What's up guys, Mystic Zach here. Welcome back to episode 14 of Double Coverage. Today I'm joined by one of the greatest deep threats in NFL history and current head coach at Delaware State, Mr. Deshaun Jackson. How you doing, bro? How you doing, bro? Man, appreciate you having me, man. Super Bowl Sunday. We just had it. What was your thoughts, bro? Seahawks-Patriots. Oh, man, that was a little sketchy Super Bowl, man. It kind of took me back to when the Patriots played the Rams, when it was a low-scoring game. At first, it was like, what, like four field goals? Yeah. I'm sitting back. It was crazy because I already knew. I was telling everybody, the Seahawks, man, they're too good of a team. Patriots, they ain't really had no receivers to me, I felt like. I mean, Stephon's obviously a baller, but besides that, they struggled. And I was just sitting back. It was kind of boring, bro. Like, I'm like sitting there like, man, when is somebody going to score? They go all the way to the halftime. Nobody scores. My lady was like big on watching Bad Bunny or whatever. So I'm like, man, let's get to the halftime show. And we watched the halftime show. And I was like, I couldn't understand nothing. I know he's a big time artist, no disrespect to him. But I'm sitting there like, man, I just couldn't really get into it, bro. I walked away at halftime, bro. What am I going to do? I don't know what he's saying. I don't know what's going on. No, for sure. Shout out to him, though. Yeah, but overall, I mean, I feel like it was, I predicted it. Like, you know, I felt like the- Mystic Deshaun. Yeah, the Seahawks was going to handle business. I feel like anybody that came from NSC was, like, the better team. Like, you know, obviously, if we really go back that Seahawks and that Rams game, that was, like, I feel like we knew who was going to be the Super Bowl champ from that game right there. Yeah, the AFC was weak. Yeah, it was bad, man. And then, you know, Bo Nix got hurt, too, so- Yeah, once he broke his ankle, I was like, oh, God. In the last, what, like the last two minutes of the game? Yeah. That was hard, man, to see, bro. But, you know, overall, man, it's crazy because just like that, football season's over, you know what I'm saying? And now, you know, our season, obviously, we ended back like the end of November. So, you know, it's crazy, like during this period of time, like football season's over, but then like watch how fast it starts back up, you know what I'm saying? You're going to look up and it's going to be August and it's going to be right back again. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you've got a totally different schedule now as a head coach. Sure. How was your first year coaching? You did a great job. You guys were 8-4, obviously looking to improve. Yeah, I mean, I feel like my first year, man, it was exciting, but at the same time, like, I didn't know what to expect, you know, because all these years being a player and then now transitioning over to being a coach, for me, I was very anxious and excited to see, like, you know, offseason I was training. We did spring ball. We did, you know, summer camp, and then it was like, like, man, I want to see, like, how is, like, what is it going to be like? Are we going to go out there and get smacked? Are we going to win, you know? So I was like, before that first game of the season, I was just trying to figure out, like, what it was going to feel like and what it was going to be. But, like, you know, man, I could never predict me to be a head coach in college, but, I mean, you know, it kind of fell in my lap, man, and, you know, I'm having a great time doing it. What was your biggest surprise being a coach? I mean, I think the biggest surprise, you know, man, seeing guys take initiative, man, wanting to, you know, better off themselves. You know, the information we're teaching these young men, you know, and how they're grabbing, you know, They're grabbing the right information, and it's transitioning over to the games. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, as a coach, you know, it's a fulfilling moment that your players, you know, they're doing everything you're asking them from meeting rooms, you know, to going out on the field, to taking notes, to, you know, walkthroughs, to spending, like, all the time you can just to be the best you can on the field. And, you know, I think they did a hell of a job doing that. What's been your coaching style? Are you a players coach? Are you trying to relate to them? Yeah, I mean, I feel like for me, honestly, like, the coaches that I love playing for was the coaches that can relate to the players, you know? So, you know, I didn't want to become this coach and be like, you know, not realistic to being a player, you know, because as a player, man, like it's a lot of things you got to go through. You know, it's not going to be perfect. You know, you're going to have mistakes. You're going to do the wrong thing, you know, and as a coach to be able to say, you know what, I was watching your shoes and I'm going to crucify you for doing things. But like at the end of the day, like you got to you got to own up to it. If you make a mistake or you mess up, you got to own up to it. So, you know, just holding them accountable, having a high standard and, you know, at the end of the day, just being the realest for sure. Is it fulfilling being a leader of young men and getting to see them on their journey? Yeah, I mean, being a coach, man, for one is inspiring. You know what I'm saying? I think without being an inspiring, without being a motivator, without being a leader, you know, it's gonna be hard to have success being a coach. So since day one and hopping in, man, I've been feet on land. That's the mentality I say, you know, like you always gotta be where your feet are. You know, you can't be here thinking about Miami or wherever the heck else you at, you know. So just being invested and if any, like anything you want to do in life, if you work hard, you can have success. That's my model. You know, I don't care if you're not good, if you don't have experience. Like, you know, I didn't have experience coaching. You know, I hopped in and I was successful, you know. So that's just kind of how I've been able to be successful my whole career. Absolutely. Who was your favorite head coach during your career? You obviously played for a lot of great ones. I mean, honestly, I say like, to be honest, like Coach Andy Reid. And the reason why I say that, because he was like a father figure, you know, like, obviously he wasn't my dad, but like he was understanding of like he was born in California. He knew how it was, the temptations, being young, you know, having like a lot of people relying on you and depending on you. for me was hard because you know being growing up in LA you know growing up in the streets poverty you know I'm saying like there ain't really no hope you know so not it's not a lot of people you could look up to this this motivators besides like you know the homies in the hood or homies you know just doing some positive things besides that like you know you have my dad my older brother but it's not really a lot of it you know so he kind of understood where I was coming from and you know what I had to do to make it out so I was just able to relate to him and you know he was tough he was hard you know I ain't gonna say it was easy but at the end of the day it was like one of those parents where it's like tough love you know what I'm saying he's like understanding like he gonna lead you to there but like at the end of the day he can't do it for you you know so that's kind of like my teaching you know I want to help lead guys there but you know obviously I can't drink the water from they gotta drink theyself you know when coach Reed goes to Kansas City did you know the type of success he would have because he's he already had an incredible career at Philly and then he's extended in Kansas City now he's regarded as one of the greatest coaches of all time yeah I mean I think coach coach Andy Reed one thing I can say about Coach Andy Reid is, you know, he's a fair and honest person, and, you know, he expects certain things to be done a certain way. You know, there's no ifs, ands, and buts about that. You know, he's going to show you how it's done, and he'll teach you as well, too, a teacher as well, too. So, I think those kind of coaches that have those characteristics are the ones that are very successful. So, to say, like, the way he left Philadelphia, like, we kind of struggled that last year and uh you know when he left I didn't really know what he was going to do but I just knew he was going to be successful so for him to go to Kansas City what they want like two two two or three rings right like in over like 10 years so three rings yeah three rings so I mean like to say he didn't win not one in 50 and then he goes to uh because that was his knock you know that's what they would always say and win but I mean you know at the end of the day he had a I ain't going to say the greatest quarterback, but it's arguably to say Patrick Mahomes, I think at the end of his career, would probably go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks. But Tom Brady in my book is the GOAT. Nah, definitely. For sure. One of the craziest stats about you, you caught touchdown passes from Donovan McNabb and Jalen Hurts. Right. Crazy errors, right? That's like, what, three different decades? Yeah, and you were taking the tops off of defenses literally your entire career. Did you, when you entered the league, did you expect to have that kind of longevity? I mean, it's insane. I mean, I was one of those guys where I felt like, you know, I invented a different type of style in the NFL. To look at a guy in stature that's under six feet, you know, I land 5'10", 5'11". So to have that type of stature never was like over 180 pounds my whole career over 15 years, man. So to be able to say like I came in and I played on the outside, I wasn't like just a slot receiver. I wasn just a returner Like you know I mastered the wide receiver position And it not too many guys with my stature has accomplished that so I feel like you know I definitely earned it and you know I'm a connoisseur because I feel like you know like I said coming into the NFL they was underlooking or overlooking a lot of smaller players you know so I feel like now after what I did and a few other probably before me like okay we can't pass up on somebody that's shorter that's not the biggest just because of their size you know so I think they started giving a lot more people, you know, opportunities because of that, you know what I'm saying? No, we talk about the greatest deep threats ever and you and Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson. Those guys are so much bigger than you. For sure. Totally different. And what's crazy is, too, you know, you speak on the greatest deep threat ever, like Jerry Rice is up in there, too, even though you don't really think of it as him being like a home run hitter, but like he used to catch five yard slants and go the distance and take it like 70, 80 yards. So, yeah, I mean, it's definitely a fulfillment moment to be able to say, like, growing up L.A., went to Cal, obviously left SC. You know, I committed to SC, but then I turned them down. I was like, man, I'm going to Cal. But to see, like, my path and then, like, what I did in the NFL to be able to say, like, one of the best deep breaths ever, like, it's just like the hard works paid off. It was a lot of doubters, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was a lot of people that didn't think I was going to make it past three years in the NFL, you know? So I just kind of. How many people quit on you during your prime? Yeah, no, for sure. They did. I mean, I ain't going to say his name. You said it. Chip Kelly, I mean, gives you away. We had Shady on the pod, too. We talked about that. For sure. What was that morning like? Because for me at home, I'm a Cowboys fan. I couldn't have been happier. Damn, why you didn't tell me you was a Cowboy fan before we said now? Yeah, I couldn't have been happier. When Chip Kelly gets rid of you, I mean, that was like Christmas morning for a Cowboys fan. Nah, I mean, he just had a certain way he wanted to do things. And, you know, I felt like it was kind of more like of a college setting, you know, and, you know, him coming to the NFL in his first year. And was it which was 2013 was my biggest year I had of all my years. You know, his I would say his philosophy, his style was was great on the field, but it was just like everything he was asking us to do as far as like, I would say petty things like wear a heart monitor at night. Like, you asking somebody that's a five-, six-year-, seven-year vet to put on a heart monitor at night just to see how many hours you're sleeping. Like, you want to test our urine and see how hydrated we are. It's like, it was just like, it was guinea pigs. You know what I'm saying? I get it. You know, you come from Oregon and you want to test all of us for, like, certain things. It's just like, for me, I'm like, man, I'm not doing that. You're a grown-ass man. Yeah, I'm a grown man. I'm getting paid. Like, for one, I'm getting paid more than you. But, you know, it was just like, he was just asking you to do things that, for me, just wasn't realistic. And I wasn't really going for a lot of stuff. And it wasn't just me. It was other people, too. But, you know, I just think we kind of just butted heads in there. You know, they just felt like they had to go in a different direction. No, great. He did a great job, man. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I still was in the division, though. I still see y'all. You torched us with them, too. I went to Washington. You know, the Washington rivalry isn't as bad as the Philly one, though. You know when you're an Eagle playing the Cowboys, it's different. No, it definitely is, man, for sure. Jalen Carter spitting on Dak like that? I get heated. Yeah, but Dak originally spit at first. If you go back and look at it, he spit first. I don't know if he was trying to spit directly on him, but he still spit, regardless if it was to the left or to the right or straight, he spit. So when we getting in and then you spit, I feel like I'm talking to you and I spit anywhere close to you, that's a form of disrespect. So Dak instigated? Yeah, yeah, for sure. He definitely instigated that. And, I mean, shit, Jalen's somebody, he a bully. Yeah. He ain't going for that. So, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, when I first seen him, I'm like, no, you can't do that. You know, and that was a big game. First game, it wasn't the first game of the season. It was he, it was opener. Like, you can't do that. But at the end of the day, shit, he did. Feels like last week and now the season's over. It's over that fast. Now I'm a finger. Yeah, speaking of the Eagles, what's your outlook on them this upcoming season? What are you looking for them to do? Because you're an Eagle in your heart. No, for sure. I mean, last year I feel like was a, I started, we started pretty good. Then we kind of got into a little funk. It's kind of always how it is too with the Eagles, you know what I'm saying? They kind of feel a lot of rhythm. Towards the end kind of played a little better, but, you know, obviously still didn't accomplish what we wanted to accomplish as an Eagle fan after we just won two Super Bowls over the past, what, decade. I mean, like it's either winning the Super Bowl or a bus, you know what I'm saying? So I think they'll do a good job of figuring out. You know, Javi always does a good job of figuring out this offseason, whether he'll bring some guys in or, you know, just kind of rework the roster. But, you know, we'll be back. It ain't over for us. I think we got a hell of a team right now, man. So, curious to see what y'all going to do with the Cowboys. Yeah, Cowboys got a lot of defense to get. Y'all let go of Micah Parsons. I don't think that was smart. Obviously, he got hurt in Green Bay. But, I mean, you know who I do like that y'all got? I like NFL Youngboy. Yeah. No, Pickens is a monster. GP a baller, man. I was just with him in Pro Bowl, him in SCD. He can do everything. Yeah, he can. He got that dog mentality, too. That's why I really like him, man. He ain't no selfish player, man. Like, you know, when he get his opportunity to make some plays, he's going to ball. Y'all got something good. I just don't feel like I don't know, man. Was you alive when y'all won last year? Hell no. I was born in 02. I feel bad for y'all, man. See, I was born in 86, so I remember the 90s. You didn't help us, you don't feel bad at all. No, I didn't, but you know, I got a lot of friends that are like, cowboy, like, diehard fans, and it's like, I feel bad for y'all, cause like, y'all, like, y'all living in like, like, what, 30 decades ago, 20 decades ago? You torched us a few years ago on Thanksgiving, you ruined my Thanksgiving. Where was, I was, I was, I was playing with the Raiders. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. My turkey was cold, I was upset. Anytime I play the Cowboys, I just feel like it's one of those, cause y'all are supposed to be America's team, So, like, you know, I just feel like all eyes are on that game. And I just – one thing about me, like, I always, like, stepped up in big games. Not to say regular games I don't step up. But, like, in big games, like, I always felt like I had to, you know, really turn up. And it just happened to be versus the Cowboys. It did. It happened to be against us a lot. For sure. Unfortunately. How did the Eagles get Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown back on track? Is it salvageable? Hmm. I mean, I think – that's a good question, man. You're a smart man because, you know, every time this topic comes up, it grabs a lot of attention. But that's a tough question, man. I don't think I can answer that. Not I don't think I can answer that, but I don't think I have the answer for that because, like you said, it's a relationship that's kind of been tarnished a little bit. You know, they were like them, their best friends when they first started playing together. And I think, you know, over the past year, I just don't think they're quite as tight as they used to be. So, you know, that's going to be something they're going to have to fix internally. I mean, you know, being a receiver and, you know, being in situations like that, I mean, you might have to put your pride to the side regardless. And I don't know if you're able to when shit's deep as it is, you know. So I hope they get it together and figure it out because I feel like they're both two hell of a players. And, you know, when they're not on the same page, you can tell it sticks out like a short time. No, it really did. I mean, could a fresh start be best? Hey, man, it's always best, man. Fresh start is always going to be best, but who's going to take the fresh start? Because they're both getting a lot of money. And that cap, I think that cap went up, too. I think the NFL granted $30 million or something like that. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. I honestly feel like he probably would get traded, A.J. Brown, but I don't know how it's going to work. But, hey, shit, by March, I think that's like the deadline. We got like two months to see. Or a month. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. So they got a month to see. What's your prediction? You think he gone? I think he's gone. Think so? I don't, it seems like he really wants to leave. Yeah. He wants his. He wasn't getting his. I mean, he wasn't at first and then he started and then like, it kind of, my thing as a wide receiver and I say this all the time too, like if you're going to cause friction or you're going to cause a tension, like you got to be on your A game. You know what I'm saying? Like one thing, like my OGs always told me that like, man, like it's cool to get mad, cool to get frustrated, you ain't getting the ball, but when you get your opportunities don let that frustration overplay your play if that makes sense You know what I saying No I agree You know like when you mad like it a lot of clutter going on Like your mind not where it needs to really be you know what I saying for you to be able to, you know, conquer that task. So I think that's where it gets tricky because like it's the NFL for one. Players are getting paid a lot of money. It's a league full of great players. Like I ain't gonna say great players. It's a league full of everybody's good. Then you got some great players. So like even the good players could do shit to the great players. So like if you ain't on your A game, if you great, those good players are going to be better than you. You know what I'm saying? So that's where you got to just manage that and just do your thing. And that's where first started the Eagles fans was the complaining and then the drops are coming. You can't do that in Philly. One thing about Philly, man, for one, that's one of the hardest teams to ever play for. You know, because when you ain't doing good, you're going to hear it. And, you know, I feel like when you bring a lot of attention to your name or yourself and you're not doing what you need to do, they're going to boo your ass for sure. It's a hard place to play in. What do you think about the book? The book? I think it was a distraction. I think it was a throw-off. I mean, like, you got to think, for three hours of you playing, like, a book, and you reading a book ain't going to help take your mind on it. You never brought a book to the game? Man, come on. What would you do if one of your players brought a book to the game? Honestly, I would be like, bro, you tripping, bro. Like, you know, at the end of the day, now you're doing the most. But, like, your personality is your personality. But, like, I'm saying, like, for three hours, you can lock in and worry about, like, your opponent. That's winning the game. That's being on the same page. Like, you reading a book when shit ain't going right. That ain't, like, nah, bro. You can't do that, bro. And AJ, my boy. Yeah. Like, I'll tell him this to his face. But at the end of the day, he a grown man, so I'll never be the person that'll be hating on you. But I mean, I got an opinion. I'm going to speak my opinion. But at the end of the day, I got a cool relationship with him. And what he does, what he does. But just grand scheme of things, looking at it, nah, bro. You got to be locked in, man. You can't be that frustrated and let your distractions or let things distract you from the game. No, absolutely. And obviously, Jalen Hurts is the guy you played for. He's a Super Bowl MVP. I mean, he's been there a couple times. he's professional. Yeah, he gonna always be a professional. It's hard for me to understand someone not getting along with him. He seems like the nicest, most professional guy you can have. I mean, yeah, you got a point. I mean, but everybody got their ways, you know? Yeah. That's not to speak any ways to say I agree why somebody don't get along with a person. But, like, I mean, I think in sports, man, you got opinions, right? And then you got facts, right? So are you opinionated or are you factual? So for me, like, Jaden's a winner. He's proven that he's been a winner. Since Bama. I mean, but, you know, sometimes a proven win may be different than if I'm a receiver and I'm A.J. Brown. And, like, the way you win may be different than the way I want to win. Like, maybe you're winning at 13 for 17 for 125 yards, I maybe want you to go 24 for 31 and 350 yards. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's when things get opinionated. But, I mean, from his perspective, I mean, one thing about him, he's going to take care of the ball. Towards the end of the season, middle season, he kind of started throwing picks and stuff. But, like, overall, he's always managed the game. I think he's a great manager, and that's why he has the wins he has. No, absolutely. And he's been a constant professional since Bama, it seems like. He's always at the locker room behind him, and I wish the best for him and the Eagles for sure. Just to say when they play first, the Cowboys. Oh, yeah. No, I hope they get against the Cowboys for sure. Yeah. I got a lot of Eagles fans' friends. Shout out to Skinny Joey and everyone. For sure. Nah, fucking. One thing I want to ask you, though, the kickoff rules. Yeah. Our president hates them. You're known for your special teams. What do you think of them? I don't like the new kickoff rules for sure. Even asking, like, you know, it's crazy. I was talking to, what's his name? Turpin for the Cowboys. What's his first name? Kevontae. Kevontae, yeah. So I was talking to him at the Pro Bowl and I was asking him how he felt about the new kickoff rules and he was like, man, he didn't like them. Because obviously I wasn't playing when they made the change. But yeah, I mean, I know it's for safety and things like that, but I just feel like that ain't it, man. And then you got to declare it onside. You can't just surprise onside kick no more. It takes the fun out of the game, man. So I feel like hopefully the NFL will recircle and change that rule back. But, I mean, like I said, once again, I know it's for injuries, but I mean, it's football. If you're going to get hurt, you're going to get hurt. You making people five yards, ten yards apart from each other is not going to stop people from getting hurt. When I talked to Lawrence Taylor about it, he was like, man, the best way to not get hurt is for everyone to play fast. Because the way guys get hurt is when they slow down and they don't play through the play and they don't play fast. I play fast. I mean, it's only one way to play. I mean, I think you talking to somebody that, you know, invented some stuff in football. So going back, I mean, like I tell these guys all the time, like the NFL is changing things to prolong people's career and be able to make people have longevity. But in the safety and all the helmets, like when I was growing up and we was playing, there wasn't no concussions. They'd be like, oh, you got what, man? Get your ass back out there. You know what I'm saying? So now you got any one little thing going wrong, they like, oh, we holding you out. So, yeah, man, it is with this football, man. Like, you know, that's why you got all them moms being like, they don't want their sons to play. But, like, once you make that decision to let your son play, like, you got to go let them play. Go rest with dirt on it. What they say, spitting dirt. Yeah. That bother you as a coach at all? You know, are we trying to toughen them up? Yeah, man. These dudes nowadays, man, if they got a cold, they ain't practicing, man. Like, they got a stomach, freaking stomachache they ain't practicing. And so as a coach, it'd be like, I get it. If you really hurt and something's really wrong with you, then cool. But like, at the end of the day, man, like you gotta be able to play through some shit, you know? So, you know, hopefully they toughen up. Well, what was the toughest injury you played through in your career? I had a groin, a groin injury, man. It was a, what do they call that? A hernia. It was like a hernia. Holy shit. Yeah. My, my bone, I don't know, my, the muscle pulled off my pelvic. So it was like I was running and like the dude like pushed me and I felt the pop. But I think it was like wear and tear over time. Yeah. And I was dealing with like in the growing areas and then like it kind of pulled from here because I guess it was pulling from the tension from one side. So, yeah, that was my only surgery in 15 years, man. But that was the toughest one. That was your only surgery in 15 years? Yeah. Yeah, I only had one surgery, man. And I was fortunate, brother, not really have no knees and no crazy other injuries. but yeah, one surgery in 15 years, man. I think I... That might be a record. I don't know. I've never heard of that. Well, if it is, it is. But it may be somebody who won the whole career. Shit, I almost made it the whole career without having none. That's crazy. That happened in, I think, my 13th year. It took you 13 years of your first surgery. Yeah, 13 years. Yeah, that might be a record. That's insane. At skilled position, return, that's crazy, bro. Yeah. Wow, I never, I never would have thought that in a million years. Because guys get so many cleanup surgeries now. Yeah, well, I should have had surgery on my thumb, but I said I wasn't going to do it. So, like, my joint, like, it goes, like, way back then, like this other one. Cool party trick. Yeah. No, I hurt. I ain't putting that out. I'll be trying to hold it in. Because if it go too far, like, sometimes when I'm putting my pants on, it'll get caught. Well, that should be painful as football painful, man. It's a lot of tough injuries in football. Who are your favorite receivers to watch across the league today? I would probably say Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Devontae Adams, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, and Parkeet, one more. I like Jackson Smith, man. Dog. How you say his last name? Njigwa. I didn't like that Drewski's name. I did not like that at all. What did you think of it? I think they'd be messing with him, because Marshawn Lynch said, McNigma It cool Like the podcast is cool but the NFL honors like his mom watching i like come on bro he kind of tripped out on that but yeah not in the right setting you know yeah not for sure man you know and he's not marshawn either like marshawn can say whatever that he wants whenever he wants he's beast mode like you can't he's not get away with anything i've seen him get away with all the time. Like, man, they be tripping off the little shit I do and they let Marshawn go crazy. But like you said, it's beast mode. They're going to let him do whatever. Yeah, he's got that reputation and he, like, earned it. Like, Drew, he's a comedian. It's totally different. Yeah, no, facts. Yeah, no, it's not fucking with that. The Seahawks, though, man, like, did that shock you, too, what they did throughout the year? It did. I ain't going to lie, especially with Sam Darn up there, you know, and then with the new coach that came from Baltimore. This was his second or first year? Second year. Second year, yeah. I mean, winning in your second year, I mean, he was like the third youngest coach to ever win. It was crazy. He was my defensive coordinator when I was in Baltimore my last year in 2022. But, I mean, it's crazy because, like, towards the end of the season before playoffs, I'm looking, I'm like, man, Seahawks got the number one seed? And I was like, damn, like, it definitely did throw me off because I didn't expect that. And Sam Darnold had a hell of a year, man. So that running back, too, man, Walker, boy, that boy nice, man. Like, I watched him throughout the season, and I didn't think he was, like, nothing crazy. And then towards, like, the playoffs, because what he did versus the Rams, with that little move he made versus the linebacker, I was like, yeah, that dude's special, man. He a baller. He a P of the Super Bowl, too. Like, man, coming from basically nowhere. Baller, though. He runs as well as anyone. Patient, too. I seen some shit he did yesterday. He like hit a Le'Veon. He was like, stop, pause, and he was out. I'm like, oh yeah, he different. Man, what's crazy though, them dudes to be like standing straight up when they running, that's weird. I ain't gonna lie, because it's like, you watching him, it's like, man, he ain't even ready to run. Like how you, like usually when you run, like you got like a head start, or like you leaning or something. He just straight up and then just go, I'm like. That's the Jason stance. Yeah, the Jetney, right? Jenty too, yeah, yeah. Who, you said Jason. Oh, yeah, you don't know what to predict with anybody to do that. Yeah dangerous. Yeah He's a free agent too. He's about to get paid Jenny is Walker. Oh, yeah, yeah Walker You think you think he'll reset the market? I don't know about is he can't really block her cash But God damn can he run you know I don't think he... He's got brick hands, so he won't. You can't pay him more than you pay a CMC or somebody. Or Saquon, you know what I mean? Nah, he can't do that. But he for sure going to get paid. He can run. Nah, he can't. He's going to get paid. You think he's going to still be in Seattle? I don't know. It's going to be a lot of money. He's going to be people. He just wants to win MVP, though, so the fans will trip out and they let him walk. Yeah. Shit, they're going to have to break the bank. Yeah, they were splitting his carries all year with Charbonnet, and then Charbonnet got hurt, and then just opened the floodgates. I don't think anyone runs his... I don't, maybe Bijon runs as well as him, but that's about it. No, Bijon different. Bijon, Jonathan Taylor, I mean, it's a few ballers out there. Who you taking? You taking Bijon or Jameer Gibbs? That's like, one A, one B. I'll take Bijon, but Gibbs is lightning. Yeah, man, that's- You were with him at the Pro Bowl, huh? Yeah, I was with both of them, that's why I was asking, because I asked a few people that I was like, man, who you taking? Who are you taking? I mean, you can't go wrong, man, But I don't know. Like, man, B. John, I feel like, is an overall. Like, I wouldn't say better, but he's overall. He does a lot of overall things different. But, like, Gibbs, man, like, you get in that boy, he out of there, man. So I'd probably take Gibbs, man, just because I like, you could throw it, you could pass it, you know what I'm saying? He's going to hit it and be gone. Gibbs might have a little higher ceiling. Like, Gibbs out of games where you literally cannot do one thing about it. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, I think overall, too, I think he probably had, like, he had more games overall, more yardage than B. Shaw. Nah, for sure baller. Yeah. The Rams, man. I thought they were going to do it. They were so close. Man, Matthew Stafford, man. How incredible is he? MVP. He a baller, man. I told people a long time ago that he didn't really get enough credit that he deserved. I mean, to be able to do what he did in Detroit all those years, even though he didn't make it to the Super Bowl, man, like, and Calvin Johnson retired on him early. But, you know, once he came to LA, man, it was something special. I'm like, man, McVay, because obviously when Jared Goff was there in LA, Sean McVay did a great job. Sean McVay was one of my coaches in Washington, and I came and played in LA too. So I always knew that, like, Sean McVay, once he got his guy, he's going to turn him something special. So once he did come to LA, I mean, there ain't no way that they wasn't going to win a Super Bowl. So they got one, but I for sure thought they was going to win it this year, too. Yeah. Yeah, I thought they were. They need to get two next year. It's going to be in L.A., too. Yeah, exactly. Were they the first team to win in their home stadium? Was that in 2021? Well, the Bucs did it. Oh, the Bucs did it before that. Yeah, Brady did it in Tampa. So the Bucs and then L.A., so then they got another opportunity this next year to go back. So I did see that, too. Do you believe that? I don't know if it's a conspiracy, but do you believe, like, they say the NFL, when they post the Super Bowl thing, the teams that are going to win it, or the teams that are going to it, like the colors? Do you believe that? How would that work? Did they ever give you a script? I don't know, bro, but every year, they say the teams that are going to the Super Bowl is predicted, so they just put out the Super Bowl 61 or 60, whatever that is. They put it out, and it's greenish. I can't remember what it was, but they're saying those are the two teams. So we're a coincidence. It is. I just don't know how they would... Man, you know how this shit is, man. I don't. I mean, you don't, but you do. All right. I mean, I feel like... The refs can influence it. I mean, yeah. But obviously the players aren't going to... No, I played all those years. I never knew anything about anything being rigged, so I'm not saying from a player's standpoint. But the refs can rig it. I mean, some of these refs are kind of inexplicable. But some of this... I don't know if you ever be looking at it. You bet, right? The best, yeah. Some of these games and times, and it'd be like the referees doing certain shit. Nah, the refs are whack. It'd be like, should I be seeing somebody on Instagram and be like, look at this, this game's rigged. And I'm looking and I'm like, it do be like crazy little things to be going on in the games. Nah, I feel like they took the Bills game away from Buffalo and they played the Broncos. That catch? The catch, and then they kept calling these weird pass interferences. I was like, yo, you weren't calling that all game. It was a few catches, too. The Rams had one of those, too, right? Yeah. Was that? Oh, yeah, the Rams got hosed, too. Yeah, that catch. That's what I'm saying. And, you know, one thing I think they need to change, too, a catch. So, like, a catch in field is different from a catch when you score. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they say, like, if you break the plane, then it's good. But then in the field, you got to, like, maintain it to the ground. Yeah. That don't make sense to me. Like, if it's going to be one way in the field, it got to be one way in the end zone. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. So, like, I know a few times, like, a guy caught the ball, and then something happened, and then they don't maintain the catch to the ground, and it's the touchdown. But I'm like, if that same play was in the field, it wouldn't have been a catch. So why is there two different standards for the catch? It shouldn't be this confusing to figure out what a catch is. Yeah, but NFL got to- They got to figure this shit out. NFL got to do a better job, man. Roger Goodell, man. You making too much damn money, man. Get that shit figured out. Yeah, you guys got too big of a budget to keep messing this up, man. Figured it out. Absolutely. Man, great talking to you. Anything you want to get off your chest? Anyone you want to call out? Nah, man. Just, you know, stay tuned, man. Delaware State Hornets, man. 2026, man. We're going to have a heck of a year, man. You know, we looking for doing, we looking to do some exciting things this year. Stay tuned, man. Follow me on Instagram, 101. Sean Jackson 10 on Twitter. Twitch streaming, GPA, I mean, GTA, road play. We do it all, man. We got our own service. Come check us out, man. Let's go. Great to have you on. Appreciate you. What's up, brother? Yeah, all the time. Let's go.
