2 Addicts & A Moron

EP 51: Cricchi Returns: Music, Fatherhood & the Journey Beyond Addiction

128 min
May 7, 2025about 1 year ago
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Summary

Creechy returns as the first repeat guest to discuss fatherhood, music career balance, and personal growth in recovery. The conversation explores how becoming a parent fundamentally shifts priorities, values, and creative output, while maintaining ambition in music and building a new home. The hosts discuss broader themes of emotional maturity, relationship communication, and the applicability of recovery principles to everyday life.

Insights
  • Parenthood creates a natural reprioritization where time becomes more valuable than money, forcing artists and professionals to be more selective about opportunities and commitments
  • Recovery principles (12-step framework, emotional regulation, delayed responses) are universally applicable to non-addicted populations struggling with relationships, career decisions, and personal growth
  • Consistent, authentic content creation without rigid scripting builds deeper audience connection and allows for organic discovery of meaningful topics
  • The transition from addiction-focused music to family-centered songwriting reflects genuine personal evolution and resonates more broadly with audiences seeking relatable narratives
  • Delayed emotional responses and 'sleeping on it' before major decisions significantly reduces regret and improves life outcomes across addiction recovery and general life management
Trends
Recovery-adjacent content gaining mainstream appeal beyond addiction-specific audiences as self-help and personal developmentArtist-parent balance becoming central narrative in hip-hop and music industry as creators prioritize family over touring/streaming metricsDIY podcast model (unscripted, guest-driven, long-form) outperforming traditional media formats in audience loyalty and engagementSkepticism toward processed food, bioengineered ingredients, and technology dependency growing among younger parents and health-conscious demographicsCold outreach and relationship-building (emails to labels, executives) proving more effective than traditional industry gatekeeping for emerging artistsMicro-sponsorships and donation-based models ($1-$100 sliding scale) emerging as viable alternative to traditional brand partnerships for independent creatorsFatherhood and parental vulnerability becoming acceptable and marketable content in male-dominated hip-hop and podcast spacesStreaming metrics (top 38,000 artists globally) becoming secondary to direct fan relationships and live performance revenue for independent musicians
Topics
Fatherhood and parental responsibility in recoveryWork-life balance for artists with young childrenEmotional regulation and delayed response techniquesMusic career sustainability without constant content output12-step program applicability to non-addicted populationsRelationship communication and conflict resolutionChildhood trauma and character defects in relationshipsStreaming economics and artist revenue modelsUnscripted podcast format and audience engagementBioengineered food and health concernsMotocross and individual sports for child developmentSuicide ideation and recovery from depressionSocial media impact on mental health and relationshipsCold outreach and networking for music industryMerch and tour revenue as primary income streams
Companies
Warner Music Group
Executive director reached out after cold email campaign, showing interest in Creechy's music for editorial considera...
Spotify
Discussed as primary streaming platform; Creechy's album reached top 47 in country hip-hop charts after release
SoundCloud
Early platform where Creechy tracked initial listener growth before mainstream success
YouTube
Podcast now has 62,000+ subscribers; discussed as major distribution platform for content
H.E.B.
Grocery store mentioned in context of making 'spreads' (prison-style meals) during recovery living
Target
Mentioned as retailer selling money gun toys (Monopoly version) used in music video production
YMCA
Venue where Creechy's daughter's volleyball team won championship tournament
Facebook
Platform with memory feature that prompted reflection on children's growth over time
Google
Used for calendar management and spreadsheet tools for podcast scheduling and artist management
MySpace
Historical platform where early touring band (Endofin) shared content and tour updates
People
Creechy
First repeat guest discussing music career, fatherhood, and recovery journey; ranked top 38,000 artists globally
Mike
Co-host discussing recovery, parenting, and personal growth; 6 years sober with daughter and son
Destiny
Co-host mentioned as supportive partner; believes they could get Eminem on the podcast
Rachel Elizabeth
Previous guest on podcast; described as humble, grounded, and supportive of recovery community
Casey
Featured on Creechy's song 'Waiting to Breathe'; described as grounded, helpful, and mission-focused despite success
Kevin Gates
Artist whose music resonated with Mike during addiction; influenced his musical taste and recovery journey
Brian Welch
Wrote recovery memoir about meth addiction; inspired by daughter singing inappropriate lyrics; walked away from $25M ...
Willie Nelson
Referenced for balanced approach to career and life; refuses to retire, plays guitar and golf indefinitely
Tom Green
Documentary subject who left LA entertainment industry for farm life in Canada; travels in van, rides donkey
Matthew
First sponsor acquisition for podcast; volunteered as ambassador without payment, secured sponsorship deal
Gringo the MC
Organizing May tour; Creechy opening shows across 11+ cities (Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois)
Jason (DFW Airporter)
Provided Mercedes Sprinter van for Creechy's tour; offers luxury group transportation in DFW area
Creechy's manager
Manages Creechy's career; sends cold emails to labels/executives; maintains professionalism and tracks metrics
Robin Williams
Referenced as example of funny person with dark side; appeared on 'Whose Line Is It Anyway'; known for depression
Wayne Brady
Cast member of 'Whose Line Is It Anyway'; discussed as example of improvisational comedy talent
Joe Rogan
Referenced as aspirational podcast platform; hosts mentioned wanting to appear on his show for audience growth
Eminem
Mentioned as dream guest for podcast; Destiny believes appearance would significantly boost audience
Bill W.
Creator of 12-step recovery framework; discussed as foundational to recovery and applicable to general life
Quotes
"I gave her life, but she saved mine. There's no doubt about it. Like she absolutely saved my life."
CreechyEarly in episode
"The dream is free. The hustle sold separately."
MikeMid-episode
"God's got you right where you're supposed to be."
Creechy's grandmother (referenced)Late episode
"When you figure out it's you... oh yeah. That's a hitter, dude."
MikeMid-episode
"You never know how close the dream is until you get there. You have no clue. Right. And then when you get there, it's that much more fucking rewarding."
CreechyLate episode
"If you're not ruffling feathers, you're not doing something right."
Referenced quoteMid-episode
Full Transcript
Disclaimer, at Two Addicts in the Moron we discuss personal stories of addiction with the intention of being educational, relatable, and inspirational. The views and experiences shared are those of individuals involved are not meant to glorify or condone any illegal or harmful behavior. This content is for educational purposes only and is not intended as professional advice. If you or someone you know is struggling with addiction, we strongly encourage you seek help from a qualified professional or support service. We're back to Two Addicts in the Moron Episode 51. Man, I'm gonna go deep in there. Yeah, we're deep dude. And we have our first multi-guest. Yes. On individually. Rachel's been on here a couple times. She had her whole podcast on, she was on individually and she came on as like a extra part, like a little special guest one time. But you are the first brother, you were the first ever guest in the history of Two Addicts in the Moron. Well, thank you for the opportunity. And you are the first ever return guest, full fledged shit dude. I am so excited. Yeah, me too. And I gave you a, I gave you a, I gave you a promise that last time I was like, I purposely didn't listen to any of your stuff before. I listened to all of it and now I have it all downloaded. I spread it all the way around. I appreciate it, man. So with that being said, ladies and gentlemen, I am Creechy is in the building. Yeah. Is it wrong to clap for myself now? No, no, bro. Dude, you champion yourself, bro. Champion yourself. Yeah. So, dude, what you been up to? Man, daddin' it up, dude. Yeah. My daughter's seven weeks old now. My son's three and a half. So I just been, I've kind of been focusing on that. Last year, I focused real heavy on just like being present, being a good dad. And I'm kind of just furthering down that rabbit hole of trying to be present and be a good dad. I remember my dad working a lot as a kid. So I tried to, we were talking about it earlier, just trying to find that balance between the two. Most of us do, man. Like I said, dads are the ultimate grenade jumpers on jumper honors, where you just, you're going to miss some shit. Later on, they understand why. I can tell you that for sure. But it's hard in the meantime. So what you're telling me is, now a father of two, you're just fucking tired all the time. Yeah, dude. My daughter's a party animal. It's like all day, she's like this sweet little cuddly, sleepy little baby and then at night, she's like, wow. Yeah, dude. Like damn, dude. Marty girl's like, in New Orleans, you got to get out of here with that shit. Yeah, dude. That's just everlasting tired. Like, yeah, when you become a parent, just of one, you're just tired all the time. Yeah. It changes your mindset too. Like the things you're happy about, the things that you value, you know, like I, we actually are building a house right now in Bastard. We bought some land. Congrats, dude. I know you were working on that last time. Yeah, that's a, yeah, that was the goal, right? Yeah. So now we're, now we're actually in it. We own the land and we've paid the builders. We're just waiting on everything to be finished. But like the other day, I walked into my house and it's not done yet, but like a lot of the utilities are in there. So like the fridge, the stove, all that stuff's in there. You're close. Yeah. You know, and I walked in, I look at the stove and my mom was there and she, she, I couldn't tell if she thought it was fun or not, but I was like, oh, shit, like I ain't never had a stove you couldn't cook crack on. Like it was fucking, it was a flat stove with no flame. Yeah, it was just flat, like a glass top stove. I was like, shit, man, it's pretty dope. I walk over to the fridge. I'm like, I got a fucking ice maker, dude. Like I've always wanted one of these. And it's just like, it's so wild. Like I got so excited about those little things and like, I can't remember the last time. Like, you know, it just changes. Like what's your excited about changes over a period of time? Or what pisses you off? It changes. Like then you're like, total mind shift. Some piss you off four years ago. Now having those two kids running around, it's, it might not be as important to you anymore. Yeah. I used to be a huge road rager. Like I get mad and shit. Like people just driving dumb. I'd be like, I do need an ass. Well, I might be the one to give it to them. But now it's just like, God, stupidity. And then like, like I said earlier, it's, it's crazy how much kids will help you notice like your flaws, like your character flaws. It's like, like I'll drive and somebody will do something. I'll be like, fucking idiot. And then, you know, my son's in the back like, what's an idiot? I'm like, nobody knows. Like, whoa, son of a bitch. Don't say that. It's still nothing funnier than a kid cussing. Oh my God. Say fuck or shit. Like a little baby like that. And he's like, oh man. My mom's always like, you got to get him to stop. I was like, mom, if my biggest problem is my kid saying bad words, I'm in a pretty good place. I'm in a solid place. If that's our biggest issue. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, dude, kids change everything now. That's a, I always say it's, it's God's greatest gift. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And like it, even during my addiction, like I remember I used to go to the stores and it was just for me. I'm going to go buy everything for me. Yeah. And then when I had my daughter, I started, I would still go to the same stores, but I was more in the kids section and the little girl section buying shit. And then, you know, I get to the register and I've got like one thing and she's got 10 things. She's not even with me. I get it. I just went there. And, you know, as she's getting older, like it's, I say it all the time, like I gave her life, but she saved mine. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. Like she absolutely saved my life. We, I coach her volleyball team and we won our championship Friday night. Yeah, congratulations, bro. That was a good shit. The highest I've ever been in my life. Yeah. And there was no drugs involved. It was a, we, I feel like I just did four hot rounds. Fuck. It's a, we, we played at the YMCA and we were undefeated. The other team was undefeated. Yeah. We found out afterwards that the other team was a select team that was just playing in the YMCA. They're a tournament team. Yeah. And they're really fucking good. Yeah. And, and we beat them and it was, you know, it was, it was the highest that I've ever been. Yeah. 100%. You'll get there, like coaching and shit. I feel it. My kids are already on dirt bikes. Yeah. When he does dope shit, I'm like, man, it makes me feel so good. Yeah. So good. And mainly, mainly things that like when you see things, you've taught them come out like, I always taught him when he was like a little kid that like if you fall, you get back up and you try again. And so like, I love when he'll be on his dirt bike and sometimes so like fall over and I'll have to run over there and pick him up. He's not big enough to pick up a dirt bike up yet. So I run over there, I pick up the bike. I'm like, are you good? He's like, yeah, dad, I'm okay. I think I'm going to try again. Yeah. I was like, you know, that's like the moment where it's like, boom, right in your heart. You're just like, ah, that's my boy. Yeah. It's awesome. You say it because like when I was teaching her how to play volleyball, I'd be like, I always say like when she does something where she hits it wrong, what'd you do? What'd you do? Yeah. And she'd always be like, I don't know, dad. I don't know. But now she's like, dad, I went this way. I went this way. I rushed in. It's like all the things that you teach them, they're starting to figure out. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's like, fuck yeah. And you think they're not figuring it out. And then it like comes a later day and you're like, oh, that's stuff. Yeah. That's like, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well dude, like bicycles, dirt bikes, whatever. A bike, just a bike is a good metaphor for life. Yeah. You know, like I use it all the time, but I'm like, yeah, my son, he plays baseball high level of failure in that sport. Right. So it's a lot of bumming out. And I always remind them, I'm like, man, remember when you first rode a bike without training wheels? Yeah. How bad you wanted that shit? Like that, to me, I think that's probably the earliest representation of freedom. Yeah. Like you get on your bike and you can go far. Like now I can go far away from home and do some cool shit. But you got to get to that point. And it requires a lot of scabs, a lot of bruises, a lot of bumps. And it's like, but you still keep getting on and fucking doing it. So it's like, it's a beautiful thing, man. Like get up and try it again. Do it again. You're going to fall again. Yeah. It's going to happen. Got to. Yeah. You got to get back out there. Yeah. That's what I tell him when he falls too. He's like, I'm okay. I'm like, yeah, you're all right. It might happen again. Keep trying. Yeah. Keep trying. It's going to happen again. That's kind of why I got him in Moto, dude, because Motocross is such a, it's really a self-reliant sport. It's a great community sport. Like if you went to a track and your bike broke and you needed a part, like the announcer says over the loudspeaker, like, hey, does anybody have a part and out of the, you know, a thousand people in the pits or whatever, someone will be like, oh, I can help you. But it's very much like a self sport. Like you worry about yourself, your bike, your health, your physical. And then it's like, you know, you very much learn to figure out your own problems. Like if, if you're on the track halfway around during like a big race, I'm not allowed to go out there and help. So like if he falls over, he figures out like, how can I pick this up? How can I make this faster? And it just, it teaches them to rely on themselves in like difficult situations. I feel like, and I think team sports are great as well, obviously. But, but I think some of about Moto just builds kids different, man. Yeah. I think any individual sport boxing, wrestling, like, you know, all the individual sports are pretty brutal. Yeah, they're pretty much. Yeah, they're all good. They shot put might be the least brutal individual sport like pole vaulting. Even that one, dude. Yeah. That's all that pole. Tennis is fucking tired. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's all self reliance. Right. Yeah. It's you can't blame it on anybody else. 100%. Which I think builds character. Like you, you learn, you learn, like I caused this. What'd you do? He did it. No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. I used to race a four wheelers. Okay. Back in the day. I think you mentioned that. I never got on dirt bikes. I got on one one time. And I was like, you know, the twist throttle and shit. I was like, I would kill myself on this. Yeah. And especially going through the whoops section. Yeah. Like it's, you know, doing this is so much different. But you're hitting, hitting, hitting, if you're especially if you're not used to it. Yeah. I got on the dirt bike on a dirt bike and I went around the track a few times. I was like, yeah, this, this is a wicked thing. And I thought of that. Yeah. Blitz and then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So being a dad, you're focusing. You got a music career. You're one hell of a musician. Thank you. And thank you. You know, how, how's that balance going? It's going well, man. So I'm lining up a tour in May right now. And I just I have a small circle and they make it easy to kind of flex and be available for my family, you know what I mean? Like it's nap time with my son's nap and I can go to my engineers and record and do my stuff and then go home. Just kind of be around. Yeah. And it works. But the music thing's going great. I found out the other day that when I released my album, I think it was like two months after I released it, I was number fifth, number 47 in the world in the country hip hop down. Whoa. Which was pretty crazy to find out. Right. Yeah. That's nuts. It was insane. And here lately, I've just been kind of in a weird spot because like all the I haven't I've been stocking up, right? Like I've been building an EP and an album and things like that. And the numbers have kind of just been going down because I haven't been pushing a bunch of stuff out, which is a reflection of me trying to be present for my family. So it's like, I've just been a weird spot where it's like, I'm caught between like, do I give this more of me? Or like, do I keep on the route I'm on? And I think I just kind of decided like, I started music because I had nothing. Right. Like I had nothing. I had no place to vent. I had no, I had no place to call home. I had no money in my pocket. And I never thought it was an easy meal ticket, but it was always my dream. So that's kind of the way I went. Right. And now I'm like buying a house with my wife. Yeah. And and doing all these things. So it's kind of making me not to give music a backseat, but it's kind of just made me look at it differently in the aspect of like, maybe I don't need to do certain things, you know, if they're not bringing money in or if they're not, you know, benefiting a brand or, or it's almost, it almost sounds selfish, but it's just more business oriented. You know what I mean? It's, it's not so like, you got more options now. Yeah, exactly. And I'm not so quick to lend free time. If that makes sense. It's like, you know, there comes a point in life. Some people may have hit it. Some people may not, but it's it, it just comes a point in life where it's like, your time becomes much more valuable than the money that people have to offer. Yeah. You know, so when it's like people are like, I'll pay you a thousand bucks for a show. It's like, yeah, that's tight. But like what days, you know, because if my son's got to do get to me showing up for him is more important to me, right? That thousand dollar check. Yeah, 100%. So it's, it's, it's been a, been a balancing act, like you said, but it's the music's going phenomenal. New merch. Yeah, dude. Be a blessing, shirts, hats. I got, I got a bunch of other stuff up on the website. I don't know if I had a website last time. You didn't. Yeah. Dude, shout out to my manager. I am critchy.com. I am critchy.com. I got my manager. He's been dude, phenomenal, just in the aspect of like, there's so many things that you have to do as an artist. And it's like, sometimes I forget them. Sometimes I'm just like, I'll do it later or something. But he, he always makes sure that I'm like, Hey, you want to be a professional, like be a fucking professional. Yeah. Let's do it. And he, and he stays on me about that stuff, which I feel like, especially in these times of my life, I'm so appreciative of because sometimes I'm like, you know, like I'll just, I'll do it. It's not that important. But I got to remember that it's like, if I let the dream go and then just like tell my kids like, Oh yeah, I just gave up so I could raise you. It's like, what does that tell them? You know, like you can raise your kids and chase your dream. Yeah, it's not impossible. That's what I mean. It's not impossible. They're just part of it. Yeah, exactly. It was part of it. Exactly. 100%. And so, so, yeah, he just stays on me, man, and make sure that I keep a clear head about, you know, where I'm trying to go and what I'm trying to do. It's great. I saw an interview with Willie Nelson one time and it was, it struck me kind of to the point of what you're saying, but he was being interviewed by some whoever, right? And they were like, So, well, you're getting older and this is years ago. Yeah, you're old. Yeah. And you were like, when are you going to retire? And he was like, retire? What? He's like, all I do is play guitar and play golf. You know, he's like, if I quit one, I'm just going to do more of the other. Yeah. You know, so it's, he found his balancing act. It took him how many years to get there. Yeah. To figure out the balancing act, right? But now he was in that position where it was like, do whatever I want. Yeah, I just fucking do whatever the fuck I want. Right? Like, I'm not retiring playing guitar. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I ever wanted to do. You know, you know, so it's to your point, man, when you're just adding things around your family and building on your family, yeah, I would strongly encourage you just as a fan of yours, please keep making music. I appreciate it, man. Yeah, because I actually recorded two songs today that were fire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The EP that's coming out too is, is a, is super fire. I might ruffle some feathers, but okay, just kind of speaking on the place of the world, you know, where it's at. Yeah. And kind of what I feel is like common sense of the whole thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? But yeah, you know, someone said one time, if you're not ruffling feathers, you're not doing something right. Yeah. You know, yeah. I mean, there's, there's the one thing I've learned, bro, about making music is you can never make everybody happy. No, no, no, no. You can never, and that's in life in general. Like some songs I enjoy singing and people be, oh, you sing too much. And then I'll rap, oh, you rap too much. It's like, ah, dude, just fucking do what you love to do and hope everybody. Well, this is your dream. Yeah, this is your dream is your noise, right? Like it's, you know, I've heard this stated before, but they say the dream is free. The hustle sold separately. 100%. Right. Like that, that's a different deal over there. So yeah, if it's your noise, your music, then fuck them. Like, you know, that's all there is to it. So about, I don't know, I listened to some of your songs. Yeah. And I'm like, I have no idea how this man is not like on the top 40 charts. Like I could easily hear it. You know, if they take out Creechy and put fucking Justin Bieber on it, you know, I'm like, dude, this is a number one hit. I like undoubtedly one that stands out. And it's not maybe one of my favorite songs of yours. It's I love it, but it's a small town. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like I could totally hear that just on like 96, seven, you know, like being played. And so I mean, what's your process like when you're fucking making music, dude? Like writing loss, like where do I start? Man, it's so funny. It kind of, it kind of always comes off a feeling like, like the other day I was in the shower, like for the songs I recorded today. So the other day I was in the shower, and I'm like in the shower and, and, and I'm like thinking trying to think of like beats I've heard or something I might like to try to like put something together in my head. And then the thought popped into my head. It was like, I don't need the beat to do too much. Give me some words that'll move my soul. Okay. You know what I mean? And I was like, oh wait, wait, I was like, that's it. That's a song. Yeah. So I was like, I was like, man, bring your phone in here. Yeah, get in here. It's like, right this is never a thing. So she'll like stand outside the shower and like right down the course for me. I'm like, all right, drying off. Yeah. I'm like, all right, man, that's all I needed. Thank you. And then she'll send it to me and I'll get out of the shower and just kind of continue on that vibe. Let me make sure this isn't my son. Oh, this is my son. Should I answer this? My son? Yeah, dude. Yeah, let's hear it. That's my guy. What are you doing? Hey, bud. What are you doing? Hey, bud. What are you doing? Hey, bud. I'm at a podcast. What are you doing? I'm at a podcast. Yeah, buddy. I'm at a podcast right now. Can I call you when I leave? Okay, maybe in a little bit. All right. All right, talk to mommy. All right, I love you. I love you. He's so funny. There's no amount of drugs that can give you that. No, no, no, no. Even though you can see the smile on my face. I'm over here. I've got tears coming out my eyes. Yeah. Because I remember when Katelyn was that small. Yeah. And it made me think, you know how Facebook has the memories pop up, right? And I watch those little videos and I'm like, man, it was just yesterday that she was three and four and five. And now she's almost 10. And she hits me with knowledge that I'm like, I don't even understand what she's even telling me sometimes. I have to Google shit to see if like, is that right? And I Google it and I'm like, holy shit, like, I didn't know that, Katelyn. You know, it's insane. But yeah, there's nothing better than that right there. Yeah, well, and then like today, my baby girl, 23. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Ryan. Happy birthday, yeah. Man, I remember her being that age and calling me and fucking, hi. It just blows my mind and kind of it almost pulls our strings, man. It just blows my mind. Not almost. No, it does. It's great. It does. But it just blows my mind that it's like that he, like all the times that I've seen myself in so many different lights throughout my life, right? Like addiction, you just see yourself as like a broken piece of shit. Yeah. And it's like in recovery, early recovery, or like I still feel like a piece of shit, but like I'm getting a little better. Yeah. And then like, you know, I'm like six years in and it's like sometimes, like very rarely, but sometimes I still feel like I do things like a piece of shit. But you know, it's better. And then it's like, you think of how they look at you. Yeah. It's like you're his fucking hero. Yeah. Like you could do no wrong. Like and dude, that alone to me is so powerful. Bro. And it doesn't go away. That that will never change for any of our kids. We've done anything right. Right. Yeah. And it's the like my son plays baseball, right? Like he'll come off the field and he'll want to know if I saw him. Yeah. You see me do that. And he's 16. Like I'm the least cool guy to him on the world right now. But he still wants that, you know, he wants that approval, that appreciation. And that, yeah, he wants to know it. And it's not even about him doing something dope for himself. I think he's just like, Hey, grandpa, see that, you know, he wants to know that, that we're all they're watching. That shouldn't ain't going to change for the rest of your life. It's the best feeling, man. Yeah. And that's why like people ask me like, Oh, why are you not dropping music every week or a video and a song every month? And it's like, man, I've just kind of, I've rearranged my time. Like I'm not, I'm not in the studio every single week. You know, I shoot videos when I can. It's like, I just, I'm in a place where I put my family first and I'm trying to navigate the other time to make the most of it with music. You know what I mean? Well, the I can already tell just your album and a lot of the stuff that you've put out there. It's like the music's not going to stop writing itself. It's just you, it comes, you've just gained more data to add to the music. Right? Like I guess I'm not a musician. I don't know. But when you have a mind that operates like yours, that's music and you're in a shower and you're fucking starting to sing something. And it's like, it's only a matter of time before you're playing with your kid. And then you start, or he says something and you're like, ah, yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. I mean, I talk about my music all the time. I haven't, I mean, he's three, so I don't expect him to throw musical inspiration yet. But he's, like the moments are what are inspiring. Yeah. So it doesn't even have to be anything he says, I guess. It's just more so the moments. And even the bad moments, like even like I put something in a song the other day, I was like, I said, I was, I forgot what came before. But I literally put in a song. I was like, I was happy, had kids and I'm feeling like shit. Try to be a good dad, but get frustrated. I'll forget that he's three while he's testing my patience. And it's like, those moments are where, like, I feel like it's like, damn, like notice your flaws, you know what I mean? When you get frustrated with your kids and you may say something that you're like, damn, I probably shouldn't have said that. Or like, damn, I probably shouldn't have done that. You know what I mean? Now, my, my Oh God. So, so my mom's dog is staying with us because my mom's staying with us. We're all moving into the bigger house we bought. So her dog's there and her dog has this like ear piercing bark. Yeah. Like just screech of a bark, like, man, it drives me crazy. And so one time I was sleeping and her dog started barking at something. And I go out and I look and nothing's there. And I'm like, would you stop it? You bitch. Yeah. I literally, and so I didn't think nothing of it. My son was in bed. I didn't think nothing of it. I was like, you bitch, stop it. And then so like the next day, we're sitting out in the living room and, and the dog comes out and like barks at my son because he's playing with like his little Nerf gun or something. And he looks at the dog and he says, you bitch, stop it. My mom was sitting right there. My wife's sitting right there. And I just like I cover my face and my mom's like, I know where you got that from. I was like, yeah, me too. He should have been asleep. Yeah, dude, they're always listening. They're always, they're always there. I had to stop playing Call of Duty. I swear, I get toxic on that. Bro. Yeah. I get toxic. I start saying some shit on there. The next thing I know, he's repeating it. I'm like, no. Yeah. I'm done playing this game. We're all done. Yeah, man. That's something I learned in recovery, really. Like, you know, when you, when you step outside yourself, like this, the self that you used to be, and you catch it now. Yeah. And it's like, you almost feel instant remorse. Yeah. It's like, fuck, like, I don't want to be that person anymore. 100%. And we're, you know, in during, during my addiction, I'm yelling and fucking cussing all the time. 100%. But now, like when I lose my patience with my daughter, I have to check myself and tell her, hey, I'm sorry, I shouldn't lose my patience. And it really does. It affects me. Yeah. Like, like, I told her the other day, I probably shouldn't say this on podcast, but I told her, I'm gonna. This is definitely making the cut. Yeah. She was, she told me she hated me, right? Yeah. And she's done this about two or three times. Yeah. And the first time she did, man, it, it fucked with me. Like, I cried. Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, this is why I hate you. And, and I was like, I will, I will let your hamster go outside right now. Keep talking shit. And then I walked away and then she's like, you threatened to kill my hamster. Say I was gonna kill it. I was gonna let it go. And but yeah, he was, he wasn't gonna make it far. Yeah. And she's like, no, you were gonna kill my hamster. And I was like, Kailin. But like, when, when I get outside of myself, I'm like, I got to reel it back in because I got to remember she's nine. Absolutely. And I'm the adult. That's what I mean by you for like, you forget their age when they're like, my son, like he, he peed on his floor one time. Like, he, he like started peeing in his bed and I guess got up real fast because he knew not to pee in his bed. And he like started peeing on the floor. And I like walking, I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah. I'm first. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, you don't. And I'm like, Loki yelling. And then like, he goes to the bathroom and he's peeing in the toilet. And he's like, it was an accident, daddy. Oh, man. Yeah. I got you. I was like, buddy, I'm sorry. You know, you had an accident. Like, it's not, it's not anything to be ashamed of. Like, and you got to like, you know, that's the growth, man. You got to, you got to, we're so used to being men in the aspect of like, being around other men, working around other men. And it's like, when they fuck up, it's like, Hey, get your shit together, dumbass. Like, come on, fall in line. And when your kid fucks up, you just can't do that. You got to, there's a softer side you got to get in touch with. And that's, that was like the most difficult thing for me. Even my, my son's three and a half now. And I'm still like, I still struggle with that shit. Yeah. My wife's like, but Tyler, like, I had to learn how to do that, especially coaching her volleyball. Oh, I guarantee it. Because it's all girl, we have one boy on our team, but it's all little girl. It's eight, nine year old girls. And two seasons ago, I was being verbal. And then one of the girls on the court, she started crying. And I was like, Oh, shit, did I make her cry? Like, I was worried. Like, because if you make my daughter cry, like, we're gonna have a fucking problem. Yeah. Yeah. So I went over and I was like, low key, I was like, Hey, so are you okay? And it was, she was like, No, coach, it wasn't you. I just, she made a few bad plays. Yeah. So I was like, and then I told myself right there, like, I need to bring my competitiveness down a little bit. And remember it's for them. Remember it's for them. It's not, I'm not out here. Like if it's like what you said, if I'm out here with grown men, bro, I'm telling you, like when you fucked up, like, come on, bro, get your shit together, man. Deep screaming out of our stomach. Yeah. You know, and, but yeah, with, with the, with the kids, I've got to like tone it down a little bit. I've got to make sure, you know, that I, that I deliver the message, but I deliver it in a way that someone needs to deliver it to my daughter. Yeah. People always used to tell me as a kid, like, because I would always get in trouble for like him, some board nation and saying shit, and they would always be like, it's not what you said. It's how you said it. Yeah. You know, and that like literally as a kid, it was, that was always what teachers told me, what people told me. And so like years later, like probably 20 years after that, 15 at least, I'm like just now figuring out that like it's all in how you say. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You can get your point across any way that you want to do it. Right. And usually the first reaction when you get upset or boiled over about something, it's, you probably need to take a step back and go from it. No emotional response is a good one. I've learned that. No, no emotional response is a good one. Like if you're in your emotion, that's the worst time to make. Have you ever, obviously you have, but like arguing with, you know, your significant other women, they're emotional beings. Like women are just kind of wired that way. Yeah. So it's like when you, sometimes my wife, I know when I like, me and her get to fuss it back and forth, it's like, she's not even listening to listen. She's like listening because she has something to say afterwards. Right. You know what I mean? And it's coming from a place of emotion. Right. And so like we, we've honestly even been like counseling and other stuff to figure out like how to not so much give emotional responses, but more so explain what our emotions are at the time. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's smart. Yes. And it helps a ton, you know, because it's like when you're irritated with somebody, you can say some shit that I'll really dig into them and not mean it. You know, oh, especially if you hurt my feelings, you know, I'm fucking coming back with the fire. You know, you know, I'm coming back with some shit that it's, I'm going to have to, yeah, I'm going lower. Yeah. I'm coming with, tell her punching each other in the toes. We're all human. Yeah. Right. Like we're all human and we're going to fuck up and we're going to say the wrong shit. Yeah. Your sister was better than you bitch. Yeah. So back to here. But you know, sometimes when I don't respond, that pisses her off even more. Yeah. Because like I'm the kind of person like when I'm pissed, just leave me be. Yeah. I'm the same. But women on most of the women I've ever been around, they want to fucking talk about it right now. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. Yeah. So they're all like that. Yeah. She'll be bumping, bumping, bumping. I'm like, okay. All right. Cool. And she's like, well, you know, I have fucking nothing to say. No, because what I want to say, you're not going to want to hear. Yeah. You don't want to hear what I'm about to say. It's not time for me to tell you. Just keep going. Bro, that, that Mars and Venus thing is real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different planet. My wife's got an understanding now where it's like, when I, when I just say, can you please just stop? Like if I ask you to just please stop, just leave me alone. Let's revisit it. And like I try to bring a rule into my house where it's like, wait, like wait to talk about it. Wait till that night. Wait till later that week. Wait for a good time. And if it's still, if it's important to you, it'll, it'll be in your head then. Yeah. And like our load of arguments has dropped. Yeah. Like plummeted. Because you forgot about what it was. If you let it alone. It's not that, it's not that fucking important. You're just emotional about it at the time, whether it be me or her, like there's a motion involved. And so it turns into like a big thing when it's like, if we just wait, you know, a day or a week or whatever long, it's like, we wouldn't even be fucking thinking about it. We'd be on to the next thing. And like, dude, when I say our arguments have gone down, I mean, just like drastically, like it's not even, it's, it's almost an anomaly to hear us argue now because it's like, we don't, it's like, like a deep breath and just like, we'll talk about it later type of thing. And the kids are always around. You don't want to argue in front of the kids. That's like the worst form. So it's like, man, when that happens now, we just step back to nine out of like nine and a half times. You know what I'm saying? It's very rare that you feel like revisit something. It just, it kind of goes away and fixes itself for like, well, you know, something will happen and then it'll be like, see, like you didn't even need to bitch about that. If you think about some of the arguments you've had and you revisit it now, it's like, again, that was fucking stupid. Yeah, dumb. Like we argued about how many carbs was in a piece of bread. You know, like we literally fought about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm big on like the, like the bioengineered food stuff now. Like I won't buy any of that. And we'll, we'll like, she'll bring stuff home all the time and I'm like, stop buying that shit. Yeah. Stop buying it. Like it's terrible for you. Stop buying that shit. And, and now it's just gotten to the point where like, she won't even, she's like, I knew you were going to say that. Like throw it away or something. Like, man, dude, you got to, you got to care about it. You know, gotta care about your health, dude. She's just like, I just want some chocolate covered pretzels. Yeah. And this coming from the guys that just ate pizza and peach cobblers and shit. Yeah. I also, you know, like glass bottle coat. Hey, nothing but the best. They don't have high fruit test coins here to be fair. You know, I don't know what the name of that shit is. Dude, the high fruit, man, I could go down wormholes about all the stuff that they put in our food these days. Oh yeah, dude. It's wild. So look, so I'd talk to, I'd talk to people about this all the time. Like, and this is way off topic, but you know how like when I was in school, how old are you? 30. 30. Okay. So I'm 44. Okay. When I was in school, you had all the kids, and then you had like a small group of special ed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, now you have, we didn't have autistic kids back then. That wasn't even a word. I don't think. Yeah. Like we, it was, that wasn't even a word. I don't even know if it was a word. It was. But it was just a linger. But now you have so many kids that are autistic. Yeah. And like a big number of them, right? Yeah. Because Destiny worked at a place that that's all that they did was they had kids that came into her school that were autistic. Yeah. And I don't know if it's the stuff that they put in food. I don't know if it's the vaccines that they give these kids. Yeah. I have a friend that she swears that her son never was autistic until he got vaccinated to go to school. And then all of a sudden, his speech and shit just went, just went. So I think there's definitely something there because when I was growing up, there was no such thing as, yeah, he's autistic. He can't talk. 100%. 100%. No, no, that wasn't a thing. The worst I knew of was like they had speech class for kids with speech and pet advice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. Yeah. But now you have schools that are only for kids that have autism. 100%. Yeah, it's insane. It is. Well, it's necessary. No. I didn't vaccinate my daughter. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything with my son. And I mean, they're advanced. When you take them around other kids, and I'm not saying it is that, I'm just saying I notice. When my kids go around groups of other kids, there's no three year olds putting together like full sentences, like clarity of speech. You know what I mean? Like I'm sure there is, but just not the people that I've been around. We're riding a dirt bike. Yeah. I mean, dude, that's hard. And he gets it. Yeah, dude. I've seen little videos. That kid will fly into a turn so fast to the point where even like, I'm clenching. I'm like, shit, this might go bad. And he'll just like fly into the turn and just kind of let the back end slide out and just do this until he catches the right speed. And then he'll just flow through the turn. And I'm like, like it blows my mind because that's not something you teach. Like I can't be on the back of the bike when you're entering a turn at 20 and be like, Hey, it's going to slide out a little like a counter steer. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and he just like fakers it out. And I'm like, dude, he gets it. Yeah. Something about something about that that he gets, which is crazy because I wanted to race promote across. That was my dream as a kid. My dad would never let me on a bike. I didn't start racing until I was like 15, 16. And so it was like, you know, I left a bike in my kid's room when he was one, like just a little walk, walk on bike. And dude, he was riding that thing before he could walk on his own. And it's just like he, he gets it. Yeah. He gets the concept. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, it's pretty dope. So the balancing act, getting back to that. Yeah. And all this shit that you've got going on in addition now to being a dad, do you have you noticed a difference or a change in your songwriting since having kids? 100%. I used to talk a lot about, you know, like the old life, the old things I used to do. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that too, but talk about this first. Yeah. So I used to talk a lot about like the older stuff I used to do and and like the emotion that came from it, like the growth that I've seen since then. And I think really like once my kids started singing my songs, yeah, that's gotta be why is when I was like, and the crazy thing is like, sometimes we'll be in the car and he'll want to hear it. And he's like, Oh, I want this. He'll say like the name. He's like, I want, I got to grow. I want no time. I want running a lot. Yeah. And, and those are all great songs for him to listen to. But like, some of the older stuff, I fear that like, he'll get into that and think that's, you know, the way, but I love the fact that he'll be able to see growth. Like, like the songs that I put out in the beginning of a recovery, we're not at all like the album that you probably listen to. Yeah. Back right. And then like the songs that I'm recording right now are like growth from that album. So it's just been like constant growth. And really, I don't focus on it. It's almost like subliminally, it just kind of happens where I'm like writing this music and realizing it's like, damn, I didn't cuss like the whole song. Yeah, like, damn, I didn't, I didn't say anything that was like, too crazy the whole song. And I think it's kind of helped in the aspect of simplifying things. Like I try to write lyrics that like are understandable. Like I'm, I used to write a lot of things that would like just go over people's, you know what I mean? Like for instance, I have this one verse where it's like, count the O's. It's like, I came out the womb spitting COVID, double cup look stupid when you hold it, put that shit up in a hostel when you told it, stop missing the target when you blow it, scared than a bitch, not fully focused. I'd be on that shit, but don't let him know it. Cretce and him and just drank a potion and sent back in on the fucking coldest. You don't got to tell me you bet I know it. I've been too humble. It's time to show it. That's a whole lot of O's how I float a bow in whole P in that verse case you didn't notice. So like I said 16 O's then I was like, whole lot of O's how I float a bow in like talking about a pound whole P in that verse. Yeah, she didn't notice. There was 16 O's and it's like that probably was just like, yeah, yeah. And like stuff like that, I just, I don't write as much anymore. Cause it's more like I want to be at a point where it's like, you know, if they're 12 and want to listen to my music, you like give them, give them like a point something they can understand. Cause it's like, when did music really save your life? It wasn't, you know, it's not when you're 25. It's like, it's usually between the ages of like 13 and like 16. And it's like, that's when like music is like hitting you the hardest, you're feeling everything. You know, so. Well, it can also be negative towards you too. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, like you see a lot of these kids that are gang bangers or a lot of these rappers now talk about, you know, shooting and killing and fucking, you know, dope smoking and fentanyl and all this bullshit. Yeah. And people want to be like the people they look up to, you know, like I know during my addiction, I loved Kevin Gates, Kevin Gates, Kevin Gates songs just, they just sang, they sung to me. Like I was like, shit, he gets it. Right. That's how I felt. Like, damn, he understands. Yeah. He, we could be best friends. Yeah. And, um, and when I listen to his songs now, I still like some of his songs. Yeah. But they don't hit me the same way because I've changed from how I used to feel. Not that, not that his music sucks because it doesn't. No, it's fire. Yeah. Yeah. But I've changed the way that I feel inside and I don't feel like people are after me or fucking, you know what I'm saying? Like, and, but then it was like always looking over my shoulder and telling you my father's always coming, you know, yeah. But, um, man, I, the song that I liked the most of yours is deep thoughts. Oh, I know that you said when I told you that before, you were like, it's not one of my, it's, um, it's so deep. I don't like to listen to it. If that's right. Yeah. Like I remember the place I was in when I wrote that song. It might have been way too personal, you know, like, there was like tears involved. Yeah. Like some heavy shit involved where I was like, just right. And I remember course and then I was like, I just keep, just like keep writing. Yeah. Just keep writing. I think anybody coming out of what we went through, especially like I was never homeless, but if you were ever homeless and you were, I think somebody in early recovery that listens to that song could fucking really like it will really open up some eyes to who you were and how far you've came. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because like you're talking about eating food off the floor and shit and fucking, you know, and I'm most people, if you got deep in your addiction, you've done that somewhere along the way. Right. A lot of people's been homeless. A lot of people, you know, and that's one of my favorite songs and I like waiting, waiting to breathe. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I like your part better. Oh, the second verse. Yeah. I like your verse better. Yeah. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, that casky verse was a, that was a full circle moment for me. I used to listen to that guy's music when I needed saving. Oh, he's fire. His verse is great. But I, I like yours better because I relate better to it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That second verse got pretty deep. Yeah. I relate. That whole song is pretty deep. Yeah, that whole song. And I'm a big casky fan too. Yeah. And I like casky a lot. Was he cool as fuck? Oh dude. One of the most grounded. It almost was odd to be around him because you almost expect him to be, I guess, a little more big headed in the way, right? Yeah. You almost expect that because it's like, look at what you've accomplished. Yeah. Holy shit. And he was not at all like that, bro. Like his manager was like helping my wife learn things on the iPhone to take better videos for me. Oh, no shit. Like, yeah, like casky was like giving me like inside tips for like getting better music and like what's important, what's not important, like don't let this fool you don't like dude. And then like I did a show with him in San Antonio, parked around back of the building, like met him, it was hugs, it was like, what's up, bro? Like love how you been? Yeah. Like he's, he's, you can tell he's on a mission. Like he's not like, we're not gonna, you know, take time out of both our day to meet somewhere for dinner, that type of friends. But like if we bump into each other every single time, it's been like all love. Yeah. And dude, just a extremely dope human being, like not even just as an artist, like as a human being, just a good dude, that is a good guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I watched a few interviews with him. And I went down, you know, I'm a big Yellow Wolf fan too. So that been a problem song. Yeah. Dude, I love that shit all the time. I'm like, I love that fucking song. It's so cool. So you would have considered yourself like a recovery artist? When you, I think Casey Music said that best man, he was like, I'm not a recovery rapper. I'm just a rapper that happens to wrap in recovery. Okay. You know, so it's like, I don't think music was a part of my life way before recovery. Like you can go on SoundCloud and look up County Boy Critchie. Yeah. And there's like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. I live in the county. Yeah. That's what they all call me county. They all call me county. Like when I would go up in the city and they all call me county. So it kind of stuck. But yeah, like music has been a part of my life since literally second grade. I remember the first song I wrote to this day. It was a homework assignment to write a poem. Okay. And I like wrote two pages like literally full side of one paper flipped it over filled up the entire other side. And it was like a song. And I remember it being about like skipping school, going to the pool and something else. But it was like second grade. Yeah. And, and so no, music's been a part of my life. Long before recovery was I think it just I think recovery gave me the ability to truly get in touch with my music. If that makes sense. I think you and you just had a probably a lot of shit to get off of your chest. Yeah, when you're like getting yeah, when you're getting high and making music, it's like you're rapping about fucking getting high and making music. You're not like, Oh, I just robbed homie last week on Tuesday. Yeah, and I feel bad about it. You know, you're not talking about any of that. Like you might subliminally say something like that. I was never dumb enough to incriminate myself from my own music. But I mean, yeah, that's a fucking thing now. Yeah. Wow. God damn. And then you hear new songs and come out and it's like he definitely didn't do that because if he did, he wouldn't fucking be saying it. You know what I mean? Yeah. But no, I it it's always been in my life. I think, like I said, recovery just just gave me the freedom to really get in touch with what I was trying to say or or made to say bless to say, you know what I mean? So I think that was kind of it. Man, it's some of the coolest shit. I can't say it enough. I tell everybody about you anytime I get an opportunity to because I really think that it speaks to the masses and to your point about, you know, growing, having kids. Yeah. The band that I'm thinking of and not to compare you, it's a different genre altogether, but I'm a little bit of a metalhead too. Big metalhead really. I got into hip hop a little bit later in life, but Metallica. Oh, yeah. So firebrand, you know, if if you go back to listen to their first album, Kill them all like, yeah, they're fucking hungry dogs on the street that are just, I mean, they're everything's ripping. Everything's fast. And then target. Yeah. And the next album, fast, the next album, fast. Yeah. The next album, you start seeing some slower shit happen. And I remember like a lot of the metalheads would be like, they're starting to sell out. Yeah. Because now they're big, right? Now they're starting to do arenas and it used to be my fucking band. And like, you need to play my city seven times a year. Was that a hit? I was so young, like, you know, like I didn't know. So I would just kind of in line with what so I was like, yeah, it's just cool to say that. But then as I got older and you know, you hear that song and nothing else matters. And it's just all slow. And you're like, this is bullshit. This isn't Metallica. But then now I'm a 40 year old man. And I'm like, of course, dude, they all got old. They all started having kids. They all got married. They have they yeah, dude, it's not just fucking I'm going to kill them all all the time. Right? Like, it's hard to do. It is. It is. Because I used to what you just said, I've never thought about it. Lincoln Park was my favorite band. I love them. They're great. Their first few CDs. Fucking every song was fire. Yeah. And then when they started getting a little bit bigger, they started changing a little bit the way that they play. And I always thought this way, they're not the fucking same. They change. Yeah. And I've never thought about it. No, they just got older. And they probably got wiser. Yeah. They fucking had kids. And fucking it wasn't all fucking just different perspectives. It almost makes it to where you you're like not willing to speak on some shit. You know what I mean? Like you're like you're not like I think of bars all the time where I'm like, damn, that'd be perfect. But then I'm like, what I want my kid to hear that, you know, what I what I want. Like do I want to hear that again? Like it's funny in the moment. Yeah. But it's just like one of those things where you you realize that there's more to it than you know, you know, Brian Welch from corn, you know, corn. I do. Yeah. Brian Welch, he was their bass guitar. He might still be guitar player. Oh, he wasn't a bass lead guitar. Oh, was he? So he was he was a meth addict. He wrote a book about it. The first book I ever read. And this was when I had tried meth, but I wasn't an addict. Yeah. But he wrote a he wrote his book in in his book, it said the part that got him sober. I don't know if he's still sober. Hopefully, hopefully, Brian, if you are come on. If you're not fucking come on. He is. But he had walked away from corn when they signed a $25 million contract. Because of his little girl, he had gotten custody of his little girl, because her mom ran off and whatever. Yeah. But he was doing so much meth that whenever they would go on tour, he would just get high. He would show up and play and then he would sleep. And when they'd get off tour, he would literally sleep for like two weeks, he said he would wake up and piss, and then go back to sleep. Well, as he's coming through coming out of one of his fucking binges or binges, his little girl was singing a song. And he's like, I know that and she was like four or five. And he's like, I know that song. How could I know that song? And it was all day I dream about sex. Oh, God. She's going around the house singing all day. I dream about sex and all day. And he said, that was the part where he said, I need to change something. Yeah. Because my little girl, maybe she was like three or four, but that's what she was singing. Yeah. And he has full custody of her. And that was what got him to say, you know what, I got to make a stop. And he had one of his buddies come to his house. And this is before I didn't know that there was different types of meth, like different batches. I just thought it was all one batch, right? Yeah, me too. He said that when his buddy came to his house and they cleaned his closet out, because he said, I couldn't do it myself because there's no way I would have threw shit away. Yeah. They found so much meth in his closet, like in pockets and fucking hidden in boxes and this and that. And he they showed a picture in his book of all the different meth that they found. And there was like yellow meth and this myth and it was all different batches. And he had gotten so used to certain meth that he would have to change the different batches that he was doing. Otherwise, it wouldn't get him high anymore. Oh my God. Yeah. But he said when his buddy walked in his closet, he said his buddy cried because he you could smell the meth in the closet. And he didn't know it was that bad for him. He just cried and said, man, I didn't know it was that bad for you. Yeah. They were all pretty bad. Yeah. Like I think I don't know this for sure, but I'm almost positive they're all sober now. Oh, but they were all on it. Yeah. He might have been almost every 90, 80, 90s rock band was probably well, you think about those touring schedules, man. Like, I mean, they were fucking brutal, dude. Like, yeah, I mean, you just I've been on tour for two weeks. I can't imagine. Yeah, six months. Yeah, dude, all over the country. That's what I mean in Canada and fucking here. That's what I mean. Then you go a world tour. Yeah. Like then like Metallica, I think they did and you got to bring it every day. Like, yeah, that band, you can't just show up and just yeah. Now you got to fucking bring the fire. Yeah. For the for the black album, their biggest album ever, one of the biggest albums ever made in rock. They said I think they said that they toured like 300 days out of the year. Like just locally and abroad like in multiple times. Like, because it was just the machine was too big. They were like, they had to keep feeding it. People wanted to keep seeing it. So they were like, we only live once, right? But they were all fucked up. I mean, during that time, they were drinking and doing all kinds of crazy shit. Back then they got paid based off of records and shit too, right? Yeah. Yeah. You had a physically sell. Yeah. Like that. That had to be like fucking so much more. Because now you can just get on YouTube. It was a shitload of more money. I think. No, it was like I did. I did half a million streams on an album and probably made like 1300 bucks. Yeah. 100 bucks off of just, you know, half a million streams. That's just a distribution side. That doesn't include publishing and all that. But like, you know, the gist of it is like, you're not making much off a stream in these days. You're making it off like brand endorsements, shows, sponsorships, stuff like that. And touring. Like touring. Yeah. You got a touring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Merch it shows is usually one of the top earners. We need to start going to the sober events and selling our merch. Yeah. Right. To accent more on absolutely. Yeah. Y'all are becoming pretty popular, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's grown a lot since the last time I was on here. Bro. That's for sure. When I get recognized out in public, it's so awkward to me. No, it's not. You fucking love it. This motherfucker loves it. Don't let him shut the fuck up, man. First of all, this motherfucker loves it. He fucking digs it so bad. My first few words is always thank you so much for watching because I don't know what else to say. Right. And what? That's normally what it is. Thank you so much for watching. Then I'll ask like, what's your favorite episode or whatever, whatever, whatever. And he's waiting to say something. What? You get so bricked up anytime somebody. I do get excited after the fact. You're gonna get so hard. Man or woman comes up to you. Especially you. You're like, yes. Dude, from the moment we started doing this, you were like, I want to be recognized. I want a Wikipedia page. Like, yeah. Who doesn't? Right. Right. I did want a Wikipedia page. I want so I look, this is, I wanted someone when they go to Vidar, Texas, and hit Wikipedia for my hometown that it says notable residents. I want my name on that motherfucker. I've always wanted that. You know, what's funny is we went to a hockey game after Kaylin won her volleyball tournament and you know how they do the kiss cam? Are they, you know, they, they have the cams and Kaylin looked at me and she was dead fucking serious. She said, dad, how come they're not putting the camera on the celebrity? I said, who the fuck's the celebrity here? She said, you. And I was like, I'm not a celebrity. She said, y'all have 100,000 followers. Yeah. And I was like, and I thought it was 100k on all platforms. On all of them. Like across some malls. Still. Yeah. It's pretty big. Yeah. But it's like, for her, that's like, her dad is really, you know, it's like what you said earlier, you're his hero. Yeah. That's only going to grow. Yeah. And like, you know, that's what her mom used to always tell me during my addiction. And when I went to get, when I went to get help, she said, Mike, you have to understand that you are her superhero. Yeah. Like no matter what I do, as a mom, she's always going to be dad number one. Right. And I know that her might probably suck saying that. But like daddy's girl, that's a real thing. Right. And one thing that she told me when I was, when I was going to rehab, as she said, you know, if something happens to you, like if you don't fix this and you die, she'll never overcome that. And that's the one thing that I really thought about was like, I'd miss her graduation. I'd miss coaching her teams. Yeah. Someone else will walk her down the aisle. Yeah. Like those are things that in my addiction, I've never thought about that. Like that, you know, I'm the most selfish addict out there, even though I give money to homeless people, I'm the most, I'm not selfish at all. I didn't give them a cap of dope. I already got 60. Yeah, I'm not selfish at all. But in my addiction, I'm the most selfish addict out there. Like the most important, the most important name in the, the most important word in the English dictionary is Mike. Yeah. Right. And but I never thought about those things. And when she said that the other day, I was like, count them. And she's like, no, dad, like dad, y'all are, but in her mind, it's such a big deal. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I mean, so my son 16 in high school, he told the high school about it, right? So he had like a couple of the boys came up after they were like, so the podcast, you guys are doing really good. We see it all the time. I'm like, you fucking see us. Oh God, you're watching that? I was like, I'm talking about digging on my ass the other day. I'm like, I'm talking about a shit dope and their fucking neck and shit. Like I'm getting high my eyeball. I'm like, uh, I guess it's okay. Like it's yeah, I think the worst thing you can do to kids personal opinion here is it's hard, hard shit. Yeah. Well, look, dude, we're on the fucking internet. It's like, I'm not hiding anything. We're not hiding. Well, that's the crazy thing about the internet. It's like, if you hide it, they're going to find it there. You know what I mean? And you don't want them to find it there with no context, with no like explanation before finding it, you know? Yeah. And I mean, I'm very proud of this. I'm very proud of us, very proud of you. And it's you putting stuff down in song form, us putting this out there, us being fathers. We're like, this is something, if something happens, it was God forbid, they're going to have this to go back and like revisit. Like, you know, so it's, I've thought about that a few times and I think that's a, that's a pretty dope thing. It's a huge one. Yeah. That's why I put my family in my videos, like my mom, my wife, my son, my daughter hasn't had the chance yet. Yeah. Yeah. She's going to get there. And it's, it's just like, I do that with all of it because it's like, you know, what do you want them to remember? And it's like, you can give them things to remember, or you can kind of leave it up to them. And it's like, I just choose to give them things to remember. Yeah. Yeah, they have an archive. Yeah. That's all we have when we're gone. 100%. 100%. People are going to remember you based off of like, memories you left. Yeah. And that can be good or bad. Yeah. You can leave some fucking shitty memories to 100%. Yeah. In our house, we, we, we kind of started doing this thing where it's like, we won't buy gifts. Like for holidays, like for Christmas or birthdays, we won't buy gifts. We'll do something. You know what I mean? Like I think last year for my son's birthday, we went and did Alpine coasters. Okay. You ever heard of those? The, it's like a roller coaster that is just like on a track. You control the brakes and how fast you're going. I know shit. Where's that at? It's, man, I want to say it's in B cave. There's a few like, I think in Fredericksburg, there might be some. Did they go fast? Yeah. I want to say you get up to about 35. That's fine. But it's, there's some sharp little turns. It's pretty fun. But I took my son and, and went to that dude and to this day, like even, you know, a year later, he's still like, dad, that was so fun when we went down the hill in the little cart thing. Yeah. Cause it's pretty cool. It's like you sit in this thing, kind of like a bobsled and then they have a little seat right in between you. So your kid like right in between your legs. And it was, it was perfect dude. Yeah. And it was, it's just like stuff like that. I feel like it's, it's you're investing in their memories. You know what I mean? Rather than like, here's this toy, you'll play with this for two weeks and then be like, dad, can I have a new toy or like break it or whatever. You know, it's like that memory will be there for as long as he can remember it. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And that's not in his backyard. Exactly. Right. Like if I'm sure the kid who has one of those in his backyard, probably fucking hates it after two weeks. You know, like, it's like a pool. Like remember, I don't know why, but I always associated like ultimate richness with a pool, with a pool and a pool table. Like as just a kid, it was like, you have a fucking pool. Holy shit. We had an above ground pool and I would never tell people we had an above ground pool because I was like, it's not built in. Yeah. But my parents have a pool and we never go in the motherfucker. It's like, it's not built in. It's like, I remember, I always wanted a remote control car when I was a kid. Like the fucking, but we could never afford the ones without the wires. Right. So yeah, I always had the fucking one that had the four foot wire that you had to walk around the house with. Yeah. But yeah, we never, I was never able to get the one that went 60 miles per hour and you just fucking put it on and go. Now we didn't have that kind of money. So I had to follow mine around. Yeah. You know, and they, they would always box them up where it looks like there's not a cord. Yeah, I know. It's got the remote and then it's got the car and it's like, holy shit. And then you open and there's a fucking cord. Yeah. They always make the cord like in the cardboard. Like the guitar in the car where the cord will be wrapped on there. Then you pull it out like, yeah. It's funny because I tell Kailin stories like whenever we used to get to remember the GI Joe, like you had the big plane or the big helicopter and it showed all these fucking figures on there. But really only one man came with the one. Yeah. Right. You got this big helicopter with one person. Like you can buy the other 16. Yeah. Yeah. 16. And but Kailin always tells me like, I told her that story when she was like three. Yeah. And she'll, dad, dad, when you as a kid, did it always make you mad whenever you'd get the toys and it only had one person or when the cord, she remembers that shit. Yeah. Fucking six years later. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Kids memories are wild. It's insane. Bro. My kid remembers me. I had a drift RC drift car because I was the same way as you as a kid. Like I wanted RC cars. I grew up, had the money, I bought them shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I got a couple of them. So I got like one of the little drift cars. I still have never had one. Dude, I'll bring you one. I'll bring you one for your birthday. I swear. I got some of my garage, but I had like a little drift car and so we would go up to my wife's office because you're supposed to drive on like carpet or on the hard floor. And I literally would just like set him on his hands and knees. He was still crawling and I would just like drift around and he got the biggest kick out of that. I thought it was so funny. And to this day, like this was almost before like he could say a few words like dad, mom, stuff, but like to this day, he'd be like, dad, can we go to the office and you drive around me with the car? Yeah. It's like, how do you even remember? Yeah. You weren't even talking. You were falling. Yeah. It's wild shit, man. It's wild. What sticks? It's insane. And on the other end of that, I always like, when I come across somebody that's really old, like in their 80s or something, and I, that fascinates me, man. People in their 80s saw some shit, right? Like no matter what their plight was or social economical status, I always ask them, like, what's your earliest memory? What's the first thing that you remember? You know, and sometimes it's fucking crazy. They're like, I remember being bounced on my dad's knee, you know, when I'm like three, you're like, I couldn't remember my dad doing that. He'd always go, yeah, yeah. Always like bouncing on Johnny, Johnny boom, boom. That's what we called it. It was, it was, I was gonna say, that sounds like some chomo stuff. Johnny, Johnny boom. So it was like, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, boom. You were drawing Johnny. Boom. When you had them here, you had them on, boom. So anyways, yeah, it sounds like some chomo shit, right? You want to play Johnny, Johnny boom, boom. Sounds like there should be a glory hole in there. That sounds like the worst fucking strip club I've ever been to. No, I went to one before in Louisiana. What was it called? I'm just wondering, because I've been to a terrible one too. It was called. It was in Lake Charles. We pulled up and it was like a trailer made into a strip club. Like I thought we was at the wrong place. Right? I'll shit you not. I was like, what is it? It was a trailer and a garage hooked to it. The garage was the strip club that they made into a strip club. And the trailer was the whorehouse. That was where the, that's where Johnny, Johnny, so we walked in and this big chick walked past me. She looked like a linebacker. She's like, you want to dance? I was like, fuck no, I ain't want to. I was like, bro, we got to get out of here. Like I was high, high, high and I did not want to be there. I was like, this place is terrible. Man, worst place I've ever been. I don't even know the name. Dude, I'm telling you. And if you, I don't know, it's kind of funny. We used to call it a maintenance call in Southern Maryland where I was from. If you had a model of the percassette sitting in your pocket, because you could take the pictures out and shake them. I guarantee you were going home with something, dude. My 18th birthday, I went to the strip club and had a bunch of my pocket, dude. Now I'll never forget. I was like, walking out of there with the two most ratchet bitches I've ever met in my life. I was like 18. They were like probably like where we were, like, yeah, you're at least something you're old. Just like, I want to snore like five and I'm just like, you know, I'm going to get some pussy, bro. I ended up not fucking either one of them to be fair. No, for real, I really, but I'll tell you why. It's because he passed out. No, my homie, LJ, wasn't that one of the bitches in the car because he said she stung. I don't know. I don't fucking. Like she smells pretty good to me, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. Like five years and four thirties and I'm like, dude, I don't know what you're talking about. Smells great over here. Blowing coconut. I got some 30 of my nose. I can't smell it. Bro, when I was, when I was a senior, so my birthday's in March, I didn't turn 18 till later in the year. So when I was a senior, I was 17. I got a fake ID. Me, my buddy Ethan and my buddy Freddie P in the place to be, we went to a strip club. It's called baby dolls, right? And it was 18 is completely nude. So we walk up and are we getting there? And I've never, I've never been to one before. So I didn't know how all the tipping went and all this shit. So my buddies are like, go up there and tip that girl, go tipper. So this day, I'm still scarred because if you ever see me in a strip club, that's what I do. So I go up and I got my little dollar and like, you know, back then a dollar was a big deal. Like this is 1997, 98. I got a dollar, bitch. So this chick starts crawling towards me, right? On hands and knees. I'm like, oh, 1970. No, 1997. She's crawling towards me. She starts crawling towards me. And I'm like, Oh, shit. She gets from about me to Joey. And then she goes up like this, right? And I'm like, Oh, shit, what's she gonna do? She sticks her finger in her butt, right? This was before that was cool. Now it's not a big deal. She sticks her finger in her butt. And I'm like, right here, I'm the microphone, right? She goes, doesn't touch me with it, but she waffles me with it, right? And then she says, did it stink? And I looked at her and I just dropped my dollar and I fucking walked off and I was like, I'm never doing that shit again, never in my life. So to this day, I haven't been to a strip club in a long time. Was it a cougar? No, she was actually not bad looking. Suzy. But yeah, that changed things though. To this day, if you ever see me in a strip club, I will not stay there to hand you money or put it, I will just throw it on the fucking thing and walk on my fucking merry way. You're not waffling me with them. You ever had somebody take credit for throwing your money in a strip club like you threw money in me? I swear to God that happened to me, it was my 18 birthday. I thought I was balling, I worked for the union at the time, I was doing pretty good. I was on drugs a little bit, so I was a functioning addict. But dude, I remember, I had a couple thousand dollars in my bank account, so I was like, man, I'll take like, you know, five, six hundred dollars and throw it. I'm out there throwing 20s. Dude, I'm out here throwing 20s and I just remember there's this dude in a wheelchair that like, it was clearly irregular. Like he was in there all the time. But he was sitting on the side of the stage and this girl went to pick up the money and she picked up like, I don't know, it was probably like 120, 140 dollars and 20s and then the rest of ones and she's like, well, thank you so much for whoever threw that 20 and the dude in the wheelchair is like, yeah, no problem sweetie. I'm just like, I was like, I'm just sitting here the whole time, that fucking guy didn't throw shit, did you call him out? No, dude, he's in a wheelchair. Yeah, that's what I was about to say, you got to let him get it. Yeah, I did. He was probably like an old veteran. And either way, the girl that was on the stage was actually pretty cute. There was like no way he was going home with that. So I was like, dude, I contribute 140 to your chance of it. I just always like to see the dudes that whenever the money would go everywhere, that would pick it back up or that it wasn't their dollars, but they went and picked this shit up and kept it or reused it. Re-deployed. Oh man. Every time I'm in a strip club, I always think about how funny it would be to like throw quarters or pennies or something. Making a hail, bro. You got it. You're making a hail. I'm making a hail in this motherfucker. Bro, dude, my dick's not. What was that? $100 in pennies, man. I had one of those money guns where you put the $100, $1 bills in. You just hold the trigger and it goes like in six seconds. But we used to think a big dog shit right here. These are actually money counters just in a gun. Oh really? Yeah. You know, like how fast the money counter flips, same concept. Oh no shit. That's cool. Yeah. We should get one of those. I'll probably still have one in the box. Like the part of the money counter that slides the dollar and flips it over. That's what's in those guns. I've shot one of them before too. They flood. They get rid of it. I've never done it in a strip club. I think I did it for a music video like a parody type thing where I was like acting like all the other rappers and I had like the teeth, the chains and like we got like a big stack of like fake $100 bills and just was like, we were riding through downtown Austin in a slingshot. It was one of those times where like somebody pulled up next to me and was like, who are you guys? Oh, what are you doing? And it's like, oh yeah, all six of you bitches. Kevin Gates talks about it. He calls it a cash cannon. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah. You know what? I actually got that from a monopoly. It had monopoly on it. The first one that I bought, they sell it. They sell them at Target still. Oh, wow. I guess for monopoly money. It's like when people started playing beer pong, all of a sudden everybody had ping pong balls. Yeah, right. Right when you walk in the gas station and shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Beer pong. Damn, I haven't played that game in fucking shit. 10 years. Yeah, I guess you can do it, sober. You can do it. Yeah. I mean, actually, you know what? I think I want to say one of the recovery unplugged tents they had, they had like a sober beer pong thing at one of the events I went to. That was my thing, dude. Like I didn't really drink. Yeah. I didn't really like to drink. So anytime I played beer pong, I would like you're locked in. Yeah. Cause it was like, I don't want to fucking be drunk. You know what I mean? Yeah. I just had fun making them in. Yeah. Bounce shots. I was nasty. I was good at fingering them. Fingering them out. Oh yeah. I was a good fingerer. I bet you are. Fuck out that shit, bro. All right. You butt hole girl. You learned your skill. Every time he hits the cunt, he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. We had a rule. It was girls blow guys finger. Oh yeah, same. Yeah. So when it would roll, girls could blow it out, but guys couldn't blow. We had finger. Yeah. Yeah. And it couldn't you couldn't bring any beer up with you. Okay. Yeah. Couldn't splash any on the table. No, no. Yeah. All kinds of weird rules. It's must be universal. I remember I was all the way in Maryland. Those were the same rules. Same rules. Yeah. So the my first experience with beer pong was at Penn State. I went to visit a buddy of mine. He was in a frat and I started playing and bro, yeah, they, I mean, they dominated there bro. And so we won a tournament. Like we played a fucking beer pong tournament like with the wall and shit. Like, oh yeah. All right. These guys are moving the final to go ahead and next bracket, but we were in the finals. We're just like, like how we won that shit was insane. When beer pong got big here, they had some bars that had beer pong tournaments. They have it at the arcade now. You go. Oh yeah. They have a little arcade games. Yeah. They have an arcade beer pong game. I had the little racks that you could bring with you and shit. Oh yeah. Mine you put water in them so they fucking, they didn't move and shit like that. Now they got pool ones. Yeah. Like tables that set up and float in the pool and yeah, man, it's wild how everything's evolved so much. Bro, someone made so much fun. Someone made so much money on that idea. The fucking pool. Yeah. Oh my God. Somebody's a millionaire. Somebody that was fucking on his way to AA said, you know what? This will be my last shindig. I'm going to make this motherfucker made so much money. You ever wonder what creations people were high while they were making? Like I think a lot. Sure. The Doritos Locos taco was definitely somebody's stone. I think everything at jack in the box, bro. Yeah, true. The Doritos taco that makes so much sense to me. It's like you're high as shit. You're eating a taco. You're eating Doritos and then you're just like, oh, I can do this. Oh, shit. Yeah. What if I wrap one in here? Two for one. Or like the prison meals you see like when people are like taco salads in a bag, it's like, no, mother, that's a hookup. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like tier two, we were doing the same shit. You know? What's it called a spread? Yeah, yeah, people, different things. Like we, where I was at, they called it hookups. Yeah. They really only called it a spread if it was like eight of us going in and we were making like something big. But yeah, you see that shit everywhere and people would be like, oh, to go tacos. I'm like, you mean a fucking hookup? I've never had a spread before. Two of the guys I went to rehab with when I went to their sobered living, they were like, let's go to H.E.B. We're going to make a spread. And I was like, never. I don't even know what a spread is. Yeah. And like the ingredients, it looks like it's going to be dog shit because tuna fish is one of them. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's like there is no way tuna sauce is going to be fucking good. Bro, they made that shit and it was so fucking good. It was fire. And ramen noodles and fucking fucking ramen noodles and tuna fish and all kinds of silly shit. Yeah. And it was fucking really good. It's wild, which you can make out of ramen. I've seen dudes make pizzas. That's what they made. They made a pizza. They called it spread, but it was a pizza. Yeah. And it had beans on it. It was crazy. Yeah, dude. They'll use chili packs like chili packs, pickles. Yeah. Fucking dude. Yeah, it's wild. Well, dudes in prison, I think come out like really good cooks when you open up the fucking world to them and they're like, I go to HB and get all this shit. Like, damn. Yeah. Like I was having to do this with a fucking avocado peel and a fucking chili packet. Make a meal. I'm fucking gonna bite that bent when it hit the pickle and shit. You know what I mean? You're gonna cut the pickle and you're nice like bloop. Like just dies in sideways. Yeah, you give them resources and pots and pans and they're just like, let's fucking go. Yeah, man. Yeah. So what's next for you, man? What are you? So I'm working on a tour in May. Gringo, the MC is going on tour and I think I'm gonna go with him and open. He did a song with you. Yeah. It's escaping my brain, which one of the... There you go. Yeah, that's a great song. Are y'all staying in Texas or where you're going? No, actually, it'll be man, let me let me read the list of cities just in case anybody watching is in these areas. Yeah, do if you're obviously you're gonna do one somewhere here or somewhere close. Yeah, at some point, we'll come out and show out. I don't know when. I don't know when. But right now, so the lineup right now is Cheyenne, Wyoming, Denver, Colorado, Kearney, Nebraska, Norfolk, Nebraska, Kansas City, Missouri, St. Louis, Missouri, Wichita, Kansas, and Chicago, Illinois. And then we may add one of these three cities, Duluth, Minnesota, Green Bay, Wisconsin, and Madison, Wisconsin. Damn. Yeah. This is gonna be cold. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be a dope tour. Shout out to DFW Airporter. He's a good friend of mine, Jason. He's like moving a bunch of stuff around to make it available for us to take his Mercedes Sprinter on the road, which is sick. Yeah. Otherwise, we'd probably be in like a caravan or something. Yeah. And it's like he totally, I called him just kind of on a whim, you know what I mean? Those are expensive. They're very, very, very. So I'd not at all for a second was like, like, he'll probably say no. And if he does, I expect that. I get it, dude. Like I get it. But he was like, nah, we'll make it happen. Like wrap that thing, put my name on the back or something and we'll send you with it. So shout out to DFW Airporter, man. If you're ever needing transportation in the DFW area, that's the guy. Yeah. That's tight. Great shit, dude. Especially group transportation. He's got like big buses and stuff. Luxury buses. I worked with these guys that they had a band. I don't remember what the name was. Fuck. I'll think of it after this podcast, but they had a band this like 20 years ago, and they bought a van. They all put in like 200 bucks, 300 bucks. There was like six of them. And they fucking endo fin is what their name was. Okay. And they bought this van and they went on tour. And like this van was dog shit. Like it broke down every fucking city. And like they would send back videos like this is where my space, remember my space? So you could watch like their shit on my space. And like, I don't know if YouTube was around yet, but like they would be fucking their motor would go out here or they're fucking, you know, the brakes went out over here and they went on like New Mexico and they went all these different areas. And they got near the border in Arizona and some fucking cartel guys tried to rob them. Oh, shit. They tried, they like literally tried to fucking steal their van from them. They were trying to run them off the road and take their van. Cause I guess vans are a big fucking deal over there. Probably the one that the A team drove around in the fucking BA Baracus and shit. Yeah. Like the original one. They said that was some of the funnest shit that they've ever done. Like they had no money. They just, they went from, I mean, they, they made money at each place like selling merchandise. Yeah. And then they probably got paid like 80 bucks to show up and fucking play. But they took that money from here and went to the next and took that money from here and went to the next one. And they said it was free way of life, man. Yeah. They said it was like some of the best times they've ever fucking had. Man, I think like two of them quit their job that they worked with me and did that and went and did that. Like that's what they went and did. They probably got a hell of an experience to me. And I think, I tell my wife all the time, like when we move, I really want to get back to the basics, man. Like if, if you think about it, dude, there's so much in life that like, like I've just come to realize that anytime you're using convenience, you're paying for it with either your health or your time. Right? Like it's, it's so it's like, think about how many basic things that we forget, like making your own bread that's so healthy for you. Like, and then making your own ice cream. It's like, you don't want to give your kids ice cream because it's not healthy. But if you made your own, it's healthy. It's like a superfood. You know what I mean? So, no, so it's, so it's just like, man, like I've been, I've been trying to get on my wife just being like, man, when we move like back to the basics, we can grow our own potatoes. We can grow our own, just being self-sufficient. I feel like, you know, it's, it's crazy the place that the world's in. Everybody's just so they can, people consume so much like TV, Instagram, TikTok, like fast food. Yeah, dude, I've been heavy on that with the aspect of like really trying to calm down with picking my phone up. Because sometimes I'll notice like my kids calling my name for like two minutes and I'm just like sitting here like, yeah, bud, hold on a second. It's like, whoa, like put that down. That's another thing he made me realize, dude, was just the phone shit because he'd be like, he'd like, I'd be on my phone and he'd like crawl in my lap and like, roll over the phone. And I'd be like, what are you doing, bud? And he's like, I want attention. And it's like, oh, you know, okay, I get it. Yeah. Katelyn's mom told me one day, because I was like, hey, does Katelyn ever say anything like that I need to change, right? Yeah. And she said, she just says that you're always on your phone when she's with you. And I was like, fuck, like that. So I made a deal with you. You don't even notice. I don't because that's just what we do now. Yeah. So I made a deal with her like whenever you're here, if we're watching a movie, my phone's away. Yeah. Right. Or if we're fucking at volleyball, I don't even touch my phone. Or if we're doing something together, my phone's gone. Yeah. Right. As long as you're off yours, because she has one too. Yeah. But I have to give her time on hers. As long as you're off yours, I'll be off mine. Yeah. You know, it's a hard balance, man, because it's like, if you think about what the world was like before phones, it was amazing. It was like, you know, it's a catch 22. It's like social media helps catch bad people. It gets words out, that are needed to get out for the world. It lets people see the truth in situations, right? Like all this stuff with, you know, the government kind of being against us and all that stuff. I feel like wouldn't be a forefront unless social media was there to kind of touch on it. Because the news is the news. You can't trust anything they say these days. You know what I mean? They're like, the sky's green this morning. The grass is blue. Yeah. You know, and it's just like fucking there's people sitting in their living rooms that are like, you're damn right. Look, anything in moderation is good. Yeah. You know, like, I mean, it just is. Yeah. And the phone and technology is no different. But to your point, it's like technology is advancing so fast. Yeah. Where our brains aren't even capable of like, I have this fucking phone. I could probably plan out my life on this shit. Yeah, literally. I use it for like 5% of what it's capable of. Everything. Like our thermostats. Like, dude, my new house, the fridge that came in it that they put in it has a fucking camera inside of it to where like, if I'm at the grocery store and want to know what's in my fridge, I can like, and it shows me it's got like a big touchscreen on the outside of the fridge where you like add your list and shit. And I'm just like, what the fuck? Yeah, dude. It's fucking crazy. Damn. And I'm terrible with stuff like, like I can build a dirt bike motor. I could build you a house. Like I know how to do all those things. But like, if you, my manager will send me like a spreadsheet on like Google and be like, hey, fill in these ISRCs and these other codes and do this. And I'm just like, I get like a third of the way through the spreadsheet and realize I've been fucking everything up moving around on accident. I'm like, I can't fucking like I suck it. Yeah. I can build a house, but I can't use a fucking computer. Yeah. We have we have someone coming on next week. And when I was talking to him through texts, he said, yeah, email my manager and she'll put she'll put it on my schedule. Yeah. I emailed her and she's like, all right, got you locked in. And then she sent me a fucking request to accept and all this Google. And I was like, I sent her an email back and said, when y'all get here, you got to teach me how to do that. Yeah, because I'm putting shit in on my phone for this podcast, like going to my little fucking calendar, my little it's a Google calendar. I think is what it is. It does it all for you. Yeah. Yeah. And it's nuts. And I watched a documentary about Tom Green. Yeah. They remember the Tom Green show. Yeah, yeah, he's funny as one of the funniest dudes ever, like kind of the original like prank wasn't he was Barrymore too. Yeah, I think they were married for a bit. Good job, Tom. Yeah, they were she dumped her. It doesn't matter. Or she dumped it, whatever. But you did a great job. He was in LA doing the LA thing, comedian doing all that shit. This guy just fucking said, fuck it, left it all behind. Now he is on like a farm in Canada. And he rides around on a donkey all day. Dude, happy as shit. And to your experience and back to basics. Now he travels, he doesn't go by plane. Yeah, he has a fucking like it looks kind of dumpy. It's nice inside. Yeah, it's got like a bed and shit in there. Yeah, but he just drives a fucking van wherever like he was just here in Austin doing shows. Yeah, he was like, yeah, I just pulled up in my van and you know, parked it and what a life was we would stop and stay. I feel like that's where people go wrong with happiness though is they they it's like my happiness is here. Like, am I getting likes? Am I getting followers? Am I getting and they forget that it's like, this doesn't even really exist. Yeah, this isn't even a real thing. Like if if if I mean, you're putting videos out and doing this, but it's like, it's not even it's not tangible. You can't you know what I mean? You can't you're not gonna the part that blows my mind is like, when we were kids or like you're a little bit older than I but like when still when we were kids, it was like, you would relate things to real life. You would be like, oh man, like, that's crazy. You say that because the other day I was going in the store and this happened. And now it's like somebody will say something they'll be like, oh, it's crazy. You say that I saw on social media the other day. Yeah, yeah, on YouTube. Well, yeah. And it's just like, damn, like people are really living their lives through the means of social media and YouTube and things like that. And it it's kind of mind blowing to me, you know, you can imagine like, especially like celebrities and shit. Oh man, like, I know Rachel when Rachel was on here, she said like, she has to really meditate and pray. Yeah. And the morning first thing, before she even opens up her inbox and shit. Because sometimes like people's comments and shit can fuck her day up 100%. Right. And and people are mean, dude. Yeah, people are assholes. I've seen especially with women. Yeah, like when you know, guys were fucking nasty. Yeah, I know like some of the UFC fighters, when when the when they when they would ask some of the women like, what's the worst thing that happens to you outside of here? Like guys send me dick pics all the time. Just random people DM me like, Hey, here's and fucking you wanna, she's hilarious. She was like, and some of y'all should not even send those little dicks at your. She said some shit like that. Like it's embarrassing that you don't even send that. Yeah. But yeah, like fucking, you know, that's that's another thing that social media adds that we didn't have that shit. Yeah. Wow, but I get my space, send a dick pic on my space and see what happens. Yeah, right. Everyone's gonna see that. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's wild man. And she Rachel, that's Rachel Elizabeth, right? Yeah. Yeah, dude, most home one of the most humble people who ever made she seems like a dope. I've never met her in person. I'd love to come on the podcast. But I've never met her in person. She seems she seems like, bro, if you reach out to her anything in recovery, she would fucking be there a second. Yeah, so fucking cool. She seems very grounded. Very makes sense. Super grounded. Very survive from her is grounded. Yeah. It's funny when she comes here, Destiny loves her. Oh, yeah. Every female from the age of fucking 16. She gets fucking all like, what is it called? Starstruck? Yeah. She can't even say hi to her and she's like, that's funny. Yeah, my girlfriend is funny woman. She's hilarious. She's funny. She's one video where she was talking about she said she was like, she said she accidentally like took a sip of a drink at a club or something like that. She litigation. Yeah. Yeah. That shit hit me so hard because I've accidentally hit a joint like being somewhere and somebody's like, Hey, you know, do you want to hit this? And I'm like thinking it was a hooker and it was like a hooker, but it was like infused. Yeah. And it just cracked me up when she was like, because when that happened to me, like the first start in my head was just, I was like paranoid, like, fuck, am I going to go like smoke crack or something? Fuck, I'm feeling comfortable. Like I don't like this. I'm like, I'm fucking, I gotta go home and talk to my wife or something. And fucking she mentioned that she was like, like, oh, I had a drink. Like it's time to go smoke crack. Dude, I thought that was the funniest fucking thing. I was like, oh, that hit home. Yeah. Yeah. Very funny, bro. She's super cool. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, brother, I think we got one in the books here, man. Yeah. What do you think? Yeah, dude. We're always having a good time. This is definitely a different podcast. I like it. Yeah, man. This is just three days. Bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. I feel, I feel like this was more of a, you know, update and, and like a grown man's podcast. I suspect we talked about a lot of, you know, yeah, a lot of things that, uh, that artists themselves usually don't touch on and podcasts usually don't touch on unless they're specific. That's why I love this podcast. Y'all don't have like a specific, like a specific lane. You're not always talking about this or that. It's just, um, you know, it's kind of wherever the vibe falls. Part of that is we're just too dumb to know any better. Like, you know, only want to use more. When we first started this, we were like, should we have like a fucking outline of what we're going to do and talk and we, at first we were, you were going to bring on a little pad, right? I know I was bringing, that's probably in here somewhere. He had a little pad. But I was like outlining. So, you did that when I came on. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like he had a new pad. We got rid of it pretty close. Maybe I had it. Maybe I didn't. I don't know. So Mike and all of his genius, right? Like he calls me on a Thursday and says we're ready to film on Sunday. Yeah. Right. And I'm like, what? We're like ready to go. And he's like, yeah, dude, like we're going like on Sunday, because he was just going through some shit and he's like, we need to get, we need to go right now. I was like, all right, brother. So I started going into panic mode and I wrote again, moron, right? I don't understand addiction or recovery at all. So I started freaking out and I got this notepad and I started writing down questions in it. Yeah. As they would come and I'm like, fuck. So I had like 300 fucking questions. Yeah. Like over the over three days, because I was obsessing. I was like, I need to be prepared. I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. Right. I also am going to be the dick and fart guy. Like I have to be as some zingers in here. Yeah. It was just all prepared. Yeah. You had jokes written in there. Yeah. All kinds of shit. Like right. There ain't nothing wrong with that. Yeah. But I was just freaking out. Like I was like, dude, I don't know what the fuck we're going to do. Yeah. So we get in here, we do one episode and I asked like two of the 350 fucking questions and it just kind of started bouncing off of each other and it ended up being like an hour long thing. Yeah. And I was like, oh, you were just way over thinking this shit. Like you just got anxiety and started fucking. And then I was like, well, cool. Now I have like episodes worth the shit here. I can do this for 300 episodes. That's kind of what I was thinking. I was like, man, and then like sub questions off of the question. Yeah. I weren't on the list of questions. Yeah. Right. But then I was like, okay, so this week we're going to do this. We're going to ask this question. Yeah. And then I think episode four or five. Yeah, we change it. I just I came in and I was giving them a shot to prepare. Yeah. That's what I felt like I was doing. I was like, dude, we're not we're scripted. It's not scripted, but it's scripted. Yeah. Right. I don't I just want to see what happened. So the next week I came in and I didn't have it and they're like, all right, man, what are we going to talk about? And I was like, I don't know. Yeah. I don't fucking know, man. Yeah, we're just going to go in there and see what fucking happens. Yeah. And that's how we may not have had a notepad when I can't. Yeah. I think it stopped after maybe five or six. Yeah. I'm sort of thinking you didn't because I think we just kind of won and we went down some holes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what I found is like people in addiction and recovery with the path that they go down, there's fucking rabbit holes and landlines all over the fucking place. Right. But I learned that real quick. And I was like, I'm just giving these motherfuckers like time to prepare what they're going to respond. Yeah. And I was like, fuck that. We're just we're scrapping this whole thing and we're just going to come in here and talk. Yeah. I think that's the best way to do it. Yeah. You know, when you see like reality TV shows, it's like when they're scripted, it's like, ah, yeah. You know, like I always like, like, whose line is it anyway? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that show. Yeah, it's great. But I'm like, man, some of those shit comes off their heads so well. Yeah. That it's like, is it really fucking unscripted? I don't know. You know. But man, if it's not, those are some genius motherfuckers. They're fucking funny too. Yeah. They're fucking really good. They all got famous. My dad used to watch that when I was younger. I used to watch that too. Who was it? Something Brady? Yeah. Wayne Brady. Wayne Brady. Wayne Brady. He still does a bunch shit. Who's the taller dude? The tall white dude. Yeah. Forget it. Fucking hilarious. They were all funny. He and the little bald dude, the dude that had the uh, the hair. Dude, anytime the tall skinny guy reenacted anything, I died. What's the best shows you'll ever see of that? It's out there. But Robin Williams was a surprise guest on that one. Oh, yeah. And that shit was fucking hilarious. I believe him. Like him going out there and going off the cuff was fucking incredible. I believe it, man. They say that they say that usually people's happy side having equally as dark side. And that was a beautiful and funny human being. Well, you've run down the line of all the funniest human beings. Right? John Belushi. Yeah. Fucking Chris Farley to me is like one of the funniest fucking dudes ever. Yeah. And everybody said sweetest guy ever. Same thing about Robin. Like anybody, they're just so sweet. Yeah. So nice all the time and they're just darkness dude. I'm telling you. Go home and the clowns cry the hardest man. Yeah. They do. They go home and they cry the hardest. That's a real thing dude. Yeah. That's a real thing. Yeah. I think that kind of circles back to the balance thing. Yeah. Like you have to, you know, you can only wear a mask for so long. It also has I think I was up. I think it has and I'm not saying this and that bad about them, but it also has something to do with addiction too. Right? Yeah. Because that's those were definitely my darkest times. Yeah. Like fucking like when I'm using and then I'm thinking or this is going bad in life or this is going bad. Like I never thought about killing myself. Yeah. But there was definitely some fucking depression in there. Yeah. There was definitely some depression in there. And when I got sober, whenever I'd get off the meth for a minute, yeah, that depression that I would feel for that, that's what would always keep me going back. I could make like five or six or seven days on my own. Yeah. But once that shit would hit, I'll be like, Oh, fuck, I can't deal with this. Yeah, I'm not doing it. And I used to always tell people like I don't understand suicide. Yeah. But if people feel like I would feel in those days every day, man, that's a fucking terrible way to fuck. That's a terrible way. I know I thought about it quite a few times when I was getting high. And to this day, I still don't really know. Like I tried to kill myself. I think three different times, two times I was like serious. And the other time I'm not really sure if it was like for attention or what it was. But I just know that like you, remember we talked earlier about emotional responses, right? I think that's an emotional response. Like you're so deep in your feelings, and you're so fucked up in your head about something, whatever it may be. And you're just like, this is the end of my life, like my life is going to end right here. And it's not, you know, you, and this is for anybody struggling too, like you, you never even realized that you get another chance in those moments. Like you're just thinking about like, this is over, this is it for me. But if you just go to sleep and wake up, it's like that's the moment when you realize like, shit, I had, I'm, you know, I have another chance. Well, if you think about like some of the worst things ever happened to you, yeah, and you think about it now, in that moment, it was the worst thing that's ever, this is the fucking worst thing that's ever going to happen in my life. Yeah. And then a month later, it's really, man, it's a bad day, but it wasn't that big of a deal. I remember my girlfriend and middle school broke up with me, dude, not like a night or two, just crying and puking. Like I was an emotional mess. It was the hottest girl in school. I was super happy. I won't say her last name. Her first name was Megan. Shout out to her. She's a really good friend of mine now. But yeah, when I was like in school and that happened, dude, I was like puking and throwing up. And then a week later, I had a different girlfriend. It was like, you know, you just get so caught up in that thing, dude, I call it the snowball of emotions where it's just like, you're like, at a tipping point, something pushes it and it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And it's like, you kind of got to decide where you, you know, disperse all that stuff at and you kind of got to decide like, what's, what's my tipping point? Like, when am I going to end this like craziness going on in my head? Because you can, you get to a point where you're just like, I don't want to live anymore. And I've seen that with a lot of my friends. Unfortunately, a lot of them have, you know, taken their life or overdosed intentionally. And it's like, I know how that feels to be, to feel so trapped, like so trapped to where you just feel like the only way out is to take your life. But it's like, man, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, you know, what's the word? A testament to, you know, like, you know, if you just, just wait, yeah, don't do it. Don't do it. Do it tomorrow. You know, you know, I tell tomorrow, dude, I've told myself that so many times in recovery, like with, with drugs, like in the early recovery, it'd just be like, like, I want to fucking get high. And then it'd be like, I'm going to do it tomorrow. And then I wake up the next day and be like, I don't really want to get high. And then like a week later, I'd be like, I want to fucking get high. Like, you know what, I'm going to do it tomorrow. Yeah. The next day it's like, you know, I feel kind of good. I don't really want to get high. It's crazy how that shit works, dude. For real. When you just sleep on it, you know, well, that one day at a time thing is real for so real, but I think it's real for everybody. Yeah. You know, I think that's life. I don't even think you have to be in recovery to experience that. Yeah, man. It's like, don't ride the highs too high or the lows too low. My dad told me that. Yeah, dude. You fucking, if you're way up in the clouds right now, know that the fucking rug's gonna come down. They're coming back. They're gonna come down. It goes up, must come down. But if you, if you're up there and you keep your head here, then you're going to be cool. But if you're down here, keep your head just above there. Yeah. You're going to rise back up. So I mean, it's just so much of the recovery shit is so applicable to just life every day, normal. Absolutely. People who can have a beer and lay it down. It's applicable to everything. I mean, honestly, I think it's, it's like something everybody should do. Like I think the 12 steps would be healthy for a lot of people. I say that because it's like, I talked to my friends that are not in recovery and they'll be going through like life problems. And I'll like say some shit and they're like, Oh my God, bro. Like, where did you think of that? I was like, oh, written in this little fucking book. That guy named Bill figured out fucking a lot about it. My friend Bill. Yeah. He hadn't figured out dude. I just fucking did what he said and it worked out. It's fucking incredible, man. It's incredible what, what, what you can, what you can take out of there even if you're not in recovery. I recommend it to, I've recommended it to a lot of people who were just struggling with just normal shit. Yeah. I told my niece yesterday, I was like, you should probably do the 12 steps. She's like, put them on a fucking drug editor and alcoholic. I said, no, but you have childhood trauma. Yeah. And I said, and you have a lot of character defects that you don't even realize. Right. And there's a lot of things that you stuffed in that you don't realize that are still affecting you in every relationship. Like I just literally did my step four and five. Yeah. And I, I show up the same way in every fucking relationship. Every chick that I've ever dated gets the same piece of shit side of me and every single side of way. And it's not my fault. It was always their fault. Right. I always blame too that I heard this the other day. It takes two people to ruin a relationship. So blame her and her mom. I didn't do shit wrong. But I show up the same way. And it's always, I have the same shit pop up on everything. And I was like, it was kind of embarrassing. Yeah. I was like, oh, oh, when you figure out it's you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a hitter, dude. Yeah. Yeah. When you figure out it's you, like when I figured out it was me fucking up me and my parents relationship after all these years, like, just like, fuck dude, what an idiot. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like what a fucking idiot. There's a reason they tell you now go, go sit in that for two hours and just think about it. Yeah. For real. Like fuck, just go sit in a corner and just think on it. Yeah. It's, it's embarrassing. It's like, and you don't even have to like, once I've already went through two or three people, I already know what the end result is on the fourth and fifth. Yeah. Because I'm, I'm showing up the same fucking way. Yeah. And it all boils back to something. Right. Yeah. And, and that's what, you know, that's what I was telling her. I said, you'll find out the things that you don't think are affecting you that really are affecting you. Yeah. And I'm with you. I think everybody could benefit from doing the 12 steps. 100%. Yeah. It's a reprogram thing. That's what I learned about it. It's a, it's a massive reprogramming of your brain. But it's constant. Yeah. Like that's the other thing because you guys go back to those steps. Kind of constant. Like fucking control out, delete in your computer before you leave work. Yeah. Right. You got to shut that shit down so you can fire back up in the morning and get going again. You know, so I still do nightly's at six years. Yeah. I still like, because I, dude, I have a piece of shit sometimes, bro. For real. Like I have, I have a, I have a bit of a temper in the aspect of like, especially on the road, bro. I don't know what it is about drivers in fucking Texas. Yeah. Like when somebody cuts me off to the point where if I just let off the break, I would have hit them. Like something in my head is like, hit that. I did it afterwards. I'm like, I should have smoked him. Dude, I tell them my wife will not allow me to spend the money on a ranch hand brush guard. You know the big steel one person on the front? I so badly for months, I've been like, well, probably years at this point, I've been like, just let me get one. So that way, I don't have to, I won't even bitch about it. Like if they cut me off, I'll just give him a little tap. Just keep it moving. Just ruin their car. Nothing happens. Everybody's happy. But then it's like, I do nightly's and I'm like, dude, like, what a dickhead. Like you never know, dude, somebody could be in a hurry because their family members having an emergency. Somebody, um, and, and it's just like you, you don't look at that type of shit in the moment. Right? It's like this dickhead just cut me off. I'd love to slap him in his face. Like, and, and you don't think outside of that, you're just like selfishly trying to pleasure your own pissed offness. You say the worst shit by yourself in a car on the road. You say the most vile, worst fucking shit about people. You're like, I hope your mother fucking dies and you watch it. You fucking piece of shit. Use your blinker. The worst fucking seriously, dude, it's crazy. It's unbelievable. I do it all the time. My mom always gets on me when I'm like, I hope they crash down the road. She's like, I'm like, I'm sorry. You're right. I don't hope they crash down there. Maybe they get a flat tire or something. I don't know. I just fucking hope they inconvenience themselves the way they just did it to me. And then it's like, you think about it, I'm fucking still just driving right on. Nothing really inconveniencing. You're, you just started to realize like my nightly's make me realize how much of a dickhead I am sometimes. We're all dickheads. I'll be writing something on a piece of paper and be like, what a piece of shit. You're a winner on that one. I'm like, you're really fucking killing it. Six years clean. Great fucking move. I'm hard as shit on myself too though. You just do dumb shit, man. It happens. It's all right. Yeah. 100%. You live in New York. Yeah. You live in New York. As long as you don't make a mistake that could potentially change your life forever. You're working. You just kind of laugh about it. Yeah, man. But we all wake up one more day. One more day. One more day. One more. Just wait. Just keep going. Wait till tomorrow. Do it tomorrow. I tell all my friends that to this day, I'm like, dude, just keep fucking going. Just keep. Because so many of the biggest moments of my life have been like continuation of something. Like if I'm in the middle of it and it's like, I want to fucking give up. Like this sucks. This is ass. So many of the best moments of my life have been when I like pushed through those feelings and found that place. I think that's when God fucking rewards you. Right? I agree. I think that's when he says, you know what? Now you've earned it, kid. You know? Let's give it to you. I agree. I think that's, you know, that's a testament. I've always, man, I've thought this my whole life, even when I was a kid, because I've always said, don't just keep going. Keep fighting. Keep fighting. I wonder how many people were on the verge of fucking something amazing. Yeah. And they just gave up because it got too hard. Like, can you imagine if the person that invented the light bulb, like at the last minute, just say, you know, I had 1900 inventions or 1300. Yeah. I think he did the light bulb a thousand times wrong. Some shit like that. Yeah. Some of that. Maybe the thousand one. Yeah. But I've always wondered like, how many people were right there at the finish line? And they didn't know it. Like if they would have known, I'm right there, they would have crossed it. You know? But because they didn't know, and they doubted themselves and they let that fucking devil shoot those arrows like Steve said. I was going to say that's where that trust and faith comes in. Yeah, that trust and faith. They just said, you know what? Fuck, this is just too hard. Yeah. Right? I think that about my music all the time, if we're being genuinely honest, like all the time, I thought about it about the podcast. Maybe I should just fucking give it up, like, and go fucking start a homestead with my family and like teach my kids all that shit. Yeah. I'm just like, well, like, what if, like, what if I'm just like right fucking there, dude? And that keeps me going. Like, you know, when it's not my son or my mom, or that's like something in the back of my head that is constantly like, you're fucking a million steps further than when you started. Like, for instance, in 2022, I was in the top 500,000 artists in the world. By the end of 2024, I was in the top 38,000. So it's like, you know what I mean? You don't see that type of stuff. And then shout out to my manager again, he does a great job of like putting that in my face to be like, come on, bro, like you're working towards something, you know, and it's one of those things where you just keep pushing, man. You never know how close the dream is until you get there. You know, you have no clue. Right. And then when you get there, it's that much more fucking rewarding. Yeah. Because you know all the work that you like fucked it. I put all this, I've thought about it on this podcast. I'm like, man, like, would I have a sponsor yet? This and that we put a lot of money into it. Yeah. But, you know, thank God that these two are with me because like we fucking feed off of each other and then people reaching out that the comments that we get, just put all that to bed for me, you know, when people reach out. And some of the people that I've met through this, you know, like people Matt, what about Matthew Matthew in Washington? Yeah, he just got us like our first sponsor. Yeah. One of our one of our viewers, one of our viewers, just like you fucking started pounding the pavement. But dude, I want to be an ambassador for you. You don't have to pay me nothing. I said, look, if you help us, we're going to help you. Yeah. He got us our first fucking sponsor. There you go. Yeah, dude. And why that's fire. That's how it goes, dude. You never know how guys going to work or show up in your life. You have no clue, you know, it's just like you, you, you think, you think, you know, or like you can come up with a million scenarios in your head, but 10 out of 10 times, it's never going to fucking play out that way. You're totally wrong about what you're thinking. And it's going to come away from fucking left field. You're not going to expect it. It's going to hit you like a ton of bricks and you're going to be like, holy shit. And you're going to end up right where you want it to be, you know, like it's dude, my grandmother is such a firm believer. She always, she always tells me if I'm any problem, I could be telling her about anything. And she'll be like, always remember baby, God's got you right where you're supposed to be. You know what I mean? And that dude, that saying specifically sticks with me everywhere. I could be mad about anything. And I'm just like, it's, it's fucking off or something dude. It's off or something because especially being an artist or podcast or anything like the highs are high. Like when you start, when you go on these runs and you, you know, like my album, I dropped it and it was like, it was doing like 20,000 streams a week. And I'm like, fuck dude, like, you know, you almost think it's going to go on forever. And then now I'm at a spot where, you know, the album's doing four or five thousand streams a week and I'm like, what is fucking happening? And it feels like it's a low, but then it's like, I remember times when I'd sit and stare at my SoundCloud refreshing, waiting for the 29th view to come on. And it's like, now I'm getting a couple thousand in a week, bro. It's like, you, you gotta, you gotta take the wins, man, and run with that shit and be like, even though I'm not here, like I'm not where I started. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. Shit. I remember doing that whenever we get to 29 view. We got, we just broke 100 subscribers. Right. Yeah. When you were on you, do you like announced a thousand or something? Hey, we just got six 69. Yeah. Like wake up to take up is like, let me just see you do every single time. They work together fucking prison three in the morning with Dick prison hand. I'm taking a piss. We got to face down with the camera the wrong way. Like, oh dude, what the hell, bro? 400 subscribers. Yeah, dude. That's fucking amazing, man. Now look, you know, I worry all that now on YouTube, like 62,000 plus. Wow, dude. What a gross spurt. Yeah, talks like almost 30. What a fucking gross spurt. And that's consistency, man. That's consistency. It pays off, dude. The once a week pays off, you know? Yeah. It pays off to be consistent. Well, the reality is, man, it's, you know, it's cliche, but it's never a job. If you're loving what you're doing, we, this is the best. This is the fucking coolest thing I've ever been a part of and funnest and reward. It's like all of the things, right? Yeah. And it just, it's easy. It's easy to show up here and fucking do this. What do you love what you do? You never work a day in your life. Yeah, it's the, this is the best. This is the best fucking thing. Yeah. You don't see Rogan calling sick and shit. Hell no. I love you. Also though, Joe Rogan, I'd love to be on your podcast. Yeah. Dude, that'd be a fire one. Yeah. That'd be a fire one. That'd be a fire one. Yeah. I think everybody would. Yeah, no. At this point. That's the one that shoots you to the moon. Yeah. You get on road. Like Destiny says, she swears we can get Eminem on here. I'm like, bro, like Eminem is one of the biggest rappers ever. She's like, yeah, but that will shoot y'all to the moon. Well, yeah. I mean, it would, but if he fucking just, you never know, put a post out there about a seven shooters to the moon. You never know though, man. Like one thing I've found out with having a manager is just you never know unless you shoot the shot. Like, like, um, so my manager does a lot of what's called cold emails or like cold calls. Yeah. They'll just send emails like labels, executives management. And like he sent probably 200 and something the other day. Like literally 200 emails to all these different like PR firms and marketing agencies and all this stuff. And crazy enough, the, I may be saying this wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's the executive creator director or something of that sort for Warner music. Like, like Warner, like music reached back out and was like, Hey, I'll get this over to the editorial team ASAP. Thanks for sharing with us. Yeah. And it was like, Holy shit. Like out of all the people that didn't reply, it was like this one is 200 emails fucking so worth it. You know what I mean? And even if nothing comes of it, it's like dope. That guy now knows who I am. He's with Warner Bros. He has this other stuff going on. Like, but he now knows who I am. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. You don't know unless you try. Man, you never know. I tell my kid that all the time. I just never know. Like, dad, do you think I'll flip if I hit that jump? Like, you never know unless you try. Hit that throttle. Let's see. There was some balls. I said no. Dude. Yeah. Man. Well, brother, it's getting late. Indeed. You need to get home. Your wife's probably blowing you up. No, she only, she, he, uh, my son called me and she said, are you doing okay? Yeah. That's it. Well, let's get you home back to your kids. And brother, thank you so much for coming on again. Thank you again, man. I come on a third time. Hey, dude, you are coming on. You're going to come on a lot more times. I get the feeling of that. Yeah. It's good fun being here. Yeah. And it's the night ones are different because you're kind of relaxed. Yeah. I'm like wearing sweatpants. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like totally relaxed. I left the house. She was like, you're not dressing up. I was like, ah, I forgot that. I've been like in a place where I'm just so dadded out. Like I'm trying to grow this for a video shoot. But even that, I was just like, I'm not shaving. I'm not fucking. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I don't even. You got two kids now. Fuck it. And they like think the world of me. So it's like, fuck what you think. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm the fucking man. Oh, no. I don't give a fuck what you think out here, bro. I walk through that door and it's like, ah, I'm the fucking man. Well, look, man, the road back. Yeah. And then you have some stuff coming out. Yeah. So the road back is out now on all platforms. Go listen to that. Yeah. 22 tracks from me to you. That is a super personalized and emotional and vulnerable album. All of it. I would say yeah. And in my opinion, some top 40 hits on there as well. I appreciate that, man. I appreciate it greatly. Yeah. That's that's that's one of my, definitely one of my masterpieces of art. I would say like I'm super proud of the album. Should be. And then beautiful things is the EP that I have dropping. So that comes out March 7th. Okay. There'll be a video shortly after that for we are the change, which isn't out yet. It'll be out on the EP. But yeah, March 7th, new EP. Actually any order off my website from now until then gets you free early access. Oh, cool. Order or donations and I take donations as low as a dollar. Sometimes that doesn't make sense to people. But if one person went and streamed all six songs off that EP on Spotify, it doesn't even pay me a dollar. So if you want to donate a dollar, five dollars, whatever, you know, I do it that way to where it's like some people can't afford $10. Yeah. It's like $1.25, whatever. A donation is a donation. $100,000 people give you a dollar. Fuck. That's a lot of money. You know, so it's like, I, yeah, I do it that way and donations or if you order merch, I'll send you a link and it'll give you early access to the EP to listen to it on your phone. But yeah, that's pretty much what I got going. Merch new merch is up tour in May dates to be determined. But yeah, man. What's your website? I am critchie.com. Yeah. Yeah. I'm critchie.com. Well, go check this man out. I'm telling you, it is a it's good shit. Good shit. It's good shit. It really is, man. We're proud of you. And if you ever need us, we'll come running brother. Likewise. And that door is always open to you. And, you know, yeah, I finally signed the wall for you. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. The first guy we forgot we're like, check out all the names that are up there now. That's crazy. Yeah, dude. Look at that. Like you were the first one that was going to sign all the names up there now. One day this wall, like people will be like, where the fuck do I sign? There's not even a sign. Yeah. Well, that's that's a good problem to have in my life. Yeah, 100%. I'm excited about it. The more you grow, the better problems you have. Yeah. Sometimes they seem more difficult, but it's like, it's a good problem. Yeah. My homie called me the other day and was like, bro, I'm so fucked up about this. I can't figure out like I got, I got this tour thing, but also I got like this big show that I could open up for and it like fucking sucks. And I was like, sucks what? Like that's a good problem to have motherfucker. Open in front of 5000 or go on a tour and see 5000 like, damn, what a problem. Terrible life. I was like, come on, bro, fucking be grateful dog. Yeah. Doing both do something. You remember fucking, you remember getting on tour in front of five people. She just paid my friends. I've performed in front of three people. The last tour I went on, no, not last probably three tours ago. It was small. It was like two cities, but one of the cities had like three people there, bro. And it was dope though. Like those three people follow me so closely now because it was like, yeah, you know, it was personalized. Yeah. You know, so they're dope, man. Anybody that shows up five. Well, one day they're going to say that they were in a fucking crowd of three people and they saw you fucking play in the mood. Some of the best eight meetings I've showed up at are like three or four people. Yeah. You know, I've showed up to some meetings before where I walk in. There's like four motherfuckers in here. I'm like, oh man, I've almost left. Yeah. But I've stayed and then there's no time limit. You can share multiple times. It ends up being a fucking fire. Ask me, you know, right? Yeah. I remember Hollywood undead, you know, Hollywood undead. They have a song where it says, I don't know exactly what it says, but it talks about all these different cities that they went to performing in front of only family and friends. Yeah. Yeah, man. That's how it starts. Well, anyhow it ends. We're going to keep this train rolling, man. Well, we are going to keep this train rolling. Let us know when you're here. So we can go. 100%. We're going to be in that crowd rocking all the fucking shit. I would like to go backstage. Whatever. Yeah. What are your groupies, dude? I know my 100%. I'm sure your wife won't mind us being the groupies. Yeah. Did it stay? Unless you have an Ole fan. Hey, the feeder out there. Yeah, I was gonna say that Mike said the thing for his feet. It's like, nah. It's probably people really looking for already feet. Damn, he's got an Ole fan. Yeah. Bro, try to see what them toes look like. I'm sure there's a video or two out there. All right. Well, that's a good way to end the gun. I'm gonna smell it. Bro, it's scarred me for life. Yeah, I could tell. Dude, yeah, me too, bro. You can change the way you were sitting in that. Did it stink? You were like, she said, damn, he still smells it. Yeah, man, she said, did it stink. Till his day. Like, you know when your jaw is like, yeah, bro. You know, like when you walk in a room and you smell like an old smell, like if you smoke crack, you'll be like, damn, that smells like burnt crack. He walks into like the fish market and says, damn, that smells like it's true. Yeah, it smells like Daisy's booty hole. Damn, he remembers her name. Daisy's booty hole. Daisy on the center stage. Shout out Daisy. Daisy at Baby Dolls, that's where it was. I don't think they're still open. Shout out to ass with the Daisy. What a woman. What a woman. Proud of her. Dump a Daisy, brother. Well, two addicts with a moron. We're out. Thank y'all. Peace it. Yeah.