For All Mankind - S05E03 - Home

Is that would that be feel satisfying if like for all mankind started off of like hey everything's just gonna be better and then at the end of the series are like well actually If we don't watch it mankind can can can fuck things up for all mankind as well as they can do things good for all mankind Do you think that's the thesis would that be satisfying or would would would it utopian be to Pollyanna Welcome to hi Bob Balmous officially unofficial podcast for for all mankind on Apple TV plus. I'm Jim. I'm a run And we are back for season five episode three. It's titled home I think we can kind of all guess why Aeron what do you think of the final episode? I don't call the final episode that we'll ever see Ed Baldwin in but Certainly the man is done He has slipped the surly bonds of earth and I don't know slapped God in his face with Gordo I was surprised at how emotional I got at the end of this because you know first of all our IP to the Ed Baldwin old man of for all mankind Universe theory There's not enough not enough protogen and all of our proto molecule and all of Titan to save him at this point And you know it's it's sad that you know there's it's even even the the bootlickers are lamenting you know everyone's lamenting the fact that Mars seems like it's going to be More the usual bullshit on earth maybe with less democracy and representation and rights which is you know great But yeah honestly it's it's it's the show took the majority of its time saying goodbye to Ed. I found the The framing device of him being shot down over Korea and you know all the people who kind of got him to his place in life with the symmetry with the things with the later and what Alex is probably feeling and then You know fucking Gordo shows up to do the walk for their Gemini mission and they're getting all applauded and like I was already getting weeping and Karen shows up and as much as I As much as I didn't like late stage Karen and all of the kind of fallout that that brought You know at one point her and Ed were in love and happy and they had a pretty they had a beautiful young boy who tragically died and I sometimes forget about that but him getting to be reunited with everybody As a metaphor for heaven I thought was pretty damn good and made me ugly cry in a way I wasn't expecting but that's that's old man Ed man he he's an explorer and he's entering the last undiscovered country what about you Jim Yeah I think this is the best for all mankind episode in recent memory I I think there's Ed is a tough guy to love sometimes but man when you just sort of encapsulate his life into a single episode to a series of photos sitting on a mantle And think about all the things that that man has done and how who he is has sort of pushed him in that direction just relentless I mean the guy is relentlessly an adventurer and a No mad right he's a maverick he's a guy who just like does what Ed is going to do and sometimes that's going to clash with you know his family and his coworkers and the people he loves the people he hates but Man if that life didn't result in just some of the most important moments of the entire history of the for all mankind world and seeing it just all kind of laid out here through through this like like you said this framing device of like telling us Like who who he is and who he has always been you know it's not like Ed ever changed he has been old man Ed from the very beginning from the day he got shot down in Korea So I don't know I found everything in this episode really beautiful especially the stuff where it comes back to you know his children and grandchildren. And all of those moments were just like pure perfection it's Ed being you know a fun guy, it's Ed being a curmudgeon and an asshole, it's Ed being you know stubborn and also extremely loving like so much of what he does the frustrates family and friends is meant from love it comes from a place of love wanting what's best for him. For hard to relate like I imagine it's really hard to relate to your grandchild who you know is playing beach video games on Mars and racing his electric motorcycle when maybe a couple years older than him you got shot down in Korea and got yeah you know had to run through life saw your wingman or maybe your radar officer I'm not sure exactly what their relationship is get shot and also like politically this may you know every time people get frustrated with Ed being a crusty old man I'm like well yeah he was born in 1931 he fought the communist his whole life like the cold war never ended that kind of rivalry and you know he's got some hypocrisy. To him show me a person that doesn't but yeah I mean this isn't the episode the bitch about Ed Baldwin. No he's complex but you know he's he's a he's a rock to a lot of people and he's also just a hell of an adventure and explore I was wondering because like now I'm thinking who of the old guard is still left. It's Margot and I don't I don't include a later as the old guard if you were like 12 years old when the first season was in the know you get to sit down but we've got like Margot and maybe good Danny Daniel pool probably if she's even going to be a part of the show anymore yeah. I'm just saying like I've like this is a major moment because and I also thought and I thought I was really gonna get weepy I actually thought they're gonna have Margot go at the same time. You know that they were like that she had now that the late is done and she's probably not going to be doing much off the books work for Helios and she's got no right maybe she would just I don't give up her life or something but she's not as old as Ed maybe. Let me ask you this what do you think about transferring the old man a for all mankind theory gender bending it and flipping it to Margot Margot as old woman a for all mankind theory. Yeah I mean you gotta keep some powder dry for the end of this series and like you're saying Margot is literally the only one left at this point that's still active on the show so yeah she's gotta be she's gotta be around till the end of this but man she seems like she's gonna be sidelined there is no plot for her in this season without a later. There is nothing on earth that I give a shit about now except for maybe a latest daughter but only in a so much as I care about a later and I think that like that could be a lot of messy drama that like oh my god something have certain age daughter and. Is it my fault should I done you know this this whole thing repeating and and the other thing. That I guess I was starting to see from a storytelling perspective as you talk about Ed and what a great life he's lived you know that this that is a man who you can safely say has left his mark not just on. People's lives but on history you know. And yet and he's been encouraging his you know kind of slacker grandson Alex to make his mark. And I feel like this episode is putting a lot of pressure on that young man's shoulders in a very explosive political domestic situation. And I'm hoping. Because because I think about another character who had a bunch of potential rested on his shoulders and felt like they had a huge amount of pressure to carry the family name and I'm thinking of bad Danny. Of course. And a lot of ways that that those pressures fucked him up and set him up to fail and become like the worst version of who he could have been otherwise. And I'm like God they're not going to do that with Alex are they we're not going to be we need to we need another Alex we can decide who's going to be good and who's going to be bad number one. But number two like I just that feels feels like shit I hope I hope he rises to the occasion whatever the occasion is going to present on Mars I don't think it's going to be a great occasion but I hope he rises to it in some way. Yeah we'll see I mean he's going to be without his mother without his grandfather so he's going to be under the tutelage of who dev at this point I guess potentially a mile as that's like a surrogate father but. Yeah I guess that if if mile and maybe miles can get a little bit of because because maybe miles needs a bit more backbone maybe miles is for sure he's going to be backed off by Palmer and and Alex can give him a little bit of a Baldwin Baldwin backbone. Maybe but you're right I when you said dead as a dev as his mentor I'm like shit they just set it up with the motorcycle totally. Yeah and do you is dev the man you want yammering in Ed Baldwin's grandson's ear. The answer to that is I don't know I can't tell right yeah this guy is such a snake is probably too harsh a term but he's such an enigma I just don't. Because because he's really sweet and kind in this scene with Alex and and I'm like yes that's the kind of mentor he needs to sort of you know propel him forward but not maniacally so but then there's right the dev of politics who's throwing people under the bus and. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know and I might sometimes agree and here's the I think we nailed this last week because sometimes I agree with with dev and what he wants to do in his philosophies and how he's trying to go about it. But like at the end of the day I don't think any of those ideals or hopes or dreams constrain him at the end of the day it's going to be what's best for dev. And what dev thinks is best for humanity and that is all he really cares about so great ally to have if your goals are aligned in your path. And if you're pushing in the same direction because also I got to just spin on the dime and abandon all those things that made you good allies because he wants to get you know another block built on maroo or whatever. I just don't. Yeah I don't I don't know where this I don't think this guy's got any principles that are kind of grounded in bedrock to keep on hinting that he has like he's got family who's had all this connection to community and. You know he had all this high minded ideas of how to run a company but we saw this this show has taught us how that like they show his dev setting these structures up and like well no one's above this and no but then a second that everyone someone has a different idea from him then it's like oh well we don't really mean that everything can be decided by this that at the other because in the day I'm the one who owns the company and so yeah he could be great for it for for Alex he could be terrible for Alex but who else is on this base that he'll listen to other than Lily and maybe Dale. Or I'm yeah yeah I don't know at the same time like I don't really want to follow the wing of miles because miles is so corrupted by his fear I guess. You can say the same thing about miles as you did dev right like what are his principles and when pushed to the ultimate I mean miles is his family over everything yeah so hopefully Alex's goals align well with the Dale family if you're going to. I mean they probably will lilies you know his I don't know his untold crush at this point and they've been friends forever I assume they're gonna be like warm very warm hug and called her babe I noticed this episode. Oh yeah we'll see where that goes but yeah I it feels like a natural fit like just falling as like the sort of weird not son of miles and dev I guess miles can be the fear dev can be the ambition we'll see which one wins I don't know that probably just confused him even more. True true but it's exciting. Shall we take this episode home. Yeah we'll talk about the boys definitely get there because I really liked boy this episode too but. Alright season five episode three of home begins with Ed fighting for his life in a Martian medical facility. Meanwhile his brain is remembering the time he was shot down over Korea and his life before he was an astronaut. Meanwhile we get a news montage about the brazen Martian escape of you do not Lee who is being sheltered by the ISN as all tensions rise among M six members as Indian pack of Pakistan rattlesabers over a radium. A lot happening is cold open. Yeah I paused and looked at this map because we were very confused by like what is the ISN why would Lee run there what's the point of that. Turns out North Korea is not part of the ISN I got that impression from the opening montage of episode one North Korea was in fact part of that but if you look at the map that they put up in this episode in the shadings of the different countries North Korea is not in that. Interesting so because ISN is the independent space faring nations. And North Korea is not in the M six because they used to be when it was the M seven and I. Yeah that's what they've been talking about with his unique standing the fact that like North Korea is like persona non grata in the international space community like nobody wants them seems like it even China even China's like fuck off. I guess so. Yeah I wrote that a bunch of the countries I could identify there in each and the M six has grown I guess I don't know it's no longer six. We don't want any or Jews. Is that how they call it. I forget the particular brand of communism. A spouse by the North Koreans but we don't need your Jews struggle in our cosmonauts man. Interesting. Yeah but you know this is showing Lee is like this political football to be passed around or a chip to be played and wagered at some point. She also the other thing about this is that. You know like the more things changed more things like we talked about mostly good things geopolitically that have happened because ironically enough the Cold War. The Soviet Union beaten us to the moon and the Cold War raging for decades after it did in our world. But one of those is yeah Indian Pakistan at each other's throats that it seems like that India has done a lot of develop what they are one of the in six nations so they got in at the to the feeding trough early and now they're outpacing economically Pakistan because of the iridium investments in their technology sector and. You know it's like iridium didn't make Pakistan and India regional antagonists but it's exacerbating whatever tensions are there and I know there's all kinds of cultural religious territorial colonial shit that's that's caused those tensions but but they're there and I wonder if now we're further enough along in the for all mankind future where they're going to like some of the things that we've seen in earth are just going to revert to the mean you know like solving global warming having cheaper energy getting space access to things like your is not the panacea for the whole for the whole world. Yeah I can see it I mean it's it's taking a turn politically right you had the gore years where he was able to do do apparently some good on the yeah environmental front but now we've got a different president and that president now we're flagged very much yeah stoking fires rather than putting them out. And it's also I also that we've got to meet the new ISN commander Jean Waugh and they're accusing them of you know M6 of persecution political prisoners I mean I guess that's the thing the other thing is like. Do you think there's such a thing as moral standing in nations like you know like when you go to the UN and say hey we think this country is violating human rights do you think that means more coming from other countries than others and if so I guess why. I think I. I don't know morals and trustworthiness are two different things because I'm thinking a lot about like the trustworthiness of certain nations like when they say something to have a track record that makes that. Well it's like you know like or like you know through the United States civil rights struggle that's one thing that the Soviet bloc was always hammering us on it's like oh you talk about you know political freedoms and social freedoms but you have like you know a huge swath of your own population that you've got living in some kind of apartheid bullshit. And that's fractures that they were able to exploit so it's like you know I always think it's a little rich when you know country like China comes up and it's like oh you guys are keeping political dissonance of prisons like that but it's like also. It's only rich because there's there was a delta there was a difference between the two countries. If the United States is complicit in stripping all these Martian workers of their rights and their rights to free trial their rights to free just free speech all that kind of stuff and like what moral standing does anyone have to say anything in any kind of government you know more. Centralized government you know United Nations M6 whatever and I feel like that might be the story here is that the M6 countries whatever moral standing they had they're losing it. Yeah I mean I regardless of whether you think that holds any sway on the politicians I think publicly. That yeah it can be good it can be useful as a tool but the thing I really hate about this kind of stuff is the grandstanding that happens the like. I know that you don't care as much about this thing as you're saying you do but it's politically you know advantageous for you to play it up as much as possible and it just feels so disingenuous that's I know that's the constant vibe I get out of these type of press conferences. Although I mean I don't know more and more I guess I'm missing even platitudes from politicians saying the right thing. Fair enough. Yeah because yeah like that's the thing it's like yeah it's like I don't think the politicians believe it but if the people believe it and the politicians are saying that and they still believe the people believe it and that does constrain their behavior because ultimately in the democracy the people are the ones who make the decisions but yeah. I don't know. Like for all mankind's been a little bit more optimistic and I know that the show runners have been touting that coming into this season but I wonder if we're about to get more morally grain ambiguous as we enter because I guess that would be. Yeah. Would that be feel satisfying if like for all mankind started off of like hey everything's just going to be better and then at the end of the series are like well actually if we don't watch it mankind can can can fuck things up for all mankind as well as they can do things good for all mankind. Do you think that's the thesis would that be satisfying or would would would it utopian be too Pollyanna. I don't know. I'm a little worried that the show is is right when they talk about Boyd trying to run to Mars because everything can start over and be better and no it's just as fucked up here too. I'm a little worried that that is true that there is no way to escape our nature our worst nature. Yeah. And that is always going to corrupt everything but I don't know it's a particularly bad time to be answering these types of questions. So yeah. Yeah. You know I'd like to think that the show will end on a fairly positive note. That would be nice but we'll see we'll see we'll see what happens. Anyway let's move on to the Martian peacekeeper commandant Palmer. He is apologizing to cover a poly polyvon off of the Lee escape or for the Lee escape. The governor promises that a Palmer cannot maintain control then they're both done politically I guess I don't think they're going to be executed but you never know. Speaking morally gray afterwards Polyvon off stratified strategizes with his wife on how to regain control. He's in political control of the situation and Palmer takes a meeting with Boyd where we find all about her checkered past of fucking things up all over the solar system with her hunches and her gut feelings and her probably women's intuition. Palmer didn't say that but you know he's thinking it. Yeah. Yeah he wants to be a. That's Lee and the governor dude wants to become president so he thought let's leave the planet. Let's go to Mars. Let's fix things up here. I mean that people do that. Like speaking of in disingenuous bullshit I do I got I hate the people who map out their careers and be like why by this I need to do this and then I want to of course I want to be president some days so I got to have some governor got to get some executive experience. I'm like damn it seems like the wrong way to go about politics that you're just doing all this public service is just a means to an end for power instead of checking boxes. Public service. Yeah. And I don't know like what's your appetite for like an underwood situation. I'm referring to House of Cards. You know I think Bill Bowell. Willamans done some writing on this show as well. What do you think about having like a power or an evil Russian power couple running Mars at this fragile time. I mean I guess I'll see what they're going to do with it because so far it doesn't interest me in really any way at all. But I'm sure it's going to crash with the rest of the Martians that I do care about and then it'll it'll be something to consider but for now who cares. I mean they're brand new characters. Yeah. It's a brand new character attached to a brand new character that we barely got to know so. And it will intersect. I mean at some point Dave and him are going to cross paths and butt heads I'm sure there would be miles mixed up in the whole thing and it would. Yeah. I'm sure it'll get good. We just need to see where it goes. Yeah. Also this information on Boyd I thought is interesting because I've kind of I don't know. I kind of thought Boyd was just a robot. You know she's like yeah it's like the Cyril guy from Andor. You know he wasn't necessarily pro empire but he is pro law and order and he's pro people you know doing playing their part in civilization and society and and you know. Doesn't see the system and how it can fail and brutalize people and I felt like she was that but maybe she was so by the book because it's she's been burned before because we don't know it. We don't know a lot about this but we know that back on earth when she was a police officer she talked her immediate supervisor into some sort of investigation that went outside police procedure involved undercover work and got a police officer killed in the line of duty and that was what Palmer's throwing her face like oh you want me to go along on one of your hunches and back all this stuff why don't you shut the fuck up and get and get back to work. Hmm. But that might explain why she's a bit by the book she's like fucked up got sent to Mars and it's like I'm just going to you know marching a line salute the right people and do my job and not think too much about things because thinking is how I get in trouble. You feel like that's the shape of this character. Yeah, I don't know. I'm the read I'm getting on her is that based on what she says she kind of came to Mars intentionally to get away from, you know, business as usual with the cops which is, you know, corruption and laziness and just like yeah, an unwillingness to actually pursue justice which is like their job to serve and protect. And she's very much on that train she wants to be a part of the thing that she signed up for which is to serve and protect people. But she just hasn't found a place where she can do that because the system is not set up to actually do that it's set up to, you know, do 100 other things and as cheaply and quickly as possible. Right. It's not set up to protect and preserve the same things that we might think of citizens. And they've done such a good job with her because it can be really hard to create a person inside of an organization that is corrupt that you don't feel like. Why are you contributing to this and I I don't feel that with her I feel like she's trying to push it in a better direction. But she just doesn't have power to do so. So I instinctually liked her at the very beginning she seemed smart she seemed capable sort of dedicated to her job in a way that other people weren't. And I'm feeling that ever more every single episode so excited to see where she goes. You're listening to Hi Bob will be right back. Hi Bob welcome back to more for all mankind. While Ed is fighting for his life in the med bay Kelly finds out what he's been hiding from her that he's dying from late stage cancer and is also refusing all treatments. Meanwhile, she's worried because Alex is missing in action. Yep he gets the news to he's standing there first and then the doctor starts talking about what's going on with that and then he bolts. Yeah. Yeah and Kelly is going to be like reacting to this for the next 40 minutes or whatever the runtime of the episode is from here out just right. Does can't deal with it and of course I mean he's going to hide this. We'll we'll see like when he wakes up and Kelly starts like pawing at him or whatever and he's like this is exactly why I didn't tell you. But it's not it's not because he doesn't want to be fussed over it's it there's a lot more to it than that I think agreed. We'll get there. A later might meanwhile back at prison confides the Margo that somehow courage and new about their findings of potential life on Titan. Margo tells her the only way she could possibly beat them to the search for life is by pulling the old sojourners ship out of Martian mothball. And the only way that will work if as a late is there to personally supervise the refitting from ours. Yeah. Of course they found out. I mean I expected you know how they did that smash cut earlier in the season where they're like OK just keep this between us two right. Whatever you do. Boom immediately. I expected them to do that with this news as well. They didn't. But of course they found out. You think Margo is right that there's a spy. I did like that funny. Oh well that's never happened before and Margo is like sketched out to her. I mean what's the difference between a spy and a leak. Right. A leak is just someone who works for you until they decide to give information away. That's true. Because I don't know that Margo was ever well she didn't start off a spy. She started off trying to help Sergey with his space program because ostensibly they were partners. You know allies. Then the politics got in the way. Politics got in the way. Love got in the way. CI age or KGB agents got in the way. I guess the question is do have we met the person who's giving information away. Whether they're a spy or a leaker. Do we know anybody inside this operation other than Aleda and this other mission control guy. The latest daughter. She's trying to sell Helios intelligence for her a better car. She's tired of driving her hoop. I can probably get an escalate out of this at least. Probably. Probably take curbs a lot better. My God. I would. I'd be like you know what young lady maybe get a new car when you learn to respect the one you've got. There you go. But the idea. Where are you on the idea that you can pull sojourner out of mothball and I was prepared to be like oh well it's been on Mars you know the weather. It's dry. You know there are a lot of you have to worry about corrosion and things like that. It's a much more you know sterile environment. But they go to great pains to show us that this thing has essentially been put up on blocks and stripped for parts. That's the thing. I was with you until I saw the state of it and I'm like no way. This is faster. This is faster than squeezing out another 5% from the fusion engines or whatever. But right. Yeah. I guess so. I don't know. It's an exciting hook though for the rest of the season right like we're going to take this crusty ass shuttle back into space. And also I imagine it was a big budget win because they don't have to build another fucking starship set up. They just have to. True. They have to pull the sets out of mothballs. And spruce that stuff up too. But yeah it's efficient. But we'll see. And also it's like it seems like Margo. She's like I don't know. Do you think that Margo. Nah that's dumb. I don't even want to say it. It's like a joke. Maybe I'll have to reframe it as a joke. Do you think Margo is wholesale wanting a lady to go take this thing out of mothballs on Mars because secretly she wishes she had a family. And someone that cared about her. And she's trying to sabotage. Damn. She's like I want I want an old prison lady buddy. You gotta you gotta somehow find a way to betray your country if not the entire world up in Mars so you can join me in a federal pin. I think she's hoping that a lady will take that thing fly it down over the prison and bust her out. Bust her out. Yeah drop a rope down. Yeah you know as a hard time standing up against a fusion engine prison cinder blocks and prison walls it just melts them. I am curious to see who the spy is. I wonder if man I've also got this theory that maybe dev. Is. Thinking post political post corporate and like he. Doesn't even have Helios's best interest at heart that he's like I'm I'm I'm I'm running a Martian Empire I don't know what the fuck Helios has to do with that. And I wonder if he to secure certain rights. Because he saw talking about like how he had to do all these complicated political deals to keep things going I wonder if it's going to turn out that like maybe dev is the one that sold them out. Like okay I don't give a shit about life. I want to build my habitat here. Okay. So I'll trade you my team search for life. If you. Withdraw your blah blah blah from this other thing. I don't know. Because that's the thing he's a he's a cowboy. Yeah I mean I this is connecting any way to what's going on with Kergan because on Mars actually like the containers are coming in at night and the non union workers and. Because like. Can dev really not know about that. Like how could how could you how could you keep dev from knowing what's in a cargo manifest. Like he wants to like I mean I'm sure you can not give him permissions to it but like seeing as he is. Like the big. Is he the most powerful person on Mars maybe the Martian governor. It's probably dev. I feel like if you wanted if you wanted to know he could know so if he doesn't know it's because he's willfully ignorant or because he's in on it at least that's my. Prejudice analyzing the situation. Yeah I don't know we'll find out. Martian peacekeepers are harassing old ladies and pulling people off the street willy nilly left and right. Speaking of willy nilly Lily and Lee's wife not moon to misread on how things how bad things on Mars are getting and how it's starting resembling. North Korea Alex then shows up where he is greeted by Lily but deflects all questions about his poppy does not want to talk about it. Probably distracted by the hug. Yeah it's interesting to see the people who are you know bought into the idea of a new Mars and everything's going to be different. You have some of the cops you got all these craters coming up thinking this is going to be a new life for us. And here it is everything is just happening the way it happened before. Got a new slur for the for the other side woodpeckers. Yeah I like it. It's I think it's because first of all you know peckerwood all that kind of stuff you've got a natural kind of authoritarian demand like you know pecker peckerwood peckerhead all that kind of stuff and then also they look like what they get red they get red heads they're Pylated woodpeckers. Okay peacekeeper the P the P K's it kind of peck it's it's it's it's it's a good it's a good slur honestly both crater both crater and peckers is pretty good slurs for what they are they're still slurs but they're pretty good ones more creative than most craters I like because I just instinctively you know you can you can put that together one plus one but they're coming in crates Mars is full of craters. Yeah. The other comment about this though is Lily to Alex it's crazy how much your grandfather saw this coming. More people should have listened. And I think like the framing device here really works too because like you see Ed he's in this Korean War but you think about the time he grew up in right Korean Wars in the 50s. He's in his 20s here. He lived through the rise and fall of the Nazi regime. This is a man who deeply understands the threat of fascism. And you know then you look at the people on Mars who have like come up here escaping things like North Korea and the regime there. And they kind of understand it but none of these kids do none of and a lot of the workers who came you know initially to work on Mars probably don't understand it very well either because they were living in a democratic society for the vast majority of them. Yeah. Yeah. Sure the Russians understand a little bit better the Soviets rather. Right. And I know like you know you can quibble about all propaganda this propaganda that but I think what what Jim's getting at is like yeah you how could you grow up in the 30s and 40s and not have a certain view about like authoritarianism and things you know even if there's some of the stuff was laid on a little thick by Central Central command and whatnot like yeah that's that's the no good Nazi Germany whoo whoo no good not a good place to live not even for Nazis towards the end turns out because it's a self defeating ideology but yeah I like that there is that kind of personal thing and then also it's like you got to think that like whatever people thought about Mars and the sons of daughters of Mars I bet that membership is swelling right now. Yeah at the same time they're trying to demonize them right like yep this lea's was pinned on all of the SDM and like it's kind of their fault they did do it sort of but Ed was the real. Yeah and this failure imagination because like if you had I mean I don't know everybody's like telling it's funny because everybody's like loves telling Ed what are you going to do it. You know what are you going to do old man Admiral you've already called in and Ed's like OK hold my beer I'll fucking steal a hopper and break a dude out of prison and deliver him to a non extradition extradition based on Mars like well this is what my. Apparently my life I might be headed. You were OK with this political fallout right you're OK with like pissing everyone on Mars off just so you can make the people in Russia and or whoever happy so you can further your political career well now this is happening and now if you crack down even more every person every person you arrest is probably going to get four more people join in the sons and daughters of Mars because you rest grandma you're going to piss off the sons and daughters and the grandsons and granddaughters so. Yeah boy I would hate to be the Jean d'Arme trying to maintain order over an increasingly corrupt and inequitable system really really would hate to be that guy Palmer. Meanwhile Ed continues to dream about North Korea and his buddy Barnhill that helped him in his escape I guess it wasn't North Korea it's just Korea back then. Yeah but he was shot by the enemy right in front of Ed something traumatic to happen to him I wonder if that yeah that feeling of helplessness is a lot of like went winning to making the adult dead he wakes struggling as Kelly tries to get him on experimental radiation therapy but he is not having it to put it mildly. Yeah he says you know I'm just trying to help you he says okay leave me alone. So thing Ed is an incredibly independent person as well like he does not want to accept an ounce of help from anyone believes he's capable of absolutely anything he puts his mind to including I don't know. Not dying I feel like he doesn't he doesn't really come to terms with the mortality of this situation until like the end of this episode. So he's literally drawing his last breaths. What do you mean by that because like I remember I don't remember what season help us in this subject. Yeah he's always like I don't know I guess it's the bar scene the bar scene is the one scene where I think Ed finally goes like look we all know this is the end. Let's just stop pretending it isn't. Well I remember in an earlier season he I can't remember his two or three where he was talking about I believe his Gordo's father dying of cancer and he was just like big you know impressive guy the male authority figure in Ed's life and that he you know Waste away of cancer and it took everything from him and all that. So it's like that's in the back of my mind. I see this scene of him being helpless to save this guy getting shot. And then I see Kelly wanting him to essentially go on where she's telling it your body is not going to like this. It's an experimental treatment. It's going to be Hell. hell. But like and he's like, I'm in my eighties. I walked a moon. I walked. I've walked a surface of three worlds. How many people can even say that in this in this universe in this this day? You know, in the farm. And it's like, I don't want to spend the last six months of my life hooked up a bunch of machines feeling like shit. Like I'm done. Like, like if this could give me 15 years more life, maybe. But you'd have to found life in a crater for last 11 years. Kelly, what the fuck have you been doing? No, I. So I don't know. I'm I think it's shitty. Like when people like Walt, you know, Walter White decided to go off meds in their forties and early fifties and are leaving behind family and dependent. And like, there's there's chance to live. But like an 80 year old man is like, no, fuck chemotherapy. I 100 percent understand that. Oh, yeah. I mean, the chemo is probably as likely to kill him as the cancer is at this point. So, yeah. And I've had a family and loved ones in that position where I've been. The person had been like, why are we trying to, you know, why are we wanting grandpa to fight this? Like Jesus, yeah, for sure. I feel that. He's also just so stubborn. Well, there's that. And I feel like Joel Kinneman's old man performance is getting better every season. Yeah. It's it's very much helped by the makeup is so much better. His makeup this season is so much more convincing. But the way he wakes up in this scene, I just I can feel. I don't know. There's something about this performance is just spot on with a guy who is too stubborn to die, but his body's too sick to live. And like, I don't know. And it's telling that character. It's telling that his mind is processing his daughter's attempts to save him is as like being entangled, being he's trying to escape. He's trying to escape the situation because what does that got to look forward to? But life in prison, you know, if anything, he's trying to he's trying to escape. He just got shot down over enemy territory. He's trying to get out. And she is the thorn bush that's trying to pull him back while the, you know, the commies are trying to get him. It's actually really interesting and deep in the symbolism. If you want to go that on that route with Ed, which, you know, I like it enough, I'm inclined to. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff that like I get like, you know, God, how many how many how many times watching drama am I going to hear a family member go up to a doctor and be like, why didn't you tell me about it? And there's like, well, it's patient confidentiality. But like I got my nine hundredth and thirty seventh interaction like that, where Kelly, a very smart person who knows the answer already has to be told by Dima. But yeah, your dad's an adult and can make decisions for his own life. Also, I knew your dad was doing space shit with your dad while you were still getting pigtails in school. Like, come on, Kelly. That's the real thing. Like, you know, HIPAA is one thing. But when you're talking about the Ed doctor relationship, it's very much like I respect this man. I don't want to violate his confidence. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I saw this man strap you to a rocket cone to save you and your baby's life. Like, come on now. Like that wasn't medically advisable either, Kelly. True. But I don't know. I do wonder because Kelly's talking about all these nanoparticles and this NASA based research into cancer, and you'd think that that would be something that because we know that astronauts, as we understand it, and they haven't been nearly as much in space as they are in the for all mankind, like they have significantly increased lifetime cancer risks because of the time they spend above all of the shielding that we get for free, living on this awesome planet for us. It would make sense that NASA would be doing a lot of stuff publicly funded to try to like innovate on cancers and stuff, especially we are. We also know that like with the Dutch guy and Molly, like, you know, that was a direct. I bet there's a lot of research and it's just it's it's too bad because I do feel like we were like one season away from realizing the old man Ed theory. But sure. I also thought it was telling their, you know, they're telling a story about the Martian peacekeepers and the civilians. This guy who's guarding Ed's thing, who comes in, he comes in with a stated goal of helping Kelly calm Ed down. But then he starts with this cop shit and like, you know, trying to restrain him. And she's like, just just let me handle it. As soon as he leaves, Ed immediately calms down. This guy had an attitude about it, though. And then I noticed when like Kelly was walking out of the room, he kind of looked at her and rolled his eyes. I go, fucking, that's. That's a crazy attitude to have to come in into the situation like, hey, can I help? Yeah, you can help by leaving and be like, fucking bitch. But I don't know. I see that there's a there's I see a little bit of that with with with with law enforcement here on earth and it's it's unfortunate. Hmm. Try to deescalate, especially when you're involving an 80 year old space hero. Yeah, he's a Gary. He's he's literally there to keep Ed in that room. Things are getting weird. Yeah, I get it. I'm just saying these are not these. These are not the wet blankets you want in charge of a powder keg. That's, you know, it's all natural. I'm saying like it's perfectly natural to be inhuman to be upset by that kind of thing. Yeah, but you're carrying a gun. You're in a professional arms. You don't get to be emotional about people offending your egos and your feefies. But that's just my opinion, man. Aleda with her family at home is frustrated with trying to coordinate the sojourner refit from earth. Surprisingly gets broad support from her family to just go to Mars, actually, mom. Will forage your mail. Can you leave tonight? I've got your bags packed. They are they are excited that Aleda is going to be away from earth for a while. Yeah, daughter. I get it. Look, she doesn't have much. Fun stuff going on with her mom right now. They're kind of at at odds most of the time. Her husband is probably just like, look, you need a break. Like, I don't ever see you anyway. You're always at work. And when you're at home, you're still working like. All the time about how you can't do anything from here. So because I do think despite that he's I think he's a good husband. And I think he loves her and supports her in her mission. And now that both the kids are about grown and done, he's like, yeah, you got to go to Mars. That's pretty fucking dope. Of course. Great guy. Yeah. No, I don't think this is like, yes, we hate you, Aleda. Please leave. I think this is just, you know, a daughter being a daughter in that age and a husband who sees a wife who needs a break from same old thing. And the husband again, in the word, he's trying to talk a late off to Cliff about her daughter not seeing her off. He's like, you know, you just can't take this place. All right. Yeah. When you're dealing with teenagers, you just can't take a personal. They're just there's an unstable nuclear reactor of emotions and feelings and self conceptions and identity and hormones. And I remember what is like, it sucked. Don't want to go back there. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. Boyd is discussing the mystery Kurrigan cargo with her partner, Fred, who I got to say, doesn't seem super invested in the case. Meanwhile, Lily and Gulsora are picked up for protesting and thrown in Martian jail, protesting, parentheses, spray painting, graffiti on the governor's mansion. But still. I don't know. We need to be throwing people in jail for that. And, you know, she's screaming about her rights the whole time. And I'm like, do they actually have rights on Mars? I don't know what the charter here is. I don't know what documents they've got. How do they have American passports? Like because it blows my mind that they would be like, this isn't America. And then like, then what the fuck is it? If like the M6 compact does not have like at least bare minimum political governments of political. But I guess maybe I don't know. Maybe if you you're getting in bed with other societies that are not as outwardly free, that you have to make compromises like that. Let's like, well, can we all agree that we're not going to let them have free speech? Right. I mean, like because astronauts don't have free speech. But I mean, I don't know what official organization it falls under, aside from the M6. I mean, it. Do did they even bother to set this up as like a sovereign nation? Because if they didn't, it's just like a corporate structure. And you don't get any rights under a corporate structure. I guess. But this is like a slap to the face of the founding fathers, I think, because I was taught in school that these rights were actually inalienable. And you possess them as a free human being, whether your government wants to recognize them or not, you still have them. So for this, this is a piece of it. And it would be like all intents and purposes. I know. But like I'm saying like this guy, this guy who's bringing them in and saying this ain't America, you don't got any rights is an American. So he should believe that everyone, whether it's expressed or not, you know, should have, but he doesn't because. He's bought in on the Mars mission. He wants to. Yeah, he wants devs vision to come true. I don't know. I legitimately don't know. And I don't think they're going to get that deep into the structure of the Martian set up here. I think that's like that shallowness is a kind of depth of showing that like most people, like with the Fred and this other guy, they just they're just doing their job, man. And your their job is and you're making their job annoying and harder. And they're going to hate you for it. And if they have power and not enough checks and balances on it, they'll start killing you for it, you know. And they're going to have one less check and balance now that it's gone. That's the unfortunate part. I I want to see who steps into that sort of potster. I don't want to call it a potster. He's he's a fighter for justice. He's a shit. So what he thinks is right. Not just some time. I mean, with his ankle monitor stepping into the mission control. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's all in good fun. I think what he really does is he just sees wrongs and he tries to write them and like whatever way he deems just like dev, whatever way he deems. Correct. Yeah. Who's going to be there now, though? Because miles doesn't seem like the thing is, is Ed treats him getting slighted on a flight rotation with the workers being enslaved on Mars. As that's the same thing to him. He's equally as as maniacal and excited about it. So that's the you know, why we're sucking the ghost of Ed Baldwin's dick right now. Let's make sure that we also said he sure, sure. You know, he was an old guy who had his head on backwards sometimes. But do you think Lily's going to be the new poster child for what Ed believed? And I don't know. They're like. Could push Alex that direction, too. I'm thinking Alex, but I'm also thinking. Are one of these kids going to be martyred? Because I think they're both really good characters for as little as they've sketched them out, and I would love to see them be like huge representatives of the Mars faction. So it's like I don't want. But like that seems like a storyline they might did. I let me put this like I don't even like speculating about this because I'm already not. OK, it's weird. And it's not that I'm not looking forward to the the back third of the season. But I am kind of dreading it because they are setting a very bleak picture of essentially a civil war, you know, like all these things about them building up an expeditionary force on earth. You know, the fact that one of these Martian guys is is currently training with the Marines to probably be on that expeditionary force. The fact that Alex is now finding a backbone and being galvanized with all these other Martians are mistreatment. It's like. It's it's it's like seeing it. Yeah, it's like I guess I feel like I'm sitting here at the trolley switch. You know, it's like, do you push this and this one or you push this? And like, I don't have a I don't have access to a switch. It's just I'm watching a TV camera of the switch and it's like making me it making me fidgety and anxious. But it's good television. I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah. I'm not looking forward to that kind of civil war shit happening. Well, there's one more season after this. So. Yeah. Maybe that'll be the positive, the wholly positive season. Well, I mean, there's a lot of times when the world goes through some shit, we get some good, like a lot of the free open, you know, social program world order that we got going. I was was directly as a result of the world being horrified by the first two World Wars and like that can't happen again. We got to make sure that that doesn't happen again. So. Yeah, it's a lot of opportunity in crisis and you can take it either direction. We've had a lot of storms last two season, maybe six will be like here. This is how we get out of it, you know, we've got energy, resources, lifespan, got it all figured out. Life's life's perfect. And then the last scene will be a young boy being born in Iowa. One James T. Kirk. And James. Oh. And we made James are it's his grandpa because yeah, it's way too early for James. A Tiberius, maybe a right. It's just is lying out there. Oh, all right. Let's let's move on. It has more dreams of his time evading capture and Korea and awakens to find Kelly trying to cancel her participation on the Titan mission. He's really, really not having any of that. And Kelly and him decide to take a break from each other. Probably good idea. There's one thing that cannot tolerate is him holding back any member of his family. Sometimes this is like borderline toxic. You know, I constantly when I think of the show, I think of the episodes where Ed was all twisted up about what school Kelly was going to go to or whether she was going to go into you know, his alma mater or some other direction and how much that constrainated him. But here we at the other side of that coin, which is he cannot allow any of his personal weakness to hold back someone in his family from achieving greatness. And that's what he feels like he's doing here with his search. T minus three seconds until the ad. And then. Touchdown and we're back. Yeah, like that. My dad was always big on that, like sparing the family from from grief and hiding things that way and not. But like, I don't I don't know if it's the way to go because like I so I'm comparing this with like Dev talking to Alex, right? Um, where he's like. You might regret it if you don't stand by your poppy. Well, Ed is refusing to let Kelly stand beside him. Like, OK, well, maybe you don't want maybe you don't want me to or maybe it's fine that you don't want to take medication or something. But I'd like to, you know, die with you by my side or me by your side. Like finding life on Titan is not that important to me. Why can't she make that decision? Why does Ed happen? Like, will that what kind of effects will it that have on Kelly? I got to say that the end of the episode did not set me up to think that she's going to have a whole bunch of like regrets and things like that. But that's what I think. It's like you're you're taken to, you know, so you can have all the control. You're taking the control of other ever people. And also, you're not going to be the one that's dealing with the fallout. What a fuck do you care? You're going to be dead, Ed. Kelly's got a deal with missing you and and recurrent or it recriminations and what Alex thinks and all that other stuff. So yeah, I don't know if this is just a symptom of him never being able to stop treating Kelly like a child or if this is just. Yeah, control thing. Yeah. Or just not not wanting to show weakness. I mean, it's funny at the end of this scene when he's like coughing and, you know, Kelly turns around and like you OK. And he's like, I'm fine. And she walks out and he starts like really coughing. Right. It's like you can't even show that weakness that your body is riddled with cancer and about to fail has to cough. Yeah. That's the pathos of Ed. I cough a little harder, she'll cancel the Titan thing. Yeah, you're right. It is it is a pathology and. You know, it's funny because like I remember when we was this in season two is this in season three where Kelly was having that and they had this big blow out in the the living room and Ed's like it's all because I'm afraid of losing you. Yeah, we're like, oh, man, Ed's made so much progress. I feel like Ed like has slowly eroded that process. And now. His family is about to realize his greatest fear, which is losing them. They're going to lose him and he's being pissy about it. I like I said, like I love Ed. He's a great character, but this is why he's also infuriating sometimes. And it's what makes him great, because like people are complex. People don't always make logical choices or their choice. You think they should make, you know? No. Yeah. I certainly not me. I did love I thought they did some excellent transitions and I liked Ed's desperation. He's dying a thirst in a jungle and he's licking licking do off the the the the leaves as they're dripping and it turns into the IV drip. The fluid is currently keeping him alive. Like it's good. It's tough. Alex is ignoring his mom's calls in favor of working on his e-bike. Dev visits him to give him some words of comfort and encouragement and tells him you're going to regret it if you don't stand by your poppy. Yeah. And then trying to like inspire him a little bit to like what what do you want to do with the time you have left? And that must be what, you know, Ed was thinking all the time. It sort of contextualizes a little bit better for me because you look at Ed, a man who very much you could almost say should have died in Korea, got incredibly lucky to get out of there and then spend his life just pushing the edge of what's possible. I wonder if maybe the thing that drove him, if you want to continue that. Danny, you know, bad Danny broken by the expectations of, you know, living up to some expectation, do you think the Ed came back from Korea thinking I like like in a saving private Ryan way, I've got to make this worth it. I have to make this guy's sacrifice worth it. I think it's great. Like the thing that we find out found out at the end, which was the thing that first started me balling is that his son that died is named after the guy who saved him. Yeah, Shane. Did you clock that to his first? This is Hendricks guy's first name was Shane. Yeah, they show those dog tags. Yeah, for sure. So like how much of Ed's maniacal push to make something of his life was because of this spiritual pressure was put on him. No one put him on. It's not like Hendricks is like, you've got to get to the moon for me. Eddie, you know, like he didn't have any of those expectations, but I wonder if they came from within Ed, like he had that kind of a ghost of this guy kicking him along the entire time. Yeah, I think so. Maybe it's good that Shane, you know, for the memory that he has of him and everything, maybe it's good that he didn't live to to become to like an age where Ed could have pushed him towards something. Because like we saw what happened with Kelly. And look, it's the 1950s through the 60s. Women were not expected to do as much in their careers as boys were. So like, although it probably would have been worse with Shane. This is like the the women's lib came a few decades earlier and for all mankind because of right, because we put women on the moon because the Soviet Union was doing it. So we're like, oh, fuck, Soviet Union's like got a better 60s. I think I'd. Yes, like I thought there was like that maybe like women running corporations. There's a female president for God's sake. But but yeah, yeah, especially when she was young, that change hadn't quite percolated through. Yeah, I don't know. I do think it might have been even harder on Shane, him being a male supposed to female. Oh, for sure. And, you know, again, you imagine the like that just adds an extra layer. I don't know if they ever established that before. But the fact that his son was named after the guy that died for him died while he wasn't around for that. It's just it's wild how something this late in the show on the eve of a character's death can still. Have you retrospectively changing and what you think of them and understanding them in a deeper way than than you thought. And like, God, does it? Who knows this? Like, I wonder if he even told Karen. Hey, what do you think? Good for boy, Shane. Like, would he say like, I want to name after a person to die? Like, he might have to say that for everyone. Yeah, it makes me wonder like when they came up with this idea. Was this an idea they had a season ago and we're just waiting to spring in? Is this an idea they came up with while writing this episode? I think we either way. Yeah. Yeah, because like I knew we'd known that he had been shot down in Korea and that he had had some other things in the Purple Hearts. I think we knew broadly speaking all that, but I think this is the most detail we have ever got. So it's yeah. And that's a tragedy if like all this stuff that Ed, you know, he had this incredible life, but there were still more stories, maybe, that he kept to himself. Like, how deep did his files go? My God. Yeah. But also I related to, you know, Alex saying like I called him an asshole. And Dev's like, well, he actually was an asshole. And also your grandpa knew that he probably. And I remembered that the second time I was watching when Ed sees Alex and he's not thinking, oh, that kid thinks I'm an asshole. He's just smiling and there's tears in his eyes and there's so much. God, be careful. Don't get started again. There's just so much love there. Hmm. Yeah. And this stuff, I mean, it works perfectly. The dev is the guy to come to Alex and start talking about, you know, the father who pushed them and had a complicated relationship with. Because I mean, I imagine all children of men like this, men as accomplished as Ed or Dev or whoever must feel completely. It must be a huge struggle to feel worthy of even being alive when when you're in that shadow. I feel like I feel like most kids feel that way about their dads because like even if your dad's like a normal dude, he's like larger than life for you, right? Like everything like you when you're born, you've never had a girlfriend. You've never had a job. You've never. And he's done all these things and he's provide. So it's like just living up to like, God, can I do all those things? If your dad's a fucking astronaut and combat pilot, like. Forget it. Forget it. That's too much pressure. Yeah. Please for me. There's been a surprising a lot of drama in this show. You know, where else you can get great drama? On bald move. We've got a lot of stuff going on during the week, not just for all mankind. If you didn't know, we're also covering the pit. We're getting into the late season two of the pit. Fantastic show. If you like melodrama and pulse pounding action and people using science to solve problems, I can highly recommend it to you. I highly recommend it. But also, Anthony did a electric boogaloo on a storm of swords with me. Talking about the first Jamie episode of that or chapter of that book, as well as us breaking down the egg on the conqueror news that we got recently. And then this Friday night, I wanted to invite all club members April 10th, 10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. We're live watching Neil Breen's fateful findings. This is a commission. Someone wanted us to do this with the community. So if you don't know about Neil Breen and fateful findings, you're in for a treat on Friday. But if you want to get in on all that and much more, go to support.baldmoods.com where you can get in stacks as ad for feeds, all that stuff. Moving on, Miles visits Palmer to try to negotiate the release of his daughter and try to keep her petty crimes off her permanent record. And Palmer, you know, he's going to do it. He uses this leverage to get Miles to cooperate with his investigation into the Martian unrest. Lily sees it and doesn't like what she sees of her old man. And I don't think the rest of the SDM there in the cells do either. This is going to be a huge problem for Miles going forward, right? You know, we when we were thinking about like, what would the other sons and daughters of Mars think about, you know, if there was something complicated to his relationship to the mob and to the union situation, all that. And we're like, yeah, maybe not, maybe. But you know who absolutely would see it in the worst light possible? His actual daughter of Mars, because she doesn't have the context of all that. And like, you know, the oh, yeah, he was tortured by KGB and CIA agents and all this other stuff. Like, it's just going to be your this big statesman for Mars and your cell in us down the river to protect me. Like, I don't want that. Does not like. Yeah, he's tainted her at this point. Like, hmm. In front of all. Yeah. In front of all the Martian revolutionaries. Right. No, this is this is going to be a problem for them as father and daughter. This is going to be a problem for Miles as a member of this SDM community. I think this is going really bad places for Miles. It's it's just such a mistake. It's such a huge mistake from him. But I can see not wanting your daughter to take a fall for spray painting a governor's mansion, you know, a wall and a half, right? Like, yeah, you're going to lose out on all these opportunities just because you're like, this is bullshit, man. You know, like show show me a teenager that gets to like their 20s without saying, man, this is some bullshit, man, and I'll show you a person that's probably got something wrong with them or their life is going way too well. And that they've never had any injustice that they've had to deal with. But. Damn. Well, I also say there's nothing to spy on yet. So like, where does this actually become valuable for? You know, the cops here, especially since Miles gets out of all of the big risky stuff it seems like. So like it seems like to be a valuable asset, he's going to have to lie and appear more gung ho and like maybe even encourage people to do things that are bad. I know it's nothing's good. And I'm kind of back to where I remember last year, I just didn't like Miles. I just something about him. I'm kind of like glad that I can get back on the like, yes, this guy's kind of a prick. Yeah, yeah, I don't know why. High mind that is the rest of him, right? He's he's like more of a mercenary. And I'll tell you what, this weekend I watched I had a little guy, a rich, film festival with my wife, who watched Snatch and Rock and Rolla. And Miles is a main character in Rock and Rolla. He's the son of like an English gangster guy who is becoming a rock and roll. He's becoming a hard rock singer. And this guy's got a naturally first of all, he's got the skinny heroin cheek body. It was like 10, 15 years ago. But also he is British as today is long. And I held. OK. I wonder if this like dopey opie American accent that he's got is the problem I'm having with performance like him. Him acting out through because he was wonderful in rock and roll. Him acting through all these layers of cornpone is just, you know, when he's like, oh, gosh, gee, well, you know, I'd say it's it's it's it's fucking it's fucking with him because he's amazing in rock and roll. And he's never been more than just OK in this show. So sure. Wild. Boy invests, Boyd, rather, investigates her doubts about Lee's involvement in the murder, tracking down a possible co-worker who associated with both Lee and the victim. However, someone in the shadows appears to somehow intimidate her witness. And when she follows him, she's assaulted and knocked out cold. I mean, which is just another lead. It's like, OK, now you just told me I'm on to you. Like the more you try and cover something up, the more it becomes obvious. That's what you're doing. Sounds like one of those half measures that Mike Ermentrout used to talk about on on Breaking Bad, you know, like, yeah, like just if you're going to do this, kill her. Yeah, but then you get Stanislaus going like my partner was killed or my friend was killed. I have to go investigate. Like it's a rabbit hole that never ends. Then send some blue girl into his bathroom stall to inject him with metal and kill him to because he's an idiot. I don't think that's going to. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying to like it. If you're in a situation where you're, yeah, like your options are, all right, you got me. I want a lawyer or I'm going to punch a peacekeeping officer or I'm going to kill a peacekeeping officer. It feels like if you're a bad guy, the kill is the best of those options, especially if you could make it look like, you know, because she was off duty, right? She was in civilian gear. They could have made that like it's, you know, but she just had personal personal beef with one of the. Colonists, you know, that does you buy that story? I don't know. Maybe it's it's harder to murder someone on Mars and make it look like a mob did it. But I'm saying it's not great. It's not great because, yeah, now, now the one thing is, is Palmer still going to give a shit? Because Palmer did not say get up in this murder, investigate. Palmer said, help us find what the source is, Marsha and unrest. I I wonder if she's going to be in more trouble or if she's even going to be able to tell Palmer that, hey, why'd you get assaulted? I was. Did it seem like she's in a little bit of trouble, too, is where I'm getting at. Yeah, she is totally. She wasn't supposed to be doing what she was doing according to her boss. Six weeks paid vacation. That is taking her off duty and away from the thing until Palmer has a chance to get this shit under control, right? She isn't she doesn't need six weeks off just to recover from a black eye, right? No, she had major surgery, sure. But yeah, no. Who do you think I like? I have no idea who this person could be. The person in the shadows. Yeah. Yeah, I do think there's a missing link here between like what's happening with Kerrigan and these night shipments versus what's happening with, you know, the leaks from Helios and. Do you think that Russia is trying to do like a hostile takeover of Mars? Like they've got their governor there. There's these secret shipments. I believe Kerrigan is a Russian company. We also know that Russia is kind of been holding the bag on the iridium thing because they did, you know, they're getting a lot of pressure for those payments to pay off because the Soviet Union's economy is not going so hot. I wonder. I wonder if that there is a big conspiracy. And that's what it is. It's like, well, it's it's it's about to be the M one. You know, it's just just because, yeah, what would what could people do if they just did like, you know, hey, we're taking this over? I guess it's in the expeditionary force. Right. Alex returns to his mom's side, who's very much relieved. But then they both panic when they find out the Ed is no longer in his bedroom. Alex tracks him down to Ilias, where he's listening to Elvis and having himself a drink of whiskey. Eventually, Kelly joins them as they have a drink as a family. This scene was a delight, I thought. I agree. 100 percent. It's a beautiful, fun, but just super nostalgic. Great scene. I want to start off, though, talking about Boyd and what she said about this place. She thought this was going to be a fresh start, something entirely different from Earth. And yet she's walking a promenade that includes a Starbucks and a Domino's that should have told you everything you need to know about bars right there. Same old shit, lady. Come on. Yep. And also, the Fraumankind is getting a not inconsiderable source of funding from both Starbucks and Domino's. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. But this scene is so good. I mean, it's crotchety old Ed, but it's also the fun loving Ed, who's joking around and bust him chops and. You know, but actually, but deeply loves his family and cares about them and. Yeah. It's like the rules and mischievous side, but it's got no consequences like getting his his grandson a second drink under his mom's nose. Yeah. It's it's not even a second hand. He's with the full realization that he's already had multiple first drinks before that was what it was the cherry on top. Yes. Yeah, he realized it wasn't his first drink on the first drink and the second drink definitely wasn't. But I love it. It's just perfect. And Elvis playing, you know, this Love Me Tender song, which is going to have a refrain at the end of the episode when Ed finally goes. I will say. Also has like a I don't know what the opposite of refrain is where it starts with it because we've learned that Karen actually really loved that song. Well, it's wild is the last time I saw someone, you know, grooving the Elvis in a bar setting. It was Karen fixing to seduce Danny and it was another Elvis song, Dopey Cruel. So like when I heard when I heard Ed playing that, I knew this thing about Kelly and I'm just like, oh, God, why is this show one remind me of the worst plot line of all time? Bad day. And he realized this for three seasons. Yeah, I didn't make that connection. But I don't know that he. At some point, he looks like Kelly's all concerned. Kelly comes running into this bar after they have this fun moment with Ilya. And the warden. Yeah. And he's like, you're in the warden and she's trying to get him to go back. And he just he just turns to her. He puts her hand in his her hand in his face, her face in his hand and just kind of like nods to her, saying like, this is it. This is it. We all know this is it. Let's just be together and enjoy what we can from the moment. I also love Ilya pulling like his eyes bug out and he quickly pulls Alex's drink out from it, tucks behind the bar. Because he's a good bartender. Yeah, like Ed might be dying, but Ilya is not. And he doesn't want to have to deal with Kelly. So that's just a great moment. That's a great family moment and a nice way to bring the whole family together. Because even Alex was the one that has to tell his mom, like, hey, it's, you know, he doesn't he doesn't want to do it. Like, what are we doing here? A lady visits Margot in prison, explaining that she'll be leaving for Mars and apologizes for feeling like abandoning her on earth, especially after everything Margot was done for her. Margot being Margot says it's nonsense. You're doing exactly what you're supposed to do. It's another scene that's, you know, tough to watch for all the history of these characters. I mean, Margot, we just a couple of episodes ago had Margot effectively like saying, I have nothing but you, Aleta. And now Margot is saying, I'm going to let you go. This is this is kind of what Ed is doing, but in a much like more Margot way, just saying, I need to let you go, even though I value you so much. And she's not showing the emotion of it, like Aleta is the one getting emotional here and Margot is holding it together and sending her off. But then we'll see her later in her cell. Yeah, feeling the emotional weight of it. Almost like another sacrifice for Aleta, that she's hiding what she feels about this. Yep. So she won't influence Aleta. I will say that like what if I was Aleta, what would make it a lot easier for me is the utter. Certainty I would have that were our positions reversed, Margot would do it and not even think about it. I think it would like if Margot had a chance to like if Aleta was in prison and Margot was still a NASA administrator and she had a chance to go to Mars to supervise this thing. Absolutely. I don't even know if she'd make a last visit stop to Aleta to tell her that she's going. So yeah, which is why Margot doesn't have a lot of the things that Aleta has, right? Like a family is truly cares for her. And yeah, she's got her piano music, which is a touch, a touchstone throughout her character. She's listening to I think it was one of the albums that her and Sergey had used to communicate even towards the end of this episode. But. Yeah, I don't know. There's some interesting things here, but I can't wait to see what we find out about time. I know we won't really be finding about Titan because it's all a fake show. But like I'm excited. I'm excited. It's it's cool that we're actually having a revitalization of human space flight coincidentally while this episode this thing is running because I'm just I don't know. I'm really geeked out about space. It's the one thing I can be geeked out about right now, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Fred pays his partner, Boyd, another visit in the Martian Med facility where she worries that, man, if I can't make it work here on Mars, I got no other place left for me to go. Except for Uranus. Yeah, I like these two together. They they feel like, you know, good friends. Yeah, it's pinky. It's pinky in the brain is what it is because Fred. Fred is as stupid as she is smart. Hmm. Have I think that he's stupid yet? Maybe he's not curious. He's lacking a certain amount of curiosity. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I took the the six weeks off pay is more of a suspension than a reward for. Oh, yeah, I want you to take and it's real stressful here. Mars, why don't you take some time off? Yeah, Paul just wants her away. A lot of other generational like this is like it's is it interesting that we've got like several stories of families who are long term in service of some war? You've got like, you know, Boyd's got three generations of cops. The Baldwin's got three generations of astronauts. The I felt like there is another one that I was leaving off. But that that that, yeah, that you've got or maybe it's even you go back to miles that his daughters feeling like she has to live up to, you know, what her dad did coming as a frontiersman and settling this thing and and making making making his fortune off of it. Says why we got to know what happened to bad Danny's daughter, because she's an astronaut, that'd be a third generation. Holy shit. What if she's on Mars or Ray, would you freak out? God, I got it. Is is that what they're leading up to this fucking Elvis on the Elvis on the jukebox is this like you're bad Danny, right? You're going to ruin Elvis for me, man. I like Elvis. I don't want to ruin it. Gordo is this all Gordo's thought if you think about it. All right, Ed returns back to his apartment, his hab home now under hospice care. Kelly says that she has to leave to go check out her ship, which thrills Ed. He's glad that he's not holding her back. Meanwhile, a latest daughter screeches up in her teen mobile to hug her mom. Goodbye. And also, hey, mom, do you mind if I drive your car while you're on Mars? Margo gets a little bit weepy in jail as she considers going a year, perhaps more without any contact from her friend, the later. Yeah, I don't even know. Like, would they even make you let you make collect calls from Mars? I thought maybe they could they could stay together or stay in communication with a phone, but like, yeah, Margo's in federal prison. She doesn't have an apple Newton. Yeah, they have to send messages. It's like clear that you can't. There's obviously no real time communication here. So should you get a voice or a video message? Right. But I don't know if they let you have those in prison. I know what you clocked the Newtons, you know, that they are like. This is an Apple TV show. Newtons, if you don't know, before the Palm Pilot, before the cell phone, before the iPod, Apple came out with this thing called the Newton, which was this little personal digital assistant and kind of created all of the smartphone stuff. And I guess in this reality, since there isn't the Internet and there wasn't maybe Blackberry and also because this is an Apple show, they're postulating that the Newtons just was was was prone to take over the mobile data market. Yeah, we saw them using those seasons ago, right? Like it was. Okay. I wasn't I wasn't sure. It's just it's for sure that you're in 2015 and people are using Newtons with cell phone technology. I think that's the thing. Yeah, that I get just dominated and continue to be used. Yeah. Well, I mean, like Apple and up dominating the market when they had to restart everything with the iPhone. So like imagine if they just went right from the Newton to just platform dominance. Yep. I'm just worried that Margo is not going to be able to trade her way out of a bad situation because where are the tootsie rolls coming from now? Yeah, she's gonna have to do unspeakable things. Maybe she'll make she'll make prison toilet rocket fuel in exchange for tootsie rolls. Sure. Well, I got some hydrazine and she spray this on aluminum foil. You can make a rocket of such and such a specific impulse. Hmm. Yeah. But I did. I like her like Margo is an old woman with if she says she doesn't regret anything, but I don't think that's true. I think she really regrets that one because she had a perfect partner. Her and Sergey. If it wasn't for the government, shit between them would have been a love affair of all time. And she lost everything that that was all where it came from, you know, like she lost her connection with the government. She lost Sergey himself. She lost everything, her freedom. Yeah, totally. And she's sitting there clutching to her music. And I guess that's that's the other thing is this is the first time in her adult life that she hasn't had the ability to play piano because even in her shitty Russian apartment, she had a piano. Mm hmm. It's true. I guess this is a big one of the many differences between her and Ed is she she sort of regrets a lot of the choices. She says she doesn't regret any of the choices she made, but you can tell she regrets at least a few. And Ed, I just I just think Ed made every choice that he ever wanted to make exactly how he wanted to make it. Most of Ed's regrets come from probably the reactions of other people, like, you know, obviously regrets of son dying and he regrets Kelly or I care and probably fucking Danny and all that other stuff. But. Yeah, like, it's like, I just you just like you couldn't help but thinking when you're looking through those photos, like, what a fucking life. Right. What an incredible life. It's like a more incredible life than any other person has had on this planet because, you know, Neil Armstrong didn't have a chance to continue to serve on a moon base and to be the first guy to pilot a mission, a man mission to Mars. And, you know, that that was like a very brief period of life. And it was over. Ed just kept at it the entire time he would be like if he was a real life guy, he'd be some legendary figure. I'm trying to think like you need to be a Armstrong on steroids. Yeah, no, it's Neil Armstrong times three or something like. Yeah. First person on multiple places. Yeah, it's crazy. Although that's the thing. He's not the first person to do shit, right? He was beat to the moon and he's beat to the Mars. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Even Danny didn't beat him because her and the Russian had this foot race off the ramp and it turns out the North Korea Lee had beat him there by months. This is true. I forgot about that. Yeah, I don't know. It's a but Margo has like a similar record. It's just like a lot of it gets lost in all of the the details, right? Like the spying and like. Although the politics or what screwed her like that's the thing. Ed never concerned himself with politics. Margo a little bit more tried to. But she's like the ringleader of all of these missions that Ed was on. And all of the all of things that happened happened in large part because Margo was where she was and who she was. And I think these scenes are supposed to help us like contextualize all that because like I couldn't help, you know, especially on Second Watch. Ed's dying and it said against Kelly like going and revisiting a sojourner and she's sitting there at the spot that Ed's, you know, was there when he was flying and she goes to the station where she had her pirate radio station, which is how she fell in love with Alex's dad and, you know, how they started their love affair. And it's it's kind of like Ed Baldwin handing the series off to Kelly because she is the OG once you remove the, you know, of the astronaut teams. Anyway, she is is now carrying that she's the old man Ed, old woman Ed now. But that's how I got when she's going through sojourn. It was us remembering all that history, all that shared history that they had and reminding us like Kelly's been around a lot. Right. You're going to. You're still invested in the Baldwin story. It's not going anywhere. I am. No, I like Kelly a lot. I am too. Yeah. Good thing. But yeah, Ed struggling and taking his last breaths and the last thing he sees is Alex and, you know, like that's just a just a great moment. And yeah, remembering that night in Korea where he was shot down and he looks down his dog tags and I had to pause. I was like, what is but and I saw I saw the shame before the barnhill. And I'm like, oh, my God, it all kind of clicked. Yeah. And then this is just hits me like in exactly the same way. I remember when I first saw like the Titanic, you know, spoilers for like a 30 year old movie. But when, you know, the thing happens at the end and there's a character who's died after all these other people have died and they go through this walk and everyone's applauding the applauding them and like Gordo who preceded him in death by two generations is walking him down the aisle. I want to fucking I want to get fucked. I'm a star weeping if I don't be very careful here, Jim. And then you get to the end and Karen's there. And his little boys there and saying, you know, where daddies go. And it's like, it's works because it's like this is a real memory, but it also works as such a fucking great metaphor for going to heaven and rejoining all the people, you know, your your temporary you're temporarily going away from the people that you love. Presumably, you'll see him again. And I. Yeah. And I like this as an encapsulation of Ed's life because he was always an explorer, an adventurer, a guy who, you know, pushed into new frontiers unun ununairingly like he just was not something he wasn't afraid. It's that he did it anyway. That's courage, right? And and had that in spades. And here it is. He's pushing into like he said, the final frontier. It's literally the only thing that we have no information about, you know, what happens after you die. And there's a lot of I have my beliefs on that. Everyone else has their beliefs on that, but we honestly don't know anything about it. And here is Ed going off into that direction, presumably to just pick up where he left off with his life and continue on his journey with his family by him. It's it's a beautiful moment. I cannot say how close this rides the line to being sappy while never ever crossing into it. I mean, that is hard to do because they would turn me off emotion. If it were if it went sappy and I don't know if everyone's got their different. I'm sure to someone out there listening and be like, that wasn't sappy, but. Sure, sure. In my opinion, though, it remained firmly on the other side of sappy. And that's great. That's exactly what I wanted. It's and you can only do something like this because Ed has been such a great character through the last five seasons. You don't you can't get this with a bad Danny. You can't get this with a character we barely know. You have to be with this guy for five years, see him over decades of his life to really feel the weight of this. Yeah. And they got Michael Dorman back. Yeah, they got Chantel van Sint back. I think that also made it really powerful because like I was I was but I was starting to like as soon as I saw it was Gordo and he was all clean shaven and this was back in a gym and I day and he's you're ready skipper. Oh, yeah, I'm starting to get in all the clips between them in the shuttle when they're taken off and then this this is them in the capsule like. Going over the horizon earth. It's just it's beautiful. Such a beautiful send off for Ed. I didn't know the show had it in it. I that's one of the reasons I was thinking there's no way Ed will die. How could you possibly make that moment big enough when he's an old man and doing another combat mission to save a friend? I think it's perfect. It's really perfect. And then you put the stacks of Elvis on top of that Elvis's Swedish song, I don't know. He's got a lot of them, but the. Now, I don't know. So I really I'm glad I didn't do the don't be cruel. I could not just like I'd be too. And I'd be too. Yeah, don't be cruel would be actually cruel. Yeah, don't play. Don't have Ed playing Cuck Rock when he's dying. You can't have that. Anyway, I'm glad I'm done talking because we got to the end of this episode. If you'd like to send us feedback for all for all mankind, FAM FAM at Bald Move dot com is what you got to remember. If you'd like to join our club and get access to many great features, including ad free feeds and live showing of Neil Breen's fateful findings. Just so you know, Neil Breen is like the Tommy Wasau of our current generation or maybe. Older and Tommy anyway, it's that kind of thing. It's like the room. It's like when we said that the Ed is. Neil Armstrong on steroids, faithful findings is the room is is to. Is to add how Neil Armstrong is to Fateful Finders, something like that. It'll be a good time. It's open for all of our club members on the discord. You don't have to sink anything to show up and watch it. It's a lot of fun support.BaldMove.com. Jim. Do we have anybody seeing sending us emails through their Apple Newtons? We'll be right back after this spacewalk. OK. Strap in, we're diving into more for all mankind. Oh, yeah, I got a few. Awesome. I'm going to pick and choose here. Real quick, just a paraphrase, Dr. G, who wanted to write in and tell us what might have killed Ed. And it's pretty much like pressure changes. You know, when the pressure changes, you know, you're going to deep water from deep water, shallow water, you're coming down in altitude, whatever. You know, you think of trapped air spaces, the lungs have trapped air due to all the gunk being produced in those areas will expand boils law, I guess. And they can possibly rupture blood vessels or cause new thorax, things like that. And yeah, it's bad. It's bad news, especially for a man as sick and old as that is. The doctor, he get confused and thought he was sending in medical advice to the pit because like, though, he's one of our doctor resources over there. But yeah, I got to say, that wasn't one of the things I had our trouble believing. An 80 year old guy who's dying of late stage cancer. Like, I feel like that's just a house of cards, man. You give him a good scare in first thing in the morning and he's he's a goner. So, yeah. Doing high G maneuvers and Mars with your heart race and God knows how fast because you're doing something scary and dangerous and illegal. I do it. There's an interesting piece of information that Rob from, I'm going to call it, Versailles look, I'm from Indiana. What do you want from me? That's what they want from you. It's not Versailles. You'd be pronouncing it wrong if you went to the town of Versailles and pronounce it Versailles because. Yep. Fuck me, I guess they kick you out right next to the town. Napoleon. They wrote in to say that he heard us discuss whether bald move would be around in this universe because there was no internet. He says based on the attached image and I looked at the image and he is correct. From season four, episode 10 at 1925 time code, the motel that Sergei is staying at and was killed at advertised free internet. That's what I was saying was the production, the production error that the creators addressed last year. That was a mistake. That was a real life sign on the hotel and they didn't. So it is a mistake. Yeah. Yeah. Like up to this, like I as of this season, they're saying there is no internet and I have never seen that. Now you think about it. Have you ever seen anyone use anything that you would call the internet? Have you ever seen anyone like look on anything on the web? Have you seen the best time from a different network? So. Mm hmm. And I also wonder like if they I can't I can't tell because who knows in this universe, but it seems like their cell technologies behind too, because this looked like a one X, like, you know, like a first G. But and I'm thinking like, well, if all you had was calls and and some kind of form of text or D-mail, you don't need for G for that. You don't need for G to surf the web and and and browse and and and stream video and music. So like if that never became a thing, I could see having these very basic devices with very light data plans and getting along just fine, maybe even better. Sure. You still got to pay 80 bucks a month for them, though. For sure. And then last thing I want to bring up here, Tommy, Tommy, N.C. and Colin both wrote in to tell me about this and maybe a couple other people. But Colin here says people forget that Joel Kinnerman is half American and grew up in Sweden, coming up alongside Numi, Rapis and Alexander Skarsgard. But more important for here is on his first major US show, the killing as this as a skeezy partner of Miriel Enos. It's Boyd. This boy, yes. They apparently were both on that show together. I had no idea. I knew she was on the bridge. I completely forgot about Kinnerman. I thought he got to start with the altered carbon and. Well, actually, I thought he got to start with House of Cards, but then altered carbon. I completely forgot he was in the killing. And then I guess there's a Canadian character actor in here, Tyler Labine from the mid 2000 show Reaper and one of the Stoner kids that ran through season three of the X files. OK. OK. Yeah. Tyler Labine. Is the guy who played Stanislaus. Oh, OK. He is very good looking. I feel like I have seen him someplace. Yeah, he looks familiar, but I don't know where. Probably the X files in season three, the Stoner kid anyway. But you'd be like 18, probably. Like, yeah, you'd be a young pup and that that's the show. Probably wouldn't recognize him. I'm getting that that wraps up the emails so we can put that that's going to do for this way. FAM at bulb move dot com. If you'd like to comment on any of the things going down, what do you do? You think there is there a positive like maybe we can get some positivity? Is there a positive resolution? I'm seeing nothing but war and conflict and loss of life and an already dangerous hostile place. Show me the light. Where can where can can better better angels prevail here? Can can read their words. We need like because there's been places that that it's been this tense before, right, like, you know, the Mars base or the moon base situation and Ed almost blowing a Russian ship out of the out of the well, not atmosphere out of space because, you know, they had all that. And Ed just made a call, you know, like Sally Ride was was there to kind of help him. But he made a call that that forever altered the course of the way history was going. We need someone like Ed Baldwin to just do something crazy like that again. To take us all away from the brink and give people a chance to not escalate. And yeah, if you see away, FAM at bulb move dot com. That'll do. Appreciate you listening to us. We'll be back next week to see. I mean, we have processed the death of Ed Baldwin, but the show for all mankind has not joined us next week to see what kind of fallout is going to happen because. Yeah, like what is a weird? It's going to be weird, right, to have this death of a hero. But the last thing he did was trying to undermine your international organization. Like what I can't wait to hear the what the words the minister says. That is his memorial and whether they broadcast on earth. That's it could be a political hot potato, right? Live. You don't want to play that wrong. No. All right, we'll be back next week to find out what happens. Hope you join us then until that time. I'm your host, A-Ron. And I'm Jim. Bye, Bob.