lot. Um, Would you take mom, Sheila Vitra, Braden Smith? It's a tough one. It's a tough one. I just see Braden Smith going like 30 to 40 all the time. And I'm like, I hate, I hate this for the kid because fucking kid did it. Yeah. But if I were in the war room, I go, What are we doing? What the fuck are we doing? Can we take like a kid from Senegal who started playing last year? Like let's just do this. If this was, I feel like if this was like 1986, Braden Smith is top 10 pick. Uh, and somewhere along the line, GM's got a little smarter and they were like, yeah, like, he's still, that's where I see him like going 33. I go, are they going to figure out that right block pump fake? Yeah. Better than college. You can see exactly what I'm talking about. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, dude. It's pumping. Every other guy pump fakes like this, Braden Smith just goes like this and it works. It works. It worked all the time. It worked all the time. What about the, what about the Michigan big guys? Like more as Johnson and a day, Mara. I don't know. I love, I love Mo Johnson, but I'm scared to death of like, how good of a basketball player is he? And if you're telling me, I can get him like 23. Yeah. I would think about it. I think Mara's passing is terrific, but at least with Mara, like there's times I watch the NBA and I go, you guys can't get any kind of like, not empty sabbath, like have two and then three, three shooters on the right side and you can't let Wemby, Julius Randall's on him, like catch it on the block. Like you can't do it once. You can't run one fucking traditional post up. And so that was always like my Edy thing is like, even if you like all of this stuff, how often are you going to run it? And then how much does that hurt your spacing? If John Morant is the number one option for you, but you know, look, that whole thing's been overhauled. And I think to Edy's credit, like he's, he's, um, his nastiness is going to keep him in the league a long time. Like Edy's gets some shit to him where he's like, I'm going to, I'm going to go with other guys. I'm not just like this big dude. So what made me like Edy, by the way, is he hates our guts. He's a barstool. He just fucking hates us because we, we like me and, me and big cat will like talk shit about him just because we're big 10 guys and we didn't. Yeah. But I feel like I found that out there. Like, like Edy just hates and I was like, I actually kind of like that. I like that. He's, if he's aware of like, he's aware of his critics. I didn't, what I didn't like about the Edy thing, which ended up sounding anti Edy is that there was like a lot of advanced people, advanced numbers guys going like, we're overthinking this. And I'm like, I don't think this is what we are. Cause like, whatever his advanced numbers are doing offensively for him, it's, it, I just don't think anybody's going to run some of this stuff. Anyway, the point about Mara is that like the thing that gives him a better chance is they probably ran a lot more of their offense with him higher and his passing. So if you think, I mean, but there's also just like a lot of these bigs where I go, what's the value? Is there enough value with all the other stuff to know that are like, we have somebody that's going to get absolutely hunted by other teams and defense and bring him up? Ben, it starts. I like him. I like him a lot. One word. Fluid. Fluid. I do like my wrong. No, I actually do like him. I mean, I don't, yeah, he's not, he's not, I don't think he's going to wow you, but he's, he's, he's so good. He's a, another word. Fluidity. Fluidity. Yeah. Yeah. Some could say it's same family. Give me, give me one guy you hate. You're rooting. No, it might be. Honestly. Seneca, a candidate for Kelvin. Like I, Sennak is a candidate for GM's calling Kelvin Sampson. Be like, Hey man, we love your big man. We love them. Tell us more about why we strapped them. Kelvin just go, uh, so you love them, right? And they're like, yeah, we love them. We love what we're seeing from you. All right. Then, then, then I guess I don't need to say, like, I feel like Kelvin Sampson, I feel like Chris Sennak drove Kelvin Sampson insane the entire season. And the fact that he kept letting him play, I know, tells you all the other stuff was that good. So maybe I'm reading too much into that, but maybe I get to snack late. I still have some work to do once in a while. But you know, if I'm looking for an energy guy to come in, impact the game, fly around like a crazy person. Um, yeah, I, uh, realized I have to let you go. You guys have to start your show. How long you guys in town? You're here all week. We just did. We came to town just for this, for this, for this, for this. And then we're leaving tonight. Just want to use your studio and then bounce. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. It was even better than we were hoping. Yeah. I stopped Brandon at the hallway when I, when I bounced didn't say hi. I didn't know. I didn't know what to do. I don't know. He didn't, I don't know if I had him on the floor of the eye. I'm not sure. This is a disaster. I don't know. It feels like there's beef, but there's not beef. Oh, we are taking up the room and we're getting away in the prep. You guys usually prep in here? No, no, if you, you, you obviously haven't watched our show. No, we don't. Yeah. Prep is not something we exactly do. Oh, this was fun. Mostly sports. What do you guys, you guys have a festival this summer, right? Mostly sports festival. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly fast. Logistics that have to be more. Mostly fast. That actually, mostly fast. Yeah. It doesn't sound like a terrible title for something. Are you doing, are you doing any other, are you doing shows right here? Yeah. Wake up. I'm going to do PMT, but I think I'm going to do something else. Mincey and I, we're going to do something. I think we're going to get a, we're going to do something on the lake sitting here with a guy with a boat. Maybe a baseball game. Yeah. The Yuck station with Dana beers. I think I'm doing Rico's pod. But they said it was outside. He'll do that from time to time. Chef Donnie was asking if I could come in because you know, we spent some time together, Vegas, and he was like, could you maybe come in next week? We could chef something up because I used to be, you know, I wasn't a line cook. I never made it that far, but I was a prep cook at a restaurant. No kidding. Pretty fancy restaurant. Yeah. So I was like, I have a couple of recipes, but I'm like, when are you going to fucking have time in the middle of the day? So that's probably not going to happen. Oh, we were supposed to have wine too, because my, the wine is here and I owe, how do you pronounce Che's last name? Che. Somali Che. Oh, you're going to do Somali Che. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know that I can drink in middle of the day if I have other stuff going on. It's usually you can get in the way of stuff. All right. All right. We're out. Thanks, man. Thanks. There's no better place to watch the NBA playoffs than at Cosm. I've been wanting to check it out. It looks like you can go court side and share reality as Cosm's massive LED dome surrounds you. A Jason to the dome is the hall made for the fans. It's your game day headquarters with every game all at once on a wall to wall LED display. Great food and drinks delivered to you in your seat. When you can't be there, be at Cosm. Get your tickets and get court side at Cosm.com today. So he's going to hang out for this one. I guess I just wanted to share a little bit about the lottery drawing experience because I had never done it. We're all aware of what it is, but I was invited by the NBA as a media member to go. So like Windhorst has done it. I guess the joke is like Zach Lowe has more than anyone and they're actually trying to research like if it's I don't know if it's 18 years that he's done it or whatever. So nothing was all that surprising. Like you go in, it's in Chicago. Obviously that's why we're here, but it's not always in Chicago. And you just go into this like a holding area where you're just milling around. There's food. Everybody's talking to you over phone and then like right at 1245 local time somebody comes over and it's like, okay, follow the people that are approved. Follow us. You lock up your phone, no laptop. You can't have anything obviously because you're going to know the order of the lottery like an hour before everybody else knows it. And then you walk into this room that has all of these like boards up that show all the different combinations of the four balls that come up because basically the process is 14 balls, number one through 14. They draw four and then each team based on their lottery odds is assigned however, whatever percentage of the combination. So if you had 14% chance, the number one overall pick, you had 140 balls, 140 combinations of those four balls. So if it came up 1234 and that was your combination, that means you get that pick. If it comes up 1432, it's the same thing. That's your combo and you would have 140 different combinations off of the four drawn balls. Whereas okay, C had a 1.5% chance of the number one picks. That means they have 15 different ball combinations. So like kind of put it all in perspective. So you go in each team has a representative, again, maybe 10 plus media members and then the NBA has officials in there. So maybe there's 30, 40 people total. But then when you actually like watch it play out security brings the woman with the actual ping pong balls where she's from Ernst and Young. So it's all like improved. They cut open the box with like scissors. All right. They drop in the 14 balls. They turn on the machine. There's one guy behind the balls. And then there's another guy whose back is turned to the actual mechanism to draw the balls like the lottery like everybody knows what I'm talking about. The first ball is drawn after a 20 second stopwatch time, where then the guy who's facing the corner raises his hand to signal to draw the first ball. And then they draw the next three balls every 10 seconds based on the guy's stopwatch and then hand signal. And so you figure out again, because the TV it goes in the reverse order, but the first one is for the first pick and then it's Washington, right? Winger just totally like I thought I thought it was going to be kind of like wild in there and the reactions it was it was very subdued room maybe because it was a little chalky. Well, that's one of the things that didn't really mean I guess it makes sense, but didn't don't me is like there's that gap between like who at the who's at those like deaths like the Mallory eat it would. Yeah, that box zone or whatever. There's daughters everyone loves. They don't know, but but like these guys in the room do know like Winger would know. So that's such a weird like gap of not knowing and like these just these guys being like, Hey, I have this huge news that I just like I'm the only one that knows this right now is kind of wild. So I was always like, yeah, like the reactions from those people are genuine because they don't know the results, but the people that are very close to them do. Yeah, right. I mean, because you're not we're all sequestered in the room. We can't leave the room. None of us have phones like there's no television broadcast happens and you're just sitting there watching the broadcast. Like did you watch the yeah, watching the broadcast, you know, and you're like, Hey, I can't wait to see the reaction. Yeah, but don't know. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So then Utah gets the second one and then it's like, all right, little fired up and Memphis gets the third one. Then it's like everybody's kind of going like, I wonder if the Pacers are going to get jumped here. Wait, who was the paint was Prichard in there? Who was the representative? It was Prichard wasn't in there. No, I didn't know every team representative because like sometimes like I felt like I went up to Joe Sy because we have a mutual friend. And I was like, Hey, um, and he's like looking at me like, dude, we just ended up with this thing. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, he was super nice to you, but you could just see like, what is riding on the outcome of these things? And for the Pacers, it just worked out the worst possible luck that it that it could have worked out. And then Chicago jumps up, which, you know, is interesting because it's entirely new for an office. And then you start going like, all right, and then the rest of it is just set in. So, so there you go. And then you wait around. You wait around for like, I don't know, 45 minutes, an hour. And then I walked one thing finally let us out. It's after the TV show has happened. And then you walk kind of downstairs where the TV show where all the people on TV, like again, those people don't know, we've actually watched the woman pack up the envelopes, like the actual reveal envelopes for TV, they're inside of the sequestered room. But I mean, unless it's some like David Copperfield type of shit that I'm not thinking about when you see it, like I'm not a conspiracy guy. I don't want to be naive and think that nothing is sort of weird. But when you watch it play out, and I know we'll get some stupid emails about it, but we can go how deep does it go? You know, I could the ping-pong ball lady with the bag, like she manipulates who has however, you know, I mean, like how big do we want to make in the in the room, it could be fine. You don't know the ping-pong balls, we all screwed up. There's your, there's your conspiracy theory. But, but I don't like that the balls would react a certain way based on the combination she would figure out. So she just, she just really wanted the wizards to get it this year. Yeah. Yeah. I don't believe in any of that kind of stuff. I don't either for the record. Yeah. Yeah. Because too many things that have to happen, that was like, that doesn't make any sense. Why would that, why would the league want that to happen? Right. There were like three or four different ones that were picking up steam this week of like, oh, this happened. So now this is going to happen. And then none of those things that were theorized or happened is that's the best part about being like a short-term conspiracy person. A long-term, I feel like you have to put more hours in, but short-term, you just fire a mouse lizard. Yeah. Well, I will say, I mean, you could argue that this is the, you know, you have the wizards who gave up the 83 point most embarrassing game of the season, right? And then the jazz who have had several of the most embarrassing games of the season, I was one of them. The magic were dead to rights and the jazz just stripped Sathar Ghazan the fourth quarter and gave up a game that they had no business losing. Those are the two teams that pick one and two. Like, the league would be like, those are the two most egregious tankers. Yeah. I guess maybe the conspiracy is like, hey, on the way out on the last one, we'll hook the teams up. Yeah. I will say the wizards deserve, like the wizards, you know, their division rival, like, you know, they've, they've had like no good things in their franchise history. Like they deserve something. Jeff Malone. Yeah. With all due respect to John Wall. Yeah. I mean, the wizards haven't had good lottery luck. I mean, you can say, hey, they had Sarba, they had, they had the second pick and what's going down is like, they could have reason to ship. Right. Yeah. Utah hasn't felt like they've picked as high as they had hoped, you know, whether it's the Cooper stuff last year, Washington, you know, again, you can, you can bring it up. So, but Washington overhauled the whole thing. I'm just excited to talk to Winger. I can't wait. So that was, that was actually pretty cool. Cause like there's some people in the room that I had never met before. So that part was good. And then I was able to kind of go like, well, now you have to come on the show because you got the number one pick. So it was a good time there with like security and, you know, guys obviously like making sure nobody's leaking anything or moving like you just had to stay in this room. We have to go to the bathroom. Somebody walked you to the bathroom. You can't go to the bathroom. Well, I don't know. I didn't need to. I don't, I imagine if you're like, I have to, then there's this one security guy that was there kind of walking everybody around. Cause like on the way out, he said something to me and I was just like, well, I'm just trying to leave. Like what's going on? A lot of those guys are pretty, pretty intense. I don't know. I don't know what the bathroom role is there, but I didn't, I didn't have to break it, but it's not, it's not like tense. Like I can't believe I'm not, uh, you know, like, ooh, I don't want to do the wrong thing. Like you're just walking around. There's not much to do. There's really not much to do. And then, and honestly, once they start the TV show, you're thrilled because there's like something to do. Yep. You know, like I wasn't going to go up to Sam Presti and go, would you've taken Can Booser one? Just cause I think now that we know, yeah, yeah. Now you don't have to. Then he would turn to you and be like, how do you know I'm not going to trade up for Can Booser? And you'd be like, oh, shit. Presti did it again. Like the most, uh, I don't, what's the word I'm looking for? Like the biggest guy in the room kind of thing. If you have the biggest presence. Ooh, the most aura. Uh, he's probably like the headliner name that was in there. Yeah. But he just hangs in the shadows, man. Yeah. Yeah. Did he talk to anybody? Uh, we had a quick exchange. Okay. But not basketball. So now we didn't, we didn't dive. I mean, hey, how's it going? Good to see you. You know, one of those seats, just not, he's not here for the bullshit, man. He's all business. I respect it. Yeah. Yeah. All business. Presti. All right. I'm glad he had a good time. I'm glad I did it. I don't need to do it again. I'm going to be Zach. No, I want it done. I will not have that won't be my thing. Before we get to life advice, the alliance marches on what, uh, what are the results from last week? I think we went one and two. Kyle did hit you and I lost. Damn. So we're running out of sports games, boys. I mean, it's just going to be official that this was my year soon. You guys don't pick it up. Uh, all right. Well, minus 180 Kyle, the board's yours. I mean, all right. You're going to talk shit. Tell us what you're telling us. I think if we go ahead and know what your minus 190 is, and we'll pick straight stuff. I think I'm minus 168 today, actually. Oh, and, uh, thanks for leaving some shit for us. I'm taking, uh, Edwards, uh, 25 or more points, 25 or more points. And, uh, you know, the rest is up to you guys. Oh man. Tensions are high. Okay. We'll meet on the bone minus 168. That's not bad. You throw three of those together. We'll be in the right zone to win more than two or three of those. You got to work here in more than two-thirds of the weight. Yeah. Uh, okay. Jesus. I'm going to take Wemby four or more blocks. Whoa. Yeah. I think this is a, like the Spurs, like they can't fuck around. It's like, if they, like, this is a big huge game, obviously. That's a three now. He missed the last game with obviously getting kicked out. Like this is, this has to be a huge Wemby spot. I don't always trust the points with him, but I do trust the defense. So give me Wemby four or more blocks. Mine is 141. Okay. Yeah. It's not my huge difference. Well, it kind of is. It is actually. I'm going to go Spurs minus 10 and a half for all the reasons Suri just pointed out. Uh, they almost get game four, game one. I feel like, like when it's been right, you know, in the game, when the series have looked the way that I think it's supposed to, I think the Spurs are, are just clearly better than this team and even ants, heroics in game four. Uh, well, we'll see, but I would much rather, I know it's a huge number. I would much tip off. I'd feel way more comfortable laying that 10 and a half than taking it. Me too. And I'm hoping draft Kings will catch me out of my Spurs finals, winners bets after the series. So that gets the plus four 80 boys. So that, you know, not bad. So you guys both owe me an apology. Thanks. What would it be if you took an even bet and even money? Don't worry about it. We'll attend the segment. All right. Fine. All right. The segment. So on your own. Yeah. There you go. Sportsbook. draft Kings.com. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Today's live advice is brought to you by Microsoft 365 Copilot. What if you could add an AI assistant to your work without leaving your workflow built on a Microsoft Word, Excel, and Outlook Copilot works where you work, helping you do more in the apps you are to use. In Word, Copilot helps turn scattered notes into a first draft and Excel. It generates insights from your data and an Outlook it cuts through the noise to get you up to speed faster. The apps you know, go further with Copilot. Learn more at m365copilot.com slash work. What is up guys? The cashmere thing. We're going to start there. I just saw a picture of me. You forget here, Barstool. Just everybody films every fucking thing you do. Yeah, we walked out of the most of sports studio table with Titus and just instantly a phone in your face and I was like, do I talk? What's happening? I knew I was just in the way. So I was like, let me just get my big ass out of here because I know I'm in somebody's shot. But again, I don't know where to go. Wait, are you talking to Brandon? Who are you talking to? I don't remember. I think at first it was Connor and they were like, hey, can we get you on most of sports? And I'm trying to say yes to everything I can this week while I'm here, but I also have to go to the combine too. So we'll figure it out. And but then I looked at the, I was like, there was a video posted five minutes after it happened and I went, what the fuck is this? And then we're still a little snubs, bars to a point. And then I was like, uh-oh, the cashmere side angle again. Yeah. I was like, these are, these are not, this is a completely different same brand, same style, same make back to it. But it's it's the different shirt and then those side angles are tough. And the manufacturer letter maybe they probably would appreciate that. Probably just a different shirt. Like maybe a, you know, different brand. Super comfy. Nice. I think it's more of a stance thing with you though. It's not, I'm not trying to suck up. But like it really is like the way you stand, like you just puff your, your, like your whole front just puffs out, you know? So anyway. Okay. I thought we had a follow up. Oh yeah, we do. Genghis Khan. No, boy. Yeah. No, it's good though. It's good. I mean, you know, like if you're, we don't, we get plenty wrong, but if you can just try to help out as opposed to I hope your family dies. And there's two, there's two ways of going about this. 511 210 bench PR 385. Wow. Well, I'm going to, He's 510. I'm going to listen to whatever this guy has to say. A deadlift 515 squat. Not worth mentioning. Player comp. I drive left and shoot threes. Okay. Listener, since we're still in Canal days, watching on daytime ESPN, I remember thinking it was odd for this man bun having producer to have a knighthood. It was only after a few years later that I found out the correct pronunciation. Man bun. So I thought I'd help you out there. Was it ever technically a man bun? Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it was. Every day. He's not shy about that. Yeah. Would you say they're definitely never doing that again? I do miss some aspects of the long hair. I'm growing it out a little bit again. I did just get it cut trimmed a little bit. So I'm not quite going the bun situation, but yeah, I, my wife liked it. So that was cool. Do you know what wolfing is? Is that when you let the back of your neck hair get gross? That's what I call it. Yeah. That was a rat tail. No, no, like that like, you don't like twist it into a little gross thing. I just mean you just let it go. Okay. That's what I thought it was. A rat tail is ever coming back. Yeah, they are in certain parts of the country. I'd even say maybe in certain parts of the Kipsey. Yeah. I think it's like a hipster, like not a hipster thing, but you know, like there's dudes in Brooklyn just have rat tails. I feel like. Do they? Yeah. Because now like the, what is it? The baby mullet is kind of a thing too. It's back, but you're kind of wondering if that was just leaking under the surface the whole time, but you can kind of only pull it off. You're like a real hot dude though. You know, I saw New Zealand. Like they were ahead of us. That's exotic. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like New Zealand is behind this music like Lady Gaga is just killing it right now there. But that side shave thing when I was kicking it, New Zealand, I, it's on the travel pod. I was like, this, this bushwhacker thing and now it's PFT has it. And a mustache. Look, look out. Yeah. The mustache things, I think a little out of hand right now. There's some guys just rocking mustaches all over the place. Could I ask you this question? We were, so my dad just said, we just had his 70th birthday party and he had a mustache for like most of his life. Shaved it probably when he had like a mole. So that's why he always had it. But like dude's being like the 80s classic reason. It was a mustache. Like Tom Selleck, whatever. But that was because like they thought it was hot, right? Whereas now it's like ironic. Like most guys don't have it because like, man, this mustache is going to be really hot. But back then it was like, that's a hot dude with a mustache. There's like five guys with like prominent mustaches here. I don't know. A lot of them. Maybe it's just a look. Big cats out of mustache for a little while. Yeah. He could pull it off though. Hey, you kind of, you know, when you can pull it off is when you don't notice it. Yeah. When you're like, Hey, that guy's not trying to pull off. I don't think they're ironic anymore. I think dudes are and it's been going on for a while. Speak of Brooklyn. All right. So while I'm not a PhD in history focusing on the Mongolian empire and its respective successor states, I am a dedicated hobbyist of medieval Mongol history. I'm constantly on the lookout for new scholarly publications on the subject. And I try and stay up to date on all the latest research. By the way, this is a hole in my game. If you can recommend this email or when he hears this reading this, can you follow up with this email and tell me your best Mongolian stuff? Like the best book. I want the one definitive book that you feel like is the best and it has to do with, you know, Genghis Khan. Right. I'd like him in it. So Rudy's buddy was right or he was the least more right. The name Chinggis Khan is actually a title that he gave to himself. His birth name was Timojin. Yeah, I knew that. The name Genghis Khan came about as a result of Arabic and Persian translators trying to put Mongolic words into their script resulting in common spelling of Genghis Khan. This made its way to the European languages eventually including English as Genghis. Ultimately, the titles would have sounded more like Genghis Khan as the word Khan would have sounded more like the modern word Han in medieval Mongolian. There you have it. So Chinggis was his given name and lost in translation kind of got to Genghis Khan. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's one of those things that people love to set straight. That's right. You know that. You don't miss an opportunity to tell people that. Yeah, I think that's one of those. I don't know what another example would be, but that's one of that. Well, if you know that. Abitha. Yeah, it's like Barcelona. Yeah, but the thing with Abitha is that you can call it both work. But I was there. I'm like, what's the story with this? You know, like, yeah, they actually kind of both work. So like if you're doing Abitha and correcting people, if they'd say Abitha, you're actually the worst than the Genghis Khan corrector. If you have, if you do that accent, like the real go into Spanish thing, I kind of, that's a little weird. Like, you know, you only go like 90% there. Don't go full the way there. You're not like when a sports center anchor would have like a Brazilian soccer player, and then they would do that. And then they're also from like Milwaukee. Most of them would just pronounce the one word just changes and they go right back to there. It's funny. Yeah, like we don't know the till day, you know, okay, we get it. My stepmom was a Spanish teacher. So you can guess I took Italian. And I was like, I don't, I don't want any more. Wait, you didn't take Spanish? No, no, I took Italian. She was a retired or like out of not out of work. She was like a stay at home mom or whatever. But she had like logged some years as a Spanish teacher when it became time to pick a language. I was like, she's not going through my backpack anymore than she has to. So I just went and took a different, different route. Spanish would have been so helpful because then I had to take it in college because they didn't offer Italian. Yeah, we talked. Yeah, it's tough. I had a buddy took a Latin high school, dead language. Just wanted to be different. That's kind of fun though. They get rid of it at Rushmore. But they were able to see. Because it's the building blocks of all the whatever you're But I don't think it actually teaches you any other language. No, it doesn't. I could be wrong. Somebody's an email and I'm sure I'm wrong, but it just, I've seen some Latin things. Like I don't know that you learn Latin. Oh yeah, I could figure out all the other romance languages. Just to end that point though, it is always funny. Like the whitest girl you know, like Roland, her ours in Spanish, you're like, all right. Yeah, people would say that's respectful. I don't know. I don't think it is. I don't think that's why they're doing it. I don't like it. I'm just gonna be on record. I remember the Olympics. It was like Dara Torres. She came back and like she was older. She was swimming and then I was with this co-host where he just couldn't stop. He was like Dara Torres. And he was and he was from, like he talked like I do. Yeah. And I even was like, what are you doing? It's a Dorchester. Yeah, brought to you by Modelo. That actually works. But I don't think we have reach for that anymore. Just a quick follow up to close that one. I think Genghis Khan sounds cooler than Chinggis Khan. Yeah. 1,000%. Yeah. Genghis Khan. Maybe it's to my western brain. Genghis Khan is one of the coolest, most badass names of the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's see here. Should we do a history like battle draft or Genghis Khan go? That sounds like some summer shit that I'd be into. Probably be high. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it sounds a little bit like who would your, whose dad would beat up who's in the bus? Yeah. Make your kids. So it all would be like, yeah, if you pick him, it's pretty tough to like, the second pick is definitely. Taff was a trust buster. All right. Do the bride and groom want me to bang the maid of honor? Please advise. Wow. All right. Six. Funny enough, I think sometimes it's yes, but I'll, I'll, you want, yeah. Oh, we already know. No, listen, I just, we need to get to the lukewarm bomb. No, but I'm saying if he, if it turns out, I'll let you go. If it turns out that he is the best man, that might be a thing they're into. All right. Six one, one, nine or one, 90, one, nine or works to probably. If you take off player comp luke, Mba Muhtay will never call myself a shooter, but do all the dirty work tough finishes, board stocks, dominant on the flag football field, sorry, advanced long email. Buckle up. My best friend of 15 years is getting married the next six months. Let's call him John. We've been friends for so long. Have been through college, living together, et cetera. I wasn't surprised to know I got the best man nod. We're 25. So first time for me, flattered and happy about it all. John's fiance picked her childhood best friend as her maid of honor, who she still keeps in constant contact with, but lives out of state. Let's call her Hannah. And I know, so I know Hannah and have been in group settings with her, say five, 10 times over the years, however, for three years, basically the whole time. I was in my own serious relationship. Then ended around nine months ago. Now the weddings in about six months, they sit me down and tell me the following. They've got the venue and for us, the wedding party gets to stay at the rooms. It said venue. Great, right? Here's the thing. The venue is very extravagant, but very old. There are a select few rooms in this venue, so everyone will have to share a room. They're plan is for me and John to share a room until the night of the wedding. And his fiance and Hannah do the same. Then after the wedding night, they want to switch. That would make way more sense. And have me and Hannah stay together so the bride and groom can as well. There are no extra rooms and the wedding party is already not very big. The old switcheroo. Hey, you don't really know each other. My theory is out because this is just bad planning. Okay. My theory is out. At the risk of sounding like a D. They've told me that Hannah has a thing for me several times before. They remind me back in. My theory is totally correct. Even way before my last relationship started, they joked her and I should date. But to be frank, which I've told him, I'm not in a rush to date right this second. And as someone who spent a large part of my last relationship doing long distance, I have a little less interest in that as a real possibility. John also knows I've had a few situationships in the past nine months. John says this is a layup. Somehow to him, there's no downside here. They even told me she's aware and is quote good with it. She's awesome. Nothing against her. Pretty smart. We get along great. You know how many guys would fucking kill you do to change spots with you? They're listening. But they know this is how I feel. And they still do this. Do I use this as an excuse to get after a night of partying and be completely noncommittal about it? Is that even possible in this situation? This guy's 25. He's going to ask us 700 questions in a row. Obviously, if I met this girl out socially or even online, and had the possibility of a one night stay, and I wouldn't be as hesitant, but I wouldn't be worried about John and his fiance knowing how things went there after, or about her much at all for that matter in a weird way. Again, a flatter, especially considering I did sleep with one of the brides, other friends during college a few times, then moved on relatively quickly. Maybe they do want us to date despite my warning signals. Maybe John is just an idiot. Maybe I'm overthinking this. Yes, you are. Maybe I just need to wait till the day of until everyone had had some drinks, see what the vibes are, and address her directly and honestly, if it seems like a possibility. I don't know what to do. Any insight would be appreciated. Obviously, no need to address all the questions, but I have almost no opinions from others. That was a long email. Usually, we say it's not, but that was. But I guess so just to get the time. They are going to share a room. Yeah, on the wedding night. That's insane. Yeah, but they've known each other for a while. They're trying to set them up with each other. I mean, you also have to like normally, most guys would be emailing in being like, hey, I'm not afraid to get after it. Like I've got to keep it between the rails Thursday, Friday, Saturday day to then close this, never flirt with anyone else. Yeah. And I haven't seen like six of these guys in forever. Like you have to be on constant like good impression alert for 46. Why did I say 46 hours? 48 because I was thinking like I throw 60 hours in there. And instead it's described as the layup and he's bummed out. I don't know. I think silly because I think it was too late for me because I really didn't get a real invite to a wedding until I was kind of solid in my relationship where we were going. But it's so funny how different the mission certain people have at weddings. Like a guy who's there with his girlfriend or wife. It's like they're there for one type of wedding open bar. That's sick. Oh yeah. They're playing T-Pain. Let's go. Right. Yeah. And there's another guy who didn't bring his plus one and is just fucking scoping tables. And it seems like he may have done that if it wasn't already like in his lap. You know what I mean? It seems like he might have like actually taken the time to look around the wedding and see what's up. But now that it's like here, it's like, it's almost like, I don't know if too easy is the word, but it's like I don't think that's like, I don't want to be a part of a club that would want me. I don't know. I think in his head he's like, do I feel like I'm gaming the system here? Is like, I don't like the layup. And like, yeah, your friends are now going to hear about this whole thing. Right. And do you want all that? You want all that put on blast from you. But they understand that this is like, this is an arrangement that was because of whatever the rooms and the amount of heads they have and that she kind of likes them. But nobody's like, well, it'd be great if you guys could just fucking be boyfriend and girlfriend after this. Like, I don't think they're playing Matt. I love how they the wife is. They've like laid the groundwork for, yeah, he's not really that into like dating. I got into like, no, but she's cool. She's cool. Yeah. She every single time. Why you're overthinking this? There was another part of the email where he's like, well, you know, if it was someone that I'd met socially that had no connection to this, then I wouldn't have to worry about what the bride and groom would think about. I get that follow ups. I don't care. I kind of get that. Yeah, I don't know. You can't look. Sure. In some scenarios, you're totally right. This one apparently is not at all unless they were, you know, nothing funnier is that they're just overselling this just so they can make the room thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but that would be a way that would be tough. And you're like, hey, hey, just tell them, tell it like play along. Vibes are good. Couple drinks. She builds like a pillow for an arm touch. And then you show up and there's an army cot in there. Yeah, we found a trundle. Yeah, you listen. Promises have been made. I actually think the email is going to screw it up. But you're going in hot with all sorts of inner thoughts. But yeah, but then think about like the whole time people are like, hey, like, you know, she walks by like, yeah, only five more hours. Nudging you the whole time. Like, because I imagine just like other people are probably aware of this other than the bride and groom. But the bride and groom are more excited about this than they do their wedding, which is kind of funny. I can't think of how awesome that would have been for me at 25. So fuck this guy. Let's move on. Yeah. Also to be invited to a little weird. I understand it's a little weird. I probably would still go through. Yeah. If you think she's cute and there's no, you know, no harm will fall. Yeah, go for it. Okay. Yeah. Hit the open bar a couple of times and then you'll you'll realize you're so excited that you have room. It was going to be a real big bummer though. It's like she's like, she ends up going home with somebody else that night and you're going to feel like a huge loser. So you maybe have to take that into account as well. Like you, like, take the win musical room. Yeah. Well, it sounds like the pickings are slim. Otherwise they would have just had two girls pair up with each other. It's probably that for the record is insane. I just want to put that. That's insane. Yeah. It must be like a couple staying where it's just like, sorry, you're the two, the two odd, odd ones out anyway. I don't know. Okay. This email is titled, my friends are all losers. Question mark. Is that for me? I'm just kidding. Damn. I just I know one of them listen so. Next live show. Look out. All right. I need extra security. 32, 6 foot, 230, deadlift, 275 bench, 225 squat, 275. That's going to be reps, right? Your bench can't be 225 at 230 at 6 foot, right? 32. 62. If it is, you're pissed right now. All right. Player comp Zach Randolph, but playing even further below the rim. Sorry for the long email. Needs to be said and vented. I have a problem. It seems like all of my friends are losers. I won't bore you with all the nitty details of it all, but it feels like all the dudes around my age that I've been friends with forever are broke. Do nothing losers. Most of them seem afraid of the world wrapped in conspiracy theories and perpetually online gamers. We have a group of about six to 10 guys that are fairly close, some closer than others as a circle. That's why it tends to be for the most part, none of them are doing anything worthwhile. I don't want to sound conceited, but I have a pretty damn good life and they just flat out do not. Your life sucks guys. Most are complaining about crossroads of life or seem like they get the short end of the stick. And I watch them fuck off their entire 20s and not put in the work. Well, now it seems like it's starting to show never leaving comfort zones, never challenging themselves to be better and as a result, they're losers. I love them all truly as brothers, but good Lord, is it getting harder and harder to relate to their pity parties? Most of them skip college and their idea of a good time is one or two nights out on a weekend. Mine is a month traveling abroad with my wife, visiting a new city or just relaxing and enjoying my free time. My dilemma is this, all caps. I don't know how to relate anymore. In group chats, I just want to call them on all their bullshit and lazy habits, but I always come off as the dickhead over and over. I'm stuck listening to their problems. It seemed to have the simplest answers. I don't know, leave that job, try something new. Quit doing the same shit that lands you in the same roles. Read a fucking book or something. Read a fucking book. Read a fucking book. For the love of God, get me out of this group chat. I'm not saying I don't want to be friends with them anymore, but I'm saying this is getting damn hard to even pretend to be interested in their latest losing parlay or the relationship issues. Am I the only person dealing with this? Should I just cut them out and move on? Cut them off and move on. I feel like it's a major waste of energy and I don't come off and I don't want, and I know I come off as a pretentious dickhead who hasn't gotten education separated. But it's kind of true. How can I handle this better moving forward? I don't want to be the asshole, but it's just kind of my role at this point. Thanks guys. Love this show. Yeah, like five, six years ago, I was looking around like, well, I'm stuck with these guys. It would be cool if you guys did something. And now they have, but was it you? Did you inspire them? I don't think so. I get super lucky and have somebody awesome, talented barrier aunt that plucked you out of Poughkeepsie. No, I don't think that's, here's what you guys, who would like, are you connected to any of the people who are like the five bests in the country? Anything? Yeah, let's expand what that could be. Is Jason Tatum top five? All right. Yes. What's your in Dave? But yeah, I just waited it out. How old is this guy? 32? Oh yeah. You've waited. You've waited long enough. I'd say most of those guys who were like, what wouldn't even say to my parents what they were doing? Like I just make up other things, like what they're doing for jobs and stuff. Like that's all in the past now. But yeah, if I was 32 and still waiting, I probably, who am I kidding? I'd be stuck with them, but it's, I'm just happy that they figured it out. 32 is, like my friends and I talk about this all the time, like I'm just too lazy to make new friends. I got, at this point in my life, like I've had a good core for most of my life, date back most of the high school. And actually they are, you know, we're doing okay, I guess as a group, I feel like we're not in this guy's situation. But it's like, man, making new friends is also like really hard. Maybe you're an outgoing guy. Maybe you are like, you like to travel and maybe you're just like, Hey, I'm just going to meet people and I'm going to find all these new guys. They're going to be awesome. But I think like you have to just like, do you, you still need male companionship. You still need these friends. And we've had a thousand emails about hard as for guys to make friends out there. Like accept your friends for maybe their flaws. Like sure, like they just, they're venting, they're bitching. You're the successful one too. You should be happy. Like you're the one that actually like has this shit together. So I, I don't know. I wouldn't, I wouldn't drop a bomb in the group chat. I would keep them around because like, yeah, just because like, again, like you're like a couple years from now and you're like, yeah, I was right. I told them how I felt. And then you're like, Yeah, but that does that make your life any better? Like now you met now you maybe don't have any friends and you're like, your picture's on a dart board and they're all talking about you and the group chat, but they're, they at least have friends. I just, I found the, I think his list was a little long too. It's like, they don't even let going on the same, like their idea of a fun time and might as traveling with my wife for a month. He sounds a little bit like the guy who saw you to broad and now like has figured the world out a little bit. Sure. It's like, all right, man, like, you don't get it, dude. Yeah. Have you seen the em all because I just think he's adding too many things together here. Like some of these things aren't actually even really a bummer. Like you guys view what is a little bit like, man, like, is that really bothering? Your day? I mean, I think the solution here is you don't have to respond to any of it, man. You can just be in the group chat. Right. You can see them be losers. Parachute in when you're out. So like, I know, like maybe your thing is coming from a good place, but nobody wants to hear it. These guys are 32. Nobody, right? They're still years away. If they're this far behind, they're years away from admitting that they did fuck it up. Okay. And look, this may be just their version of, like, I remember when I was younger, mid 20s, at least I'd kind of started the career, like I was going, Hey, I can't do a normal job. I have to do something that feels like all these hours are being invested into a career where is there some kind of ceiling of whatever I was going to decide to do? Is there a version of like a ceiling where it's like, maybe it could really, really work out of things, you know, fell into place. And as I was trying to figure that stuff out, like one guy that owned a couple of businesses, he was like, you know, it kind of took me till I was like 35. And he's like, I'm talking like 35 to go massive wake up call of you've got to like I was working, I was making money. But my whole way of thinking changed. These guys don't even look like it's going to happen in three years. If you're talking about conspiracy theories, not working, losing jobs all the time, gaming nonstop, you know, in the southern 30s. So I saw that. Yeah, I just your message can be right, but nobody wants to fucking hear it. And if that's a reaction that you're getting that you feel like you're the conceited to stop responding, because they're not going to hear the message at all. And in a way, like, I don't know if this is to this email, or but there's other people that like I see whether it's even content or just on shit that I do with some of my friends, it's like, Hey, do you know that you don't have to respond to every fucking point that's ever made ever, you can take a couple off. Yeah, you don't need to do that. Now, I'm not saying the email is doing that. But if you are, like if you see one of your loser friends say something that a loser would say, you can just let it go. Yeah, it takes like two seconds. I had a hard time. Yeah, I had a hard time. Like, I was, you know, we talked about this little abrasive, you know, I would like, if I bought something was dumb, I would like kind of be like, that's dumb. And it's like, wow, like that's probably not the move to that. That's not how you make friends. It's how you keep friends. And at some point in my life, I just kind of was like, why am I, why am I who cares if he spent this much money on this? Like, why do I care about that? What does it infect my life? There's nothing better. Honestly, one of my favorite things about getting older is just finding so many things you don't care about anymore. It's awesome. The old Keanu Reeves, two plus two is five. Good for you. Sure. Yeah. Right. Yeah. All right. Yeah, whatever. I mean, I'm not saying like you want to become like a fucking just viking and act like, I mean, I've talked about this or touched on this whole like philosophy before, like, you don't want to be walking through like, you don't care about anything, because that's not super helpful. And I don't even know necessarily how healthy that is. But like all the nonsense, I just, I'm thinking about one person that I'm not going to name right now. And it's like, something can be said online without you feeling the need to do it. And if you're applying that, yeah, if you're applying that to to your friends and you said, the emailer said, I don't want to lose these guys as friends. Yeah. The best way to keep his friends is stop fucking telling him that because look what they should do, they're having some private moments where it's starting to sink in. Okay. Yeah. There's some private moments where maybe not all of them, maybe half of them are oblivious, but there's probably a couple where it's leaning towards uncomfortable of like, whoa, you know, what am I actually doing? Thinking about buying that bucket of driveway sealant and just getting after it, starting a business. Yeah. Or renting a van. I mean, all comes with it logo. You're right, Kyle. I thought about it. Oh, it takes just one bucket of sealant. You're off to the races. It's all I have to do. I don't even have to be good at it. I just call you a year later complaining. I don't know this emailer because there's like a wide variance of like what he could be about. For the most part, he seems fun, but like you'll probably if again, you said you want to keep these friends, the best bet is to never let any of this stuff bother you anymore and just let them be them on the thread and then you'll be at peace. Yeah. Going, you know, some of them are going to figure it out and some of the other ones won't, but then they'll kind of accept whatever their non-figuring out is and maybe stop blaming everybody else. Also, if you're like, maybe try to make some new friends. Like, don't don't you don't have to like, ask this group. You like, if he wants friends that like are pushing him and are just maybe more interesting or just like in better social circles, all right, go out there and make some new friends. But that doesn't mean you just like ditch other groups of friends. I will say when I moved to LA and like the first couple years people would say like, dude, you are who your friends are. And I'd think back to like, what are these guys in Poughkeepsie doing right now? It's like, oh no. But yeah, I stuck it out and I feel better about when I think about like you are the, the sum of your, for the average of your friends or whatever. Again, you feel better now. But again, a couple years ago, if I was thinking like this guy, not good. Not good at all. That'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Tom, who I think is still working on the show. He's putting us all together. Kevin, who's with us. Good to see him in Chicago. And of course, Seroody and Kyle will be in Chicago all week long. We've already confirmed a couple pretty big interviews for the NBA Combine. So I don't know what the schedule. Hey, Cap, pop his head in mid taping, but he bounced. I don't know. So well, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Right. We're making content here, buddy. Yeah. 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