TRENDING! I Send Out Some Legal Letters. Victor Marx's Bizarre Text To Erika Goes Viral. | Ep 342

All right, you guys, happy Wednesday. I know some people are not feeling too happy today because Thomas Massey lost in Kentucky. A lot of people are asking, what is, what's going on with our country? Is this it? Can you just buy whatever you want? But I'm gonna be positive here. I'm gonna say look up, right? It does not mean everything. We are obviously plugged in. We see what is going on. We are also watching them tip into that unique phase of sheer arrogance. There's the sheer arrogance right now of the Epstein class. That's what they are. They are the Epstein class. They have, they believe they have more money than God, right? They think their money can buy whatever they want, anything and everything. Their money can cover up murders and rapes. You can tell you guys this though. I've been around. I've just seen these cycles in politics. The way Trump is speaking, I am Maga. I'm a king. I know what we're looking at. It's a not so unique moment when Icarus flies a little too close to the sun and I know what happens after that. So just relax, wait, get ready. Let's wait for midterms. Let's see what the king of Maga can buy with his money. Anyway, the fallout from Victor Marx's interview yesterday is trending all across social media and it inspired me to send out a few preservation letters in my ongoing lawsuit with Brian Harpole. Welcome back to Candice. That will be great if it's not. All right, quick shout out to Nemi Skincare for supporting today's episode. I am very intentional about the brands that I work with and Nemi is one that I actually use, clean, simple skincare made here in America. So visit nemeskincare.com and use my code, CandiceTen at checkout for an additional 10% off your order. Where should we begin? More happy news, I think. I'm just glad, I'm glad today that we made the decision to allocate as much time as you wanted to Victor Marx yesterday. Go ahead, go for it, buddy gubernatorial, candidate to Colorado. And it was really something for a lot of reasons. I mean, as many of you commented, rarely do we get to see that sort of arrogance on display. There are a lot of little Icarus birdies flying around in America, just a complete lack of self-awareness, believing that you are untouchable, that you've graduated to some class of people that do whatever they want and face no consequences. Also as a side note, sort of incredible to see how many people he had, Victor Marx had on his team, helping him out with that interview. He took to X afterward and posted this little shot. Hey everybody, Victor Marx here. Just finished a podcast with Candace Owen that I think will never be forgotten. I wanna appreciate my team here. You know, look, I always say truth will prevail. And it did today. I'm not mad at Candace, I don't have any anger toward her. It was a couple of times I was passionate in it because I am about protecting kids and Charlie's death. Well, I would say as for those of you who said, Victor doesn't debate, that was a one hour, no moderator debate. That's what I've always told those other candidates. Yeah, let's get face to face. Look, all of this has started only because I entered into the political realm, period. And because I'm winning the governor's race. So thank you all for your prayers that mattered and made a difference. We love y'all. Indeed it did, Victor. I think it did make a difference and I do believe that truth prevails. So we can agree on that in the end. So it really got people up in arms yesterday. If you did not have time to watch it, really I would say it boils down to two things. First was the excuse that he offered, which included irrelevant social media posting statistics for why it was that Victor Marx was seemingly the first person in Charlie's orbit to announce that Charlie had passed away. Remember, he told us that this declaration was completely standalone. He didn't even hardly watch the footage of Charlie getting shot. He said he watched it one time. But then for some reason, over an hour and 20 minutes later, he decided to formally announce that Charlie Kirk had passed away and to pray for Erica and the kids. And he said he did this absent any confirmation, just vibes that he got from the special forces guys around him with knowledge about injuries. Somehow he felt that that was enough information for him to fire up Instagram and report it to the world. That Charlie Kirk did not make it. Take a listen to what he told me it's important. Obviously a big question that we have had is you were first to post a video that was later on removed saying that Charlie had passed. And this video was about an hour and 20 minutes before the president's announcement. It would have been to the minute about the time that his family found out that he had passed away or the people that were at the hospital have found out that he had passed away. So do you explain how you found that out and why you chose to remove the video? Well, yeah, I'm first interested to find out why y'all think I was the first or one of the first to do that because I mean, a rough estimate, there's between one to three million pieces of social media content that are produced every second worldwide. And my team looked it up. If there's 180 million posts per minute and let's just say the first 30 minutes, we're talking 5.4 billion posts in 30 minutes. How could y'all narrow it down? What type of technology could y'all do to narrow it down that I was one of the first ones to post that he had passed? Let's put it in a context that's easier. The first person in Charlie's orbit that announced the information and when we put it down to the minute, it was when Erica found out that Charlie had passed away. So I was wondering how that was. Okay, I had someone text me and he said, my son is at Charlie's event and Charlie was just shot. And it doesn't look good. We went on it. I watched Charlie being shot one time. And my team, many who are former special operations guys in combat medics, lots of experience, they viewed it multiple times because I wouldn't. And they said Charlie, they said Charlie wouldn't live from that. And I knew it. I knew the only time I saw it, I knew there's no way he could have survived that. And when I made a post and said, Charlie's passed, of course, I know Frank Turing, I know the security teams, I put it up. And then I didn't see anybody else posting it. I thought it was premature and I pulled it down because it just felt wrong that I would post it. But I wanted people to pray. Yeah. I don't believe that for even one second because common sense, that's the thing that I suffer from. I know many people at home, you guys also suffer from this chronic condition in today's world, common sense, Victor. You just said you're friends with Frank Turing, you're friends with the security guys. You told us elsewhere in the interview that Eileen and Erica, they got so close because, well, you're one of the people who got the job so close because, well, your wife, your bride, mentors Erica, right? You were so close to Charlie's security apparatus, in fact, that you were able to swiftly coordinate taking over for them a mere 48 hours later in Phoenix, remember? Yeah, you said, oh, they were tired, they were stressed, so you guys came in and your team took over the security apparatus. So we can bet, I think, confidently place a bet that you didn't sit there texting nobody for an hour and then moving to simply guess that Charlie was dead. You were just sitting there, twiddling your thumbs, did all these contacts with people in the inner circle and said, I'm just gonna wait 50 minutes and then I'm gonna announce the role that Charlie said. That defies logic. I don't like when people expect me to be stupid and that expects me to be stupid. So how it works is that when you know people, when you're in the inner orbit, you utilize those resources to get information. You don't stand back and guess with the rest of the world, kind of like how I was texting Andrew Colvett, because why would I stand back and guess Charlie's condition when I know the people directly involved who can provide me with real information? Nobody would do that, Victor. You text people you know, I know Frank Turrick, I know security teams, that's what you said, right? You text those people for information and the obvious, sensible message to send initially is, is Charlie okay? What's going on? What's happening? OMG, I just saw the news. Is he okay? Now, if for some reason you opted not to do that, Victor, and you simply twiddled your thumbs for 50 minutes and then ventured to guess that he was dead and decided to post a selfie video, then that is extraordinary. That is, to me, extraordinarily suspicious, okay? Here's what a normal text message exchange should look like between somebody who had no idea that their friend was going to be shot on September 10th and had access to people who could provide immediate updates as to what their friend's condition was, okay? Here is a text exchange between me and Andrew Colvett on that day. Please say he's okay, I wrote. I don't know, pray. Shot for sure, Andrew writes back. I said, we just prayed before I texted. Any details on where he was shot, I am freaking out. He says in the neck head area, I said, I saw the footage, I cannot deal with this. Do you see the problem here, Victor? You're saying that you didn't do that. You didn't do that, you didn't text for an update, you had no idea what was going on, you just were sitting around, the white didn't text, you just sitting around and you tarrowed Farnsworth's it, right? You decided for an hour to do nothing until it was time to record yourself. You texted nobody that you had access to and then you randomly hopped onto Instagram in selfie mode to declare to the world that Charlie was dead prematurely, absent any intel. I don't believe that for one second. That story has about as much credibility with me as a three-year-old beheading a cat and wearing it on his head. I actually would rank the three-year-old beheading the cat and wearing it on his head as more likely. That registers to me as less fiction than the story that you are telling, that you're telling me that I'm supposed to transpire on that day. So then I'm forced to ask myself, Victor, why would you say it? Why would you say it? It's so easy to instead say, well, reason why I was first to text it 15 minutes later, which is about the time Erica found out. Well, me and my bride, we're close to Erica. That's what you could say. We were close to Erica. We were in that inner sanctum and we found out, well, I don't know, maybe we messaged Andrew Colbert, we messaged the security team. That wouldn't be weird, right? Actually, Frank Turrick and the security team should have been the first to know that Charlie was dead, they took him to the hospital. So why instead try to sell it to the public that you took a random shot in the dark? If I had to guess, I would say it's because you're protecting someone. Who is that someone? Maybe you're protecting something. What is that something? The good news is that I actually don't have to guess because I'm currently being sued by Brian Harpole, head of Charlie's security team. And since you mentioned that you were in communication with the security team, so much so that you were able to relieve them of their duty. So you said elsewhere in the interview, you took over the security apparatus. That's why you were with Erica. I'm able to hug her and Eileen were able to provide such relief to the team. They were tired, they were traumatized. I imagine that took some communication. Your communications with the security team during those critical hours might be relevant to my lawsuit. Maybe Brian or Dan communicated to you that they felt that they didn't do all that they could do. Maybe that's why they were traumatized. I don't know. I really don't know, Victor, but I'm going to need to find out because I'm being sued for defamation. Which is why we sent earlier today Victor Mark's legal preservation letter and I hope that we can get to the bottom of what actually transpired on that day. And I think Victor might be able to help, right? Because he did in fact say this. And then you were among the first to post, obviously you and your wife, actually maybe it was actually just you in the first two days that went to Erica and Charlie's place to provide her some comfort. So you were quite close to Erica. We brought our team immediately to help give relief for the first security team who I knew when I was in contact with and they were suffering trauma and exhaustion. They didn't have a secondary. So yeah, we went there. Of course, my bride was with me. Her and Erica are very, very close. And we were just standing by to bring comfort or help. The number one need they had and we felt like it and we were asked to is to provide security to give relief. So that's what we did. It's very kind of you. I'm interested in learning more about that through the power of subpoena. And frankly, Victor's subsequent admission regarding what he texted Erica while she was at the hospital raised even more eyebrows online because here's what he said. And then I contacted Erica through a text and told her, I was told her nobody's gonna kill you. You're safe, you and the kids, no one's coming after you. They just wanted Charlie. And I was just trying to reassure because as a... You declared he was dead on the basis of people saying it didn't look good. On the basis of people, myself included, who've held dead and dying men from combat in horrible situations. And anybody who saw the killing and has that experience, no, we knew he was dead instantly. Yeah. Something's not adding up. Didn't text to see if he was alive, but then suddenly said, you're totally good. They only wanted to kill Charlie. Who's they? Who is they? They only wanted to kill Charlie. You and the children are fine. How could you say that? Would that be your first text to a widow? I don't feel like that's the first text to the widow. We're missing something. And hopefully we can start to put the puzzle pieces together because we also sent out some more preservation letters. I also sent one to Paramount, not so tactical. I am willing to get into the weeds here. It is odd. Everything they are saying is odd. Everyone around Erica is just odd, right? Who would say those things? Who would text her not to see if their husband is ever alive, abstain, but then swoop in to say, they only wanted to kill Charlie. You're all good. No. And there's something else that I learned that I hadn't shared. I actually learned this some time ago, but today feels like a good time to do so. And let me preface this with the fact that this came from Erica. So it is, of course, plausible, always plausible, that she lied, but I can confirm that she said it to multiple people. Not to me, but to multiple people. I have evidence of that. In the weeks following Charlie's assassination, she shared with people that Charlie and her were due to sign updated end of life documents on September 15th. Let me say that again. Charlie and her had an appointment and a date to sign updated end of life documents on September 15th, the Monday after he died. That is remarkable timing. That Charlie was just about to update his will, but then he didn't make it to Monday. Like I said, I trust the sources on this one. So how are we to interpret that? Okay, we have two options here. Neither one of them is particularly a positive outcome for Erica I might add. Option one is that Erica was lying when she shared this information. Okay, perhaps it's totally plausible. She said it out of insecurity, feeling that people might wonder why she was taking over his entire company. Remarkably, despite having the ability to present that in his will, a corporate will, his personal will to say I expressed this is my desire, Charlie hadn't particularly documented that desire or also would have been told that. So this would sort of rank similar to her telling Megan Kelly that Charlie had only just expressed an aspirin three weeks before his untimely death, but he was abandoning his 10 year publicly expressed desire for women to prioritize their home life and their children above climbing the corporate ladder. It was, in my opinion, not something that he actually said outside of AI tools, but something that they thought they would have to pretend he said to assuage public questions and concern about the seemingly contrary move. So that's an option. There's an option that she just said that to someone in the same vein. Oh, you're probably wondering why I'm taking over his whole life here. Why I'm gonna be on that Air Force board and why I'm going to be giving speeches and going on tour and being the CEO and chairman. Well, Charlie, it was crazy timing. Charlie was actually just about to update his end of life documents to reflect his brand new feminist desires that he had come on very quickly three weeks before his untimely passing. Alas, right? That's an option. That's an option she just liked. Option two is that Erica is not lying and that Charlie and her did indeed have an upcoming appointment on September 15th to adjust his will and testament. Then the question becomes to what end and why? Okay, you don't just update your will for funsies. That's not how it works. If you don't have a will, you just don't do that. It's a lot of paperwork, especially for somebody as fly-hying as Charlie Kirk, especially if you're saying you're going in and you had an appointment to do it. That's your, this is not a little update that's happening. There are life events, right? Every time I have a child, you have to add a kid to your will. Okay, so they already get it. We're going to divide this amongst the children. There's one more kid that gets done via email. When you are going in to do an update, there has to be a life event that warrants that sort of a change. Example, you hit the lottery. Oh, we hit the lottery. We've got billions. Let's get into that office and update our will and testament. Okay. Maybe you would do it if you completely decided to switch who you were doing your life insurance with for some reason. Maybe you get a better deal. I don't know. That might be generally speaking another reason that you were going in to change your will. It signals that there was a major shift in your personal life. So the question, the necessary follow-up question, if Erica is telling the truth, is what was this life changing event? What was the reason that Erica and Charlie were just about to go in on the 15th to update his end of life documents? Okay, there was no new kid, which again would not require you to go in in most circumstances. It could be different in Arizona. What's the change? And last we forget, he already had, Charlie already had a corporate life insurance policy, which included, I am told, a $10 million payout for Erica and the children. He could have listed desires. His corporate will, his personal will, if he wanted Erica to become a CEO in chairman since everybody is telling them a daily mail. He said so many times, oh, it doesn't even matter. Doesn't even matter if that video exists or if I think we're getting ahead of ourselves. The real thing is that every time, everywhere and every place, people had side conversations with him and he would just mention it. Like just like, it's just a, Charlie, you want some coffee? No, what I actually want is for my wife to go over my company in the event that I get shot. That was it. Everyone knows it. It's just a no-known. Let me tell you guys something. Again, as sufferers of chronic common sense, in literally every murder mystery ever, in real life and within the world of fiction, a will change or a desired will change on Monday, in the near future, a missed and unexpected death event is something that investigators typically pay attention to. So investigators, if you'd like to reach out to me to receive the names of the people who Erica disclosed this information to, I would be happy and willing to provide it. Anything to assist in the non-investigation of Charlie Kirk that is happening from the FBI, the FBI, and the state of Utah. Let me know how I can not help. If Erica is telling the truth, I cannot think of a life event that would have warranted a change in Charlie's will. There may have been one. But in the midst of Charlie telling people that $10 million was missing from his company, allegedly, in the midst of him establishing a DOGE internal audit to locate this alleged $10 million, which was subsequently canceled in the wake of his death that audit was canceled, why? In the midst of him texting those closest to him and saying, they're going to kill me, tomorrow I think I am going to be killed. I am fully within my right to wonder if he realized that there were a few snakes in his garden. Who was going to benefit from his death? Did Charlie actually make the appointment alone? Actually, that's a possibility too, right? Were his communications being monitored? He tried to carve out an appointment because he was fearful of some death event as he expressed. And did he try to radically then shift learning that he had suspected somebody was taking money, siphoning money out of turning point USA, that his life was not what he thought it was? He's asking, I want canis back, why? Why does he want canis back? Because I told him not to trust any of those people. All of the people that the world now sees are the snakes that were in Charlie's garden. I saw them first and I warned Charlie about those people. So what happened? Were they monitoring? I think they were. I believe, I know everyone had access to everything. Andrew Krollvett was running his Twitter, Mikey had his laptop. I mean, everybody did have access to Charlie's everything because he was too trusting. Did they find out somehow that he was going into change as well? I don't know, but these are questions that ought to be asked when the entire narrative that is currently being presented to us makes entirely no sense. And when his wife just seems okay with it making no sense. Actually, you know, just a little adjacent story, little sidebar here. Remember that grieving widow we told you about a few months ago? The one in Utah, ironically, he was found guilty of murdering her husband out in, but like not instantly. Corey Richens was her name. Her husband died of an overdose. She then wrote a children's book and went on a public book tour to promote how to cope with loss. The loss of a, with her grieving children. Are you with me by Corey D. Richens? The media ate that up. Here is a little quick clip to jog your memory about Corey on tour as the grieving widow. Parent, a sibling or friend talking about loss with kids can be a tricky subject. Joining us now is author of Are You With Me? Corey Richens to share her three C's to helping kids cope with grief. And Corey, I want to start with your story. What happened in your personal life? So my husband passed away unexpectedly last year. So it's March 4th was a one year anniversary for us. And he was 39. It completely took us all by shock. And we have three little boys, 10, nine and six. And we kind of, my kids and I kind of wrote this book on the different emotions and grieving processes that we've experienced last year. And hoping that it can kind of help other kids deal with this and kind of find happiness some way or another. And to make sense and process, I'm sure. And I'm sure you felt that going through and trying to explain it and articulate it for you and your boys. Yes, exactly, exactly. A month later, she would be arrested over a year after her husband had passed away. And I wanted to mention that because changing wills, changing life insurance policy was a huge piece of the prosecution's case against her. See, her husband, Eric Richens, also her victim, gratefully and successfully managed to transfer his entire estate and business interests into his sister's name covertly. A few weeks before he passed away, before he was murdered, he was feeling like someone might kill him and that someone was his wife. And so he coordinated with his sister and transferred everything into her name. His wife had no idea that he had done it shortly before he died and out of fear for figuring out who his wife was. Simultaneously, the court heard that Corrie herself attempted to change the beneficiary of his corporate life insurance so that she would receive it 100% of the payout. But she got caught. Both of these changes signaled to the jury that something was amiss. Eric was terrified of his wife. And like I said, fortunately for Eric, he had people in his orbit and in his life that he was actually able to trust with that information, that he was able to trust when he said, I think she's gonna kill me. Anyway, that's just an aside. I will reiterate my earlier point that any attempted or recently accomplished will changes surrounding an unexpected death event should be further investigated. So, if you'd like to reach out to me, investigators, I'm here and ready to help. I suspect I won't be hearing from you. I can tear I say, Eric up, you're interested. No, of course not. We'll be right back after a break. All right, you guys, I used to think that great skincare had to be complicated. Like if I wasn't using 10 different products, I wasn't doing enough. And then I found Nemi's three step anti-aging routine and it has changed everything. It's simple, it's fast and my skin has never looked better. Step one is the vitamin C cleanser. It leaves my skin feeling fresh and clean without that dry, tight feeling. Then I use the peptide moisturizer during the day for hydration and firmness and at night. The renewal night cream is my favorite part. I wake up looking rested, smoother and glowing. That's it, just three steps morning and night. And what I love most is that Nemi focuses on ingredients that actually work without making skincare feel overwhelming. 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Maybe there is a reason Charlie wanted to do that at the same time that he thought people were going to kill him and he wanted to conduct a dojo audit. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. But I'd certainly like to find out and something else that they said that was mentioned, which was later confirmed by the Daily Mail in their investigation into the AI video was that a, Eric also communicated that a Turning Point USA board member was going to be helping them with those changes. Interestingly enough, you might recall from that Daily Mail article that they said that they spoke to a TPUSA board member who said that he was helping with those affairs. I wonder who that is. I wonder who that is. It's probably one of the people that signed the letter announcing Erica, and this is if I'm just taking a shot in the dark, I would imagine it was one of the board members who announced that Erica was going to be the CEO and the chairman, maybe like a Doug DeGroote, like Miller, I don't know. Like I said, if I was an interested investigator, these would be some crumbs that I would follow. As an update and moving on, I wanted to let you guys know that I am still being ghosted by the White House. It's depressing really. I've never been ghosted. Ashley, my producer has never been ghosted. This is the first time. It feels weird. I feel like I was left on red. The White House Correspondents Dinner Communications are very relevant, which is why we filed an FOIA request. Erica Kirk written in as an emotional assets just over an hour after shots are fired, not concerned about safety, but in making sure that that video is number one in the morning, that is not something that we are going to let go. We need to keep the pressure on Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA, okay? Because it's working. We are getting more information. They're making more foolish decisions. I mean, how ill-advisable to go to the Daily Mail to say, we're gonna host a little private screening with you, what was it on Zoom or something? And we're gonna show you how real this video is. It's so real. We're the victims of the conspiracies, even though we're the ones that presented the video to tell people that it existed, and then decided to have Erica walk out to just the audio of it. They just think they're smarter. That's not, so many little, icorous birdies just flying so close to the sun. We've got power, we've got money, we've got Epstein class connections. We could do whatever we want. We'll see about that. We'll see about that. I, me, vengeance does not belong to me. Nope, not at all. But I've just seen it so many times, people like this who just think that they have enough power to be bad people, to lie and to dupe the public. They're not regular. They've classed up. Okay. Anyway, regarding the White House Correspondents Dinner, we will keep the count down going and then see how far this goes. I want to provide you guys also with a very quick update on the Tyler Robinson case. I think people had some questions yesterday because there was much ado about nothing in the press, a ton of articles being spun out to suggest that Tyler Robinson wanted to conceal the evidence from the public. He wants the evidence sealed from the public. And the headlines, of course, were not representing reality. That's why they don't want, by the way, cameras in the courtroom. I do. I'm glad there will be cameras in the courtroom, but this has been their fear that the headlines are not representing reality. And yesterday was a prime example. This was the headline of Fox News, Tyler Robinson hearing the defense vies to restrict evidence and testimony in the Charlie Kirk assassination. AP News, lawyers for the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk asked to seal evidence in parts of a key hearing. News Nation, lawyers for the accused, Charlie Kirk shooter, seek to seal evidence in court. Okay, so let me walk you through what is actually happening. In short, there is no change, okay? The preliminary hearing is fast approaching. We discussed this. The defense still has not received their discovery requests. So effectively, the state, the victim, Erica Kirk, they wanna be able to present during this preliminary hearing, all of this evidence that has not been prodded by the defense. Evidence that ultimately when they get to the trial, they may say it's inadmissible, because it's inadmissible. They can't argue that's inadmissible right now because they don't have the means to argue it. What they're saying is if we must go through with this preliminary hearing, if you are insisting that this has to happen and we are not going to receive our discovery requests, then you should seal the quote unquote evidence in case it becomes inadmissible down the line. There's evidence of that. As should we pull that page from the Tyler Robinson's filings where they list everything that they're asking to be sealed and they demonstrate in the column why they want it sealed. Okay, we could pull it up later, but they're explaining very carefully, hey, we want this sealed, we want this sealed because they're going in with hearsay evidence. They're bringing five officers to say things. They're gonna have Lance, Lance Twigs' testimony to say things. We need to be at a further place in this. You're gonna testify and show these text messages, you're gonna show this, you're gonna show that. We don't even know if these text messages are real. So what would happen if they allowed the prosecution to present those text messages and they were not under seal? What would happen is exactly what you just saw. You would have Fox News, you would have News Nation, you would have Paramount Not-So-Tactical and their influencer orbit of people saying, Booyah, Booyah, see these messages, they're in court, so now it's real. They think the public is stupid and that they will not be able to sort through down the line. They think if you're first across the finish line, if we can just show this in court, people will think that it has been vetted and it's legitimate. And so they are saying, don't give the media the opportunity to spin something that may ultimately be proven inadmissible because it's fraudulent. And here is the documents that we're going to pull up here. We can get to that page that just shows left and right. Here's 31, like the case in point, the FBI DNA report, right? The towel, the screwdriver, they haven't even been able to see this stuff. They have not, they said they weren't even able to see the gun. Listed 32, the ATF Ballistics Report. Yeah, they want this stuff sealed because ultimately, if they can't actually go through it and prove that it is legitimate or understand their methods for how they presented it, they may down the line say to the jury, nevermind, that's inadmissible. So do not color the public, do not color jury with stuff that down the line may ultimately mean nothing. It makes perfect sense there is no change. All right, you guys, I do want to shift gears here. I do not often weigh in on the podcast Wars, so to speak. I think because I'm usually the one that's at the center of them. But there was a script I went around to say that really, or last week rather, that really bothered me and it bothered me for two reasons. I obviously like Joe Rogan. I am friends with the Ovan. He's literally one of the best people that I know my children absolutely adore him. I tell you that he's just exactly what you think he is. Exactly what you get on his show is who he is and he is like the fun uncle, the fungal that everybody wants. And I had seen earlier, I think it was a few months ago that Joe Rogan had discussed Theo when he was sitting across from him. And Theo was rightfully venting about the Epstein class and the pedophile class. And it sort of seemed like Joe Rogan's response was to treat Theo Van like a child that was just crazy and he'd just chill out. And it's the way we all feel. We're very frustrated with the system. And I said, okay, whatever, they're just two guys talking. But then Theo Van was not in the presence of Joe Rogan and he was sitting across from someone discussing Theo Van's SSRI usage. And this is what Joe Rogan said and it caused quite a bit of backlash. Take a listen. Yeah, Theo Van's going through the exact same thing. And last time he was on the podcast, he was explaining it to me and it freaks me out because I know Theo's had conversations before even publicly, he had a Netflix taping and it didn't go well. It was like they actually, they shelved it. They never used it. There was all these stories from people that were there saying he bombed. I think he just had kind of a breakdown. When he was talking to the crowd and there's a video of it, we said, the people were shaking, hey, we still love you, thank you. Look, I'm just, I'm trying not to take my own life. That's what I'm trying to do right now. And like you hear stuff like that and you just go like, oh, Jesus Christ, I've known too many people that I didn't think were gonna kill themselves and then did. And then he goes down these spirals where he starts talking about world events and freaking out. I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, like I gotta help this dude. And so I send him things about people getting off of them and apparently there's some doctors that specialize in getting people off of them. But here's the thing about that chemical imbalance thing. That's not real. They used to think that that was what these things do, that they treated a chemical imbalance. But then recently, the studies have shown that that is not what they do. They don't exactly know what they do. And they kind of numb you in some sort of a way that helps some people. So to the portion that I very much agree with Joe Roganow was just the very end, which didn't require anything about the Ovan, which is my personal opinion about the drugs they put people on for emotional reasons. And I very much have shared my story of how lucky I was that I had a friend in college that when I went through a breakup and was boohoo crying and the doctor wrote me a prescription of Xanax was like, you don't need Xanax, that's a human emotion. Why would you want to take something that's going to stop you from feeling a human emotion? Nothing's wrong with you. You turns out you're just human. And so I get that part of the conversation. It was just sort of presenting as I'm being compassionate by talking about the Ovan. If he actually was in this dark place and his whole life was coming apart and you want to take his own life, that certainly wouldn't be the thing that helped him. That would actually be the thing that maybe tipped him over the edge, right? And so I looked at that and I said, what is that actually? What are we doing here and kind of caging it like you're a friend and you're concerned when any person who was concerned as a friend would not publicly do something like that. So I thought it was really icky and I was not happy about it. And then I saw, I didn't say anything about it. I'm always saying something now because I watched the back for Theo responded to that clip because it went viral and people were equally as like, what is that? And Theo of Ovan responded and said, this is mostly cap. That's slang by the way. I don't cap. I don't really know what it means. He's cooler than me. Sad to see this kind of stuff. I'm doing great. I'm a human being, which is a rocky ride, but I'm doing fine. Thanks. And yeah, being a human being is a rocky ride. And you never know the context of what somebody is saying to someone, whether they're kidding when they say something. Like he told me it was wildly taking out of context. And he was like, oh, I'm trying not to kill myself. And everyone got all concerned. And so it, yeah, I just didn't love it. I did not love it. And what I did really love though, was that Joe Roebombs did something that he's never done in the history of his show, where he just recorded him apologizing. And I don't think it was motivated for selfish reasons. I really don't. I think I sense his sincerity in this. I don't think it was like, well, people are all mad at me because people have been mad at him very many times in the past and he's not apologized in this way. And I just wanted to play that because very rarely in the podcast space do you ever see anyone apologize for anything. There's so much arrogance. And this was cool. So I'm gonna play it. I apologize to Theo. He knows I love him. And he said that and we laughed and we joked around about it. And I apologize for the way I talked about this. But I felt like I need to explain to other people too, to get just like what was going on in my mind out. And it certainly wasn't like covering for Israel. And it certainly wasn't like trying to paint him out like he's damaged or treat him like a child. I just want him to be okay. And when you're dealing with someone or you when you have like had experience dealing with someone that where it winds up going very badly. And then you're just left with this feeling like what could I have done? You know, I didn't do a good job of it. You know, especially like the Marcus King thing. Like that's terrible what I did. I didn't mean to. I was just trying to, you don't think sometimes when you're in the middle of a podcast you're just having a conversation. You don't think about the impact that it's gonna have. That's one of the reasons why, you know, podcasts are so weird. Cause like you're in the middle of trying to be entertaining but you're also just having a conversation. And I f***ed up. So because I felt so badly about it, I was like, there's gotta be a way to address this where I just express myself. And so that's why we've never done this before. We've never done this kind of a thing after a podcast. But Theo's very important to me. He's an awesome person, a great friend. And one of the most interesting and funny people I've ever met in my life. And I just felt terrible about it. And I told them I'd never bring it up publicly again. But I think it is important to let people know that aspect of it. So I'm gonna call him and clear this with him and make sure he's cool with me saying this but I'm pretty sure he's gonna be. And that's it. So I'm a human and I'm flawed like all of us and I f*** up and it's probably not the last time. It's definitely not, I'm gonna f*** up again. But my intention is never to hurt anybody ever. Easily the coolest thing I've ever seen on the Joe Rogan experience because it was basically what Theo talked about. We're all human, we make mistakes. And he's right, especially me. I really do say things like I am talking to my friends on a podcast, that's real. You can just kind of forget that you're alive and you like, it'd be weird if you're like, Joe Rogan, you're number one, you should know what you're saying at all times. Well, he's doing hours and hours of podcasting and it is sometimes you just forget yourself and you're deep into a conversation and you think you are alone with the person me, I guess, just talking to you guys. And then I'm like, ooh, did I say that? I'm thinking of like minor situations where I've said something and I'm like, gosh, I really didn't even recognize that. So I just think it's a little more of that, I think. And it's just cool to see people resolve something in a very human way. And I thought that was just a rare happy thing that happened in politics. And I thought it was a good thing for me to end on that since I was basically gonna breathe fire this entire episode. So I just need to calm myself down with a nice story. Anyway, we'll take a brief break and we'll get to your comments. 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Yeah, remember his like bizarre, it was three years, two years. Talk about just coming across generally soft and unfit to serve in the armed forces. That was an example of exactly that. Get alone to be in like trying to lead an entire state of Colorado. I don't think that that works if you're that soft and fragile. Ultraviolet writes, I survived Victor Marks is what most of us are feeling right now. Yeah, definitely thinking people that say that they were emotionally abused by him. That's tracking for me. A vibe person. And I feel like the vibes are there that he could in fact be guilty of just that. All right. Comments from today's episode. Oops, opened the wrong document. Seven Sheets writes, Any news on Erica Kirk rushing to trademark Charlie's name and his parents, bless them, are suing her over this. Is this what a widow would do or a power money grab and why without the consent of his parents, prayers and faith? I think that was just an internet rumor. I never heard that. I had never received any information about that. And I don't know that. I would imagine Charlie's name was already trademarked possibly. I don't know what trademarks were filed. I guess we can look and see that and you can check the dates. I have not done that trademark search. But yeah, I don't, I would imagine that that is not the circumstance. And I think a lot of rumors are flying around and that one kind of went more viral than some other ones. Z. A. Mitt writes, Congressman Thomas Massey was france fade yesterday. Unfortunately, the battle is physical. The war is spiritual. Devils over playing his hand. I will leave it at that. It is you. The only, it only works if people believe it's real. You know what I'm saying? Power works when people believe it's real. Power is actually quite fragile. So when people begin to recognize that they are being ruled over, like when the slaves look up and recognize that actually they're on a plantation, that's not good. It's one of the reasons why slaves are not allowed to learn how to read the slave codes. Like it was actually such a, a insistent slave code that even if you were a slave owner and you were caught teaching a slave how to read, you would also face penalties and fines and punishment because yeah, they need you to be ignorant. That's the point. They need you to be stupid and people are not stupid right now. They get what's going on. And so I personally like the phase where they get arrogant. I like this phase where they start saying the things that they're saying and I just, like I said, I've seen it happen a great many times and we are headed in that direction with the Epstein class. Two Tone Tommy writes, there are two sets of Cajones between Brigitte and Victor. There is one set of Cajones between Candice and Victor and Victor ain't got it. I don't want Cajones. I don't want Cajones. I, but I get what you're saying at the point that you're making Victor just, you know, just registered to me as a bit unstable, emotionally unstable. Happy says he's working on it. I have no doubt that he probably did not have a peachy childhood. Actually, frankly, I'd like to family. They reminded me a lot of my family. It could just Southern people and like one side of my family, at least Southern people seemed like people that cared and had dignity and respect and a sense of honor about their ways, even if things were a bit crazy growing up. That's the vibe I got. Mandy writes the urgency by our government to build these data centers, which drain our drinking water supply and strain our local grids needs to be talked about. We talked about it last week. I think everybody is talking about it and they should continue to talk about it and within your community when they are trying to do these sorts of things, you need to cause an uproar. There are more of us than them. I think Charlie always said to me, what is one thing that every single slave civilization since the beginning of time had in common with one another? And the answer is there were always more slaves and masters. So think about that. Zach Costello show. Oh, I've watched some of your episodes. Zach Costello, hello. Zach writes the timeline of Charlie to car, drive to hospital, surgeon and Andrew Colbert finding out, puts Victor March's Instagram post at exactly within the timeframe that his closest inner circle was finding out. Someone informed him in my opinion. I totally agree with you, Zach. That's the point we were making. It was when right around the timeline when Erica finds out, it's actually a little bit before when Andrew Colbert finds out. So that signals to me that someone in the hospital, perhaps a security team or Erica informed him that Charlie was gone. Just putting together the blue clues. I definitely don't think he was just wagering a guess. That doesn't register right to me. Or maybe he was a part of the Israel chat because like I mentioned the other day, Pastor Jack Hibbs and that little orbit of TPUSA faith adjacent people ish were also the among the first to say that Charlie had passed and that for some reason Israel knew first. Who do I don't know why they knew first? Who knows why Israel knew first? Israel didn't do nothing. They never did anything other than assassinate a sitting president of the United States. Abdullah Kab writes, Candice, what do you think about the shooting at the mosque in LA? It is the first time that I've seen mass shooters take their own life. Is it another attempt to place a wedge between Christian America and Muslims? I actually did not follow that story, so I'm a bit uneducated, but I will just say more broadly speaking, the attempt to pull Christians and Muslims apart and keep them warm with each other has become very evident. And I always speak about 9-11 and the intentional brainwashing that took place across my generation, making us every day, never forget 9-11, stand up at 9 a.m. and 11 minutes every day. And for a moment of silence, that was what was going on at my high school, to drive the sphere of Muslims, how I was thinking that they were radical. And I think that now our generation is grown up, and we have some different ideas and opinions about who could have been around 9-11, who benefited from those Middle Eastern wars which subsequently took place. It certainly wasn't America, and it certainly wasn't Christians. I will leave it at that. James, the least right if I wanted to be governor of Colorado, I wouldn't go on one of the biggest podcasts in the country and say absolutely nothing about why I should be governor. On the other hand, if I had a lot of money to launder, what easier way to do that than to run for office? I think we have the worst options that people that are running. I don't know how Ed Galeran is not just embarrassed to be alive, honestly, to not even run and to have everybody know what you are, effectively a prostitute. Right, you're a prostitute, you know that, you had no crowd, you had to have the cabra zoomed in real close to your face so people couldn't see, the no crowd that showed up even to your victory party, nobody was there. I just think we need to bring back culture of shame and as a man, that should kill you, you should die from embarrassment automatically. Right, just like, oh, I was a man, I'm just going to pass away, testosterone deficiency or something. That's if I was Ed Galeran, that's what I would expect, but I guess we live in a different generation, people are pansies and people are like, hmm, let me, hmm, yay, I'm just going to do what I can to get rich and vote how they tell me to vote. Yeah, you're a slave to Ed, so just, you think you're one in the house, that's all that is. 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