Cautionary Tales with Tim Harford

The Lovestruck Explorer's Deadly Guessing Game

39 min
Apr 10, 202610 days ago
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Summary

Tim Harford recounts the tragic 1860-1861 Burke and Wills expedition across Australia, where poor decision-making, unclear communication, and a failure to coordinate led to the explorers' deaths despite being tantalizingly close to rescue. The episode illustrates how coordination games and focal points determine success when communication breaks down, drawing on game theorist Thomas Schelling's framework.

Insights
  • Catastrophic failures often result from cascading poor decisions rather than single mistakes—Burke's overpacking led to delays, which led to unclear instructions, which led to miscommunication about supply depots.
  • In coordination games without direct communication, both parties must independently identify the same 'focal point'—Burke and Wills assumed marking the tree was obvious, while Brahe assumed checking the chest was obvious, and neither did both.
  • Overconfidence in your own logic prevents contingency planning—Burke didn't wait for supplies or plan for the man from the pub's delayed arrival, assuming everything would work out.
  • Cultural arrogance and failure to learn from local expertise proved fatal—Burke rejected Aboriginal people's help and lacked the 60,000 years of accumulated knowledge needed to survive in the outback.
  • Unclear instructions and misaligned expectations between parties create dangerous gaps—Wright's ambiguous orders about when to follow up caused months of delay that proved fatal.
Trends
Organizational communication failures in high-stakes expeditions mirror modern project management risks when instructions are ambiguousGame theory applications to real-world coordination problems show how rational actors can fail without explicit communication protocolsColonial-era exploration narratives reveal systemic underestimation of indigenous knowledge and overconfidence in Western expertiseFinancial constraints and bouncing checks as early warning signs of expedition mismanagement and resource allocation failuresThe role of personality conflicts and interpersonal grudges in derailing large-scale organizational objectives
Companies
Royal Society of Victoria
Organized and funded the Burke and Wills expedition to cross Australia, raised money but struggled with leadership se...
Steamboat Company
Operated paddle steamer on Darling River; Burke fell out with owner and refused to use their services, forcing overla...
People
Robert O'Hara Burke
Irish former soldier who led the ill-fated 1860-1861 expedition to cross Australia; made cascading poor decisions tha...
William Wills
Trained scientist and surveyor who accompanied Burke; died during the expedition despite being closer to success than...
William Brahe
German officer left in charge of Cooper's Creek depot; abandoned camp one day before Burke's arrival, missing the foc...
John King
Sole survivor of the Burke expedition; learned to cooperate with Aboriginal people and was eventually rescued by sear...
Julia Matthews
Young actress whom Burke pursued romantically; received his miniature portrait in a locket as engagement token.
William Wright
Man from the pub tasked with following Burke to Cooper's Creek with supplies; arrived months late due to unclear inst...
Thomas Schelling
Author of 'The Strategy of Conflict' (1960); framework of coordination games and focal points used to analyze Burke e...
Tim Harford
Host and writer of Cautionary Tales podcast; narrates and analyzes the Burke expedition story.
Quotes
"If I come out successful, I have no doubt but that Julia will accept my offer of marriage."
Robert O'Hara BurkeEarly in episode
"What are we going to do with all this?"
Robert O'Hara BurkeUpon seeing 21 tons of baggage
"Were we born to be locked up in comfortable rooms and never to incur the hazard of mishap?"
William WillsIn letter to his mother
"The problem comes when you're so confident in your own answer, you don't bother to look for a backup plan."
Tim HarfordMid-episode analysis
"Playing the coordination game takes both logic and imagination. Burke and Wills were undone by a failure of both."
Tim HarfordEpisode conclusion
Full Transcript
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Robert O'Hara Burke calls out the name of the man he'd left in charge of the camp at Cooper's Creek. Kooee! BRUH! Dusk is falling. Burke and his two surviving colleagues recognise their surroundings. The camp is close. They've travelled 30 miles that day. Clinging wearily to the backs of their two surviving camels. For as just as exhausted as they are. BRUH! It's been over four months since they saw BRUH and the other men they left at Cooper's Creek. In that time they've trekked 2,000 miles to the northern coast of Australia and back again. They're the first white men ever to cross the country. Glory and fame await when they get back to Melbourne. Still nearly another thousand miles away. But now they'll have support. More men. Fresh camels and horses. And food. And goodness. Been on half rations for weeks. But where's BRUH? Patan? McDonough? No response from anyone. Admittedly Burke had assured them he'd be back at the camp in three months, not four. They might by now have assumed he was lost. Or had taken a different route back to Melbourne. But he'd asked them to stay at Cooper's Creek for as long as their supplies lasted. And their supplies should have been replenished long ago. BRUH! Patan? McDonough? They can't be far away. They've probably just gone to water the camels and the horses. They'll be back any moment. Then Burke's second in command sees the dates carved into the Coulibar tree. December 660. April 2161. The 6th of December 1860. That was when they established this camp four and a half months ago. So the other date must be when BRUH abandoned the camp. The 21st of April 1861. That's today. They abandoned the camp today. BRUH! The ashes in the campfire are still warm. Other letters carved into the tree. D-I-G. 3 F-T-N-W. Dig. Three feet to the northwest. They dig. Loosely buried under camel dung and dirt is a trunk. In the trunk is a bottle and in the bottle a note. It's signed by William Braha. Depot, Cooper's Creek, 21st of April 1861. The Depot party leaves this camp today. But why? For medical attention it seems. Patan is unable to walk. His leg has been severely hurt. Where are the others? Where's the third group of Birx expedition? The ones he left at the last outpost of civilization on the Darling River. Who were going to follow up to Cooper's Creek with all the other supplies. Where are they? No person has been up here from the Darling. So the Depot party's supplies haven't been replenished. And Braha will have had to take much of what remained for his journey. Birx and his two companions look again in the buried chest. They've been left some flour, sugar, tea and dried meat. What much? Not enough. But at least they can eat tonight. They eat. They rest. They discuss their predicament. And then they make a catastrope. I'm Tim Harford and you're listening to Caution Retails. The End As the calm still night and the moon's pale light Shadows after a year and a half Robert O'Hara Birx sits in the front row of the theatre. He was there last night. He'll be there tomorrow night too. Birx is Irish, a former soldier. Seven years ago he moved to the newly established British Crown Colony of Victoria. Australia wasn't yet a country with states. Birx became superintendent of police in a fast growing Gold Rush town, 70 miles from Victoria's capital, Melbourne. He spends his time chasing horse thieves or quelling trouble from workers on the railway who are disgruntled with their boss. What sort of man was Robert O'Hara Birx, apart from, as it seemed, a theatre lover? He was untidy, says one account. He dressed like a peasant and dribbled saliva down his bushy black beard. But he came from a well connected family, he spoke several languages, and he was quite at ease in the poshest social circles the young colony had to offer. He was a daredevil, eccentric. You might find him galloping his horse madly through swamps and forests, or reading police reports in a bathtub in his yard, wearing nothing but his helmet. He bore grudges. Birx fell out with a magistrate, whose particular bugbear happened to be people swinging on his front gate. Birx could ride 30 miles, just to swing on that gate. And a theatre lover? Not exactly. Birx had fallen head over heels for a young actress. She sang and starred in burlesques and pantomimes, roles like Cupid, the mischievous god of love. When she played in nearby towns, Birx always found an excuse to gallop over. He'd claim there was a promising lead on a gang of horse thieves, when he really just wanted an excuse to watch Julia Matthews. Julia was not, in fact, only just 20. She was still a teenager. Birx was pushing 40. Julia must have been disconcerted that a man twice her age was stalking her from town to town, gazing at doors and doors, and she was still a teenager. She was a teenager. She was a teenager. Her age was stalking her from town to town, gazing adoringly up from a front-row seat, dribbling saliva. Birx proposed marriage. Julia said no. But Birx wasn't discouraged. He bought a piano and hired a teacher to teach him the songs Julia sang. Hour after hour he practiced. With blankets draped around the piano so he didn't wake the neighbour's baby. In Melbourne, meanwhile, the freshly minted Royal Society of Victoria was planning an expedition, from their city in the south to the northern coast. It had never been done before. Ships had sailed round Australia, and explorers from various coastal cities were venturing further inland. But the centre, on a map, remained a ghastly blank. What was there? Just desert? Or was there, as some thought, an inland sea? Could they map a route for a telegraph wire to speed up communication with Europe? Might they find land that was good for pasture? Or more gold? The Society had raised the money for the expedition, but couldn't agree on who should lead it. Ideally, they'd hire an experienced explorer. But no one was available. Or no one from Victoria. The experienced explorers were all from other British colonies elsewhere in Australia. Rivalry was strong. It was a matter of pride to the Royal Society of Victoria that someone from Victoria should cross the country first. They advertised the post and got some unconvincing applicants. One proposed to solve the problem of crossing the desert, by stretching out a very long hosepipe from the last known river. Then a major funder of the project, a railway magnet, suggested someone he'd got to know. Irish, former officer, now a police chief. Very effective at quelling trouble from disgruntled workers. A manly character with determined energy. Eccentric, yes, but from a very good family. Robert O'Hara Burke. Some who knew Burke were astonished at the idea of him crossing Australia. He was the worst bushman I ever met, said one. Another added, he could not tell the North from the South in broad daylight. Burke himself needed no persuading. If I come out successful, I have no doubt but that Julia will accept my offer of marriage. In August 1860, the expedition prepared for departure in a park in Melbourne. It consisted of 19 men, 23 horses, 27 camels and 21 tons of baggage. Burke watched it all being piled on wagons and animals' backs with mounting alarm. He'd somehow lost control of what was being packed. What are we going to do with all this? Who, for instance, decided they'd need 12 sets of dandruff brushes in the outback? They were taking an oak dining table and a gong from China and a boat. A boat on wheels, so it was also a wagon, but a boat nonetheless. They might need one if they encountered an inland sea. Before they set off, Burke had one thing he needed to do. It had a photograph taken and made into a miniature portrait, which he now placed in a locket. He went to see Julia Matthews and again asked her to marry him. This time the teenage actress didn't reject the proposal out of hand. Burke might be 21 years her senior, but if he succeeded, he'd be the most famous man in the land. Wise perhaps to keep her options open? Julia said she'd consider his proposal on his return. For now, she accepted the locket. Caution retails will be back after the break. Robert O'Hara Burke was trying to cross Australia from Melbourne, Victoria in the south to the unmapped north. The journey he'd planned had two stopping off points. About a quarter way up, a few hundred miles north of Melbourne was the last outpost of civilisation. There were tiny settlements on the Darling River, a few houses, a pub and general store. From there, Burke would press on a few hundred miles more to Cooper's Creek, almost half way up the country, the furthest point mapped by any explorer. At Cooper's Creek, he'd establish a camp and a depot. He'd secure his lines of communication back to the outpost on the Darling, and he'd set forth into uncharted territory, a thousand or so miles remaining to a gulf in the north. That was the plan anyway, but then they'd accumulated twenty-one tons of baggage. What are we going to do with all this? As it happened, Burke's despairing question had a sensible answer. For the first leg of the journey, at least, that outpost on the Darling River was served by a paddle steamer. Burke could have shipped most of his supplies up the river and travelled light with the horses and camels that arrived fresh and ready for the push to Cooper's Creek. That would be sensible. Why not do that? Alas, Burke had fallen out with the owner of the Steamboat Company. He insisted on hauling everything overland instead. That was his first catastrophic decision, if you don't count taking the job in the first place. The journey from Melbourne to the Darling could be done in ten days by a messenger on horseback. It took Burke's expedition fifty-six days. In that time of the nineteen-manhood set out, Burke had lost eleven. Either he fired them or argued with them till they quit. He hired five more along the way and lost three of them too. He hired more wagons to help with the baggage at ruinous expense. He kept breaking down as Burke complained in messages to Melbourne. The roads are very bad. He wrote so many checks for wagon repairs that the Royal Society of Victoria's bank account ran dry and the checks began to bounce. Burke finally decided he'd have to dump some supplies. In a small town he held a public auction. Among the stuff he got rid of was their lime juice, which helps prevent scurvy. As we heard about it, another cautionary tale, when limies get scurvy. Scurvy creeps up on you with lack of vitamin C. It starts with aching gums, then slowly rots your body. Burke really shouldn't have ditched the lime juice. As the expedition stuttered on, news reached Melbourne that another explorer from another crown colony was also setting off with the aim of crossing the country first. Members of the Royal Society of Victoria's exploration committee hand anxious letters. My dearest Burke, it will now to a certain extent be a race. I know how exciting this must be to you. The honour of Victoria is in your hands. Oh and the committee were rather alarmed that finding the expense was greater than they anticipated. Burke tried a shortcut to make up time. The wagons sank so deep in sand they had to be dug out with shovels. The horses got so exhausted they simply stopped. After 56 days, Burke and what remained of his expedition staggered towards the handful of houses on the Darling River. They had completed barely a quarter of their outward journey and it should have been the easiest part through land that was already colonised. As they arrived, they watched the Parben General's store unload a new shipment of stock from a paddle steamer. At the outpost on the Darling River, Burke assessed his options. He had fired his second in command so he needed to promote someone. He chose an earnest young Englishman called William Wills. Wills' mum hadn't wanted him to go on this expedition, but as he wrote her Were we born to be locked up in comfortable rooms and never to incur the hazard of mishap? Unlike Burke, Wills was a scientist, a trained surveyor. It was his job to find their way with a compass and by observing the stars at night and to keep meteorological observations. Wills had quite enjoyed the journey so far. Riding on the camels is much more pleasant than I anticipated. I sit on the back portion behind the hump and pack the instruments in front. I can thus ride on, keeping my journal and making calculations. By now, it was late in spring. The summer heat would soon make it dangerous to travel further north. It would be sensible to wait a few months and resume their travels in autumn. Sensible, but Burke was in a race. He decided to split the party up. He'd take the fittest men, horses and camels and a few months' worth of food and press on to Cooper's Creek. In charge of the others, he left. A man he'd met in the pub. Who'd managed a local sheep station and seemed to know what he was doing? Burke sent a letter to Melbourne to explain. I informed him that I should consider him third officer of the expedition, subject to the approval of the committee. In the meantime, I have instructed him to follow me up with the remainder of the camels to Cooper's Creek. But was the man from the pub expected to wait for the committee's approval before he followed up to Cooper's Creek? Burke's instructions, alas, were unclear. When I've talked about civilisation, I've been using quote marks. On the colonial maps, the centre of Australia might have looked like a ghastly blank, but it was, of course, home to ancient civilisations of its own. Near Cooper's Creek lived four main groups of Aboriginal people. They moved around to find food and water, but they knew whose land was whose. And when you visited others' land, there were conventions to follow, much as, I might knock on your door and wait to be invited in. Burke and Wills neither knew nor cared about these conventions. They simply marched straight up to the watering holes with their horses and camels. The Aboriginal people didn't know what to make of these white fellas. They tried to be friendly. Wills was having none of it. A large tribe of blacks came pestering us to go to their camp and have a dance, which we declined. They were very troublesome, and nothing but the threat to shoot will keep them away. The desert heat was stifling. Wills' thermometer showed 109. But they found Cooper's Creek to be teeming with life, fish and birds and trees, though also rats and flies and mosquitoes. On the 6th of December 1860, they set up their camp, like the jolly swagman of Song under the shade of a Kulibar tree. Remember what Burke was supposed to do at Cooper's Creek? Establish a depot, secure his lines of communication back to that outpost on the Darling, and only then explore the uncharted territory to the north. It would have been sensible to wait for the man from the pub to arrive with the rest of the supplies. But Burke was sure he'd be along soon, and anyway, there was a race on. Burke split his party again. He'd push for the northern coast with Wills and two others. In charge of the depot, he left a quiet but capable young German, William Brahe. Burke told Brahe they'd be back in three months. He was taking only three months' worth of food after all. And if Burke wasn't back in three months? Well, he might have found a route to another settlement in another colony. There'd also been vague talk of a ship being sent to meet him at the gulf in the north he hoped to reach. But the man from the pub would have come with more supplies by then, and so Brahe could stay at Cooper's Creek anyway, whatever. It'd be fine. You must not fret. I shall be back in a short time. Cautionary tales will also be back in a short time. In his 1960 book, The Strategy of Conflict, the game theorist Thomas Schelling asks us to imagine a couple who lose each other in a department store. It's 1960, so they can't just call, but the chances are good, says Schelling, that they'll find each other. They'll each think of some obvious place to meet that will obviously be obvious to the other. Schelling calls this a coordination game. Can you coordinate if you can't communicate? You win the game if you give the same answer as the other player. The question, he says, is not, what would I do if I was she, but what would I do if I was she wondering what she would do if she were I wondering what I would do if I was she? The trick is to look for what Schelling calls a focal point in the situation. Different places in the department store will seem obvious to different couples. But we can play coordination games with strangers too. Schelling asks people to imagine they'd been told to meet someone in New York, but not a time or location. Where might they try? In an age when most people arrived by train, many gave Schelling the same answer. By the famous clock at Grand Central Terminal at noon. How do you play the coordination game? Logic helps, says Schelling, but usually not until imagination has selected some clue to work on from among the concrete details of the situation. The problem comes when you're so confident in your own answer, you don't bother to look for a backup plan. In Coopers Creek in April 1861, William Braha wonders how long it's reasonable to keep waiting for Burke, Wills and their two companions. They've been gone for over four months. Maybe they're dead. Maybe they're on a ship back to Melbourne. He has no way to communicate with them. The man from the pub never arrived. Patton's hurt his leg and can't walk. But more worryingly, his gums are bleeding too. Wait much longer and they risk never making it back to civilization at all. They decide to leave on the morning of April 21st. Braha writes a letter, just in case Burke eventually makes it back. He puts the letter in a bottle and the bottle in a chest with as much food as he can spare. He buries the chest. How will Burke know it's there? The focal point for coordination seems obvious. The Koolibar tree, in the shade of which they made their camp. He carves instructions into the tree. He then digs three feet northwest. He adds the date and abandons the camp. That evening, Burke, Wills and one more man, John King, stagger into the camp. The fourth man died. And the three were so weak, it took a whole day to dig his grave. If they hadn't buried him, they'd have been back at Cooper's Creek the day earlier. They try not to think about that. Burke, Wills and King assess their options. Should they follow Braha back along the track towards the outpost on the Darling River? It's hundreds of miles. They'd never make it. But if a search party comes, it would be from that direction. Burke has another idea. The incomplete maps of Australia show another tiny outpost, only 150 miles away along Cooper's Creek. It's called Mount Hopeless. The food from the chest might just be enough for that shorter journey. Burke writes a letter outlining his plans. We proceed on tomorrow, slowly down the creek towards Mount Hopeless. We are very weak. We have all suffered much from hunger. Greatly disappointed at finding the party here gone. We shall move very slowly down the creek. He puts the letter in a bottle, puts the bottle in the chest, and buries it in the same place. The three men briefly discuss whether they should also add a mark to the tree. They decide not to bother. As King lay to explain, We thought the word dig would answer our purpose as well as those. Obviously, if a search party came to the camp, they'd see the word dig and dig up the chest, wouldn't they? Burke, Wills and King spread dung over the chest, so it doesn't look like the ground has been disturbed. They don't want the locals to steal it. They leave the abandoned camp looking almost exactly as they found it. Just 90 miles south of Cooper's Creek, William Braha bumps into the man from the pub, William Wright. So he is making his way from the Darling to Cooper's Creek, just months later than expected. Wright's instructions, remember, were unclear. He'd explained to Braha that he'd assumed he should wait for the Royal Society of Victoria to approve his appointment. Burke's checks had been bouncing. He didn't want to set off until he got explicit assurance that he'd be paid. In Melbourne, the Society's committee assumed there was no rush to confirm Wright's appointment, because he would have set off already. When Wright eventually did set off, his journey was slow because some of his men were suffering from scurvy. Braha and Wright agreed there was no longer any point in lugging the rest of the supplies to Cooper's Creek. They should all now return to the Darling. But they shared a nagging worry. What if Burke had made it back? The ill men could use a few days' rest. Braha and Wright decided to ride together quickly back to Cooper's Creek, just to check. At Cooper's Creek, Braha and Wright see no sign that Burke's been there. The camp looks just like we left it. Braha tells Wright they don't bother to dig up the chest. Obviously, if Burke had put a message there, he would have marked the tree. Burke, Wills and King were moving very slowly down the creek, as their note had said. They were just a day's ride away when Braha and Wright didn't read that note. The task of reaching Mount Hopeless was looking hopeless. The rations are rapidly diminishing. Our clothing, especially the boots, are all going to pieces. The camel is completely done up and can scarcely get along. I suppose this will end in our having to live like the blacks for a few months. But they couldn't live like Aboriginal people. They didn't have the skills to catch fish, or over 60,000 years' worth of accumulated know-how on how to extract nourishment from the local plants. The Aboriginal people tried to be kind, bringing gifts of food. Burke fired his revolver to scare them away. King recalled, He was afraid of being too friendly, lest they should always be in our camp. Burke got his wish. They were left alone to slowly starve. My legs and arms are nearly skin and bone. Burke had learned one noble lesson at least. He told King, It is my wish that you leave me unburied. Wright and Braher made it back to the outpost on the Darling and sent news to Melbourne. Burke was missing. The newspapers were aghast. The Royal Society of Victoria organised a search party and this time found a proper explorer to lead it. They were asked to take a letter with them from Julia Matthews. My dear sir, I dare say you almost forget me, but if you scrape your various reminiscences of the past, you will recollect the laughing and joyous, etc. Cupid, all the citizens in Melbourne join in love to you. Bless your little heart. The search party eventually found a white man living with the Yandere Wanda tribe not far from Cooper's Creek. Who in the name of Wanda are you? I am King, sir, of Burke's exploring expedition. Where is he and Will's? Deed. Both Deed, long ago. After Burke and Will's expired, John King had understood that only friendliness could save him. The news of Burke's death reached Melbourne and the news from King that they actually had made it to the north. Not quite as far as the ocean, but to impenetrable mangroves where the water was salty and moved with the tide. That's close enough. And the news that they might have made it home if only Braha had stayed one day longer. Burke was a hero, a tragic fallen hero. As the city mourned, a young woman went to a newspaper to place an ad in the Lost and Found column. Lost in the botanical gardens yesterday afternoon, a gold bracelet with carbuncle in centre and miniature. The finder will be handsomely rewarded. The newspaper reported the story behind the ad. The miniature portrait lost by Julia Matthews was of none other than Robert O'Hara Burke. Yes, this star of the stage was the fallen hero's sweetheart. Hmm. Pat Julia really lost Burke's gift, or had she spied an opportunity for publicity? If it was a stunt, it was cynically brilliant. Robert O'Hara Burke made one catastrophic error after another. He overpacked, he ditched the lime juice, he gave unclear instructions, he didn't plan for contingencies, and he failed to appreciate that aboriginal people had skills he lacked. Yet he still might have been saved if he had played a better game of what would I do if I were he, wondering what would he do if he were I. To brah her and write, marking the tree was so obvious that they didn't bother to check the chest. To Burke and Wills, checking the chest was so obvious that they didn't bother to mark the tree. Playing the coordination game, says Thomas Schelling, takes both logic and imagination. Burke and Wills were undone by a failure of both. For a full list of our sources, see the show notes at timharford.com. The collection retails is written by me, Tim Harford, with Andrew Wright, Alice Fiennes, and Ryan Dilly. It's produced by George Mills and Marilyn Rust. The sound design and original music are the work of Pascal Wise. Additional sound design by Carlos San Juan at Brain Audio and Dan Jackson. Ben Naddaf Haferi edited the scripts. It features the voice talents of Melanie Gutteridge, Genevieve Gaunt, Stella Harford, Masea Monroe, Jamal Westman, and Rufus Wright. The show also wouldn't have been possible without the work of Jacob Weisberg, Greta Kohn, Eric Sandler, Carrie Brody, Christina Sullivan, Keira Posey, and Owen Miller. Cautionary Tales is a production of Pushkin Industries. If you like the show, please remember to share, rate, and review. It really does make a difference to us. And if you want to hear it, add free and receive a bonus audio episode, video episode, and members only newsletter every month, why not join the Cautionary Club? To sign up, head to patreon.com. 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