53: Ep 47 | Beyond the Veil: The Power of Past Life Healing with Kristine Ovsepian

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This is where divine insights are channeled and universal truths are revealed. So crank up your stereo and sit back because who knows? This just might help you compose the next transformative chapter of your soul's purpose. Are you ready? Let's go. Hi everyone and welcome to the Drop the Needle Podcast. I'm your host Jim Alls. And I'm so happy y'all decided to join us. Have you ever traveled somewhere that you've never been before and it seems eerily familiar to you? How about this? Are you someone who keeps repeating the same life mistakes over and over again? Like getting into relationships where the other person ends up behaving like the person you just ended the relationship with? Well, maybe it's because your soul hasn't picked up the lesson from a past life. Today's guest just might be able to shed some light on that for us. We have the distinct pleasure of having Ms. Christine Ocepian as our guest. Christine is a certified clinical hypnotherapist, holds a master's degree in psychology, she's an intuitive healer, and a best-selling author, pending both living through choice and wisdom unbounded. But there's still more. She's certified in past life regression therapy, NLP, which is neuro-linguistic programming, EFT, which is emotional freedom technique, and about 14 other specialties. Without further ado, welcome Christine. Thank you for having me, Jim. Well, thanks for being our guest today. I'm very excited about it, especially after, as a lot of people know, I do pre-show phone calls, and our phone call was outstanding. So I really am excited about this for everyone. So today, what we're going to do, we're going to delve into the area of past life regression, and specifically sole retrieval work. And with that is inner child work, it's kind of sprinkled in there as well. But I'm curious, can you tell everyone, well, tell everyone a little bit about yourself, and then let's have you describe what we're talking about when it relates to past life regression. Of course. And of course, I cannot start this journey of talking about myself without talking about how I got to this place, because the first question I always get asked from everybody is, how did you decide to do hypnotherapy? You did accounting for 10 years. I said, it wasn't until I was in such an awful place, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically. My health was deteriorating very rapidly, that I, even then, I didn't understand what it was. I know now that it was psychosomatic symptoms, that my emotional state was literally getting my body physically sick. So many people experienced this and don't even realize, and that too can truly be linked to past lives as well. And it's such a big topic past life regression, and not everybody believes in it, not everybody's open to it, because a lot of times I would get clients, they go, oh my god, that scares me. And I gently would just even ask clients, do you believe in past lives? And I hear more and more, like 16 years ago, when I first started, and I would ask clients, they would be like, I don't know, what is that? That kind of scares me, but as time has gone on, our consciousness has definitely shifted, and there's more and more people now that realize there's more to us than just this physical world, that's what we know, being human, and the human physical form. So my truly journey started that way as well, as I got so sick and tired, emotionally, mentally, I was just so drained, and my body was truly falling apart. I was at my doctor's office every week with a different symptom, and it got really bad that I truly, at a young age of 30, I was thinking, if I have to do this job for the next 30 years, I'd rather not be here, and that truly scared me as well, because I was not that I was suicidal or anything, but I was just like, if this is life, I don't want to be a part of it. Like, there has to be something more than this, right? So then, of course, to keep my story short, as I try to keep it short, but there's so many messages in there that are so important of me driving to work, crying in the car, and literally just praying to God, God, please save me from whatever this is, because I don't want to, I don't want to drop off my children at 6.30 in the morning, get a daycare and pick them up, like, you know, 6, 7 o'clock at night, that I want to be my children's lives. So I want to, you know, when my really, without realizing what I was doing, I was truly manifesting, because I was asking for four things. I want to do what I love, I want to be of service to people, I want to be free to choose my own time, what I do, how I do, and when I do it, and I want to be abundant doing it. So I, I didn't realize that, but none of those four layers said, you're not doing accounting anymore, and you're doing hypnotherapy. And at that time, when, you know, the market crashed and the layoff started happening, I was one of those people, and I just knew it was like, while it was so difficult to lose, the one thing that I knew for so long, I also knew I never wanted to go back to it. So having said that, I was just like on this mission of prayer, and surrender to God, and prayer and surrender to God, and at that time, I was still studying for the CPA exam, but one night I went to sleep, and it was just another night, and I had this profound dream, I was wearing a white coat, I had a golden badge with my name on it, and I looked from my feet up, which is really the process that we do with passive regression, whether we're going into past lives, or, you know, channeling future lifetimes, or the future in this lifetime, I literally processed that without even knowing that was a thing, right? That was a process. So I looked at myself and I said, oh my God, I know who I am. I remember who I am, actually, that was the message, and I woke up that morning, and I took my computer, and I, being born and raised in a Christian household, like hypnotherapy, hypnosis, therapy, all of it was taboo. So I just turned my computer, and I typed in hypnotherapy, and of course, the one school that is HMI, and was literally like within 10 miles from my home that's been around, it's the one accredited school in the nation that has been around for, I think, now over 50 some years, because it was like 40 some years when I was there. Really? Yeah, and I literally, at that point, I was in such surrender that there was nothing else that I would rather do than to catapult myself into something that I'm being guided to. So that's why for me, it was like, of course, if I'm praying, and I'm getting guidance, I better follow that guidance, and not dismiss it. So I didn't dismiss it. And so I went and I saw a therapist, and we did two or three sessions together, and suddenly it was like, my world was crystal clear. And I signed up for the school. I became a believer. I was like, if I could change that quickly. Oh my God, this is it. And from the moment I entered, you know, the school, and I started my masters in psychology, because I wanted to connect both science, and not that there's no science behind hypnotherapy, there's definitely science behind it, because it's the mind works, the way the mind works, whether it's hypnosis or psychology, it's to say the mind works the same way. And so I started both programs at the same time, and I still remember, I still remember, because my kids, I know, because I was on such a mission. I now even think it was a blur for me, but one thing I do remember is that my classmates and my teachers were truly making fun of me, because I would spend as many minutes and hours of the day that I possibly could in hypnotherapy school, because I would walk in there, and I was like, oh my God, I'm home. I'm finally home. I'm finally recognizing who I am and why my mind works so differently, because for me, from a childhood, metaphysics, my hands are very intuitive, and it's always the lineage comes from the mother's side. Yes. And my hands were so intuitive that I would literally hold a coffee cup, and that would literally just tell a person's past, present, and future. And I was fascinated with that, always, always. And I knew myself as a kid, there were many things that didn't make sense to me, whether it was about religion or whatever else. And I was just, I felt lost, but found at the same time, like deep inside, I just knew that was only love, and love is the only truth that there is, but the world around me was showing me a completely different story, right? Fiers, and worries, and limitations, and doubts, and all that stuff. So when I walked into that hypnotherapy school, and he was like, oh my God, I'm home. And that's what it felt like until funny enough, a year later, when we were graduating, I was given that golden badge with my name on it. So it's like in that dream, yes. And I still have the badge, I'll die to wear it, because my clients don't need me to wear it. That badge with my name on it, but that was given to me, and I was like, oh my God, I saw this badge a year ago in my dream, which is why I'm also such a believer, a believer of our dreams, truly giving us messages, giving us guidance. And we work through a lot of deep stuff, and our dreams, even when my clients have resistance in sessions, I give them a specific exercise that helps them to release their resistance as they sleep through their dreams. So it's just a beautiful, beautiful journey. That's why the moment I start talking, I can't stop talking, because it changed my life. So how can I not share this wisdom, this information, this guidance, these tools to change others' lives? It will be a crime not to. I know. Thank you. It's had such a profound impact on your life. So I completely understand as to why you get so energized when you talk about it. So there are a couple of things here, and you started to say, or you were telling us about how you got into it sort of. But was it due to a hypnotherapy session that you had, that you were like, oh, yeah, this is for me, that was it. So I found the school first, and then I hired a graduate from the school. So I was like, who else would know best? I mean, if I'm looking into the school, then I want to work with somebody that went to the school. And within three sessions, I really felt like a light bulb went off in my head. And funny enough that we're talking about past labor regression today because being from Christian born and raised, past labor regression was an additional certification program at our school. And I remember my soul was holding me into it. But my head was like, no, your Christian, that stuff doesn't exist. It wasn't life only. And I literally had to go and research and did research. And I found out Christ spoke of reincarnation. And it wasn't until from the mistaken 325 AD or something that they was taking that of the conversation. So, which is like, all right, I'm good to go now. And I went and I signed up and it was one of the best things that ever did. Because so much healing happens through past labor regression. That it just, it's so transformative. And my clients have had, you know, sessions with me, one passive regression that healed severe back pain. That was unexplained by, you know, the Western world. And severe headaches because we don't realize that certain things we bring from, there's even a lot of research and now done and proven that birth marks. And, yes, certain things we carry, moles we carry from our past lives to the present life. Because there's a wound there that needs to be addressed. But people don't really pay attention to it that way. They just think that, oh, it's just the birth mark. It's just the birth mark. But it's definitely yes, exactly. So we carry those from past lives and, you know, those kinds of mine whose, you know, headache went away and backache went away. It was because they were injured in a past life, in a war setting or in a fight setting. And they were harmed in that specific area of their life. And that's what caused the reoccurrence of that problem in this lifetime until they worked it out. Until they addressed that life. Yeah. I read that exact thing recently about the birth marks or specific marks on your body that aren't from scars necessarily, but are just unexplained. Why is that there? It is connected to a past life and typically a wound that causes the death. Whether that be on your neck or your head, some of that, and not to be gross or anything, sometimes if somebody has a birthmark on their face, it's where a gunshot or something went in or what have you. But anyway, there was something that I picked up on your website. By the way, that was very intriguing to me. And it's what is it called? Campbell? Campbell? Campbell? Yes. That was pretty interesting to me because I started to do a little research on it as far as what it's about. So you have a certification in that as well. Can you give everyone a very brief description because I do want to spend the bulk of our time in? Oh, I'm going to try my best to give a short version of it. Well, combo is used in the tribes as a hunting medicine because when you apply that medicine on obviously, you open gates. And I know this is the part where people go, what do you mean? You're going to burn my skin off, but it really is with a tiny little incense, you just basically very quickly tap on the skin where it kind of like bubbles up that just the first layer of your skin, there's no blood in there and nothing. As if you were to scrape your hand and that first layer of the skin comes off and you put the medicine on. It's such a powerful, beautiful because it's peptides. It's only one with the medicine is. Yeah, it's peptides. It comes from the jungle tree frog and I even have surprisingly, if I could find it here, one of my clients recently gave me a ring. Oh, I can't find it right now. I'm so beautiful. It's like literally that frog. It's the jungle tree frog and it's so beautiful. And I wear it every time I serve the medicine, but it's a detox medicine and it's peptides. And our body has peptides and the peptides kick in and your blood pressure goes up and your blood pressure goes down and through the process, there might be purging that happens and sometimes it also depends on how you apply the medicine to the gentle way, physical purging as well, emotional and physical. Yes, it depends also how you apply the medicine on. It could be if you do it more rapidly closer together. It would be, you know, there would be a physical purge that happens if you do it more gently and put the medicine at like seven minutes apart from each other because average five to seven minutes, you feel the movement of the energy and the medicine and it goes into your lymph nodes and it cleanses and it cleanses you, and successfully in a sense, seven generations back, seven generations forth. And my clients, although it's not a psychedelic medicine, what's so over it's perfectly legal in the States. Yes, it's perfectly legal in the States, but my clients oftentimes would feel like one of my clients, she would literally feel her ancestors present. Like when I was studying that medicine, it truly, it was beautiful to fill my grandmother's soul with me during that process. So there's a lot of like opening that happens because you're basically cleaning clutter and energetically, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually. Basically, what it does is because it's the hunter's medicine, it clears your mind. You have such crystal clarity. It sharpens your vision because it is used as a hunting medicine. And positive Lisa presses your appetite and even what you eat starts to change. Like if you had cravings of, you know, junk food before now, your body wants to eat more clean. So the detox happens. So if it doesn't happen physically, that you purge through the mouth, it happens, you know, the other way. So you release a lot of toxins from the body. And I've had so many of my clients like, pain go away. One of my clients report it back. And again, I'm not a doctor. This is not a cure. We always need to say that. But so many of my clients report it back like their thyroid balancing and the doctors being surprised how that happened because, you know, medication wasn't really helping them. So there's a lot of, and this is just my clients reporting back to me what they have experienced after it. So yeah. That's awesome. And thank you for sharing that. It was, as soon as I saw it, I was like, what's that? And then, you know, got a lot of Google, right? So I checked it out and was like, how are we need to talk about that a little bit? So then let's go ahead and pivot into the past life regression. So when you do the past life regression, is that initiated through hypnosis then, right? Can you maybe explain to people what they may feel? Because, you know, I think a lot of times people will see something that's on a sitcom or or something like that television show and people are working like ducks and things like that. Or for mango dancers or whatever. But can you maybe bring us through that a little bit? Absolutely. Well, speaking of that, I watched my brother do the funniest things when I was eight years old on stage hypnotized. So the hypnotist, yes, the hypnotist. So that's not hypnotherapy. There's no therapy involved. There's no healing involved. That's just for entertainment purposes. But the hypnotist knows exactly who to choose. They give them suggestions. So the suggestion was, you will cross your fingers. And in about five minutes, when I speak back or count you back, you will not be able to open up your fingers. And he went and shows the people that could not open up the fingers. And that's how the hypnotist knows how suggestible those people are. They don't go and randomly pick their subjects. They know who they're picking because they already gave you the suggestion. And they saw how easily hypnotizable you are. So it's just beautiful to watch. So I know sometimes people say, well, I'm not, I get this sometimes with my clients, especially my clients who are very left brain on logical. They're attorneys, they're doctors. They're like, well, Christine, you know, I'm not hypnotizable. But you know what? I'm here. We're having a great time talking. And I always tell them it's not about me. It's not about my ego. I'm not here to prove anything to you. Let's give it a shot. And they are. That's why I love my skeptical clients and my clients who don't believe in it much are the most surprised afterwards. And they go, okay, what just happened? How did that happen? What do you mean it's been 30 minutes? Like what was this share moving? Do you have a motor on this share? I get the funniest questions afterwards. Oh, wait, I was seeing colors. I saw vibrations. And I saw this vision. And I saw that vision. And I'm like, and in the past, yes, they can recall it. Yes, because hypnosis is such a natural state. We all go through it every single day before we fall asleep. And every what morning as we're waking up that half hour is a sweet space where your mind well, go into sleep and goes from beta mind, which majority of the people are basically stuck in the beta mind. And the beta mind is that angry feel fearful, frustrated, stressed, anxious, all of that. And what hypnosis does helps us exactly helps us do is it basically what it does is brings them from beta is 13 to 40 hertz. It brings your brain activity down just like if you're running and then you start relaxing and your heart rate goes from rapid to slow, it's basically what is happening in hypnosis is your brain and heart are synchronizing with one another. And this is what people don't understand. When they're stressed, when they're anxious, when they're angry, when they're whatever depressed, is because their brain is going 100 miles an hour and what does the heart do? The heart wants to synchronize with the brain. And so both of them go in together is what causes the anxiousness, the panic, the breathing, the loss of control, all of that. And but nobody explains to people that way, which is why I love podcasts. And I love working with my clients because I always explain what is happening in the moment they realize they realize a wait a minute, but maybe just maybe I have more control over this instead of letting my brain just to create havoc and kick us. Exactly. How about if I synchronize it with my heart? So that's really what truly hypnosis is, is bringing that activity down to a calm place of alpha and theta and in past level regression is really we're tapping into the theta brain wave because that's where basically all our wisdom is, past, present and future. We have access to all that information. And the only thing that is necessary is for us to just surrender, let go and trust in the process because the ego constantly wants to check in. Right? Is this safe? Am I safe? Do I need to pull us out of it? Do I need to do this? Do I need to? Because it's the guardian, right? It's the gatekeeper exactly. It's the gatekeeper. But anytime my clients are in tears and past level regression or laughing or joyful or feeling the love that's not acting. That's very natural. In that moment those emotions are showing us that that person is actually there is actually experiencing that. So emotions are a very big part of past level regression as well. So when somebody goes into this theta state or hypnotic state and let's say that you bring them to a past life and it was extremely painful. Do they relive the pain and actually feel it or are they observers? So that's when I tell my clients right in hypnosis I give them the option. I say you can either experience it in the body, watch it from above as an observer or watch it on a screen. And surprisingly majority of the time they don't opt out of being in the body. They want to experience it and heal it and process it in the body. And I've seen many situations like that where one of them, my client, was had a best friend that they were like inseparable in this lifetime. And she was curious as to why? Why do we have so much love for each other in this lifetime and they were both females? And as we regressed her and she went back into a lifetime during war where there were two males in that lifetime and they were in war. And at one point she started really being very distressed and she was like why is he on top of me? Is he trying to kill me? Why is he on his hands around his neck? And she was so distraught in that she's crying and she's trying to process and I could and gratefully oftentimes what could happen is that I can visually feel and see what is what my client situation is. And I already knew what the situation was. It was not a dangerous situation. Her friend there was not trying to kill her. She was not the enemy in that lifetime. And so I told her I said watch it from above because what I was seeing is not what she was seeing because she was in the body. What I was seeing was that she was wounded in the neck and she was bleeding because her artery and so her best friend was trying to stop the bleeding. And there's I mean in that chaotic painful situation you don't go oh my god. I'm like a doctor. I know exactly what to do. So the moment she witnessed that she just broke down and started crying and she was like oh my god he's trying to save my life. But while that lifetime was not saved they came back in this lifetime as two females and they're bond and their love for each other was just so profound and strong. He's like so amazing. That really is. I wasn't sure where you were going with that and then holy cow. It's like wow. So that's interesting. A couple of things that I picked up from that. Number one, that you were able to switch the point of view with your client right when it was happening that's I think that that is an important safety net or value. Absolutely. This is why it's so important not to do it alone because alone you need to have a guide so that if you get yourself in situations like this there's a guide to guide you through it. Right. And now you're getting stuck in that trauma and pulling yourself out of it, you know without processing. So people try to do hypnosis by themselves? One of my yes I have a story for you. Well it's hypnosis and all hypnosis is really self hypnosis is just when you do it with a professional and a guide. You have a 99.9% chance of processing healing, experiencing the healing and coming back versus I'm doing it by myself. I don't know what I'm doing. One of my clients, I'll tell you he called me and he was so terrified. And he said, I need to come and do past regression with you. And I said, what are your intentions behind it? I always ask my clients, why do you want to do past regression versus hypnosis? Because when I know what my clients needs are then I can truly guide them is past regression what you really need. Right. So then he tells me he's at the airport waiting for his flight that's delayed and he puts his thumbs on and he takes himself through a past regression recording from YouTube or whatever. Well, while he was successful, he wasn't so successful. While he went into a past life, there's no one there to guide him and he went into a lifetime that was not an easy lifetime. And he was terrified and he pulled himself out prematurely and he was stuck with that energy, that memory, that visual, that healing, that trauma. And he called me and he said, please save me from this. So he had to come in for us to rewrite what he experienced. Oh my goodness. He was like, I'll never do that again. I was like, yes, please don't. I bet. I bet. I sure wouldn't do it either. Absolutely. It's not it's not unless you're a professional that is, you know, I take myself through my past several questions. I can serve myself combo, right? I can do my own breath work. But when we're not we're not trained to know what to do when we go into an emotional place, it could it could it's not dangerous. I wouldn't say dangerous. It's just it can create some, you know, disturbance in your energy that doesn't need to be there. So just I would always tell my clients, we spend so much money on things that are irrelevant. Why when it comes to ourselves and that's a very big part of the healing I do with my clients is the self worth and the self love that will spend on everyone and everything else. But when it comes to us, we're like, well, I shouldn't spend that money to go and get the healing. Well, I shouldn't spend that money to go and do this. And that's who gets us in trouble. And we try to do everything by ourselves every I even say, healers need healers. I go to my people. To help me because we're not supposed to do it all by ourselves. Exactly. Yeah, you hear that with with therapists have therapists. Therapists absolutely. I've psychologists that come to me. It's like I trust that come to me. The other thing that I got from that story with your two clients that are best friends and soulmates essentially was that you could see what was going on. What do you mean? I love that question. I love how you catch these nuggets in between. Wow. When you're, although I don't like titles, so many of my clients were like, you're so intuitive. Like, how can you tell? Because in doing this work in the past 16 years, one wonderful thing has happened for me is year after year, day after day, week after week, month after month, this beautiful center opens more and more and more and more. And the more that you trust, the more it opens where you're able to, I'm able to with my clients like so much of the time when my clients are in hypnosis, they're in their recliner cover with their eyes, wearing their eye mask. I'm sitting right next to them doing sound bath. And because I'm in that close proximity to their energy, my eyes are closed because we don't want any of the distractions of the ego brain that sees and just kind of goes into analysis of, oh, the picture there or the word there. When my clients, I close my eyes closed and I go in to that intuitive, collective consciousness place where it would give my clients a visual or I would guide my clients a certain way and then they come out and they're like, that is crazy. I was over there. How did you know? I was just going to ask if you were there. Do you lead them or is that could, if somebody? Well, not leading, but guiding more so. Okay. Not leading would be more so. I'm telling them, but in guiding them, it opens up because I'm just going with my, my individuals, right? I'm taking them through the progressive and then within that progressive comes messages, other visions and other guidance and other clarity and so much of the time, even in passive regressions, I would feel my clients like spirit loved ones coming through. So there's just so many layers to it. It's so hard to explain and so many of my clients, they go, well, how did you see? How did you know? Like, I would have clients loved ones that crossed over that they would show me a certain piece of, let's say jewelry, right? And then this happened very recently with one of my clients from mom passed away three months and in one of our hypnotherapy sessions, her mom showed me the specific necklace. I described it to her and she said, I don't know, I never saw her with any piece like that. Three weeks ago, she found that piece when she was going through her mom's stuff. And the same day her aunt came over and her aunt said, oh my god, you found it. Before your mom crossed over, she said that piece was given to me by my mother-in-law. They know it was meant to be for someone else for her son's wife or something. And the mom said, no, this belongs to my daughter. But she never got the chance to give it to her daughter. She crossed over and her spirit showed me that, you know, she needs to wear this necklace. This is meant for her. And it was just beautiful. She literally sent me the picture and she was like, oh my god, when you told me I didn't believe it. But then she finds it a month later. And I'm the same day her aunt comes over and confirms that her mom said, I'm not giving this piece to that person. This belongs to my daughter. So from spirit around, the mom was trying to tell her that's for you. And my client found it. And now she wears it. Closer hard. It was like a mother-marry pendant. So, yeah. So I'm sure that that also brings her a lot of comfort and joy to her. Of course, of course. That's like a piece of her mom's energy. That she, yeah. So a lot of times it's just visions I get, internal visions, messages. And I always say we are all intuitive. We're all born intuitive. This is not a gift that, oh, I'm gifted. We're all gifted. And then I always remind my clients, the only difference is how much do we trust in our gifts? How much do we trust in ourselves? Because growing up, majority of us are told not to trust ourselves. Don't say that. Don't do that. That's embarrassing. You need to shut up. You need to be teaching and not heard. And exactly. Exactly. So we are raised to not trust ourselves. And so that trust leads to us not trusting our intuition. Can I tell you something? I was really on in my journey. I was under the impression that you, okay, this is going to make me sound naive, but I'm going to say it. I was under the impression that you almost had to have a near death experience to have all of these gifts open up because the people that I met with that have these incredible gifts, all had that common thread. That's right. Yeah, where they were like, well, you know, I was dead for two and a half minutes and and I was like, okay, well, I want that, but I don't want to die to do, you know, you know what I mean? So, not so late. I hear that more and more about intuition. It you don't have to die or nearly die in order for those gifts to open up because we already have them. And you said remembering before. So one of my friends had written a book called Remembering a Wake that was talking about remembering all of those gifts. Yeah, it's a fantastic book. Absolutely. And speaking of books, your two books, I wanted to maybe touch on those again, the Living Through Choice and Wisdom Unbounded. Now, I understand that Living Through Choice is book number one and then there's the follow-up, which is Wisdom Unbounded. Why don't you tell everyone what they may expect to gain from reading your books? Absolutely. But before I get into that, I want to roll back to what you just said about near-death experience. So I want to clear this up so people know that no, that is not the only way. Any trauma can trigger for our third eye to open wide. So, I don't even want to go into details, but the trauma doesn't even have to be severe, like being shot or being raped or any of that. It can be trauma from childhood, right? It can be just anything, can trigger for the third eye to open because that part of us is the true essence of who we are, safe, secure, protected, wise, guided, supported, loved. And so that kind of any trauma in life lead you to your truth. It kind of kicks you back into your truth. So I wanted to absolutely. Yeah, so it doesn't need to be near-death experience as I myself went through some couple of them when being born, yeah, my heart was beating one beat per minute. My mother tells me and they forced me into this world. I think my soul was like, oh, do I want to do this again? I don't know. But they forced me and I was like, okay, I made the contract. Let's go do this again. And then at 15 years old, I almost died because my appendix burst and I didn't want to go into surgery. Oh my goodness. At 30 some years old, I twice in my sleep. I literally was going towards the light. That's on all that everybody speaks of. And spirit really said, not your time, you still have a lot to do. And I jolted awake and I remember that time I was still married and my husband was like, who are you okay? And I was like, I was going to the light and I was shocked. He's like, oh, great. Now you want to leave me? Yes, and I know better now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so several times that I tried to exit. And over the years, I've done a lot of amazing work with psychedelic medicine. And I've had a lot of those moments. And I just, you know, I now understand what it is. It's not a New York death so much. It was more so ego transformation. I don't even like calling it ego death. But parts of our personality trade stories beliefs dying away. And it feels like parts of you are dying because they truly are dying. And you kind of like, can quickly or take a long time to process. Letting go of that version of you. For me now, it's like, let's go. Let's go. Let's go forward. Yeah, I'm not living my life at all in a way of, oh, let's take five years to do this. When my clients come to me and they're like, well, I think we're going to, you know, do this for the next two years from the process. The 20 years of trauma. I'm like, says who says what if we could do it in five sessions? What if we could do it in six sessions? What if we could do it in 10? Well, who says that we've has to take 10 years, right? It's what we tell ourselves. And I'm a believer of, come on, let's leap. Let's literally time by. Well, that's also a conventional therapy, though, too, right? Because it's almost designed to have that duration. Yes, because the more that you dwell on your problems, the longer it takes you. Yeah, just the more help you with need. And, you kind of like keeping your stock. Yeah, it is. And it's interesting that you said that which could be another conversation or podcast, by the way. But, um, so let's talk about my books. Yes, please. It's like we're reading each other's minds. Yes. Yes. So, I mean, my books are truly not only my journey, but my clients' journeys, because I do have examples of my clients' transformations within the book. But more so, the first book truly was my own awakening and realization that I do have a choice. Because majority of my life, I was told you don't have a choice. And I was told by my own mother that God wrote this on your forehead. And this is how it's going to be. And that's how it is. And I just thought, okay, I'm like a victim to my own life. And everything is happening to me versus everything is happening for me. And I have control over that. So, my first book was truly about that of going from that fearful place of, I'm limited. I don't have control to that loved place of, wait a minute, I do have a choice. I do have control over my destiny, over my life. And that's basically the message behind the first book. And then the second book is the, oh, wait. All that wisdom that we seek outside of ourselves is already within us. So, why am I constantly out there searching and seeking and chasing when all I have to do is just be? And remember that I am infinite wisdom, that all of that wisdom, I mean, there's so much studies and research now happening where, you know, we know water has wisdom. We know the ice that has been there for thousands of years on this planet has information within it. And they could take slices and really find information within that ice that becomes water that holds the wisdom of that information from thousands of years ago. We're 70% water. So does that not now mean that we are wise being ourselves because so much of the time we've been told throughout our lives, oh, we're just human. Now, we're spirit in the human experience. We're not human having a spiritual experience. And because of that, have we forgotten who we are, what we're about? Yes, we have forgotten because we were forced to forget, right? From systems to religious beliefs to whatever it may be. We've constantly been forced to not again trust ourselves. So the second book is really that. And for me, it was like even the journey through through COVID and as being stuck at home of me truly surviving that time by having the power of my inner world being childlike, playful, colorful, and I would literally travel in my sleep in my wake state while I was, you know, blessed. I was the busiest during COVID because everybody was awakening and going, oh my god, like, what do I do with this? Like, I hate my life. I hate my relationship. I hate my, but what the hell? Because we were stuck to face, yeah, absolutely to face what we weren't facing because, oh, I can just go to work and come home, I can tolerate my partner for now. What a distraction. Or I can tolerate my kids for now or I can tolerate. But now it was like, we're stuck together. Right. We're either going to, you know, destroy each other or we're going to whatever else the choice may be. So that was so busy. But at the same time when I wasn't busy helping clients and being of service to them, I truly was within myself because being a Gemini, I'm all about playful childlike. I love, I'm like the hummingbird. I'm like here and there and everywhere and I love travel and that was an option and one of the ways that truly hummingbird. I love my logo is the hummingbird. Yes, I, yeah, I noticed that. I noticed that. So, to me, even when I chose it like 15 plus years ago, I didn't even realize the meaning of it until I realized, oh my god, that's my spirit animal. That's how I am. That's how my energy runs. Exactly. Happy, playful, like moving around. I get bored easily if I'm doing the same thing repetition, which is why I love what I do and mind you, accounting is repetition. And my world now is all about every client brings a different, yes, do play a different, no offense to any accountant. Yes, I know. My best friend is an accountant and she loves it. It's, you know, it's not for everybody and it wasn't for me. I'm not a person behind a computer. I'm this. I love this interaction. I love connecting with my love. Hearing my client's stories, I love focusing on, okay, I hear your story, but what's beyond this? The focus of my sessions with my clients are never about where dwelling on what didn't work. My focus is always, I hear the story, what's the solution? I hear the story, what's, how do we shift this? I hear the story, how do we change this? And my books have that kind of message in there as well. And also, one of the reasons why I wrote both my books was because so many people. And I know there's thousands of self-help books out there, but I just felt like I was yet another voice to help people because also many of self-help books are just like, okay, do this exercise and that exercise and my clients will come to me and be like, okay, I'm so sick of doing these exercises, nothing has changed. So truly, the core of my books are the message of you need to put in the work. Number one, right. You need to give to yourself. Number two, you need to value your healing. Number three. And really, you need to tap into your subconscious to make these changes because you can do all these exercises on a conscious level over and over and over and over and over and really nothing will change until you tap into your hard drive because no computers change information changes if you don't change it from the hard drive. You can delete all the desktop stuff, which is what people are usually doing. And then the moment that trigger comes, they are triggered again. They're in a childish triggered again. And they go this spiral into the into the dark hole. Why? Because subconsciously that inner child is not healed. Yeah, consciously. You're like, okay, I'm good. I'm great. You know, let's manifest all this because just like putting a cake on top of trash, right? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So again, I have so many other questions and comments and thoughts on some of the things you said, but we are limited on time. So we need to get to the musical questions. Are you okay with that? Yeah, absolutely. All right. So this is the part of the show when I get a chance to ask the guests some musical questions. And I truly believe that music is the tie that binds and each of us has a soundtrack that accompanies our life if you just take a moment to think about it. So are you ready? I am. Okay. So what was the first song that you fell in love with from the radio? From the radio. Well, funny enough, I was not born and raised in this country. So would you really listen to radio? It was all. Okay. Contracts are. Are you track? My dad had those and because I was born and raised in a communist country. So all of that stuff, my dad had to bring Framiron and he was a big fan. And so one of the one of the songs that I've always loved. And the singer, I think is Jay Leno. I found them. Jay Leno. Oh my goodness. Now I'm drawing a blank. Imagine. Oh, John Lennon. John Lennon, thank you. I always go, Jay Leno. I'm like, no, Jay Leno is the funny guy. Yeah, yeah. The tonight show. John Lennon, imagine. Because to me, those lyrics and the other day, I don't know where I was randomly. That song started playing and I was like, oh my god. Like, this is the message. This is the message. It was true then. And it is true now of us truly like imagining a world. Oh, where there's more peace. Where there's more freedom. Where there's more joy. Where humanity understands that everything we're creating, it's first self-destructive. If we're creating negativity. And if we create love, then we spread that love. So do we not deserve that love to create it within ourselves? So we can create it in the world around us. So absolutely. So some of these questions may not be relevant for you. Like the road trip. Not, or would there be an eight track or something in the vehicle that you were driving? We would listen to Michael Jackson. We would listen to. Awesome. Yeah, like, BGs. And we wouldn't even understand the lyrics because we didn't speak English. Yeah, but I think it's about the melody and the frequency and the beats and everything. You start going. So did you sing along with them? As well. Well, we tried. But not any of the words. But whatever we could hear, but staying alive was one of my favorites. And it still is. For real. That's awesome. I love that. My kids, what I love is my kids who are now 18 and 20. Like, I raised them with genres from all across the board. They love Frank Sinatra as much as they love BGs. Yeah, build withers. And yeah, the Beatles and so you know Bill with us. Michael Jackson. Of course. Oh, my gosh. Of course. I love, I love that's that's why even me and like I can listen to current songs that are very meaningful and I can go back and even last night I was driving. And I listened to a 70s song and then I changed back to Bocelli. Oh, wow. Yeah, my my world is very expansive and there's a lot of different genres that I love. And I was even having that conversation with my daughter. I said lyrics are important. But what my energy connects with is the melody. Yes, the melody, the vibrations. Of course, as we know, vibrations heal us. Sound bowls heal us. Sound baths. You know, as you know, heals us our energy. So my body number one response. Not to the lyrics, but to the melody of the song. Fantastic. Yeah. So I'm going to skip along to a couple of other questions and then we'll wrap it up because of our time. Is there a song that gets your positive juices flowing? Right now. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Oh, my goodness. This is from one of my amazing facilitators, Tony Moss. And he has two beautiful songs that I love to my core. One of them is called Joy. And the other one is called Grateful. Those are songs when I listen to. Yes. I listen to it in my car all the time. It's like unrepeat. Yes. Especially if like it's moody outside. It's cloudy because in LA we're so used to the sunshine. Right. And I put those songs and or happy day. Like these are the songs that I listen to because we also need to be extremely. I don't want to say careful, but open to recognizing that what we listen to, what is in the background from television to what we listen to in a lyrically music as the research that shows what aggravates the cancer cell and what truly shrinks the cancer cell. Like classical music and words and messages from a song that are joyful and happy and and field with love. All of those shrink a cancer cell. And while other music exactly. And that's what I tell people that nutrition is more than just what you eat. It's what you can well because you're talking about consuming things, right? So if you consume negativity on television or music or from what you read. Yeah. Don't be surprised if you're a negative no. I mean, why do we pray around the table before we eat, right? We say gratitude to the food you're actually putting love into that food and it becomes like soul food. Correct. It's not only prepared with love, it's eaten with love. Yes. With intention. That's exactly. Yeah. Okay, so this happens to be. I hate to say my favorite question because I made them all up. It's like, that's my favorite kid. You know, it's not. But this is so sometimes there are songs that you hear that ring so true that they can stop you in your tracks. And this one's lyrics sound like they were written specifically for you or by you. What's that song? Oh goodness. Written for me or by me, I would honestly stick to the songs that I told you because it's where I am in my life. Just joyful and grateful for life. Uh-huh. And every day truly, so it is the combination of songs. Why did I know that? Why did I know that? It's the combination of the songs that you know, a reminder that, you know, can we imagine a bigger, brighter, and more beautiful, loving life future. And can we just, you know, every day live life being joyful and grateful for everything. Like every morning I wake up and I see the light out and I say thank you. Thank you, you know, thank you God that I woke up to a peaceful morning, which a lot of people don't have right now. No, you're 100% right and it is a fantastic practice to adhere to and to really have in your your day. Yeah, you know, to do it. Very true. I tried to book and it doing it in the morning and in the evening and you know, that sort of thing. Absolutely. One thing that I want to, I want to do before I close this out here is I know that you, some of the things that you've mentioned are in person. Do you do these virtually? Do you do them via Zoom to the same effect as everything else? Absolutely. More so that journey started from COVID and now with my clients who are in LA that two-minute drive in the last two, 45 minutes together. Seven-by-clients. I mean, I have clients globally. Obviously, they can't be here. I have clients in Hong Kong. I have clients in Vienna. So with them, obviously, we do Zoom and with my client who don't feel like they want to be in traffic or fighting with the people on their own. Yeah, I get it. So nothing changes. Yeah, we do the talk part together. We do the hypnotherapy. We can do breath work. We can, yeah. Fantastic. I just wanted to make sure that I was making the assumption that that was the case, but I wanted to make sure that everybody else knew that. So I'm going to write that out. Yes, because energy does, I mean, with my clients even in different countries where we're thousands of miles away, I would do a hypnotherapy session and they would come out and tell me, oh, I felt this. How did you notice that? How did you put, like, bring my attention to my solar plexus? I was feeling so much energy there. Because energy does not have limitations, right? Which is why when we say even with reiki doing energy distance healing, yeah, we all have the power to do that. You just need to direct your intention to it, direct your attention to it. Where your attention goes, energy flows, right? That's right. That's right. It's just, it's a fact. We can't fight it. We can believe it or not, but it's still true. That is true. That's very accurate. Well, thank you for your time. Thank you for your answers and your openness and willingness to describe what it is that you do, who you are. And I do appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Jim, for having me. I love this. I love to have you on again. Believe me. Absolutely. Anytime. Excellent. Well, it's just about time to cue the music for today's episode. But don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe to the Drop the Needle Podcast to stay up to date on our latest episodes. I would also like to take a moment to thank everyone for tuning in today. And I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Drop the Needle Podcast. I would also like to thank our special guest, Christine of SEPIEN, for being on the show today. And you can get in touch with Christine by going to her website, which happens to be www.jernies. That's J-O-U-R-N-E-Y-S-T-O-H-E-A-L. So that's journeys to heal.com. Or do you have social media platforms as well that people can reach out? Absolutely. So I will make sure. Okay, perfect. I'll make sure to include those. So I invite you all to head on over to our show notes where there's going to be a link to the playlist from today's episode. There's also going to be the link to contact Christine to book a session. And I'll put her social media links on there as well. All right, my drop the Needle Posse like Billie Joel says from the highs to the lows to the end of our show. This is the end of our show. Until next time, this is Jim All-Stop wishing you infinite health and happiness and the perfect playlist for your life. Thank you again for being the best part of us. Catch you next time.