Bill and Tim Couldn’t Wait Until Monday

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I'm very pleased to be joined by Tim Miller. A bit of a role reversal since normally I join Tim on Mondays, but I've got something I've got to do tomorrow morning. So I'm bummed, but Tim was kind enough to come on today. So thanks, Tim. Hello, Bill. I'm going to run you through the ringer here. All right. I'm not going to make it easy on you in the host chair. Really? Oh, my God. Okay. You know, is it too late to change up people here? I'm talking to the people in the back room here, in the control room. to get a nice, friendly guest. Anyway, thanks for joining me. We both flew back from Minneapolis Friday after a couple of days there and normally sort of like to move on to the news today. But I really, it was so, I think, striking for both of us and moving and interesting. Let's take a few minutes and, I don't know, what surprised you, lessons learned, depressing, inspiring? Give me your take. Yeah, both. I came back with a cold. I'm not meant for that climate. it so it's even more inspiring that people are out there every day look I am I kind of oh I goofed in the way that I framed it on the night of the first show when I went I went out there and said that you know when we initially scheduled our trip to Minnesota we're planning on it being there to be in support of people that were in the middle of a siege you know and that We wanted to be there, and we talked to Mayor Fry, and one of the things he said is he wants people to come, it helps the economy, et cetera. And saw ourselves as like a, whatever, like a support structure, giving people a night of warmth before they go back out into the streets. And then after Bavino left and Trump and Homan seemingly backed down, I kind of said on Wednesday night, instead we're kind of in a more of a valedictory place. And that was wrong. you know it just was wrong um and i think that you know being outside of minneapolis that made sense because i do think it was a political victory right like you know just as in a war there you have victories in the battlefield that don't necessarily yield victory in the war um you know they they had won the political battle there right like that donald trump was forced to back down and that's not nothing you know because he's not there's been very few examples of that we can kind of count the times that he's been forced to back down here in the second term and to have had the actual people of Minneapolis been the one that won that was significant and worth celebrating. That said, the next day as we went out into the city, and you can only learn so much being out and about for one day, but talking to a lot of people, what we learned was the intense raids like inside Minneapolis proper have dissipated, right? But they are just changing their tactics, right? Like the number of cars, ICE cars coming in and out of their headquarters, the Whipple Building, has not really changed much. One of the women I talked to standing outside the Whipple Building who goes there every day for three hours, she lives in Wisconsin, about 40, 45 minutes away on the other side of the border. She said that she was now starting to see agents in her community, you know, or more so than she had before. And so it just seems like they have not retreated, but just retrenched a little bit and changed their tactics. And Minnesota in particular is still experiencing a lot of the stuff that they're experiencing at the very beginning of the operation. Yeah, no, I was struck by that too. Well, as Homan himself said, the mass deportation effort is ongoing and still their priority, right? There's some tactical changes in terms of where they go and how they get people, Carl, you know, snatch people. But they are snatching people, right? A little more in the suburbs, a little more in smaller groups maybe, a little more going to places where they know they can get them, sort of pick them off as opposed to massive kind of raids and showdowns. But, yeah, JVL made that point in his triad yesterday, right? They've changed tactics. as, yeah, no, that is a very important point, actually. I was struck coming back. I was at Principal's First yesterday, and smoke and mix and mingled a ton. And people were a little bit, I had to do exactly what you just said. I mean, people were a little bit too much. What a fantastic victory for the people of Minnesota, which it really was. And we'll get to that maybe in a second, and I'm going to talk about how impressive what they did was and is. But yeah, it's not over there. God knows nationally, it's full steam ahead on deportation and mass deportation, don't you think? It does. Well, mostly steam ahead. They want to go full steam ahead. I think that they've realized that some of the elements of their tactics backfired. Again, like you said, all credit to the people of Minnesota for being out there in these streets. It is enraging and maddening that it caused the required deaths of their fellow citizens to make that happen. And that was another thing we did was to go to the good and pretty memorials, which were, you know, just very, like, I don't know about you, but for me, just because I'd watched the video so much, it was kind of easy for me to visualize, like, what exactly happened in these spots. But, you know, video only gives you, you know, the width of the camera, you know, and the various angles, you know. So we got kind of a 360 view of both of them. But outside of that, you know, I didn't know a whole lot about like what the neighborhoods were like, you know, that they've been killing. I've been to Minneapolis a couple of times, but not, you know, I'm not deeply familiar with the city. And, you know, just to see in Rene Good's neighborhood looks like, you know, a lot of these sort of Midwestern neighborhoods that are kind of like the inner ring of suburbs right outside the city. you know it's like you're basically in the city kind of it's not like the cul-de-sac type suburbs right um but it's the residential part of the city uh and you know in the pretty neighborhood um you know we went to lunch afterwards the jamaican restaurant it's just it's another part of the enraging part of the whole thing was like this the premise that this was necessary because of some killer immigrants like both of these were safe neighborhoods the pretty neighborhood if anything was was made enriched by um just in our experience like there's a vietnamese place there's a malaysian place there's a somalian place there's a jamaican place right like you know it is an immigrant neighborhood um and and they and that neighborhood was torn apart and somebody was killed because of like some fabricated lies about about the somalians which they then lied about what had happened to in both cases, right? I mean, so the lying was both before the event and during the event and after the event. I mean, the memorials to both of them were being kept up by citizens. There's no official designation that I know of. There's no plaque or anything. It's early, I suppose, for that. But very striking people coming out and tidying up some and putting fresh flowers and moving placards that have been homemade. I mean, it really was, yeah. Yeah, and it was tough. I've got to, I just, I had the same experience as you. You sort of, well, it's just tough because this is a place where American citizens and it wouldn't, I don't mean to distinguish residents of America, if they had been non-citizens, it would be as bad, but were killed by U.S. government officers. And there's been no accountability. I mean, obviously we've had incidents before in the U.S. where that kind of thing happens. And there's not always perfect accountability, God knows, but there's at least an attempt at accountability or, you know, sort of accountability or maybe it's delayed here, one has no confidence that there'll be any. Maybe the Minnesota authorities could do something, but very hard when the federal government has no interest in it and isn't cooperating. Right. So, yeah, I hope the Minnesota authorities do something. You know I guess the other thing that we can speak about is on the first night we had Tim Walls and Tina Smith there the governor and senator The second night we had a school superintendent there And, you know, it is worth mentioning, like there's sometimes on this very channel, some complaints about the weakness of Democratic politicians in the face of what's happening. and um and i think that you saw at least we saw from the ones that we were talking to yeah they recognize that they're thrust into this battle you know and i think we've seen very strong leadership from tim walls i had so many people come up to me after the tina smith interview and go and she is more fired up i've ever seen her and you know maybe that was my wonderful interviewing but i think probably what it was was the fact that like they see what the time it is Like they recognize the moment being there. And I think that Governor Walz handled this very well. I think that, you know, I could even turn the notch up a little higher in some of this stuff. But they're navigating, you know, trying to serve their constituents and, you know, rallying and fighting. And it's a tough, you know, tough job. You know, I was on this panel yesterday at Principles First with former Governor McCrory of North Carolina, who was mayor of Charlotte for a zillion years and then governor and lost by very close race to Roy Cooper. Republican. 2016, Republican. Then he went to no label. So to be fair, not pro-Trump, I think one can say. I don't think he's been a leader of the anti-Trump resistance. But he still has sort of, and I said this to him publicly on the stage, I'm not saying anything sort of behind his back. He still has kind of Republican-ish talking points. So he deplores what's happened and all that, but he also deplores the partisanship on the other side. When he was governor and mayor, he was able to work behind the scenes with everyone, blah, blah, blah. And it's sort of unfortunate that there's been so much just fighting publicly. And I really interrupted him. It was a little bit contrary to the civility spirit of principles first and said, that's just ridiculous. Tim Walz told us, now I think he said this publicly, so I don't think I'm saying anything that he hasn't said, that he was on the phone, what, every day almost to the White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles, trying to get them to back down, explaining the situation, explaining how dangerous it was. And she was sympathetic, but she can't control what happens. And she doesn't control Steve Miller and she doesn't control Donald Trump. And he tells a couple of stories which were a little more off the record. So, you know, actually just dealing with her day to day. Tim Walsh was doing his best, as he should have been as governor, to defuse the situation. But he also stood up when he had to. I came away admiring him, not having known that much about him, honestly, until the VP nomination, admiring what he had done. But again, it was so striking. I get beat up on Pat McRory, who, to his credit, sort of later in the panel, came around a little bit. But the degree to which, you know, even non-Trump-y Republican world. I mean, McRory, just to remind, in 2022, so he had been a reasonably popular governor, lost a very, very close race to Roy Cooper. uh runs for senate in 2022 i guess uh and he's the front runner by like 25 points because he's the former governor and all this for the republican nomination and he um uh but trump comes in for his opponents what's his name bud the guy who became senate some congressman trumpy mega trumpy congressman they spent 10 million dollars to throw it in by crypto types as well as club for growth and all these people against him and he loses by 25 points uh this I know you want to listen to your podcast, so I'll keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a sustainable choices, can Acer maybe help? Well, I think, how then? For example, when you're doing a sustainable sustainable products that are loved by Schade. Want to know more about the insurance where a sustainable schade-shade can be? Go to acer.nl. 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Part of this goes back to the JBL newsletter. it's just saying what is actually happening in minnesota makes you feel crazy kind of right you know and we the stories people were telling us like the idea that that they had to recruit doulas to secretly you know sneak into apartments and houses to you know help you know women through labor because they were worried that if they go into the hospital you know they might be nabbed by ice their baby might be nabbed by ice um you know the idea that there are you know the masked agents of the state like grabbing people no record of them then then dumping them into the cold outside of the building you know and you have to have people like the haven watch folks that we were talking to you know give them bring them coats give them a ride give them a meal um you This is the kind of stuff that has not been happening in this country for a long time. It's an unlawful federal siege on a city. And I think that if you're, whatever, not to pick up Pat McCrory, but if you're in somebody like that's shoes, there's just this wash of information that is coming all the time now. And it's hard to distinguish. This is very different. This is not just a typical partisan deal. Right. And people don't, of course, want to see that, if I could say it this way, how different it is, because it's more than more comfortable being in Wall Street Journal editorial page mode. Yeah. Say a word about it. I mean, I guess we were all struck, I think, by two different aspects of what the citizens, residents of Minnesota had done. The kind of confrontation with ICE, courageous, cost to people their lives, the use of the phones, the kind of standing up to them on the one hand. And then the civic humanitarian efforts to help the immigrants in so many different ways. And really, and that was done by people who are activists and have done this kind of thing a long time, but also by, frankly, middle class people my age who I don't believe had been out doing activism much for the last three or four decades, who were volunteering to do the kinds of things you're talking about, bringing food to the immigrants. one woman I did her Tuesday night she would meet immigrants, an immigrant mom would drop off her kid three or four blocks from the school, ICE was right at the school to snatch people and then this other person white middle class person would walk the kid to the school because that would hopefully diminish the chance that the kid would get snatched and certainly that the immigrant mother would get snatched who's ever heard of such a thing in this country really I mean, except the civil rights movement in the 60s. Yeah, Jim Crow, yeah. Yeah. There's both the confrontation side of what the Minnesotans did and the, I don't know what to call it, civic side, let's just say. Yeah. Look, I think there's maybe one, we keep referencing JBL's news. I really should go read it. It's at thebullark.com because it was so good yesterday where he talks about all this in a way that only he can. My one quibble with him is he was like, all these people are doing this without impeding or confronting the ICE at all. And I was like, yeah, there's some examples of impeding and righteous impeding, kind of. I don't think we need to color what is happening there, spin it. They are confronting the ICE officials. They are trying to get in their heads. They are. I talked to some of them and said that, look, if this guy wants to, you know, a lot of times these constitutional watchers, whatever, would confirm that a vehicle was ICE and they'd follow the car around so they could be there if they snatch somebody and record the name of the person etc and you know one of them said the guy would like get out on the highway and then circle around town and then he'd pull up to my house and stop and you know that's an intimidating thing to do on the one hand on the other hand you know basically the person i was talking to said okay well that was an hour that he wasn't grabbing somebody so okay that's better than nothing is that impeding you know what i mean we can quibble sometimes about the words on some of this but it's certainly confronting. And I think they showed a lot of bravery there And the other thing about the confronting is just the lack of violence and um and to your point um we should shout out that part of the reason why i think it's a lack of violence is that the median age of the watcher is probably 58 or 62 or something you know it was it's definitely an empty nester crowd that's doing a lot not everybody obviously you know and it was mixed um outside of whipple but i i think disproportionately folks um that you know are just by nature not going to be the types of folks that are you know whatever breaking windows and you know doing some of the stuff that we saw during this george floyd summer and um that said that happened when they were they were being baited and agitated like greg bovino at minimum wanted violence, wanted it, tried to, you know, tried to spark it. And so, you know, the fact that they were able to handle these situations, the two of them were killed, and still they did not live up to, they did not give the administration what they wanted when it comes to the violence is really remarkable. And, you know, then obviously, like you said, I don't know if I have much more to add on the social side of it, but just the community members helping each other, and the scale of that was really notable. The signal, text chains, and so forth, I mean, really, pretty spontaneous. I mean, Minnesota has more, as the sociologists like to say, whatever, civic infrastructure or social capital than many states. They just have a tradition of a lot of that. And so they were some very active church groups. And long 50 years of, well, more than 50 years, but I mean, certainly the last few decades, a ton of immigrants and a lot of therefore immigrant aid societies and, you know, efforts at churches to help. And so there's, they were a little more set up for this than maybe an average state or community. But a lot of it was bottom up. I pushed people on this a little bit, especially this one dinner I had. You know, we were already part of a group that helped people. Was your church already organized to do this kind of thing? And you just had to morph it a little bit, not just, but you had to morph it a little bit into now a more activist version of it. And a lot of them said, no, no, they hadn't been on Signal before. Someone told them, here's how you get on a Signal text chain. And suddenly they're at a chain with 60 people from their neighborhood or sometimes their church or their community or nearby. And they're coordinating who's going to be where at what time and who's going to bring medication that's needed to a certain person and who's going to pick it up. And I mean, really, that part was very, sort of inspiring, I've got to say. It made me wonder that all the talk about how we're depleting our social capital, we don't have the civic kind of virtues and community spirit we used to have. I don't know. I mean, this might be a, A, we might, I mean, there may be some truth to that, maybe. But we certainly saw a kind of revival of it or just a flourishing of it almost under very difficult circumstances in Minnesota that makes you somewhat heartening about the future, I think. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't know. Or maybe they're all full of shit. The sociology. I've always wondered about that. My friend Bob Putnam was a nice guy. I know he was a Harvard professor. He wrote that book. This was, what, 25, 30 years ago, Bowling Alone. It was like a Clinton era thing. In the old days, people bowled in leagues, unions mostly really. And that was kind of communal and civic. And now people just go bowling alone. And he had empirical data that these bowling leagues. No, there is real data. Well, wait, but what I'm going to say, but he had empirical data, these bowling leagues didn't exist. But I honestly, I don't go bowling much, but I think I was kind of coming back when our kids were in like, you know, preteen and teens. So we took them bowling here. So no one's bowling alone. I don't believe that at all. Actually, people were bowling with their friends. It wasn't a union. It wasn't the UAW, you know, you know, league that was showing up with teams every Thursday night. But it was a little bit fake. I always thought some of that atomization of society and your generation just had no, I don't know, never did things together. Is that really? I don't think it's true for my generation. I'm a little concerned about Gen Z. But I'm going to coach in a basketball league after this. We have a league still. No, well, McLean Little League is out of control in terms of active civic participation. A little too much from the parents sometimes. You know what I mean? But anyway, no, no. So it makes me, it is worth being a little skeptical about some of that stuff. Any last words on Minnesota? We should talk about a couple of news items. Yeah, that covers it. Greenland, well, it's really great. Speaking of doing things that are admirable and oppressive, Trump, whom we've criticized for acknowledging AID and cutting back on all kinds of humanitarian efforts abroad, now he's going to help the people of Greenland with the hospital ships. So that's good, right? This is the craziest thing. so here's the tweet that Trump sends last night working with the fantastic governor of Louisiana my state Jeff Landry we're going to send a great hospital boat to Greenland to take care of the many people who are sick and not being taken care of there it's on the way, President DJT and there's this AI slop picture of a hospital boat it doesn't seem to be true people of greenland haven't asked for a hospital ship the we have two hospital ships that have been used before in emergencies if you might remember it sandy for example the hurricane in new york where the hospitals were overflowing we brought the ships up you know to help people but both of those are in maintenance right now in alabama according to military experts online so those ships aren't the ones that are going um there's another story that maybe this is related which is there's an american soldier who got sick on a nuclear submarine that was traipsing around greenland which is maybe a problem of its own um and and ironically uh the dane uh you know that person was like put onto a danish ship like the danes helped you know provide assistance, even though we're menacing them, to the sick American troop. More details have to come on that. So it's unclear exactly what's happening. The whole thing, though, is just I do wonder when the people – hopefully some of my fellow Louisianans eventually get really tired and upset of this. I mean, even if it were true, there are plenty of people in Louisiana that need medical attention. This is the most anti-America first thing I could think. They're cutting services to hospitals here. They're cutting Medicaid. People in certain parts of the state have to drive really long distances to get various medical services. Why is the governor of Louisiana involved at all in this? Fake or real? I think it's fake, but even if it were real, that still is kind of an affront to the whole basic principle of what these guys claim they're for with America first, Louisiana first, et cetera. So I don't know. It's kind of with most things in the Trump era, like this dark comedy, but also pernicious at the same time. Now, you were struck by it. You texted me. Let's talk about it for a minute. I think I first thought it was so ridiculous that I didn't quite focus on the pernicious side of it. But it is pernicious. Now, it is perfect embodiment of sort of Trump and Trumpism, right? It's totally fake. So far as we know, no orders have been given to deploy either of these big Navy ships to Greenland. I'm not sure if the Danes didn't want them there and the Greenland didn't want them there, even what they would do except sit offshore. They have health care. There's a big hospital, it turns out, in Greenland, which is free because of Danish, the Danish health care system works and is used. And so it's both totally made up. It's gaslighting because, in fact, the Danes, being a good NATO ally, responded to a distress call from a submarine and took a U.S. sailor off that submarine and brought him to a hospital in either Denmark or Greenland. I'm not sure where he's being treated, apparently, as we do. NATO allies do this, you know, pretty routinely for each other. And that's good. So, again, it puts the light of the fact that we have some big problem with – that puts the light of the fact that we have some big problem with Denmark and Trump. maybe that's embarrassing to trump or something i don't know and then of course it's a way of just you know resuming the kind of aggressiveness i suppose towards towards greenland and and the disdain for denmark like they need a hospital i mean look these hospital ships are fantastic a great achievement to have in times of war or times of hurricane sandy but you know they'd be the first to say for routine health care they're hot you know they have hospitals and if they don't have of hospitals we can build. You know, it's not like they're used. They have universal health care. They also don't have that many people. I mean, there are fewer people in Greenland than there are in Louisiana. And, you know, there are fewer medical services needs. While we are having this, I just searched to see if there any breaking news on this The San Diego Union Tribune says it a San Diego Navy hospital ship that he sending the USNS Mercy So we're going to traverse the entire continent with a ship to send – that all costs us money. We're going to send these soldiers from San Diego, seamen rather, from San Diego to across the continent, the North Atlantic. And they're not going to treat anyone because I don't believe they're going to, are they going to dock? I mean, anyway, these ships, people in the military would know this much better than I, but they're set up mostly to take care of military emergencies, right? And they're excellent. They're really impressive. They take care of whoever's civilians or sailors who are wounded and so forth, and then they get them hopefully to a hospital. They're not set up for the kinds of things that the people of Greenland probably maybe could use, maybe not. I don't know how good health care they're getting. Maybe they could use more preventive checkups, you know. Maybe they could, right? I mean, that's kind of, right. If we wanted them to do that, you know what? We got plenty. We used to have AID, an organization that provided assistance to local healthcare and expertise to local healthcare facilities and practitioners. But of course, Doge destroyed that. So the whole thing is such a lie. It is so insane and such a waste of money, actually, and such a performative bullshit. I mean, does even MAGA think that's great? Hey, that's great. He sends a hospital ship from San Diego to Greenland. So, we can now listen to your podcast. you can accomplish with Shopify by your side? The only thing I could possibly think of is that some of them do think it's funny that we're flabbergasted about it. And it's just as simple as that. It's like a troll. But I don't know. The governor of Louisiana has a real job. We have real problems here. So I don't know. Eventually, the comedy and amusement of the trolling has to meet the reality of the type of governing that's happening in the country. We have a lot of problems here. It is amazing that Trump made the sitting governor of Louisiana, like put him in charge, quote, in charge of this, whatever. He has no authority over anything, once you make it clear. He can't order anyone to do anything in my, as far as I know, I assume the normal chain of command operates in terms of hospital ships and everything else. So, no, it's really, yeah, you're right. It is sort of both ludicrous, dark comedy, but also, I don't know. depressing and sort of menacing in a certain way, right? Yeah, right. This is the fourth anniversary of the all-out invasion of Ukraine by Putin, speaking of other things that are happening over in Europe. And, of course, Trump has cut back the aid to basically nothing over the last year. The Ukrainians are fighting on, though. Pretty amazing, huh? Yeah, I was talking to Michael Weiss about this on the Friday podcast. And, you know, it is amazing. And I have to force myself actively to keep paying attention to it, to keep reading about it, checking a key post, booking guests who know more about it than me, because there's just this Groundhog Day element to it. We've been through for many years now. I mean, the front lines have been pretty static, basically, for quite a while. We go through this period where it's like Trump's real estate buddy and Jared, and they pretend like they might have a deal. And then Trump pressures Zelensky to do it. And then, you know, he acts like he might be getting his peace prize. And then Putin backs down. And then Putin breaks the deal. But Trump sucks up to him anyway. And then Trump gets mad at Zelensky for some reason. You know what I mean? And then we just kind of go around and around the same cycle over and over again. Meanwhile, they're fighting and dying. Our aid for them is diminishing. And the winter has been really tough there this year. I think it's been the worst winter of the war. and um you know uh ukraine is is fighting back still and i was as is doing tit for tat going after russian energy um uh you know outposts uh within russia um and so you know that that that element of it is is nice and it's i think if you told people on this day four years ago that ukraine would have only given up whatever 18% of the country and that Zelensky would still be president and alive and that they would still be fighting on bravely and that they would have all this innovation of drones, military, you know, materiel that has helped them fight back. And it's an amazing story in that sense. It is amazing. And maybe to conclude on one of our favorite gripes, gripe isn't even the right word, but genuine horrifying aspects of the Trump here. This is an issue that Republicans were mobilized on, were vehement, were strong supporters of Ukraine mostly. Even by 2024, when Trump was against further aid, half basically the Republicans in Congress voted for Biden's final aid package. And it went through and was signed. And now it's crickets, right? Once every, I mean, a couple of people, mostly retiring ones, pop up and say we should be doing more. Lindsey Graham occasionally says it's really important to do some stuff here. and then he never actually does anything. I mean, I don't know. There's so many examples of congressional Republican cowardice and disgraceful behavior. It's hard to rank them. But since this is one where they were on record the other way and nothing has changed on the merits in terms of Putin and Ukraine, Europe is doing more actually to help. It's a particularly disgraceful, I would say in my view, case of total and thorough abdication of responsibility and even of decency by the congressional Republicans. Can I tell you, it is. The congressional Republicans are sick and pathetic, but you know who isn't? The American people still has some greatness in it. As we talk, the USA just scored an overtime goal to defeat Canada. Take that, snow Mexico. Just kidding, we love Canada. Take that, Canada. Anyway, that's what I got. We can still root for the USA, even though Trump is president. And it's a little conflict. But I thought actually the Olympics, just to close out, the Olympians who sort of, I thought spoke well about this, a couple of them, that, you know, they're proud to represent the country. But they're also wanted to say to the world that Trump's policies aren't the whole country, not even the majority of the country probably. And they're not sort of defending those. I thought that was very appropriate to say. MAGA was very upset by these. I agree with that. And I was blown away by the figure skater continued to be out. When I got home, I immediately made my daughter and her friend. She's having a sleepover. We watched it all together, Alyssa Liu. And her father was a dissident, a Chinese dissident fleeing China after... He was there at Tiananmen Square. Yeah, yeah. And that was something that gave us pride for a long time. And hopefully maybe that spirit can be reanimated a little bit. A good note to end on this Sunday. So you're doing the show tomorrow despite my... I'm doing the show without you tomorrow. And we have a lot to cover. We have a bunch we didn't get to on this show. I've got some terrible Sam Altman audio about, they'll give you some dark sense of where things are going on AI. Susan Rice getting bullied by Trump and Netflix, Iran, maybe some Israel talk, JVL. It's JVL. He's going to be dark on various things. So it's going to be good. We'll see everybody tomorrow. JVL tomorrow. It'll make the times I'm on look sunny. Sometimes I get these notes. You guys are kind of down today, But I think JBL will be a good contract. It sets the bar very high or low, whatever the metaphor is on that. Have a great show with JBL tomorrow. Everyone needs to watch that, obviously. Tim, thanks for joining me today. And thank you all for joining us on The Bulwark on Sunday. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping Sign up for your 1 euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl That's shopify.nl It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side