835: Epstein Survivor: MK-Ultra, DNA Manipulation & Astral Trafficking

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And it just so happens that the Jeffrey Epstein files dropped a couple weeks ago. And the timing of this episode is seemingly almost divine. We have a person coming on the show today. Her name is Hope Burrell Green, and she is a victim of the Jeffrey Epstein Trafficking Network. And I can't believe that about an hour ago, news drops. As I'm getting ready to record this, I see news drops that the FBI concluded that Jeffrey Epstein was not running a sex trafficking ring for powerful men. New files show per AP. Are you kidding me? They're trying to gaslight us and they're trying to play this whole mind game with us. And I'm, for one, not going to be falling for it. I'm sure many of you aren't going to be falling for it. And I know for a fact that this week my guests will not be falling for it because I have two guests coming on the show this week. Both were Epstein victims. And today we have Hope Burrow-Green, who comes on the show bravely to share her harrowing testimony of being born into a multi-generational Illuminati family and enduring MKUltra programming from infancy. She uncovers the terrifying depths of her experience, ranging from high-level trafficking rings involving figures like Jeffrey Epstein to the supernatural realities of astral projection and the DNA manipulation. Hope exposes how these dark agendas aim to infiltrate the church and control society, blending physical abuse with spiritual warfare in ways most people never imagine. Despite the heavy subject matter, this conversation stands as a powerful testament to redemption as Hope details how she found freedom and healing through Jesus Christ. Let's get to this conversation with Hope right now. Hope, how are you? I'm great. I'm glad you're here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, so who was it that reached out to us? Kim? Is that true? Kim. Yeah, Kim is my management. She is a spirit-filled Christian. She's amazing. She lives out in L.A., and she helps me out to kind of navigate all the things that I'm doing. I think she said she met you at a conference in California, right? Yeah, Rev 17. So that was with Dave Bryant. Yes. Gotcha. Yeah, Pastor Dave and Cheryl, and then they were raising money for the safe house for kids. 2.3 million, I think, is what we raised there. That's wild. That's wild. That is pretty amazing. I'm pretty sure Pastor Dave has recently done a show with Troy Brewer. And, you know, those guys, talk about guys that you would expect to get along. Those two are guys that I would expect. They are so alike. It's amazing. And I don't think it's been very long that they've actually met each other. I think it was like right before Rev 17 or something like that. But they're so much alike. And I've never met Troy before or, you know, seen him speak, but, man, he has an awesome ministry for rescuing kids. It's just this really very bold, and we need men like that. So it's interesting because I feel like, and I don't think I've ever said this out loud, but I've been contemplating this in my quiet time, I suppose. there has been an increase of people coming across the desk that are either victims of trafficking or are fighting trafficking. And part of me, this is the part I haven't said out loud, I'm wondering if there's something that God's trying to tell me. And am I hearing it? And if not, what am I missing, right? Because, I mean, obviously I'm bringing people on the show to talk about this stuff. Is that the purpose or is there something more? Because I had, are you familiar with a guy named Paul Hutchinson? He sounds familiar. He's a billionaire who financed the operations for the Sound of Freedom. Oh, okay. And he's been on over 70 missions because he was financing these Navy SEAL guys, these guys that go and rescue people. and they called him and they said, this operation we're on, we need your help. And he said, okay, how much money do you need? And they said, we don't need your money, we need you. And they needed him to play this rich guy who was financing a party and he had to come down and basically tell them that the only way his boss, who they're doing the party for, was going to accept any of this is if all these other fractions of trafficking groups come together for one giant party. And so he got them all into one room, and that's when they did this bust. But Paul was on the show not too long ago, and since then he's texted me a couple times, inviting me to different events. And I'm wondering, I don't know, I don't know if God's trying to tell me something. I don't know what that is. The time is now, like seriously, I was at Daniel Dufault's, his Bride Tribe advance that he does once a year. And, you know, all of his ministry is really focused on survivors of trafficking, impaltera, SRA. And the Lord really showed me in the spirit that there's an open door, Like an open gate in the spirit realm right now for survivors, for victims to go through. And it's going to take like an end time army, really, that are Christians that know the Lord, that know Jesus and operate in the gifts that he's given them to really start to take a stand for survivors and for victims, whatever that niche is that the Lord's given them. But it's going to take everybody. Because, like, my rescuers, they did it all. I mean, they gave me a place to live. They gave me a job. They prayed for me. They ministered to me. All the things. But not everybody's able to do that. So it's really going to take my whole ministry and all that the Lord's poured into me is that to really educate the church, the true church. to come alongside victims, survivors, and to begin to, instead of being another wound, to be a place of healing and a safe place. Yeah. So I think it's going to be people like you and your platform sharing the truth and really breaking the fear off of the church of, oh, this doesn't happen, or it's only a few people. I mean, there's thousands and thousands of people like me that have been through what I've been through. It's wild that, you know, and I just come from a different perspective, I suppose, and also I've been doing things like this for so long that I'm already very aware and used to the idea that the world is dark, strange, unusual, and we're not going to understand everything. But there is a healthy portion of the, at least American Christian church, that wants to have blinders on to this kind of stuff. And maybe, I don't know exactly what that is. Maybe it's part of just the overall illusion of what is possible. When it comes to trafficking, there's a very real supernatural aspect to it that I also feel like maybe that's the aspect that it sets people. It's like, ah. Yeah, right. You know, like, because the American Christian church has very much avoided the supernatural in depth. And so I don't know. I just feel like the more time goes on, more people like yourself coming forward and sharing your story will allow for other people to do the same. And at some point, whether it's the church or whoever else, They're not going to be able to deny certain things anymore. Well, and really that is a plan of the Illuminati, the deep state, to really numb down the church. Like they do have agendas for the church. It's one of the seven mountains, and they want to be in charge of that. And so part of that is really causing like a denial, like a trance or a denial covering over the church to really not operate in the spiritual realm, which is more real than the natural. Yeah. So then, therefore, they won't believe these things happen and they won't be able to see that. So that's a big plan of the enemy for sure. So we were talking before we started recording, and I wrote some stuff down because I had some things I wanted to make sure I hit on. But astral trafficking, that's when I knew I was like, you and I are going to get along real good. She's speaking my language right now. And DNA manipulation. Yeah. And so like these are things that are happening and, you know, you have experience with on the negative side. Well, it's all negative, but like you receiving end of very strong abuse. So what I want to do moving forward here is to open up the platform for you to share your story and for people to learn who you are and what you've been through. And you mentioned about, you know, the people who helped get you out and save you. Like, there's a whole story here that people are going to want to hear, and I would love to have you share that now. Absolutely. It's pretty much 100% the Lord. Like, I would not be sitting here if it wasn't for him. But I was really born into the Illuminati. And a lot of people don't understand what he means born into it. Well, there is a whole army within this country of the Illuminati. And, you know, they tried it with Hitler and all of the things that they did with that, with Mingla and all the testing on their brain function and programming and things like that. But they found that it did not work because it was very out in the open. So people that had a Jesus heart or had a conscience, they weren't on board with that. So they really have really morphed within the United States to take down this country from within. And how they're doing that is through programming children. So the people that were my handlers and programmers, I mean, they look like a normal, everyday Christian family, like a middle-class family. But that's how they blend into society. And, you know, they have a grid on the U.S. in different states, well, every state and every town. They position MKUltra survivors or victims at that point to have a specific agenda to take down the U.S., the different whichever genre that it is, whether it's Hollywood or whether it's a government, religion, whatever it is. But so I was actually born into it. So my first five years of life, I was taken to a hospital. On the outside, it would look normal, but there was very dark underbelly. There was a lot of children like me that were taken there and programmed a lot of torture through satanic rituals, electrocution, just a lot of horrendous things. Having it out of hospital? Yes. Wow. Yes. Like I said, it wouldn't be something like you would have a sign out saying this is a hospital, but it was a hospital setting. Okay. So you're saying it wasn't an official sign-out front hospital. Right, exactly. But inside it was set up to be a hospital. Exactly. Was it like a secret location then? Yes, it was very secretive. And really the majority of what the Illuminati does, what MKUltra has done, is very secretive in secret locations. People have a hard time understanding that I wouldn't know exact locations. But they don't let you know specific locations because they don't want that to be exposed if you ever were to become aware because they program your mind to dissociate through the trauma and the torture. So the first five years is really done to set that deep level programming, the triggers, how you are going to act in public. My program was Kentucky Girl. You know, I was supposed to fit in in this small Kentucky town. They were in the small, it was like a K-12 high school, and he was a coach. Your programmers? Yeah. So I have a feeling I might interject. No, you're fine. That's just what I want to clarify. Are these your biological parents? No, they're not. So when you were born into it, were you put up for adoption at some point? And I haven't been able to share this, I guess, publicly because people, if you have a birth certificate, it doesn't always mean it's real. I mean, they have doctors and things in place that they can do whatever they want to. They can make whatever they want up. So for me, they did a lot of DNA testing, and the Lord's really shown me that. It's like, how would you know that? Well, through my healing journey, which has been over 20 years, he's shown me that the DNA was really like a petri dish, like mixed DNA, and they've done a lot of DNA mixing and a lot with DNA that people don't know. You know, it's not just a conspiracy theory. It, unfortunately, is reality. So they really told me, you know, I was a mixed breed. And because I was a mixed breed, that I deserve to be tortured and tormented and raped and trafficked. And how they were able to control me is at the root of my thinking, at the root of who I am, the core of who God made me, they made me think that I was completely evil, that I needed them to hurt me in order to keep me from doing bad things. So, I mean, they would set up situations where, and this would be in the first five years. That's, you know, if you do any kind of scientific research, you find that the first five years are very, very important. Building your thinking, the basis of who you are in those first five years. And so they would set up situations where I would be in a room, like I said, it's a hospital setting. I would be in a room as a little child. They would give me drugs. I would fall asleep from the drugs. And then when I would wake up, they would have put like dead bodies, dead, you know, like body parts, things like that. And they would say, see, this is who you are. You did that when you were asleep. Like you did that during the night. Kind of like the, you know, the werewolf like New York where he had to be chained up at night because he would turn into this monster. They programmed me to believe literally that I was a monster and that without them hurting me, I would just be doing bad things. Okay. And even at that small age, like, I didn't want to do bad things, you know. I think we're all, that God puts within us that we know something's not right, even if we're not taught that something's not right. Yeah. So even in that early stages, God was working, and they hated that. They hate God. and what better way to hurt God than to hurt his children, his creation. So that's the whole purpose of why they do it. It's because they hate God and they want to hurt him in any way possible. So, you know, that was really the first five years of my life. Complete torture, 24-7, just constantly. And a lot of it was to bond me with my programmers that they were signing me. So if you were to see my main programmers and traffickers, you would say you look like them. But they did that on purpose. They mix the DNA on purpose to where you look like them. And so there's no question when you're out in public that this is a family, like this is just a normal family. And I'm one of thousands and thousands and thousands of people that have had this done. They're just in different walks of life. So they set that up to where you really see your traffickers and your handlers as your savior They take you to the point of where you're dying Whether they put you underwater to where you're drowning And then you literally to like the brink of death Or they electrocute you to the brink of death And then they show you like a heart monitor. Oh, okay. Well, we're bringing you back to life. We're who gives you life. And the basis of what they did was also to make me think that God hated me, that Jesus hated me, that they were the cause of what I went through, that they wanted what I was going through, that I was made for them. So if you think God and Jesus are who want that to happen, and if you think you're evil, then you're not going to know that there's anything else. I mean, from even all the way, and Daniel DeBall talks about this, like all the way in the womb, they start the torture and the speaking lies and cursing and all of that all the way back on purpose. So they spend, they're very dedicated in what they do 24-7 all the time. They know scripture. They know the Bible. They know who God is. But literally, they have chosen, not because of being hurt or tortured, they have chosen to follow Satan. They've chosen to follow evil because they want to be in control and they hate God and they want their prideful, you know, just like their father, Satan. So the first five years, you know, that's really they're preparing you. And they have these hospitals throughout the United States. And I do want to say that there are so many people that are saying the exact same thing I'm saying that I've never met before. If you just do a Google search, you will find testimony after testimony after testimony. People that have not met have the same story. So it's like, how can you say that all of us are making this up? Yeah. You know, how can never met each other but have the same stories? And you I don't want to jump the gun here But you spent extensive time with Dan Duvall Right? Yes What would you call what he was doing? Was it counseling? Deprogramming? I think he would probably call it Deprogramming now But it was healing You know I had had A lot of healing before Daniel Duvall But I But the Lord brought him in my life exactly the right timing to really expose the deep level stuff. And I think I needed that so that I would know that I wasn't crazy, that this was reality, what I went through. But all of my memories and everything that's come out, it's not been when I've been like with a counselor saying, Oh, did this happen? Or it's just been memories just flowing and flowing back, starting at about the age of 19 is when I just, I mean, my whole life I was depressed and suicidal. But I was in complete denial because of the trauma and the torture of the family. So you had different, like, split personality, DID? Yeah, and I want people to understand, like, you have this Hollywood impression of multiple personality. Sure. Most people, actually, I could say that all people have had some form of dissociation because we live in this world, because we live in a fallen world where there's trauma and pain. So say you're in a car accident and it's so traumatic, you don't remember it. This is to a whole other level. This is people that are trying to split and fragment a person's mind so that they can have different parts of their mind to control or manipulate. Trigger words to call it a certain part to do a certain thing. So it's a very intense fragmentation of a mind And you're not even aware of that that's going on There's denial parts In this MKUltra There's denial parts that actually push it back so much Because it's so painful or they've seen literally people get killed, you know, literally. I mean, that happens to where you deny it fully. And that's the whole point and purpose of it, so that it will never be exposed, what they're doing. So when you're a kid, I think you said you were waking up with dead bodies around you? Yeah, so in the hospital when they were doing those rituals, they would give me drugs. They gave me a lot of drugs. They try to get you really addicted drugs on purpose so that they can really torment you by taking you off of that. So I would be in a room. They put me in a room by myself. So they do a lot of torture through deprivation. If you talk to any prisoners of war, like the worst form of torture is to be isolated and not see human beings. So they will put you in a room by yourself, completely by yourself, no human contact. So literally, you'll do whatever you can, whatever they tell you to do, because it's so tormenting. But the specific type of programming I was talking about is they would put me on drugs. They put me on drugs. I would fall asleep. And while I was asleep, they would come in. It's like kind of a white room. you know, like the hospital padded rooms, and they would bring like a dead body or dead body parts into the room. And then when I would wake up, they would say, you did this. Well, I was the only one in the room. And then they have a speaker. They would have a lot of times a speaker, and they would say that was God's voice coming through the speaker. And he would say, you did this. Why did you do this? So my mind as a child, I don't know anything else other than God says I did this. They said I did this. They're the authority figure here. So I don't want to be evil. So please hurt me. Like, please do whatever needs to be done to keep me from doing those things. so that kept me from trying to get free or even realizing I needed to be free so that's really how they control you is there like I guess maybe this is like a hindsight question looking back like what was was there a reason were they training you up to do something specific or like what was the purpose to have you believe you were a killing machine? Did they want you to be part of like a sleeper cell type situation or what? I mean, I'm not sure how any of this works. No, you're fine. And I love the question. So absolutely, every single MKUltra, every single child that is tortured to do that has a specific agenda. And for me, it was to infiltrate the church And so they would, you know, once the programming was done And, you know, I came out Then I would be sent into churches and ministries Christian conferences to cause division And it's a part of your mind that doesn't even know that you're doing it You just know in order to survive or in order to not be evil, I have to do what they said to do. Or I'm going to hurt this person. So there's never a choice. It's like you're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't. There's a bad thing and a worse thing. So there was never a good choice. You had no choices. so that's something that was that in mind then from the time you were a child to train you up to do that and is there so you're going into the church direction here so we'll just keep it going this direction for now because you mentioned about how that the child sex trafficking or I guess Kim in the email mentioned to me about child sex trafficking having ties to the church government, education but let's just focus in on the church If they were doing that with you, how prevalent of a problem do you think this actually is in the American church? Do you think that there's a lot of people that are actually fulfilling their training right now? Absolutely. I would say every single church. Really? There's infiltrators in every single church. That's why you see so much division. And that's why you see so much of people saying, well, I don't want to go to church because they're this or they're that. I mean the whole agenda of legalism and all of that was an Illuminati agenda to discredit the church There so many scriptures that are twisted specifically because the Illuminati put a seed in the church for that scripture to be twisted. I mean, they use scripture in programming, in rituals, and they twist scriptures. They read the scriptures out, and they make a different meaning for what the scripture actually means. So, I mean, yes, it's happening in every single church. Specifically, they target, they can tell in the spirit realm, if someone is getting any kind of headway in the spirit realm, if they're operating at all in the spiritual realm, they target them the most. And just like the people that rescued me. They know who is making a difference in rescuing MKUltra survivors and SRA survivors. They have a list, and they send people to take that ministry out. Or, I mean, like yourself, anybody that is exposing the darkness of that, they target those people and those things because they don't want it exposed. So, yeah. Yeah, I don't like that at all. I don't want to be targeted. But no, I mean, I was sharing before we started recording some things that, you know, I felt like I've been targeted on certain things. So in your early childhood, you have this happening with the hospitals. So as you're going through childhood, teenage years, what does that look like for you? I mean, at some point, are you just living life as if you thought, as if it's just a normal American life, or was it always this underbelly? Well, so after five years old, then they pretty much set you in what your specific agenda or what they programmed you to do. So I was placed in Kentucky in a small town in Kentucky, and specifically to cause division in churches and conferences. They were taking me all over the world, trafficking me and things like that. But I looked like a normal middle-class family. I mean, I looked like I was a cheerleader. I was, you know, in gymnastics, and I was, I looked normal. I had good grades, but I was very suicidal, and I was very depressed the entire time. But because it looked good, nobody ever asked any questions. I was being trafficked in the small Baptist church in the same town that I lived in. Is this like sex trafficking? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was being trafficked in the church, being programmed by different people in the church, and the school that I went to. So they have plants in every town and every city, every church and every school. I'm not saying everybody is like this. I'm just saying they're in every, just like there's abusers in every walk of life. They have chosen to infiltrate every walk of life so that they can be in charge of what happens. Everywhere. Yes, exactly. And I don't say that. I really wanted, the Holy Spirit wanted me to say this. Like, I don't want people to be afraid because reality is the couple that helped me, they are better off now than they've ever been had I not been in their life. They are closer to the Lord now than they would have had I never been in their life. When somebody chooses to expose this, the Lord takes, I mean, he always takes care of his children, but he doubles for their trouble. You know, I mean, it's not just a religious term. He really takes care of them. And they're amazing. They're great now. So he always exposes the evil and what's going on. But the reality is that that's going on. But if the church is equipped and aware, I think a lot of the infighting, I think a lot of the legalism, I think a lot of the weakness of the church would be eradicated because they would know the target that's on them. And they would know to ask the Lord to expose things. They would know that the feeling that they get, like say they come across somebody and they have just a bad feeling about it. They would know that they're not being rude. And they're actually listening to the Holy Spirit because they have the Holy Spirit within them. And I think the church will be a lot more powerful. It would make a difference in rescuing so many people. Yeah. I mean, I think the information, you know, is key. You know, people being educated on this stuff, understanding that it is real. and this all seems just so like far-fetched for people who don't really aren't used to the conversation or the topic at hand and so it's almost like literally unbelievable you know but in recent years I think it was was it 2018 I think it was when the Epstein stuff first started happening I feel like that really shook the world into a whole new level of understanding of what evil is and what is possible because, you know, I use this term and I don't want to be derogatory towards anybody, but like the idea of normies, like, you know, you have all these normal people living their normal lives and all of a sudden they're faced with this reality that, hey, there's this one guy who is doing this heinous operation and he wasn't the only one. Exactly. It shocks people into this whole new level of existence of like, wait a second, if that's real, what else could be real? Right. And I feel like maybe that's why people like you are being, I guess, divinely commissioned to come forward in this era of time because we're in a very unique period of time where people are maybe more conditioned to hear it at least a little bit. I think you're exactly right. It's like we were talking earlier. It's like that veil is being taken off to where people are actually wanting to hear it or maybe even able to. It's like when I wrote my book. What's the book called again? My book is called To Tell the Truth. To Tell the Truth. So the Lord said to me at this time, and this was probably eight, nine years ago. So right around the time, it was Trump's first term, and I spoke at the Senate sharing just a tiny portion of my story. Yeah, but the Lord said, I want you to put everything in the book. And I had a lot of people close to me that was like, I don't think you should do that because, like, people can't handle that. But the Lord said, you know what, MKUltra actually has been documented. Like, it is a fact. I mean, in the government, it has been proven that it is reality. Like, it is something. But it just didn't end in the 70s. It's continued, you know? Exactly. Yeah. So, but I think that the Lord really is, he's opening people's eyes because I think we're at a place where all of these things, just like with the food, we're seeing all the different things that the government's put in our food. You know, that's one step. and then we're seeing the things in our air. There would have been a time where if I said to somebody, oh, they're manipulating our weather, that people would have said, you are nuts. But it's reality. And so I think ahead of the time, like a forerunner in a way, the Lord has been trying to warn people to kind of wake them up Because it is shocking, and it is scary, and it is difficult to believe. But I think in his kindness and his love and his gentleness, he's been trying to tell people a little at a time. In all of these conspiracies, he's been exposing, and it's just more and more and more. And now people are more open to seeing the reality of what's going on. Because it is sad that there is that level of evil. But, you know, in the Bible, it talks about Satan coming as an angel of light. And it says even more so his followers will be like angels of light. And so why would we question that they would try to infiltrate and blend in? Yeah. I mean, that's how Satan does it. Yeah. We had talked to a guy. All right. I said we. I talked to a guy years ago. His name is Zach King. And he, I think he's Catholic now, but he was a satanic high wizard. and he said that they would, with what he was doing, similarly try to infiltrate churches. And he actually said, I think, that Baptist churches were high on the list of places to target. And I think that's what you had said too, right? And their goal was to divide the church, split it, and he said he was very successful at doing it. I think he said he's, I'm going to say a number here and it might not be accurate, but it's just the number that comes to my head. I think he told me he personally was responsible for splitting over 100 churches and just constantly at work. Absolutely. That was his life goal and mission. And so it's almost like there's these different industries. You have the satanic high wizard over here. You have the traffic person over here. But the end game and agenda is the same thing. It is. You're exactly right. So, all right, you're going through a life of being trafficked, and I guess before I go too far, what was that like? I mean, so you're going all over the world, I'm assuming. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Are you seeing other people being trafficked at this time, or is it just you and you feel like you're alone in it? No, I mean, when I was in the hospital the first five years of my life, There was definitely more infants, more children around me. There was a lot. I mean, I was taken to India. Why India? Well, India has a lot of, what would you say, a lot of their government and their police are very wicked. And I'm not saying all of them. But they have a lot of infiltration in that. So you can get away with a lot there. So, yeah, I mean, really, I think the whole purpose of why they took me there was to do more of the deprivation so that it would really cause my mind to cling more to the denial. Because they say, okay, you know, when you're in deprivation in India, which, you know, you have bugs crawling all over you, rats everywhere, all of that, and you're being trafficked every day. Well, the American dream, you know, you can go to the American dream if you just forget everything that's happened. Gotcha. And so I think that's the whole primary goal of why they do that. But, yeah, go ahead. Side note. I want you to remember what you were about to say. I'm going to forget to say this. Did you know that Troy Brewer and his son were kidnapped in India? No. Yeah. I'll tell you the story some other time. But I just popped in my head. I want to hear that. I'm sure that's a good one. Yeah, yeah. So go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, the neat thing about that, just a rabbit hole really quick. I actually went back to India after I got free and did mission trips over there. Got tons of healing. I was able to share my story. So that was a very big redemption there. But what I was going to say is that at the age of five, they actually gave ownership. There was like actually ownership papers signed to Epstein. For you? Yeah, for me. Wow. From my traffickers because he was on a, I mean, there's never a good level, but they say level. So he was on a different level. So he was starting to traffic me more on a regular basis to, like, the elite and those that were in Hollywood. So you're saying, so you've met Epstein. Yeah, I was actually trafficked and raped by Epstein Really? Yes Wow That's wild Yeah Yeah, unfortunately the mainstream media There's been an agenda to have a specific I don't know how to try to say an appearance of what that looked like to people that they wanted people to know about, which is the massages and the teenage girls and things like that, which is, I'm not discounting. It's hideous. It's horrible. But behind the scenes, there was much deeper, darker things going on. Very underground things that were going on. And at the age of five, I was trafficked by him, and there were other small children that were trafficked by him. So he was involved in a lot, a lot, with governmental figures, with programming, with DNA testing, a lot of it that people aren't aware of. Yeah, wasn't there something with the ranch that he owned? And I feel like there's something there. I'll say this, because I don't know how to say there's this conspiracy theory or this idea out there that he was involved with DNA manipulation. And maybe this ranch he was trying to, was it that he was having all these children with his DNA? I don't remember, but all right. So five years old, you were sold to him. Yeah. I was sold really given ownership over to him. So they had papers to where he could traffic me out and bring other people in to program me. So, I mean, I was still being programmed and trafficked by my main programmers. So the main base they had me was Kentucky to keep that facade going. But I was taken to, like, Epstein Island. And Epstein Island was used for trafficking long before Epstein was even. Really? Yes. And Epstein started what he was doing at a very young age, like at least 20 years old. Huh. Yeah. So he started trafficking at around 20 years old? Mm-hmm. I mean, I don't know exact date or when he started, but I know he was at least around 20, 21 years old. Wow. Do you know how he got involved in it? I think that he was very much involved in the government and military. And I think he chose to get involved in the military side of it because he was Mossad. But then there was also so many different countries that were involved that he was doing trafficking to that would come through that would look at all of us, the children, and see kind of what products they wanted to purchase as a child, which child they wanted to purchase. When did he start operating on Epstein Island, on the island? Was that like in your life, like in your childhood? It would have been later in my life. It was probably on, like, in the, I guess, physical realm is what people say. It would have been probably, I was probably 20, something like that, 18, 20, something like that. But the island was being used before that. So they have a lot of underground tunnels there on the island. And, you know, I've been through a criminal suit, a civil suit against Epstein. But there's just a cover-up about the deeper, darker things that were going on. You've taken legal action, huh? Yeah. And it just never went anywhere? Well, they didn't want it to go anywhere. Sure. When I did the Criminal suit of course we know What happened there I mean I don't believe he killed himself But I don't know specifically I think there's a lot of I don't think I know there's a lot of high level people That wanted to Get him out of the picture Are you saying that your criminal Suit was when he was arrested This last time? Was that like a joint suit with a lot of The victims? Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. So mine wasn't really ever brought forward because I was at such a young age. They didn't want that. I mean, they literally told me it doesn't go along with the narratives that we see. So therefore, we're not going to do anything with it. Same way with civil suit. I really wasn't going to do a civil suit, but the Holy Spirit said, yes, I want you to do this and bring it forward. And they had a compensation fund or plan. I had a lawyer for over two years, had all my people that testified for me and said she is, you know, she's not crazy. You know, we verify that she's telling the truth. And the day before my deposition, they dropped me. My lawyer dropped me the day before. So I had to go by myself to give testimony of what he did. And, of course, you know, nothing came out of it. So when there's like, I don't know how to say it other than dual ownership of you, right? So you're a kid and you're supposed to be living this like normal life in Kentucky. Does he like put a phone call in to pull you out to take you somewhere? And like, how does that look on the surface? You know, I'm assuming the answer is yes. But like, so say you're away at Epstein Island, right? What's the narrative back in Kentucky? Where are you? Like, what are they telling people? Right. Well, I mean, a lot of times the people involved, I mean, there was people involved. All around you. Yeah. So, like, I don't know if this is the case, but, like, the school principal is involved. Exactly. So he can, I got you. So they have their, like, their bases covered to keep up that narrative. So, yeah, I mean, it pretty much looked, instead of, like, a phone call, I think we talked a little bit about How they communicate In the spiritual realm Where they astral project And they have like conferences Okay we didn't talk deep about that So we definitely need to talk about that right now And I'll probably just get back to the As it progresses Because my mind is going to not let this go So you're saying that These people Is it all of them or what In order to hold, what, secure meetings, they do it in the astral? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So in order to really, because, you know, phone lines can be typed. Cell phones can be tracked. Right. All those things. Phones are listening all the time. Exactly. So they have to have a way that's foolproof to communicate. And so they are very much more operating in the spiritual realm than the majority of Christians because they ask the demonic realm to ask to project so they communicate that way and have conferences in the spiritual realm of what do we do next? Where are we meeting in the physical realm? So then it can't be tracked in any way. So, I mean, that goes on all the time. I mean, it goes on on a lower level, and then it goes on on a higher level with the Illuminati and all of that as well. So it's just a natural way of doing things on their end? Mm-hmm. It's a natural way for them to communicate. I don't know if you've ever seen, I can't even think of the name of the movie now, But I think it was Matthew McConaughey. But it was more of like he was in space and he was communicating with the person that was in the physical realm. It's kind of like that. Was it Interstellar? Yes. Yes. Interstellar. Interstellar. It's like that. It's like they're communicating on a different plane. And if you talk to anybody about, like, frequency levels and stuff, they're communicating on a different frequency level. So a lot of people use that for, like, new age and stuff like that. But it's really from the Lord. The Lord made the earth and the frequencies and all the different, you know, the spiritual realm. And so they use that for their advantage. I don't know if I've ever considered that before, but that's wild that that is a form of communication to do it in secret where it's untraceable. that I mean my mind is just going a million miles an hour right now because I'm thinking like outside of you know satanic trafficking things like that like if that's happening then our own government like anything that anybody wants to do in secret to conspire to do anything that's a way to do it that's untraceable which on the surface level is one thing, but then as Christians and my new, I don't say new, but like I'm coming to a deeper understanding of not only is prayer good and it's powerful, but it's been designed by God as a weapon for spiritual warfare. Absolutely. And so if evil people are meeting in the astral to plan wicked things, how does that play into with our prayer life? And how can we, like, literally come and cut that off through prayer, right? Absolutely. I mean, I have a prayer of hope I do once a month now. And my whole goal on what the Holy Spirit has shown me is going into those areas where the child is and knowing, like in the spirit realm, where that's going on. And using the gifts that the Lord has given us specifically as children of God to bring good from that, you know, bring good and expose those things. You know, in the Bible, it talks about how, I can't remember who it was, but he went in the spirit. He went in and he saw the evil things that were going on in secret. And I think recently I heard, it was like on Elijah's dreams, Andrew Whalen, I think he's the same. But he was talking about how to have that end time army that can go in the spirit realm and do that battle, you know, because the evil people are using that. So if it's being used for evil, then they always pervert what is meant for good. Yes, it's part of creation. Exactly. So that should be our gifts for good. So that's the whole goal, I think, is to be able to go in and expose those things, you know? Wow. Wow. 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Like, somebody has to have an open door for them to even be able to access them. So that's why Satan tries to, you know, get children from a very young age to have open doors in the spirit realm so that people can come in and traffic them in the spirit realm. But, yeah, there's many, many people that have been trafficked in the spiritual realm, sex trafficked. In the spirit? In the spirit realm. Wow. You know, you hear a lot about people, and they've been, like, demonically raped or something like that. That's where my mom went. Yeah. that does happen but then some of that is being trafficked in the spirit they're physically I mean they're spiritually getting taken to another realm and being being raped by people in the astral I can't even fathom this you know what I mean I'm somebody who's never as projected I'm pretty boring to be honest outside of the microphone and talking to people be glad you're boring I mean, I talk to interesting people. That's the most exciting thing about my life is I talk to interesting people, you know. That is something that's hard to fathom, right? And so like what we were talking about earlier, the idea that, you know, the mainstream church is sometimes, not sometimes, a lot of times hard to even hear this kind of thing. That's why, right? Like, astral travel to mainstream Christianity probably is still impossible, right? And now we're saying not only is it happening, but trafficking is happening, and there's sexual assault happening in the astral. Like, it's hard to wrap your mind around that, you know? It really, really is. And, you know, I think that's where it comes back to, you know, the Illuminati's agenda around the church is to really plant this thing of not being aware of the spirit realm and taking it and perverting it for evil. Because they don't want the church to know that they have power in the spiritual realm for good or to even acknowledge there is a spiritual realm because that would open the door for them to be exposed. So their plan is to, especially the Baptist church, you know, discredit all anything done in the spirit. Why do you say especially the Baptist church? Because the guy I mentioned earlier, Zach King, he made it very evident that there's a specific, like, I think he even said the Catholics, too. Like, the Baptists and Catholics, they're really targeted hard. Do you have an idea why, like, you just said especially the Baptist church? Yeah, well, I mean, all of my basic programming was done in the Baptist church, a lot of, you know, around the Baptist. And I think a lot of it is because they see something that could become very powerful for God. And they, it causes them to want to target that. And I think there was a huge target on the Baptist church because a lot of the old time revivals and all of that, when you see, I'm not saying all of it was from the Lord because there's counterfeit as well. But there was a lot of walking in the spirit and healing and deliverance and getting set free and all of that. But I think that they wanted to quench that completely because it was fearful for them. They didn't want them to be able to have any possibility of it, of being able to expose the reality of what they were going through. Because if you take the Holy Spirit out of things, you kind of take out the power that the Lord wants us to have. So I think that is why a lot of times... So your perspective, if I'm hearing you right, is that the Baptist church, given the right formula, could be something that is extremely dangerous to the enemy. Absolutely. Interesting. Very, very interesting. Wow. I'm sure there's some badgers that have taken that as an insult, and some are like, oh, yeah, let's go and become warriors, you know. Right. Definitely no insult. It's like, how would they know? It's like somebody playing a trick on somebody and, you know, saying they're one thing and they're another, and it's just over year, over year. I mean, this has been going on for hundreds of years. It's not just in the last year or so, you know. They have been playing this out strategically. They have strategic plans. The enemy has strategic plans, and that's why it's so important for the church, for God's children, to have strategic plans, to be strategic in prayer. And I think the Lord is about that, really is. I agree. you know I I just can't get past this idea like just because the last I'd say two years and it's been growing I've been becoming much more aware of how complex the supernatural realm is right and I guess I'm just I'm really surprised maybe part of me is surprised that I never considered this to be a possibility until now that strategic planning could happen like that. And how many people in government authority positions do you think are actually accessing the astral to do such things like we we see all these like conspiracies these things that happen you like how did that how did this even get pulled off like for like i'll bring up um and if you have a connection to these people and you don't want to talk about it's fine um but like i would imagine like we were brought Epstein earlier, I would imagine the Clintons probably astral project and do this. I mean, when you said that, I keep thinking about Hillary Clinton doing this. I mean, because, I mean, default, I think a lot of people say, okay, the Clintons at least bill some way connected to Epstein, right? And if there's a connection there, then could they be astral projecting and going to the astral, holding these meetings and committing these atrocities in the astral, you know? I know there's been plenty of people who have accused Hillary, women accusing Hillary of raping them or something like that. Could that have happened in the astral? I don't know. I mean, I experienced that. I mean, she is completely, she's probably the most evil person I've ever encountered. You've encountered Hillary too? Oh, absolutely. Really? She's worse than he is. Is he worse than Bill or Epstein? Worse than Bill. Yeah. I mean, he's hideous. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. I mean, if there was a level of evil, she is very much, very small children, deep level military torture and programming. That's her main goal and main focus. You said small children? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, she really is over the military torture and programming of children and really kind of the person that determines with other military leaders where the children are going to be placed on the grid. Do you think she's still involved with that stuff? Oh, absolutely. Really? Yeah. So her political role has kind of at least publicly diminished, but you're saying her authority and what she does is still thriving? Absolutely, without a doubt. She, you know, and that's why people have a hard time understanding. With me, it's not so much I want justice for me. I'm okay. The Lord has healed me. I'll be fine. It's the reality that her and so many others are still torturing, programming, trafficking children right now as we speak. Wow. So people want to say, well, let's just move on from the Epstein thing. The reason I can't move on, I don't want money. I could care less. It's a reality that these children are still being ritualized and abused, and it's going on right now. And then people don't stop doing that. Like, that is their goal, and that is their position. That's what they do. So, you know, I keep thinking that it's going to be exposed. And I think it is more and more and more. One day, you know, all of it will be exposed. I mean, I hope so. It's funny, I brought up Paul Hutchinson earlier, and I think that was a members episode. But I kind of went on a rant on that one. I was, I was, I get so, I get so frustrated. It's like, I don't understand. I mean, I have ideas, but they told the Epstein files, release those things. Why are you not releasing them? What is the point of holding on to those? And then to play dumb. I mean for anybody who has a clue and has been keeping up with it just a little bit you know when Trump went and was like you know are people still talking about this guy? Bro it's not about this guy it's about the kids it's about the victims I don't understand it was such a slap in the face and a poor miscalculation to act like that who just gets swept under the rug. And then you have Bondi saying, you know, we have her on record saying she has the list, and all of a sudden you're saying the list doesn't exist. So, like, it's so suspicious. And, you know, part of me feels like, well, is the list that damaging that it's going to destroy all of our society, culture, civilization, government, all that? And if that's the case, like, we're literally living in a house of cards then anyways. Exactly. Just burn it down. Just do it. And I don't even care. Like, honestly, I don't care who's on the list. Like, it could be, you know, the president to, you know, the local pastor down the street. Like, get it out. Exactly. Just get it out. For the kids, for the children. Right. I mean, I never had any, I was never abused by Trump. Like, I never had. Yeah, I'm not suggesting he's on the list. I'm just saying. I just want to say. I'm trying to go to extremes. Yeah, exactly. Like, I don't care who's on the list. Yeah, if he was there. Like, obviously, if he was on the list, there's the reason why, right? But, like, say he's not on the list. I don't care who's on the list. Exactly. You know? It's just, I want to. It's about the kids. Yes. And that's, it gets me really, I'm trying to keep myself good. I know. Last time I went on a rant, I was like, oh, I think I went too far. You know, like, I was like, I think I went too hard on that. But, like, it just gets me really emotional because it's like there are real people, real victims of this. And it just feels like anybody who could do anything about this is doing nothing. Yeah. Believe me. Yeah. After all the hell that I went through, like, it's been very hard to see people talk about it, like, every day and on social media, continually talk about it. And then see people kind of discount it or, like, just say, let's not talk about that anymore. Because, like you said, it's not because – it's just bottom line, the kids. Like, if you know there are kids being ritualized and tortured and trafficked, we kind of have a moral obligation to push for it to be exposed, you know? And is it that there's that little of good people in authority to actually make that change happen? You know, like, could it be that that anybody that we don't have enough people that are willing to just push the big red button for it to actually happen? Like I have so many questions with, you know, and and and I mean, I'm sure. I mean, I'm preaching to the choir here. Right. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like you and I are just talking about, you know, the victims like we're talking to a victim. Right. But it's just from my perspective, it's so frustrating. So, yeah. I mean, this is the thing that gives me some peace about it. I feel like the Lord has said to me, Hope, I don't want to take down the victims with the perpetrators, like the evil people. I don't want to hurt my kids with the bad guys. So there's got to be something to where if it was exposed right now, it would somehow, someway hurt his kids. So there's got to be something else going on behind the scenes that I have no idea about. Because I know that I know that I know if I'm this passionate about it and I have his heart, then he is like a million trillion times more passionate about it, like to expose it. But he sees the bigger picture, you know. So I'm praying and believing there's something else going on behind the scenes. Because there's always going to be another evil person to take the place, the person. Right. You know what I mean? Absolutely right. So we'll see how the Lord deals with it. All right. So have you, let me ask you this before I go any further on this topic here. Have you talked publicly about the Clintons before? I have very briefly talked a little bit about it. I'm just trying to gauge how far. No, I'm fine with talking about it. I know. I'm thinking more along the lines. If I ask questions and we go on a topic that could wind up having this whole thing just shut down anyways, I'd rather not do that. Oh, gotcha. I'm sitting here talking to you, and the whole time I'm thinking, okay, what can I say that YouTube will allow or not allow? So at this point, I will say to Jack, anything that – what are you shaking your head no at? There are definitely some things that will be questionable for YouTube. That's what I figured. Maybe we'll put up a screen saying the full uncensored version on Rumble or something. I don't know. Yeah, I think Daniel Duvall got kicked off for YouTube because of me. Really? Okay, so good to know. I don't know, an hour and a half ago, thanks for telling me. I just thought about that spin. I was like, oh, okay. Well, maybe we can edit some of that. Yeah, I mean, if by chance there is a screen that pops up saying full edited version on Rumble, that's why. Yeah, exactly. Because it's just, you got to play the dance, too. You just got to do. But, so, you had many run-ins with her, you said. Yes. Is that just a short period of your life that you had a lot of run-ins, or was it throughout your entire childhood? It was throughout. Yeah. Yeah. Was this all in the physical or was there astral times as well? Both, both. Because I wasn't really located where they were, where she was the whole time. So a lot of it was in the spiritual realm. But a lot of it was like corporate rituals where they bring a lot of people together. And that's done underground, like in locations that they don't. I mean, it's very well known that there are underground tunnels in the United States, and they have specific places where they do that. It's just like the mountains is a huge place where they do military rituals and governmental rituals. I mean, if you go up to really the highest point in mountains, there's always another, you'll see another road that is gated. and there's places for them to go. Interesting. Interesting. Now you got me thinking about my mountains. Because, I mean, we were talking about before we went live about these mountains here and how old they are and the witchcraft that's heavy around here. I do suspect that there is active expansion under our feet here at this location. a friend of mine who's a knoxville native said a couple years ago when i first moved here he said he's been hearing loud bangs and they don't know where it's coming from i told him i said i i kind of like said it in a way where i thought he already made that connection i said they're probably expanding tunnels under our feet you know from the mountains to maybe even oak ridge and uh he's like i never thought of that i was like oh i thought you would have thought that because you He's on the same level as me with the weirdness, right? Right. But we also have, we've had some weird bangs that we've heard. And even, Jack, was that like three, four months ago when we had that? I think it was about three, four months ago. It was during the summertime. There was a really loud bang that happened. And this whole area heard it. I think they even heard it in the South Knoxville. and the only reports we saw was that the officials didn't know what it was and they were looking into it. Of course. And it was like things like that. We had earthquakes that, I guess there's earthquakes in this area, but paired with the bangs and this idea, could the earthquakes themselves be a result of that? But I had a lady on a few years ago who lived up in the mountains and she talked about seeing suspicious government vehicle activity. Absolutely. I've had so many. That's why my husband loves the mountains. And I've always hated the mountains because of what I went through. So when we go to the mountains now. You stay in the car? Well, I try. I did it first. But I got a lot of healing because the Lord, like this past time we were out west, and the Lord really showed me over and over and over. If you look in the New Testament, like Jesus went to the mountains, like over and over and over, like major things. He went to the mountains. And then you see on the things that the enemy tried to do against them, they went to the mountains. And the Lord really showed me, like, that's not just coincidence. Like there's evil people that use that as a portal. And then there's, you know, the Lord uses it. It's like an open heaven. You know, we have an open heaven within us because of Jesus. But I really, the Lord really showed me that when Jesus came and he died for us, he really, he cut off the, he cut off the judgment from the mountains. And like a mountain is really significant of his grace. And so that I've really tried when I'm there, like to let him, like you get quiet. Like we talked a little bit about this before. It's like you can get quiet and get away from all the technology and all of that and him use that. But you can't deny the reality that the enemy tries to use that. And I was taken there many times, many times held off of a cliff, you know, by my coat and like dangling and just torment to try to program my mind to push down all the evil things that they were doing, the rituals and things that they were doing on the mountain. But they do that a lot, a whole lot. And again, you're just one of thousands of victims. Absolutely. And your story seems awfully specific, but everybody has their own specific story that they've gone through. With the Epstein, obviously he was a dark person, but you were talking about the genetic manipulation. Have you been manipulated as far as DNA? Yes. Okay, so how does that work? Like, do you have any idea how it works, I guess? Well, the Lord showed me, because of course I wouldn't have been conscious of that. But he really showed me that it was kind of like a petri dish. It was a mixing of DNA that they did. And they always called me the mixed breed. So it wasn't just like the bloodline that they want to say is the perfect bloodline. Like they put different bloodlines in my DNA, and they called me the mixed breed. But they're always manipulating DNA. That's going on a lot. Epstein was doing that. There was a lot of babies that he would have, you know, just the bodies of babies. Like dead bodies? Yeah, of babies, and they would be doing testing and things like that. Do you know why? I think he was very involved with scientists. There were different scientists like Stephen Hawkins. And I really feel like it was just another way To learn how to manipulate and control people I mean, that was really our whole goal Is being able to manipulate and control the masses And to have like that one pure bloodline Illuminati bloodline And he wanted to be like the father of a major bloodline, Illuminati bloodline. So it's all about pride and control and manipulation. Yeah. So I referenced this to you earlier before we started recording. that I'm thinking of one person in particular, but I know there's a lot of people who go through this, what you're talking about, in their own spheres too. I mean, like this stuff, I mean, what you're talking about today is a lot of like human trafficking. But human trafficking, so there's a guy, Michael, oh, I'm drawing a blank on his last name. He was, I think he was a SEAL, and he was on a mission, and saw a UFO that was trafficking humans. There's humans being loaded onto a UFO. He talked about this with Sean Ryan on a Sean Ryan show several years ago. But there's this idea that you have this supernatural UFO alien topic, and there's this human trafficking now being put into this topic. and in that topic there are people who have said that they've been abducted that they've been taken to other locations and all this stuff and they've been manipulated with their DNA their genetics and one particular person that I'm thinking of a friend of mine has really had a hard time with the idea can I be saved you know and and I've talked to them several times about the answer is yes and here's why um did you struggle with any of that at all i mean absolutely i really did i it was very hard for me to think you know because a lot of people put even in the church put a lot of emphasis on family and like where you come from and all that and um so it was hard to To not really know, to feel like, I mean, that was the whole point of their programming, to feel like I was like less than and, you know, a mixed breed of a person. But what the Lord really showed me and how he healed me with that is that as his creation, because I am his creation, however the DNA was done, I am his creation, that I have his blood because he's the creator of all blood, of all human, all of that. So I have his blood Like that's what really matters Like I've chosen him And that's all that really matters Is that I chose him And Now he is My bloodline He is my family The spiritual is stronger Than the physical realm So it overrides All of that So just you know I guess I had to really get a revelation of how powerful the spiritual realm really is and how that really trumps everything that's in the natural. Yeah, I come from a very similar perspective. Obviously, I don't think I have unless I'm not remembering it yet, which, God forbid, that'd be terrible. No, no, no. So I text this to them, and I'm just going to kind of read this just because I feel like there could be somebody else that could use this. Romans 8.23 says, We too wait with eager hope for the day when God gives us our full rights as his adopted children, which is what you were talking about being grafted in, right, including the new bodies he has promised us. We were given this hope when we were saved. And so I said to them in a text message, because of your salvation, you can eagerly wait for the day that God gives you the full rights as his children grafted into his family tree, including new bodies he has promised. And the idea is that, you know, this manipulated DNA, this manipulated body is going away anyways. It is. Exactly. It's our spirit that matters. Exactly. I mean, that's what the Lord showed me. Like, I had a lot of anger. I was like, why did it take him so long to rescue me? Because I was 30 when I got rescued. And, you know, he just really showed me that he had my spirit in the palm of his hand. He even changed my name regarding that. But, you know, that our spirit is that important. That's what really counts. Yeah. So I want to talk about, like, what that was like. being saved, like, you know, how did that even come about, right? But before we get into that, going back to the astral side of things, were you taken into the astral or were you met in the astral? Like, you know what I mean? So, like, there's people that we discussed that intentionally go into the astral. They have meetings. They traffic people. How are you getting into the astral? Is that something that they abused you into doing and learning how to do and knowing how to do? Yeah. So they do demonic or satanic rituals where a lot of times they'll have a person there and they're going to sacrifice that person. And they say, if you don't ask the demons to come into you to take you to this location, then we're going to kill this person. So there's always a threat. It's not your own life. Exactly. So it's your, really, I say it's your Jesus heart or the heart that God put within you that has that compassion that they're trying to manipulate. So therefore, you take on those demons and you go to wherever they tell you to go. And then sometimes in the satanic rituals, they take you where they want you to go. But there are times where you're at other remote locations where you have to go. So as somebody who's never done such things, not that I'm aware of, I mean, maybe, but I don't think so. What is that like? I mean, the only thing I have access to is Hollywood, right? And so I try to tell people the idea of the upside down for Stranger Things. It's a real thing. I mean, there is another plane of existence that is operating. There's warfare happening. There's agendas that happen there. And I also am aware that people often say when they have a near-death experience, it was more real than here. It felt so real. I mean, as far as you can recall, I mean, what is that experience? What it feels like. Yeah, like what does it feel like? But does it look like this? Does it have trees? What is there, you know? Like I don't know. I guess the best way I can give you like a physical way of explaining it is like, you know, with the Lord of the Rings, when he put the ring on and he would, it was like he would, It would be kind of fuzzy, and he could kind of see things around, but it was very distorted. It's kind of like that. It's kind of like feeling like you're passing out, or when they take you to the brink of death, like doing torture on you. It feels like your spirit is kind of getting sucked out of your body, like you're passing out. you just said it, you just triggered me oh no, you just triggered me I'm sorry you just said spirit being sucked out of your body because that's something that I've talked about on the show as well people have discussed this idea that as far as I can remember as far as I can remember it's been mostly talked about when it comes to the abduction E.T. type stuff which we already talked about being very demonic but that there's this interest in the human soul and I think we called it soul-sucking in the one episode but even biblically speaking Ezekiel 13.18 talks about these prophetesses that they were bad ladies and they were doing these they were being reprimanded and God said that how long are you going to be sewing magic bands and on the hunt for human souls or something like that. Like there is a biblical precedent that there are people who were hunting human souls, right? Absolutely. And so when you said that aspect of things, have you ever experienced anything like that? Have you seen or heard somebody talking about the interest of the human soul or anything like that? yeah like hunting souls yeah hunting souls or or like we were talking like i asked you earlier like why are they doing this to you like what what's the point you know it was there ever a discussion that you overheard that were them say directly to you like we want the human soul for whatever you know right well i mean specifically infants they they love to like hunt a an infant human soul because they get like a demonic power from that and then they can draw the blood and then it's like they go to a higher plane demonically. And they like to act it out in the physical realm as well because when they act it out in the physical realm, it's like it catapults them more into a higher level, you know, or all about getting higher levels because of the pride. But, I mean, like in the mountains, they do a lot of hunting where they release you into the mountains and you're completely alone. And then they cause demons to hunt you, but then they physically hunt you as well. So they're really hunting your soul and your body. So you're physically in the mountains and you're being hunted by? By the people that are trafficking humans. But also demons. Yes. So, this is crazy. So, years ago, yeah, I'm not going to mention the politician's name because I don't know. I just don't know. I had heard that there's a ranch in Texas that will capture illegal immigrants or maybe not just illegal immigrants. And they'll release them on this very large ranch to go and hunt them and kill them. It's a sport, right? Yeah. So is it something like that? Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing. Wow. It really is. I mean, and, you know, of course, you know, all of those kids at the border, that was done intentionally. That was strategically planned to get more children in MKUltra and to program them. They didn't just disappear. I mean, that was done intentionally. So, yeah, I mean, absolutely. That's exactly what they're doing. They're hunting their soul, but then they're also hunting their body. so they're doing that at the same time jeez wow this is mind tripping I feel like there's so many different weird routes to go down with this because I mean this is the kind of stuff they make movies about right? It is and you know that's why they make those movies to desensitize so then when somebody sees it they're like oh well they're just making it up from a movie There's legitimately a movie about that hunting aspect of things. I forget what it's called. Do you remember what it's called? The Hunt. The Hunt. There it is. I remember when it came out, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Because I had recently heard about this one specific case, and they made a movie about it. They did it on purpose to mirror that so that when survivors come forward, they'll say, oh, that was in a movie. They were just making it up. Right. It's just like the Truman Show. I mean, that is a major programming movie. Like, that is the whole basis for denial programming. Cameras everywhere. That's what they do. So, yeah, it very much is very strategic in how they do the movies, for sure. That's wild. So we hit on some sensitive names today. I'm assuming, and I'm not asking you to name drop everybody, But there's a lot, isn't there? There is a lot. We're talking about probably Hollywood to politicians and sports stars. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, high-level names, people that were just in office. You know, there's just a lot. And it's hard to see that play out because when you are in MKUltra, So they let you know ahead of time what their plan is in government or in Hollywood or whatever, who they're going to lift up, who they're going to put in office. So you know that ahead of time. So it's done strategically to cause terror and torment ahead of time. It's kind of like a bomb to go off to keep you quiet. So, yeah. You know, there's some really suspicious things surrounding Michael Jackson's life, you know. Do you think that he was a victim or a victimizer or rather? I think it was MKUltra. Yeah, that's what I thought too. I definitely believe that without a doubt. Normally, what happens is they use, if someone is MKUltra, they will use, like, their music, you know, anything about them. It's what will be in pretty much every victim in their, like, normal denial life. They'll play it over and over and over because they have been ritualized. You know, that music has been used in rituals to torture them or other people. Britney Spears is another one. Oh, absolutely. I mean, she's just off her rocker, you know. And I would say she's still, I wouldn't say maybe, I would say she is still being ritualized and tortured. Really? that's interesting because her dad lost I guess her dad had some real strong legal stronghold over her for a long time and he lost that but then there's just basically plug and play somebody else goes in to fill the gap I suppose her dad wasn't even the one pulling those strings he was just on the financial end I don't know well I think a lot of these Hollywood people I think Like in my situation That their so-called parents Were actually their programmers And their handlers So because you see A lot of Just not right stuff going on I think a lot of time It's that Because they come across as a Caring, compassionate You know We just care My handlers and programmers Took me to Christian hospitals like in the natural Christian hospitals like Rafa like in Texas and I trying to think about other Mimers Meyer under the guise of getting me help when they were actually programming me At the hospital? Yes. Wow. Wow. So these hospitals are still in existence? Yeah. I mean, I know Mimers Meyer is. I'm not saying that the whole hospital's bad, but they're infiltrated with people. yeah anybody listening that works there it's like you know that one door in the basement that says you're not allowed to go in it goes down deeper like you think you're on the basement level it's not ask the Lord what you need to do next exactly especially if it's cracked open you may not want to because it might be an invite oh man I mean I don't know I guess I've been I've found myself in some some hairy situations in life, but, uh, finding a cracked open basement door in a basement, it's not one of them. I don't know if I had to go into it either. Yeah. I probably wouldn't recommend it unless the Lord says go in. Yeah. Uh, I forget what I was watching recently. Um, it was something, it was, it was, uh, like a TV show or something. I forget what it was now I just had this image of they were locking people up and I want to say it was I know what it was now it's a TV show on Netflix that I watched the first season of second season isn't all that great neither was the first it's called Wednesday based off the Addams Family the girl Wednesday the Addams Family is a very dark dark dark story. And they made an entire TV show off of Wednesday who was a very dark individual. And in the second season, there is an episode where she, and I was like half watching it. For whatever reason, she decided, she had to infiltrate a local hospital that had some people locked up. I think it was her uncle that was locked up in it. And so she basically has this whole scheme that basically the security goes down at the hospital, power goes out, and they have these people locked in these cages or cells in a sub-basement level that they all got out and they started running away and everything. And now I'm thinking, that might have been based off reality. It is. It is. I mean, they did a lot of programming about Cousinette for me because I have long hair because it's like a monster. So, yeah, they've used that a lot in programming for me. Yeah. Like, yeah, that TV show, I should look at it a little different. It really, if people would ask the Lord, like, because I think the Holy Spirit was trying to show you something, you know. Yeah. Like, I really, their eyes would be opened at how much they watch is an actual ritual that we've gone through. You know, and that's the thing, like, with the Netflix stuff, it started back when I think my son, I was driving truck and my son was just a baby. Because I was sleeping on the couch for a while because I would leave the house at like 6 o'clock in the morning. Right. And I didn't want to wake up the baby and her, so I was sitting on the couch. I wasn't in the doghouse. Not in trouble. Yeah. But I started watching Netflix to fall asleep at night in the basement of the living room. And I guess the Netflix algorithm picked up on what I do or whatever. I don't know. But, like, it started feeding me these, like, darker shows. And I started noticing, like, trends on these shows. And I was like, I bet that's real. I bet that's real. It is. And hearing you talk and other people talk, it sounds like almost like a mirror image to some of these shows. Absolutely. You know, I mean, there's people in Hollywood specifically there to recreate. What's actually happening. What's actually happening. Wow. It's like a mirror, and they get more demonic power from doing that. It's like telling somebody what you're doing, but not telling them. So it's like they get demonic power from that. Jeez. So, Jack, do me a favor and look up the Netflix show. I can't remember what it's called, but it's like there's these werewolves and covens of witches, and they fight each other. And there's like tons of like, I mean, it's a dark show. Like I actually had to stop watching because I felt like I was getting sucked into the storyline too much, you know, because when I started watching it I was like oh let's watch this and then I was like oh this is actually interesting I should watch this so that I can like have my brain working in this direction because I felt like I should know because like inside you know this stuff's happening it's just at least giving me insight and the more I watched I was like I felt uncomfortable you know but like it's a show on Netflix and they were like it takes place at a college or something like that And it's like the witches are part of this college and the professors, some of the professors are part of it. And they're teaching these students like the arts. And it got like sacrificial and very demonic. And it wasn't like that in the first season. And that's the way it usually always happens. It's like this slow progression. And I just I started thinking, like, what are the odds that all these shows just so happen to go down this dark road as it progresses? They're showing you what's actually happening. Right. And two, what they're doing is they'll do a ritual as they're making that, that recreates it. And they will really ask the demons to go. And in the demonic realm, like, it's like a trance that kind of comes over people when they watch it. Yeah. So it, like, opens doors. Yeah. For them to be attacked. That's interesting. I can't remember what it's called if you come up with it. The Order? The Order, yes. At some point I was like I can't watch this anymore. It felt icky. And they get worse and worse and worse because they know that those demons will get a hold and I'm not saying people or, like, have demons on the inside, but they're attacking them, and it opens a door, so then they're kind of sucked into that realm, and it just gets worse and worse and worse. Yeah, and I wonder, like, I mean, you just said sucked into that realm, and it's like, these movies, these TV shows, they can be used as tools to suck people into the occult. Absolutely. I mean, the interest, I think there's, maybe it's the human nature. Maybe it's because we deeply understand that we're more supernatural than what we're being told. But there's this, like, interest in that, like, the supernatural. And when you're watching it on these TV shows, they're giving you the perverted side of it. And if they can suck you in with that, it goes right along with that witch that I was telling you about beforehand, that he was studying to be a pastor, decided to study the occult to know his enemy, and he got sucked into it, and he's full-blown practicing. And it's like how many people maybe get sucked in just through TV shows and movies and such, not realizing what's actually happening in the moment. Yeah, because I think that God created us to live in the spiritual realm, to be aware of it and converse with him and talk with him and angels and stuff like that. So I think that the enemy, that pure desire that we have, that we were created to have, tries to pervert that and use it for evil with everything, of course. Yeah, man. All right, let's find out how this chapter of your life ends. Like you say, you've referenced several times you've been rescued, you were rescued. Yes. Like, what, how, what happened? Like, what does that look like? Absolutely. So, you know, I was still being traffic, program, all of those things. But the Lord was working really throughout my life now that I go back and look at it to get me, you know, get me out of all of that. And so the denial part of my brain, it started cracking. The memories of the rituals and things like that were coming through. To the surface. Yeah, they were coming to the surface. That's not good for anybody. Yeah, I know. They were coming to the surface. And so that's when they started sending me to these Christian hospitals to reprogram me to do intense torture and all those things. Because really, the first five years is to build that foundation of programming. So they continue to do that But it's not intense Like it was like the first five years It's like a 24-7 thing So you're really terrified of ever having to go back To the hospital Because at least when you're being tortured And trafficked and all that In kind of your program life Like you have breaks, a little break here and there, you know, when you're at school or, you know what I'm saying? So that, you know, those memories started coming back more and more. And so they were scrambling to reprogram me, taking me to these hospitals and stuff like that. But my memories kept coming back, kept coming back. So they have a list Like I said they have a list of Ministries that really are making headway With SRA or MKUltra That are making any difference at all And they'll target those people So before they send you anywhere They always do programming And rituals around the people that you're going to So like the Christian ministry And I won't say the name of the ministry But the Christian ministry They sent me to There was about Four SRA and K-O-L-T-R-A-B-O That was sent at the same time And Before they sent us there They programmed us Through extreme torture Electrocution, things like that They would put their picture up the people from the ministry their picture up, play their voice during rituals when things were going on, use their healing in the ministry manual, and just twist it. A lot of preparation before you're sent there to make sure you don't get free. But they have a lot of pride about the product that they create through MKUltra and Mind Control. So in their pride, they send you there thinking, well, they're just going to follow through with what we programmed them to do. So I was sent to this ministry. When I went there, these people began to pray for me. There are the people that gave me a place to live and gave me a job and just loved me. I've never been loved. Not one instance of love my entire life. Of course, in my mind, these people, like I've been told, they're just, they're the same. Like nobody, nobody's going to be kind to me. Like everybody's going to hurt me and that's what I deserve. So I was just waiting for when they were going to start trafficking me. And I was still going back to my traffickers back and forth in this ministry. But what they didn't bet on is the power of Jesus to bring truth to the lies that we believe. And I got truth at the deepest level of who I am about who I am, like that I wasn't evil, that I wasn't bad. And I got truth about Jesus and that he wasn't evil. He wasn't the person that came dressed up and, you know, was Jesus and raped me. That's not who he is. I've heard that before. Yeah. That's a common practice, isn't it? It is. Wow. Very common practice. so I got truth about who he is and who I was and so it took about, it was around seven years and I was sent there to take down the ministry to say like the whole goal and you know we were talking about hope you have to have like some hope for the future to continue on well their false hope for me was Once I went there And took down the ministry They would assign me A husband I would get him As my handler Which pretty much meant I wouldn't be tortured every day And trafficked every day I would just have someone to control me Because you know I'm evil and I'm bad And that's my fault So that was like freedom to me So When I went there And I kept getting more and more They kept praying for me And more and more truth At really deep level A lot of it was like Jesus coming in And just like in the worst Like screaming At terror Of what I went through And speaking truth To the depth of my Like the core of my being Of who I am and who he is And so I was supposed to say that the ministry leader was raping me and hurting me and that, you know, and discredit him, cause him to have to go to jail. They told me that they would kill his kids. I loved his kids. I love them. They would kill his kids if I didn't go through with it. So there's a lot of things that this is going to happen if you don't go through what we said to do. People I was trying to protect. People I was trying to keep from being hurt. And, of course, all of us alive. They don't ever follow through with what they say they're going to give me. So I got healing enough to a degree that Jesus showed me that I could be free, that I didn't deserve to be tortured and hurt anymore. And he showed me that he wanted me to be free. And so I went, you know, in this town where this ministry was, there were lawyers involved. There were police officers involved. There were judges involved. And I went to the police and I said, okay, this Christian minister, he's not evil. He's not bad. He's not done anything. This is who hurt me. And I tell them about my traffickers and the programmers and all of that. And when I did that, it broke the power they had over me, off of me, because they were controlling my mind. Like, physically, they couldn't control me anymore, but they could mentally control me through what they programmed me. So I told the truth about what, you know, consciously, like I said, wasn't there doing that, like knowing this is what I'm here for. In the denial, I was there to not be depressed anymore, not be suicidal anymore. But the Lord healed me and showed me the truth. And like I said, the minister and his wife and his family are doing amazing. There were other people sitting at the same time. And because I went and told the truth, none of the plan against this ministry happened. None of it went through. Like they're doing great and prospering now. But if it hadn't been for These people saying yes Like the Lord really shown me It made a difference to me In our yes And what he asked us to do But the Lord said You know what Hope I asked thousands of people to help you And they were the first people that said yes They Instead of just taking at face value They pushed and prayed and ministered and went the extra mile. And had they not have done that, I wouldn't be sitting here today. But the Lord used them to rescue me. The Lord used them to believe what most people would say are laws and just made up and to see the truth that I needed to be rescued. And so I think it took a lot. It took a yes from them and not giving up. And then it took Jesus unraveling, like deprogramming, like Daniel DeVos talks about it, took that deprogramming. And like I said, it took seven years. And my prayer is other people getting free, that it doesn't take so long. that when they go and people start ministering to them, that they ask and are able to expose the evil people's plans ahead of time. But even in that situation, God, he used it all for good. So that's how I got set free. And, you know, I've been seeking healing for 20 years. And Daniel Duvall is one of those people that have really, he believes the truth of what MKUltra's survivors have been through. And it's going to take more and more people, you know, believe in the truth for people to get free. Because it's too hard to do it on your own. Like, you need people that love Jesus. Like, I've never been forgiven before. and being forgiven is huge. You know, the power of that. Are you familiar with Kelly Hawley? Sounds promoting. She's out of Georgia. I just talked to her last week. It just hit me in the head because she has a ministry where she helps people through these kinds of situations. Yeah. But so they help you. You're saved out of this. I'm sure they didn't just let you go. I mean, has there been or is there continual attempts of trying to get you back in? Yeah. So. Because you're considered an asset, right? Like, that's what I understand. Well, I mean, they spend 24-7 for 30 years. So, of course, they're not going to just let you go at all. But, yeah, they tried to, I mean, they had private investigators, you know, people following me, police officers following me, showing up at where I worked. But, you know, what comes to my mind is one instance where it just shows you the power of God. They showed up. I was, you know, I was terrified really at the beginning. Like when I first got completely free, I was terrified. Like I did not really talk to a person or was around anybody because I took what I had, which I didn't have much, from where I was and I went to another town. Didn't tell anybody where I was living, anything. Like just went. So The Lord I guess really He had to show me That he It's like in the Bible where it talks about Is it Elijah Or Lasha Where his servant Is like freaked out You know And he's like Well open his eyes and he saw all this army that was on his side, you know, and they were really invisible to the enemy. And so the evil people, they had tracked me to where I was at, and they, like, drove right past me. And the Lord really gave me a literal example of really being invisible to them. Like, they could not get near me. Like his fire was around me and all of these armies of angels were protecting me. And I couldn't be like accessed by them anymore because I didn't have any control over my mind. So, yeah, I mean, it just shows me like my rescuer would always say, you know, you and Jesus are the majority. like you and him you'll be alright if you're with him so yeah I mean it sounds really like an easy but it was very very hard like it was I mean it was excruciating but yeah they have tried they've showed up at church that I worked at or went to they showed up at my husband's job Yeah. He was saying that earlier. Yeah. But they don't have any more power. They try to use people that are still getting tortured by them, like other victims against me to try to lure me back. But the Lord really had to show me that me standing in freedom is the best way for them to get free. Like, they're going to hurt them no matter what I do. That's just who they are. So me standing in truth and sharing my story and sharing about who Papa God is and who Jesus is gives them an open door to get free. So that's what I, that's just, I stand with him on that. Just shows you the power of who he is. Yeah. So as we bring it in for landing, I want to give you an opportunity to talk about your ministry now. Yeah. what's it called? I mean, I think we know what you're doing. All right. Yeah, lay it out for people. You know, I had pretty much told the Lord, like, I just lay it all down. Like, I didn't think that I would have a ministry doing this, but he, in the last probably year, took me to Rev 17 with Pastor Dave and Cheryl, and they're setting up a safe house there. And while I was there, I met some people with Elijah Streams and Kim, my manager, and the Lord's kind of fast-tracked it. And I think I had to get to a certain level of healing. You know, I've been in healing with Daniel Duvall for at least 10 years. But my ministry is called HBG International Which Hope Burrell Green International So he's redeemed me and called me by name And it's just a picture of his redemption And his hope Like we do have hope for the future The Lord's really commissioned me To take the truth of MKUltra To the true church Educate them Empower them Help them so that people aren't Re-victimized by the church But they're actually There's a safe place for For survivors To land And to get free So I'm doing hope conferences That'll start in January I'll be doing that I do coaching for survivors So many survivors don't have money to get coaching, to get the healing that they need. And then my next book, you know, I have to tell the truth, which is my life story. And then my healing journey is my next book. And it'll probably be out around January. It's called From Hell to Hope, A Survivor's Journey. So just to really educate people And also for survivors To see like there's been so many that have read my story And been like their memories start coming back Or they're like oh wow I'm not crazy Like I went through those things you know And I'm doing a Like a group ministry Journey of hope for any survivors that want kind of like a community. And in prayer of hope, like we talked about earlier, just kind of warring in the Spirit and letting the Holy Spirit war for victims and survivors. Well, I mean, it takes people like yourself to go about this. I don't think if somebody hasn't gone through this, You can only go so far as to knowing and understanding the victim of it, you know. I mean, I can get frustrated about the Epstein list not being dropped, right, but I don't have a clue as to the depths of what it's like going through those victims, you know. So I think it's good that you're doing this. And my hope is that, my hope. What a great name to adopt yourself into, right? It's been a lot of sentences. Yeah. But I hope that there's a lot of other people out there like yourself that post being saved and the healing can come to help other people as well. And it might look different for everybody because I imagine there is probably a level of triggering that happens just by talking to other victims and counseling with them. so be careful to you and everybody else out there that might have to go through it it's got to be the Lord's time in his way absolutely I know that I've gone through things in my life that I couldn't I don't think I could really help other people through because it would just mess me up too much personally you got to have your own healing before you try to help someone else I used to smoke a ton right and so like I don't know like if I was trying to help somebody else not smoke, I'd be like, I probably want to find myself smoking before. I'd be like, oh, that's sweet and extra. It's like coffee for me. I'm drinking coffee and I'm drinking coffee. No, I appreciate you coming in and I'm really glad that Kim reached out early. Yeah, me too. You're here in Tennessee and so I was just like, why did she just come to the studio, you know? Well, I feel like we're family. It feels very ordained by the Holy Spirit. Do you mind if I pray for you? Please, please. Yeah. Holy Spirit, I just thank you so much for Tony, for his wife, for the whole team. I just ask that you would just bless them beyond all they could ask, think, or imagine, that the desires of their heart would be met by you, Lord, and that they would just have angels and angels and angels, just an army of angels all around and about them, around their phones and their emails and everywhere they go, Lord. I just thank you for who they are. I thank you for them being willing to share the truth, to see the truth, and to educate others, Lord. I just thank you for them. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Thanks for coming in today. Thank you. 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