"The Constitution Party" with Eastern States Chairman Bob Goodrich

And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Welcome to The Politics Prepping and Paranormal Podcast. Flibbity-jibbity-nonsense. I thought it was terrific. It's not just big, it's you! Welcome to the Politics Prepping and Paranormal Podcast. My name is Jeff Moore and I'm your host. So much going on in the political landscape these days and so much to talk about. I'll get back to prepping and paranormal soon, but keeping with the political content, this week I want to discuss what it means to be a constitutional conservative and having the courage to break free from the uniparty and put values above party. Now, I freely admit, although I still support him, I often criticize President Trump and his policies and decisions. I think apart from Ronald Reagan, who was in office when I was born, He is by far the best president we've had in this country. But for all the good he has done, and I do think he's done a lot of good, he equally has made some very bad decisions, and he oftentimes caused the United States to be viewed and portrayed in a very bad way on the world stage. President Trump has in the past supported red flag gun laws, imposed crushing tariffs on other countries that has had immediate adverse effects on the American economy, supported and continues to support some of the worst congressional rhinos, including Lindsey Graham, lead crusades and smear campaigns against anyone in the Republican Party that dares question or oppose him, such as Thomas Massey, Rand Paul, or Marjorie Taylor Greene, threatened to outright take over Greenland, and now inching us closer to war with Iran. After spending most of his break in between terms accusing Barack Obama and Joe Biden of weaponizing the justice system. In some cases, he's essentially done the exact same thing against his political opponents. He has deep and disturbing ties to Israel, and probably for me personally, my number one problem with Trump was his unwavering support for the COVID vaccine and the fact that he essentially to this day at least won't admit that he was wrong. For all these reasons and more, I just can't sit here and say that President Trump stands unequivocally with the American people and especially the Constitution and all that he does. The problem that true constitutional conservatives such as myself always have is that we take the view that we have to vote for whoever is the best choice on the ballot come Election Day, even if they don't stand for everything we believe in. but so long as Washington is run by the wealthy elites and elections are bought and sold via fundraising special interests and super PACs we'll never see true change unfortunately this is the harsh reality that we're faced with today register and vote along party lines and support who we are told to support simply because they're the best choice on the ballot And now many Republicans are given the choice. Support who President Trump says to support or face backlash and retaliation from the Republican Party. Well, today I'm pleased to welcome Bob Goodrich, the Eastern States Chairman of the Constitution Party, to talk about the party and what they are doing to bring constitutional values back to America. We don't run, we don't punch clocks We build, we break, we rise again With a Bible, a badge, and a ballpoint pen Yeah, I'm loud, I'm proud I was forged this way Straight down Without further ado, I want to welcome Bob Goodrich to the show Welcome, Bob Thank you, good to be with you Before we get into the Constitution Party Would you tell the audience a little about your background? what first got you into politics and your journey to become Eastern States chairman. I have always been labeled what was probably a conservative. Family is important to me. God is important. Church is important to me. And then I spent 25 years in the Army. And while I was in the Army, I continued as a conservative, but certainly was not outspoken or involved, just a voter. Retired from the Army, become a Christian school principal, and I saw a piece on the Constitution Party. And when I saw it, I was intrigued. I inquired, got involved, starting at the local, the county level. Eventually, that was about 2010. 2012 became more involved at the state level and have been eastern area chairman now for I guess a couple of years what really got me involved was concern over things that I saw things that were happening or not happening that I thought should and could be done better for our country and for of people. Very good. Well, can you tell us a little bit what your normal day life would be like, like a normal nine to five? And I know you obviously have a job outside of being the director, but how does that entail what you do on a normal daily basis? So I'm a Christian school principal. And again, as I've said, I retired from the army and I volunteer my time at the school. And because I do that at school and the board are very understanding about as long as I do my job and meet the requirements, I do have some flexibility. I do have some latitude to coordinate, talk, work, not only with the Constitution Party, but in some of the other endeavors that I'm involved in and in my community. And I'm a Gideon, a member of the Volunteer Fire Department. I'm a member of American Legion or VFW. I'm a member of my church, of course, and that's tied to the school. But anyway, I do have some flexibility and latitude as long as my job here at the school is being done. And what needs to be taken care of is taken care of. And so typically I arrive at school 7 in the morning. I do have an aunt who's a volunteer. And I take her home from school every day at 1230. She comes in the morning and spends time in the classroom. I take her home every day at 1230. She's had a full day by that point in time. So it gives me a short break. And then back to school, typically here until 3. I do sponsor two clubs, one on Wednesday afternoon, one on Thursday afternoon. So I don't get home until 4.30 to 5 those days. But the other days, I'm typically home around 3. And most evenings of the week, the first two weeks of the month, I do have a meeting every single night of the week. And so it keeps me busy. In between times and in between meetings, I try to work on little projects here and there. Manage to keep busy all of the time. By the way, I do want to mention I have a lovely wife, Becky. We've been married for 41 years this summer. We have seven children, 15 grandchildren, and one great. And so we're blessed. Bob, you got to be exhausted at the end of the day. You wear a lot of different hats, brother. That's a lot going on for one person to manage. Yeah. Well, so for those who are not aware of the party, its charter and its mission, would you kind of break it down for us and explain a little bit more about it? Okay, so we are a political party. Think of us no different than the Democrats and Republicans. Just that we're smaller and by state statutes in all of the states, we're either recognized as a third party, a minor political party, a political body, a political entity. Each of the states has their own criteria, definition, and name for other bodies other than the Democrats and Republicans, since they are the dominant large parties that we see today. So the party is so. Again, think of us as a political party. Our goal is to influence politics. And I say that in a positive way, not a negative way. Anybody who runs for office is there for a reason to either promote or not promote a certain vantage point or position. And likewise, we do too. So we intend, desire to run candidates while organized as a party. The party itself, the name is significant. In simple terms, we believe that if we followed the Constitution, we'd solve most of our nation's problems. Let me give you an example. And I don't mean to be funny and I don't mean to be, how do I say it, demeaning in any way. But let me just say this. The last time our country declared war was December the 8th, 1941. Think of that. And yeah, our Constitution outlines a way to war. If we're going to go to war, this is what we do. Pass in Congress and we go to war. Then we go to war, we win and we get out. I want you to think about it. We were in Korea, no declaration of war. We're in Vietnam, no declaration of war. We can go through Panama, Grenada, Somalia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, all of these, as well as Operation Iraqi Freedom that I served in, as well as Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan. Now, here's what I'm going to tell you, and I want to be very clear on this particular issue. whether or not we should have gone to war is a separate issue. But once we commit forces and we commit lines, it should be done through a declaration of war. And what that does is it puts responsibility upon us as a nation, legislators and the president to do what's right for our soldiers, win the war, and then come home. And instead, we found it convenient, we found it easy to commit troops, and they might be in the best interest of our country. I'm just saying we should do it under a declaration of war. That is one example that we should follow the Constitution on. By the way, and again, I have strong feelings about Iraq, and they'll probably come out. I spent 708 days there before I was wounded, and then was made of back, back, and another six, nine months at war to read after that. So, but the real point is we shouldn't just whimsically make decisions and commit troops without knowing what the intent is. The purpose of our military is to fight and win our nation's wars. We use them in that manner, and then we come home. And instead, at the end of the day, we can look at many of these, I'm going to call them conflicts. Korea, still committed troops in Korea. Vietnam No commitment of troops today but everything we stood for we lost We continue to have troops all around the world Bosnia 5 Poland Ukraine defense another 5 Sinai Peninsula another 1 Foreign of Africa we still have troops. Niger, what was it? Three months ago, we had an ambush in which American soldiers were killed in Niger and Africa. Again, I've gotten way off track. The point is we should just simply follow the Constitution. And that's what our party stands for. Now, I would like to point out two other things that are very significant to the party, our platform, where we stand. Number one, we are adamant about pro-life, protection of life. Those people who don't have the ability to speak for themselves need a voice to stand up for them. And that's number one. Number two, we are for limited government. We cannot continue to spend and live in debt. Again, I'm not an economist, but let me just give you a short comment here from the Goodrich point of view. And it is, we continue to spend without any money that's there. And because of that, in order to be able to service that, pay the interest, and continue to spend, we end up creating more money, making more money, printing more money, however you want to say it. I'm not a smart person. But what I will tell you is when you flood the market with money, inflation is a natural result. and eventually what's going to happen is someone's going to have to pay that bill, inflation's going to hit, and who's going to be hurt is the middleman and the people lower on the totem pole. Today we're doing okay. I'm just going to tell you disaster is going to strike if we continue on that path. So again, adamantly pro-life but fiscally conservative as a party and we need to limit government. And then it goes beyond that, intrusion into people's lives. Government needs to stay out of people's lives. There is a reason for interest. There is a necessity for government to sometimes be in. I'm a township supervisor. That's another duty I have. I'm an elected official. I was just reelected for the third time for another six-year term in November. And, you know, one of the things that happens in the small communities, we have a nuisance ordinance. But I'll tell you what, every time we have to act in the nuisance ordinance, I have to weigh it out because there are people with individual rights. The problem is when their trash bag gets so high that it brings in rats and it affects their neighbors, we have to act. And we act before it gets to that point. But there's always a tension. There's a balance that needs to be kept between the individual rights of the people and how they should be able to live their lives without government intrusion. And then, of course, the application or the enforcement of a nuisance ordinance, which is really how does it affect another neighbor? And that's a good example of it. But as a whole, limited government stay out of my life and let me move forward. Lower my taxes because we don't get a good bang for the buck to start with. but limited government and quote, like, what a long way. I can't disagree with the thing you said. I mean, eventually China, eventually all these people that hold our debt, they're going to cash it in. At some point, what are we going to do? What are we going to do when they cash it in? I agree with you 100%. I mean, we have a president now. I voted for Trump three times, but we have a president now who just goes and just pretty much does whatever he wants. I mean, he doesn't consult Congress with anything. You know, we invaded Venezuela. now we're about to invade Iran possibly I mean there's just there's no ifs ands or whats he just goes and does whatever he wants and that's not how the founding fathers set it up um I mean pro-life I mean I'm a Christian as well I mean I 100% could not agree with you more on that that's that shouldn't be a choice in my opinion I don't think you know and that just comes down to values plain and simple I mean it just comes down to faith and values and what people believe and And I'm sorry if people don't believe that, but that's what God intended. Yep, I agree. So with the Constitution Party, how can we finally break through the uniparty system? Because, I mean, really at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, the problem with – really, it's just the uniparty. With the GOP and with the Democrats, it always comes down to money. It always comes down to funding at the end of the day. How can we compete against the super PACs, against the special interests? How can we get good candidates in office and get the attention, get on the ballot? I'm sure that's the biggest challenge facing the party right now. Am I right? Oh, absolutely. And, you know, as a minor party, as a third party, in all of the states, the requirements to get on the ballot are much greater, much higher, simply because of the way the laws are written. And by the way, let's think this through. Who controls the legislatures and who controls who has political power now, the D's and the R's? and they benefit from that system. Let's face it. And do they ever want to split it up and give another group? I don't care. Pick another third party. But do they ever want to split up and give some of their party to another entity? Absolutely not. So they aren't, I'm keeping it. And, you know, my, again, at the state level goes back to 2012 and we tried to get on the ballot and a long, hard process. And things have changed in Pennsylvania. I'm speaking about here in Pennsylvania. We were trying to get our presidential candidate on the ballot in 2012. And we were required to get 21,000 signatures based upon this formula. And we actually got 36, 37,000. And of course, what happens? We get challenged. We got challenged by the Republican Party and the libertarians got challenged by the Democratic Party. We had to provide people and attorneys and go and verify signatures. I will tell you, it was my first go at it. I wasn't as smart then as I am now. I just didn't have the experience. But I will tell you, having run for office myself, particularly at the local level, I've had a lot of things happen. And let me give you a couple of examples, people, because the signatures are challenged. This is not the person's signature. Again, my first go at it, I didn't really know what I was doing until when you compare a signature on a driver's license or what's recorded at the DMV with what's on the nomination paper, nomination petition, you can sometimes, but here, let me just give you a couple of examples. Number one, everybody ages. And sometimes people can get a little small tremor or shake in there. Number two, I've had mothers sign when they're holding a baby in one hand, and I'm holding a clipboard. I've had people take the clipboard and put it on the banister, which really wasn't all that steady, and they sign. I've had people that had a stroke. I had a man in my community who had a stroke, and I would have hurt his feelings if I hadn't asked for his signature. He likes me, and so I got his signature. And I'll tell you, it was a lot of work on his part just to write it. But I'm convinced it didn't look. So my point is, there's lots of reasons why people's signature may not look the same. So in 2012, we collected over 36,000 signatures, could not get our candidate on the presidential, listed as a presidential candidate on the ballot here in Pennsylvania because of the challenge process and the number of signatures that were thrown out, one of which was my own signature. And my story is when I say I'm technically a senior, I have a junior, I never signed senior, I never do, I never have. But I have a son that's in, I didn't put senior next to my name, And it was disallowed. But on my driver's license, also, it doesn't say I don't sign this tenure. And, you know, when you get into those sorts of things, and this is where the two major parties have gone astray. They have adopted a policy of power over principle. We'll do what we need to do to keep the power because we believe that we can fix the system. The problem is once you trade principle, it doesn't make any difference. You are unprincipled and you're not going to change your system. And so they will go to great lengths. I've been challenged a number of times here in Pennsylvania as we've tried to get candidates on the ballot. And, of course, we're getting ready to run a candidate for governor and we'll see what happens. But I expect we'll be challenged again. Well, now that I've really forgotten the real question, your question was, what do we need to do to see a breakthrough? My first part is the other two parties don't want to give up their chunk of the pie. And I have, by the way, I have no I, and to a degree, I'm speaking for the Constitution Party as a whole. We have never asked the government for money to help us run our campaigns or to get people elected. The D's and the R's do get help. Who pays for the big conventions every four years? Okay. Taxpayers do. Taxpayers. Absolutely. Okay. So, and we've never asked for a piece of that pie. Okay. That goes against our thoughts on limited government and limited spending and the role of government. Okay, so they're not going to willingly give up a piece of the pile. So here's what we have to do. And it's not secret. And really, the strategy always needs to be a two-fold strategy. Realizing the goal at the end of the day is to change the direction of our country. The two-part strategy is, number one, run candidates. Run candidates as we're able to in major elections because that develops or gets the name of the party out in front of the people. There are people that I've been to that have never heard of the Constitution Party, and we've got to get that name out there. Now, if we get it out there enough, we're going to win some people over Now, there's always going to be people I have relatives that tell me Constitution Party can't win So if I vote for the Constitution Party I have thrown away my vote My response to that is, no, you throw away your vote When you vote for the lesser of two evils And that's what we are doing That's what we've been doing for decades We're literally voting for the lesser of two evils. And people are going to say, I know what you're getting into, and that's what people are always going to say, that you're squandering a vote because, like you said, they have no chance to win. And we have to support at least the best candidate on the ballot And I get the train of thought but at some point somebody has to take a stand and somebody has to say there a different way and we have to get different candidates on the ballot at some point. Absolutely. The wasted vote is the vote when a person's heart is not in it, and they don't believe. That is the wasted vote. I have voted many times for Constitution Party candidates. and we haven't won. But you know what? I walked away from the election booth knowing I voted with conviction. That was not a wasted vote. So point number one is, in this kind of strategy that I've thrown out, is number one, run candidates, hopefully in high-profile races, get the name of the party out there, get people to find out about it. And then number two is, at the same time, we have to grow the party at the grassroots level. We need some sort of organization within every single county, within every single state, and throughout the entire country. And so it's really, if I can just say it, a two-pronged attack, grow the party, local level, grassroots, and run candidate. Well, let me ask you this, because obviously I think the perception and what people are going to think is that basically Anybody that votes Constitution Party is basically taking away a vote from the GOP because let's just be real here. I mean the GOP is going to more closely align historically and today to values of the Constitution Party. There's a lot of politicians that have really kind of broken away and have alienated themselves from their own parties. They seem to have stronger constitutional values and principles than others. they frequently oppose and vote against legislation put forth from their colleagues. There's a lot of sitting legislators out there, and I'm just going to throw a few names out here and just get your thoughts on it. A Thomas Massey, a Rand Paul, a Marjorie Taylor Greene, even though she's not technically in office anymore, that to me, from actually digging deep into the legislation to how they vote, they seem to have a little bit stronger constitutional principles than others. have you guys ever tried to go after any of these politicians like to me for y'all right now this just from the outside looking in but thomas massey is getting just just berated by the gop right now especially trump and i've looked at some of his recent votes on some of the this legislation he's voted on and everybody's killing him because he's not voting but if you look at the fine print if you look at some of the and that's why we need single bill single bills plain and simple there needs to be single bill legislation that needs to be one of the biggest things in my opinion that needs to change in this country because there's always this little fine print there's always that 1012th page or something where they sneak something in the omnibus whatever it is there's always something snuck in and thomas massey for example he's not going to vote for something unless it's good legislation top to bottom and just because he doesn't support trump because he doesn't support the bill he gets berated for. And I'm not saying he's my favorite politician in any way, shape, or form, but just looking at his track record and some of his history, it just seems to me like some of these people might more closely align. Would it be in the party's interest to go after, say, a Thomas Massey or someone like that to try to get them to convert? Because then you've got that name recognition, and then you've got a potential big ticket to get on the – is that something that's ever been brought up, that's ever been talked about? Yes, it has. And I just want to use one example. I was involved in a lengthy, I'm going to call it negotiation. We can call it discussion, but I'm going to call it negotiation with a politician who is no longer in office, but a few years ago was in office and was aligned with our party and therefore not as aligned as much with the ours. And the discussion quite simply boiled down to, we're your home. We're together on the issues. And why not? And the response was very kind, very gracious. And I do understand this. But the response was, you don't understand. If I were to leave the Republican Party and join the Constitution Party, I would lose my position as chairman of a committee. And in this world, I've already said it, the goal of the Constitution Party is to change the direction of our country. And in his mind, he wanted to affect change. And he believed that his best opportunity to affect change was to stay with the Republican Party and stay in his position of chairmanship and try to, how do I say it, meander a path and negotiate a path whereby he could influence for the good. I question that. I think too many people end up really losing their footing, losing their principles. And there are many people who start out good and are elected for the right reasons, but they become Washington insiders anyway. So to answer your question, we have done that on a couple of occasions. I will tell you the party is open. I think at times, some of the ship within the party does maintain at least a dialogue with other leaders of other parties and representatives of the Republican Party. I shouldn't say other parties, the Republican Party more so. But their unwillingness to come over is not based upon us, but upon some other factors that they perceive would limit their ability to influence Washington, or in my case, talking about Pennsylvania, Harrisburg politics. But we could do that for any state. Right. Well, moving forward into the next decade or so, what are you seeing as far as younger voters out there? Are they showing interest in constitutional conservatism? You know, I'm sure outreach is always a challenge for y'all. Yeah. We frequently, and I'm speaking for the party as a whole, as you can guess, we have a wide, we have activity or at least people who identify with the party in all 50 states. And here in Pennsylvania, I'm going to even let me just take the eastern area is 12 states, starting with Maine, the New England states down to New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and then north and east of that. So all the New England states, we have activity plus Washington, D.C. So 12 states in one district, we have activity or people identify with the party in all of those 12 states in the district. of Columbia. The level of activity and the level of organization is largely based upon active and proactive and aggressive leadership. Each state has a chairman, and some chairmen are just more active and proactive than others. So, of course, Pennsylvania, the election of a governor, lieutenant governor this year, we intend on putting up a candidate, getting on the ballot, need 5,000 signatures, which really means we need 10,000 signatures to make sure that we meet the threshold to defeat a challenge. Within that, we also want to run in several places and get people on the ballot for U.S. House of Representatives and also Pennsylvania House and Pennsylvania Senate. We're still in the feeling out process of trying to find candidates because largely candidates have to fund their own campaigns and do most of the work. We just don't have a large body to do that. West Virginia, we're going to be running candidates this year. We anticipate running candidates this year. New York, same thing, running candidates this year. We have a heavy presence in New Hampshire. And again, people involved, you have an individual that's already announced the U.S. Senate in New Hampshire this year. He's working to get on the ballot. In Maine, We're trying to grow the party. New Jersey, grow the party. So those states are the ones that are the most active. But we do have others in contact in the other states of Maryland, Delaware, Connecticut, Rhode Island. We're actually growing the party in Rhode Island. to Massachusetts. I think we're about ready to turn the corner in Massachusetts. And as you know, these are largely democratic states. I'll say by my count, everything that you've said, you have one red state in there. Yeah. And that's West Virginia. Yeah. And your entire, your entire district, you have one red state. You've got to have the toughest job of any of your colleagues because you're literally sitting in an entirely blue district. And so we have a lot of work ahead of us. But again, it's one step at a time, and sometimes it's two steps forward, one step back, but we're not going to stop. Okay. Now, back to your very original question, which was youth and young people. I think in every single state we've had teenagers contact the party, not in droves. Some of them have displayed an interest of continuing to learn. They've been intrigued by what we stand for. They've been intrigued, I think, by this, why isn't there more visibility on the Constitution Party? Many different things like that. But I think at the end of the day, if we can win some of them over simply through getting them to understand the principles upon which our country was founded, we're going to make a difference. So to answer your question, young people, we've had contacts, I'm going to say, in every single state by teenagers. So there is interest out there. Has it been in droves and tons? No. But we're pushing on with what we've got. From my perspective, that's where the future of the party is going to be because the young people, I mean, just look at what Turning Point's doing out there. I mean, look at Charlie Kirk's death and the effect that's had. I mean, it's been a revolution in this country. I mean, that's, is there, you know, talk about having some kind of Turning Point type organization, like grassroots organization that goes and really canvases these colleges and these campuses. And I think because that's where it's going to start for me personally. Because I think, you know, people are inherently good people, and the Founding Fathers got it right, I mean, from the beginning. They got it right, plain and simple. We've gotten too far away from the Constitution, and I think if young voters are educated more about the principles and what this nation was founded on, I think there's going to be a lot more support. But it's, you know, we've got to quit politic, and we've got to get back to grassroots and education first and foremost. And I don't know, where do you see the party going in the next 5, 10, 20 years? Let me tell you another story. So I went to Iraq. I'd actually retired from the Army in April of 2006. In November, I was notified. Remember, things weren't going well at that particular point in time. And President Bush 43 President Bush announced a surge Now the surge was not a strategy The surge was a means And the idea was simply and let me back up just another second We invaded Iraq And again, some other time, I'll give you the eight-hour-long discourse on Iraq and the entirety of it to include what we could have, should have done better. But in any case, we invaded Iraq in March of 2003, believing the Iraqi people wanted Western-style government, democracy, allow me to call it that. But they didn't understand what it was. And in fact, they'd been under dictatorship, and to them, anarchy was really what they envisioned. But be that as it may, we're going to try to implement or introduce to them a Western-style government. And we basically wrote their constitution for them and so on. Well, Well, in the void that happened, we expected them to step up to the plate to form their own government. And they did for several reasons. They were just not prepared for it. Saddam Hussein had assassinated or annihilated any opponents he had. And so people didn't have initiative. People didn't have ability. And they'd all just, well, again, we're expecting them to step forward and no one steps forward. And in that void, al-Qaeda goes into Iraq. Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. But in the void of leadership, al-Qaeda goes in. Al-Qaeda never really waged war against the United States or against the allies, although they're a target of opportunity to take advantage of. Their real goal was to create a civil war. And you'd have to understand, again, the cultural, ethnic backgrounds that impacted all of that. And so al-Qaeda gets there and just continues creating havoc and trouble with the people. And, of course, in the course, American lives were indeed lost, although that was not the target of al-Qaeda. So anyway, in 2006, the surge is announced. And the idea of the surge is we're going to send so many soldiers there that just by sheer numbers, we're going to force contact with the guerrillas. And in doing that, we're going to be able to find them and drive them out. That's really what the surge was. Meanwhile, I get sent there, and I'm an advisor to the Iraqi government. I worked with the Minister of Interior, which to them is the police forces, the Iraqi police, National Police, and all of the police forces, Border Director of Border Enforcement, Facilities Protection. And I was an advisor at the deputy minister level. And I'm working every day with the deputy ministers for several wings there in the Ministry of Interior. and the goal was to grow that government and at the time it seemed very challenging if i could say that i was almost going to say the word hopeless but really what needed to happen was if we were going to change him they had to change your entire perspective which would take a generation saddam was saying it comes to power in 1978 we invade in 2003 he had been vice president for 10 years prior. So for 35 years, he was the government. That's all the people knew. If you were 35 or younger, that's all you knew. And so anyway, I'm working with these gentlemen, well-meaning, well-intended, wanting to help their country. And I would say to them, you know, you're not going to affect the change because there were some people that were smart, that had exposure, had traveled to the United States and understood, or to Europe, and had understood more of a democratic style government. But by and large, the people did. I would say, you know, you're not going to affect the change you want in your lifetime. And the response would come back to me. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing it for my kids and my grandkids. That's what I want. I want a country where there's peace and there's stability and fairness fair treatment of all people. That's what I'm doing it for. The Constitution Party today is not in a position to change at the highest level, impact, overtake the Senate, U.S. Senate, overtake the U.S. House or the presidency. But if we can continue to work it, the next generation can reap the benefits of what we have started are we ever going to compete with the other parties? I do believe that day can come. It's going to probably get worse before it gets better. And people are going to say, this isn't what our founding fathers intended. Let me go back and find out what they intended because this certainly wasn't what, anyway. So I do foresee a time, I don't know, 25 years. I hope not. I would like it to be less than 10, but where our country is impacted by the Constitution Party. And by the way, let me just say this, one other piece to it. I want you to think about it. You use the term uniparty, and that's a very common term, but the whole point is they work together for the good of themselves and so on. And what happens if we run a viable candidate for an office and says, I stand on the Constitution of the United States and the principles that are in it, and that's where I stand. And is it possible that the pendulum could shift back towards that simply because there's someone on the ballot that stands for that, and others don't want to be seen as far, so far extreme, so they start to come back. I would argue that's a win, even though it's not a win at the ballot box. It's not someone getting elected. If we can influence politics, and that's one of the earliest statements I made. If we can influence politics in the process and decisions that are made, we've made progress. Absolutely. Got to start somewhere. Yep. Before I let you go, can you talk a little bit about the current structure of the Constitution Party as far as directors, state level? national level, your board and that sort of thing? Okay. So at the national level, the Constitution Party, our national level chairman is Justin McGill. He lives in Erie, Pennsylvania. Our vice chairman is Glenn Miller, lives out in Utah. We have other officers, secretary, treasurer, and other officers. Then we take the United States and we break it down into four areas. I am chairman for the eastern area, the 12 states, largely New England states. We have a southern area that includes Virginia, the Carolinas, down to Florida, and actually out west of Texas. That's our southern area. Red Phillips is vice chairman for that region. And then we have a Midwest region. The chairman is Paul Bennebel. It includes Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and out into Kansas, Nebraska area. The western region, which would be, of course, Utah, Washington, Montana, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Alaska, and Hawaii. The chairman is Janine Hanson and vice chairman is Kirk Pearson. So we do have that. Then within each of the 50 states in the District of Columbia, we have as a minimum contacts. People who have contacted the party, they sympathize with us, they vote for us. In some states, we have highly organized parties where we consistently run candidates for office at local and state level and also national level. all the way down to states that there's very little activity, but we at least have a presence and people who are understanding and sympathetic to us. Then within each of the states, I can speak for Pennsylvania because I'm involved here. We do have contacts and in some cases, organized parties in a number of states, but we have contacts in all counties, but we have contacts in all 67 counties. And again, the goal is to have organized groups that can be a force at the local level in all 67 counties in Pennsylvania, but in all of the 50 states match that. That's the organization of the party. Well, the structure's in place. You just have to get the people and the support. That's all you need. How can people support you and what do you asked to join okay a couple of things number one we have a website www.constitutionparty.com and then each state has its own in my case i'm from pennsylvania again so i'm very aligned with pennsylvania very more knowledgeable but in this case pennsylvania www.constitutionpartypa.com and so it's constitution party and then with the state I would invite, I would encourage anybody, everybody to go to the website and look at it. We have the pillars. We have our platform, which I would encourage people to look at and read. Certainly, that's one piece to it. People can reach out to me directly, email, and I don't need junk email. But if people are sincere, goodrichenterprises at juno.com. You can call me and my phone numbers are on the website for the eastern area as well as for the state of Pennsylvania. I will do my best to respond. Sometimes it takes two days. You probably experienced that, Jeff. It might take two days, just depend upon cycle and schedule and busyness. But I will reach out. And by the way, I've had people from other areas and I just, of course, will refer them to the correct area, the correct state. But yeah, we want people who are able to support us. People can donate to the party. There's a means on the website to be able to do that. But more than the financial donation, it's understanding what we stand for and what we're trying to do. So we have two committee meetings a year, and there's a process to become a committee member at the national and at the state level. I do want to mention this, that May 15 and 16, we're doing our committee meeting in Philadelphia. Information is on the national website. I'm talking about the national committee meeting. The significance of that is, of course, it's not exactly aligned with July the 4th, 1776, July the 4th, 2026. But May 15 and 16, we're meeting in Philadelphia. It's going to be tied to the largely tied to the founding fathers, the writing of the Declaration of Independence and then the writing of the Constitution. And so it's going to really try to get us back to the roots of what our country is about. Information is available on the website. Very good. Bob, good luck. Wishing you best of luck. Keep pushing. Thank you so much for your service and everything you've done for our country. Well, thank you. Keep in touch, Jeff. 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